STEIGER Series III Tractor History 1976-1982

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  • @Military-Museum-LP
    @Military-Museum-LP 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I can’t never grow tired of the original Steiger reports. Thanks

  • @raywilson800
    @raywilson800 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I always love to see the big units at work, especially the old ones.

  • @spliceoncharlie
    @spliceoncharlie 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Always enjoy the Steigers.

  • @ScottPykare
    @ScottPykare 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I really love the new equipment. But............the older equipment is so cool and you can't beat the sound of those old workhorses!! Awesome video Jason!👍😁😊

  • @adamclarke2251
    @adamclarke2251 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Love the big steigers in lime. Especially the tigers

  • @joegotz1971
    @joegotz1971 3 ปีที่แล้ว +62

    I am still trying to convince the wife that we need one for our 2 acre property.

    • @cullenmiller8170
      @cullenmiller8170 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      That might be just enough property to get it turned around. 🤣🤣 it’s like they say go big or go home. 👍

    • @paulsumm1241
      @paulsumm1241 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I tend to agree you definitely need one as do I

    • @tr165eaglebsa4
      @tr165eaglebsa4 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Well I bought one for are 30 acres farm haha 😂

    • @bertilsonadam
      @bertilsonadam 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You must have one!

    • @joegotz1971
      @joegotz1971 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Plus I can drive it to work, it’s only 4 miles to the office. Country roads!

  • @victoriaseed505
    @victoriaseed505 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Last pert near new tractor was an ST325 that came to our farm with 60 hours in the spring of 1983. dad had bought a 55' wilrich field cultivator. it was a little big for the 1977 ST 270 with a 3306 SN 34. the hired man smoked the clutch on the 5th of may with half the crop to put in. we rented the ST325 to get done. dad went in to settle up on the bill in June and it was going to be cheaper to trade the 270 in for the 325 than to fix the 270 and pay the rent bill on the 325. So we kept the ST325 it was main service on the air seeder from 1983 to 2002 when we got our first 8850 Deere. Still have both the St325 and the 8850 but I farm now with two track Challenger tractors as they are more fuel efficient than case quad tracks.

  • @dougstierwalt1015
    @dougstierwalt1015 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Great history lesson Jason , thanks for featuring my PTA325!

    • @bigtractorpower
      @bigtractorpower  3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Thank you for sharing your PTA with BTP. It is such a great tractor and a rare one at that. Filming your PTA made this video possible.

    • @nellsonstout7001
      @nellsonstout7001 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you for allowing it to be featured so tractor nerds like me can enjoy it

  • @ZekenStreak
    @ZekenStreak 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    This was a very informative & interesting video. I tip my hat to you BTP!! for me Steiger is right up there with Versatile tractors. Thank you for this vid. Keep them coming! Take care & stay safe. Cheers

  • @brianschryver8314
    @brianschryver8314 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Was in the ol PT270 today getting the seed beds ready with the cultivator. Wiring keeps shaking loose all over, so it’s had a few improvised wiring jobs, but it still gets the job done.

  • @tealx2014
    @tealx2014 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Beautiful lime green!!!

  • @agentb35
    @agentb35 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    The old girl was scratching pretty good pulling that plow

    • @nellsonstout7001
      @nellsonstout7001 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Rantoul baby!

    • @nellsonstout7001
      @nellsonstout7001 ปีที่แล้ว

      It’s 2 years later and I’ve been to Rantoul for my first time. You wouldn’t believe how abused that ground is.

  • @DeBa1226
    @DeBa1226 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Man we had a Steiger in 1978, and that iron was a beast in the fields!

  • @travisgullickson5567
    @travisgullickson5567 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I could watch these all day. We had a Panther ST-325 with the Cat engine. Pulled a 60' JD field cultivator and sometimes planted flax with the Valmar granular spreader. Pretty easy to cover ground with that outfit.

  • @trevorheinrichs7794
    @trevorheinrichs7794 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Uncles had a PT270 Cougar. Learned how to use it in 1986. First big tractor I operated.

  • @General-Mayhem
    @General-Mayhem 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Good video!

  • @jaycow3154
    @jaycow3154 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Neighbors had a bearcat and cougar they bought new they were the biggest tractors around here for along time always liked the looks of those tractors

    • @bigtractorpower
      @bigtractorpower  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Steiger tractors really stood out when they were new. It was big time farming to have a Steiger.

