Your comment about a model of a S1 Duplex, I couldn't agree more. I'd also love to see the Lehigh Valley streamliners made into models as well. Rivarossi once made one of LV's John Wilkes, but they failed the design of the nose of the engine, and now they are REALLY hard to find, and when you fo find one, they cost as much as a new large steam engine... I hope to see a new revamp of either that engine, or preferrably the Black Diamond. I just really love the engines with bullet-shaped noses. 😋
So I am going to post my experience with these K4's. I've worked on 4 of them, and all of them have major issues. These are the first production run post Covid, so I expected issues, but not as many as perceived.... Paragon 3 has deadspot issues in early production runs, but will note it separately for each engine. The engines have a design flaw with the drawbar, which pulls the engine up under load, occasionally derailing the front drivers. First K4: 5432, unstreamilned, long haul, same tooling. Does not run though any switch, stalls repeatedly. Talking to Broadway this issue is cause by Paragon 3 decoders. I ended up adding pickups to the center axle on the tenders. This had no effect. Second K4: 3768 Tuscan, owned by a friend of mine. Does not run though any switch, stalls repeatedly. Talking to Broadway this issue is cause by Paragon 3 decoders. Bad drive cup, cracked and slipping on driveshaft. Broadway instructed me to simply superglue it. I ended up adding pickups to the center axle on the tenders. This had no effect. Third K4: 3768 DGLE, the first streamlined K4 I tried to purchase. Does not run though any switch, stalls repeatedly. Talking to Broadway this issue is cause by Paragon 3 decoders. Bad drive cup, cracked and slipping on driveshaft. Broadway instructed me to simply superglue it. Shell did not sit right on frame, cab sat low. Scraping noise on drivers, bad assembly. Decoder going out, engine would not reliably slow down. Fourth K4: 3768 DGLE, the second streamlined K4 I tried to purchase. Does not run though any switch, stalls repeatedly. Talking to Broadway this issue is cause by Paragon 3 decoders. Bad drive cup, cracked and slipping on driveshaft. Broadway instructed me to simply superglue it. This engine wouldn't move at all out of the box. Shell did not sit right on frame, cab sat low. Scraping noise on drivers, bad assembly. Decoder going out, engine would not reliably slow down. Engine had a large bind in the gearing once drive cup was removed. Current status is the second K4 runs now, but not well. The first and third K4's are on their way to Broadway to get rebuilt. Hopefully they don't charge me, both engines were new. The fourth K4 was not accepted to the shop I was purchasing it from. It went directly back to its supplier. I'll update this comment when I get the first and third back. For now, all I can say is be warned. These locomotives will need to be fixed, even if brand new.
Paragon 3 sounds leave a lot to be desired. I want TCS WowSound with the smoke unit. Kinda silly that in 2020 we can't get the best sound with a smoke unit.
I got mine about a month ago. Excellent model. However I'm already on my second decoder. Paragon 3 decoders are so bad. If it goes bad again I will replace with ESU like my other BLI locos. When it works it does run very nice. Sounds good for a BLI also.
@@barnesproducts173 I have a refurbished model. I do not run it all the time, but I have not had any problems yet. Granted, I have a oval layout, but not a complex layout.
Hey question before you changed out your decoder was it cutting out randomly while running. Mine appears to do that. Also when you changed out your decoder can it be any decoder or a specific one for BLI. I've honestly never changed any of my decoders which is why I'm asking.
PeterD. And Friends that is not funny, Broadway Limited models are expensive and putting laughing emojis isn’t funny because I would be very disappointed to break a brand new model.
Why does it look like the cab is lower than the front of the locomotive, like it's about to pop a wheelie? Side stripe seems angled downward and does not line up with the stripe on the tender.
