Good to see you host a video here Vince, can't wait to see more. I am super excited to see if you guys do anything with the Shapeoko 3 that has been hiding in the background. I have been eyeing what you did to yours over on the forums and hoping to start on mine soon.
@@dividingbyzerofpv6748 @DividingByZero FPV fill out the fixture plate RFQ form on saundersmachineworks.com (it's in the fixture plate drop down) and I'll get in touch if you're looking for a plate for your machine - I'm always designing plates for new machines and we'd be happy to add it to the product line :)
One thing that does strike me with these machines (since mine isn't rigid at all either) is that adaptive cuts have a habit of being absolutely terrible in metals. In regular mills they're great as they have the rigidity to pull off the full depth cuts and won't chatter with all the sudden changes in direction. However, these flimsy hobby machines just don't have that rigidity, I found that what happened was I would end up with almost the exact same depth of cut, a worse finish and a toolpath that was maybe 2x longer to run. If you're only going to be using 0.5mm of the endmill anyway, there's just no real benefit from the even chipload provided by adaptive strategies.
I agree, is’s difficult to call this “machining metals“. For my understanding this should be called „wood+“. A belt drive, frame and rails like this just can’t handle this. It’s not just the fact that you‘re using 5% of your tool length, the way you‘re cutting effects the wear of the endmill dramatically. I understand the concept and it might be something for schools or education in general, due to the “woaw-factor“ (the design is nicely executed), but not really something for actual prototyping in aluminium.. An “add“ like this could point this out a bit more. And the price: well, it’s a complete system with their software - same price for e.g. an ultimaker, seems somehow reasonable for me..
a y-axis force test? The details are really glossed over. for the scope of this video, I would have left it out. But now that I've seen it.. what exactly is going on there? using a scale to find the force until what? the belt slips? the stepper skips?
I bet that if you give this man a spoon and a car-window servo he can still mill aluminum with a decent finish. Jeez! On the other side, congrats Vince on the vid! I reckon it's a bit weird seeing yourself on the other side of the camera. You did great man, keep it up! Can't wait to see more of these video's
@@ikbendusan Whatever, they are "presenting data", not "machining a t slot nut in real time". You can find plenty of video of these running in real time.
Interesting concept I built a Servo driven Mini CNC myself, it’s capable of machining aluminium, tool steel... it’s not a portal though. I’d appreciate your thoughts about a small VMC style machine like mine - you might enjoy watching it :)
$3,495.00 ($4808.72 Aud) - While i'm sure this would be good for schools where cost is not an issue (at least the schools around me which throw money around like it's nothing) the performance to cost seems far too unbalanced for the DIYer or the guy teaching his kids at home. Besides the lack of rigidity as pointed out in the video, the spindle power seems to lack, but given the belt drive I'd say that's a good thing. Also, at 2:45 the homing procedure looks pretty rough. is this product even using limit switches/proxy or does it just ram it home like the old floppy drives? Also, given this is basically advertising the machine to be sold, probably not a good idea to speed up the footage...would you buy a sports car if the only footage of the thing running was at like 5x speed?
I love your videos man. They are really awsome. Specially factory tours. I have watched most of them. Some of them like helical tools more than 3 times!!!😄 Please do a Gear manufacturing factory video if you can. There are lots of videos on gear cutting and inspection of them on youtube but your videos are the real deal. Liked, subscribed and I have enabled ring button and waiting for cool videos.👍👍👍
Great machine for an introduction to cnc with students in mind. For a high school this makes sense. Bigger machines (designed for production) are an order of magnitude more expensive to buy and repair. One crash on a $75,000 machining center could be the entire year's budget for some school's tech departments. That said, even for an occasional hobbyist, that is a lot of money for a tiny router. After tax that's over $30 per cubic inch of work envelope and for comparison, a Dremel has a 175W "spindle". My guess is 95% of hobbyists would be far more satisfied spending that money on a used manual machine with actual lead screws, 20× the spindle power and hopefully more than 2.4" of Z axis. But again, for a student? Perfect.