  • @levistuck3960
    @levistuck3960 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Love those old machines

  • @chavellahudgins1271
    @chavellahudgins1271 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I like new tractors but don't see the older ones much and I enjoy seeing them

    • @bigtractorpower
      @bigtractorpower  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I like finding the classics to feature this.

  • @barrybush7884
    @barrybush7884 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Jason, thanks so much for this. Those Series III Steigers are the best looking tractors of all time.
    We had two on our (now defunct) dairy farm when I was growing up...a Panther with the automatic and a Bearcat with 3pt and PTO. They were awesome.
    The Bearcat sold at auction this summer. I tried like hell to buy it... but had to give up. It went for exactly the amount that I had stashed away. Buyers premium plus needed repairs (it was in disrepair) put it out of reach. I'm heartbroken about it.

    • @bigtractorpower
      @bigtractorpower  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you for sharing. That is a cool combo to have a PTA and a PT. The PTs are so rare. What pto implements did the Bearcat run?

    • @barrybush7884
      @barrybush7884 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@bigtractorpower
      The PTO implements the Bearcat ran were the manure spreader and it applied herbicide while it pulled the Landoll Tilloll 875 finishing tool. It could also occasionally be seen running the tub grinder. I can't remember if there was anything else it ran with the PTO. It was serial number one for 1980.
      The Panther also had a 6 - way blade on it for pushing silage and haylege.
      They were really wonderful tractors...I miss it all so much.
      Jason I'm going to email you about a toy Steiger... be looking for that.

  • @marksinn3173
    @marksinn3173 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The greatest 4wd tractors ever made

    • @bigtractorpower
      @bigtractorpower  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      😁👍👍

    • @nadz109
      @nadz109 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      The Cadillac of tractors

    • @nathanpike1908
      @nathanpike1908 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yep we have a 1977 steiger cougar 3 st251 she's a beast

  • @silasstedman7801
    @silasstedman7801 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thank you. Very informative!!!!

  • @jayjaygee3306
    @jayjaygee3306 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Grandpa had a Cougar, and a Cougar II back in the mid 80s, and I got to drive the Cougar II subsoiling and field cultivating when I was about 12 or 13 years old. Priceless memories. It was a beast for it's time and I loved running it!

  • @carlospinto1973
    @carlospinto1973 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hi BTP thank you for sharing the history class 👌🇵🇹🇵🇹

  • @straightpipeacres6365
    @straightpipeacres6365 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    We had a CP1360 painted like the very first quad tracks. That was a powerful old girl. Good video buddy!!

  • @noelhohberger1188
    @noelhohberger1188 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love learning about the Stiegers

  • @sidekick9409
    @sidekick9409 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I worked for a Steiger dealership in 1982-1984, Most of the tractors that was sold were the PTA-310 and one CP-1325

  • @SimonKL11
    @SimonKL11 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love to see steiger tractors👍😁 they are great sounding machines😉👍

  • @MowersFamilyFarm
    @MowersFamilyFarm 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    awesome tractor! love it

  • @chrisb_71
    @chrisb_71 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    We own 2. A PT225 Bearcat and a ST325 Panther. Both are retired now! The 225 was our seeding tractor for years and was eventually replaced with the ST325. The 225 pulled 40' of box drills and harrow packers. It also pulled a 40' cultivator with spikes for banding NH3. The ST325 eventually pulled a 40' air drill with a 300bu cart and a 1250gal NH3 wagon. Awesome tractors! Would like to buy a series III Tiger for a restoration project.

  • @markrskinner
    @markrskinner 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Here in the UK our neighbour had a Ford FW30. We could hear it working from well over a mile away.

  • @DancerOfClouds
    @DancerOfClouds 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Steiger and Big Bud, what else is there? Awesome video. I wonder how many are still in action. A whole lot I bet.

    • @bigtractorpower
      @bigtractorpower  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Steiger and Big Bud built tractors to last. 😁👍

  • @bobsmith1814
    @bobsmith1814 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Steiger tractors. Ultimate Classic tractors

  • @straightpipeacres6365
    @straightpipeacres6365 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    That Tiger at the start was just a scratching at the beginning hahahah. Awsome!! 👌

  • @mikeabresch3827
    @mikeabresch3827 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Love it great stream sir

  • @michaelkoop6731
    @michaelkoop6731 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That iron sounds great.

