No nonsense Imran is intellectually deadly, May Allah increase him in beneficial knowledge and preserve assets such as him for the benefit of Islam. Ameen
He seems to have hatred in his heart or perhaps he wants to hold on to his falsehood so badly. He knows Islam is the truth but refuses to let go. He is old and could die at any time. May Allah guide him.
@shus5787 Frank is Allergic to the untainted TRUTH. Being Honest, sincere and having the Courage to Speak The TRUTH is NOT in the DNA of any Christian. All those Honest Christians with such attributes, no longer believe in any bible or go to any church. Most of them find answers and solace in the Masjids.
Thank you, Brother Imran, for your efforts to guide Frank. Unfortunately, he refused, just as his ancestor as mentioned in this verse - “ Or do you think that most of them hear or reason? They are not except like livestock. Rather, they are [even] more astray in [their] way. “ Quran 25 : 44
There are 2 problems with this... First he tries to make Islam wrong and second he wants to fix his bible... The audacity to come with a corruption and then try to prove someone else to be wrong not even standing on a his own foot.
@Shamarim Now you know that the Bible doesn't work that way. There is no Chain of narration for the Bible. No one knows who wrote the Bible. And even the Bible itself proves itself False.
@@Toronado2 Surah Al-Ma’idah (5:43-48): The Torah and Gospel are called sources of guidance and light. Surah Yunus (10:94): Muhammad is told to ask the People of the Book (Jews and Christians) if he has doubts. Surah Al-Baqarah (2:136): Muslims are told to believe in what was revealed to Moses, Jesus, and the prophets without making distinctions. If the Bible really had a questionable "chain of narration," why would Allah tell people to rely on those scriptures? And if they were corrupted, when exactly did that happen? By the 7th century, the Torah and Gospel were already widely spread and preserved by Jewish and Christian scribes. If they were changed, where’s the proof? Where are the “uncorrupted originals” from that time? Plus, if Muslims could preserve the Qur’an and Hadiths, why wouldn’t Allah preserve the Torah and Gospel too, especially since He directed people to use them? Saying they were corrupted before the Qur’an doesn’t make sense either, because the Qur’an itself says they were valid. So, the argument about the Bible having no "chain of narration" doesn’t really hold up, especially when your own Qur’an supports its legitimacy.
Frank can never wrap his head around the fact that a principle needs to be established first as the standard of measurement for both the Quran and the Bible, THEN both needs to be measured against that principle. Frank prefers to measure the Quran with some vague standard he made up, and prefers to assert that the Bible meets whatever standard he has. Frank thinks that gives weight to his argument against the Quran when it shows how unfair and unethical he is with his claims.
(Matthew 4:1) Jesus was tempted (James 1:13) God cannot be tempted (John 1:29) Jesus was seen (1 John 4:12) No man has ever seen God (Acts 2:22) Jesus was and is a man, sent by God (Numbers 23:19, Hosea 11:9) God is not a man (Hebrews 5:8-9) Jesus had to grow and learn (Isaiah 40:28) God doesn't ever need to learn (1 Corinthians 15: 3-4) Jesus Died (1 Timothy 1:17) God cannot die (Hebrews 5:7) Jesus needed salvation (Luke 1:37) God doesn't need salvation (John 4:6) Jesus grew weary (Isaiah 40:28) God cannot grow weary (Mark 4:38) Jesus slept (Psalm 121: 2-4) God doesn't sleep (John 5:19) Jesus wasn't all powerful (Isaiah 45: 5-7) God is all powerful (Mark 13:32) Jesus wasn't all knowing (Isaiah 46:9) God is all knowing Please re-read your scriptures properly Christians. And analyse the contradictions within. Jesus (peace and blessings be upon him) was a mighty messenger sent by God. The Messiah. Not God incarnate. BIBLE IS NOT FROM GOD The Bible was written hundred of years after Jesus by people who never met him of about more than 40 authors in different continents which we don't know their true biographies and we can't ascertain for sure if they were actually inspired by God. The Bible contains more of history than the word of God. The authenticity of the Bible as a word of God is fully doubted just like the actual authors are not well traced and bible keeps evolving! The word bible is not from God and Jesus didn't know any like bible. Christianity is a man-made religion & The origin of the word is not from God and God never ordained it. None of the Bible prophets was a Christian Not Even Jesus. The word CHRISTIAN was first uttered by pagans as a way of insult to the disciples of Jesus Christ (Acts 11:26). Christianity is based on worshipping Jesus Christ and Jesus never practised Christianity by worshipping himself. All biblical prophets were monotheist submitters of their wills to the Wills of God known in Arabic language as MUSLIM as Jesus also did in John 5:30 The Bible is not from God. It was written hundred of years after Jesus by people who never met him attributing it to him. Jesus Christ didn't know anything like the Bible in his entire life. The bible cannot guarantee you true salvation. True salvation is found only in Islam, the only true religion of God which Jesus practised! If you are to ask me, "do you believe in the Bible?" My reply will be "which bible"? 👉 The Syrian version of 61 books or 👉 The protestant version of 66 books or 👉 The Coptic version of 75 books or 👉 The Roman catholic version of 73 books or 👉 The Charismatic version of 76 books or 👉 The Ethiopic version of 81 books or 👉 The Orthodox Version of 86 books or 👉 The Greek orthodox of 78 books? You See clearly there's confusion and different Bible maybe revealed to different Jesus in different places for different groups of people. So which one is from God? There's completely addition and subtraction in the Bible. Even among christians, they differ in books and of course everything. I will not talk of KJV, RSV, NIV, Good News Bible, etc because these are a matter of CHOICES OF WORDS though still different in many verses as regards the evidence of Jeremiah 8:8 in a nutshell confirmed in the RSV by christian scholars affirming the Bible has many defects and mistakes, backed by Jehovah Witness in their awake magazine dated 8th September 1957 that there are more than 50,000 errors in the Bible. So the God of the Bible is an ignorant "God"! Many non-Muslims think that if the Qur'an is burnt, it will be lost. This is because none of the Christians in the history of Christianity has ever memorised the complete Bible and no Christian can even boast of memorising just the old testament or just the new testament completely, there's none; Infact, Muslims have even memorised the Bible more than the Christians themselves. If you burn the entire Qur'an in the world today, little children of 7 years will reproduce the exact Qur'an without adding a dot or reducing it because they have all memorised everything off hand; you may also wonder this because you do not even know the Arabic alphabet! The Qur'an is well preserved and it's a miracle of miracles! The Qur'an contains 114chapters and if you claim by lying that the Qur'an has different versions, then we challenge you in your entire life to show us two complete different Qur'an not having 114chapters each; don't frustrate here with different page covers, different reading styles and different printing press names or different riwayaat claiming to be different Qur'an.
😂 I had the same thought. If you have an iPhone you should be able to screenshot it, and go in your pictures, edit, and you should be able to press and hold to copy!
*Then I said, “Alas, Sovereign LORD! How completely you have deceived this people and Jerusalem by saying, ‘You will have peace,’ when the sword is at our throats!” [Jeremiah 4:10]* *You deceived me, LORD, and I was deceived; you overpowered me and prevailed. I am ridiculed all day long; everyone mocks me. [Jeremiah 20:7]*
1 Kings 22:22-23 And he replied, ‘I will go out and be a lying spirit in the mouths of all his prophets.’ ‘You will surely entice him and prevail,’ said the LORD. ‘Go and do it.’ / So you see, the LORD has put a lying spirit in the mouths of all these prophets of yours, and the LORD has pronounced disaster against you.”
New International Version For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness (2 Thessalonians 2:11-12)
I love the no nonsense Imran he is amazing mashallah May Allah SWT reward you all for your works and time you spend in the way of Allah SWT as we only do it for the sake of Allah SWT
Seriously Frank...First you say that God does not decieve...and now you want to read the passage to justify it ??? You either against God being deceitful or you will justify when he can !! Come on mate...you're either insincere or dumb as a box full of rocks !! You must be from Melbourne cause I've met Melbournians like yourself !!
Frank is, frankly speaking, totally DEBUNKED AND EMBARRASSED by Dr. Imran by showing Frank's gross ignorance of his own bible. May Allah preserve Dr. Imran and Bro Abbas, ameen!
