Painting Tanks & Planes | Ep.14 | Tank Workshop Diaries | The Tank Museum
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ต.ค. 2020
- In this episode, Head of Collections Chris van Schaardenburg visits The Fleet Air Arm Museum and discusses the research, conservation techniques and science behind painting historic vehicles with The Fleet Air Arm Museum’s Curator David Morris. David is an expert in his field. His book ‘Corsair KD431: The Time Capsule Fighter’ details the painstaking work David and his team carried out on what is probably the most original WW2 Corsair in the world, including uncovering its original paint and markings! @NMRNPortsmouth
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That Corsair is beyond beautiful. It's like an old prize fighter, covered in scars, but you know that it could still kick your sorry @ss.
agree, it is a wonderful old aeroplane
My @ss is not sorry.
@@MothaLuva But it would be if it got kicked by those six 50cals!
Love the Corsair. Sadly we only have one airworthy example in NZ.
@@wideyxyz2271 Yeah, sure. Yawn.
That plane reconstruction looks crazy! Makes armor 'range-finds' restoration look like simple work.
Crazy thing is, some of them fly again. Now that is pure faith in your restoration abilities.
You can let most parts of a tank drop to the floor and nothing much happens ... but airplane "sheets" will get bent and damaged. They get their stability as a completed plane only, because most of them are held together by tension.
A lot of restoration jobs are really just replicas with a couple of original parts in them. It borders on false advertising to say something almost entirely rebuilt with new materials is actually "restored" yet that's what so many so-called restored vehicles are.
@@irisheyes9634 You're running into a Theseus' Ship situation there.
@@T33K3SS3LCH3N Lol, true.
That was a nice surprise!
Three great airplanes!
I didn't know there weren't any Barracudas left... I wish them all the best with that project!
8:17 a rather unusual colour scheme on that Martlet... Unless the lighting and the camera trick us.
(9:20 he does say dark and light green! So it is an unusual scheme after all.)
Thank you for taking us to the Fleet Air Arm Museum!
The aircraft was destined for delivery to the French and carries the camouflage intended for them. When the aircraft was diverted to RN after the fall of France, it retained its original colours but acquired British markings.
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Thank you. It is indeed a G-36A, as I've found out, but the colour scheme remains strange.
The French were using different camouflage colours...
According to one source on the internet this scheme is "what appears to be a very vague approximation of the Fleet Air Arm’s Temperate Sea Scheme" done at Grumman before delivery.
That Corsair is amazing.
It was a good move to work on that paint, where it was luckily just painted over without preparing for a repaint,
and uncover the real feel of the plane by the people working it back in time.
Huge dedication and commitment to rigorous analysis. An exemplar of responsible museum practice. Thank you Chris and the team for showing us some of the FAA Museum story and its relevance to the Tank Museum.
I so admire the guys who do these restorations from some crashed bits. Absolutely amazing.
I greatly admire Messrs. van Schaardenburg's and Morris's diligence, patience, devotion, intelligence, and skill in doing what they do to preserve and present these weapons of war. Their admirable efforts make an immense contribution to our understanding of World War II, the greatest conflict in history by any measure.
I wish my parents were alive. They were both in the FAA, my dad was an a/b engine mechanic and my mum was a leading WREN airframe mechanic. They worked on Stringbags, Seafires, Proctors, Avengers, barracudas etc at Worthy Down and Macrahanish amongst other places. My dad then became a technician in Imperial College In S. Ken. He used to regale us W stories about how he saw Joe Louis fight an exhibition bout (he hired a GI uniform for a quid because it was American only), watched Gene Krupa and got a set of sticks from him etc... My mum was blown twenty yards by a V1 at the top of Warple Road SW20 coming home on leave. She also worked for the WO for Jasper Mascalin the magician who disguised factories. My dad did his apprenticing at Short Bros on the Medway building Sunderland ally panels.