No kidding. You can get into something like a Millright MegaV which will give you plasma ket functionality as well as CNC router functionality with more Z axis and tons of work space on x/y.
I like Saunders and have watched his videos for years but I’ve just subscribed to Proven cut Pro and for the money I was really disappointed. Don’t get me wrong the idea and the concept is fantastic, but I feel like I’m paying for a beta version of a product that is nowhere near where it should be. Its lacking on the heavier machines (VMCs) and overall lacking in content. The format and information on each video is very good but just not enough. Same for the range and the depths of cuts. For example a simple material like acetal (Delerin) through spindle coolant?? That would be nice to have for a pro user, I completely understand that Saunders is basically making an encyclopaedia for machining but there’s just not enough on there at the moment to warrant the cost and when you’re charging people for a service that is below par I don’t believe that’s fair. I was looking last week for a 20mm 3 Flute carbide Endmill speeds and feeds for aluminium, 30mm depth of cut. Didn’t even have the tool and I’m pro subscriber 🤷🏻♂️
havent heard this router before. finally someone did china router with better parts and ask money for it lol.its 200% profit minium? lets drop that path pilot and use hobby version. how much that machine cost then. if it cost less than i allready build. i buy for it to just test is my machine better xD but i guess this looks like again next year it cut better same price or more. belt driven 125W spindle xD
To cut steel a poor person would buy a manual milling machine like a Brigeport or a clone, reliable and much larger work envelope too :) but no fancy toolpaths :(
I realize this was a video to show off the the new machine but, that was the most non efficient way to make a simple tee nut. I would have chosen a different part to showcase what that little guy could do.
Best thing to get if you need a mill, especially seeing it as a possible cnc converted mill in the future thats going to be really capable of heavy cuts, or at least heavier than a flimsy router
Ok I'll buy one ,if something goes wrong like I break an endmill or I crash the machine or it's too slow or I struggle with CAD ,I blame you .🙂 not for the reason that my wife and girlfriend think I'm cheating on them at all . Joking aside I got a bridgeport J1 knee mill slapped motors on only issue is the Z is as slow as cold molasses like 30inches a minute 750mm/min .
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This felt very much just like a Tormach ad. Didn't even say that the video was sped up, no mention of total machine time for the part.
Good to see you host a video here Vince, can't wait to see more. I am super excited to see if you guys do anything with the Shapeoko 3 that has been hiding in the background. I have been eyeing what you did to yours over on the forums and hoping to start on mine soon.
I just want the fixture plate for my 19x19 Mega V. My Tslot plate isnt bad but there is some room for emprovement in that area of my CNC router.
@@dividingbyzerofpv6748 @DividingByZero FPV fill out the fixture plate RFQ form on saundersmachineworks.com (it's in the fixture plate drop down) and I'll get in touch if you're looking for a plate for your machine - I'm always designing plates for new machines and we'd be happy to add it to the product line :)
@@alexpinson7759 thanks. Will look into it as a future upgrade path
One thing that does strike me with these machines (since mine isn't rigid at all either) is that adaptive cuts have a habit of being absolutely terrible in metals.
In regular mills they're great as they have the rigidity to pull off the full depth cuts and won't chatter with all the sudden changes in direction. However, these flimsy hobby machines just don't have that rigidity, I found that what happened was I would end up with almost the exact same depth of cut, a worse finish and a toolpath that was maybe 2x longer to run. If you're only going to be using 0.5mm of the endmill anyway, there's just no real benefit from the even chipload provided by adaptive strategies.
I agree, is’s difficult to call this “machining metals“. For my understanding this should be called „wood+“. A belt drive, frame and rails like this just can’t handle this. It’s not just the fact that you‘re using 5% of your tool length, the way you‘re cutting effects the wear of the endmill dramatically.
