How can you say the Icom-7100 is all bell`s and no whistles, When as you state you never owned 1 ?. Maybe you should get your Friends to make Streaming Videos for you .
You might want to clear your ears son. I never said that, I also never implied it…. Maybe you should get your friends to watch videos with you so they can explain what you saw. Good lord man, at least get your short pants twisted up over something I actually said.
@@TheSmokinApe Wow. Enjoyed your presentation. Wondered why you were so defensive in presenting your recommendations, and now I know. Have some other hobbies but haven't encountered so many angry know-it-all cranky jerks as in amateur radio. Not sure why that is, but makes me wonder why I would want to contact them by radio cross country when I wouldn't walk across the street to chat with them. Fortunately a minority, though. Anyway am new if you hadn't guessed - passed Tech & Gen this week - and looking for shack in the box, antennas, cables, connectors, swr meter, software, everything. The Icom 7300 and Yaesu FT D10 were recommended to me by different experienced hams. Your presentation drove home that the 7300 isn't a shack in the box (I need to study specs better). Also older and possibly to be superseded soon? You're not the first I've heard talk about cumbersome menus with Yaesu radios. Even after getting through the learning curve, a tedious interface would continue to irritate on a daily basis. These radios are at about my price point but I could eke out a bit more if the radio fit the bill, but not able to double it. I could certainly wait a few months if Icom coming out with 7300 mod 1 or something, but really want to get set up. Any thoughts on a 100 watt shack in a box? I'll be studying your antenna videos also! Kind regards, John KK7JBZ
@@johnbauman4005 hey John. Really the only two 100w shack in the box options are the ic7100 and the 991a. Both are great radios with high followings, of the two Id likely pick the 991a.
If we are talking about used devices, then in my opinion the best radio is the one that is most convenient to buy. To simplify as much as possible, I would recommend choosing the first radio according to such characteristics: 1. 100W output power, 12V power supply. 2. Covers the entire amateur shortwave range (optional VHF, UHF) 3. It should not be a QRP device, not professional, not military, not controlled only from a computer. It should be a basic or mobile amateur device with a frequency adjustment knob. 4. It should contain the main types of radiation - SSB, CW, AM, FM (optional). These characteristics will give you everything you need to work on the air and allow you to immerse yourself in it without unnecessary difficulties.
Great video Ape! When my Kenwood TS-440 took a dump five years ago, I replaced it with a Yaesu FT-818. I was apprehensive at first about replacing a 100 watt radio with a QRP rig. It didn't take long to get over that. I found the 818 to be simple to use and fun to operate. One of my Elmers told me that even a cheap, basic radio connected to a really good antenna would perform well. The antenna was far more important than the features on the radio. A couple of years ago, I bought an FT-891. I love this radio too! Again, simple and fun to operate. Most of the radios on your list are RF emitting computers. Each one has their fanbase. Afterall, this hobby is based on personal preferences. The points you made in this video are valid and certainly useful to new hams getting into HF. Here is something else to consider. My FT-818 is fixed in my shack. I use the 891 as a portable rig (usually have it running at 50% power). Nothing is more satisfying than making a contact with a big buck 1000 watt station, rotating beam antenna, and filters out the Kazoo and have them tell me my signal is pegging their S-meter. Or with a 100 watt station that is as simple as mine. I maybe have $800 bucks invested in the radio, Z-817 tuner and MFJ OCF dipole antenna. I use a Chameleon MPAS 2.0 vertical antenna on the FT-891. With a digital signal processor, this rig can pick up a gnat fart in Siberia. Maybe your next video should be the 5 best HF antennas. Thanks again for sharing you knowledge and experience
Back in 2016 when I got my license, I bought a FT=991 (NOT A, It and the IC-7300 came later). I am still using the FT-991 and love it. It has been super reliable and easy to use. Thanks Yaesu. Great presentation.
Good video, Ape. Got into HF 18 months ago and after agonizing between the 7300 and the 991A, I went with the 7300. I found the radio VERY easy to navigate (especially with the help of TH-cam!) However, a few months ago I got a Yaesu FT891 which I also love for POTA. But I think having a year's worth of HF experience with the 7300 gave me the understanding and patience as to how to use 891.
I really wanted to get the 991A for HF/VHF/UHF capability - but so glad I ended up going with the FTDX-10 instead at the same price. So easy to use for this beginner. I was able to start working on the default settings and start using the filters and adjustments as I learned them. It has helped me learn how to operate better.
I just did the exact same thing this past weekend, but I did purchase the 991 and ate the loss when I returned it to my local HRO for the DX-10...my receive is vastly improved. With only being HF, it was easier to use. The interface and use on UHF and VHF with the 991 seems poor (or cheap / rushed) I felt that my icom 4100 (no color and being a "basic" radio when considering analog) was more enjoyable with a lower learning curve. I like my 7100, but I knew I would get a better radio when you don't get an all in one. The icom 7100 is now mobile / park rig as the 891 is now out of stock everywhere. I wanted the 891 to begin with, and ended up with something better but at double the cost for my base.
APE, you crack me up, I dig your humor and "inside jokes". Being a new ham, it is not initially obvious that the antenna really makes the "system" complete and this in my opinion is more important than the radio itself for just making contacts. Enjoying radio operating is an entirely different conversation. Great video thanks for being so thorough. 73
I totally agree, with a good antenna any of these radios will make contacts. With a bad antenna, well it’s going to be a long day. Thanks for checking out the video 👍
I had a 718 as a first HF radio and found it to be a solid performer even with limited filtering. With a Signalink it did digital very well. When deciding to upgrade I wanted a 7300 but at the time none were available. I finally decided on the FTdx-10 and have not been sorry. I also own a G90 and had some heat issues running FT8. I bought the XPA125B 100w amp for it and it runs about 70 to 80w out with 1w in. I'm not a fan of one radio for 70cm thru 160m but that's just me. Thanks for the reviews! Jack K5FIT
I got my license in April and picked up a gently used FT-991A for less than half retail price at the local hamfest later that month, and it's been great. I don't think the menu-driven aspects of the interface and control can be said to be a real "barrier to entry" anymore for any of us new hams under the age of 40, we are all pretty comfortable for the most part with using phones and computers and such so menu-driven radios are not scary or intimidating. If my Dad suddenly had a wild hair to try out ham radio it might be a different story...
Great video. I have both an FT-991 A and a Ft-801 and love them both. I pretty much agree with your assessments as a beginner radio. The only thing that I would add is that I would not recommend QRP (including 20w) for a beginner. 73s
The G90 is a great little radio for what it is. I've worked a boatload of FT8 DX with it. I've operated Field Day with it as well. It's no competition radio, but an adequate beginner / portable radio for POTA/SOTA. I also have a FT-891, and it's a good radio. IF you're new, and on a budget, maybe look at the IC-718.. general coverage Rx for exploring SW and easier to use all around as a HAM.
Well as a beginner ham I have the foundation License which is limited to 10W. Also I think as a beginner I have lower immediate expectations. A beginner is also going to be a beginner with making, deploying and tuning antennas. So I went with the G90 and I'm very happy with it. I have a lotw confirmed ft8 contact with the US and I'm in Western Australia so, yes that's awesome. One SSB contact 2770km to another state again very happy. I use a digirig and cables they supply for the g90 for digital modes and that works great too. Locally I've participated in a digital SSTV net on 40m using EasyPal. When I upgrade my license. The G90 will become the portable radio and and IC 7300 will be my main radio. Best Regards VK6MIK
Although discontinued The Yaesu FT-857D Was mt 1st rig as a Ham. Shack in a box upgradable filters.. I still use it for mobile applications with the Atas 120.. A firm favourite for me..
I recommend the IC-7100. I have one I use mobile and a second that is in the shack and goes portable. A color display is not required to make it a good radio.
Hey Mike. Totally agree, while it does have a bit of a price tag associated with it, the 7300 is a great radio for new folks and folks who have been around a while. Thanks for watching 👍
...as always, great information, Ape, and an interesting comparison for someone who doesn't know radios much (not you - me!) ...thanks, and 73! ...on the way to your antenna playlist next!😉
@@TheSmokinApe ...i got the FT-891: 1) because it was the cheapest 100w HF i saw, and 2) folks on e-ham were complaining about the difficulty of the menu, and i took that as a challenge🤣😂🤣...already had a BTECH UV5x3, so i didn't care about UHF/VHF..
I ordered an FTDX-10 today! I was leaning towards the FT-991A, but the external monitor port and 3D waterfall of the DX10 really sold me. I hope the complicated menu functions don’t ruin it for me…
I’m you crushed me on the xeigu radios. I was eyeballing both the 6100 and g90. Good review, I am still considering the g90, but we’ll see what’s available when I have the monies. You also confirmed my suspicions about “the cheap stuff”. I may get one when I have enough knowledge to have a compact ham bag.
Been a Ham since 1979 and Ya I think Ape completely missed the boat on the 718 when you consider new price 620.00 and used for 400.00. You could buy a nice Digital interface like Signalink or MFJ for 139.00 with cable and still be far under the 1,300 of a 991A or 7300! Add a nice Auto tuner for 150.00 and still have enough money for a good antenna. Not every beginner has 1,300 to blow on a whole station little lone a rig!
