February 5, 2023: NTSB Investigators conduct Unmanned Aircraft System operations for the Norfolk Southern freight train derailment near East Palestine, Ohio.
They pulled all fire and rescue crews back to 3/4 of a mile at about 4 hour hours into it and that came directly from Norfolk Southern. We had fire companies from Ohio, Pennsylvania, and West Virginia assisting.
@@dougbeer2697 But aren't there ways to leave water cannons turned on the fire in fixed position and then leave the area ? Heck, there must have been more than enough equipment available to constantly water down the tanks. Cold weather was an additional factor to help here versus if this was in the middle of the summer.
Man years ago u never heard about Norfolk southern trains derailing but I guess do to major cut back with maintenance crews someone is not doing their job properly cause it's happening to regularly
@@franklynn9524 I know right! It's not like Norfolk cut maintenance and upped the number of runs even though it was reported by the labor unions that that could lead to derailments. Oh wait...
@@franklynn9524 if only there was some way to prevent catastrophic failures like this through some sort of “routine maintenance” program….unfortunately that’s not in the budget ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
This was 2 days after the event. NS business interests in repairing the line as quickly as possible were of paramount importance to the company. Safety and prevention is ethical in the long term but deregulation and laying off staff makes for easy profits for those at the top.
Good call on spotting that. I wouldn't have known what I was looking at there. See my comment above. They detonated those tanker cars on purpose - all 5 of them. They did it despite knowing what kind of environmental disaster they were creating.
Ah yes, it’s all a conspiracy. Have any of you ever heard of the concept of needing to replace rail ties due to the weather of the area, necessitating the need to have rail ties on hand ready for replacement? It might not be a concept any of you understand of course
@@rodneykantorski736 They can last 30 years. Notice the can. This is in Ohio, where snow and frost are common, and the weather is not optimum. Those ties won’t last in the weather that long, especially with the weathering away of their protective coating, and the soaking of moisture that will allow for rot to take place
WHY weren’t The citizens of East Palestine moved out IMMEDIATELY when the Train derailed???? The engineer knows toxic chemicals were in those tankers. This is just another disgusting mess American citizens are suffering at the hands of politicians trying to sweep a disaster under the carpet. I sure as hell wouldn’t want to drink or shower in that water or breathe that air! It’s shocking these politicians were acting like there was nothing wrong with the water.
Where did these chemicals come from? Where were the chemicals going? What are these chemicals used for? What was the cause of this derailment of the train? Who decided they chemical will be burned? Is the combination of these chemicals more severe than just one chemical isolated? Who said the air is SAFE? Who is paying for bottled water? How are property values effected? Is it safe to bath or shower?
0. I am not someone to answer these questions, that's why I am answering this informally. 1. Where from: Norfolk Southern's customer 2. Where to: Norfolk Southern's customers customer 3. What chem: This may be a question for the DOT 4. What cause derailment: This is something that the NTSB does answer 5. Who burned: This has a high chance of being in the final NTSB report. And EPA report. 6. Is chem mix bad: This is a question for the EPA 7. Who air safe: The EPA 8. Who $ bottled water: Why would the NTSB have the answer to that? 9. How change property value: Why would the NTSB have the answer to that? 10. Is bath safe: This is a question for the EPA EPA has good info on how to start answering number 3. Particularly look at "Norfolk Southern's derail list train 32N" response.epa.gov/site/doc_list.aspx?site_id=15933 Also see this which has some of the NTSB report there may be more, I am lazy the title says update. www.ntsb.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/NR20230214.aspx
1 and 2 are vague because traincars aren't all destined or sourced from the same location. And I am lazy. You could check the "Norfolk Southern's derail list train 32N" search each car's source and destination to get that info. Again I'm lazy. Only real reason to do this though is to participate in a witch hunt.
