@@fadetoblack.- If you do research on XLR cables and many others you will find there is documented proof that there is no difference in the signal being delivered at various price points. There is definitely build quality and longevity benefits if they are being unplugged, moved, and plugged back in from a wear perspective, but $400/meter is silly in my opinion. Is there any documented readings you can provide actually showing these provide something different than Monoprice, Blue Jeans, or other various levels of cable manufacturers? When moving over to digital cables like HDMI it is even sillier as they pass data so it either works or it does not as long as it is shielded enough for the environment they live in.
@@fadetoblack.- My friend, I've tried expensive cables ranging from Amazon basics to some borrowed 4 figure cables from a buddy. I'm sorry if my post came across negative as it was not intended. I can say confidently, and perhaps due to my ears only such as your experience, that I cannot tell a difference as long as they're adequately shielded. I do not use bottom of the line on anything, but I'm also not spending silly money on them either. This argument is as old as A/V though so no need for the back and forth as many do, I respect your opinion and even more Paul's. I just felt a little devil's advocate was due since all levels of experience may read these comments, have a good night man
@@fadetoblack.- power cables, speaker cables, RCA interconnects won't take it to the next level! They all have very little affect, no audible difference as long as you get a well made implemented one that are up to spec. You can get RCA interconnects from the likes of Van Damme (used in many top recording studios worldwide) Blue Jeans etc for reasonable prices with specs as good or better than the likes of Synergistic Research etc. Audioholics have tested measured fairly cheap but good interconnects against expensive ones like Audioquest. And the cheaper ones actually measured better. Synergistic Research sell a lot of snake oil like there hundreds of pounds for a single fuse! No offence but educate yourself buddy, if it sounds too good to be true from the product description then it usually is!
@@Justeric78 You were just saying the truth dude. Many blind tests have been made and people couldn't tell if it was a £20 power cable, interconnect or a £2000 power cable, interconnect. Plus the measurements of the cables show the very expensive ones don't measure any better than the good cheaper ones. Companies like Audioquest & Synergistic Research ripping off people for thousands of pounds cables. And hundreds of pounds fuses! The more sites like Audioholics educating people so they don't waste their money on snake oil the better.
SInce you're disableing the extra side firing speakers it seems it would make a lot more sense to have used the bookshelf speaker in your side surround positions.
Hey Bro I dig your set-up and enjoy watching your videos, I'm a 52 year old white boy, from New Zealand and I'm sick as a dog with a fever awaiting my covid test results. Thanks for sharing your set-up it looks awesome and I bet it sounds even better, I have a modest 5.2 set up with Wharfdale 9.5 fronts and center, Onkyko SKF 4800 rear towers and a couple of Yamaha/Jamo 10'' subwoofers hooked up to a Yammy RX-V483 Reciever and a 65'' Phillips TV. HiFi gear is expensive as in NZ and I have teenage daughters that come first course. I paid for my set up with a little cupboard in my garage fitted with a 400 watt grow light (Mum's the word, say no more) Keep up the good work my friend, I've learned alot from watching your videos, you have done well for ypourself I admire you, Take care.
Very impressive setup! You weren't kidding about taking your system to the next level! I'm planning a processor upgrade in the near future so looking forward to your full review of the X7. Awesome video BTW :)
Congrats on all the shiny, new toys. And welcome to the Dirac club. I think the detail and separation you're now hearing has more to do with the improved impulse phase and time alignment, coupled with DLBC, than it has moving to straight separates (see Emotiva MC1 vs Onkyo RZ50). To take advantage of the DLBC, but keep a more natural sound for 2ch, just drag the curtain during the Dirac calibration all the way to the left, and stop at around 100-200hz, so it only corrects the bass. Save that to another profile, and switch on the fly when you want to fire up music. The A51 and Outlaw 7000x are excellent amps. I wasn't able to afford new, but spent under $2k for both amps, before all the inflation hit. I don't like mixing and matching amps, so I bought another pre-owned A51, and put the Outlaw in another setup. I personally went with the Monlith pre-pro to access BEQ. I can't recommend that enough. But you'll need to add a MiniDSP unit to fully optimize your setup. Such a waste to see all that bass filtered away on these modern mixes.
Thanks for the tip ok DLBC, that’s a great idea with the curtain. You make a great point about why I could be hearing the improvement. Audyssey is notorious for flubbing measurements sometimes. You made a great choice on your processor too. That was on my shortlist too- I hear nothing but good thing about it. I’ll likely replace the outlaw with an A52+ (or 2) when I get a bigger room, but it works great for now
Oh Its really sucks to buy expensive processor and your old avr is better in terms of technical convenience I faced the same issues I've changed my onkyo avr to marantz av7706 which is in sound quality wayy better than onkyo avr but the technical part of that processor not that good and missing many things that my old avr have Audio company's should focus in the technical department of their high end line of products because it's takes your good experience away Great quality is priority but will be completed by not complex stuff up and work hard on the technical side more
I heard that isn't it bad to have no room behind your sofa to backwall? For the sound the completely fill up the room there needs to be at least 2ft of space or more from sofa to backwall. Not sure if this is true but it's something I heard from audioholics setups a while ago.