FYI.....there is a great book documenting the restoration of the featured Corsair titled, Corsair KD431: Preserving The Time Capsule Fighter
David Morris (Author)
Honestly I was looking for news on the tanks but I find it very welcome to see the three airplanes! Regarding the Barracuda completely in small pieces will take a long time to put it together, definitely not my cup of tea but I'm sure the very experienced staff will manage! Thanks for sharing 👍👍👍
Absolutely fantastic video especially with the Corsair. I was staying locally at a place where coincidentally the Chirf Test Pilot for the Apache was staying and we were joined by an old boy who it transpired was down to go to Yeovilton because he was the pilot of that very Corsair. He had some very interesting stories to tell, including the fact that he had also flown the Fairey Firefly at Duxford. These videos are so informative and showcase the hard work of the museums too. Well done.
Great to see my two favourite museums cooperating! 😊
My step-grandfather flew Corsairs for the FAA in WW2, it is great to see what one would have actually looked like in the flesh and not an old photo.
If I was any good as an aircraft modeller, that Corsair would be brilliant reference material for weathering.
My thoughts exactly!
Make your models as big as you can ... because that will make painting them easier. Using metal is also different from plastic, because scratching the two types of materials works differently.
Dave Morris is so knowledgeable.
This is an outstanding video! Thank you Chris, and thanks to the guys from Yeovilton.
that corsair, just amazing.
What a brilliant video. I've been to the FAA museum on a couple of occasions with my wife and children. A wonderful museum and the Corsair was always my personal favourite. I built a Revell 1/32 scale model as a young lad, I loved the aircraft!
Thank you for the extra work you do to preserve our history.
I had no idea of a surviving original painted Corsair and a green two tone Wildcat even existed.
I certainly hope in time that you can better prove what colors armor was painted and the shades used.
Amazing devotion to these artifacts. I hope future generations will hold dear what you have bequeathed to them.
That's one hella jigsaw puzzle! At least they have a photo to copy!
The F4U Corsair, also known as Whispering Death. A wonderfully capable warbird and to see it so well restored is great.
Whistling, not Whispering.
Another excellent video from the best museum in GB.
Absolutely amazing!
Great behind the scenes information, thanks for sharing. Charles
Great video a brilliant way to start the weekend
Fascinating! Many thanks.
Very interesting ! Good job in trying to get to the historical facts !!
impressive job on that corsair and grumman, well done
Weird that u should thank Grumman when they were designed and built by Vought (and Brewster!)
Thank you
It's great to see museum going to great lengths to find proper colors for artifacts. Too many museums still don't seem to care much (see some of Pima aircraft).
Whistling Death ☠️, such a formidable fighter bomber 👌🏻😎
Thanks.
Wow! The Barracuda is HUGE!
That StuG III G just looks fantastic.
Conservation and restoration, brothers in arms. I guess the difficult choice is when do you apply one over the other or both together.
Enjoyed this very much .used to go past sign on M5 for Fleet Airarm Museum a lot but wife would say keep driving.
I’d file for divorce.
Tempted.
God that Corsair looks incredible, the RAF roundels add an extra something which I can’t put my finger on. Looks far cooler than the USN/USMC markings
Not that it matters too much, but it was a Royal Navy Aircraft, not Royal Air Force.
The Royal Navy and Royal Air Force just have something legendary and almost mystical feel about them
I think it's the story of the stoic defending underdog coming back to win the war that just makes this roundel mystical
That Wildcat (aka "Martlet") is beautiful. So different from the standard USN look that we see in US museums.
This curator need to go to Bovington that's amazing how much he does to get the proper paint codes!! Just look at poor Matilda shes badly needed redo in the caunter scheme! The Matilda was never that colour I can assure you of that! Alot ofnus modelers have the original BSC paint codes for her!
If I were able to give you about 20 thumbs up, I would.
Excellent stuff.
I'm binge-watching the lot - was there no ep13 ?
this is incredible. All of these videos are good. How do you folks treat rust? What is your prep process + do you treat the rust?'
It's a better museum piece with the wear and tear visible, it gives a feel of the harsh reality of ww2
What material is used for the peel coat?
The Barristein! Sounds better than a Frankincudda? Hmm lol
will you return the M4A2 76 HVSS to its original paint scheme?
Am I watching the tank workshops channel or Baumgartner Restorations? Isolation layers, original paint it's got all the hallmarks.
I keep waiting for someone to walk in and start removing the faded and yellowed varnish How big a hot table would you need to get that corsair on
Anyone know what happened to Episode 13 ? Skipped due to being an unlucky number?