I understand the concept and it might be something for schools or education in general, due to the “woaw-factor“ (the design is nicely executed), but not really something for actual prototyping in aluminium.. An “add“ like this could point this out a bit more. And the price: well, it’s a complete system with their software - same price for e.g. an ultimaker, seems somehow reasonable for me..
How about dmc2 from sharrif dmc?
Yass Vince!! Nice job! Definitely looking forward to more hobby machine videos from you!
a y-axis force test? The details are really glossed over. for the scope of this video, I would have left it out. But now that I've seen it.. what exactly is going on there? using a scale to find the force until what? the belt slips? the stepper skips?
So happy to see Vince on the team. One of the best in getting top performance out of smaller cnc machines. Hi Vince !
What's going on with Johnny 5? Update please!
I bet that if you give this man a spoon and a car-window servo he can still mill aluminum with a decent finish. Jeez!
On the other side, congrats Vince on the vid! I reckon it's a bit weird seeing yourself on the other side of the camera. You did great man, keep it up! Can't wait to see more of these video's
> only showing 2x and 4x sped up footage so people think it's faster than it really is
More so you can actually see the machining strategy without having a video 5x longer than it should be. This is data, not a show.
@@OakwoodMachineWorks I would have liked to see the full job in one take
@@OakwoodMachineWorks it is data _presentation_ ; not data
@@ikbendusan Whatever, they are "presenting data", not "machining a t slot nut in real time". You can find plenty of video of these running in real time.
@@OakwoodMachineWorks i guess
Interesting concept
I built a Servo driven Mini CNC myself, it’s capable of machining aluminium, tool steel... it’s not a portal though. I’d appreciate your thoughts about a small VMC style machine like mine - you might enjoy watching it :)
$3,495.00 ($4808.72 Aud) - While i'm sure this would be good for schools where cost is not an issue (at least the schools around me which throw money around like it's nothing) the performance to cost seems far too unbalanced for the DIYer or the guy teaching his kids at home.
Besides the lack of rigidity as pointed out in the video, the spindle power seems to lack, but given the belt drive I'd say that's a good thing.
Also, at 2:45 the homing procedure looks pretty rough. is this product even using limit switches/proxy or does it just ram it home like the old floppy drives?
Also, given this is basically advertising the machine to be sold, probably not a good idea to speed up the footage...would you buy a sports car if the only footage of the thing running was at like 5x speed?
Where's Johnny?
That's what I would like to know. The whole reason I subbed to NYC CNC.
How many hours does it take to make a t nut?
I love your videos man. They are really awsome. Specially factory tours. I have watched most of them. Some of them like helical tools more than 3 times!!!😄
Please do a Gear manufacturing factory video if you can. There are lots of videos on gear cutting and inspection of them on youtube but your videos are the real deal.
Liked, subscribed and I have enabled ring button and waiting for cool videos.👍👍👍
My boi vince out here flexin on the tubes!
Great machine for an introduction to cnc with students in mind. For a high school this makes sense. Bigger machines (designed for production) are an order of magnitude more expensive to buy and repair. One crash on a $75,000 machining center could be the entire year's budget for some school's tech departments. That said, even for an occasional hobbyist, that is a lot of money for a tiny router. After tax that's over $30 per cubic inch of work envelope and for comparison, a Dremel has a 175W "spindle". My guess is 95% of hobbyists would be far more satisfied spending that money on a used manual machine with actual lead screws, 20× the spindle power and hopefully more than 2.4" of Z axis. But again, for a student? Perfect.
That's not milling... It's more like scraping. 🤦♂️
Thank you Mr. Fab. Great stuff
please do more videos like this - I enjoyed every bit of it!
The speeds and feeds are gold. Need to watch this again and take careful notes. I think these strategies can be applied to a 6040 machine easily.
Bantam tools had a FAQ for micro machining as well that I found useful for going down to 1/32 end mills.
... after being translated from gibberish to metric.