Still waiting for Pete Buttigieg's apology for blaming Trump's rollback of proposed braking system regulations as the cause. Hey Pete, no brakes will help when the wheels fall off. Shouldn't transportation secretaries should understand this stuff and not lie to the American people for political purposes?
That's a great question Josh. I'm no expert but I do believe some some chemical fires cannot be extinguished with regular water as it causes an unstable reaction, Sometimes worse than the initial fire. Have a great day man.
At this point the cars containing vinyl chloride are cooling drastically with the only danger being frostbite if you come into contact with it. No danger of explosion. According to the EPA, not Northfolk Southern. Their ONLY solution was a "controlled burn"!
It's time to make a final rule A.A.R on the Rule 83 on SIDE FRAME KEYS you know the axle keepers. Rule 83 EM (Truck components) Frame Keys. They need to be put back in the truck frame pedestals and install the bolt or the rivet to holds the frame key in the under the axle set. Field manual book of A.A.R interchange book of rules. The side frame keys that we see laying in the rip tracks after every axle change out just laying on the ground. That the final rule that needs to be made A.A.R. It's time to put the keepers in ASP on all the cars total of (8) of them.
These huge train transport companies should have emergency response plans for each kind of chemical spill, designed for every kind of terrain and catastrophe.. Already in their computer systems ready to be accessed and altered for more exacting responses at their fingertips nearly immediately during the first moments and accessible for any catastrophic problem that may arise. Along with knowing which of their response teams need to be activated and which Federal, STATE and local governments they may need to immediately get in touch with and activated. This is no longer the 1800's where they can hide from these dangerous events any longer. Full visibility, facts, and warnings, along with reaching out for the proper response teams in any area of the country must start immediately without fail, every time. These types of catastrophes can easily rival NUCLEAR power plant disasters very quickly and can easily have as long lasting and as detrimental effects over just as large areas. And these effects can also reach around the world within hours to days. These companies have been in this business for well over one hundred years. For these companies to act like these disasters of catastrophic proportions are a surprise is ridiculous. Or like it's a once in a lifetime event they never expected as a possibility is ridiculous. For them to not be nationally prepared constantly IS A JOKE AND VERY DISRESPECTFUL TO EVERYONE DIRECTLY INVOLVED AND TO ALL AMERICANS IN GENERAL. IF THIS IS THEIR BUSINESS, IT'S THEIR RESPONSIBILITY AND THE LEAST THAT SHOULD BE EXPECTED OF THEM, IF THEY PLAN TO KEEP DOING BUSINESS ON AMERICAN SOIL, RISING AMERICAN CITIZENS LIVES, LIVELY HOODS, HOMES, AND FUTURES. THEY SHOULD ALSO HAVE A BILLION DOLLAR OR MORE MINIMUM TRUST AVAILABLE FROM EACH TRAIN TRANSPORT COMPANY AT ALL TIMES. WITH NO EXCEPTIONS READY TO START PAYING FOR ANYTHING NEEDED. And citizen groups from the involved areas must be an important part of knowing and responding to these events at every stage possible from moment one. This should be a key part of every national train transport company. Bankruptcy should never be the financial way out for these companies if they are to be in this business with these size and kinds of physical, health and environmental risks while carrying out their everyday business models. These companies that are having their chemicals transported must also keep these billion dollar trusts for their own responsibilities involved with their chemicals heading in every direction. After all, these companies that produce, store, and handle these chemicals. Should be the most knowledgeable in every aspect of what kinds of disaster responses would work best in nearly all circumstances. Much better than train transport companies alone.. There needs to be a multi prong approach to best deal with these events, for best collection, best mitigation and then into the best long term responses continually to be needed. We need the blame responses, costs and needed actions to come as directly from the parties and companies involved at every level. OR THESE CHEMICALS SHOULD NOT BE TRANSPORT IN SUCH LARGE QUANTITIES BY ANY COMPANY OR INDIVIDUALS. AMERICA NEEDS TO START FIXING ALL PROBLEMS AND POSSIBLE CATASTROPHES AT THEIR CORES BEFORE THEY HAPPEN. AND WHEN NEEDED THEY MUST BE PROPERLY HANDLED FROM THAT POINT FORWARD AS WELL. WE ONLY HAVE ONE AMERICA AND ONE WORLD. WE AS A COUNTRY MUST RESPECT AND TAKE CARE OF THESE AS BEST WE CAN. OTHERWISE WE HAVE NO OTHER PLACE TO HIDE FROM OUR OWN DESTRUCTION. Now is the proper time to work out these long term solutions. And every American and especially those effect individual in these events taking place at this time are the best ones to start this forward looking and acting needed structure of organization, rules, laws, trusts, and whatever else is to be needed... TODAY IS THAT DAY, IN THE FUTURE WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO LOOK BACK TO AS THE EVENT HORIZON THAT WILL FOREVER HELP US WORK TO PROTECT AMERICA AND THE WORLD...
