I see a lot of people clowning your guy for questioning you. From my experience, coaches LOVE it when their students ask questions, because it shows they’re thinking about it instead of blindly accepting it. If i was a coach, I would love being asked questions. 👌
I'm aspiring to be a coach and you're right. I love when people actually question what I say, because not only does it get me to think more about what I'm saying, but also it becomes a group effort for us to come to a complete understanding on something. It's really fun having these discussions. But the main thing I am lacking as a coach is just that seemingly-universal understanding of any in-game situation. I can analyse and critique a VOD correctly but I can never just immediately recognise a pattern or situation in which the person I'm teaching should act a certain way. I guess that's why I'm only Ascendant, because my thought process is generally really slow unless it is a pattern that I recognise.
100%, as a fellow coach (ofc not a valorant one), the best people to coach are the ones that ask a million questions, the ones that make me think "Whats the point in me being here" are the ones that just dont care
@kishenpankhania363 some players ask questions to each other and they have solutions that are very creative. Coaches just let them do their thing and they grow exponentially!
Bro I’m not the coach but I feel so proud at his improvement! He’s doing site splits, making great plans and everything. Good luck on the grind brother~
i love that the student challenges input, shows that hes really listening to what you're saying, and wants to put what he's learned against your info and see how it matches up
I actually like when someone challenges or questions further Wohoojin! Ego or not he's immortal for a reason so can't dismiss that, but its interesting how far one can go with how he plays. Making calls vs no calls is better but growing from there is a starting point. I think thats a major starting point versus rushb or rush a.. Insightful really 👍
I dont think its ego, I do genuinely believe a good student is one who questions and challenges, it helps to show your investment in the lesson as well and helps the teacher understand what you dont understand, giving them a better idea on what they need to teach
in my opinion, questioning further or challenging a point proves that you want to learn more and take it more seriously if that makes sense edit: i didn’t read what the guy said above me but basically that
@@KWCHope I don’t remember when, but I remember in a vid woohoojin said that the players that don’t try to contradict and just listen are the easiest to coach
@@inforcer9454 Asking questions about things that don’t sense isn’t “contradicting”, it’s trying to make it make sense. You learn by repeated thinking about a subject. I would hate students who never questioned anything I said because it likely means they never think about what I say.
I'm happy you added the "post coaching clips" It was great to see him demonstrating that he retained at least some of the knowledge and he used it to ace the opposition and clown the cypher at the end lol.
Banana man I finally hit ascendant again. Your tips and videos have been a massive help. My imm mate has been calling me out for nerd shit when I tell him to hold Icebox Tube walk down at 1:32
I love the highlights at the end of the vid, super rad getting to see how he's applying all that good banana advice also as a new player who's terrified of contesting mid on ascent it's really interesting seeing an immortal duelist feeling sorta similar. gonna start forcing myself to go mid so I can get over that fear asap
isn't it such a funny coincidence that my 2 favorite educational gameplay youtubers from 2 different games (Dota2 and valorant) are both bananas? (woohoo and BSJ) banana mentors are truly on another level.
The trust teammates part is so relatable. I had my teammate in front of me, I saw them clear left corner, so I assumed it’s safe, I passed without double checking and got hit with a shotgun from that same corner. I told them that I saw them clear it, they said “I looked there”. Never trust your teammates, even your duos.
Good listeners ask questions too. Its always good to question the teach. OF course there is a difference between questioning for your curiosity and questioning to act smart.
Woohoojin, you and OD26 are the best! I love this advice and I can see JettFather implementing it into his games. You are truly the impeccable, untouchable, godlike, and unfathomable banana your reputation expects of you, I wuv u
Watching your vids is always refreshing. There is always something new i learn from them. Hopefully one day i'll get a free coaching here soon because id enjoy hearing what you have to say. There is always room for improvement regardless of rank. Thank you again for your videos Mr. Banana Man!
I know the feeling, Im D1 as well and so many people play so scared to take any gun fights. We can have full site and its a 5v3 and my four other team mates run main or sit in hell.
