Morality, aesthetics, love, and faith have to do with the big questions of life. There is a place for reason in understanding them, but ultimately your beliefs and decisions in these matters do not exist due to pure reason, and never will because we're human beings. That doesn't make them wrong, it shows that truth in these matters is different to what pure reason can and should reveal.
+John Michael Strubhart In order to be a successful "Theologian" you have to be willing to conclude that people 2000 years ago had it right. You can debate it all you want, but it has to come back around to that. It's the tension between reality and 2000 year old beliefs that makes his otherwise-coherent discussion confusing.
Contrasting this interview with the one with Leonard Susskind (Science vs. Faith video), I feel Alister not only has more poetic expression of his understanding of these big questions, but also has more wisdom and logically sound reasons to back up his claims. I appreciated the fact that Leonard doesn't identify as an Atheist - although many Atheists will undoubtedly claim him as one of them, but I feel Alister has spent much more time rigorously investigating these questions. I pray that Leonard comes to Christ.
Servant of the Kingdom of Christ he’s also demonstrably wrong about his view of the world. He mistakenly, for some reason, thinks that’s there is a place called heaven and life after death. This is why theology is bad. It teaches people to believe things that are false. I’m more interested in the psychology of belief but few theists seldom are honest about why it is that they believe what they believe.
"We've got to make sure we've got this right" seems to contrast with "constant willingness to rethink". After listening to a sermon, my wife, Sally, often comments, "If you can't convince 'em, confuse 'em." Is that what is happening here? Is the goal to state mutually exclusive concepts in the hope that the average person will be so confused as to assume that there must be something about it that is so profound that we (the little people or non-theologians) need to pay attention to what the theologians are saying, i.e. believe what they tell us to believe, do what they tell us to do and not do whatever they decide "sin" is?
Mark Reeves just because you think that you understand something doesn’t mean that you are right. What would you do if you found out that you were wrong?
They don’t just “decide” it, they study the Bible and the life of Jesus (through outside sources too) and show the evidence so people can trust it. I’d say it takes more faith to be an atheist. Frank Turek talks about that in “I don’t have enough faith to be an atheist.” The Cold-Case Christianity youtube channel is also run by a cold-case homicide detective who was an atheist until he was 35 when the evidence he found for Christianity convinced him and he became a believer.
All of the commentators in all of these videos are pre-determined one way or the other. Why not do it like Robert does? be open to all ideas... search for it...
I want to do this, do u know if I have to pursue a bachelor's degree for theology? I was hoping I can find something else being that I don't want to be in school for 4 years
Different Same, it’s not entirely theology-based but Ray Comfort has a Bible Academy (you can find on livingwaters.com ) where he teaches everything he has learned the past 40-something years of being a Christian; it’s heavily based on evangelism since that’s one of Jesus’ greatest commands, but it also includes apologetics and probably theology and tips on how to better study and discern the Bible :)
If you've searched for the truth all your life and didn't find it, it wasn't the truth that was lost. Amos 8 11: "Behold, the days are coming," says the Lord GOD, "when I will send a famine on the land; not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD. 12: They shall wander from sea to sea, and from north to east; they shall run to and fro, to seek the word of the LORD, but they shall not find it.
Brad Holkesvig the truth has yet to be discover. Our knowledge expands on a daily basis minute by minute. You won’t find the answers by studying theology.
Go0d H12: Kindly thank you for Your Channel name and this headline/discussion. imHo, if 1 is allowed to study and, if any research, the Theology at the Level to be permitted to Vatican Libraries Level--probably there is almost no higher Class of knowledge available in this world. Kindly wish You&+ all the best. Krgds, A1*.###
If I wanted to make the questions of life more clear I wouldn't use theology, I would use philosophy. Theology, at least for me, would make thing more cloudy. I know that theology and philosophy do share some common traits but when contemplating religion you must rely on faith and not reason. Theology for me would just be an academic exercise and nothing more.
+captainandthelady Theology is the proper discipline when it comes to talking about God. Even the simple question of whether a god exists or not is a theological question.
+scabw no, whether or not God exists is a scientific question at its core. To pretend that theology holds sway over this topic is to claim that "pretending to know things you do not know" has any sort of authority over anything, which it doesn't. Bullshit is bullshit. Pardon the tautology.