What was burning in those tanker cars ? Gasoline? Fuel oil ? Liqiud nitrogen? How long did it take to burn out no attempt to put it out says volumes that it was toxic to humans . I do hope all that were involved did not injured and my thoughts and prayers to all that did perish or had to evacuate .... wow.
There is lube oil on that train per what NPR reported. EMS may have been tuld crude oil, initially? Bur all later discussion says lube oil. Vinyl chloride is the chemcal of greatest concern, it appears.
The funny thing is that Chernobyl, with a few exceptions (including the active war zone part) is…actually pretty safe? Kyle Hill has an amazing documentary series on that, by the way: th-cam.com/play/PLNg1m3Od-GgPabWaTS6tv1HomlUWvTPlr.html
They already flipped the script. You cant see what the cars had in them. they yanked that list. Now its alum doors and pressure relief valves to blame. Wonder why that flipped so quick.
Well, if they had the tracks stacked up next to where this drone took off from and we're all set to lay down new tracks, then I don't think we have to wonder why they did the "controlled" burn of not just the 1 car, but all 5 cars. They wanted to clear those cars from the area as quickly as possible so that they could lay down the tracks quickly and get the trains moving again. The safe and controlled removal of those cars would have taken weeks probably - after they cooled down, the equipment to handle them, then how do you do it. Pump them out? Trying to move those cars would have been dangerous, I'm sure they would have ruptured if they tried to move them. No doubt in my mind, they exploded those cars for 1 reason only. I doubt that there was even a danger in the one car exploding. I think they made that up and a pretense to explode the cars - which makes sense then why they exploded all 5 cars, not just the 1. Whoever pushed that decision should go to prison - and right behind them - those who allowed it.
Great drone b-roll!! Thank you so much for this interesting footage
Never a good sign when the wreckage is still actively burning by the time the NTSB shows up
They pulled all fire and rescue crews back to 3/4 of a mile at about 4 hour hours into it and that came directly from Norfolk Southern. We had fire companies from Ohio, Pennsylvania, and West Virginia assisting.
@@dougbeer2697 But aren't there ways to leave water cannons turned on the fire in fixed position and then leave the area ? Heck, there must have been more than enough equipment available to constantly water down the tanks. Cold weather was an additional factor to help here versus if this was in the middle of the summer.
Man years ago u never heard about Norfolk southern trains derailing but I guess do to major cut back with maintenance crews someone is not doing their job properly cause it's happening to regularly
It was an axle failure on one of the cars. The crew got notice and train went into emergency.
@@franklynn9524 I know right! It's not like Norfolk cut maintenance and upped the number of runs even though it was reported by the labor unions that that could lead to derailments. Oh wait...
@@franklynn9524 if only there was some way to prevent catastrophic failures like this through some sort of “routine maintenance” program….unfortunately that’s not in the budget ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Holy crap no wonder you used a drone. No joke that was too dangerous a scene to investigate directly.