Good stuff! I'm really impressed by the Arendal subs I have my hands on now. Great build quality. Nice processor too. I was looking hard at that same model before deciding on Anthem. Parasound is an excellent option too. I'll be interested to see you comment on how the Parasound and the Arendel speakers mesh. You just stepped up huge! Congrats.
Thanks, man! The Arendal subs are beasts too- judging by the 1723 1V I had a year ago. Funny enough I was looking hard at the Anthem before choosing the Maestro. Your system is going to sound amazing too, when it’s done. I’ve seen all your videos so far
Interesting, I am between AVM 70 and Maestro 7 at this moment, would love to get some comparison reviews, heard lot’s of great stuff about audiocontrol products including their amps!
I see you kept the arendals you convinced me to upgrade my setup to the 1723 its going to be my Christmas present from my wife (we already talked about it) I also want to let you know since I started on this hobby you have been one of the guys that I rocked with from the beginning you helped me out so much when I asked you questions you always took the time to answer them I been with you since the elite pioneer speakers all the way to the arendals keep up the fantastic content your the best
i have the Pioneer VSX-LX503 avr it like the denon it will process 11.2 channels i have the Outlaw 7000 7 channel power amp i allso use a Harmon Kardon signiture series 2.1 100 watt 5 channel power amp i use it too power my atmos speakers! funny part is i use a set of klipsch 5.1 home theater pack because they have the knuckle, so i can put them anywhere on the ceiling i want and aim them the way i need! i know mis mash setup but i live on a fixed income! after 3 heart attacks you get what you can afford!but you know what it sounds pretty nice too tell you the truth!
It's called having headroom, it helps big time with dynamics, lowering distortion when near or at reference levels!! I'm big into both home and car audio, I'm what you would call a Basshead!! Now you don't haft to play it loud, but when you want to, you can!. Lol
Untreated room is a big miss for this kind of setup. Room EQ should be limited to 300-500hz (maybe 1000Hz in untreated room) for more dynamic presentation. Peace
A little tip: You should calibrate your system a 2nd time with Dirac Live and use "focused" with less calibration points if your alone most of the time. If you choose "wide" with those 19 points and you sit close to the surround channels, Dirac turns the volume of the surrounds way to low, cause the person that sits right or left of the main listening position should not get "blown away". I got a XMC-2 and tried both versions. A diffrence like day and night... When someone is with me, I sit next to the right surround speaker and that's no big deal. Try it! Great videos man, I love your channel❤
Now that you've installed the Arendale surrounds, are you happy with them as both surrounds and backs? I am curious if i should add the monitors in the back rather than the surrounds. IF you had the space what would you do?
I do wonder if the differences are from moving from 5 to 7 main channels, dirac vs audyssey, and parasound vs outlaw vs denon amps. Like you changed a lot of things so it's really hard to say whether or not what you're hearing is due to one vs the other. Another question is how is it with all those speakers really close to your seats?
Exactly my thoughts. A slower upgrade path with measurements etc. would have been more interesting to me. Those surrounds seemed close for sure, tweet in ear, but if Dirac did its thing maybe, I prefer in walls.
Nice set up VillaMan. The lesson that keeps getting clearer everyday is the more you seek for more and better things, the more you will be focused on flaws and shortcomings. So let's just enjoy the beauty of things we already have
Great work my friend!! Really like this video, tbh I am definitely a little peanut butter and jealous. I myself just switched from Yamaha AVR to Emotiva BasX MC1 13.2 channel pre pro. I love it. I’m hearing things I’ve never heard before as well. Check out Prometheus UHD, blew me away…BOOM!!
Does the processor have Dirac Bass Control? Typically you can adjust size and crossover after calibration. You can't add more speakers, but you can remove them.
It does. The crossover setting can be adjusted which can effectively make the speaker act as large, if the crossover is low enough. But that has to be done from a laptop and the settings transferred to the processor
I think the speakers "vanishing" is a lot of the power of DIRAC as I only have a 5.4.4 but DIRAC does such a good job blending all the speakers that I cant hear any individual speaker when sound is panning around. Also MSO was the best thing I ever did for my subs, the subs that were covering some nulls would be a bit localized in those frequencies, but now they are all blended so well I can never hear any individual sub, and every seating spot has the same bass response. I love and wanted the Arendales but due to cost and size ended up with the THX-365T and those ended up working so well. Once you get the subs integrated well, its the most movie theater sounding setup I have heard yet.
That's a good way to explain the channel separation and cohesiveness. You have no need to visit a theater anytime soon 😉 The emotiva rmc-1l has had some quirks with it too over the years, but overall it's been a huge upgrade. These pre/pros seem more hands on to get the sound you want vs more of a plug and play for most receivers. You've got an excellent looking room though man, great video! Keep it up 🤘
@@justsaying993 It's a fun hobby. But gets expensive as you upgrade. Might wanna start selling plasma hair & fingernails now. I put my kidney on sale for the 97 inch oled from LG 😂😂😂
@@o.c.g.m9426 gets more expensive when you realize you need a bigger space to house bigger speakers and TVs 😂 I moved into a small apartment from a basement, and my 55 inch TV is looking a bit small from 10 feet away, so I’m thinking of grabbing a 65 or 75 inch end of the year 🤔
Nice review, but the audio cutting out in the middle of a movie is a deal breaker. Have you contacted the manufacturer to see why that's happening? Maybe a firmware update is needed.