LetReasonPrevail1 Why is the existence of God a scientific question at its core and not a theological one? Theology is reasoning and talking about God. It has also been called "the science of things divine." It seems to me that the topic of God's existence fits right into this. The natural sciences may also have something to say on this. Although most of the natural sciences by way of methodology seem to exclude the questions of anything that transcends the natural laws and forces. Metaphysical questions have instead been in the realm of philosophy and theology. Nevertheless, what we find out about the natural laws and forces might lend support to metaphysical conclusions.
+scabw Maybe so but for me it still is just an academic exercise. An exercise that I don't really delve into much anymore even though it is a vast area of study. I just feel that there is much more interesting things to study than theology. Things that are more meaningful and relevant to what is happening in the world and in my life.
captainandthelady Personally, I find my relationship with God much more important than any academic exercise. But theology as an academic discipline can sometimes be helpful. Still, I (obviously) favor immediate experience over abstract study.
To discover the nature of God you have to think a lot for yourself being honest, it is not easy addiction recovery. And i can prove it, if only I wasn't censored like the lives of your children depended on knowledge not being known. Who benefits censoring knowledge? Who benefits censoring ideas or understandings of reality? Words don't hurt unless they threat. The truth offends liars and the lie honest people. Is it possible to be wrong? Is it possible to believe it is impossible to be wrong believing? The truth and lie have no master, God has no master and is free, and everyone can be right or wrong, which doesn't mean I can not be right and all humanity past and present can not be wrong. To understand only to want to understand is required. Atheism and religion are harmful misunderstandings of reality to God's Life. Censoring is lying to oneself. If your truth can not stand against my truth why do you persist doing wrong? I am a psychologist and recovering addict, not a charlatan looking for attention, and I have lived the good, bad and ugly of life, and I don't know much, but I know what I know, that you are like me, imperfect, and life teaches with consequences. Can i know something that you don't? Can I teach you something? God exists because nothing can be created from nothing, therefore the creation needs the creator to exist. It is as simple and impossible to understand as that. God is the Mind Healer and whoever lives by God for God doing what is right regardless of law would not suffer addiction and other mental health problems. Is it possible to not understand the importance? A contradiction is an impossibility and a miracle is an impossibility that God makes possible, an act of God. I challenge humanity on the debate to settle for ever the disagreement with peace, freedom, tolerance, honesty, wisdom, happiness, for all future generations. I claim I have discovered the nature of God and I can prove it if only I wasn't suffering the most severe and devastating censorship in history in a social media era for many years at an eternal and limitless cost in lives and happiness. I hope my truth is unambiguously understood and humanity react. How knowledgeable are humanity when they are censoring knowledge? You can prove it.
That’s true, but I think you should know that Christianity isn’t a religion per se. I’d say the people blindly believing the unproven and unprovable (and perhaps scientifically impossible) theory of macro-evolution are the ones being “educated” to not question their beliefs. If you ask the average student in school why they believe in the theory of evolution they will probably hesitate and maybe answer “because it’s in my textbook.” School teaches it as facts when it’s not even a proven theory. These videos are informative on religion: Why I hate religion but love Jesus by Jefferson Bethke and What Makes Christianity Different From Other Religions by Share Change. Living Waters should also be helpful, along with Cold-Case Christianity :)
i don't understand how these religious interviewees ponder this faith for so long. raised without much discussion in the home. after going to the usa to university had a conversion experience at 20 years of age. after 4 or 5 years of further investigation into the faith, the origin of the bible, the activities of the north american church in the 1700's forward, and conversations with church leaders, found it wanting of truth and lacking in coherence. how these people delude themselves with this shadow play and pseudo-intellectualism for decades is nothing short of self delusion on their part. listening to them talk and the mental gymnastics they are going through makes me cringe.
AW Crowe after your "conversion" you say ? don't think so bud. no such thing as a conversion to Christ and then unconversion. you were never converted in the first place.
+lionofthetribe1 so after you become a christian you have to turn in your brain... okay i guess i missed that part of the experience. just some faux emotion.
lionofthetribe1 that’s a no true scotsman fallacy. Most atheists that I know were once practicing Christians. Some day you might wake up too. Keep reading the Bible and studying what we know about the origins of the gospels. That’s usually a good starting point. Doubt and questioning are virtues.