Well, those High profits from cutting corners and falsifying inspection reports can now be utilised to deep clean the aquaplane.
1:31 drone footage. Flying east from CeramFab. 2:22 notice railcar flames. 2:40 close shot even more sobering.
Dear Uncle Sam, please do more to fight the greedy deregulators, profiteers, prevent more community health and safety hazards, chaos, disruption!
No sound?
This is what happens when the government relaxes safety standards
Love how all the panel track is stacked up ready for installation, right from the area the drone took off from
This was 2 days after the event. NS business interests in repairing the line as quickly as possible were of paramount importance to the company. Safety and prevention is ethical in the long term but deregulation and laying off staff makes for easy profits for those at the top.
Good call on spotting that. I wouldn't have known what I was looking at there. See my comment above. They detonated those tanker cars on purpose - all 5 of them. They did it despite knowing what kind of environmental disaster they were creating.
Ah yes, it’s all a conspiracy.
Have any of you ever heard of the concept of needing to replace rail ties due to the weather of the area, necessitating the need to have rail ties on hand ready for replacement? It might not be a concept any of you understand of course
@@AbcdEf-lz6oe Wooden Railroad ties last about 30 years before needing replacement
@@rodneykantorski736 They can last 30 years.
Notice the can.
This is in Ohio, where snow and frost are common, and the weather is not optimum. Those ties won’t last in the weather that long, especially with the weathering away of their protective coating, and the soaking of moisture that will allow for rot to take place
Good video. Thanks.
WHY weren’t The citizens of East Palestine moved out IMMEDIATELY when the Train derailed???? The engineer knows toxic chemicals were in those tankers. This is just another disgusting mess American citizens are suffering at the hands of politicians trying to sweep a disaster under the carpet. I sure as hell wouldn’t want to drink or shower in that water or breathe that air! It’s shocking these politicians were acting like there was nothing wrong with the water.
Where did these chemicals come from?
Where were the chemicals going?
What are these chemicals used for?
What was the cause of this derailment of the train?
Who decided they chemical will be burned?
Is the combination of these chemicals more severe than just one chemical isolated?
Who said the air is SAFE?
Who is paying for bottled water?
How are property values effected?
Is it safe to bath or shower?
0. I am not someone to answer these questions, that's why I am answering this informally.
1. Where from: Norfolk Southern's customer
2. Where to: Norfolk Southern's customers customer
3. What chem: This may be a question for the DOT
4. What cause derailment: This is something that the NTSB does answer
5. Who burned: This has a high chance of being in the final NTSB report. And EPA report.
6. Is chem mix bad: This is a question for the EPA
7. Who air safe: The EPA
8. Who $ bottled water: Why would the NTSB have the answer to that?
9. How change property value: Why would the NTSB have the answer to that?
10. Is bath safe: This is a question for the EPA
EPA has good info on how to start answering number 3. Particularly look at "Norfolk Southern's derail list train 32N" response.epa.gov/site/doc_list.aspx?site_id=15933
Also see this which has some of the NTSB report there may be more, I am lazy the title says update. www.ntsb.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/NR20230214.aspx
1 and 2 are vague because traincars aren't all destined or sourced from the same location. And I am lazy. You could check the "Norfolk Southern's derail list train 32N" search each car's source and destination to get that info. Again I'm lazy.
Only real reason to do this though is to participate in a witch hunt.
Still waiting for Pete Buttigieg's apology for blaming Trump's rollback of proposed braking system regulations as the cause. Hey Pete, no brakes will help when the wheels fall off. Shouldn't transportation secretaries should understand this stuff and not lie to the American people for political purposes?
Nice footage.
Honest question. Why not fly in one of the wildfire planes and drop some water across the wreckage? That would make quick work.
Special foam perhaps. Cant put water on it.
That's a great question Josh.