Yeah bugs like this are a huge problem for the wife. What seems like a simple bug to overcome for me is a show stopper for her and has been cause for me to replace equipment. It has to be seen less and thoughtless for her to use.
@@ThaVillaMan awesome man! I just turned my extra room into a movie theater too. I have the Arendal 1723s monitors, center and surrounds, 4 SVS heights in the ceiling for dolby Atmos, the Denon x4700 and a PB 3000. I Siri have a UST like you. I have the VAVA 4K and it’s giving me a 125” picture. I just got 3 acoustic panels from Gik acoustics. You, youthman, home theater dude and spare change all inspire me.
I said same thing last night. Added new sony 75in x90j tv, klipsch symphony towers, made my bose surrounds, klipsch center and a 2nd klipsch reference 12. Next upgrade will be 8k reciever.. running optical now to preserve 120hz at 4k. And a ps5 if I can find one at msrp I refuse to pay extra
Great gear...I myself am using the Arendal 1723 Tower S for my fronts combined with the 1723 Center. What I think your setup really needs is ROOM TREATMENT. I don't see any absorbers or bass traps implemented. Remember no matter how good your gears are they won't perform to the best of their capabilities if your room is the problem.
I really believe nowadays the DSP of Dirac etc. is more important. Of course starting out with room treatment would help if implemented properly but I believe DSP makes the bigger improvement IMO.
@@patrickmiller4987 DSP definitely helps a lot but the single biggest influence on how one's system sounds is the room. No amount of DSP can help with room reverb/echo as well as nulls/peaks etc. Try to measure your Freq Response and you'll find out for sure
@@johnlim7720 Yes DSP can definitely help with peaks. Its the nulls that need rectifying beforehand if possible. Well placed furniture, rugs, drapes, etc. can usually be enough I think before DSP without spending on bass traps etc. IMO.
@@patrickmiller4987 DSP room correction can't magically stop sound waves from the speakers bouncing of the hard walls. Absorption and diffusion panels on the first and second reflection points makes a big audible difference. Some DSP room correction for the subwoofers of course is also needed. And speakers depending if they need it in the room.
That system is extremely overkill for a room that size. An all in one home theatre in a box would have been more than enough, e.g. lg ht 303. £150, at most. And you can feel the rumble with that subwoofer.
@@ThaVillaMan trust me, i had that system, in a room probably a bit larger than yours, cost me £30, still one of the best sounds ive ever heard, all i did was go into the settings and turn subwoofer volume to max, then master volume to approx 75% max. Unbelievable sound... why dont you put it to the test.
"Finally the audio quality of my system matches the video quality... In fact I think it actually exceeds it... *at least, for now* " 97" OLED incoming. :)
I talked to Arendal today. The told me that the two rear surrounds need to be mounted opposite of what they say. Put the left in the right side, etc. It has to do with the phasing of the 4" speakers. Also, if you are running ATMOS overhead speakers, you should disable the 4" speakers all together and just run the frint facing woofer/tweeter only. If you haven't, give it a whirl.
I had similar setup like yours sir.. I am use Parasound A51 and A52+ that i bought after wtaching ur review A52+. They build like tank.. my processor JBL SDP-55 and speaker from SVS Ultra line atmos with SVs elevation. Arendal seem had nice review maybe will try demo them when available in my country..
Thanks for the videos!! How do those Arendal speakers compare to Atlantic technology?? I have the old 6200e and was thinking about going with the arendal 1723s. Didn’t know if it was worth the upgrade.
No hum whatsoever, but I can hear the faintest of hiss when I put my ear up to the tweeter. Gonna do some testing to see what the cause is for the review
Hi with reference to listening to music, I’m the same and turn of Dirac, as yes what you say it just kills all the life and dynamics, especially as the calibration is done for multi channel and not two channel ,the Arcam Av40 has the availability to have 3 Dirac calibrations so you can do one for multi, and one for two channel, I’m using the Arcam Av860 but seems more easier to use than your processor, I believe we have become to reliant on such calibration tools, and are not always the best, and the sound has become to controlled,in some cases your video was very informative, easy to watch 👍
Curious why the center is so low. Why not set it higher to get tweeter closer to ear level, can get a wedge to angle up also. Seems silly not to get the center optimized when investing so much time and money in this hobby. It carries the brunt of work unless you go phantom center. Many are incorporating the center while using surround codecs these days with music with great results, wondering if youve tried Auro3D with music.
Paint those walls a dark color and drape the walls to the side and back. Just a decent full surround system with large speakers and and a good 75" in a small room and I gave up going to the movies.
Just go with a marantz prepro. You can get 13 Channels. And it looks like your not even using 16 channels anyways. Plus’s you don’t have the amps for it. I run 2x 7channel mono amps.
I’m already using 13 channels in a room this size, so I’ll definitely need more when I get a bigger space- plus the fact I wanted a Dirac capable device made the X7 a no-brainer. The amps I have are literally more than enough man lol (11/12 ch used). I’ll add to it when/if I need to. What are you running?