Hey hooj, just wanted to say that while I definitely don't follow your advice perfectly, just some of the practice and thought processes have made me more confident when I play solo queue and I'm a lot more chill when I play comp. I just double ranked back to my peak last night after the rank reset and the mental side of what you talk about definitely plays a part. Thanks for all you do for the valorant community!
seeing now that apex coaching helped me take a real analytical approach to valorant. when i play ascent i usually like playing mid attack as jett. the only time i am taking site on b is on my eco rounds to play with the team, and i usually only used updraft dash on those rounds. most of the time i will run mid especially on the 3rd round bonus when i have marshal because the cat peek is real 50/50 even if they have vandal.
Here's a reveal that wasn't further explored about this exchange in the intro clip: When my friend makes an analysis call and I say: "I think you're giving them a bit too much credit." 90% of the time it's because *I* wouldn't be making decisions as logically (even subconsciously) as what he's giving them credit for. So the reverse lesson should also be: If you think this is too logical for your enemies, you need to start to learn to apply that logic for yourself more when you're in the type of position they are in.
found this channel two days ago on the verge of quitting this game and have watched about 15 vids already. I will get better using Woohoojin's teachings.
hey banana man, i wanted to say thank you for these videos especially the movement mastery guide they helped me get from ascendent 1 to immo 1 in a week :)) hope you got to read this
Please make vod reviews on high rank lobbies like high imm or radiant players, like this video I believe i'm unbeatable on ascent for some reason. I can read through everyone XD. I can make more assumptions and guesses where they could be. thanks!
Day 9 of trying to get to gold by March 11: I am in a touch spot right now, whenever I do bad my teammates carry me to a win and when I do good I get bad teammates. Makes it feel like my skill level is not growing. I refuse to let this get to me, I will improve no matter what.
the dice headshot angle is nice! i wanna ask though, where should the guy that's holding tree be playing? gen leaves the dice guy vulnerable and the switch corner is too passive... if I wanna cover my dice guy, do I just shove tree?
I generally hate making call (unless I'm playing 5 stack), since even just calling a split like mid and a main in ascent, people still won't do it. "Omen smoke bottom mid, jett and sova go a main, the other go a short". What happen is that mid is smoked and I'm the only one going a short XD Dropping to plat from ascendant because of rank reset is just hell grind.
A few weeks ago, on an omen vod review (fracture), we saw that a one way would deter enemies from pushing. Why is it in this case they’re heavy A and throwing the one way- wouldn’t they want them to hit their strong site? 33:48
I might be wrong, but I think Hooj showed us that 1) our team generally 5 stacks offence 2) opposing team fast rotates, either autopiloting or based off the lack of fakes/lurks So if the enemy omen smoke is stalling, then it's buying time for them to rotate over.
I dislike that you immediately attribute his disagreement to negative personality traits. I’m not some all knowing oracle, and engaging in debate when you disagree with some logic is mutually beneficial to both parties in this case. While I would absolutely not disagree that jettdaddy puts on a strong ego on his streams (which I have spoken to him about), I do not believe he has any desire to be a negative influence on the community.
atleast he brought up his disagreement which lets the coach see exactly where the lack of understanding is. If you don't understand a concept it's always better to discuss it rather than let it manifest and stay with you as you climb, then it's harder to fix it
@@Woohoojin W hooj,, and for me if something is harder to understand having a mini discussion about it, asking questions etc. and not just taking everything at face value helps what you’re saying stick with me and i’ll internalize it better
Question about the intro play whether I understood the tell correctly or not: When people get tagged by a drone in this sort of situation, the direction they hop towards can be indicative of where their teammates are, because (consciously or not) they'd rather be closer to them than end up in no man's land while their location is revealed? And is this the same reason why a couple rounds later (the 140 ding A Main) you guess site is empty because the guy is running towards tree? I don't remember ever connecting those dots I'll be on the lookout now, I'm ascendant if that helps the answer.