@@mewrongwayKOCXF good point! I support the Ape though, he’s put out a ton of great videos and he took on the unenviable task of picking the “top-5”. I mean, picking the top 5 of anything is gonna set folks on fire 🤣🤣🤣
@@530eman Yes I support him too! No pun intended but first he says the Xiglue is not a beginner radio but makes it 4th place, It has rit, agc and firmware issues. Its 20 watts. The 718 at 100w can be had for 620.00 new, not the 800 that Ape claims, maybe a bit of research is in order? Second the Xiglue is junk compared to the 718!!!!! A friend bought one from a popular dealer, radio stop powering up, dealer said send it to Xiglue, Xiglue wont respond to emails. Friend contacted 5 popular radio repair shops and none wanted to work on it!
Great video, I acquired a IC-718 for $200USD along with a few other 2m radios and antennas from someone getting out of the hobby and just wanted to sell all his stuff, was an amazing once in a life time deal. I just earned my General and have been getting comfortable with HF more each day and the IC718 is amazing, but does not have the soundcard built in. I added a mod to it so I can attach a SDR USB dongle which works ok but has some quirks. This video has made my next decision a little more clear on what radio to get. Thanks for taking the time. 73s
Well done Ape. I like these type videos. It's nice to have some information at hand to reference to. I think I'll always be a "beginner" so when some one does a vid like this it saves a lot of time tracking tracking down the info oneself!
Another great video, Ape. I appreciate your disciplined, thoughtful approach. Fuggedabout the detractors, no need to apologize in advance. As the great American poet T. Swift once said, "Haters gonna hate hate hate hate hate......" 😆
I would love to get that IC-705 just out of my price range. Lol however I an AnyTone AT-6666 for 10 meters and an AnyTone 578UV III Plus for 2 meters and 70 centimeters. What do you have agents Mississippi?
I agree with everything you said in this wonderful video. However, I would like to make a note about the Xiegu 6100. It has been out long enough now that it’s upgrades have brought it into a good working outstanding radio. If you have not reviewed it recently, I think you would be pleasantly surprised with it’s wonderful capabilities now. Yes I did buy it when it first came out was a little disappointed but now I am extremely happy with it with its new upgrades.
@@TheSmokinApe very excited to look at the 6200 but extremely disappointed when I found out that all you can get out is 8 W when I get 10 W out of my 6100. Truly, I like my G 90 cause I get 20 W and I really don’t need any more than that. But I hate to see them cut down the wattage of the 6200. I’m not really happy with Watts, but I’m very disappointed. They’re shaving the top of that 10 W and making it just 8. I’m sticking with my 6100.
Another comment if you don’t mind. First, let me again say there was an outstanding fantastic video you did. I’m talking about the 6100 Xiegu now. When I first bought it last year, I had high hopes for it. And sure enough it had problems. For example, you could not finetune it. That portion just did not work. But finally with the last upgrade, I have spent quite some time with the radio. Thank goodness because before when I bought it, I left in a box and wanted to spit on it every time I walked past. But after I made the last software upgrade it now has wonderful fine tuning and I actually was able to send Winlink over it with just a USB cable. I also did WSPR with it. And was able to find tune and do CW with it. It seems like the little box with its upgrade is coming into its own. So I think now if someone talks about it, they should first upgrade the 6100 with the latest firmware and find out that it is coming into its own. I really really like the 6100 now however there’s one thing I do not like. And that is the cheap rinky-dink tinny sound coming out of its speaker. But other than that, with a set of earbuds, I can hear it pretty clearly, and if I was to go portable and want to grab a quick radio that has an internal battery and yes, it has an internal antenna tuner I am giving second thoughts about it and may start carrying it whole lot more. With its internal battery and microphone on the front of it you can almost use it like a walkie-talkie. So the 6100 to me is coming around. I think it is considering putting in the top six at least. Because it can do all the digital modes. Finally, the fine-tuning works. So don’t discount that Xieugu x6100 anymore until you’ve done the last upgrade, the software, and I think you will be quite impressed.
Hey Doc. So here's the story, I was offered this radios at a considerable discount when it first hit the market. To me the whole thing smelled like the GSOC Xiegu released and was plagued with problems it never overcame. What this radio promised was way more than initially delivered, and I believe and still do, that Xiegu doesn't have have the engineering resources to develop and support radios like this. I know at times they have made continued and incremental improvements which is great. I would love to see more affordable alternatives for Hams. I'm glad to hear the 6100 is getting to a more usable place.
Very Interesting I use an FT897 an FT817 and an Venus SW-3 Band last two mainly portable find them Great amazing really but I Mainly use CW .. helps a LOT 73
I am a newish Ham and learn a lot from your channel. My FT-891 specs say it needs 13.8 volts + or - 15%. I use it almost exclusively portable and wonder if I should be careful not to let my battery get below 11.5 volts which is approx 15% below the stated 13.8? Can I damage the radio transmitting with low voltage?
Hi, my pick: FT-891 and FTM-300D. If you will stay in this hobby for a bit you will and up with multiple radios anyway. So why shack in the box? Why compromise? For the price of 991A you can get FT-891 and FTM-300D. Both best bang for your buck. For complete setup I recommend sg-230/CG-3000 antenna coupler (smartuner). Much better than build-in one. Thanks for the video. 73!
Hey Jonasz, Some people go the route. For example, new hams will often get a dual bander VHF/UHF and then later get a HF radio which means no need for the Shack in a Box.
I've had my ticket for less than a year and I looked at all of the radios on this list. I went with the IC-7100 because I felt it was the best radio for ME and I have no complaints. Your analysis is quite fair, but as LC mentioned, the price is higher now.
@@TheSmokinApe I started out with the Alinco DX70TH, then saved my money for the Icom 7000 after that was on the market for a while, then saved again for the 7300...baby steps 😂
Do you think that in the future there will be other all-band & all-modes radios, or will the 991a be the last of its kind in this price range? It feels like there is no interest in manufacturing HF+VHF+UHF radios. Is it a business model decision or are there technical challenges or compromises in making such radios? I am looking for my first HF radio but am frustrated by the lack of shack in the box options as I want 2m and 70cm as well ..
Bought my first HF right on ebay! Its an Icom 735, I got a ps55 power supply to go with it, and an AH2 auto antenna tuner, all for just under $600! Can't wait to get on 20m with it! 73!
I know this is random but I’m very new to ham and hf radios and need some help on what items to use and start out with. Say, I wanted to reach someone 600+ Miles away using a ham radio. What is everything that I would need to use and buy in order to do so? Please send links to any recommendations.
Spot on analysis of the radios that I have owned, the Yaesu FT-991A and FT-891. Got rid of the 991A due to the disappointing waterfall... and the menu system drove me nuts. I recently purchased the Xiegu X6100 and all the points you make on that radio I agree with as well, however it does have features not found on any radio in that price category. If the wait weren't so long for an Elecraft KX2, I wouldn't have even looked at the Xiegu. To your point, I couldn't recommend the x6100 to a new ham. The fact that they use their customers as beta testers is ridiculous. After all who do they think they are Microsoft?? - LOL - Great informative video for the newcomer... Thanks !!!
Hey bud!....them's some fighting' words there putting those radios head to head and in the line up you did....LOL. Nah. Actually a very good video. a lot of thought regarding newbies and considering things someone getting started would not be aware of or be frustrated with. I'm no expert and am learning every day. Fortunately or unfortunately TH-cam is my Elmer and I do appreciate you and others putting the time in and providing your insight. I ended up with the 991a and question that every other day. Its a great radio but that 7300 is calling. Not one issue or negative with the 991a but how much better is that other radio!?! time will help me. I just ordered an 891 a. because I just want one and b. because "portable" mounted in my vehicle seems very cool for a 100w radio driving down the road. Oh, only to have an unlimited budget...LOL. Thanks Ape! 72 ( and 72 because I owe you one) ;-) 73 implied!
Haha, thanks for watching Keng. I have to tell you I went with the 7300 and there have been a few times where I wonder what would have happened if I got the 991a.
G90 was my first hf radio and within a few months I UPGRADED to the 891. I POTA regularly and the 100 watts is always the star of the show even with a 705 on scene. QRP is a bad choice for beginners. 7300 can be the queen
Hey Nick, I tend to pretty much agree with what you are saying. I do think that with the help of a good Elmer most folks would be just fine with the G90/705 and good antenna. I don't think you will hear anyone say that 100w doesn't make a huge difference.
