Saving a Monster Vise from the past. Metal Shaper saves the day.
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 ส.ค. 2024
- This week we machine a pair of very unique jaws for a monster Parker vise from the past. These haven't been available decades and the only way to replace missing or worn parts is to make them new. This was a job that required some special machine tools to make. I enjoyed this one!
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Shaper is the most civilized machine tool.
Thank you for doing this job for me Steve, my customer will be thrilled to get his vise back in working order. Other than hand filing for a few hours I didn't think I was going to be able to get these done for him; I now want a shaper more than ever! 😂 Really appreciate the shoutout also!
Filing for a few hours? More like months!
@@dans_Learning_Curve Thank you! Absolutely, I love old cars. I will be subscribing to you as well!
@@sblack48 It would be a task, that’s for sure! After seeing the ease of this being done on a shaper, I’m sold. I’ll be on the hunt for one
@@KendrickMachineShop much appreciated!
Filing for a few hours? Yes quite a few hours. I don't think I've filed that pile of shavings Steve had on the floor in my whole life. I've done some filing too.
Nothing new this week. This is sure worth a second visit. I hope your having a really nice weekend my dear friend.
Couldn't pull it off this week. We have had a lot going on family wise the last couple weeks.
@@SteveSummers Never a problem my friend. I hope everything is ok now. Life sure can get complicated in a hurry eh. See you next post. Take care eh.
Still remember the days when you and the shaper occupied the little partitioned corner of your (now) huge workshop. You've come a long way!
Man thanks for the reminder of my grandma. She was always retching out and wrenching things. I miss her and it was nice to smell those biscuits and gravy in my head again.
Kinda feel like I better be gettin ready for church, and some football couch naps after.
Something satisfying about operating a Shaper.
Sometimes old school is still the best way.
There’s just something therapeutic about runnin a shaper!
The rhythm of the shaper is very peaceful and it probably put me to sleep kinda like the sound of rain on the tin roof! ☝️🤠👍
Also Steve, maybe look at getting some slippers fer the shop Foreman (I.E.- Cora) I’d hate to see her injured by a metal shavings cut in one of the videos!!😢
Nice to see a shaper being used instead of a mill. Brings back happy memories😊 . No doubt, someone will mention a wire eroder with the job stood up on end. Not quite the same.
steve, I have about a fifty lbs Parker with jaws that look a lot like those you are making. I’ve been sharpening drill bits, saw blade. Chain saws, knives , wood boring bits, mower blades. Pipe wrenches. Nice to see your shop, tools and level of machining skill. You take it to a level that inspires me.
Back to the classics. Machining with the shaper never gets old.
Thank you for spending all the time it takes to make these videos.
Hadn't seen anyone use a shaper since I was a kid ! I liked running a shaper , Most shops in the North East did away with them in the 70's .
As for the real cost of owning a shaper, espeically in small scale shops (or even hobby shops) isn't even the monetary price of the machine, or the low maintenance cost over time, but rather the enormous amount of space they need. While I love the idea of one, I don't think I could justify the required space it needs in comparison to getting a surface grinder for example. And quite often the machine choice for small time and hobby shops isn't "what do I want" but "what can I fit", or "if I get this, what can I not fit anymore".
I love your way of thinking,those mashines are not the way things are done these days but they get the job done (Sorry for my english)
I know that shapers and horizontal mills have long gone out of favor for most machinists, but there are still jobs where they are the best tool for the task. Many years ago I worked in a job shop, and we still had an old horizontal mill and a smaller shaper in the shop. No, they weren’t used everyday or even every month, but there were still times when they were the perfect machine for a particular job. Would love to find a small shaper for my shop someday….
Great to see the shaper back in action! (I'm surprised she's still talking to you after ignoring her for so long.)
I've got a smaller Chas Parker vise, it's very high quality glad to see that monster vise get some love.
What an awesome project video. Thanks Steve!
"We don't need no new fangled CNC machines, we dun got a big ol' Cincinnati whitlin' machine" 😁
Awesome video.
I don't have the patience to stand next to a shaper for 4 hours. I would be CNCing that shaper real quick, complete with oil drip feed. 🤔😎
I saw your bench grinder & got a big case of bench grinder envy... whoa!!!
Thanks for sharing.
I’ve heard you can make anything you want with a shaper except money. I think I can confirm this now
Takes me back with the shaper 54 years, overhead pulley drive for many machines in the workshop.
One great this about this week’s video is an idea for another use for my shaper!
You are certainly bang on about shapers being cheap. They seem to go for scrap prices.
There is quite a demand for those Parker jaws. Was thinking why doesn't he rough the bulk of the material on the mill, and then you did :)
Excellent job, Steve.👍
Shaper work is always awesome...slow but really cool!
Keep em coming!!!!
❤we enjoy your videos
good video steve
Good morning Mr steven I apreciate your very practical teachings and accordance with our profession of machinist ,greeting from my dear colombia.