You did well, brothers. This is an old Christian trope. More evidence: 1 Corinthians 3:19, NLT: "For the wisdom of this world is foolishness to God. As the Scriptures say, 'He traps the wise in the snare of their own cleverness.'" Matthew 10:16, “Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves. Be ye therefore wise as serpents and harmless as doves. Ezekiel 14:9 KJV, ““And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the LORD have deceived that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand upon him, and will destroy him from the midst of my people Israel.” The Biblical God As a Deceiver By Bassam Zawadi You won't hear enough of Christian missionaries arguing that the Qur'an describes Allah as plotting and deceiving. So I think it is only fair if we return them the favor and show how the God of the Bible is a deceiver, thus by the Christian missionary criteria the Biblical God is an immoral God and should not be worshipped. We read in... Jeremiah 4:10 Then I said, "Ah, Sovereign LORD, how completely you have deceived (nasha) this people and Jerusalem by saying, 'You will have peace,' when the sword is at our throats." The word for deceived here is nasha, which means... 1) to beguile, deceive a) (Niphal) to be beguiled b) (Hiphil) to beguile, deceive c) (Qal) utterly (infinitive) Source: www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/words/5/1144094423-2544.html John Gill states in his commentary... surely thou hast greatly deceived this people and Jerusalem: what the false prophets did, that God is said to do, because he suffered them to deceive the people; (John Gill, The New John Gill Exposition of the Entire Bible, Commentary on Jeremiah 4:10, Source) The New Bible commentary states... Jeremiah is not indifferent to the message, which he is called to preach. In v 10 a note is struck to which he will return in relation to himself (15:18). In his distress he accuses the Lord of having deceived the people, presumably by having allowed false prophets to convince them with a message of peace (cf. 6:13-14). The only reply is the Lord's own confirmation that judgment is sure. (New Bible Commentary) Even though it was really the false prophets who did the act of deception, the Bible is actually shifting the blame to God for actually allowing the false prophets to do the deception. This is what the "inspired" author Jeremiah said and this is what we got to accept. God deceived innocent people. It seemed that people were so bothered with Jeremiah's ascription of deception to God that they had to reword the sentence so that deception is ascribed to the false prophets instead. Ah, Lord God! surely thou hast greatly deceived this people The Targum paraphrases this verse thus: "And I said, Receive my supplication, O Lord God; for, behold, the false prophets deceive this people and the inhabitants of Jerusalem, saying, Ye shall have peace." The prophet could not reconcile this devastation of the country with the promises already made; and he appears to ask the question, Hast thou not then deceived this people in saying there shall be peace, i.e., prosperity? (Adam Clarke, The Adam Clarke Commentary, Commentary on Jeremiah 4:10, Source) We have it in... 1 Kings 22:20-22 20 And the LORD said, 'Who will entice Ahab into attacking Ramoth Gilead and going to his death there?' "One suggested this, and another that. 21 Finally, a spirit came forward, stood before the LORD and said, 'I will entice him.' 22 " 'By what means?' the LORD asked. " 'I will go out and be a lying spirit in the mouths of all his prophets,' he said. " 'You will succeed in enticing him,' said the LORD. 'Go and do it.' Here we see that the man said that he would resort to lying in order to entice Ahab and God supported the idea and told him to go ahead and do it! I personally have no moral objections to this since I believe God could at times use means of deception in order to ensure the greater good and to use deception against evil. However, Christians don't allow this when we talk about Allah deceiving evildoers in the Qur'an. These are double standards. We even have it in... Ezekiel 14:9-11 9 " 'And if the prophet is enticed to utter a prophecy, I the LORD have deceived that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand against him and destroy him from among my people Israel. They will bear their guilt-the prophet will be as guilty as the one who consults him. 11 Then the people of Israel will no longer stray from me, nor will they defile themselves anymore with all their sins. They will be my people, and I will be their God, declares the Sovereign LORD.' " God is punishing him for a crime that He enticed him to do in the first place? Isn't that entrapment? Another passage... Isaiah 37:6-7 Isaiah said to them, "Tell your master, 'This is what the LORD says: Do not be afraid of what you have heard-those words with which the underlings of the king of Assyria have blasphemed me. Listen! I am going to put a spirit in him so that when he hears a certain report, he will return to his own country, and there I will have him cut down with the sword.' God had that spirit spread a rumor so that the King of Assyria can to return to his homeland. In short, that spirit's purpose was for deception. Another example from the Bible... Isaiah 19:14 The LORD has poured into them a spirit of dizziness; they make Egypt stagger in all that she does, as a drunkard staggers around in his vomit. Here we see God deceiving people to the extent that they become absolutely foolish. Even though I don't believe the Gospels teach that Jesus taught he was God, however this example is for those who believe that Jesus is God. Jesus admits that he was speaking figuratively all this time... John 16:25 25"Though I have been speaking figuratively (paroimia), a time is coming when I will no longer use this kind of language but will tell you plainly about my Father. The word paroimia could mean... 1) a saying out of the usual course or deviating from the usual manner of speaking a) a current or trite saying, a proverb 2) any dark saying which shadows forth some didactic truth a) esp. a symbolic or figurative saying b) speech or discourse in which a thing is illustrated by the use of similes and comparisons c) an allegory 1) extended and elaborate metaphor Source: www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/words/3/1146511128-5176.html Why wasn't Jesus speaking in a normal and clear way all the time? Why did Jesus then go and say that he won't 'use this kind of language'? Well, here we find out why... Mark 4:10-12 10When he was alone, the Twelve and the others around him asked him about the parables. 11He told them, "The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables 12so that," 'they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!' So here we see that Jesus was deceiving certain people by speaking in parables so that they won't (and God forbid!) REPENT AND BE FORGIVEN! Also in... 2 Thessalonians 2:11 11For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie So God will delude people so that they can believe lies? Now Christians would argue back and ask us Muslims to understand the context and reasons why God did such a thing. However, when we tell Christians to do the same thing when it comes to analyzing certain Qur'anic verses they don't want to do it. So why should we Muslims? And FYI, this is an oft-repeated trope and it gets old when Christians excitedly repeat it. Please understand that in the Qur’an Satan is indeed the greatest Deceiver: “O men! surely the promise of Allah is true, therefore let not the life of this world deceive you, and let not the Arch-deceiver (Satan) deceive you respecting Allah.” Al-Fatir, v5 In the verse they often refer to (but probably never actually study the Qur’an itself, certainly not from a linguistic perspective, they will see that in Al-Anfal, v30, God explicitly uses the verb مكر “makara” in reference to the machinations of the Disbelievers, saying that He, all praise to Him, is indeed ahead of them, more aware and more cunning than them. This is indeed the same intent in Jeremiah, 4:10.
what a cluster of convoluted word salad mess, stop using a complete AI chat reel out like that, break things down into digestible paragraphs so that each part can be addressed.
@ it’s perfectly “digestible” and laid out. Why don’t you breath, gather yourself, take a moment, and work out your syntax and punctuation before you get so triggered and just spit nonsense.
@@WatcherDisciple I just gave you a taste of your own medicine, my friend. You attacked what I wrote and described it in unflattering terms, and I repaid the gesture regarding your syntax and punctuation, as your richly deserved fruit. If you can’t take the heat, stay out of the kitchen. Bye now.
@@AereForst fine lets play by your standards. To address the claim that the Bible describes God as a deceiver and respond to the notion that there’s no chain of narration in the Bible, let's start with the main accusation: that God Himself is depicted as a deceiver in various biblical passages. The examples provided-Jeremiah 4:10, 1 Kings 22:20-22, Ezekiel 14:9, Isaiah 37:6-7, and others-suggest that God is either directly involved in deception or allows it to happen for a specific purpose. Here’s a detailed Christian response: 1. The Wisdom of God and the Foolishness of the World First, we have to acknowledge that the Bible often portrays God's ways as far beyond human comprehension. In 1 Corinthians 3:19 (NLT), it states, "For the wisdom of this world is foolishness to God. As the Scriptures say, 'He traps the wise in the snare of their own cleverness.'" This highlights a fundamental truth in Scripture: what may appear as "deception" or "trickery" to us may actually be part of a larger, divine plan, and God’s wisdom, in contrast to human wisdom, can sometimes appear paradoxical. The "trapping" of the wise is not an act of malicious deceit, but rather a way to humble human pride. 2. The Complexity of God's Actions Now, let's address some of the key passages that seem to suggest that God is involved in deception. Jeremiah 4:10 In this passage, the prophet Jeremiah expresses distress, saying, “Ah, Sovereign LORD, how completely you have deceived this people and Jerusalem by saying, 'You will have peace,' when the sword is at our throats." It's important to recognize that the term "deceived" here reflects the prophet's emotional response to a situation where false prophets assured the people of peace, even though judgment was coming. Jeremiah accuses God of deceiving them, but this is an expression of his distress and frustration with the people’s rejection of the true message. God permitted the false prophets to deceive them because the people had already chosen to ignore His warnings. John Gill in his commentary points out that what God is doing here is allowing the false prophets to operate, but it's not God actively deceiving; it's God letting the people go the way they chose to go, in order to face the consequences. So, the deception here is not a contradiction of God’s nature but rather a consequence of human choices. 1 Kings 22:20-22 This is another passage often cited to argue that God is a deceiver. In 1 Kings 22, God allows a lying spirit to deceive King Ahab’s prophets, leading him to his destruction. It might sound like God is actively deceiving Ahab, but the context here is crucial. God is allowing a spirit to go and deceive the prophets because Ahab had already hardened his heart and was unwilling to listen to the true prophet (Micaiah). In a sense, God is giving Ahab over to his own desires, which results in his destruction. This is not God arbitrarily deceiving, but rather an act of judgment on a king who repeatedly rejected the truth. Ezekiel 14:9-11 This passage says, “If a prophet is deceived when he speaks a prophecy, I the LORD have deceived that prophet." Again, this is God allowing the prophet to be deceived as part of the judgment on Israel for their ongoing sin. The deception here is not presented as an evil act on God's part, but rather as a just consequence for people who have continually turned away from the truth. God allows the false prophets to deceive those who refuse to hear the truth. It’s about divine judgment-God using even the deception of false prophets to purify the people. Isaiah 37:6-7 Here, God sends a spirit to spread a rumor that causes the Assyrian king to return to his land. This is an example of God using an indirect means of influencing human action. Again, God isn’t lying or deceiving in the traditional sense, but He is orchestrating events so that His sovereign will is carried out, even using means that appear deceptive to us. 3. Parables and Deception in the Gospels Another point that’s often misunderstood is the use of parables by Jesus. Mark 4:10-12 reveals that Jesus spoke in parables to hide the truth from those who were not open to it. “So that, ‘they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!’” Jesus didn’t speak in parables to confuse or deceive people for malicious reasons but to reveal truth in a way that would only be understood by those whose hearts were open to Him. The idea here isn’t that Jesus was trying to trick people but that He was revealing truth in a manner that required faith and a willingness to seek understanding. 4. The Greater Purpose: God’s Sovereignty and Justice Now, to the bigger picture: why does God allow or use deception at times? It's not about God being a "deceiver" in the sense that humans lie or cheat. Rather, it's about God's sovereignty and justice. In 2 Thessalonians 2:11, we read, "For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie." This is a judgment on those who reject the truth. When people persist in rejecting God’s truth, He may allow them to believe lies as a form of judgment. Again, this isn’t God being immoral but fulfilling His justice. 5. The Double Standard Argument Finally, when comparing these actions with the concept of Allah’s "deception" in the Qur'an, it’s important to note that both faiths describe God using means of judgment and justice that may seem harsh from a human perspective but are ultimately part of a larger divine plan. In Islam, Satan is described as the "great deceiver" in Al-Fatir 35:5, and while God is described as being "cunning" in Al-Anfal 8:30, it’s about His supreme knowledge and ability to outwit those who oppose His will. Conclusion: Understanding Divine Deception In summary, the "deception" in these passages is not about God acting immorally or in a deceitful way like humans might, but rather about God using judgment and allowing individuals to experience the consequences of their choices. God is sovereign, and His actions in these instances are part of His divine will to bring about justice and fulfill His plan. The passages you cited don’t paint God as a deceiver in the way it’s often implied, but rather show how God can use seemingly deceptive means to execute judgment or fulfill His purposes, ultimately bringing good out of what may initially seem like evil. When it comes to the Bible’s chain of narration, while it’s true that the Bible doesn’t have a "chain of narration" in the same sense as the Hadith in Islam, it still contains a rich history of preserved texts through various manuscripts, translations, and testimonies. These texts were passed down and carefully preserved over millennia, much like the Qur'an, with historical context, authenticity, and preservation being key themes in Christian scholarship. This response tackles the argument thoroughly, giving insight into how these passages are understood in Christian theology, and addressing the underlying claims about the morality of God in a clear and thoughtful manner.