  • @tractoragriculture1352
    @tractoragriculture1352 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    wow 😳😳😍

  • @lifebehindacow5999
    @lifebehindacow5999 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Running an ST280 with 17000hrs. Pulls anything I need for dry land wheat. Still running the original motor and gears.

  • @NorthEastSaskFarmer
    @NorthEastSaskFarmer 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Grew up on a 1979 Ford Fw-30, had the pump turned up to 300hp (like an fw-40). Had crappy 20.8-34 tires on it, later upgraded to 20.8-38s. It was a very quiet and comfortable tractor, although the PT’s were substantially more difficult to service than the st Steigers.

  • @johnthompson4162
    @johnthompson4162 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This was a good video, only the Big Bud one was the best. Steiger holds a special place in my heart!!! They deserve more video time. No finer individual than Doug Steiger!!! Maybe you should interview him before he goes upward of course. JohnT.

    • @bigtractorpower
      @bigtractorpower  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      It would be an honor to meet Doug Steiger.

    • @GoldenSectionBanned
      @GoldenSectionBanned 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I used to custom harvest for a friend at Thief River Falls in the 1980’s and he was friends with the Steiger. I remember going to visit their farm one day. They were manufacturing their scrapers there then. One of his farm hands worked for Steigers during the winter welding their wood stoves they made.

  • @chiefwahoo1196
    @chiefwahoo1196 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I like the one with the patriotic paint scheme.

  • @Jorrie86
    @Jorrie86 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love all tractors fitted with CAT, Cummins or Detroit engines 😀👍

  • @slipperyslope8752
    @slipperyslope8752 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have a st251 cougar, I pull a 36.5 foot field cultivator in the spring and a 530 dmi ripper in the fall, I like I can repair it myself though it hasn't really needed much over the years.

    • @bigtractorpower
      @bigtractorpower  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Very nice set up for tillage. 😁👍👍

  • @nadz109
    @nadz109 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    The Cadillac of tractors

  • @sundarraj3660
    @sundarraj3660 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey Jason superb keep rocking
    And how many acres you have hold

  • @CKioxide
    @CKioxide 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Out here in Medical Lake, there's a guy running very similar Steiger

  • @mr.whatever2435
    @mr.whatever2435 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very nice👍

  • @johnbonas8080
    @johnbonas8080 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great and interesting video, as usual Jason.
    I could be wrong, but I believe that some of the Steiger that were painted blue and white as Fords, were also sold in Europe in orange and white as Fiats.

    • @bigtractorpower
      @bigtractorpower  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The European Fiat tractors were built by Versatile. Versatile tractors like the 975 and 950 etc. were sold in England through Fiat.

    • @johnbonas8080
      @johnbonas8080 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@bigtractorpower Thanks for the correct info Jason, I knew you would have the facts 👍

    • @bigtractorpower
      @bigtractorpower  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I hope to film a Fiat 4wd some day.

    • @johnbonas8080
      @johnbonas8080 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@bigtractorpower They are probably as rare as he's teeth.

    • @johnbonas8080
      @johnbonas8080 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      **hen's teeth**

  • @rickyjohnson4767
    @rickyjohnson4767 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome video like 4wheel drive tractor's

  • @kyleschies7345
    @kyleschies7345 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    We have 2 pta 270s and a pta 280, one of each still runs if we need them too, been on the farm since they were new in 81 and 82

    • @bigtractorpower
      @bigtractorpower  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Very cool. They are are rare tractors today.

  • @garydeweese8258
    @garydeweese8258 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    There is a stieger being used around Smith's grove ky on a construction site. Headed north on 65 you can see it from the rd sitting off in the field hooked to a pan. I look for it to be running every time my wife and I drive through

    • @bigtractorpower
      @bigtractorpower  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I have heard about that one. I think it is a 1000 series.