Hah, I too thought of lifting the original/template off the surface with a spacer to leave some extra! I'm an IT guy that's been watching solid machining videos for three years! Must be learning from great teachers *-)
Nice project, looks great.
The joys of shaper work! OK, you can't make money with it, but it sure is versatile!
Of course you're absolutely right about grinding your own tools Steve. Apart from the money saved it's very satisfying to get on with a job using tools you've ground yourself, and they don't need to be the perfect profile, it's all part of learning about various aspects of the trade. Thanks for the video!
The shaper is my favorite shop tool to watch doing what it does.
thanks for sharing your talents
Good Saturday Mornin Steve, Cora, and Grits! I always enjoy watching you solve a difficult task with simple solutions and not afraid to switch horses in mid stream. Thanks for the endorsement of Hi-speed steel. Carbide is good for production. Us amitures are better served by HSS. Quin always recommonded that too. Thanks for another inspiring Saturday mornin. God Bless!
One thing about carbide is that interrupted cuts tend to break them. They just can't take the shock loading that high speed can.
Noticed you using the shaper manually, good old skool stuff! So satisfying to watch it work, producing the smoke as it goes! Also good test of that awesome do all milling machine I love the styling of it it's so 70's to 80's ultra modern! And so solid!
Good to see the apprentice shop dog is learning the ropes, ie. stay away from spinning sharp things and flying hot chips. Good girl
Happy Easter Steve, Elizabeth and family.
Best wishes from Wales in the UK.
Yes I guess our president is hiding his own eggs today, isn't he? He won't know where any of them are by dinner time today I'm sure.
Thanks!
Thank you 😊
Could your bandsaw rough out the shape? Thinking hold the piece vertically and cut out a square off waste. Would give you a couple of useful a2 off cuts.
A saw is another operation and a sketchy one at that. Better to not get involved. It's not worth what the offcut would be worth to do.
Steve, me thinks you need to hunt up the vertical auto feed attachment for the Cincinnati, it would relieve you of standing there with your arm in the air. 😁
I like it! It is always a winner when you bring out the old shaper and play. Nice solution! KOKO!
Stay safe.
Shapers are such a great machine, brilliant to see it do its work so well . 👍
Great video...
Shaper work...
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Love the calm energy and background information. Great watch for someone who might be just getting into machining in the modern age and doesn't know what these older machines can do. I have a 24" 105 year old Leblond lathe. Even being limited to 300rpm, I can still make most anything needed and achieve great surface finishes even on small parts, with things like shear tools and bull noses, and some good old fashioned hand finishing with file and emery. Hand grinding HSS tools is a dying art that serves the small shop really well! Thanks for taking the time to publish this.
Steve - when you make it look this easy... we KNOW we are watching a Master! Some people will watch this and think "shoot, that looks easy, even I could do that." Well, I'm not a machinist and never played one on TV, but after watching this channel for many years I'll tell you what - these are some mad skills right here! Those that are machinists or have been watching Steve will confirm this. Well Done!
Oh how I loved doing these one off jobs like this. Seeing the shaper back up and dusted off is great. I love the rhythm. There are so many things a shaper can do the other mills etc can do. I share your passion for them. I have the same Baldor grinder I restored (Mostly paint).It seems to take forever to stop turning when shut off. It is without any vibration as well. I have only had to set/face the stones sides once and the faces seem to last forever between tuning. I got it from an overstock sale for $35.00 CDN. I should have bought 10 of them for gifts. Isn't hindsight so nice and clear, LOL. Once again my friend this time with you has passed far too quickly. All the best to you and all of yours. Little Cora have built a wonderful relationship. It is always nice to see her there with you. Thanks a bunch and hope to see you in another week.
Great explanation of setup and tooling, Steve. Sometimes, it makes a difference to the finished part.
Thank you Steve for my shaper fix, Adam no longer makes videos with his shaper now that he is getting into CNC. Not disrespecting Adam but I love the old machines and the shaper is my favorite.
Steve your old shaper is still showing a lot of nice scraping on the ram . That's a good job for a shaper . And it does take a lot of practice to grind your own tools but it can be done and you can make just what you want
cool video, thanks again....
Enjoyed…great discussion/build
Thanks Chuck, it's always great to see you. I'm checking out your video this morning 👍
Nice Work
I watch you, CEE, vintage Machinery and Squash
That shaper is so satisfying to watch.
Kind of like watching grannies' old wringer washing machine. Used one back in college and took a while to figure it out. That was on my inexperience
Being a Shaper owner and fan, love that you and others teaching videos are most helpful. One day my Klopp 450 will get reassembled and up and making chips. One thing I learn from others, was to have the cutting forces going towards the fixed jaw of the vice? But your vice is a beast, and when cutting the 15deg towards the clamping jaw, the part never moved. Thx Steve, this one added more to the ole memory bank on grinding tooling as well. thx Buddy. PS - at 24:29, that Stink Bug was checking out you grinding the tool. If you want them to leave the shop or house, place Horse Apples out side and in corners of the shop. It with also attract scorpions, and spiders. The acid from the apples will kill them. Bear.