I'm no expert but I do believe some some chemical fires cannot be extinguished with regular water as it causes an unstable reaction, Sometimes worse than the initial fire. Have a great day man.
Why didn't they foam the heck out of the train wreck the second that they could? I do not understand.
They are using lame excuses. They have equipment that can stream water at a distance and be left turned on without anyone around.
At this point the cars containing vinyl chloride are cooling drastically with the only danger being frostbite if you come into contact with it. No danger of explosion. According to the EPA, not Northfolk Southern. Their ONLY solution was a "controlled burn"!
It's time to make a final rule A.A.R on the Rule 83 on SIDE FRAME KEYS you know the axle keepers. Rule 83 EM (Truck components) Frame Keys. They need to be put back in the truck frame pedestals and install the bolt or the rivet to holds the frame key in the under the axle set. Field manual book of A.A.R interchange book of rules. The side frame keys that we see laying in the rip tracks after every axle change out just laying on the ground. That the final rule that needs to be made A.A.R. It's time to put the keepers in ASP on all the cars total of (8) of them.
These huge train transport companies should have emergency response plans for each kind of chemical spill, designed for every kind of terrain and catastrophe..
Already in their computer systems ready to be accessed and altered for more exacting responses at their fingertips nearly immediately during the first moments and accessible for any catastrophic problem that may arise.
Along with knowing which of their response teams need to be activated and which Federal, STATE and local governments they may need to immediately get in touch with and activated.
This is no longer the 1800's where they can hide from these dangerous events any longer.
Full visibility, facts, and warnings, along with reaching out for the proper response teams in any area of the country must start immediately without fail, every time.
These types of catastrophes can easily rival NUCLEAR power plant disasters very quickly and can easily have as long lasting and as detrimental effects over just as large areas.
And these effects can also reach around the world within hours to days.
These companies have been in this business for well over one hundred years.
For these companies to act like these disasters of catastrophic proportions are a surprise is ridiculous.
Or like it's a once in a lifetime event they never expected as a possibility is ridiculous.
For them to not be nationally prepared constantly IS A JOKE AND VERY DISRESPECTFUL TO EVERYONE DIRECTLY INVOLVED AND TO ALL AMERICANS IN GENERAL.
IF THIS IS THEIR BUSINESS, IT'S THEIR RESPONSIBILITY AND THE LEAST THAT SHOULD BE EXPECTED OF THEM, IF THEY PLAN TO KEEP DOING BUSINESS ON AMERICAN SOIL, RISING AMERICAN CITIZENS LIVES, LIVELY HOODS, HOMES, AND FUTURES.
THEY SHOULD ALSO HAVE A BILLION DOLLAR OR MORE MINIMUM TRUST AVAILABLE FROM EACH TRAIN TRANSPORT COMPANY AT ALL TIMES. WITH NO EXCEPTIONS READY TO START PAYING FOR ANYTHING NEEDED. And citizen groups from the involved areas must be an important part of knowing and responding to these events at every stage possible from moment one.
This should be a key part of every national train transport company.
Bankruptcy should never be the financial way out for these companies if they are to be in this business with these size and kinds of physical, health and environmental risks while carrying out their everyday business models.
These companies that are having their chemicals transported must also keep these billion dollar trusts for their own responsibilities involved with their chemicals heading in every direction.
After all, these companies that produce, store, and handle these chemicals. Should be the most knowledgeable in every aspect of what kinds of disaster responses would work best in nearly all circumstances.
Much better than train transport companies alone..
There needs to be a multi prong approach to best deal with these events, for best collection, best mitigation and then into the best long term responses continually to be needed.
We need the blame responses, costs and needed actions to come as directly from the parties and companies involved at every level.
OR THESE CHEMICALS SHOULD NOT BE TRANSPORT IN SUCH LARGE QUANTITIES BY ANY COMPANY OR INDIVIDUALS.