Fantastic video! I was wondering if you could tell me which antennas you used on the G90? I am new to the hobby. I got my General ticket in January and my Extra about six weeks ago, was KD2UGX now AD2EH. I am leaning towards portable gear due to space restrictions in the house and wanting to get outside and get involved in POTA, Have read some good things about the MPAS Lite. Seems pretty versatile and not as fiddly as other antennas with loading coils that you have to tune. Any guidance would be most welcome. Pete
Hey Peter. Here is a portable video I did with the g90, I mostly use end fed wire antennas: th-cam.com/video/30F8KNs8LJc/w-d-xo.html. here is another video I did on end fed antennas: th-cam.com/video/Fu-HubyHP3Q/w-d-xo.html
I did buy the IC-705 as my first HF rig, shortly after passing the General exam last year (I do need to get on the stick about the Extra exam). My reasons were twofold. First, I'm most interested in portable operations on voice and digital (including CW). The 705 wraps all of that up into one neat box. Second, my HOA sucks for radio. It's not about restrictions on antennae. It's due to both the structure and the location of the building. We're apartment condos in a 5-story building. My cell phone doesn't work in parts of my unit. SiriusXM drops out on the street along the north side of the building. I'm on the 2nd floor and even from my balcony, I can't make myself heard on my club's VHF repeater, which is less than three miles away. I'm 100% portable operations, though one of these nights, I'll string my EFHW from my balcony down to the clubhouse roof and see what happens: the pool and spa are out there, and I don't want someone to reach up and touch the antenna at an inopportune time. Rather than heed the conventional wisdom not to go QRP for the first HF rig, I simply set my expectations accordingly. 73 de KN6NPZ
I dig all your recommended radios (But also dig the (tr)uSDX), unlike the G90 the menus stink but I dig it's capability). I'm a beginner and won the G90 (and all accessories) in a raffle from HVDN. I love this radio, and it's easy to use . For some odd reason I dig being able to operate at the lowest power possible. Anytime I operate on SSB I operate at 5W and have made a butt load of contacts to USA west coast and Eastern Europe. For my one year plus ham radio life, I've been a Yaesu fan boy, but I think my next radio will be a shack in the box QRP ICOM. I hear great menu navigation from ICOM. I don't intend to buy a new rig for a long time. I'll wait till supply chain gets normal. BTW I love your impressions … :)
Thanks for the info. I’m looking to get my technicians license soon and have been watching a lot of your videos. I’m really interested in the 10 meter band and am looking for a basic radio just for that band. As a teenager I and my friends would talk (illegally) on a HW-101 we had built and I really got hooked on hunting for distant stations. My question is why do t any of the big 3 make a one band 10 meter radio? I will probably start with one of the export radios due to a limited budget but I would rather spend a little for a better radio
@@TheSmokinApe Now, my 746 died. But got my FD/POTA 703+ with RM 100w amp. Not up to the newer stuff. But can get me onto the Texas and 7290 nets. I am more into nets. So I can take my time for a replacement. I am more interested in a 7300 in a 706/7000 package.
My first HF radio was a uBitx. Did I like it? Hell yes! But I'm very technically trained, so I could understand its flaws and work around it. My 7300 is much more friendly!
You’re that guy! When I put that on the slide I was thinking of my good friend Stan, and there’s no way he’s using that. As always, thanks for watching Rafael 👍
@@TheSmokinApe I am one continent shy of WAC, but all 4 continents on FT8 on a uBitx. I would NEVER recommend that for a beginner. It is masochistic! 😂😂
Fantastic video. But I would like to add one little thing in case the people watching this video kind of missed it. The Icom 705 does not have an internal antenna tuner. Let me repeat that NO ANTENNA TUNER on the 705 icom. Thanks for letting me get that off my chest. Because I was interested in that 705, I mean, I really liked it until I saw that it did not have an internal antenna tuner for all that money they want for it. but to me Icom fell on there qrp faces when they left the antenna tuner out of the 705. I have several radios. I have the Icom 7300. If you can afford it get it you’ll never regret it. But I also have the. Xiegu G 90. And for portability and affordability I just love it, and it’s internal antenna tuner is so good I believe it could even tuneup a head of cabbage. Thanks for letting me get that off my chest it’s something that has just been sticking in my craugh every time I hear about that 705 that they want so much dad blasted money for an left out the antenna tuner. It really irritates me they did that.
Hey Doc. Agreed, it would be a lot cooler if it had a tuner. I have the 7300 and added an external tuner and had the g90 which had a fantastic tuner. It's important for folks to be reasonably educated about that they are buying and how they will want to use it, that's why I make videos like this. I appreciate your comment because it adds real world context, thank you 👍
Could you offer advice on how to tell if a radio from Japan or China is for U.S. operation.(bandplan). I lost my Icom 718 and my G90 (great radio for me) due to flooding . Unfortunately cannot afford a Brand new radio so it will be an eBay purchase (gamble).
Hi, What would you recommend as a good hiking radio for 2023, within Xiegu X6100 price range and similar weight? I am considering Xeigu because builtin battery, antenna box and small size as well as not terrible weight. Weight is the most important factor for me, so most HF sets just don't make it. Should I look somewhere else for alternatives ? It appears lots of people are skeptical about Xiegu and some love it. So I am not quite sure now :)
Thanks, I noticed that there is very little difference in price (like $50 where I live) between new Xeigus X5105 and X6100. But maybe second hand would do it.
I know this is an old video but you said something that I thought was interesting. You said for the first five years you were licensed you did not do HF. I'm curious to what exactly you did with Amateur Radio? I'm think its a good idea. I think I will learn APRS, play around with satellites and then save money for a good HF radio. That way I do not spend money on something that I will outgrow or is not good quality. Enjoy you videos. 73.
There is no doubt that using 100w makes getting contacts easier than using 5w or less, I am pretty sure that's where that advice comes from. While we call the G90 a "QRP" radio it's 20w and the 705 can run 10w without amplification. TH-cam is filled with videos (In the even proof is needed) where folks are using 705's and G-90's to make contacts, many were when the solar cycle was lower. With a good antenna, some patience and a basic understanding or propagation I really don't see a problem.
@@TheSmokinApe I'm a computer geek that sees very little need for digital in an HF rig. Want? Not really. I have plenty of "digital devices I carry in my pocket already. ,My "Smart Phone"! Too many different proprietory systems and types. It's like all the different computers you could buy in the early 1990s...Digital Ham is still stuck there screwing around like WE did with incompatible bulletin boards @dial-up "speeds,". To me, the FT891 is a best buy all around. Rugged, great power, compact. Menus aren't a problem. I don't fiddle with any distraction while driving anyway. I pull over for that USB port if you need it later on for digital add ons. I have a reason to use a separate 2m/440 anyway...My lowily Quad Band QYT 7900D does a great job for me mobile wise in that regard. Cheap, and with two of them, can make a great cross band very small repeator If I want to enjoy digital at all, I can simply download a FREE APP like Echolink to my phone. I 'd rather spend my time learning code than fiddling around with a play pretty, Rube Goldburg , UNUSABLE after a disaster, "toy"...YES, I said it...TOY. Personally, I'd rather buy an FT 891 in a Faraday-like Go Case and have a legacy tube 10-80 in the shack
@@TheSmokinApe It’s not the price, but the fact that it’s an SDR and would be trivial to add. Hell I would almost bet it has a USB interface implemented on one of it’s ICs already
@@MontegaB when you do cat control it’s over USB to the device head, same for firmware updates excepts you have to firmware update the body via USB as well. The audio in and out is via a DIN port on the body.
@@TheSmokinApe It's not even a "Ninety-Nine...NINETY NINE" radio to me now. Find a legacy, tube 10 to 80m for the shack and an 891 with 3 year warranty for the go. Can be done for a couple hundred under a grand if you shop carrful
I had a TenTec Century 21 in the 1981 timeframe, 50W input with about 20-Watts out on 10 meters and I did WAS, WAC, and DXCC CW in about 18-months in the early 80's. Kids today need high tech gear, but I did fine with this and my old tube radios, LOL. 73, Dave, KU9L PS -If they get upset with what you say they need to get a new hobby and leave the Happy Hams alone, LOL.
If I were getting started today I'd have gotten a separate HF radio and mobile dual band radio. You can get a lot of VHF/UHF radio for a tiny amount of money and the 2m and 70cm bands seem to just be bolted on to most shack in the box stuff for less than $1k. Having a good HF radio that does HF well without the added cost of 2m and 70cm bits and pieces would have been nice. I'm currently frustrated by my HF and 2m radios being the same radio. I can't do something like running a 2m digipeater and js8 on HF at the same time. Spending $200 on a mobile dual band radio and $600ish dollars for a decent 160-10 HF rig would have been better than the ft857d I got when I started.
So I kind of agree, it’s just some love tue shack in the box. For example, I really like that my 705 is all band all mode and I and totally happy with my 7300 which is 160-6.
The 705 is one of the radios that earns it's price with a crazy amount of features. It's the primary cause of my "less than $1k" qualification. If I had the money I'd buy the 705 and damn the multitasking :)
Woof. Those prices. I just picked up a couple Baofengs for emergency use. I was thinking, what else is out there? Yeah, as a beginner, $500 plus is a non-starter. Around $200-300 is what I could justify. I know these have a crazy amount of tech in them and are ruggedly built which is why they cost so much. I just remember walking through AES Ham in MKE 20 years ago and everything behind glass and on the back counter going wooow, neat. Just need to win the lottery to get a good radio. Back to my Baofengs and SDRs. ;) BTW, I'm not trying to be negative about your video, these are just my impressions of equipment costs and whatnot. 20 years ago I got in to cars. Entry was a $2,500 Ford Contour. If it had been a $40k Mercedes...yeah, I wouldn't have gotten in to cars either, I'd have stuck with a bicycle.
My buddy loves his 7100 he has a remote box which allows him to run his head unit remote to his shack where he has the rest of the rig. Think he uses remote rig hardware. At his shack he has two palstar la1k amps into combiner to give him legal output. Plus he uses his dipole and sounds like he’s in the room with ya. Surprisingly he can run it all from internet switches to power on/off his amps, tuner and even a relay to send his antenna connections to ground. Check out his qrz W2MUR
@@TheSmokinApe OK sure thing... the band limits in Australia might be different to those in the U.S. I need to check... I may license on both sides of the pond I spend about half my time between the two.