Hey Mr banana, part way through the video jettdaddy mentions that he has a hard time holding angles and prefers to swing them and you immediately asked him his ping. Is there a certain ping where you think it’s easier to swing rather than hold? I was just wondering where you would have went with it if he had higher ping
Banana sensei , at 36:48 the enemy team is stacking , so ideally they want us to push , but Omen 1-wayed (from watching your previous content , 1-way = Man I am alone here, stalling ; How did you arrive at the right conclusion even though Omen misplayed it? sincerely , a silver
52:18 i have 70 -100 ping and its never stable i feel so uncomfortable holding an angle and i lack patience also ,but is it bad to hold with higher pings?
Hooj what button is push to talk? I cant find it ive been googling it for several hours. I even have my google search history as receipts, please dont time me out🙏
You should try to get the basics down first, I hate to be that guy but a lot of assumptions like this won't work below like immortal because this is assuming they are playing optimally, so you'd just be way overthinking. Just try to focus mainly on things like mechanics, routing as you enter a site, and most importantly positioning. To do these kinds of reads on the enemies it comes with experience, so you can let it come to you naturally for a while
@@zzz-gw2xb obviously no one plays 100% optimally, but did you not watch the video? A lot of these assumptions are based on the fact that he IS in immortal, in lower elo people don't care about map control or leaving their team alone which negates the majority of the assumptions in the video
I see a lot of people clowning your guy for questioning you. From my experience, coaches LOVE it when their students ask questions, because it shows they’re thinking about it instead of blindly accepting it. If i was a coach, I would love being asked questions. 👌
I'm aspiring to be a coach and you're right. I love when people actually question what I say, because not only does it get me to think more about what I'm saying, but also it becomes a group effort for us to come to a complete understanding on something. It's really fun having these discussions.
But the main thing I am lacking as a coach is just that seemingly-universal understanding of any in-game situation. I can analyse and critique a VOD correctly but I can never just immediately recognise a pattern or situation in which the person I'm teaching should act a certain way. I guess that's why I'm only Ascendant, because my thought process is generally really slow unless it is a pattern that I recognise.
Exactly! It tells you that they are actually invested and are keen to learn from you, probably the best feeling for a coach/teacher
Coaches also loves proving they are right!!
100%, as a fellow coach (ofc not a valorant one), the best people to coach are the ones that ask a million questions, the ones that make me think "Whats the point in me being here" are the ones that just dont care
@kishenpankhania363 some players ask questions to each other and they have solutions that are very creative. Coaches just let them do their thing and they grow exponentially!
Bro I’m not the coach but I feel so proud at his improvement! He’s doing site splits, making great plans and everything. Good luck on the grind brother~
i love that the student challenges input, shows that hes really listening to what you're saying, and wants to put what he's learned against your info and see how it matches up
dont worry banana i would never doubt you
In banana we trust ❤
and for banana we shall pray.
Hail banana
hehehehaw
I actually like when someone challenges or questions further Wohoojin! Ego or not he's immortal for a reason so can't dismiss that, but its interesting how far one can go with how he plays.
Making calls vs no calls is better but growing from there is a starting point. I think thats a major starting point versus rushb or rush a..
Insightful really 👍
I dont think its ego, I do genuinely believe a good student is one who questions and challenges, it helps to show your investment in the lesson as well and helps the teacher understand what you dont understand, giving them a better idea on what they need to teach
in my opinion, questioning further or challenging a point proves that you want to learn more and take it more seriously if that makes sense
edit: i didn’t read what the guy said above me but basically that
it's also nice to get a little more depth on the thought process or to be given examples in the content as a result of the questions
@@KWCHope I don’t remember when, but I remember in a vid woohoojin said that the players that don’t try to contradict and just listen are the easiest to coach
@@inforcer9454 Asking questions about things that don’t sense isn’t “contradicting”, it’s trying to make it make sense. You learn by repeated thinking about a subject. I would hate students who never questioned anything I said because it likely means they never think about what I say.