2 Thessalonians 2:11 11 "So God will cause them to be greatly deceived, and they will believe these lies. 11 And since they're so obsessed with evil, God rubs their noses in it - gives them what they want."
An engineer who spent years studying, can’t answer a clear question! Rather, tries to find excuses why God deceives but what he doesn’t realize is that him trying to find excuses goes against his first answer: GOD DOES NOT DECEIVE! Poor Frank!
Claiming God became Man Only to Die is One of Greatest Lies and Deceptions imaginable Those who claim it , have been deceived because God does not love the deceivers , sinful liars , their sin being their lying, their deception
Ezekiel 14.9 "And if the prophet is DECEIVED and speaks a word, I am the Lord, I have DECEIVED that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand against him and destroy him from the midst of my people Israel." *To all haters if Islam, whoever has a glass house, do not throw stones at people!! *Christianity is weaker than the spider's web!!
Ezekiel 14:9 describes God allowing a false prophet to be deceived as part of His judgment against both the prophet and those who seek false guidance. Similar to 1 Kings 22, where God permits a lying spirit to influence Ahab’s prophets, this reflects God's sovereignty and justice in dealing with rebellion. In the New Testament, however, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are consistently presented as truthful, with no indication of them deceiving. Passages like Titus 1:2 and John 14:6 affirm God’s nature as completely aligned with truth, contrasting with these Old Testament examples of judgment through permitted deception.
@@WatcherDisciple For example, Luke 21.5.. forward, that generation and many generations died after him, 2000 years later, Jesus did not return, that false prophecy was not fulfilled!!
@Shamarim Luk 23:42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. Luk 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, TODAY shalt thou be with me in paradise. We both know that Jesus and the thief next to him went straight to Hades. Do you want others? Or is ONE sufficient?
In 1 Kings 22:19-23 (Old Testament), the prophet Micaiah recounts a vision in which God permits a "lying spirit" to influence King Ahab's prophets, leading Ahab to make a disastrous decision that results in his downfall. The text does not depict God as lying directly but as sovereignly allowing the spirit to act in alignment with His purpose of judgment on Ahab, who consistently rejected God's truth. In contrast, the New Testament emphasizes that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are entirely truthful and do not engage in deception. Key verses such as Titus 1:2 ("God, who cannot lie"), John 14:6 ("I am the way, the truth, and the life"), and John 16:13 (referring to the Holy Spirit as the "Spirit of truth") affirm this. This Old Testament account highlights God's justice and sovereignty, while the New Testament focuses on His nature as wholly truthful and faithful. Thus, while the New Testament does not describe any instance of God deceiving, the Old Testament shows God allowing deception for specific purposes of judgment within His broader plan.
you should let them go back and talk about "context" to show them how they are wrong. We do that as Muslims too. Go to context about verses in the Quran too
I don't get Frank's angle with the explanation. He's already agreed to the principle that God cannot/will not deceive anyone. But then his defense is basically, "yeah they were deceived by God"?
Only using the same old tactics, Christians when confronted with truth always go the Mary go around.They always change the goal post when cornered, proves the Holy Spirit is not living with them .
SubhaanAllah Brother, you handled Frank...FRANKLY he is in a corner and fought valiantly not to go there 😂😂😂 he knew he was against the ropes going down this path 🤣🤣🤣...I pray Frank that you accept that the Taurah and The Bible has been corrupted and therefore cant be used as a representatitive of the words of Allah 🤔🤔🤔
The least a human with the least of substance could do is be humble and live to fight another day instead Frank completely accepts that his arrogance is overwhelming unfortunately May Almighty God guide us all
God is light. In him there is no darkness. 1 John 5. In 1 Kings 22, God is revealing the exact truth to wicked King Ahab through his prophet. He reveals directly to Ahab that all the prophets predicting that he would be victorious are false. Of course God has allowed the false prophets because he is all powerful and sovereign. But God is showing through his true prophet Micaiah that if Ahab goes into battle he will be killed. In contrast in the Quran Allah says that he himself is the best of deceivers. Look up what mkr means in Arabic. Quran 3:54
@peterhwang352 So does your God say GO and DECEIVE? 1Ki 22:22 “ ‘By what means?' the LORD asked. “ ‘I will go out and be a deceiving spirit in the mouths of all his prophets,' he said. “ ‘You will succeed in enticing him,' said the LORD. ‘Go and do it.' 2Ch 18:21 “ ‘I will go and be a deceiving spirit in the mouths of all his prophets,' he said. “ ‘You will succeed in enticing him,' said the LORD. ‘Go and do it.' Who said GO and Do IT?
Actually frank has a point, that is did God deceive the jews and christians or the jesus' followers at the time of crucifixion? Because from a Quranic perspective it seems they all were deceived.
• The Christians may have been excused for their belief in the k__ill__ing and cruc___ifixion of the Messiah, before the sending of our Prophet Muhammad (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him). But after his sending (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) and the establishment of proof and miracles to confirm his truthfulness and Prophethood, there is no excuse for those against whom proof is established, and whom the message of Islam and the Quran have reached, for going against anything that the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) brought. • There is nothing in the Holy Quran or in the Prophet’s Sunnah to condemn the early Christians (i.e., before the sending of our Prophet Muhammad (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him)) as disbelievers because of their belief that the Messiah (peace be upon him) was k__ill__ed and cruc___ified. Rather Allah, may He be glorified and exalted, condemns them as disbelievers because they regarded the Messiah as a god, and because they regarded divinity as being three: Father, Son and Holy Spirit. • Allah Says: "Surely, they have disbelieved who say: ‘Allah is the Messiah (‘Eesa (Jesus)), son of Maryam (Mary).’ But the Messiah (‘Eesa (Jesus)) said: ‘O Children of Israel! Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord.’ Verily, whosoever sets up partners in worship with Allah, then Allah has forbidden Paradise for him, and the Fire will be his abode. And for the Zalimoon (polytheists and wrongdoers) there are no helpers. Surely, disbelievers are those who said: ‘Allah is the third of the three (in a Trinity).’ But there is no ilah (god) (none who has the right to be worshipped) but One Ilah (God -Allah). And if they cease not from what they say, verily, a painful torment will befall the disbelievers among them." (Quran 5:72-73]. • There is nothing in the Holy Quran that says: "surely they have disbelieved who say that the Messiah was k__ill__ed and cruc__ified"! The reason for that is that Allah caused another man to resemble ‘Eesa, and his enemies k__ill__ed him, thinking that he was the Messiah. Not one of the followers of the Messiah and his disciples was present in that place, so that they could be certain of the identity of the one who was cruc___ified, apart from some women who stood some way off, looking on. Then the news spread that the Messiah had been k__ill__ed and cruc___ified and buried, and many people believed that, even some of his followers, because they did not have knowledge to prove that false, and the Messiah - as he was a human being - could have been k__ill__ed, as the Je___ws had k__ill__ed other Prophets before him. That was the excuse of those who adopted this false belief. • It is natural that the Christians, by which we mean the early Christians, before the coming of our Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him), believed in the cruc___ifixion and k__ill__ing of ‘Eesa (peace be upon him). But after the sending of the Messenger (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) and the revelation of the Quran, and the definitive denial of the k__ill__ing and cruc___ifixion of the Messiah, whoever believes in the k__ill__ing and cruc___ifixion of the Messiah after that is a disbeliever, because he has rejected what Quran says, which definitive evidence and miracles have proven is the true word of Allah and not the words of any human being. • Whoever among the followers of the Messiah - before the Prophethood of our Prophet Muhammad (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) - believed in the Messiah as a Prophet and Messenger, not as a god or son of God, and followed his teachings, but mistakenly believed that he was k__ill__ed and cruc___ified, that person was a believer and a monotheist, and is excused for that mistaken belief. • If it is said that the disciples, or some of them, or many of the people of the Book, or most of them, used to believe that the Messiah himself was cruc___ified, they were mistaken in that, but this mistake was not something that would undermine their belief in the Messiah, if they believed in what he brought, and they are not inevitably do___omed to He___ll, because the Gospels that are in the hands of the People of the Book mentioned the cruc___ifixion of the Messiah. • But that excuse ceased with the coming of the true facts from the Lord of the Worlds, in His Book, that the matter was made to appear thus to the Je___ws, and that Allah, may He be glorified and exalted, did not give them power over the Prophet of Allah ‘Eesa in any real sense, and He did not enable them to k__ill him or cruc___ify him. As that is the case, there is no longer any excuse, once the true facts have come. • Allah, may He be glorified and exalted, did not send down any book before the Quran in which it was either affirmed or denied that the Messiah (peace be upon him) was cruc___ified; rather it was confirmed in the Quran that this never happened, thus is became required to reject the reports which said that he was cruc___ified. • Allah Says: "And because of their saying (in boast), ‘We killed Messiah ‘Eesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allah,’ - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but the resemblance of ‘Eesa (Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that man), and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed him not (i.e. ‘Eesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)). But Allah raised him (‘Eesa (Jesus)) up (with his body and soul) unto Himself (and he is in the heavens). And Allah is Ever AllPowerful, AllWise" (Quran 4:157-158).
@@tiladorigin bro, keep humble and do not lie... "But after his sending (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) and the establishment of proof and miracles to confirm his truthfulness and Prophethood, there is no excuse for those against whom proof is established, and whom the message of Islam and the Quran have reached, for going against anything that the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) brought." --- there is no such a thing as miracle of prophet muhammad. Quran actually confirms it (that God didn't give any miracle to prophet muhammad). A miracle is defined as extraordinary thing happened that people witness it.