Why study theology? Simply So you can identify & intellectually destroy the pure & utter bullshit spewed forth by every clergyman, apologist and devout believer who ever tries to pedal their drivel on you.
After watching numerous religious speakers on this channel and contemplating what they have said, ive come to the inescapable conclusion that none of them have the slightest idea what they are talking about and its a load of old bollocks.
Mark Reeves what is it that you think we don’t understand. You’re claiming to have access to knowledge that I don’t. What is the source of that knowledge?
The study of theology is a the study of "god" when really if it were being scientific should be the study of the state of mind which leads to the belief in disembodied minds. It the intellectual exercise which allows one to pretend that belief in gods is rational when it isn't.
Stephanie R. S. Hi Stephanie. I’m quite happy with what I said. Do you have specific issue? Men have invented a great many thousands of gods. This latter statement is merely a statement of fact.
Your comment presupposes that any disciplines outside of science has to be scientific or at least, aspires to some scientific pedigree. While this is a valid assumption, it’s by no means infallible and ought to be justified. Also, you take for granted that only rational beliefs are justified. I’m not disputing this of course but it’s very a live debate what rationality entails, as well as what justification means. Both concepts have tenuous definition and philosophers are still trying to understand them (Just look at any recent papers within the epistemology or philosophy of probability literature) All in all, you seemed to come across as a bit too unequivocal
@@ckae2846 never in the history of our species has any god/ deity been shown to be real. Of course some hypotheses are not falsifiable. That typically means that they are poorly considered. The inability to falsify a proposition doesn’t make it true. Of course gods might exist but I doubt that they are the gods that humans have thus far invented. That begs the question why do people pray and commit their lives to things not shown to be real. The simple answer is for psychological reason, tribal reasons, social reasons and because of indoctrination.
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I understood every word. This was very good, thanks!
Morality, aesthetics, love, and faith have to do with the big questions of life. There is a place for reason in understanding them, but ultimately your beliefs and decisions in these matters do not exist due to pure reason, and never will because we're human beings. That doesn't make them wrong, it shows that truth in these matters is different to what pure reason can and should reveal.
This is the first video I've seen in this excellent series that leaves me more confused than enlightened. I do appreciate the effort though.
+John Michael Strubhart In order to be a successful "Theologian" you have to be willing to conclude that people 2000 years ago had it right. You can debate it all you want, but it has to come back around to that. It's the tension between reality and 2000 year old beliefs that makes his otherwise-coherent discussion confusing.
Why couldn't people 2000 years ago have it right?
Contrasting this interview with the one with Leonard Susskind (Science vs. Faith video), I feel Alister not only has more poetic expression of his understanding of these big questions, but also has more wisdom and logically sound reasons to back up his claims. I appreciated the fact that Leonard doesn't identify as an Atheist - although many Atheists will undoubtedly claim him as one of them, but I feel Alister has spent much more time rigorously investigating these questions. I pray that Leonard comes to Christ.
Servant of the Kingdom of Christ he’s also demonstrably wrong about his view of the world. He mistakenly, for some reason, thinks that’s there is a place called heaven and life after death.
This is why theology is bad. It teaches people to believe things that are false.
I’m more interested in the psychology of belief but few theists seldom are honest about why it is that they believe what they believe.
Leonard might already believe but just doesnt discuss.
You mean more “wishy washy”.
"We've got to make sure we've got this right" seems to contrast with "constant willingness to rethink".
After listening to a sermon, my wife, Sally, often comments, "If you can't convince 'em, confuse 'em."
Is that what is happening here? Is the goal to state mutually exclusive concepts in the hope that the average person will be so confused as to assume that there must be something about it that is so profound that we (the little people or non-theologians) need to pay attention to what the theologians are saying, i.e. believe what they tell us to believe, do what they tell us to do and not do whatever they decide "sin" is?
Mark Reeves just because you think that you understand something doesn’t mean that you are right.
What would you do if you found out that you were wrong?
They don’t just “decide” it, they study the Bible and the life of Jesus (through outside sources too) and show the evidence so people can trust it. I’d say it takes more faith to be an atheist. Frank Turek talks about that in “I don’t have enough faith to be an atheist.” The Cold-Case Christianity youtube channel is also run by a cold-case homicide detective who was an atheist until he was 35 when the evidence he found for Christianity convinced him and he became a believer.