You don't mention the Yaesu 857D, Shack in a box. 160m to 70cms except 4m. 100 watts on HF. So good there are few on the used market but if you can find one grab it before the seller changes his mind.
I don’t disagree but that was the criteria for the video. If someone buys a broken used radio from a rip off artist and then needs to buy another did they really save money?
I was just about to complain about you not giving the 7300 enough love. Jokes aside, I know you love you some Linux. I’ve still yet to be able to make a single QSO with either FT8 or JS8. I use Linux Mint in the shack.
Well done. You know I am a 7100 fan boy, but I think this list is accurate. Sadly I don't think you can get it as inexpensively as you mentioned anymore. I really wish I had two or three of them. It too does 2M SSB like you mentioned for "Chuck's" Yaesu. I think you hit it on the head with the need for 100 Watts for beginning radios, I really like my FT-818, but it is a more difficult tool to use.
Howdy LC, I was thinking about you when I was recording that. I almost got one a few years ago and the opportunity passed. I do think they are really good radios. Thanks for watching 👍
Thanks for making this video. I would have considered myself a beginner. Now I’m not sure. I thought a beginner was someone who was just getting into HAM and looking to get their first radio. That’s where I am. It’s hard to justify paying between $400 and $1400 for a radio (not to mention all the other stuff you will need) to test out a new hobby that you may or may not stick with. Maybe this video was for the beginner who has already tested the water with something cheaper and knows they are going to continue this hobby but lacks the experience for a more complicated radio. Are there any less expensive options to get some sort of working setup which may not have the greatest of features but that might have just enough to allow you to experience amateur radio and carry you to a point where you feel like you can justify spending into the thousands of dollars to continue?
Hey Tex, thanks for the question. Let me start with this, I have been a ham for about eight years (I think), I make videos on youtube to help people learn about Ham Radio, I even have an antenna instructional series on the ARRL Learning Network... AND I still consider myself a beginner. There is just some much to learn and do, I have a hard time believe anyone is an expert at it all. That said, I think these are some of the best radios for beginners... i.e. people who are exploring with HF Ham Radio. Yes there are less feature rich and cheaper radios with questionable quality that you could get OR you could build a kit or maybe only work CW but that isn't going to give you a rounded experience and view into Ham Radio. In fact it could lead you into a frustrating experience that tunes you off from Ham Radio. I wouldn't hate on a new ham for buying what made sense to them at the time and I would try to help them if they asked, but in terms of recommending what I think might be "best", it's this list. Thanks for watching 👍
@@TheSmokinApe Thanks for the reply. I definitely have some things to think about. Maybe I’ll start buying some of the other items I will need and get the radio once I have all of that.
@@TheSmokinApe I have done nothing yet. I know a couple of people who are amateur radio operators but unfortunately I have lost contact with both of them over time. I will look into the things you have mentioned so that I can get started doing something.
Kick butt vid. Getting my general soon moving from tech wth HT. Will the 705 with its low power make a good shack hf rig? I want to do digital and portable in addition to shack
Hey Matt, glad you liked the video. While I think the 705 is fantastic you would be better off with 100w in the shack. You could pair an amplifier with the 705 if you have extra budget.
I dont know. Im a relatively new ham and I have no interest in digital modes.I have the impression that in true SHTF digital modes will not be very commonly used or effective other than winlink. I would not touch a Xeigu radio. The 891 or7100 are great radios along with the 991 and 705 706.The 5100 is a very good dual band radio though it has a pretty deep group of features that beginners may find to be a bit much. When I finally printed out the real manual, not the one that was in the box it filled a binder with around 250 pages. A bit much when many simply want to hit the local repeater. I programmed every states repeaters est of the MS onto the memory card making my frequent road trips interesting.
I ow two Icom 7100. only used mine on VHF and UHF SSB so far. Barelyscratched the surface of their capabilities. I'v owned two Icom 718s. They are straightforward radios to use. But, everything is extra, DSP, and single filter set me back almost three hundred quid ten years ago. The DSP seem barely worth it. Th narrow filter for CW was good enough. I did buy the "one board" adaptor which gave you better SSB filter whilst you kept your CW filter. Disliked that the output power could only be adjusted in the menus. Used it for several years to drive a 70 mhz transverter, but it could have been handy if it had had FM. Not a bad radio but there are others that give you more bang for your buck.
Hey Radiosnail. You make a great point that many don't consider when buying a radio, there are often expensive add-on components that raise the price of equipment beyond what was originally budgeted.
How can you say the Icom-7100 is all bell`s and no whistles, When as you state you never owned 1 ?. Maybe you should get your Friends to make Streaming Videos for you .
You might want to clear your ears son. I never said that, I also never implied it…. Maybe you should get your friends to watch videos with you so they can explain what you saw. Good lord man, at least get your short pants twisted up over something I actually said.
@@TheSmokinApe I just watched. Sorry Paul but you're wrong.
@@TheSmokinApe Wow. Enjoyed your presentation. Wondered why you were so defensive in presenting your recommendations, and now I know. Have some other hobbies but haven't encountered so many angry know-it-all cranky jerks as in amateur radio. Not sure why that is, but makes me wonder why I would want to contact them by radio cross country when I wouldn't walk across the street to chat with them. Fortunately a minority, though.
Anyway am new if you hadn't guessed - passed Tech & Gen this week - and looking for shack in the box, antennas, cables, connectors, swr meter, software, everything.
The Icom 7300 and Yaesu FT D10 were recommended to me by different experienced hams. Your presentation drove home that the 7300 isn't a shack in the box (I need to study specs better). Also older and possibly to be superseded soon?
You're not the first I've heard talk about cumbersome menus with Yaesu radios. Even after getting through the learning curve, a tedious interface would continue to irritate on a daily basis.
These radios are at about my price point but I could eke out a bit more if the radio fit the bill, but not able to double it. I could certainly wait a few months if Icom coming out with 7300 mod 1 or something, but really want to get set up.
Any thoughts on a 100 watt shack in a box? I'll be studying your antenna videos also!
Kind regards,
John
KK7JBZ
@@johnbauman4005 hey John. Really the only two 100w shack in the box options are the ic7100 and the 991a. Both are great radios with high followings, of the two Id likely pick the 991a.
@@TheSmokinApe Thanks so much! Off to compare specs and perform due diligence on the 991a!
Happy Thanksgiving!
73, KK7JBZ
If we are talking about used devices, then in my opinion the best radio is the one that is most convenient to buy. To simplify as much as possible, I would recommend choosing the first radio according to such characteristics:
1. 100W output power, 12V power supply.
2. Covers the entire amateur shortwave range (optional VHF, UHF)
3. It should not be a QRP device, not professional, not military, not controlled only from a computer. It should be a basic or mobile amateur device with a frequency adjustment knob.
4. It should contain the main types of radiation - SSB, CW, AM, FM (optional).
These characteristics will give you everything you need to work on the air and allow you to immerse yourself in it without unnecessary difficulties.
I would agree that, thanks for the comment!
Great video Ape! When my Kenwood TS-440 took a dump five years ago, I replaced it with a Yaesu FT-818. I was apprehensive at first about replacing a 100 watt radio with a QRP rig. It didn't take long to get over that. I found the 818 to be simple to use and fun to operate. One of my Elmers told me that even a cheap, basic radio connected to a really good antenna would perform well. The antenna was far more important than the features on the radio. A couple of years ago, I bought an FT-891. I love this radio too! Again, simple and fun to operate. Most of the radios on your list are RF emitting computers. Each one has their fanbase. Afterall, this hobby is based on personal preferences. The points you made in this video are valid and certainly useful to new hams getting into HF.
Here is something else to consider. My FT-818 is fixed in my shack. I use the 891 as a portable rig (usually have it running at 50% power). Nothing is more satisfying than making a contact with a big buck 1000 watt station, rotating beam antenna, and filters out the Kazoo and have them tell me my signal is pegging their S-meter. Or with a 100 watt station that is as simple as mine. I maybe have $800 bucks invested in the radio, Z-817 tuner and MFJ OCF dipole antenna. I use a Chameleon MPAS 2.0 vertical antenna on the FT-891. With a digital signal processor, this rig can pick up a gnat fart in Siberia.
Maybe your next video should be the 5 best HF antennas. Thanks again for sharing you knowledge and experience
That’s awesome man, glad to hear the Yeasu’s are working out so well for you 👍
Back in 2016 when I got my license, I bought a FT=991 (NOT A, It and the IC-7300 came later). I am still using the FT-991 and love it. It has been super reliable and easy to use. Thanks Yaesu. Great presentation.
Yaesu does make a good radio, thanks for watching Kenneth!
The "Expert Opinion" is spot on! Thanks Ape.
Haha, thanks Bob 👍
Good video, Ape. Got into HF 18 months ago and after agonizing between the 7300 and the 991A, I went with the 7300. I found the radio VERY easy to navigate (especially with the help of TH-cam!) However, a few months ago I got a Yaesu FT891 which I also love for POTA. But I think having a year's worth of HF experience with the 7300 gave me the understanding and patience as to how to use 891.