HI - I see you have experience / videos with some of the higher quality offerings with SVS / Monolith, how do you compare the Marty Cube subs to these. Do you think it would be worth the effort of building two of these and they would blow, say the PB4000 out of the water? Thanks
I think it’s a matter of how you build the MartyCube. If you use a good PA woofer, you can get a lot more output and chest slam than you can with the PB4000. The SVS may go slightly lower though at around 16hz with the extended port tuning (middle port closed). That said pairing the Marty with a miniDSP will allow you to EQ is to match your room response. It’s all a matter of personal preference
Great review..im curious if the jdl sdp 55 is basically the same as the maestro x7 why did you choose the maestro over the jbl? Even though the jbl has a better Dac
The JBL is basically the same thing with better DACs and Dante. I chose the Maestro because of the availability. Price was a bit lower on the X7 as well
Thank you for the video it was a good watch. Just a small correction on the discussion around the Dirac Live license. The HTP-1 does include the license with the limitation of it supporting just a single sub. I did purchase the multi sub license for an additional $500, but again the main license many will use is included. Did you mean to say the Maestro comes out of the box with the multi sub license perhaps? New sub from me though and I will catch up on your past videos, much appreciated.
Why did you place your surrounds so low? This is not the usual place for surrounds as far as I know. I have 4 SVS Elevations placed, as per SVS, as close to the ceiling as possible. But you certainly have an outrageous system. Congrats.
Yeah but aren’t those SVS elevations angled? So yeah they are designed for going higher up and aiming down at main listening position. Otherwise I don’t see an issue with ear level speaker heights.
Nice system but overkill. Too many speakers too close together equals sound waves bouncing all over the place in a room that size. I would go with a 5.2.2 for a room like that.
Amazing setup and great videos, thinking about upgrading to arendal 1723. Rough maths the setup looks 20k, so my question is this the best way to go or a active setup like genelec or others?????
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The HDR version of the video is finally processed by TH-cam. Now you can watch in full HLG HDR glory 🤩
Your videos really pop because of this. Thanks for your efforts.
@@fadetoblack.- If you do research on XLR cables and many others you will find there is documented proof that there is no difference in the signal being delivered at various price points. There is definitely build quality and longevity benefits if they are being unplugged, moved, and plugged back in from a wear perspective, but $400/meter is silly in my opinion. Is there any documented readings you can provide actually showing these provide something different than Monoprice, Blue Jeans, or other various levels of cable manufacturers? When moving over to digital cables like HDMI it is even sillier as they pass data so it either works or it does not as long as it is shielded enough for the environment they live in.
@@fadetoblack.- My friend, I've tried expensive cables ranging from Amazon basics to some borrowed 4 figure cables from a buddy. I'm sorry if my post came across negative as it was not intended.
I can say confidently, and perhaps due to my ears only such as your experience, that I cannot tell a difference as long as they're adequately shielded. I do not use bottom of the line on anything, but I'm also not spending silly money on them either.
This argument is as old as A/V though so no need for the back and forth as many do, I respect your opinion and even more Paul's. I just felt a little devil's advocate was due since all levels of experience may read these comments, have a good night man
@@fadetoblack.- power cables, speaker cables, RCA interconnects won't take it to the next level! They all have very little affect, no audible difference as long as you get a well made implemented one that are up to spec.
You can get RCA interconnects from the likes of Van Damme (used in many top recording studios worldwide) Blue Jeans etc for reasonable prices with specs as good or better than the likes of Synergistic Research etc.
Audioholics have tested measured fairly cheap but good interconnects against expensive ones like Audioquest. And the cheaper ones actually measured better.
Synergistic Research sell a lot of snake oil like there hundreds of pounds for a single fuse! No offence but educate yourself buddy, if it sounds too good to be true from the product description then it usually is!
@@Justeric78 You were just saying the truth dude. Many blind tests have been made and people couldn't tell if it was a £20 power cable, interconnect or a £2000 power cable, interconnect.
Plus the measurements of the cables show the very expensive ones don't measure any better than the good cheaper ones.
Companies like Audioquest & Synergistic Research ripping off people for thousands of pounds cables. And hundreds of pounds fuses!
The more sites like Audioholics educating people so they don't waste their money on snake oil the better.
Excellent video.
Hey i like the video background i loved 😍 it 👍
"Born in china, raised by you" lol
SInce you're disableing the extra side firing speakers it seems it would make a lot more sense to have used the bookshelf speaker in your side surround positions.
It would, but I’m also keeping future requirements in mind
@@ThaVillaMan Right on. Beautiful system!
You should of gone anthem
I almost did. It was on the short list
Hey Bro I dig your set-up and enjoy watching your videos, I'm a 52 year old white boy, from New Zealand and I'm sick as a dog with a fever awaiting my covid test results.
Thanks for sharing your set-up it looks awesome and I bet it sounds even better, I have a modest 5.2 set up with Wharfdale 9.5 fronts and center, Onkyko SKF 4800 rear towers and a couple of Yamaha/Jamo 10'' subwoofers hooked up to a Yammy RX-V483 Reciever and a 65'' Phillips TV.