@gondala I just want to point out the "de___ce___ive": • Your God made Jeremiah a Prophet before his birth: "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to the nations." (Jer.1.5). Then Jeremiah De___ce___ived by your God: "O LORD, You have deceived me, and I was deceived; you are stronger than I, and you have prevailed. I have become a laughingstock all the day; everyone mocks me." (Jer.20.7). • "Once again Jesus began to teach beside the sea, and such a large crowd gathered around Him ... And He taught them many things in parables ... As soon as Jesus was alone with the Twelve and those around Him, they asked Him about the parable. He replied, “The mystery of the kingdom of God has been given to you, but to those on the outside everything is expressed in parables, so that, ‘they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven.’”" (Mk.4.1-12). . The text proves that Jesus is a s___inner because he de___ce___ived the outsiders. . The verses prove that your god Jesus did not come to save s___inners, but rather he clearly said: "otherwise they might turn and be forgiven"! . Christians keep saying that Jesus d__i__ed on the cross for their sins but he is not sinless! So, the sacrifice is not perfect, because it must be a sinless sacrifice! Which means that your sin, O Christian, is still with you! =2=
@gondala Miracles! Let's talk about the miracles of your god, your lord, and your creator Jesus, and compare them to the miracles of God's prophets, like Elisha and Elijah: • Jesus fed 5,000 people with five loaves of bread and two fishes. The same was done by Elisha. He fed 100 people with twenty barley loaves and a few ears of corn: "And there came a man from Baalshalisha, and brought the man of God bread of the firstfruits, twenty loaves of barley, and full ears of corn in the husk thereof. And he said, Give unto the people, that they may eat. And his servitor said, What, should I set this before an hundred men? He said again, Give the people, that they may eat: for thus saith the LORD, They shall eat, and shall leave thereof. So he set it before them, and they did eat, and left thereof, according to the word of the LORD." (2 Kgs.4.42-44). • Jesus healed lepers. Also Elisha cured Naaman the leper: "So Naaman went down to ..... as the man of God had instructed him. And his skin became as healthy as the skin of a young child, and he was healed!" (2 Kgs.5.14). • Jesus caused the blind to see. Elisha caused the blind to see: "And Elisha prayed, and said, LORD, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the LORD opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw ....." (2 Kgs.6.17). • Jesus raised the dead. Elijah did the same: "And the LORD heard the voice of Elijah; and the soul of the child came into him again, and he revived." (1 Kgs.17.22). • Jesus walked on water. Moses and his people crossed the sea: "And Moses stretched out his hand over the sea ..... And the children of Israel went into the midst of the sea upon the dry ground: and the waters were a wall unto them on their right hand, and on their left." (Ex.14.21-22). • Turning water into wine: "Jesus said to the servants, “Fill the jars with water”; so they filled them to the brim. Then he told them, “Now draw some out and take it to the master of the banquet.” They did so, and the master of the banquet tasted the water that had been turned into wine. He did not realize where it had come from, though the servants who had drawn the water knew ..... What Jesus did here in Cana of Galilee was the first of the signs ....." (Jn.2.7-11). As to the "miracle of turning water into wine", it is found only in the Gospel of John, which consistently contradicts the other three Gospels (Matthew, Mark and Luke). The Gospel of John was opposed as heretical in the early Church, while the other three Gospels were referred to as the Synoptic Gospels, because the texts contained a similar treatment of Jesus’ life. Consequently, New Testament scholars have expressed doubt about the authenticity of this incident. =3=
Islam is your only salvation and Issa will testify to this upon his return and will bare witness that he never claimed to be God or the son of God or the holy spirit or Santa Claus. Stop embarrassing yourself and turn to Allah now as Issa did and all the prophets before it's too late and stop wasting your life being ignorant.
"Eng Fellow" is not an honest engineer. Engineers take all data "without" the "feelings" attached to it, crunch the data, then spit out the best outcome for all; Minimal risk to life and the best outcome for all humanity.
Look at look at now people how everything is changing now assalamualaikum brother look at his name eng fellow he is an angry fella what's he got to say now people look at him and go to verse 23 to people and read what it says there put a hypocrite man
Allah is best of deceivers but when Frank wanted to explain the verse to the deceiving doctor in context,the deceiving doctor said he's not worried about context,after Fank read the verse in context,the deceiving doctor denies what context says,this is the insincerety of the muslims!! The deceiving doctor wanted Frank to agree on a principal by means of being deceitful!!
You can read from the start of the earth till the end of earth still book of gossips are rubbish. Fantasy much from drunkard authors which you don't know. Maybe your great great grandfather wrote it as bedtime story 🤣🤣🤣
Frank is so un-Frank that, frankly, it's unfortunate how insincerely frank he is. In fact, Frank's so-called frankness falters further when Frank resorts to mental gymnastics to defend his Bible-twisting and turning to justify its nuances-yet Frank refuses to extend the same intellectual flexibility when challenging the Qur'aan. It's as though Frank has constructed a fortress of double standards and ironically named it "Frankness." The End.
Frank is the human manifestation of the words ''disingenuous'', ''insincere'' and ''hypocritical''. The first 3 minutes alone he couldn't answer a straight-forward question without Imran squeezing the answer out of him. I hope Frank watches this video and sees himself through the viewer's eyes. It's not a good look for him or Christianity. Honestly a waste of time watching him.
@Toronado2 I'm still waiting on historical EVIDENCE, testimonies from historians etc that says Jesus was not crucified.👇🏼 Then we have another Verse in the Bible that is Said by Jesus' that prove that Jesus did NOT DIE. Jhn 12:23 And Jesus answered them, saying, The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified. Jhn 12:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and DIE, it abideth alone: but IF IT DIE, it bringeth forth much fruit. Now EVERYONE Knows that when a SEED is Planted that is Alive, It DOESN'T actually DIE! If it actually DIED it can NOT bring forth ANY "FRUIT"! What happens though is that it is "Born Again" but doesn't ACTUALLY DIE. So if Jesus the True MESSIAH said these words then He is NOT talking about a NATURAL DEATH or RESURRECTION! He is talking about a Burial without really DYING and NOT a Resurrection BUT a REGENERATION from ABOVE, Just like a SEED that stays dormant for years and then becomes Regenerated to become Born Again! SO the "DYING" that is Spoken of is NOT about the Physical DYING, but a Spiritual ONE. So when a SEED is planted into the Ground it ONLY APPEARS to DIE! Again the Quran is CONFIRMED! Salam/Peace I really HOPE you can understand. By the way, why are you so desperate hoping to show that Jesus was not crucified? You don't follow Jesus so how will whatever happened to Jesus impact you personally in your day to day practice as a Muslim?
@william19-k4b Here is the Verses that prove that Jesus was not Killed nor Crucified just like the Quran says. Psa 91:11 For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways. Psa 91:12 They shall bear thee up in their hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone. Aren't you ashamed for being deceitful yourself?
Frank is so disingenuous. May Allah guide him before it's too late. Dude has been arguing against Islam for years now. He has no excuse if he dies in disbelief...
This guy on a regular comes on and does this he is just an embarrassment long ago and still is He ain't even a Christian he just thinks he is with his own interpretation truly shocking as well as his comprehension skills.
@Toronado2 sorry I'm not going down this road with you. The road where you will quote a bunch of Bible verses that NEVER EVER say Jesus was not crucified. The issue I want you to address is WHY alalh decided to DECEIVE the people by substituting Jesus with an unidentified person. What was his motive for doing that? You answer these directly. If you divert I will have to unfortunately bid you 🙋🏼 as time is too precious to waste. Ok?
I will answer on behalf of the brother. In the verse it didn't said Allah SWT replace jesus with unidentified person. Period. And have some decency to spell correctly other people important entity even you do not agree with them. Are you so afraid to spell it correctly?
@@zaquanbhfssa I wouldn't resort to spelling and grammar as your argument, its petty, hypocritical and used as a last resort of the desperately dishonest. Surah An-Nisa (4:157-158): "And [they] say, 'Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Isa, the son of Maryam.' But they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him for certain. Rather, Allah raised him to Himself. And ever is Allah Exalted in Might and Wise."
Here is the Verses that prove that Jesus was not Killed nor Crucified just like the Quran says. Psa 91:11 For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways. Psa 91:12 They shall bear thee up in their hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone.
No nonsense Imran is intellectually deadly, May Allah increase him in beneficial knowledge and preserve assets such as him for the benefit of Islam. Ameen
Aamiinn 🤲
It's very difficult to find a sincere Christian, they always avoid to answer straight questions.the truth doesn't need justification,only lies need it
Thank you EFDawah. Having people like you is a blessing. Exposing lies. Frank is cornered and has no way to go!
Hypocrisy is rooted deep in his heart but well done brother Imran
He seems to have hatred in his heart or perhaps he wants to hold on to his falsehood so badly. He knows Islam is the truth but refuses to let go. He is old and could die at any time. May Allah guide him.
Alhamdulillah for Islam ☝🏻
Frank doesnt want to be frank wen his hypocrisy is exposed
@shus5787 Frank is Allergic to the untainted TRUTH.
Being Honest, sincere and having the Courage to Speak The TRUTH is NOT in the DNA of any Christian.
All those Honest Christians with such attributes, no longer believe in any bible or go to any church.
Most of them find answers and solace in the Masjids.
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Frank don't give up!!! Play stupid , deflect, be disengenious. Do everything Bruh. Don't loose😂
Thank you, Brother Imran, for your efforts to guide Frank. Unfortunately, he refused, just as his ancestor as mentioned in this verse - “ Or do you think that most of them hear or reason? They are not except like livestock. Rather, they are [even] more astray in [their] way. “ Quran 25 : 44
Frank didn't see this coming 😂 nice kick 👏
Bro has been coming to various dawah channel for almost 4 years (if I'm not mistaken) just to get his argument destroyed over and over again..
it's not a bro. it's an idiot
Frank is literally deceiving himself now.
Lmao he's how attacking himself. Christians always do that especially with the trinity it causes self confusion and mental headache.💀
Hhhhe
At this moment I am sick of seeing Frank on these forums.
Me too!! 😏 always with the same stupid arguments.
Frank finds it difficult to be frank! 😂
There are 2 problems with this... First he tries to make Islam wrong and second he wants to fix his bible... The audacity to come with a corruption and then try to prove someone else to be wrong not even standing on a his own foot.
Those who worship their own desire will never reach the truth. The bias is obvious.
*Either believe* in All of it, *All Together*
*Or disbelieve* in All of it, *All Together*
and you will now all start to apply that rule to the Hadiths, yes?
@Shamarim except hadiths have to be analysed for chain of narration for its validity
@@CheeseCheese-ip5crand how do you think a Bible (bibliography) works when it comes to what is canon and what isn't?
@Shamarim
Now you know that the Bible doesn't work that way. There is no Chain of narration for the Bible. No one knows who wrote the Bible. And even the Bible itself proves itself False.
@@Toronado2 Surah Al-Ma’idah (5:43-48): The Torah and Gospel are called sources of guidance and light.
Surah Yunus (10:94): Muhammad is told to ask the People of the Book (Jews and Christians) if he has doubts.
Surah Al-Baqarah (2:136): Muslims are told to believe in what was revealed to Moses, Jesus, and the prophets without making distinctions.