No doubt the experience helps. Thanks for checking out the video Don!
Don Z, I like Yaesu Radios have to agree that 891 is hard to use, I think the 857 is a lot easier.
I really wanted to get the 991A for HF/VHF/UHF capability - but so glad I ended up going with the FTDX-10 instead at the same price. So easy to use for this beginner. I was able to start working on the default settings and start using the filters and adjustments as I learned them. It has helped me learn how to operate better.
Thats great Matthew, I almost put the DX10 on the list but I the the 710 will be more beginner friendly. Thanks for checking it out 👍
That is exactly what I did as well. Went for the 991A and saw the ftdx10 for almost the same price.
I just did the exact same thing this past weekend, but I did purchase the 991 and ate the loss when I returned it to my local HRO for the DX-10...my receive is vastly improved. With only being HF, it was easier to use. The interface and use on UHF and VHF with the 991 seems poor (or cheap / rushed) I felt that my icom 4100 (no color and being a "basic" radio when considering analog) was more enjoyable with a lower learning curve. I like my 7100, but I knew I would get a better radio when you don't get an all in one. The icom 7100 is now mobile / park rig as the 891 is now out of stock everywhere. I wanted the 891 to begin with, and ended up with something better but at double the cost for my base.
@@stevet7522 Did you end up getting the ftdx10? How do you find it?
@@ohaya1 fantastic. N4HNH TH-cam channel has a good series of videos on all the settings and what-not.
APE, you crack me up, I dig your humor and "inside jokes".
Being a new ham, it is not initially obvious that the antenna really makes the "system" complete and this in my opinion is more important than the radio itself for just making contacts. Enjoying radio operating is an entirely different conversation. Great video thanks for being so thorough. 73
I totally agree, with a good antenna any of these radios will make contacts. With a bad antenna, well it’s going to be a long day. Thanks for checking out the video 👍
Thanks. I have had most of these radios and still own more of them than I should. I agreed on most of your statements. Thanks again
Glad you liked it, thanks for watching Alvin 👍
I had a 718 as a first HF radio and found it to be a solid performer even with limited filtering. With a Signalink it did digital very well. When deciding to upgrade I wanted a 7300 but at the time none were available. I finally decided on the FTdx-10 and have not been sorry. I also own a G90 and had some heat issues running FT8. I bought the XPA125B 100w amp for it and it runs about 70 to 80w out with 1w in. I'm not a fan of one radio for 70cm thru 160m but that's just me. Thanks for the reviews! Jack K5FIT
Thanks for checking it out Jack!
I got my license in April and picked up a gently used FT-991A for less than half retail price at the local hamfest later that month, and it's been great. I don't think the menu-driven aspects of the interface and control can be said to be a real "barrier to entry" anymore for any of us new hams under the age of 40, we are all pretty comfortable for the most part with using phones and computers and such so menu-driven radios are not scary or intimidating. If my Dad suddenly had a wild hair to try out ham radio it might be a different story...
I don’t disagree, but the menus are quite formidable…. Lol
Couldnt agree more!
Great video. I have both an FT-991 A and a Ft-801 and love them both. I pretty much agree with your assessments as a beginner radio. The only thing that I would add is that I would not recommend QRP (including 20w) for a beginner. 73s
Fair point, thanks for watching and for the comment.
The G90 is a great little radio for what it is. I've worked a boatload of FT8 DX with it. I've operated Field Day with it as well. It's no competition radio, but an adequate beginner / portable radio for POTA/SOTA.
I also have a FT-891, and it's a good radio.
IF you're new, and on a budget, maybe look at the IC-718.. general coverage Rx for exploring SW and easier to use all around as a HAM.
Totally agree with your assessment on the G90 and great point about the 718!
Great presentation of practical and reasonably priced radios.
Thanks Molson, I appreciate you checking it out 👍
Well as a beginner ham I have the foundation License which is limited to 10W.
Also I think as a beginner I have lower immediate expectations.
A beginner is also going to be a beginner with making, deploying and tuning antennas.
So I went with the G90 and I'm very happy with it. I have a lotw confirmed ft8 contact with the US and I'm in Western Australia so, yes that's awesome. One SSB contact 2770km to another state again very happy. I use a digirig and cables they supply for the g90 for digital modes and that works great too. Locally I've participated in a digital SSTV net on 40m using EasyPal.
When I upgrade my license. The G90 will become the portable radio and and IC 7300 will be my main radio.
Best Regards VK6MIK
Hey Michael, thanks for sharing. I am glad to hear that the G-90 is working out well for you!
My first rig is a Yaesu Ft-710 in '23 as new ham. Good review, Thanks. 73
Welcome to the hobby Ken 👍
Although discontinued The Yaesu FT-857D Was mt 1st rig as a Ham. Shack in a box upgradable filters.. I still use it for mobile applications with the Atas 120.. A firm favourite for me..
I wish I had gotten one back in the day. They are too expensive now, and you don't know the condition 😔
I recommend the IC-7100. I have one I use mobile and a second that is in the shack and goes portable. A color display is not required to make it a good radio.
I have the ICOM 7300 and love it. New to HF and it is very easy to find your way around the different options and screens
Hey Mike. Totally agree, while it does have a bit of a price tag associated with it, the 7300 is a great radio for new folks and folks who have been around a while. Thanks for watching 👍
...as always, great information, Ape, and an interesting comparison for someone who doesn't know radios much (not you - me!) ...thanks, and 73! ...on the way to your antenna playlist next!😉
Hey AH, glad you liked it! Thanks for watching 👍
@@TheSmokinApe ...i got the FT-891: 1) because it was the cheapest 100w HF i saw, and 2) folks on e-ham were complaining about the difficulty of the menu, and i took that as a challenge🤣😂🤣...already had a BTECH UV5x3, so i didn't care about UHF/VHF..
Great review!! Thank you for taking the time.
Anytime Edgardo, glad you liked it 👍
I ordered an FTDX-10 today! I was leaning towards the FT-991A, but the external monitor port and 3D waterfall of the DX10 really sold me. I hope the complicated menu functions don’t ruin it for me…
You will be fine, and there are tons of good videos showing how to do stuff 👍
I’m you crushed me on the xeigu radios. I was eyeballing both the 6100 and g90. Good review, I am still considering the g90, but we’ll see what’s available when I have the monies.
You also confirmed my suspicions about “the cheap stuff”. I may get one when I have enough knowledge to have a compact ham bag.
I’d take the g90 over the 6100 👍
@@TheSmokinApe hah thanks for responding in this old ass video. I will definitely take that into consideration. After all, the g90 made the list.
FT-817/8 didn't make the cut! Peter VK3YE won't be happy! TO won't be happy about the X6100 lol. Great info Ape as always, well done.
Haha, hopefully he doesn’t see this one 👀
Great show, thanks for “going there”
My first was/is the ICOMM 718, love it especially as a noob…🤙🏻
Hey Eman, thanks for checking it out 👍🍻
Been a Ham since 1979 and Ya I think Ape completely missed the boat on the 718 when you consider new price 620.00 and used for 400.00. You could buy a nice Digital interface like Signalink or MFJ for 139.00 with cable and still be far under the 1,300 of a 991A or 7300! Add a nice Auto tuner for 150.00 and still have enough money for a good antenna. Not every beginner has 1,300 to blow on a whole station little lone a rig!
@@mewrongwayKOCXF good point! I support the Ape though, he’s put out a ton of great videos and he took on the unenviable task of picking the “top-5”. I mean, picking the top 5 of anything is gonna set folks on fire 🤣🤣🤣
@@530eman Yes I support him too! No pun intended but first he says the Xiglue is not a beginner radio but makes it 4th place, It has rit, agc and firmware issues. Its 20 watts. The 718 at 100w can be had for 620.00 new, not the 800 that Ape claims, maybe a bit of research is in order? Second the Xiglue is junk compared to the 718!!!!! A friend bought one from a popular dealer, radio stop powering up, dealer said send it to Xiglue, Xiglue wont respond to emails. Friend contacted 5 popular radio repair shops and none wanted to work on it!
Great video, I acquired a IC-718 for $200USD along with a few other 2m radios and antennas from someone getting out of the hobby and just wanted to sell all his stuff, was an amazing once in a life time deal. I just earned my General and have been getting comfortable with HF more each day and the IC718 is amazing, but does not have the soundcard built in. I added a mod to it so I can attach a SDR USB dongle which works ok but has some quirks. This video has made my next decision a little more clear on what radio to get. Thanks for taking the time. 73s
That is a heck of a deal. Glad it was helpful Eric.
Well done Ape. I like these type videos. It's nice to have some information at hand to reference to. I think I'll always be a "beginner" so when some one does a vid like this it saves a lot of time tracking tracking down the info oneself!
Howdy Andy! Glad you liked it.
Another great video, Ape. I appreciate your disciplined, thoughtful approach. Fuggedabout the detractors, no need to apologize in advance. As the great American poet T. Swift once said, "Haters gonna hate hate hate hate hate......" 😆
LOL @ T. Swift! Thanks for watching Alan
Great info. Thanks for taking the time to make the video.
Glad it was helpful!
I would love to get that IC-705 just out of my price range. Lol however I an AnyTone AT-6666 for 10 meters and an AnyTone 578UV III Plus for 2 meters and 70 centimeters. What do you have agents Mississippi?