HiFi gear is expensive as in NZ and I have teenage daughters that come first course.
I paid for my set up with a little cupboard in my garage fitted with a 400 watt grow light (Mum's the word, say no more) Keep up the good work my friend, I've learned alot from watching your videos, you have done well for ypourself I admire you, Take care.
Very impressive setup! You weren't kidding about taking your system to the next level! I'm planning a processor upgrade in the near future so looking forward to your full review of the X7. Awesome video BTW :)
Congrats on all the shiny, new toys. And welcome to the Dirac club. I think the detail and separation you're now hearing has more to do with the improved impulse phase and time alignment, coupled with DLBC, than it has moving to straight separates (see Emotiva MC1 vs Onkyo RZ50). To take advantage of the DLBC, but keep a more natural sound for 2ch, just drag the curtain during the Dirac calibration all the way to the left, and stop at around 100-200hz, so it only corrects the bass. Save that to another profile, and switch on the fly when you want to fire up music.
The A51 and Outlaw 7000x are excellent amps. I wasn't able to afford new, but spent under $2k for both amps, before all the inflation hit. I don't like mixing and matching amps, so I bought another pre-owned A51, and put the Outlaw in another setup. I personally went with the Monlith pre-pro to access BEQ. I can't recommend that enough. But you'll need to add a MiniDSP unit to fully optimize your setup. Such a waste to see all that bass filtered away on these modern mixes.
Thanks for the tip ok DLBC, that’s a great idea with the curtain. You make a great point about why I could be hearing the improvement. Audyssey is notorious for flubbing measurements sometimes. You made a great choice on your processor too. That was on my shortlist too- I hear nothing but good thing about it. I’ll likely replace the outlaw with an A52+ (or 2) when I get a bigger room, but it works great for now
@@ThaVillaMan Do you want to sell the Denon?
Oh Its really sucks to buy expensive processor and your old avr is better in terms of technical convenience
I faced the same issues
I've changed my onkyo avr to marantz av7706 which is in sound quality wayy better than onkyo avr but the technical part of that processor not that good and missing many things that my old avr have
Audio company's should focus in the technical department of their high end line of products because it's takes your good experience away
Great quality is priority but will be completed by not complex stuff up and work hard on the technical side more
That’s a small room for all that equipment. I bet it feels like sitting inside a pair of headphones.
Your missing so much picture quality with that UST the blacks are so not there.
I heard that isn't it bad to have no room behind your sofa to backwall? For the sound the completely fill up the room there needs to be at least 2ft of space or more from sofa to backwall. Not sure if this is true but it's something I heard from audioholics setups a while ago.
You don't want sound bouncing at your head if the sofa at the back wall
of course that why there's a minimum amount of spaced needed between wall and sofa.
Good stuff! I'm really impressed by the Arendal subs I have my hands on now. Great build quality. Nice processor too. I was looking hard at that same model before deciding on Anthem. Parasound is an excellent option too. I'll be interested to see you comment on how the Parasound and the Arendel speakers mesh. You just stepped up huge! Congrats.
Thanks, man! The Arendal subs are beasts too- judging by the 1723 1V I had a year ago. Funny enough I was looking hard at the Anthem before choosing the Maestro. Your system is going to sound amazing too, when it’s done. I’ve seen all your videos so far
Interesting, I am between AVM 70 and Maestro 7 at this moment, would love to get some comparison reviews, heard lot’s of great stuff about audiocontrol products including their amps!
@@Herofmine Same here. I have the avm60 and now thinking about avm70 or ax x7
I see you kept the arendals you convinced me to upgrade my setup to the 1723 its going to be my Christmas present from my wife (we already talked about it) I also want to let you know since I started on this hobby you have been one of the guys that I rocked with from the beginning you helped me out so much when I asked you questions you always took the time to answer them I been with you since the elite pioneer speakers all the way to the arendals keep up the fantastic content your the best
i have the Pioneer VSX-LX503 avr it like the denon it will process 11.2 channels i have the Outlaw 7000 7 channel power amp i allso use a Harmon Kardon signiture series 2.1 100 watt 5 channel power amp i use it too power my atmos speakers! funny part is i use a set of klipsch 5.1 home theater pack because they have the knuckle, so i can put them anywhere on the ceiling i want and aim them the way i need! i know mis mash setup but i live on a fixed income! after 3 heart attacks you get what you can afford!but you know what it sounds pretty nice too tell you the truth!
Wow, great Hardware. The parasound looks so sexy 🤩
Bit in my opinion, your room is a bit too small.
Feels a bit overkill for the tiny room. If I am wrong please correct me and why it will benefit. Thank you☺️
It is. But I’m planning for the future.
It's called having headroom, it helps big time with dynamics, lowering distortion when near or at reference levels!! I'm big into both home and car audio, I'm what you would call a Basshead!! Now you don't haft to play it loud, but when you want to, you can!. Lol
Definitely overkill for that small room. Makes sense for a larger room down the road though.👍
Untreated room is a big miss for this kind of setup. Room EQ should be limited to 300-500hz (maybe 1000Hz in untreated room) for more dynamic presentation. Peace
Adding treatment would definitely improve the sound, but even without it, it’s pretty great. Doesn’t hurt that this room has a lot of soft surfaces
Great setup for me to drive for lol! Can you tell me what subs are pictured in the video? They look like the old AV123 MF-15.