  • @jamesbarbour8400
    @jamesbarbour8400 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Jason, with regard to 'ST' and 'PT' designated Steiger tractors, I was of the impression that the former meant a wide frame tractor whereas the latter meant a narrow frame machine - is this not the case ?
    By the way, your videos are awesome ! Footage has always been great but now even better with drone input too. Your depth of research is what sets you apart, your stuff is always highly informative. Keep up the great work

    • @nellsonstout7001
      @nellsonstout7001 ปีที่แล้ว

      Correct, the PTAs had a narrow frame, apparently to fit down 30” rows without having adjustable axles (this coming from Steiger employees at the time,) and they could obviously have the hydraulic drive PTO

  • @ishkur1645
    @ishkur1645 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Meanest looking tractors

  • @interman7715
    @interman7715 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I always thought the safari cab was introduced in the 1000 seies .

  • @piperdoug428
    @piperdoug428 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    some day i'll have a blue n white one, lol.

  • @dustinlowry9075
    @dustinlowry9075 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Jason I was always fascinated with the Steiger tractors. I’ve seen pictures of a prototype Steiger with two front ends together as articulated tractor. Crazy looking. Jason great video 👍 Do you know if I can’t remember witch brother Doug or Maurice Steiger still living? Thank you

    • @bigtractorpower
      @bigtractorpower  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you for watching. The Panther Twin ST-650 was the prototype double Steiger. That would have been cool to see working in the field. Doug Steiger is still living. I think he is 96.

    • @dustinlowry9075
      @dustinlowry9075 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@bigtractorpower Jason that would be really cool to See. Wow!! Good for him.96 years old and to build a great tractor. For him to see them still building them today with that famous Steiger Name

    • @bigtractorpower
      @bigtractorpower  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      😁👍

  • @robschmidt9402
    @robschmidt9402 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I've got a Series 3 PTA280 that does tillage and dirt moving

    • @bigtractorpower
      @bigtractorpower  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Awesome. I am a PTA fan. Of the series III models PTA tractors are on the rare side.

  • @bruceallonby
    @bruceallonby 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    We still run a 9270 CaseIH built by Steiger with the 12 speed power shift coupled to an 855 Cummins. When my rime cimes, please bury me in this tractor.

  • @NorthEastSaskFarmer
    @NorthEastSaskFarmer 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Are you going to make a similar compilation for the other series of steiger? I’d love to see a compilation of series 1/2

    • @bigtractorpower
      @bigtractorpower  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes but I need to film them first. It’s harder to find Series I and 2 tractors. This video is a compilation of 5 years of filming. I hope that I can share 1, 2, 4 and 1000 series someday.

    • @NorthEastSaskFarmer
      @NorthEastSaskFarmer 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@bigtractorpower very cool! And I don’t doubt it, as the only videos I have ever seen of a series 1 and 2 actually in the field are from you

  • @decnijfkris3706
    @decnijfkris3706 ปีที่แล้ว

    Never heard of BIMA. The trend then was to go very big, Volvo and Mercedes did that too. Ford had a 12000. You don't hear from Poclain anymore. They delivered many cranes in my country.

  • @mattcraztex9940
    @mattcraztex9940 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The Old Iron is better then the New Iron. More classic, more variety. More Reliable before all the fancy electronic sensors and stuff that costs more to operate then its even worth.

    • @bigtractorpower
      @bigtractorpower  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      These tractors were built to last.

    • @mattcraztex9940
      @mattcraztex9940 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@bigtractorpower For sure. It's amazing after all these years, Even after a Factory like the IH Tractor Factory in Rock island the tractors built are still around today doing the work they were built to do. All these years later.

  • @danielsizer2222
    @danielsizer2222 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Do they ever let the tyres down a bit they look rock hard

    • @someolscrublord7587
      @someolscrublord7587 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah I think they are Firestone tube tires, they don’t have a great footprint

  • @wilsonandrade6246
    @wilsonandrade6246 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    👍👍👍

  • @jeffgroce9736
    @jeffgroce9736 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good history lesson . But gets a person to thinking . So how long did Ford stick with Stieger ?
    When did CIH buy out Stieger ?

    • @bigtractorpower
      @bigtractorpower  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ford and Steiger worked together from 1977 to 1982. In 1987 Ford squired Vetsatile. In 1986 Steiger became part of Case IH.