Excellent and honest evaluation of the radios! Something that you don’t always get with radio reviews. Well done! NM5SP 73
Hey Alan, thanks man glad you liked it 👍
I agree with everything you said in this wonderful video. However, I would like to make a note about the Xiegu 6100. It has been out long enough now that it’s upgrades have brought it into a good working outstanding radio. If you have not reviewed it recently, I think you would be pleasantly surprised with it’s wonderful capabilities now. Yes I did buy it when it first came out was a little disappointed but now I am extremely happy with it with its new upgrades.
Hey Doc, I agree that it's better today. I think they took what they learned and came out with the 6200 👀
@@TheSmokinApe very excited to look at the 6200 but extremely disappointed when I found out that all you can get out is 8 W when I get 10 W out of my 6100. Truly, I like my G 90 cause I get 20 W and I really don’t need any more than that. But I hate to see them cut down the wattage of the 6200. I’m not really happy with Watts, but I’m very disappointed. They’re shaving the top of that 10 W and making it just 8. I’m sticking with my 6100.
Another comment if you don’t mind. First, let me again say there was an outstanding fantastic video you did. I’m talking about the 6100 Xiegu now.
When I first bought it last year, I had high hopes for it. And sure enough it had problems. For example, you could not finetune it. That portion just did not work. But finally with the last upgrade, I have spent quite some time with the radio. Thank goodness because before when I bought it, I left in a box and wanted to spit on it every time I walked past. But after I made the last software upgrade it now has wonderful fine tuning and I actually was able to send Winlink over it with just a USB cable. I also did WSPR with it. And was able to find tune and do CW with it. It seems like the little box with its upgrade is coming into its own. So I think now if someone talks about it, they should first upgrade the 6100 with the latest firmware and find out that it is coming into its own. I really really like the 6100 now however there’s one thing I do not like. And that is the cheap rinky-dink tinny sound coming out of its speaker. But other than that, with a set of earbuds, I can hear it pretty clearly, and if I was to go portable and want to grab a quick radio that has an internal battery and yes, it has an internal antenna tuner I am giving second thoughts about it and may start carrying it whole lot more. With its internal battery and microphone on the front of it you can almost use it like a walkie-talkie. So the 6100 to me is coming around. I think it is considering putting in the top six at least. Because it can do all the digital modes. Finally, the fine-tuning works. So don’t discount that Xieugu x6100 anymore until you’ve done the last upgrade, the software, and I think you will be quite impressed.
Hey Doc. So here's the story, I was offered this radios at a considerable discount when it first hit the market. To me the whole thing smelled like the GSOC Xiegu released and was plagued with problems it never overcame. What this radio promised was way more than initially delivered, and I believe and still do, that Xiegu doesn't have have the engineering resources to develop and support radios like this. I know at times they have made continued and incremental improvements which is great. I would love to see more affordable alternatives for Hams. I'm glad to hear the 6100 is getting to a more usable place.
Very good video. Thank you Sir
Thanks for checking it out Vern!
Very Interesting I use an FT897 an FT817 and an Venus SW-3 Band last two mainly portable find them Great amazing really but I Mainly use CW .. helps a LOT 73
Nice, thanks for checking out the video Trig 👍
Ape, I’ll be curious to see if the new Yaesu radio coming out soon might make the list in future iterations
Based off what I am seeing I am certain it will.
I am a newish Ham and learn a lot from your channel. My FT-891 specs say it needs 13.8 volts + or - 15%. I use it almost exclusively portable and wonder if I should be careful not to let my battery get below 11.5 volts which is approx 15% below the stated 13.8? Can I damage the radio transmitting with low voltage?
I wouldn’t go much below 11.5 👍
I love the 891 it was my first hf rig. But i added the yeasu 991 because it has everything. Hf dual band and built in tuner.
Two great radios 👍
Hi, my pick: FT-891 and FTM-300D. If you will stay in this hobby for a bit you will and up with multiple radios anyway. So why shack in the box? Why compromise? For the price of 991A you can get FT-891 and FTM-300D. Both best bang for your buck. For complete setup I recommend sg-230/CG-3000 antenna coupler (smartuner). Much better than build-in one. Thanks for the video. 73!
Hey Jonasz, Some people go the route. For example, new hams will often get a dual bander VHF/UHF and then later get a HF radio which means no need for the Shack in a Box.
I've had my ticket for less than a year and I looked at all of the radios on this list. I went with the IC-7100 because I felt it was the best radio for ME and I have no complaints. Your analysis is quite fair, but as LC mentioned, the price is higher now.
That 7100 is one I regret never owning.
Nice review!! The best radio the one you can afford.
Agreed! Thanks for watching Mark.
@@TheSmokinApe I started out with the Alinco DX70TH, then saved my money for the Icom 7000 after that was on the market for a while, then saved again for the 7300...baby steps 😂
Do you think that in the future there will be other all-band & all-modes radios, or will the 991a be the last of its kind in this price range? It feels like there is no interest in manufacturing HF+VHF+UHF radios. Is it a business model decision or are there technical challenges or compromises in making such radios? I am looking for my first HF radio but am frustrated by the lack of shack in the box options as I want 2m and 70cm as well ..
Well, the 705 fits into that category... but it is QRP. I certainly hope to see more "shack in a box" offerings.
Bought my first HF right on ebay! Its an Icom 735, I got a ps55 power supply to go with it, and an AH2 auto antenna tuner, all for just under $600! Can't wait to get on 20m with it! 73!
Congrats and welcome to the hobby!
I agree, a simple to use radio is nice to have. complicated, hard to maneuver radios make ease of use more difficult.
Thanks K0XHF 👍
I know this is random but I’m very new to ham and hf radios and need some help on what items to use and start out with. Say, I wanted to reach someone 600+ Miles away using a ham radio. What is everything that I would need to use and buy in order to do so? Please send links to any recommendations.
Spot on analysis of the radios that I have owned, the Yaesu FT-991A and FT-891. Got rid of the 991A due to the disappointing waterfall... and the menu system drove me nuts. I recently purchased the Xiegu X6100 and all the points you make on that radio I agree with as well, however it does have features not found on any radio in that price category. If the wait weren't so long for an Elecraft KX2, I wouldn't have even looked at the Xiegu. To your point, I couldn't recommend the x6100 to a new ham. The fact that they use their customers as beta testers is ridiculous. After all who do they think they are Microsoft?? - LOL - Great informative video for the newcomer... Thanks !!!
LOL @ Microsoft. Glad you liked the video Steve, thanks for watching!
Good honest comparison bro , ty!
Glad you liked it 👍
Hey bud!....them's some fighting' words there putting those radios head to head and in the line up you did....LOL. Nah. Actually a very good video. a lot of thought regarding newbies and considering things someone getting started would not be aware of or be frustrated with. I'm no expert and am learning every day. Fortunately or unfortunately TH-cam is my Elmer and I do appreciate you and others putting the time in and providing your insight. I ended up with the 991a and question that every other day. Its a great radio but that 7300 is calling. Not one issue or negative with the 991a but how much better is that other radio!?! time will help me. I just ordered an 891 a. because I just want one and b. because "portable" mounted in my vehicle seems very cool for a 100w radio driving down the road. Oh, only to have an unlimited budget...LOL. Thanks Ape! 72 ( and 72 because I owe you one) ;-) 73 implied!
Haha, thanks for watching Keng. I have to tell you I went with the 7300 and there have been a few times where I wonder what would have happened if I got the 991a.
G90 was my first hf radio and within a few months I UPGRADED to the 891. I POTA regularly and the 100 watts is always the star of the show even with a 705 on scene. QRP is a bad choice for beginners. 7300 can be the queen
Hey Nick, I tend to pretty much agree with what you are saying. I do think that with the help of a good Elmer most folks would be just fine with the G90/705 and good antenna. I don't think you will hear anyone say that 100w doesn't make a huge difference.
Ape great show brother
Thanks Andy, appreciate the support 👍
Good analysis.
Thanks FEP 👍
Hi Ape . My name is KC3ODL and I'm a beginner and proud of it !!! Great video!
Thanks for watching John, glad you liked the video!
Fantastic video! I was wondering if you could tell me which antennas you used on the G90? I am new to the hobby. I got my General ticket in January and my Extra about six weeks ago, was KD2UGX now AD2EH. I am leaning towards portable gear due to space restrictions in the house and wanting to get outside and get involved in POTA, Have read some good things about the MPAS Lite. Seems pretty versatile and not as fiddly as other antennas with loading coils that you have to tune. Any guidance would be most welcome. Pete
Hey Peter. Here is a portable video I did with the g90, I mostly use end fed wire antennas: th-cam.com/video/30F8KNs8LJc/w-d-xo.html. here is another video I did on end fed antennas: th-cam.com/video/Fu-HubyHP3Q/w-d-xo.html
I did buy the IC-705 as my first HF rig, shortly after passing the General exam last year (I do need to get on the stick about the Extra exam). My reasons were twofold. First, I'm most interested in portable operations on voice and digital (including CW). The 705 wraps all of that up into one neat box. Second, my HOA sucks for radio. It's not about restrictions on antennae. It's due to both the structure and the location of the building. We're apartment condos in a 5-story building. My cell phone doesn't work in parts of my unit. SiriusXM drops out on the street along the north side of the building. I'm on the 2nd floor and even from my balcony, I can't make myself heard on my club's VHF repeater, which is less than three miles away. I'm 100% portable operations, though one of these nights, I'll string my EFHW from my balcony down to the clubhouse roof and see what happens: the pool and spa are out there, and I don't want someone to reach up and touch the antenna at an inopportune time.