My wife just said 8 inches is always better than 6.5 it’s a good job I’m blessed
Amen to that. Love to hear ✨alignment✨
A little tip: You should calibrate your system a 2nd time with Dirac Live and use "focused" with less calibration points if your alone most of the time. If you choose "wide" with those 19 points and you sit close to the surround channels, Dirac turns the volume of the surrounds way to low, cause the person that sits right or left of the main listening position should not get "blown away". I got a XMC-2 and tried both versions. A diffrence like day and night... When someone is with me, I sit next to the right surround speaker and that's no big deal. Try it!
Great videos man, I love your channel❤
Wow! You've come a long way ,Very nice! I think your at the point of needing a bigger room now .🙂
Now that you've installed the Arendale surrounds, are you happy with them as both surrounds and backs? I am curious if i should add the monitors in the back rather than the surrounds. IF you had the space what would you do?
I do wonder if the differences are from moving from 5 to 7 main channels, dirac vs audyssey, and parasound vs outlaw vs denon amps. Like you changed a lot of things so it's really hard to say whether or not what you're hearing is due to one vs the other. Another question is how is it with all those speakers really close to your seats?
Exactly my thoughts. A slower upgrade path with measurements etc. would have been more interesting to me. Those surrounds seemed close for sure, tweet in ear, but if Dirac did its thing maybe, I prefer in walls.
I also believe the watts of those receivers would sound the same to me.
Nice set up VillaMan.
The lesson that keeps getting clearer everyday is the more you seek for more and better things, the more you will be focused on flaws and shortcomings.
So let's just enjoy the beauty of things we already have
Thanks! Wise words. 🙏🏾
Great work my friend!! Really like this video, tbh I am definitely a little peanut butter and jealous. I myself just switched from Yamaha AVR to Emotiva BasX MC1 13.2 channel pre pro. I love it. I’m hearing things I’ve never heard before as well. Check out Prometheus UHD, blew me away…BOOM!!
Hi , I’m looking to buy emotivia but I don’t know how many channels would I need. I have a 5.1.4 set up thanks.
I've seen this video several times, but I missed the last part of the video regarding the AC Infinity cooling until now! lol
Do you still have the Klipsch rp8000f speakers and if you do are you going to sell them.
Congrats on the new equipment !
Does the processor have Dirac Bass Control? Typically you can adjust size and crossover after calibration. You can't add more speakers, but you can remove them.
It does. The crossover setting can be adjusted which can effectively make the speaker act as large, if the crossover is low enough. But that has to be done from a laptop and the settings transferred to the processor
Sound improvement could be dirac and not processor? Would be interesting to compare the avr and avp of same brand uno
I think the speakers "vanishing" is a lot of the power of DIRAC as I only have a 5.4.4 but DIRAC does such a good job blending all the speakers that I cant hear any individual speaker when sound is panning around. Also MSO was the best thing I ever did for my subs, the subs that were covering some nulls would be a bit localized in those frequencies, but now they are all blended so well I can never hear any individual sub, and every seating spot has the same bass response.
I love and wanted the Arendales but due to cost and size ended up with the THX-365T and those ended up working so well. Once you get the subs integrated well, its the most movie theater sounding setup I have heard yet.
Killer setup! Great choices in speakers and gear.👌
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Pretty empty inside the Audiocontrol processor.
about 20 db drop on the tweeters at 3khz ?
That's a good way to explain the channel separation and cohesiveness. You have no need to visit a theater anytime soon 😉 The emotiva rmc-1l has had some quirks with it too over the years, but overall it's been a huge upgrade. These pre/pros seem more hands on to get the sound you want vs more of a plug and play for most receivers. You've got an excellent looking room though man, great video! Keep it up 🤘
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Mad ting. 🙌🏾
How much does a set-up like this cost?
Do your neighbours like your sound system
Amazingly, they still haven’t heard it
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So what did the 1723 add in comparison to the 1723S sound wise?
More output potential for a bigger room in the future
Hi sir iam from India. Sumal help
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You look so happy in your thumbnail haha. I love it
It’s awesome, man. Having a lot of fun with it
@@ThaVillaMan I can imagine. I’ll see you on the other side one day. I’m gonna start with my first soundbar this year
@@justsaying993 It's a fun hobby. But gets expensive as you upgrade. Might wanna start selling plasma hair & fingernails now. I put my kidney on sale for the 97 inch oled from LG 😂😂😂
@@o.c.g.m9426 gets more expensive when you realize you need a bigger space to house bigger speakers and TVs 😂 I moved into a small apartment from a basement, and my 55 inch TV is looking a bit small from 10 feet away, so I’m thinking of grabbing a 65 or 75 inch end of the year 🤔
My guy went all out !!! 👌😎
Wassup Villaman!!! Just saying what's up. Have your video queued up for later.
Hey Joe! That’s awesome to hear. Thanks for stopping by!
Nice review, but the audio cutting out in the middle of a movie is a deal breaker. Have you contacted the manufacturer to see why that's happening? Maybe a firmware update is needed.