There was some definite track issues, I had another loco ive been working on that couldnt make it a single lap without stopping and after some rewiring and full alcohol clean on the track it runs perfect but I am still getting erratic performance from the K4 Streamlined. I have a BLI go pack on order, when it comes we are going to tear into the tender and fix the audio and hopefully this electrical performance issue
@@RodimusPrime I wish BLI would be more transparent on their info. I found some with markers lit, some not. I think there I-1sa was a big disappointment to many. Recent K-4s & L-1s lit but not M1b, I-1sa, J-1, is that right. [moved overseas and forced to give up my MTH O ]
@@RodimusPrime Actually no, the 3768 WAS streamlined in 1936 but there was no World's Fair then. By 1940 the 3768 along with 3-4 others, 1120 being one of them, was re-streamlined to what the Bachmann folks have represented here. After the war all had their streamlining removed for ease of maintenance. 3768 remained in service until 1957.
Your comment about a model of a S1 Duplex, I couldn't agree more. I'd also love to see the Lehigh Valley streamliners made into models as well. Rivarossi once made one of LV's John Wilkes, but they failed the design of the nose of the engine, and now they are REALLY hard to find, and when you fo find one, they cost as much as a new large steam engine...
I hope to see a new revamp of either that engine, or preferrably the Black Diamond. I just really love the engines with bullet-shaped noses. 😋
So I am going to post my experience with these K4's. I've worked on 4 of them, and all of them have major issues. These are the first production run post Covid, so I expected issues, but not as many as perceived....
Paragon 3 has deadspot issues in early production runs, but will note it separately for each engine.
The engines have a design flaw with the drawbar, which pulls the engine up under load, occasionally derailing the front drivers.
First K4: 5432, unstreamilned, long haul, same tooling.
Does not run though any switch, stalls repeatedly. Talking to Broadway this issue is cause by Paragon 3 decoders.
I ended up adding pickups to the center axle on the tenders. This had no effect.
Second K4: 3768 Tuscan, owned by a friend of mine.
Does not run though any switch, stalls repeatedly. Talking to Broadway this issue is cause by Paragon 3 decoders.
Bad drive cup, cracked and slipping on driveshaft. Broadway instructed me to simply superglue it.
I ended up adding pickups to the center axle on the tenders. This had no effect.
Third K4: 3768 DGLE, the first streamlined K4 I tried to purchase.
Does not run though any switch, stalls repeatedly. Talking to Broadway this issue is cause by Paragon 3 decoders.
Bad drive cup, cracked and slipping on driveshaft. Broadway instructed me to simply superglue it.
Shell did not sit right on frame, cab sat low.
Scraping noise on drivers, bad assembly.
Decoder going out, engine would not reliably slow down.
Fourth K4: 3768 DGLE, the second streamlined K4 I tried to purchase.
Does not run though any switch, stalls repeatedly. Talking to Broadway this issue is cause by Paragon 3 decoders.
Bad drive cup, cracked and slipping on driveshaft. Broadway instructed me to simply superglue it. This engine wouldn't move at all out of the box.
Shell did not sit right on frame, cab sat low.
Scraping noise on drivers, bad assembly.
Decoder going out, engine would not reliably slow down.
Engine had a large bind in the gearing once drive cup was removed.
Current status is the second K4 runs now, but not well. The first and third K4's are on their way to Broadway to get rebuilt. Hopefully they don't charge me, both engines were new. The fourth K4 was not accepted to the shop I was purchasing it from. It went directly back to its supplier. I'll update this comment when I get the first and third back.
For now, all I can say is be warned. These locomotives will need to be fixed, even if brand new.
Love mine in DGLE. Worth the wait for sure
I like when people complain about locomotive sounds. When I was a kid I had to make them myself.
Haha alot of times i mute the sounds just fun to have them run like old times
Paragon 3 sounds leave a lot to be desired. I want TCS WowSound with the smoke unit. Kinda silly that in 2020 we can't get the best sound with a smoke unit.
Interesting, mine came with a Banshee whistle as an alternative whistle. My favorite whistle of the package.
Noice Love the bli stuff especially there k4. And know they release both this streamlined k4 and the other k4. Just not before bachmann maid theres
Very clear and audible review...
Nice locomotive
A wowsound decoder would do that thing wonders. Especially the whistles. The 3 chime or banshee will sound 10x better.
Its getting esu
Love!