Rather than heed the conventional wisdom not to go QRP for the first HF rig, I simply set my expectations accordingly. 73 de KN6NPZ
Great perspective Daryl, thanks for sharing it!
Really enjoyed your video ! Thank you!
Glad to hear it Derek, thank you for watching 👍
I dig all your recommended radios (But also dig the (tr)uSDX), unlike the G90 the menus stink but I dig it's capability). I'm a beginner and won the G90 (and all accessories) in a raffle from HVDN. I love this radio, and it's easy to use . For some odd reason I dig being able to operate at the lowest power possible. Anytime I operate on SSB I operate at 5W and have made a butt load of contacts to USA west coast and Eastern Europe. For my one year plus ham radio life, I've been a Yaesu fan boy, but I think my next radio will be a shack in the box QRP ICOM. I hear great menu navigation from ICOM. I don't intend to buy a new rig for a long time. I'll wait till supply chain gets normal.
BTW I love your impressions … :)
Haha @ impressions! That's awesome winning a g90!
My first was the FT-891 . I would fully recommend it for newbies .
Hey Robert, people do love them 👍
Thanks for the info. I’m looking to get my technicians license soon and have been watching a lot of your videos.
I’m really interested in the 10 meter band and am looking for a basic radio just for that band. As a teenager I and my friends would talk (illegally) on a HW-101 we had built and I really got hooked on hunting for distant stations.
My question is why do t any of the big 3 make a one band 10 meter radio? I will probably start with one of the export radios due to a limited budget but I would rather spend a little for a better radio
Good luck on the test YAU. I have no idea why they don't, I'd think it would be something folks would be interested in buying 👍
A balanced opinion. Good video.
Thanks BAJ, glad you liked it!
Good, clear, concise info. THANKS
Thanks dab, glad you liked it...
I have used the 7300. Going from a 746pro to it was easy to transition.
Nice, it's good when easy!
@@TheSmokinApe Now, my 746 died. But got my FD/POTA 703+ with RM 100w amp. Not up to the newer stuff. But can get me onto the Texas and 7290 nets. I am more into nets. So I can take my time for a replacement. I am more interested in a 7300 in a 706/7000 package.
If you are having a good time with it, that is what matters.
@@TheSmokinApe And I own it. No cost!
Good video, fair analysis. Well done.
Thanks Greg, appreciate you checking it out 👍
My first HF radio was a uBitx. Did I like it? Hell yes! But I'm very technically trained, so I could understand its flaws and work around it.
My 7300 is much more friendly!
You’re that guy! When I put that on the slide I was thinking of my good friend Stan, and there’s no way he’s using that. As always, thanks for watching Rafael 👍
@@TheSmokinApe I am one continent shy of WAC, but all 4 continents on FT8 on a uBitx.
I would NEVER recommend that for a beginner. It is masochistic! 😂😂
Fantastic video. But I would like to add one little thing in case the people watching this video kind of missed it. The Icom 705 does not have an internal antenna tuner. Let me repeat that NO ANTENNA TUNER on the 705 icom. Thanks for letting me get that off my chest. Because I was interested in that 705, I mean, I really liked it until I saw that it did not have an internal antenna tuner for all that money they want for it. but to me Icom fell on there qrp faces when they left the antenna tuner out of the 705. I have several radios. I have the Icom 7300. If you can afford it get it you’ll never regret it. But I also have the. Xiegu G 90. And for portability and affordability I just love it, and it’s internal antenna tuner is so good I believe it could even tuneup a head of cabbage.
Thanks for letting me get that off my chest it’s something that has just been sticking in my craugh every time I hear about that 705 that they want so much dad blasted money for an left out the antenna tuner. It really irritates me they did that.
Hey Doc. Agreed, it would be a lot cooler if it had a tuner. I have the 7300 and added an external tuner and had the g90 which had a fantastic tuner. It's important for folks to be reasonably educated about that they are buying and how they will want to use it, that's why I make videos like this. I appreciate your comment because it adds real world context, thank you 👍
Could you offer advice on how to tell if a radio from Japan or China is for U.S. operation.(bandplan). I lost my Icom 718 and my G90 (great radio for me) due to flooding . Unfortunately cannot afford a Brand new radio so it will be an eBay purchase (gamble).
The easiest way is to look for an FCC certification.
I'm a new ham and I was wondering about differences in yaesu ftdx10 and ft-710? How do they compare to icom 7300?
I don't have enough experience with the DX10 or the 710 to provide a fair answer. The 710 isn't out yet but the DX10 seems to be a very capable radio.
Hi, What would you recommend as a good hiking radio for 2023, within Xiegu X6100 price range and similar weight? I am considering Xeigu because builtin battery, antenna box and small size as well as not terrible weight. Weight is the most important factor for me, so most HF sets just don't make it. Should I look somewhere else for alternatives ? It appears lots of people are skeptical about Xiegu and some love it. So I am not quite sure now :)
I'm a fan of the g90, but it's heavy. Check out the Xiegu x5105.
Thanks, I noticed that there is very little difference in price (like $50 where I live) between new Xeigus X5105 and X6100. But maybe second hand would do it.
@@mateuszk3210 good luck
I know this is an old video but you said something that I thought was interesting. You said for the first five years you were licensed you did not do HF. I'm curious to what exactly you did with Amateur Radio? I'm think its a good idea. I think I will learn APRS, play around with satellites and then save money for a good HF radio. That way I do not spend money on something that I will outgrow or is not good quality. Enjoy you videos. 73.
Hey Bryan, just saw this but got you in the DMs earlier 👍
Xiegu G90 has been a great beginner radio for me. 20W teaches you patience while working a pileup.
Glad to hear it’s working out for you 👍
I was told not to get any QRP radio for first HF.
There is no doubt that using 100w makes getting contacts easier than using 5w or less, I am pretty sure that's where that advice comes from. While we call the G90 a "QRP" radio it's 20w and the 705 can run 10w without amplification. TH-cam is filled with videos (In the even proof is needed) where folks are using 705's and G-90's to make contacts, many were when the solar cycle was lower. With a good antenna, some patience and a basic understanding or propagation I really don't see a problem.
@@TheSmokinApe I'm a computer geek that sees very little need for digital in an HF rig. Want? Not really. I have plenty of "digital devices I carry in my pocket already. ,My "Smart Phone"!
Too many different proprietory systems and types. It's like all the different computers you could buy in the early 1990s...Digital Ham is still stuck there screwing around like WE did with incompatible bulletin boards @dial-up "speeds,".
To me, the FT891 is a best buy all around. Rugged, great power, compact.
Menus aren't a problem. I don't fiddle with any distraction while driving anyway. I pull over for that USB port if you need it later on for digital add ons.
I have a reason to use a separate 2m/440 anyway...My lowily Quad Band QYT 7900D does a great job for me mobile wise in that regard. Cheap, and with two of them, can make a great cross band very small repeator
If I want to enjoy digital at all, I can simply download a FREE APP like Echolink to my phone. I 'd rather spend my time learning code than fiddling around with a play pretty, Rube Goldburg , UNUSABLE after a disaster, "toy"...YES, I said it...TOY.
Personally, I'd rather buy an FT 891 in a Faraday-like Go Case and have a legacy tube 10-80 in the shack
A good list and review!
Thanks Ron, appreciate you checking it out 👍
Do you have a video with budget options? I’m interested in checking the hobby out, but don’t want to spend $1k to see if I like it.
The budget radio people seem to like these days is the Xiegu G90 👍
Does the Xiegu really not support a direct USB connection to a PC for audio or to present a KISS TNC? That's so stupid
It does not, that said it’s a 400$ radio.
@@TheSmokinApe It’s not the price, but the fact that it’s an SDR and would be trivial to add. Hell I would almost bet it has a USB interface implemented on one of it’s ICs already
@@MontegaB when you do cat control it’s over USB to the device head, same for firmware updates excepts you have to firmware update the body via USB as well. The audio in and out is via a DIN port on the body.
@@TheSmokinApe It's not even a "Ninety-Nine...NINETY NINE" radio to me now.
Find a legacy, tube 10 to 80m for the shack and an 891 with 3 year warranty for the go. Can be done for a couple hundred under a grand if you shop carrful
@@MontegaB Agree! xiegu is trivial "trinket". Use that 400 toward buying a good used REAL radio and a manual antenna tuner.
I’m just thinking about getting a license but I don’t want any Chinese equipment what do I do?
Buy non-Chinese equipment
I had a TenTec Century 21 in the 1981 timeframe, 50W input with about 20-Watts out on 10 meters and I did WAS, WAC, and DXCC CW in about 18-months in the early 80's. Kids today need high tech gear, but I did fine with this and my old tube radios, LOL. 73, Dave, KU9L PS -If they get upset with what you say they need to get a new hobby and leave the Happy Hams alone, LOL.
Cool story Knapp, thanks for checking out the video!