It’s a known issue. Thankfully it doesn’t happen very often. Maybe once or twice a month
Since it is a known issue keep us updated if it gets fixed with a firmware update. Keep up your excellent work.
Yeah bugs like this are a huge problem for the wife. What seems like a simple bug to overcome for me is a show stopper for her and has been cause for me to replace equipment. It has to be seen less and thoughtless for her to use.
Villaman or you Jamaican? yu sound like a yardie my youth, nuff respect.
Yes sah. Bless!
This video makes me feel extremely POOR...😔😔😔😔😔😔😔😔😔😔😔
You can have this an more. Make a plan and work to it. It took a while for me to get here
@@ThaVillaMan awesome man! I just turned my extra room into a movie theater too. I have the Arendal 1723s monitors, center and surrounds, 4 SVS heights in the ceiling for dolby Atmos, the Denon x4700 and a PB 3000. I Siri have a UST like you. I have the VAVA 4K and it’s giving me a 125” picture. I just got 3 acoustic panels from Gik acoustics. You, youthman, home theater dude and spare change all inspire me.
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Your surround speaker's positions should be atleast 1 to 2 feet higher for a much better surround sound experience 👍👍👍
Who said that ? I read many articles and they all said surround speakers should be at ear level with the exception of atmos speakers.
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The rear speakers .. for a better sound try it out
Your voice is clipping in this video. Quite uncharacteristic of you!
I know. For shame. I had the volume on the recorder just a bit too high (guess I’m rusty), but I wasn’t going rerecord all that! 😅
Only time I’m going to the movies is if it’s IMAX. Otherwise, I’d rather watch the movie through the AMC THEATERS ON DEMAND app.
"home theater" bro that a media room
I said same thing last night. Added new sony 75in x90j tv, klipsch symphony towers, made my bose surrounds, klipsch center and a 2nd klipsch reference 12. Next upgrade will be 8k reciever.. running optical now to preserve 120hz at 4k. And a ps5 if I can find one at msrp I refuse to pay extra
Great gear...I myself am using the Arendal 1723 Tower S for my fronts combined with the 1723 Center. What I think your setup really needs is ROOM TREATMENT. I don't see any absorbers or bass traps implemented. Remember no matter how good your gears are they won't perform to the best of their capabilities if your room is the problem.
I really believe nowadays the DSP of Dirac etc. is more important. Of course starting out with room treatment would help if implemented properly but I believe DSP makes the bigger improvement IMO.
@@patrickmiller4987 DSP definitely helps a lot but the single biggest influence on how one's system sounds is the room. No amount of DSP can help with room reverb/echo as well as nulls/peaks etc. Try to measure your Freq Response and you'll find out for sure
@@johnlim7720 Yes DSP can definitely help with peaks. Its the nulls that need rectifying beforehand if possible. Well placed furniture, rugs, drapes, etc. can usually be enough I think before DSP without spending on bass traps etc. IMO.
@@patrickmiller4987 DSP room correction can't magically stop sound waves from the speakers bouncing of the hard walls.
Absorption and diffusion panels on the first and second reflection points makes a big audible difference.
Some DSP room correction for the subwoofers of course is also needed. And speakers depending if they need it in the room.
@@C--A I don't believe everyone wants sound to stop bouncing off the walls, but maybe Im wrong.
That system is extremely overkill for a room that size. An all in one home theatre in a box would have been more than enough, e.g. lg ht 303. £150, at most. And you can feel the rumble with that subwoofer.
You are insane lol. Absolutely not
@@ThaVillaMan trust me, i had that system, in a room probably a bit larger than yours, cost me £30, still one of the best sounds ive ever heard, all i did was go into the settings and turn subwoofer volume to max, then master volume to approx 75% max.
Unbelievable sound... why dont you put it to the test.
"Finally the audio quality of my system matches the video quality... In fact I think it actually exceeds it... *at least, for now* "
97" OLED incoming. :)
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Wow....I sooo want one....if I had the $20 stacks I so would sittin 14 feet from it
GREAT VIDEO!!! I LOVED IT!!!
That being said........
YOU NEED A BIGGER ROOM!!! 🤯
I talked to Arendal today. The told me that the two rear surrounds need to be mounted opposite of what they say. Put the left in the right side, etc. It has to do with the phasing of the 4" speakers. Also, if you are running ATMOS overhead speakers, you should disable the 4" speakers all together and just run the frint facing woofer/tweeter only. If you haven't, give it a whirl.
Have you tried the Arendal 1961 height speakers? Deciding between them and Klipsch Rp-500sa. I have a Klipsch HT setup otherwise
I had similar setup like yours sir.. I am use Parasound A51 and A52+ that i bought after wtaching ur review A52+. They build like tank.. my processor JBL SDP-55 and speaker from SVS Ultra line atmos with SVs elevation. Arendal seem had nice review maybe will try demo them when available in my country..
So big speakers in such a little room... Better Go for some ProAc D2R or Focal Sopra 1 or BW 805.
Bigger is not always better.
Thanks for the videos!! How do those Arendal speakers compare to Atlantic technology?? I have the old 6200e and was thinking about going with the arendal 1723s. Didn’t know if it was worth the upgrade.
what about hiss and hum ?