If the Bible really had a questionable "chain of narration," why would Allah tell people to rely on those scriptures? And if they were corrupted, when exactly did that happen? By the 7th century, the Torah and Gospel were already widely spread and preserved by Jewish and Christian scribes. If they were changed, where’s the proof? Where are the “uncorrupted originals” from that time?
Plus, if Muslims could preserve the Qur’an and Hadiths, why wouldn’t Allah preserve the Torah and Gospel too, especially since He directed people to use them? Saying they were corrupted before the Qur’an doesn’t make sense either, because the Qur’an itself says they were valid.
So, the argument about the Bible having no "chain of narration" doesn’t really hold up, especially when your own Qur’an supports its legitimacy.
Frank can never wrap his head around the fact that a principle needs to be established first as the standard of measurement for both the Quran and the Bible, THEN both needs to be measured against that principle.
Frank prefers to measure the Quran with some vague standard he made up, and prefers to assert that the Bible meets whatever standard he has.
Frank thinks that gives weight to his argument against the Quran when it shows how unfair and unethical he is with his claims.
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May Allah SWT reward you for your work of education and information brothers.
" It's not the eyes that are blind but it's the heart "
(Matthew 4:1) Jesus was tempted
(James 1:13) God cannot be tempted
(John 1:29) Jesus was seen
(1 John 4:12) No man has ever seen God
(Acts 2:22) Jesus was and is a man, sent by God
(Numbers 23:19, Hosea 11:9) God is not a man
(Hebrews 5:8-9) Jesus had to grow and learn (Isaiah 40:28) God doesn't ever need to learn
(1 Corinthians 15: 3-4) Jesus Died
(1 Timothy 1:17) God cannot die
(Hebrews 5:7) Jesus needed salvation
(Luke 1:37) God doesn't need salvation
(John 4:6) Jesus grew weary
(Isaiah 40:28) God cannot grow weary
(Mark 4:38) Jesus slept
(Psalm 121: 2-4) God doesn't sleep
(John 5:19) Jesus wasn't all powerful
(Isaiah 45: 5-7) God is all powerful
(Mark 13:32) Jesus wasn't all knowing
(Isaiah 46:9) God is all knowing Please re-read your scriptures properly Christians. And analyse the contradictions within. Jesus (peace and blessings be upon him) was a mighty messenger sent by God. The Messiah. Not God incarnate.
BIBLE IS NOT FROM GOD
The Bible was written hundred of years after Jesus by people who never met him of about more than 40 authors in different continents which we don't know their true biographies and we can't ascertain for sure if they were actually inspired by God. The Bible contains more of history than the word of God. The authenticity of the Bible as a word of God is fully doubted just like the actual authors are not well traced and bible keeps evolving!
The word bible is not from God and Jesus didn't know any like bible. Christianity is a man-made religion & The origin of the word is not from God and God never ordained it. None of the Bible prophets was a Christian Not Even Jesus. The word CHRISTIAN was first uttered by pagans as a way of insult to the disciples of Jesus Christ (Acts 11:26). Christianity is based on worshipping Jesus Christ and Jesus never practised Christianity by worshipping himself. All biblical prophets were monotheist submitters of their wills to the Wills of God known in Arabic language as MUSLIM as Jesus also did in John 5:30
The Bible is not from God. It was written hundred of years after Jesus by people who never met him attributing it to him. Jesus Christ didn't know anything like the Bible in his entire life. The bible cannot guarantee you true salvation. True salvation is found only in Islam, the only true religion of God which Jesus practised!
If you are to ask me, "do you believe in the Bible?" My reply will be "which bible"?
👉 The Syrian version of 61 books or
👉 The protestant version of 66 books or
👉 The Coptic version of 75 books or
👉 The Roman catholic version of 73 books or
👉 The Charismatic version of 76 books or
👉 The Ethiopic version of 81 books or
👉 The Orthodox Version of 86 books or
👉 The Greek orthodox of 78 books?
You See clearly there's confusion and different Bible maybe revealed to different Jesus in different places for different groups of people. So which one is from God? There's completely addition and subtraction in the Bible. Even among christians, they differ in books and of course everything.
I will not talk of KJV, RSV, NIV, Good News Bible, etc because these are a matter of CHOICES OF WORDS though still different in many verses as regards the evidence of Jeremiah 8:8 in a nutshell confirmed in the RSV by christian scholars affirming the Bible has many defects and mistakes, backed by Jehovah Witness in their awake magazine dated 8th September 1957 that there are more than 50,000 errors in the Bible. So the God of the Bible is an ignorant "God"!
Many non-Muslims think that if the Qur'an is burnt, it will be lost. This is because none of the Christians in the history of Christianity has ever memorised the complete Bible and no Christian can even boast of memorising just the old testament or just the new testament completely, there's none; Infact, Muslims have even memorised the Bible more than the Christians themselves. If you burn the entire Qur'an in the world today, little children of 7 years will reproduce the exact Qur'an without adding a dot or reducing it because they have all memorised everything off hand; you may also wonder this because you do not even know the Arabic alphabet! The Qur'an is well preserved and it's a miracle of miracles!
The Qur'an contains 114chapters and if you claim by lying that the Qur'an has different versions, then we challenge you in your entire life to show us two complete different Qur'an not having 114chapters each; don't frustrate here with different page covers, different reading styles and different printing press names or different riwayaat claiming to be different Qur'an.
How to copy this text
😂 I had the same thought. If you have an iPhone you should be able to screenshot it, and go in your pictures, edit, and you should be able to press and hold to copy!
Nice
Alhamdulillah for Islam
Smashed it bros. Well done. Pray all the sincere xtians see the problems here and come closer to the truth of Islaam
Some people will be stubborn till they end up in Hell. Sad.
*Then I said, “Alas, Sovereign LORD! How completely you have deceived this people and Jerusalem by saying, ‘You will have peace,’ when the sword is at our throats!” [Jeremiah 4:10]*
*You deceived me, LORD, and I was deceived; you overpowered me and prevailed. I am ridiculed all day long; everyone mocks me. [Jeremiah 20:7]*
1 Kings 22:22-23
And he replied, ‘I will go out and be a lying spirit in the mouths of all his prophets.’ ‘You will surely entice him and prevail,’ said the LORD. ‘Go and do it.’ / So you see, the LORD has put a lying spirit in the mouths of all these prophets of yours, and the LORD has pronounced disaster against you.”
New Living Translation
“‘And if a prophet is deceived into giving a message, it is because I, the LORD, have deceived that prophet. (Ezekiel 14:9)
New International Version
For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie
and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness (2 Thessalonians 2:11-12)
Masha Allah ❤
I love the no nonsense Imran he is amazing mashallah May Allah SWT reward you all for your works and time you spend in the way of Allah SWT as we only do it for the sake of Allah SWT
You lot have been entertaining Frank's waffles since COVID Lockdowns. I really don't see any point!
Seriously Frank...First you say that God does not decieve...and now you want to read the passage to justify it ???
You either against God being deceitful or you will justify when he can !! Come on mate...you're either insincere or dumb as a box full of rocks !! You must be from Melbourne cause I've met Melbournians like yourself !!
Frank is, frankly speaking, totally DEBUNKED AND EMBARRASSED by Dr. Imran by showing Frank's gross ignorance of his own bible. May Allah preserve Dr. Imran and Bro Abbas, ameen!
You did well, brothers. This is an old Christian trope. More evidence:
1 Corinthians 3:19, NLT: "For the wisdom of this world is foolishness to God. As the Scriptures say, 'He traps the wise in the snare of their own cleverness.'"
Matthew 10:16, “Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves. Be ye therefore wise as serpents and harmless as doves.
Ezekiel 14:9 KJV, ““And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the LORD have deceived that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand upon him, and will destroy him from the midst of my people Israel.”
The Biblical God As a Deceiver
By Bassam Zawadi
You won't hear enough of Christian missionaries arguing that the Qur'an describes Allah as plotting and deceiving.
So I think it is only fair if we return them the favor and show how the God of the Bible is a deceiver, thus by the Christian missionary criteria the Biblical God is an immoral God and should not be worshipped.
We read in...
Jeremiah 4:10
Then I said, "Ah, Sovereign LORD, how completely you have deceived (nasha) this people and Jerusalem by saying, 'You will have peace,' when the sword is at our throats."
The word for deceived here is nasha, which means...
1) to beguile, deceive
a) (Niphal) to be beguiled
b) (Hiphil) to beguile, deceive
c) (Qal) utterly (infinitive)
Source: www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/words/5/1144094423-2544.html
John Gill states in his commentary...
surely thou hast greatly deceived this people and Jerusalem:
what the false prophets did, that God is said to do, because he suffered them to deceive the people; (John Gill, The New John Gill Exposition of the Entire Bible, Commentary on Jeremiah 4:10, Source)
The New Bible commentary states...
Jeremiah is not indifferent to the message, which he is called to preach. In v 10 a note is struck to which he will return in relation to himself (15:18). In his distress he accuses the Lord of having deceived the people, presumably by having allowed false prophets to convince them with a message of peace (cf. 6:13-14). The only reply is the Lord's own confirmation that judgment is sure. (New Bible Commentary)
Even though it was really the false prophets who did the act of deception, the Bible is actually shifting the blame to God for actually allowing the false prophets to do the deception. This is what the "inspired" author Jeremiah said and this is what we got to accept. God deceived innocent people.
It seemed that people were so bothered with Jeremiah's ascription of deception to God that they had to reword the sentence so that deception is ascribed to the false prophets instead.
Ah, Lord God! surely thou hast greatly deceived this people
The Targum paraphrases this verse thus: "And I said, Receive my supplication, O Lord God; for, behold, the false prophets deceive this people and the inhabitants of Jerusalem, saying, Ye shall have peace." The prophet could not reconcile this devastation of the country with the promises already made; and he appears to ask the question, Hast thou not then deceived this people in saying there shall be peace, i.e., prosperity? (Adam Clarke, The Adam Clarke Commentary, Commentary on Jeremiah 4:10, Source)
We have it in...
1 Kings 22:20-22
20 And the LORD said, 'Who will entice Ahab into attacking Ramoth Gilead and going to his death there?'
"One suggested this, and another that. 21 Finally, a spirit came forward, stood before the LORD and said, 'I will entice him.'
22 " 'By what means?' the LORD asked.
" 'I will go out and be a lying spirit in the mouths of all his prophets,' he said.