A good student always listen to Woohoojin. Also common Woohoojin W
Common Woohoojin W
I'm happy you added the "post coaching clips" It was great to see him demonstrating that he retained at least some of the knowledge and he used it to ace the opposition and clown the cypher at the end lol.
today jett daddy was the one receiving the dad advice.
i remember that one time jettdaddy was having a bad game and a random teammate actually told him he should get another session with woohoojinn lmao
Banana man I finally hit ascendant again. Your tips and videos have been a massive help. My imm mate has been calling me out for nerd shit when I tell him to hold Icebox Tube walk down at 1:32
I love the highlights at the end of the vid, super rad getting to see how he's applying all that good banana advice
also as a new player who's terrified of contesting mid on ascent it's really interesting seeing an immortal duelist feeling sorta similar. gonna start forcing myself to go mid so I can get over that fear asap
isn't it such a funny coincidence that my 2 favorite educational gameplay youtubers from 2 different games (Dota2 and valorant) are both bananas? (woohoo and BSJ)
banana mentors are truly on another level.
banana means brains.
@@apolloisnotashirt no it means lots of potassium
This is the collab I have been waiting for. Also chicken and banana collab is my new favorite streamer combination
you’re videos finally got me me to gold 1 thank you so much mr.banana ❤
The trust teammates part is so relatable. I had my teammate in front of me, I saw them clear left corner, so I assumed it’s safe, I passed without double checking and got hit with a shotgun from that same corner. I told them that I saw them clear it, they said “I looked there”. Never trust your teammates, even your duos.
Good listeners ask questions too. Its always good to question the teach. OF course there is a difference between questioning for your curiosity and questioning to act smart.
Woohoojin, you and OD26 are the best! I love this advice and I can see JettFather implementing it into his games. You are truly the impeccable, untouchable, godlike, and unfathomable banana your reputation expects of you, I wuv u
jettdaddy and the banana man? no way
Watching your vids is always refreshing. There is always something new i learn from them. Hopefully one day i'll get a free coaching here soon because id enjoy hearing what you have to say. There is always room for improvement regardless of rank. Thank you again for your videos Mr. Banana Man!
I've had so many deaths from other angles trusting teammates in d1, like they convieniently look away when the other team peeks
I know the feeling, Im D1 as well and so many people play so scared to take any gun fights. We can have full site and its a 5v3 and my four other team mates run main or sit in hell.
You are the only persons advice i lisen to blindly it has never failed me and I do not think it ever will.
bro is so aware, love this vod hahaha
Day 14 of thanking and appreciating Woohoojin for his educational and informative valorant content.
“Generally players match the intentions of their teammates” big KNOWLEDGE 38:34
Hey hooj, just wanted to say that while I definitely don't follow your advice perfectly, just some of the practice and thought processes have made me more confident when I play solo queue and I'm a lot more chill when I play comp. I just double ranked back to my peak last night after the rank reset and the mental side of what you talk about definitely plays a part. Thanks for all you do for the valorant community!
Man reviewed JettDaddy Les goo
banana coach slapped jettdaddy with logic 😂
my favorite crossover episode
The raze routing portion was was very informational and I love it.
thank you banana man i went from bronze 2 to gold 3 in almost 2 weeks thanks to you
Dont ever doubt the banana
Oh! I clicked wondering what the question was about, but I'm pleasantly surprised to see you were coaching jettdaddy!
i'd never doubt the banana
First time I haven’t seen Jettdaddy screaming
The blue lock bait comparison is so funny im using that with my friends
Thank you banana I am 2 games off immortal thanks to your omen tips for ascent won me my last 2 games. Mr banana you are the best
That blue lock reference lmao
this guy knows how to coach jett daddy
Woohoojin, dude. This is a top tier video.
seeing now that apex coaching helped me take a real analytical approach to valorant. when i play ascent i usually like playing mid attack as jett. the only time i am taking site on b is on my eco rounds to play with the team, and i usually only used updraft dash on those rounds. most of the time i will run mid especially on the 3rd round bonus when i have marshal because the cat peek is real 50/50 even if they have vandal.
and my site entry on those ecos are updraft dash, or im smoking switch and shutting door.