Could you make aluminum moulds for injection mould manufacture of small plastic parts? What sort of machine would be required for making steel moulds?
He did say chip proof right ? About the mouse and key board.
How well would the shapeoko and tormcah go without the fixture table on them?
at 3500$ I feel this is really expensive for what it's capable of doing. You can get halfway decent hobby machines at that price range already.
No kidding. You can get into something like a Millright MegaV which will give you plasma ket functionality as well as CNC router functionality with more Z axis and tons of work space on x/y.
Can it cut O1 or CRS steel?
That’s a great vid.
Is that a 3018 with a Gucci belt?
Sure looks like it doesn't it?
How long did it take to machine the t nut?
You forgot to mention the price, kind of an important part of any commercial.
lmao
3k plus
Awesome work!
Very good presentation and honest advise!
I like Saunders and have watched his videos for years but I’ve just subscribed to Proven cut Pro and for the money I was really disappointed. Don’t get me wrong the idea and the concept is fantastic, but I feel like I’m paying for a beta version of a product that is nowhere near where it should be.
Its lacking on the heavier machines (VMCs) and overall lacking in content. The format and information on each video is very good but just not enough. Same for the range and the depths of cuts.
For example a simple material like acetal (Delerin) through spindle coolant?? That would be nice to have for a pro user, I completely understand that Saunders is basically making an encyclopaedia for machining but there’s just not enough on there at the moment to warrant the cost and when you’re charging people for a service that is below par I don’t believe that’s fair. I was looking last week for a 20mm 3 Flute carbide Endmill speeds and feeds for aluminium, 30mm depth of cut. Didn’t even have the tool and I’m pro subscriber 🤷🏻♂️
I like this guy
Maybe a second channel for this stuff.
Yes, second channel for all theses new guys to do stuff. We want Jon
I am here soley for feeds/speeds insight. The expensive tiny little machine isn't my bag baby
Where's the Shapeoko recipes at?
Looks like grinding then milling.
havent heard this router before. finally someone did china router with better parts and ask money for it lol.its 200% profit minium? lets drop that path pilot and use hobby version. how much that machine cost then. if it cost less than i allready build. i buy for it to just test is my machine better xD but i guess this looks like again next year it cut better same price or more.
belt driven 125W spindle xD
rather get a sherline! 3000 for a machine with a belt drive and a weak spindle lol no thanks
Rafa Navarro as he said, class, and small kids.
Which machine with a similar price range, does a poor person buy to cut steal? Just found your channel
To cut steel a poor person would buy a manual milling machine like a Brigeport or a clone, reliable and much larger work envelope too :) but no fancy toolpaths :(
I realize this was a video to show off the the new machine but, that was the most non efficient way to make a simple tee nut. I would have chosen a different part to showcase what that little guy could do.
Just buy a used knee mill!
Best thing to get if you need a mill, especially seeing it as a possible cnc converted mill in the future thats going to be really capable of heavy cuts, or at least heavier than a flimsy router
Ok I'll buy one ,if something goes wrong like I break an endmill or I crash the machine or it's too slow or I struggle with CAD ,I blame you .🙂 not for the reason that my wife and girlfriend think I'm cheating on them at all .
Joking aside I got a bridgeport J1 knee mill slapped motors on only issue is the Z is as slow as cold molasses like 30inches a minute 750mm/min
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Funny to face an entire block to cut out a tiny part. It’s like using an entire tree to turn a toothpick...
I can proudly say that I've never had to use an E stop. I plan on keeping it that way.
At the start of the video you have the stock bed. and after 3;20 you have a Titan of CNC bed. hummm ;p
He definitely smonks
Feeds and speeds important.... if only more machinist did the math.
I think they are too expensive, save up and buy a mx1100 !
Fancy 3018 cnc
Nut upside down T
You're a candle in the darkness, want to be youtube friends?
What a piece of junk machine.
Meh. A belt drive, seriously?