No hum whatsoever, but I can hear the faintest of hiss when I put my ear up to the tweeter. Gonna do some testing to see what the cause is for the review
@@ThaVillaMan ok thanks👍
Super impress with your new upgrade. Can you provide some article links about this new immersive sound field that you are experiencing? Thanks
Awesome!!
Hi with reference to listening to music, I’m the same and turn of Dirac, as yes what you say it just kills all the life and dynamics, especially as the calibration is done for multi channel and not two channel ,the Arcam Av40 has the availability to have 3 Dirac calibrations so you can do one for multi, and one for two channel, I’m using the Arcam Av860 but seems more easier to use than your processor, I believe we have become to reliant on such calibration tools, and are not always the best, and the sound has become to controlled,in some cases your video was very informative, easy to watch 👍
Yes. VILLAMAN, you went next level with separates. I prefer seperating my 2 channel from my home theater
Curious why the center is so low. Why not set it higher to get tweeter closer to ear level, can get a wedge to angle up also. Seems silly not to get the center optimized when investing so much time and money in this hobby. It carries the brunt of work unless you go phantom center. Many are incorporating the center while using surround codecs these days with music with great results, wondering if youve tried Auro3D with music.
Paint those walls a dark color and drape the walls to the side and back. Just a decent full surround system with large speakers and and a good 75" in a small room and I gave up going to the movies.
I am seeing some adjustment price is coming on today.. Any clue much price will be increased for the speakers?
Amazing upgrade
I’m not even at this level yet with my setup, and I already prefer it over the movie theater. Having a 7.2.6 Atmos setup helps though.
Amazing set up! Do you plug your amplifiers on different outlets or everything is running off the Furman?
what are those florists standing speakers I want them
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Man you gonna need a bigger house soon.
Right? The housing market needs to calm down
Cool T shirt... phenomenal setup and narration.. Thanks !!
Where is the full review of the Audio Control?
There’s lots of videos on my list with little time to complete
VillaMan what state are you located. Excellent system btw
Just loved it amazing setup didn't skip the video watched till the end
Daaaaaamn son!! That's wild. I dig it though 😎 👌🏼
What would you do with ur one channel not being used in outlaw amp?
I like all your gear except for the audioconroll processor.
Killer setup! congrats bro✌✌👌👌
too much cables
How you like Dirac compare to Audyssey?
I only own the 5.1. Wish to have the next level experience soon.
Why!!!?? 😅 in such a small space!!
Why not? You should hear it
i would of just gone Denon X6700
After having Denons… they’re different leagues
Just go with a marantz prepro. You can get 13 Channels. And it looks like your not even using 16 channels anyways. Plus’s you don’t have the amps for it. I run 2x 7channel mono amps.
I’m already using 13 channels in a room this size, so I’ll definitely need more when I get a bigger space- plus the fact I wanted a Dirac capable device made the X7 a no-brainer.
The amps I have are literally more than enough man lol (11/12 ch used). I’ll add to it when/if I need to.
What are you running?
HI - I see you have experience / videos with some of the higher quality offerings with SVS / Monolith, how do you compare the Marty Cube subs to these. Do you think it would be worth the effort of building two of these and they would blow, say the PB4000 out of the water? Thanks
I think it’s a matter of how you build the MartyCube. If you use a good PA woofer, you can get a lot more output and chest slam than you can with the PB4000.
The SVS may go slightly lower though at around 16hz with the extended port tuning (middle port closed). That said pairing the Marty with a miniDSP will allow you to EQ is to match your room response. It’s all a matter of personal preference
Great review..im curious if the jdl sdp 55 is basically the same as the maestro x7 why did you choose the maestro over the jbl? Even though the jbl has a better Dac
The JBL is basically the same thing with better DACs and Dante. I chose the Maestro because of the availability. Price was a bit lower on the X7 as well
Thank you for the video it was a good watch. Just a small correction on the discussion around the Dirac Live license. The HTP-1 does include the license with the limitation of it supporting just a single sub. I did purchase the multi sub license for an additional $500, but again the main license many will use is included. Did you mean to say the Maestro comes out of the box with the multi sub license perhaps? New sub from me though and I will catch up on your past videos, much appreciated.
$500 seems like a rip off! Oh well to each his own!🥂
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Is it a big difference between S surrounds and big?
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Super surrund sound
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Why did you place your surrounds so low? This is not the usual place for surrounds as far as I know. I have 4 SVS Elevations placed, as per SVS, as close to the ceiling as possible. But you certainly have an outrageous system. Congrats.
Yeah but aren’t those SVS elevations angled? So yeah they are designed for going higher up and aiming down at main listening position. Otherwise I don’t see an issue with ear level speaker heights.
Nice system but overkill. Too many speakers too close together equals sound waves bouncing all over the place in a room that size. I would go with a 5.2.2 for a room like that.
It is overkill, particularly with the surrounds, but with Dirac Live I’m sure it’s all dialed in and sounds fantastic.
Amazing setup and great videos, thinking about upgrading to arendal 1723. Rough maths the setup looks 20k, so my question is this the best way to go or a active setup like genelec or others?????
There is no "best way to go". To many variables.