Here's a reveal that wasn't further explored about this exchange in the intro clip:
When my friend makes an analysis call and I say: "I think you're giving them a bit too much credit." 90% of the time it's because *I* wouldn't be making decisions as logically (even subconsciously) as what he's giving them credit for. So the reverse lesson should also be: If you think this is too logical for your enemies, you need to start to learn to apply that logic for yourself more when you're in the type of position they are in.
I tabbed out and then the voice was different not realizing it was the jett. I was like "why does banana man sound so different a year ago" 😭
What a banger video, haven't watched it yet, but can already tell.
Never doubt Mr. Bananaman. I’m honestly curious if you could like coach some of the big league orgs.
Jettdaddy69: "that logic only works in high Elo"
Also Jettdaddy69: *is immortal 2*
I couldn't tell if he was absorbing what you were saying by the way he was joking around, but damn, he's a sponge!
found this channel two days ago on the verge of quitting this game and have watched about 15 vids already. I will get better using Woohoojin's teachings.
you know it's good when the video is an hour long
hey banana man, i wanted to say thank you for these videos especially the movement mastery guide they helped me get from ascendent 1 to immo 1 in a week :)) hope you got to read this
Please make vod reviews on high rank lobbies like high imm or radiant players, like this video I believe i'm unbeatable on ascent for some reason. I can read through everyone XD.
I can make more assumptions and guesses where they could be. thanks!
never doubt the banana man
Day 9 of trying to get to gold by March 11: I am in a touch spot right now, whenever I do bad my teammates carry me to a win and when I do good I get bad teammates. Makes it feel like my skill level is not growing. I refuse to let this get to me, I will improve no matter what.
5:34 "THATS SO NERD SH*T!"
Me: Looks for videos
Also me: Sees new woohoojin upload
*opens video*
*looks at video length*
GODDAM
the dice headshot angle is nice! i wanna ask though, where should the guy that's holding tree be playing? gen leaves the dice guy vulnerable and the switch corner is too passive... if I wanna cover my dice guy, do I just shove tree?
Banana looking at hipyo tech keyboards?
Never thought I'd see that
potassium pope continue to guide us in your ways
"I like stealing from rich people" HES BASED?!
When you doubt the talking banana
I generally hate making call (unless I'm playing 5 stack), since even just calling a split like mid and a main in ascent, people still won't do it. "Omen smoke bottom mid, jett and sova go a main, the other go a short". What happen is that mid is smoked and I'm the only one going a short XD
Dropping to plat from ascendant because of rank reset is just hell grind.
alternative title: "jettdaddy becomes my son"
this vid was hilarious lmao
damn this guys immo 3. he was ascendant last i heard.
Is there a place to find all the crosshair lineups you have made woohoohjin? or do we just make them ourselves?
A few weeks ago, on an omen vod review (fracture), we saw that a one way would deter enemies from pushing. Why is it in this case they’re heavy A and throwing the one way- wouldn’t they want them to hit their strong site? 33:48
I might be wrong, but I think Hooj showed us that
1) our team generally 5 stacks offence
2) opposing team fast rotates, either autopiloting or based off the lack of fakes/lurks
So if the enemy omen smoke is stalling, then it's buying time for them to rotate over.
Why would you ever want them to get on site quicker?
I won't doubt you cuz I got nothing lose in bronze 2
What a surprise that someone with the most inflated ego is would be doubting a coaches knowledge
Fr. It’s also so frustrating to tell someone where to find info and more ideas (VOD) and they’re just like yeah but I don’t want to do that...
I dislike that you immediately attribute his disagreement to negative personality traits.
I’m not some all knowing oracle, and engaging in debate when you disagree with some logic is mutually beneficial to both parties in this case.