This is a very difficult 3D puzzle
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Having tanks / vehicles work again is a bit more important than having the right paint scheme ... but then, if the tank "breaks down" it simply stops and refuses to go on ... which is a bit different for a restored plane in the event someone tries to fly it again (which they SHOULD do).
Machines need to be used every once in a while or they simply break down by having moving parts in the engine "always on one side".
Niet naar Soesterberg?
I wonder how the Fleet air arm Corsairs did against Me 109's and FW 190's? I'm sure they clashed before.
Even if Corsairs did face ME-109 or FW190s, I doubt if there were any engagements. Corsairs were primarily a naval fighter used by the Fleet Air Arm in British service. Pretty sure the RAF didn't fly them - didn't need to, with having Spitfires and later in the war Typhoons and Tempests. Wikipedia says they didn't enter FAA service until Nov 1943. They did fly 'top cover' for raids against the Tirpitz in Norway but no air combat was required. By late war FAA carriers were deployed out to the Far East against the Japanese.
@@jjsmallpiece9234 Yes,I know about Fleet air arm and RAF. Yes most were on carriers in Pacific. I'm sure they did clash over the Channel ,just maybe not recorded but I'll do research on it to find out since I didn't get an answer .
@@jjsmallpiece9234 Ironically it was the FAA Martlets that met Me109s in 1945. Flying off escort carriers off Norway.
@@nighthawk8053 I would say its pretty unlikely that an engagement over the Channel wouldn't be recorded in a squadron diary somewhere. Guess you need to find out which FAA squadrons operated F4Us and when and where, to establish the likelihood of the FAA F4Us engaging German a/c. My guess is that they never did in Corsairs v Luftwaffe.
Martlet/Wildcats flown by the Fleet Air Arm were the first American built aircraft in British service to shoot down a German aircraft in World War 2 when two from No 804 squadron intercepted a Ju 88 over Scapa Flow on 25th December 1940. They also scored the FAA's last victory over German aircraft when planes from No 882 squadron shot down 4 Bf 109's over Norway on 26th March 1945. Corsairs provided fighter cover for Barracudas attacking the Battleship Tirpitz in Norway on April, July and August 1944, but there doesn't seem to be any record of them engaging German fighters. Most of their service with the FAA was in the Far East against the Japanese forces. It would be interesting to know if anyone knows different.
Where were the barracuda built any one ?
Check out Wikipedia, enter „Fairey Aviation Company“...
did any uk corsairs fight me 109's or fw' 190's or martlet/wildcat
These were naval aircraft carrier based, and thus more likely to have seen action against Japanese aircraft in the Pacific combat zone by the US Marine Corps and British Fleet Air Arm.
@@stephen9869 yes of course. but if the brits operated carriers in convoy duties in the atlantic they may have had some engaments... i cant find any obvious records or reports.
Wildcats and hellcats had interactions with German fighters but I can't find any Corsair encounters.
Is the corsair at the museum flight worthy?
I think it is considered too valuable as a time capsule to be restored to a flight worthy condition, especially given that there are a number of flying Corsairs around the world.
Who sponsored the jpanther ?? Just curious.
This channel should be bigger, it's a shame.
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Does The Fleet Air Arm Museum have a TH-cam channel? I really want one.
They do!
Thanks and military aircraft in one video don't need.much else.
You will find that the peel coat will be incredibly difficult after it has been in place a long time. Ask any kid in north america who tried it on their car :p
I think they probably looked into it and know much more about the product they used than you do.
Army vehicles get repainted all the time, as they go into differant environments they get repainted to match. I think it's called camouflage.
Great content, but slightly worried - have I missed episode 13, or is it just for reasons of superstition?
Episode 13 was up for a few days, but then they took it down for some reason...
@@ghoti221 Ah, fair enough. Thank you for the information.
You have to wonder if after all the agonizing over the paint job if they couldnt paint three other planes that need it in the mean time.
South East Asia Command SEAC, was referred to as Save England's Asian Colony's in US circles.
"Questions about the jagdpanther repainting" lol, yeah nobody had questions any it being inaccurate. They knew it was inaccurate.