All of the commentators in all of these videos are pre-determined one way or the other. Why not do it like Robert does? be open to all ideas... search for it...
theology..i hope jesus willing im gonna study..im sixten years old
I want to do this, do u know if I have to pursue a bachelor's degree for theology? I was hoping I can find something else being that I don't want to be in school for 4 years
Different Same, it’s not entirely theology-based but Ray Comfort has a Bible Academy (you can find on livingwaters.com ) where he teaches everything he has learned the past 40-something years of being a Christian; it’s heavily based on evangelism since that’s one of Jesus’ greatest commands, but it also includes apologetics and probably theology and tips on how to better study and discern the Bible :)
If you've searched for the truth all your life and didn't find it, it wasn't the truth that was lost.
Amos 8
11: "Behold, the days are coming," says the Lord GOD, "when I will send a famine on the land; not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD.
12: They shall wander from sea to sea, and from north to east; they shall run to and fro, to seek the word of the LORD, but they shall not find it.
Brad Holkesvig the truth has yet to be discover. Our knowledge expands on a daily basis minute by minute.
You won’t find the answers by studying theology.
Go0d H12: Kindly thank you for Your Channel name and this headline/discussion. imHo, if 1 is allowed to study and, if any research, the Theology at the Level to be permitted to Vatican Libraries Level--probably there is almost no higher Class of knowledge available in this world. Kindly wish You&+ all the best. Krgds, A1*.###
If I wanted to make the questions of life more clear I wouldn't use theology, I would use philosophy. Theology, at least for me, would make thing more cloudy. I know that theology and philosophy do share some common traits but when contemplating religion you must rely on faith and not reason. Theology for me would just be an academic exercise and nothing more.
+captainandthelady Theology is the proper discipline when it comes to talking about God. Even the simple question of whether a god exists or not is a theological question.
+scabw no, whether or not God exists is a scientific question at its core. To pretend that theology holds sway over this topic is to claim that "pretending to know things you do not know" has any sort of authority over anything, which it doesn't. Bullshit is bullshit. Pardon the tautology.
LetReasonPrevail1 Why is the existence of God a scientific question at its core and not a theological one? Theology is reasoning and talking about God. It has also been called "the science of things divine." It seems to me that the topic of God's existence fits right into this. The natural sciences may also have something to say on this. Although most of the natural sciences by way of methodology seem to exclude the questions of anything that transcends the natural laws and forces. Metaphysical questions have instead been in the realm of philosophy and theology. Nevertheless, what we find out about the natural laws and forces might lend support to metaphysical conclusions.
+scabw Maybe so but for me it still is just an academic exercise. An exercise that I don't really delve into much anymore even though it is a vast area of study. I just feel that there is much more interesting things to study than theology. Things that are more meaningful and relevant to what is happening in the world and in my life.
captainandthelady Personally, I find my relationship with God much more important than any academic exercise. But theology as an academic discipline can sometimes be helpful. Still, I (obviously) favor immediate experience over abstract study.
To discover the nature of God you have to think a lot for yourself being honest, it is not easy addiction recovery. And i can prove it, if only I wasn't censored like the lives of your children depended on knowledge not being known. Who benefits censoring knowledge? Who benefits censoring ideas or understandings of reality? Words don't hurt unless they threat. The truth offends liars and the lie honest people. Is it possible to be wrong? Is it possible to believe it is impossible to be wrong believing? The truth and lie have no master, God has no master and is free, and everyone can be right or wrong, which doesn't mean I can not be right and all humanity past and present can not be wrong. To understand only to want to understand is required. Atheism and religion are harmful misunderstandings of reality to God's Life. Censoring is lying to oneself. If your truth can not stand against my truth why do you persist doing wrong? I am a psychologist and recovering addict, not a charlatan looking for attention, and I have lived the good, bad and ugly of life, and I don't know much, but I know what I know, that you are like me, imperfect, and life teaches with consequences. Can i know something that you don't? Can I teach you something? God exists because nothing can be created from nothing, therefore the creation needs the creator to exist. It is as simple and impossible to understand as that. God is the Mind Healer and whoever lives by God for God doing what is right regardless of law would not suffer addiction and other mental health problems. Is it possible to not understand the importance? A contradiction is an impossibility and a miracle is an impossibility that God makes possible, an act of God. I challenge humanity on the debate to settle for ever the disagreement with peace, freedom, tolerance, honesty, wisdom, happiness, for all future generations. I claim I have discovered the nature of God and I can prove it if only I wasn't suffering the most severe and devastating censorship in history in a social media era for many years at an eternal and limitless cost in lives and happiness. I hope my truth is unambiguously understood and humanity react. How knowledgeable are humanity when they are censoring knowledge? You can prove it.