While I would absolutely not disagree that jettdaddy puts on a strong ego on his streams (which I have spoken to him about), I do not believe he has any desire to be a negative influence on the community.
atleast he brought up his disagreement which lets the coach see exactly where the lack of understanding is. If you don't understand a concept it's always better to discuss it rather than let it manifest and stay with you as you climb, then it's harder to fix it
@@Woohoojin W hooj,, and for me if something is harder to understand having a mini discussion about it, asking questions etc. and not just taking everything at face value helps what you’re saying stick with me and i’ll internalize it better
did you even watch the video?
is there a video with all of your peek line-ups? i am ready to commit to being a Nerd
Buddy has to let coach speak
weird seeing Jett daddy without him playing a character
Btw i noticed you por in the image of the video u put the chat on 4:20 pm nice one
Question about the intro play whether I understood the tell correctly or not: When people get tagged by a drone in this sort of situation, the direction they hop towards can be indicative of where their teammates are, because (consciously or not) they'd rather be closer to them than end up in no man's land while their location is revealed? And is this the same reason why a couple rounds later (the 140 ding A Main) you guess site is empty because the guy is running towards tree? I don't remember ever connecting those dots I'll be on the lookout now, I'm ascendant if that helps the answer.
Hey Mr banana, part way through the video jettdaddy mentions that he has a hard time holding angles and prefers to swing them and you immediately asked him his ping. Is there a certain ping where you think it’s easier to swing rather than hold? I was just wondering where you would have went with it if he had higher ping
I heard tenz mention about this problem before he told that >60ping is already hard to hold u either jiggle hold or swing them
Banana sensei , at 36:48 the enemy team is stacking , so ideally they want us to push , but Omen 1-wayed (from watching your previous content , 1-way = Man I am alone here, stalling ; How did you arrive at the right conclusion even though Omen misplayed it?
sincerely , a silver
Pls reply Banana sensei
Timeout 24 hrs come back tmrw
@@auxilyatg5321 haahaha, good one
ayyy its jettdaddy
Hooj you gotta get yourself a sherlock holmes banana model, that chain of deduction was simply elementary!
can you do a video on peek lineups? i cant find anyone else who has them.
this is great
this video is bananas
52:18 i have 70 -100 ping and its never stable i feel so uncomfortable holding an angle and i lack patience also ,but is it bad to hold with higher pings?
could u make a video for the common peek lineups
Why people doubt the colossal banana brain? I will never know
How could you ever doubt the banana?
Does Woohoojin have a angle peak guide for every map?
Wait so why were both of their players sitting mid and how did we know they fast rotated, sorry I just didn’t understand why
Hooj what button is push to talk? I cant find it ive been googling it for several hours. I even have my google search history as receipts, please dont time me out🙏
Banana man why did you change the intro? Now we don't get to see Brim getting destroyed every time a new video comes out 💀
Too many people kept asking how to pay for coaching, it was annoying. It has become a lot better since updating.
the current one is way better anyway, way clearer,
@@Woohoojinoh ok
I always blind trust the banana
What’s that napping thing he draws on called and is it free?
where do i find those perfect peak lineups?
Is chamber still useful? Like in haven and ascent for op
Id never doubt you
Hi banana, what do you think about the impact of reddit on your popularity?
do u have a list of the peek lineups?
I’m absolutely fascinated. I want to be able to think like you, but I feel like I’m too new to submit or get coaching (lvl 25 😅)
Start recording your matches and figure out you mistakes
@@charlesjulian5391this advice is bad.
You should try to get the basics down first, I hate to be that guy but a lot of assumptions like this won't work below like immortal because this is assuming they are playing optimally, so you'd just be way overthinking. Just try to focus mainly on things like mechanics, routing as you enter a site, and most importantly positioning. To do these kinds of reads on the enemies it comes with experience, so you can let it come to you naturally for a while
@@snowpools8498 immortals don’t play optimally. This is bad advice.
@@zzz-gw2xb obviously no one plays 100% optimally, but did you not watch the video? A lot of these assumptions are based on the fact that he IS in immortal, in lower elo people don't care about map control or leaving their team alone which negates the majority of the assumptions in the video
what tool are you using to draw on your screen?
if i submit a titanfall 2 vod would u coach me
Doubters get the scientific method
came in the first minute
both on yt and in irl :(((
I WANTED THE CLIP!