  • @Killercrock88
    @Killercrock88 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    🤤🤤🤤🤤😍😍😍😍😍

  • @paulofrancisco565
    @paulofrancisco565 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    👏👏👏💪💪💪🚜🚜🚜🇧🇷🇧🇷

  • @dirtfarmer7472
    @dirtfarmer7472 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That 1st 1 was pulling hard, slipping a little bit

  • @brianbauer7666
    @brianbauer7666 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Here because of whistlen

    • @bigtractorpower
      @bigtractorpower  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Very cool. Thank you for watching. I post a new video everyday.

  • @williammeyer4836
    @williammeyer4836 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is that my cousin Joe {DOEY} Meyer in that green steiger plowing with a 10-18 s IH plow up in Wayland New York ?

  • @nellsonstout7001
    @nellsonstout7001 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Was that Don Wathen running the ST-325 in the beginning? It wasn’t AJ and doesn’t look like chris

  • @Xkekeskfndsmw
    @Xkekeskfndsmw ปีที่แล้ว

    Which motor faired better in the Tiger III’s? The KTA or the 3408?

    • @nellsonstout7001
      @nellsonstout7001 ปีที่แล้ว

      Probably the KTA, I’ve heard the crankshafts were weak on the 3408 and would fail *IF TURNED UP.* there is a farm in Idaho that has ran 2 3408 tigers since new and doesn’t seem to have anything bad to say about them though.

  • @markwilson2424
    @markwilson2424 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    hay how about the old IH 4166

    • @bigtractorpower
      @bigtractorpower  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      It is on my wish to film. I grew up watching a 4166. It’s a neat tractor. It is hard to find these days.

  • @kkduncanson
    @kkduncanson 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Where does the Steiger Lion 1000 come in?

    • @bigtractorpower
      @bigtractorpower  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      The Lion 1000 was introduced in 1986 and became the Case International 9180 in 1987.

  • @saltymahero9898
    @saltymahero9898 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Look ! It's a Terex working on a farm stay lol.

  • @chavellahudgins1271
    @chavellahudgins1271 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    That's better

  • @lyndonwilliams268
    @lyndonwilliams268 ปีที่แล้ว

    Stage 3 with the catapilla v8

  • @tr165eaglebsa4
    @tr165eaglebsa4 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Okay so what is the difference between a steiger's cougar ST250 vs ST251?

    • @bigtractorpower
      @bigtractorpower  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I believe a Cummins and a Caterpillar engine. I hope to film both something.

    • @nellsonstout7001
      @nellsonstout7001 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      bigtractorpower you’re right. The 250 had a 3306 DITA and the 251 had an NT-855C. I guess since 250 was a popular horsepower option for both cat and cummins, they offered you a choice

  • @tomhogan264
    @tomhogan264 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I was part of a farm in Soda Spring I’d that had serial number 3 cougar . That was the first one to go to a dealer ,one and two were prototypes.we had red grille, the black cougar ll I think 4 then three panther ll,then tiger 470 with K T A ! Tom Hogan p o box 34 Malta Idaho 83342. 208 221-5567

  • @daltonrorex744
    @daltonrorex744 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey I'm the one with the 4440 I sent you a dm on Instagram scene my email won't work so if you could get back with me on that would be great

  • @bradolsen9981
    @bradolsen9981 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why did Steiger go out of business what happened do you know the story??

    • @bigtractorpower
      @bigtractorpower  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Steiger sold out to Tenneco in 1986. Tenneco was the parent company of Case IH. The reason Steiger could not operate independently anymore was because of a severe down turn in the agriculture economy in the early 1980’s. Grain prices were low, interest rates were high and severe droughts in several regions made things even worse. Many farms were forced to liquidate. Unfortunately this situation for not only Steiger but for International Harvester, Allis Chalmers, Versatile and White Farm Equipmemt lead to the sale of their company to larger companies.

  • @briankellogg7241
    @briankellogg7241 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I need one anyone selling any

    • @bigtractorpower
      @bigtractorpower  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Tractor House is a good place to search for Steigers.

  • @pepejuan781
    @pepejuan781 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Nice Steiger Tiger

  • @scruffy6151
    @scruffy6151 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    👍👍

    • @bigtractorpower
      @bigtractorpower  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you Scruffy.

    • @scruffy6151
      @scruffy6151 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@bigtractorpower you bet. Old or new brand does not matter. Just a old gearhead that likes equipment of all kinds.
      I don't like one channel better than any other everybody has there own style. That's the best part.