I really wish they had this in the old boxes, like the paragon 2 models and early ish p3s.
Who manufacturers this beautiful locomotive 🚂
I got mine about a month ago. Excellent model. However I'm already on my second decoder. Paragon 3 decoders are so bad. If it goes bad again I will replace with ESU like my other BLI locos. When it works it does run very nice. Sounds good for a BLI also.
Did you get brand new or refurbished?
@@officialpennsyjoe New
@@barnesproducts173 I have a refurbished model. I do not run it all the time, but I have not had any problems yet. Granted, I have a oval layout, but not a complex layout.
Hey question before you changed out your decoder was it cutting out randomly while running. Mine appears to do that.
Also when you changed out your decoder can it be any decoder or a specific one for BLI. I've honestly never changed any of my decoders which is why I'm asking.
first 13 seconds into the video and youre already breaking the locomotive 😂
Lol
I'm just glad he didn't edti it out. We're all human and even 'engoneers' make mistakes, big & small
I have had deadspot issues wirh my K4, as of june 2022 it is at Breodway limited Tech support, Very frustrating.
0:14 😂😂😂
Im just happy and lucky I didnt scratch it or break something.
PeterD. And Friends that is not funny, Broadway Limited models are expensive and putting laughing emojis isn’t funny because I would be very disappointed to break a brand new model.
@@WoozieGuy oh come on it was funny
You know you could done with that part at 0:14 it looks like a funny bloopers or outtake
@@WoozieGuy it was real and frightening for a moment
Why does it look like the cab is lower than the front of the locomotive, like it's about to pop a wheelie? Side stripe seems angled downward and does not line up with the stripe on the tender.
Very nice!
A used S1 on eBay that is HO scale is about $4'000. The lowest I would guess one to be is around $2'000.
I look at it everyday with supreme desire.....
Hopefully some HOW TO videos soon! haha
What gauge is this locomotive I would like to check out this locomotive more closely
BLI should make a crisp blue or red streamlined K4s.
Great review
That is a handsome looking locomotive, will it pull that entire PRR passenger train that you showed at the end of the video, great content- Tom.
It does quite easy
I’m sorry for the bad intro. Hopefully your train is fine lol
It was ok thankfully!
What kind of track or who makes it? Where did you buy them?
1939 Worlds Fair in NYC.
Let us know if the stalling was due to track or the loco. Thanks.
There was some definite track issues, I had another loco ive been working on that couldnt make it a single lap without stopping and after some rewiring and full alcohol clean on the track it runs perfect but I am still getting erratic performance from the K4 Streamlined. I have a BLI go pack on order, when it comes we are going to tear into the tender and fix the audio and hopefully this electrical performance issue
To be honest with you I'm more a santafe person after returning from santafe after 29 years
Hey man Broadway limited just release the Union Pacific FEF series
Announced, not released
Are ya sure the reason you shut off the SMOKE because ya didn't want to show it BURNIN' UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Haha no it works fine but theres no ventilation in here so it just chokes me
Do the number boards illuminate?
they do along with the markers
@@RodimusPrime
I wish BLI would be more transparent on their info. I found some with markers lit, some not. I think there I-1sa was a big disappointment to many. Recent K-4s & L-1s lit but not M1b, I-1sa, J-1, is that right.
[moved overseas and forced to give up my MTH O ]
I have one of the K4 streamliners as well. How do you like yours?
Im loving it since i put the go pack in it and did speaker upgrades
@@RodimusPrime Is the go pack easy to install? How much does it benefit the locomotive?
1936 World's Fair???
Correction 1939 was the S1 and K4..
@@RodimusPrime Actually no, the 3768 WAS streamlined in 1936 but there was no World's Fair then. By 1940 the 3768 along with 3-4 others, 1120 being one of them, was re-streamlined to what the Bachmann folks have represented here. After the war all had their streamlining removed for ease of maintenance. 3768 remained in service until 1957.
@@conrailwitty The World Fair was 1939-1940.
@@Jones3DModelingClub Correct.
What kind of track or who makes it? Where did you buy them?
Kato Unitrack