" 'You will succeed in enticing him,' said the LORD. 'Go and do it.'
Here we see that the man said that he would resort to lying in order to entice Ahab and God supported the idea and told him to go ahead and do it!
I personally have no moral objections to this since I believe God could at times use means of deception in order to ensure the greater good and to use deception against evil. However, Christians don't allow this when we talk about Allah deceiving evildoers in the Qur'an. These are double standards.
We even have it in...
Ezekiel 14:9-11
9 " 'And if the prophet is enticed to utter a prophecy, I the LORD have deceived that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand against him and destroy him from among my people Israel. They will bear their guilt-the prophet will be as guilty as the one who consults him. 11 Then the people of Israel will no longer stray from me, nor will they defile themselves anymore with all their sins. They will be my people, and I will be their God, declares the Sovereign LORD.' "
God is punishing him for a crime that He enticed him to do in the first place? Isn't that entrapment?
Another passage...
Isaiah 37:6-7
Isaiah said to them, "Tell your master, 'This is what the LORD says: Do not be afraid of what you have heard-those words with which the underlings of the king of Assyria have blasphemed me. Listen! I am going to put a spirit in him so that when he hears a certain report, he will return to his own country, and there I will have him cut down with the sword.'
God had that spirit spread a rumor so that the King of Assyria can to return to his homeland. In short, that spirit's purpose was for deception.
Another example from the Bible...
Isaiah 19:14
The LORD has poured into them a spirit of dizziness; they make Egypt stagger in all that she does, as a drunkard staggers around in his vomit.
Here we see God deceiving people to the extent that they become absolutely foolish.
Even though I don't believe the Gospels teach that Jesus taught he was God, however this example is for those who believe that Jesus is God. Jesus admits that he was speaking figuratively all this time...
John 16:25
25"Though I have been speaking figuratively (paroimia), a time is coming when I will no longer use this kind of language but will tell you plainly about my Father.
The word paroimia could mean...
1) a saying out of the usual course or deviating from the usual manner of speaking
a) a current or trite saying, a proverb
2) any dark saying which shadows forth some didactic truth
a) esp. a symbolic or figurative saying
b) speech or discourse in which a thing is illustrated by the use of similes and comparisons
c) an allegory
1) extended and elaborate metaphor
Source: www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/words/3/1146511128-5176.html
Why wasn't Jesus speaking in a normal and clear way all the time? Why did Jesus then go and say that he won't 'use this kind of language'?
Well, here we find out why...
Mark 4:10-12
10When he was alone, the Twelve and the others around him asked him about the parables. 11He told them, "The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables 12so that," 'they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!'
So here we see that Jesus was deceiving certain people by speaking in parables so that they won't (and God forbid!) REPENT AND BE FORGIVEN!
Also in...
2 Thessalonians 2:11
11For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie
So God will delude people so that they can believe lies?
Now Christians would argue back and ask us Muslims to understand the context and reasons why God did such a thing. However, when we tell Christians to do the same thing when it comes to analyzing certain Qur'anic verses they don't want to do it. So why should we Muslims?
And FYI, this is an oft-repeated trope and it gets old when Christians excitedly repeat it. Please understand that in the Qur’an Satan is indeed the greatest Deceiver:
“O men! surely the promise of Allah is true, therefore let not the life of this world deceive you, and let not the Arch-deceiver (Satan) deceive you respecting Allah.”
Al-Fatir, v5
In the verse they often refer to (but probably never actually study the Qur’an itself, certainly not from a linguistic perspective, they will see that in Al-Anfal, v30, God explicitly uses the verb مكر “makara” in reference to the machinations of the Disbelievers, saying that He, all praise to Him, is indeed ahead of them, more aware and more cunning than them. This is indeed the same intent in Jeremiah, 4:10.
what a cluster of convoluted word salad mess, stop using a complete AI chat reel out like that, break things down into digestible paragraphs so that each part can be addressed.
@ it’s perfectly “digestible” and laid out. Why don’t you breath, gather yourself, take a moment, and work out your syntax and punctuation before you get so triggered and just spit nonsense.
@@AereForst ad hominem, the refuge of someone grasping at straws.
@@WatcherDisciple I just gave you a taste of your own medicine, my friend. You attacked what I wrote and described it in unflattering terms, and I repaid the gesture regarding your syntax and punctuation, as your richly deserved fruit. If you can’t take the heat, stay out of the kitchen. Bye now.
@@AereForst fine lets play by your standards.
To address the claim that the Bible describes God as a deceiver and respond to the notion that there’s no chain of narration in the Bible, let's start with the main accusation: that God Himself is depicted as a deceiver in various biblical passages. The examples provided-Jeremiah 4:10, 1 Kings 22:20-22, Ezekiel 14:9, Isaiah 37:6-7, and others-suggest that God is either directly involved in deception or allows it to happen for a specific purpose.
Here’s a detailed Christian response:
1. The Wisdom of God and the Foolishness of the World
First, we have to acknowledge that the Bible often portrays God's ways as far beyond human comprehension. In 1 Corinthians 3:19 (NLT), it states, "For the wisdom of this world is foolishness to God. As the Scriptures say, 'He traps the wise in the snare of their own cleverness.'" This highlights a fundamental truth in Scripture: what may appear as "deception" or "trickery" to us may actually be part of a larger, divine plan, and God’s wisdom, in contrast to human wisdom, can sometimes appear paradoxical. The "trapping" of the wise is not an act of malicious deceit, but rather a way to humble human pride.
2. The Complexity of God's Actions
Now, let's address some of the key passages that seem to suggest that God is involved in deception.
Jeremiah 4:10
In this passage, the prophet Jeremiah expresses distress, saying, “Ah, Sovereign LORD, how completely you have deceived this people and Jerusalem by saying, 'You will have peace,' when the sword is at our throats." It's important to recognize that the term "deceived" here reflects the prophet's emotional response to a situation where false prophets assured the people of peace, even though judgment was coming. Jeremiah accuses God of deceiving them, but this is an expression of his distress and frustration with the people’s rejection of the true message. God permitted the false prophets to deceive them because the people had already chosen to ignore His warnings.
John Gill in his commentary points out that what God is doing here is allowing the false prophets to operate, but it's not God actively deceiving; it's God letting the people go the way they chose to go, in order to face the consequences. So, the deception here is not a contradiction of God’s nature but rather a consequence of human choices.
1 Kings 22:20-22
This is another passage often cited to argue that God is a deceiver. In 1 Kings 22, God allows a lying spirit to deceive King Ahab’s prophets, leading him to his destruction. It might sound like God is actively deceiving Ahab, but the context here is crucial. God is allowing a spirit to go and deceive the prophets because Ahab had already hardened his heart and was unwilling to listen to the true prophet (Micaiah). In a sense, God is giving Ahab over to his own desires, which results in his destruction. This is not God arbitrarily deceiving, but rather an act of judgment on a king who repeatedly rejected the truth.
Ezekiel 14:9-11
This passage says, “If a prophet is deceived when he speaks a prophecy, I the LORD have deceived that prophet." Again, this is God allowing the prophet to be deceived as part of the judgment on Israel for their ongoing sin. The deception here is not presented as an evil act on God's part, but rather as a just consequence for people who have continually turned away from the truth. God allows the false prophets to deceive those who refuse to hear the truth. It’s about divine judgment-God using even the deception of false prophets to purify the people.
Isaiah 37:6-7
Here, God sends a spirit to spread a rumor that causes the Assyrian king to return to his land. This is an example of God using an indirect means of influencing human action. Again, God isn’t lying or deceiving in the traditional sense, but He is orchestrating events so that His sovereign will is carried out, even using means that appear deceptive to us.
3. Parables and Deception in the Gospels
Another point that’s often misunderstood is the use of parables by Jesus. Mark 4:10-12 reveals that Jesus spoke in parables to hide the truth from those who were not open to it. “So that, ‘they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!’” Jesus didn’t speak in parables to confuse or deceive people for malicious reasons but to reveal truth in a way that would only be understood by those whose hearts were open to Him. The idea here isn’t that Jesus was trying to trick people but that He was revealing truth in a manner that required faith and a willingness to seek understanding.
4. The Greater Purpose: God’s Sovereignty and Justice
Now, to the bigger picture: why does God allow or use deception at times? It's not about God being a "deceiver" in the sense that humans lie or cheat. Rather, it's about God's sovereignty and justice. In 2 Thessalonians 2:11, we read, "For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie." This is a judgment on those who reject the truth. When people persist in rejecting God’s truth, He may allow them to believe lies as a form of judgment. Again, this isn’t God being immoral but fulfilling His justice.
5. The Double Standard Argument
Finally, when comparing these actions with the concept of Allah’s "deception" in the Qur'an, it’s important to note that both faiths describe God using means of judgment and justice that may seem harsh from a human perspective but are ultimately part of a larger divine plan. In Islam, Satan is described as the "great deceiver" in Al-Fatir 35:5, and while God is described as being "cunning" in Al-Anfal 8:30, it’s about His supreme knowledge and ability to outwit those who oppose His will.
Conclusion: Understanding Divine Deception
In summary, the "deception" in these passages is not about God acting immorally or in a deceitful way like humans might, but rather about God using judgment and allowing individuals to experience the consequences of their choices. God is sovereign, and His actions in these instances are part of His divine will to bring about justice and fulfill His plan. The passages you cited don’t paint God as a deceiver in the way it’s often implied, but rather show how God can use seemingly deceptive means to execute judgment or fulfill His purposes, ultimately bringing good out of what may initially seem like evil.
When it comes to the Bible’s chain of narration, while it’s true that the Bible doesn’t have a "chain of narration" in the same sense as the Hadith in Islam, it still contains a rich history of preserved texts through various manuscripts, translations, and testimonies. These texts were passed down and carefully preserved over millennia, much like the Qur'an, with historical context, authenticity, and preservation being key themes in Christian scholarship.
This response tackles the argument thoroughly, giving insight into how these passages are understood in Christian theology, and addressing the underlying claims about the morality of God in a clear and thoughtful manner.
Baraka ALLAHU fikum
What is wrong with deceiving a deceiver?
May Allah bless Islam amen long live the umma of Mohammed pbuh amen ❤
5 minutes in, and I lost interest in hearing anything from Frank, he is dishones and hypocrite.
and thats like 10th time he is on dawah channels i watch? plus 2x or smth in speakers corner? after first time i realized frank is just waste of time.
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he attacks dawah booths in Sydney.