If I were getting started today I'd have gotten a separate HF radio and mobile dual band radio. You can get a lot of VHF/UHF radio for a tiny amount of money and the 2m and 70cm bands seem to just be bolted on to most shack in the box stuff for less than $1k. Having a good HF radio that does HF well without the added cost of 2m and 70cm bits and pieces would have been nice. I'm currently frustrated by my HF and 2m radios being the same radio. I can't do something like running a 2m digipeater and js8 on HF at the same time. Spending $200 on a mobile dual band radio and $600ish dollars for a decent 160-10 HF rig would have been better than the ft857d I got when I started.
So I kind of agree, it’s just some love tue shack in the box. For example, I really like that my 705 is all band all mode and I and totally happy with my 7300 which is 160-6.
The 705 is one of the radios that earns it's price with a crazy amount of features. It's the primary cause of my "less than $1k" qualification. If I had the money I'd buy the 705 and damn the multitasking :)
Woof. Those prices. I just picked up a couple Baofengs for emergency use. I was thinking, what else is out there? Yeah, as a beginner, $500 plus is a non-starter. Around $200-300 is what I could justify. I know these have a crazy amount of tech in them and are ruggedly built which is why they cost so much. I just remember walking through AES Ham in MKE 20 years ago and everything behind glass and on the back counter going wooow, neat. Just need to win the lottery to get a good radio.
Back to my Baofengs and SDRs. ;)
BTW, I'm not trying to be negative about your video, these are just my impressions of equipment costs and whatnot.
20 years ago I got in to cars. Entry was a $2,500 Ford Contour. If it had been a $40k Mercedes...yeah, I wouldn't have gotten in to cars either, I'd have stuck with a bicycle.
Hey BP, thanks for watching. What I can tell you is that when I first started messing with radios, it was Baofeng's and SDR's. 👍
YAESU FT875D? What do people think?
People love that radio despite the small screen.
7100 is good rig but ditch the stock mic for a 7300 hand mic
Hey Kevin, I have heard the same thing. Thanks for checking out the video 👍
I have replaced my mic.
My buddy loves his 7100 he has a remote box which allows him to run his head unit remote to his shack where he has the rest of the rig. Think he uses remote rig hardware. At his shack he has two palstar la1k amps into combiner to give him legal output. Plus he uses his dipole and sounds like he’s in the room with ya. Surprisingly he can run it all from internet switches to power on/off his amps, tuner and even a relay to send his antenna connections to ground. Check out his qrz W2MUR
When you say “beginner” do you mean someone just got Technician/Foundation license (with the band/power limits that implies) or new to HF..?
Hey Brad, I thought you could include those folks. I was meaning folks who are new to HF 👍
@@TheSmokinApe OK sure thing... the band limits in Australia might be different to those in the U.S. I need to check... I may license on both sides of the pond I spend about half my time between the two.
@@bradl2636 good luck with the tests 👍
@@TheSmokinApe Hey thanks mate I like your videos and subbed.
Many thanks
Thanks for watching Ray 👍
You don't mention the Yaesu 857D, Shack in a box. 160m to 70cms except 4m. 100 watts on HF. So good there are few on the used market but if you can find one grab it before the seller changes his mind.
@@MENSA.lady2 I don’t disagree with your assessment of the 857D but I believe I said I would only cover radios that could be purchased new….
@@TheSmokinApe OK but the price goes up.
I don’t disagree but that was the criteria for the video. If someone buys a broken used radio from a rip off artist and then needs to buy another did they really save money?
I started with a 7300 and just bought a FT-891 . I am glad I started with the 7300
Thanks for the comment rbrazil 👍
I'm brand new to all this, a week deep,but I'm just thinking, if the ft897d had a touchscreen waterfall,..
Welcome to the hobby. Once you start using a waterfall, it's hard to go back 👍
@@TheSmokinApe thanks 🙏 another day deeper and I'm thinking if only the Q900 had a dial, right?...
I have a ham radio yaesu 450d do you have one
I do not.
I was just about to complain about you not giving the 7300 enough love. Jokes aside, I know you love you some Linux. I’ve still yet to be able to make a single QSO with either FT8 or JS8. I use Linux Mint in the shack.
I think I have an old Linux Mint laptop around here. If I can dig it up I will do an FT8 video.
Well done. You know I am a 7100 fan boy, but I think this list is accurate. Sadly I don't think you can get it as inexpensively as you mentioned anymore. I really wish I had two or three of them. It too does 2M SSB like you mentioned for "Chuck's" Yaesu. I think you hit it on the head with the need for 100 Watts for beginning radios, I really like my FT-818, but it is a more difficult tool to use.
Howdy LC, I was thinking about you when I was recording that. I almost got one a few years ago and the opportunity passed. I do think they are really good radios. Thanks for watching 👍
Thanks for making this video. I would have considered myself a beginner. Now I’m not sure. I thought a beginner was someone who was just getting into HAM and looking to get their first radio. That’s where I am. It’s hard to justify paying between $400 and $1400 for a radio (not to mention all the other stuff you will need) to test out a new hobby that you may or may not stick with. Maybe this video was for the beginner who has already tested the water with something cheaper and knows they are going to continue this hobby but lacks the experience for a more complicated radio. Are there any less expensive options to get some sort of working setup which may not have the greatest of features but that might have just enough to allow you to experience amateur radio and carry you to a point where you feel like you can justify spending into the thousands of dollars to continue?
Hey Tex, thanks for the question. Let me start with this, I have been a ham for about eight years (I think), I make videos on youtube to help people learn about Ham Radio, I even have an antenna instructional series on the ARRL Learning Network... AND I still consider myself a beginner. There is just some much to learn and do, I have a hard time believe anyone is an expert at it all. That said, I think these are some of the best radios for beginners... i.e. people who are exploring with HF Ham Radio. Yes there are less feature rich and cheaper radios with questionable quality that you could get OR you could build a kit or maybe only work CW but that isn't going to give you a rounded experience and view into Ham Radio. In fact it could lead you into a frustrating experience that tunes you off from Ham Radio. I wouldn't hate on a new ham for buying what made sense to them at the time and I would try to help them if they asked, but in terms of recommending what I think might be "best", it's this list. Thanks for watching 👍
@@TheSmokinApe Thanks for the reply. I definitely have some things to think about. Maybe I’ll start buying some of the other items I will need and get the radio once I have all of that.
@@texyat7388 have you played around in UFH and VHF? Also, SDR is a very affordable way to listen to HF / short wave radio.
@@TheSmokinApe I have done nothing yet. I know a couple of people who are amateur radio operators but unfortunately I have lost contact with both of them over time. I will look into the things you have mentioned so that I can get started doing something.
@@texyat7388 good luck getting into the hobby, I have a ton of videos on radio. Feel free to ask away 👍
G90 for the win! Flawless.
Folks love them 👍
My fist rig was a KW TS-440 SAT back in the 80s ...lol ... I still have the rig . 73s yall
I was talking to a guy about that radio tonight, he said he loved it. Thanks for checking out the video 👍
Kick butt vid. Getting my general soon moving from tech wth HT. Will the 705 with its low power make a good shack hf rig? I want to do digital and portable in addition to shack
Hey Matt, glad you liked the video. While I think the 705 is fantastic you would be better off with 100w in the shack. You could pair an amplifier with the 705 if you have extra budget.
I just bought my first hf after getting my general about a month ago. Yaesu ftdx101d, black friday price. Couldnt pass it up. Buy once cry once.
That’s a hack of a nice radio, congrats 👍
Haha, I liked the expert opinion piece
Haha, glad you liked it 👍
I dont know. Im a relatively new ham and I have no interest in digital modes.I have the impression that in true SHTF digital modes will not be very commonly used or effective other than winlink. I would not touch a Xeigu radio. The 891 or7100 are great radios along with the 991 and 705 706.The 5100 is a very good dual band radio though it has a pretty deep group of features that beginners may find to be a bit much. When I finally printed out the real manual, not the one that was in the box it filled a binder with around 250 pages. A bit much when many simply want to hit the local repeater. I programmed every states repeaters est of the MS onto the memory card making my frequent road trips interesting.
thanks
You're welcome!
Good video Ape, you might have the ranking a bit off Lol
I couldn't rank the 7300 higher than first
Obviously the ICOM IC-7851 is the best beginner radio.
Dang! I forgot that one!!!!11
I ow two Icom 7100. only used mine on VHF and UHF SSB so far. Barelyscratched the surface of their capabilities. I'v owned two Icom 718s. They are straightforward radios to use. But, everything is extra, DSP, and single filter set me back almost three hundred quid ten years ago. The DSP seem barely worth it. Th narrow filter for CW was good enough. I did buy the "one board" adaptor which gave you better SSB filter whilst you kept your CW filter. Disliked that the output power could only be adjusted in the menus. Used it for several years to drive a 70 mhz transverter, but it could have been handy if it had had FM. Not a bad radio but there are others that give you more bang for your buck.
Hey Radiosnail. You make a great point that many don't consider when buying a radio, there are often expensive add-on components that raise the price of equipment beyond what was originally budgeted.
My first radio was the 897D
Awesome radio 👍
@@TheSmokinApe back in it’s day I would agree she’s a little on the old side now
The Electrocraft rig seems nice, but pricey.
Yeah, great radios for sure though.