AMERICA NEEDS TO START FIXING ALL PROBLEMS AND POSSIBLE CATASTROPHES AT THEIR CORES BEFORE THEY HAPPEN.
AND WHEN NEEDED THEY MUST BE PROPERLY HANDLED FROM THAT POINT FORWARD AS WELL.
WE ONLY HAVE ONE AMERICA AND ONE WORLD.
WE AS A COUNTRY MUST RESPECT AND TAKE CARE OF THESE AS BEST WE CAN.
OTHERWISE WE HAVE NO OTHER PLACE TO HIDE FROM OUR OWN DESTRUCTION.
Now is the proper time to work out these long term solutions.
And every American and especially those effect individual in these events taking place at this time are the best ones to start this forward looking and acting needed structure of organization, rules, laws, trusts, and whatever else is to be needed...
TODAY IS THAT DAY, IN THE FUTURE WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO LOOK BACK TO AS THE EVENT HORIZON THAT WILL FOREVER HELP US WORK TO PROTECT AMERICA AND THE WORLD...
What was burning in those tanker cars ? Gasoline? Fuel oil ? Liqiud nitrogen? How long did it take to burn out no attempt to put it out says volumes that it was toxic to humans . I do hope all that were involved did not injured and my thoughts and prayers to all that did perish or had to evacuate .... wow.
Vinal chloride
Many have evacuated......mandatory evac at this time!! No deaths/unjuries!
There is lube oil on that train per what NPR reported. EMS may have been tuld crude oil, initially? Bur all later discussion says lube oil. Vinyl chloride is the chemcal of greatest concern, it appears.
Vinyl Chloride which is so heavily toxic that it’s unfortunately the lesser of two evils to let it burn instead of soak into the groundwater
Well the Ohio meme warned us that Ohio was like Chernobyl before this.
The funny thing is that Chernobyl, with a few exceptions (including the active war zone part) is…actually pretty safe?
Kyle Hill has an amazing documentary series on that, by the way: th-cam.com/play/PLNg1m3Od-GgPabWaTS6tv1HomlUWvTPlr.html
They already flipped the script. You cant see what the cars had in them. they yanked that list. Now its alum doors and pressure relief valves to blame. Wonder why that flipped so quick.
Dang what a mess. It reminds me of the 2020 elections.
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That definitely was a train wreck; then they put him into that highest office!!
And now try to watch drone video from local guy. youtube: East PALESTINE Ohio train derailment disaster. (Eric'strain yard channel)
We need to get these trains rolling again!
Are you a bot?
The one in Canada was worse but the amount of damageis the same
Lac Megantic in Ohio
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Cant wait for the acid rain and socio-ecological disaster incoming, also whats up with the press being censored? Only in ohio i suppose
Where's that goofy environmental girl when you need some attention worldwide!🤷🏼♂️. The town is done.
Shes pushing her new book. Crickets from her.
@@charlotte5834 Yeah what about the paper straw and electric car people!🤷🏼♂️ Where are they at?
This video is BS. Find the camera videos people who live there took. If you work for us, thank you, but please see this situation done right.
No sound
Well, if they had the tracks stacked up next to where this drone took off from and we're all set to lay down new tracks, then I don't think we have to wonder why they did the "controlled" burn of not just the 1 car, but all 5 cars. They wanted to clear those cars from the area as quickly as possible so that they could lay down the tracks quickly and get the trains moving again. The safe and controlled removal of those cars would have taken weeks probably - after they cooled down, the equipment to handle them, then how do you do it. Pump them out? Trying to move those cars would have been dangerous, I'm sure they would have ruptured if they tried to move them. No doubt in my mind, they exploded those cars for 1 reason only. I doubt that there was even a danger in the one car exploding. I think they made that up and a pretense to explode the cars - which makes sense then why they exploded all 5 cars, not just the 1. Whoever pushed that decision should go to prison - and right behind them - those who allowed it.
Trinity Rail strikes again