Hey Bear, what’s a horse apple? In Ohio we use hedge apples (Osage orange fruit) to get rid of spiders, scorpions don’t bother us up north here. Lol
We might be talking about the same thing.
You may have seen this already,
Cutting Edge Engineering CEE TH-cam Channel, has a KLOPP 1000 H shaper they are renovating for their Engineering Shop just thought you may like to check it out.
@@Hoaxer51 You are. Here in East Texas, they are B'ois Darc (Boh Dark). The fruit or seed pods look like a big green orange with a surface like a brain. The tree has thorns on its limbs.
@@royreynolds108, Yep, that’s it.
@@PhotogNT I WILL , Thanks👍 More blooper material
Kurtis does nice work
I think Steve could make himself a fancy tool rest for his bench grinder. One of them multi axis adjustable tool rests where he can set compound angles on it. Maybe get a tool room wheel for it too? A nice North white wheel or something?
Nice to see some machine work again. Thanks for sharing.
Happy Easter to you all from the UK Cambridgeshire fens! Nice shaper work!
Very nice work Steve.
You and your Shaper came through to save the day.
Great project.
Thanks for sharing.
Take care, Ed.
Hiya Steve
Well done with an old machine that has not forgotten how to do it. 👍
Thank you for sharing. Very nice work.👍
Hi Steve, in my humble opinion the good old shaper is the most underrated machine tool on the planet, a well set up shaper in good condition can shift a lot of metal very quickly, if the tool loses its edge, a couple of minutes on the off-hand grinder will soon sort things out. You and Cora are starting to get like Scott and Frankers up there in Alberta. Here's wishing you and your family a Very Happy Easter from Somerset, England.
They say it will make anything but a profit.
@@stevefarley7014 I'd guess Steve has overcome that niggling detail with the number of subs he has.
Can you imagine doing the bulk with an abrasive cut off wheel, I could...
Excellent post, good to be taken through your thinking before cutting chips. Best wishes from the UK.
Hi Steve. I love my shaper the best machine in the shop. It might be slow but it's great to sit with a brew and watch it do it's thing. The Jaws turned out great.
Nice! Great to see the versatility of the big shaper.
Awesome, I’ve always loved using the shaper, it’s kind of mesmerising. Cheers, Stuart🇦🇺
I really want to thank you for your content, also for your previous response to me. I know you can’t do it all so it means a lot to me. Thanks from a ret vet!
Well done!
A2 is an excellent choice for vise jaws. Job well done.
A2 is not good for vice Jaws.
So fun to see that beautiful shaper working! Fun video for sure. Thanks!
First! Now I've watched it lol A really good reason to own a shaper Steve, I can't see any other way of doing that job without as you said custom grinding a big horizontal milling cutter and of course you need a horizontal mill as well lol The internal shape came out really well and no doubt they will look and fit perfectly, then for Logan to finish it out completely. Cheers from the UK Mate, Sam
Nice job.
On the shaper you can make whatever you want. Just go for it!
You do well on your shaper. They get it done
Nice job, Steve!
I have two of these Chas Parker vises, one large, one smaller. Both need the jaws redone in them. This was exactly what I needed to see, now I just need to grind some tooling for my Atlas 7B and get busy. Thanks for sharing this one!
Amazing job so far. Looking good. Can't wait to see the finished product. Keep up the great work that you do. Later.
Ive been using my old Lewis shaper to deck the anvil platen on a small Wilton vise restoration. It's unusual that a machine as large as your Cincinnati would not have an auto downfeed provision.
Grinding colbalt hss without mask, take care of your health mate. Be well.
Nice to see the old shaper peeling some chips.
Ready to go for a new edition!💪😊
Always exciting to see more of the shaper! I have always found those things fascinating. Thanks for the great video Steve!
Awesome as Always...Really cool project thx for sharing.Happy Easter from the UK
I'm no machinist at all but I love watching your your content wouldn't miss for the world
Thank you 😄
one of the best uve done in a long time. love it
Steve: Thank you for letting us have a quick look at Cora. Also, something that might help with directing the coolant flow on the mill. A 90 degree neoprene spark plug boot. The plug end would probably slip over the discharge end of the coolant pipe and the wire hole end would get you right up against the cutter!
I love the boot idea 💡
greate video. Love watching peoples working on old machines.
I just bought myself a Shaper, it was really cheep, but really heavy...
It has a 500 mm stoke (about 24 inch).
Shapers were abandoned because of engineers not machinists or tool and die makers. A two flute carbide insert, .750" in diameter, fly-cutter would rip out that part in no time if you buy a premium one like those from Kennametal.
Those were some nice looking jaws in the end. I would have assumed putting them on the mill, that worked pretty well.
Nicely done Steve. Cora has turned into quite the shop dog!
Great video Steve! Thanks
The shaper saves the day!
Morning Steve 😂. Nice episode 👍
Always good content!