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2 Thessalonians 2:11
11 "So God will cause them to be greatly deceived, and they will believe these lies. 11 And since they're so obsessed with evil, God rubs their noses in it - gives them what they want."
An engineer who spent years studying, can’t answer a clear question! Rather, tries to find excuses why God deceives but what he doesn’t realize is that him trying to find excuses goes against his first answer: GOD DOES NOT DECEIVE! Poor Frank!
Frank is following his gods commands and try to deceive us 😅
Claiming God became Man
Only to Die is One of Greatest Lies and Deceptions imaginable
Those who claim it , have been deceived because God does not love
the deceivers , sinful liars , their sin
being their lying, their deception
salaam in this life you’re either intelligent or christian may allah facilitate the understanding
King doctor ❤
He was just about to create his own interpretations of the bible. May Allah guide us all.
Dr Imran Salam Brother some of these Yujuj and Majuj do not Understand Islam .
This backfired really bad 👎 😂😂😂😂😂
King abbas ❤
Allah is the boss amen ❤
Ezekiel 14.9 "And if the prophet is DECEIVED and speaks a word, I am the Lord, I have DECEIVED that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand against him and destroy him from the midst of my people Israel."
*To all haters if Islam, whoever has a glass house, do not throw stones at people!!
*Christianity is weaker than the spider's web!!
Ezekiel 14:9 describes God allowing a false prophet to be deceived as part of His judgment against both the prophet and those who seek false guidance. Similar to 1 Kings 22, where God permits a lying spirit to influence Ahab’s prophets, this reflects God's sovereignty and justice in dealing with rebellion.
In the New Testament, however, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are consistently presented as truthful, with no indication of them deceiving. Passages like Titus 1:2 and John 14:6 affirm God’s nature as completely aligned with truth, contrasting with these Old Testament examples of judgment through permitted deception.
@Shamarim Then why does Jesus keep lying in the New Testament?
@@Toronado2 a bold claim, present one verse where Jesus lies in the New Testament.
@@WatcherDisciple
For example, Luke 21.5.. forward, that generation and many generations died after him, 2000 years later, Jesus did not return, that false prophecy was not fulfilled!!
@Shamarim
Luk 23:42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.
Luk 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, TODAY shalt thou be with me in paradise.
We both know that Jesus and the thief next to him went straight to Hades. Do you want others? Or is ONE sufficient?
In 1 Kings 22:19-23 (Old Testament), the prophet Micaiah recounts a vision in which God permits a "lying spirit" to influence King Ahab's prophets, leading Ahab to make a disastrous decision that results in his downfall. The text does not depict God as lying directly but as sovereignly allowing the spirit to act in alignment with His purpose of judgment on Ahab, who consistently rejected God's truth.
In contrast, the New Testament emphasizes that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are entirely truthful and do not engage in deception. Key verses such as Titus 1:2 ("God, who cannot lie"), John 14:6 ("I am the way, the truth, and the life"), and John 16:13 (referring to the Holy Spirit as the "Spirit of truth") affirm this.
This Old Testament account highlights God's justice and sovereignty, while the New Testament focuses on His nature as wholly truthful and faithful. Thus, while the New Testament does not describe any instance of God deceiving, the Old Testament shows God allowing deception for specific purposes of judgment within His broader plan.
Stop embarrassing yourself
Frank - “Let me ask you one question,”
-……..5 questions later continuing to ask questions
you should let them go back and talk about "context" to show them how they are wrong. We do that as Muslims too. Go to context about verses in the Quran too
Frank loves to be embarrassed intellectually it’s sad he loves punishing himself lol
Frank: you have to read the context.
The principal is the context now Frank🤣
Frank is the epitome of self deception
Allah does not deceive any body
I don't get Frank's angle with the explanation. He's already agreed to the principle that God cannot/will not deceive anyone. But then his defense is basically, "yeah they were deceived by God"?
Frank is frankly a deceiver.
@Toronado2 I'm sorry I don't know that Jesus and the thief next to him went straight to Hades. By the way what is Hades?
I can't listen to this Christian. May Allah guide him to the truth ☝🏼
Caught in 4K…..!!!
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For a God to deceives his creations is a nonsense God. End.
Only using the same old tactics, Christians when confronted with truth always go the Mary go around.They always change the goal post when cornered, proves the Holy Spirit is not living with them .
Frank is giving dawah in his own way 😅
Frank, please be Frank. Classic lol
is this an old clip?
Uh. Umm. Oh. Ah. Mmmm. Aaah.
Cat got his tongue
Frank has shown his double standard several times,,he is nothing just hypocrite as highest level
You mean all the times
Be frank Frank😅
YaAllah Frank still going? Lol he is the classic example of the seals on their hearts eyes and Allah guiding who he wills
Quite frankly Frank stop being frank after the verse was read to him 😅
What did frank think he proved when he read the context?
Saw this live. Frank always come with a double standard.
SubhaanAllah Brother, you handled Frank...FRANKLY he is in a corner and fought valiantly not to go there 😂😂😂 he knew he was against the ropes going down this path 🤣🤣🤣...I pray Frank that you accept that the Taurah and The Bible has been corrupted and therefore cant be used as a representatitive of the words of Allah 🤔🤔🤔
The least a human with the least of substance could do is be humble and live to fight another day instead Frank completely accepts that his arrogance is overwhelming unfortunately May Almighty God guide us all
All these years ...and Frank still doesn't have shame for being utterly disingenuous
Franks God is letting him deceive himself.
Frank has lost his head
God is light. In him there is no darkness. 1 John 5. In 1 Kings 22, God is revealing the exact truth to wicked King Ahab through his prophet. He reveals directly to Ahab that all the prophets predicting that he would be victorious are false. Of course God has allowed the false prophets because he is all powerful and sovereign. But God is showing through his true prophet Micaiah that if Ahab goes into battle he will be killed. In contrast in the Quran Allah says that he himself is the best of deceivers. Look up what mkr means in Arabic. Quran 3:54
Show me in the classical Arabic dictionary that the word mean deceiver. I dare you.
@peterhwang352
So does your God say GO and DECEIVE?
1Ki 22:22 “ ‘By what means?' the LORD asked. “ ‘I will go out and be a deceiving spirit in the mouths of all his prophets,' he said. “ ‘You will succeed in enticing him,' said the LORD. ‘Go and do it.'
2Ch 18:21 “ ‘I will go and be a deceiving spirit in the mouths of all his prophets,' he said. “ ‘You will succeed in enticing him,' said the LORD. ‘Go and do it.'
Who said GO and Do IT?
Stop embarrassing yourself Peter
Long live 124000 profits off Allah ❤amen
Actually frank has a point, that is did God deceive the jews and christians or the jesus' followers at the time of crucifixion? Because from a Quranic perspective it seems they all were deceived.
• The Christians may have been excused for their belief in the k__ill__ing and cruc___ifixion of the Messiah, before the sending of our Prophet Muhammad (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him). But after his sending (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) and the establishment of proof and miracles to confirm his truthfulness and Prophethood, there is no excuse for those against whom proof is established, and whom the message of Islam and the Quran have reached, for going against anything that the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) brought.
• There is nothing in the Holy Quran or in the Prophet’s Sunnah to condemn the early Christians (i.e., before the sending of our Prophet Muhammad (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him)) as disbelievers because of their belief that the Messiah (peace be upon him) was k__ill__ed and cruc___ified. Rather Allah, may He be glorified and exalted, condemns them as disbelievers because they regarded the Messiah as a god, and because they regarded divinity as being three: Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
• Allah Says: "Surely, they have disbelieved who say: ‘Allah is the Messiah (‘Eesa (Jesus)), son of Maryam (Mary).’ But the Messiah (‘Eesa (Jesus)) said: ‘O Children of Israel! Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord.’ Verily, whosoever sets up partners in worship with Allah, then Allah has forbidden Paradise for him, and the Fire will be his abode. And for the Zalimoon (polytheists and wrongdoers) there are no helpers. Surely, disbelievers are those who said: ‘Allah is the third of the three (in a Trinity).’ But there is no ilah (god) (none who has the right to be worshipped) but One Ilah (God -Allah). And if they cease not from what they say, verily, a painful torment will befall the disbelievers among them." (Quran 5:72-73].
• There is nothing in the Holy Quran that says: "surely they have disbelieved who say that the Messiah was k__ill__ed and cruc__ified"! The reason for that is that Allah caused another man to resemble ‘Eesa, and his enemies k__ill__ed him, thinking that he was the Messiah. Not one of the followers of the Messiah and his disciples was present in that place, so that they could be certain of the identity of the one who was cruc___ified, apart from some women who stood some way off, looking on. Then the news spread that the Messiah had been k__ill__ed and cruc___ified and buried, and many people believed that, even some of his followers, because they did not have knowledge to prove that false, and the Messiah - as he was a human being - could have been k__ill__ed, as the Je___ws had k__ill__ed other Prophets before him. That was the excuse of those who adopted this false belief.
• It is natural that the Christians, by which we mean the early Christians, before the coming of our Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him), believed in the cruc___ifixion and k__ill__ing of ‘Eesa (peace be upon him). But after the sending of the Messenger (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) and the revelation of the Quran, and the definitive denial of the k__ill__ing and cruc___ifixion of the Messiah, whoever believes in the k__ill__ing and cruc___ifixion of the Messiah after that is a disbeliever, because he has rejected what Quran says, which definitive evidence and miracles have proven is the true word of Allah and not the words of any human being.
• Whoever among the followers of the Messiah - before the Prophethood of our Prophet Muhammad (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) - believed in the Messiah as a Prophet and Messenger, not as a god or son of God, and followed his teachings, but mistakenly believed that he was k__ill__ed and cruc___ified, that person was a believer and a monotheist, and is excused for that mistaken belief.
• If it is said that the disciples, or some of them, or many of the people of the Book, or most of them, used to believe that the Messiah himself was cruc___ified, they were mistaken in that, but this mistake was not something that would undermine their belief in the Messiah, if they believed in what he brought, and they are not inevitably do___omed to He___ll, because the Gospels that are in the hands of the People of the Book mentioned the cruc___ifixion of the Messiah.
• But that excuse ceased with the coming of the true facts from the Lord of the Worlds, in His Book, that the matter was made to appear thus to the Je___ws, and that Allah, may He be glorified and exalted, did not give them power over the Prophet of Allah ‘Eesa in any real sense, and He did not enable them to k__ill him or cruc___ify him. As that is the case, there is no longer any excuse, once the true facts have come.