Religion + self critical? Then there would be no religion left.
That’s true, but I think you should know that Christianity isn’t a religion per se. I’d say the people blindly believing the unproven and unprovable (and perhaps scientifically impossible) theory of macro-evolution are the ones being “educated” to not question their beliefs. If you ask the average student in school why they believe in the theory of evolution they will probably hesitate and maybe answer “because it’s in my textbook.” School teaches it as facts when it’s not even a proven theory. These videos are informative on religion: Why I hate religion but love Jesus by Jefferson Bethke and What Makes Christianity Different From Other Religions by Share Change. Living Waters should also be helpful, along with Cold-Case Christianity :)
i don't understand how these religious interviewees ponder this faith for so long. raised without much discussion in the home. after going to the usa to university had a conversion experience at 20 years of age. after 4 or 5 years of further investigation into the faith, the origin of the bible, the activities of the north american church in the 1700's forward, and conversations with church leaders, found it wanting of truth and lacking in coherence. how these people delude themselves with this shadow play and pseudo-intellectualism for decades is nothing short of self delusion on their part. listening to them talk and the mental gymnastics they are going through makes me cringe.
AW Crowe after your "conversion" you say ? don't think so bud. no such thing as a conversion to Christ and then unconversion. you were never converted in the first place.
+lionofthetribe1 so after you become a christian you have to turn in your brain... okay i guess i missed that part of the experience. just some faux emotion.
AW Crowe well said. You seem to have done your homework. 👍
lionofthetribe1 that’s a no true scotsman fallacy.
Most atheists that I know were once practicing Christians.
Some day you might wake up too. Keep reading the Bible and studying what we know about the origins of the gospels. That’s usually a good starting point.
Doubt and questioning are virtues.
Mark Reeves Christianity is one of the least coherent religions out there. Close to Scientology.
Why study theology? Simply So you can identify & intellectually destroy the pure & utter bullshit spewed forth by every clergyman, apologist and devout believer who ever tries to pedal their drivel on you.
After watching numerous religious speakers on this channel and contemplating what they have said, ive come to the inescapable conclusion that none of them have the slightest idea what they are talking about and its a load of old bollocks.
Mark Reeves what is it that you think we don’t understand. You’re claiming to have access to knowledge that I don’t. What is the source of that knowledge?
The study of theology is a the study of "god" when really if it were being scientific should be the study of the state of mind which leads to the belief in disembodied minds.
It the intellectual exercise which allows one to pretend that belief in gods is rational when it isn't.
Change “gods” to God and your problem will be solved :) Watch Living Waters, if you’re open minded you’ll think about what’s said in the videos
Stephanie R. S. Hi Stephanie. I’m quite happy with what I said. Do you have specific issue?
Men have invented a great many thousands of gods. This latter statement is merely a statement of fact.
Your comment presupposes that any disciplines outside of science has to be scientific or at least, aspires to some scientific pedigree. While this is a valid assumption, it’s by no means infallible and ought to be justified.
Also, you take for granted that only rational beliefs are justified. I’m not disputing this of course but it’s very a live debate what rationality entails, as well as what justification means. Both concepts have tenuous definition and philosophers are still trying to understand them (Just look at any recent papers within the epistemology or philosophy of probability literature)
All in all, you seemed to come across as a bit too unequivocal
@@ckae2846 never in the history of our species has any god/ deity been shown to be real.
Of course some hypotheses are not falsifiable. That typically means that they are poorly considered. The inability to falsify a proposition doesn’t make it true.
Of course gods might exist but I doubt that they are the gods that humans have thus far invented.
That begs the question why do people pray and commit their lives to things not shown to be real. The simple answer is for psychological reason, tribal reasons, social reasons and because of indoctrination.