I understand that it was a promotion -- the paint scheme was fictitious and was something people could buy in World of Tanks to support the museum -- but why did it have to be a fictional scheme? Couldn't have you painted it in a historically accurate factory camouflage pattern and then had people buy that in game? That's pretty much how it works with your Tiger 131 tie-in with WoT, and Tiger 131 is a wonderful example of an accurately restored vehicle kept in WWII configuration.
You also state that the vehicle was finished in 1945 (post-war) from an unfinished vehicle, and therefore you're not sure how it would have been painted. Well that's nonsense as we 100% know what the late-war factory schemes looked like since each factory applied the same pattern to their vehicles....so any Jagdpather build in that factory would have the defined scheme of the period.
In my opinion, the argument of "it was finished by REME so no wartime camouflage is correct" is like saying "well, we restored this tank wreck we found damaged on the firing range in 2018, so therefore a WWII camouflage would be incorrect; instead it should have modern camouflage". The Jadgpanther was completed by REME to German WWII standards for British trials, so therefore it is equivalent to a WWII end-of-war production vehicle and an equivalent wartime camouflage would make perfect sense.
I understand this sounds rather negative, but to be honest a lot of people were a little saddened by the repaint as it seemed like a missed opportunity to make another great accurate camouflage like you have on many of your other vehicles in the collection. We all appreciate the work you do in preserving and restoring these relics. I look forward to the repaint after the WoT promotion to this Jagdpanther will be up to the same standard.
Couldn't agree more. I am in support of this.
I fully agree with you.
Your argumentation is flawed and from a logical standpoint wrong. The wreck on the range at one point had an accurate paint job because it was at one point a normal tank. The Jagdpanther never had an accurate German army paint job because is never was a tank that served in the German army. It only ever had a REME paint job. You could paint it pink and it wouldn’t make a difference.
I fully agree to the point, that correct painting is important to tell the story of the individual vehicle. But that particular Jagdtiger - as you say - was an after-war build. If they hadn't even bothered to put any paint onto it, and it were delivered to Britain in brick-red primer paint, wouldn't then brick-red be the correct paint for that particular vehicle to really tell the true story?
In the Technikmuseum Sinsheim, there are two pieces in the exhibition, which I especially liked. One is a JU87 Stuka that was fetched from its wet grave in the Mediterranean. Unrestored. A total wreck, nearly unrecognisable. But it is what it is. The other one is a Panther, that was blown up by its crew for an unknown reason. Unrestored. Both wrecks were just cleaned from the mud and soil, and the remains were arranged in a proper three-dimensional order. Isn't _this_ the true story?
In my humble opinion, the Barracuda should be completely rebuilt from all new material. And next to it, there should be the pile of trash, that once was one. And a sign, saying *Thorough examination of this wreck helped us to build that live-scale model of a Barracuda. The original wreck stays untouched for future examination.*
@@bux834 my point is that it was built by the British to be an exact representation of a German vehicle. It was made of a partially finished vehicle using original parts and tooling in Germany and was built by Germans. How do we know the Germans didn't paint it either? There are plenty of restored vehicles that actually never served either; being undeployed or unfinished during wartime. You can't tell which ones for good reason. I see your point -- keep it original to the REME vehicle. But we don't know the history of the exact vehicle. We know the history of standard production vehicles though, and this REME one is supposed to represent that anyways...
WRIGHT NEXT TOO THE RECCE SCHOOL BUT NO WAGONS SUCH A SHAME STILL GOOD VIDS .
Subtitle Indonesia please 🙏
But if you peel of the paint you put on then that is history lost as well, in 200 years someone might wonder what the tank/plane looked like in 2020 and what kind of paint was used back then. Remember we are also living in history.
Where do the planes go because obviously your a tank museum
Der Anstrich des Jagdpanthers ist totaler Blödsinn.
Naja, die Linksfahrer haben nicht so den Spirit dafür und die BRvD würde es zur Zeit komplett versauen...ist wahrscheinlich das geringere Übel, wo es jetzt lagert und wie.
Resurrection of the Barracuda has the same excitement value as rebuilding a Whitley! Puhleeeze! The bloody thing had no redeeming values! Delusional. Because we think we can!