• Allah, may He be glorified and exalted, did not send down any book before the Quran in which it was either affirmed or denied that the Messiah (peace be upon him) was cruc___ified; rather it was confirmed in the Quran that this never happened, thus is became required to reject the reports which said that he was cruc___ified.
• Allah Says: "And because of their saying (in boast), ‘We killed Messiah ‘Eesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allah,’ - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but the resemblance of ‘Eesa (Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that man), and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed him not (i.e. ‘Eesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)). But Allah raised him (‘Eesa (Jesus)) up (with his body and soul) unto Himself (and he is in the heavens). And Allah is Ever AllPowerful, AllWise" (Quran 4:157-158).
@@tiladorigin bro, keep humble and do not lie... "But after his sending (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) and the establishment of proof and miracles to confirm his truthfulness and Prophethood, there is no excuse for those against whom proof is established, and whom the message of Islam and the Quran have reached, for going against anything that the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) brought." --- there is no such a thing as miracle of prophet muhammad. Quran actually confirms it (that God didn't give any miracle to prophet muhammad). A miracle is defined as extraordinary thing happened that people witness it.
@gondala
I just want to point out the "de___ce___ive":
• Your God made Jeremiah a Prophet before his birth: "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to the nations." (Jer.1.5). Then Jeremiah De___ce___ived by your God: "O LORD, You have deceived me, and I was deceived; you are stronger than I, and you have prevailed. I have become a laughingstock all the day; everyone mocks me." (Jer.20.7).
• "Once again Jesus began to teach beside the sea, and such a large crowd gathered around Him ... And He taught them many things in parables ... As soon as Jesus was alone with the Twelve and those around Him, they asked Him about the parable. He replied, “The mystery of the kingdom of God has been given to you, but to those on the outside everything is expressed in parables, so that, ‘they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven.’”" (Mk.4.1-12).
. The text proves that Jesus is a s___inner because he de___ce___ived the outsiders.
. The verses prove that your god Jesus did not come to save s___inners, but rather he clearly said: "otherwise they might turn and be forgiven"!
. Christians keep saying that Jesus d__i__ed on the cross for their sins but he is not sinless! So, the sacrifice is not perfect, because it must be a sinless sacrifice! Which means that your sin, O Christian, is still with you! =2=
@gondala
Miracles! Let's talk about the miracles of your god, your lord, and your creator Jesus, and compare them to the miracles of God's prophets, like Elisha and Elijah:
• Jesus fed 5,000 people with five loaves of bread and two fishes. The same was done by Elisha. He fed 100 people with twenty barley loaves and a few ears of corn: "And there came a man from Baalshalisha, and brought the man of God bread of the firstfruits, twenty loaves of barley, and full ears of corn in the husk thereof. And he said, Give unto the people, that they may eat. And his servitor said, What, should I set this before an hundred men? He said again, Give the people, that they may eat: for thus saith the LORD, They shall eat, and shall leave thereof. So he set it before them, and they did eat, and left thereof, according to the word of the LORD." (2 Kgs.4.42-44).
• Jesus healed lepers. Also Elisha cured Naaman the leper: "So Naaman went down to ..... as the man of God had instructed him. And his skin became as healthy as the skin of a young child, and he was healed!" (2 Kgs.5.14).
• Jesus caused the blind to see. Elisha caused the blind to see: "And Elisha prayed, and said, LORD, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the LORD opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw ....." (2 Kgs.6.17).
• Jesus raised the dead. Elijah did the same: "And the LORD heard the voice of Elijah; and the soul of the child came into him again, and he revived." (1 Kgs.17.22).
• Jesus walked on water. Moses and his people crossed the sea: "And Moses stretched out his hand over the sea ..... And the children of Israel went into the midst of the sea upon the dry ground: and the waters were a wall unto them on their right hand, and on their left." (Ex.14.21-22).
• Turning water into wine: "Jesus said to the servants, “Fill the jars with water”; so they filled them to the brim. Then he told them, “Now draw some out and take it to the master of the banquet.” They did so, and the master of the banquet tasted the water that had been turned into wine. He did not realize where it had come from, though the servants who had drawn the water knew ..... What Jesus did here in Cana of Galilee was the first of the signs ....." (Jn.2.7-11).
As to the "miracle of turning water into wine", it is found only in the Gospel of John, which consistently contradicts the other three Gospels (Matthew, Mark and Luke). The Gospel of John was opposed as heretical in the early Church, while the other three Gospels were referred to as the Synoptic Gospels, because the texts contained a similar treatment of Jesus’ life. Consequently, New Testament scholars have expressed doubt about the authenticity of this incident. =3=
@@tiladorigin what are you talking about?
Allah created Islam Frank
I'm batman 😎
@Mirror_Holder Personally attack against Frank does not make Islam a better religious choice to Christianity
That is what happened to Frank when trying to hold on to fantasy religion 🤣🤣🤣
Islam is your only salvation and Issa will testify to this upon his return and will bare witness that he never claimed to be God or the son of God or the holy spirit or Santa Claus. Stop embarrassing yourself and turn to Allah now as Issa did and all the prophets before it's too late and stop wasting your life being ignorant.
Frank had a hard time to be frank
Jesus Christ's desciples were Jews not Christians and they were adhered to the laws of Torah and believe Jesus Christ as a prophet and Messiah.
"Eng Fellow" is not an honest engineer. Engineers take all data "without" the "feelings" attached to it, crunch the data, then spit out the best outcome for all; Minimal risk to life and the best outcome for all humanity.
Look at look at now people how everything is changing now assalamualaikum brother look at his name eng fellow he is an angry fella what's he got to say now people look at him and go to verse 23 to people and read what it says there put a hypocrite man
Frank can't be Frank. 😂
Many many people have nothing to do with the bible Frank
Imrans a legend, Frank is a liar he knows the truth but hiding it
I lie jesus pbuh does not lie
Stammering now😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
This guy Frank has PHD in waffling and he has nothing else to say.
Allah is best of deceivers but when Frank wanted to explain the verse to the deceiving doctor in context,the deceiving doctor said he's not worried about context,after Fank read the verse in context,the deceiving doctor denies what context says,this is the insincerety of the muslims!!
The deceiving doctor wanted Frank to agree on a principal by means of being deceitful!!
You can read from the start of the earth till the end of earth still book of gossips are rubbish. Fantasy much from drunkard authors which you don't know. Maybe your great great grandfather wrote it as bedtime story 🤣🤣🤣
Dear ✝️, stop embarrassing yourself
Don't follow me Frank i will lead you astray
Frank is so un-Frank that, frankly, it's unfortunate how insincerely frank he is. In fact, Frank's so-called frankness falters further when Frank resorts to mental gymnastics to defend his Bible-twisting and turning to justify its nuances-yet Frank refuses to extend the same intellectual flexibility when challenging the Qur'aan. It's as though Frank has constructed a fortress of double standards and ironically named it "Frankness."
The End.
*_Insincere Frank is a waste of time._*
Frank is the human manifestation of the words ''disingenuous'', ''insincere'' and ''hypocritical''. The first 3 minutes alone he couldn't answer a straight-forward question without Imran squeezing the answer out of him. I hope Frank watches this video and sees himself through the viewer's eyes. It's not a good look for him or Christianity. Honestly a waste of time watching him.
Extremely insincere person. Please don't allow him in again because he's just kept wasting your time with his nonsense.
Because it does fit his narrative …
@Toronado2 I'm still waiting on historical EVIDENCE, testimonies from historians etc that says Jesus was not crucified.👇🏼
Then we have another Verse in the Bible that is Said by Jesus' that prove that Jesus did NOT DIE. Jhn 12:23 And Jesus answered them, saying, The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified. Jhn 12:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and DIE, it abideth alone: but IF IT DIE, it bringeth forth much fruit. Now EVERYONE Knows that when a SEED is Planted that is Alive, It DOESN'T actually DIE! If it actually DIED it can NOT bring forth ANY "FRUIT"! What happens though is that it is "Born Again" but doesn't ACTUALLY DIE. So if Jesus the True MESSIAH said these words then He is NOT talking about a NATURAL DEATH or RESURRECTION! He is talking about a Burial without really DYING and NOT a Resurrection BUT a REGENERATION from ABOVE, Just like a SEED that stays dormant for years and then becomes Regenerated to become Born Again! SO the "DYING" that is Spoken of is NOT about the Physical DYING, but a Spiritual ONE. So when a SEED is planted into the Ground it ONLY APPEARS to DIE! Again the Quran is CONFIRMED! Salam/Peace I really HOPE you can understand.
By the way, why are you so desperate hoping to show that Jesus was not crucified? You don't follow Jesus so how will whatever happened to Jesus impact you personally in your day to day practice as a Muslim?
@william19-k4b
Here is the Verses that prove that Jesus was not Killed nor Crucified just like the Quran says.
Psa 91:11 For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways.
Psa 91:12 They shall bear thee up in their hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone.
Aren't you ashamed for being deceitful yourself?
Frank is so disingenuous. May Allah guide him before it's too late. Dude has been arguing against Islam for years now. He has no excuse if he dies in disbelief...
This guy on a regular comes on and does this he is just an embarrassment long ago and still is
He ain't even a Christian he just thinks he is with his own interpretation truly shocking as well as his comprehension skills.
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@Toronado2 sorry I'm not going down this road with you. The road where you will quote a bunch of Bible verses that NEVER EVER say Jesus was not crucified. The issue I want you to address is WHY alalh decided to DECEIVE the people by substituting Jesus with an unidentified person. What was his motive for doing that?
You answer these directly. If you divert I will have to unfortunately bid you 🙋🏼 as time is too precious to waste. Ok?
I will answer on behalf of the brother.
In the verse it didn't said Allah SWT replace jesus with unidentified person. Period.
And have some decency to spell correctly other people important entity even you do not agree with them. Are you so afraid to spell it correctly?
@@zaquanbhfssa I wouldn't resort to spelling and grammar as your argument, its petty, hypocritical and used as a last resort of the desperately dishonest.
Surah An-Nisa (4:157-158):
"And [they] say, 'Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Isa, the son of Maryam.' But they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him for certain. Rather, Allah raised him to Himself. And ever is Allah Exalted in Might and Wise."
Why did you post this message here instead of to me directly?
Here is the Verses that prove that Jesus was not Killed nor Crucified just like the Quran says.
Psa 91:11 For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways.
Psa 91:12 They shall bear thee up in their hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone.
Stop embarrassing yourself William