From Christianity to Atheism with Ben Watkins
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- In this video, I sit down with my friend Ben Watkins to discuss his journey from Christianity to atheism.
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Thanks for bringing both sides, both believers and non-believers, it's nice to be able to learn from different points of view in a friendly way. Thanks to the interviewer and the interviewee for this talk :)
These videos are soooo good. Keep it up Cameron!!!
I found this conversation a breath of fresh air as it was friendly conversation. I am a Muslim Theist and I hope there can be more such types of exchanges. Also, I want to thank Cameron for an excellent channel.
Your recent honesty in showing both sides deeply has really increased my respect for your work. Thanks
Good interview. Really respect Bens humble position. It’s a breath of fresh air to hear an atheist who’s also a moral realist.
We're growing in numbers hopefully! Thank you!
Normally Most atheists are Moral realist
Really? Could you give me a source pls? I know that most philosophers are moral realists, yet it seems most atheists online seem to be moral anti realists
@@senkuishigami2485 Most athesits are leftist Marxist Communist radicals. Or the ones that demand respect.
@@calebp6114 Many online atheist youtuber r Anti realist but normal ppls r realist Most atheists use Morality to show why X religion is wrong or false
Awesome interview. If we can’t talk to those we disagree with them all we are left with is misunderstanding which leads inevitably to violence after a few generations.
Good Job actually trying to understand and engage with the other side Cameron. 👍🏻. More of this kind of content :).
What is your "reality"? I come from being atheist to being a born-again christian.
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Why did you become Christian?
Exactly this! But I couldn't think of a good way to phrase it haha
I did go to different areas and I say it was very weak. Ben gives science fiction that has NO proof and it just goes unchallenged? I'm not here to make friends with everyone and play footsie, nicey-nicey. I'm here to challenge unbelievers with facts. That could have been done here rather than kissing up to people like Ben.
Good faith discussions with atheists are such a rare thing, I appreciated this one.
Me too.
Good faith from which side??
*groan* Would you appreciate it if I said, "Intelligent discussions with Christians are such a rare thing"?
@@LandonMetochoi AwakenwithJP has got a video called how to be an atheist which kind of sums up most discussions with atheists I've seen and participated in pretty well, please watch it.
This discussion was a nice break from that.
True, it's so rare because Christianity is hostile and vile.
What a great example of how knowledge can get in the way!
I want a round table discussion between Ben, Trent, Joe, and Flynn. All seem like bright gentleman.
Check out our recent episode where we do a discussion with Joe on our recent debate with Trent!
I'm so glad there are non theists like Ben Watkins. They are challenging and I don't always understand them, but I had to be exposed to different views and arguments.
Problem of Evil?
I'd LOVE to see a debate between Ben Watkins & David Wood on that point.
I am from South Carolina as well and saw the solar eclipse. I had pretty high anticipation for that event, and it still was well beyond my expectations. If you have the opportunity to be in the path of totality and witness a full eclipse, you should definitely do it. If you’re in North America, I think there may only be two more opportunities in our lifetime and the next one is 2024
do you agree with Ben that no video or picture has captured the magnificence of the event, colors etc? if so, interesting how nothing that we have created can see or capture those visuals, but our eyes can. Things that make you go hmmmm?
@@liljade53 this is a great question and probably something someone working in aesthetic philosophy should do some work on. I would definitely agree with Ben. You feel frustrated as soon as you attempt to capture the moment because the video or picture is so mediocre compared to the experience. Honestly I would recommend not even trying- not wasting time attempting to capture a mediocre image or video and instead spending time capturing it in your memory to the fullest extent possible.
@@coltoncauthen8696 I agree on just enjoying a magnificent sight our eyes alone were made to see. Makes me think of quantum entanglement, but I'm not sure I can verbalize why. :)
@@liljade53 "no video or picture has captured the magnificence of the event, colors etc?"
It helps if you understand photography and use the right equipment. A cell phone camera just won't hack it.
At totality (near noon) the sky is dark overhead and grades to sunset colors at the horizon, all 360 degrees.
The moon is a dark disk, with the corona of the sun visible flaring out around it. Depending on exposure, you can make out some detail in the corona. If you are very lucky, just as the sun begins to reappear from behind the moon you might catch the "diamond ring effect" part of which is an artifact of lens flare and internal reflections from the lens elements.
You need a fairly long telephoto lens to fill the frame with the eclipse, something on the order of 600 mm.
@@machintelligence thanks. Are there any photos that captured the diamond ring effect, that you are aware of, online? (although even that photo's colors may be distorted by my inexpensive chromebook)
Thanks for hosting a friendly atheist and getting into a good conversation.
Christian friend of mine told me to watch this because of my obsession with Hegel. This interview did not disappoint. I wonder if anyone has done a Christian reading of Hegel.
Uhhh, there’s this one anti-Semitic Catholic right-Hegelian guy who’s done some debates on MDD who’s name escapes me, but that’s all I can recall off of the top of my head.
@@whatsinaname691 Not interested in the work of any anti Semite. Even a Hegelian one.
@@brycepardoe658 Beggars can’t be choosers?
I've never understood why people have an issue with "the problem of evil." In my opinion, scripture answers that question.
I have to say I expected something a bit more controversial with this interview. It seems like you found the most Christianity-affine atheist out there, he feels more like an agnostic waiting to reconvert to Christianity.
For real, this is one of the atheist that i don't feel strange hearing him, maybe is his voice
This isn't surprising at all, its rare for Cam to have an atheist on. Its not surprising this is the guy he'd pick.
@@jacoblee5796 are you kidding me lmfao. He literally just had on Ehrman and Oppy
@@RadicOmega LOL I’m well aware, I’ve watched the videos. Not sure I get your point.
I think my favorite thing about Ben is his accent lol
Sounds like home haha
That was nice, his former religion seems a bit similar to Jehovah's witnesses, but decentralized without it being a high control group
He sounds more like an agnostic, which is good because he's finding it hard to let go of his religious beliefs. I hope his journey of lack of faith guides him to a place he is satisfied with
Most atheists are really agnostic. True atheism takes every bit of faith as theism.
isnt everyoune on this planet agnostic??you guys are confusing terms ,agnosticism addresses knowledge not beliefs and to the question "do you believe in god?" there are only 2 possible answers, yes (theist) and no(atheist) regardless if you know or not.
@Tony DC I cannot see other comments beside mine and your last comment although it says 4 answers ,youtube is tripping.
@@Mysterychannel12 TH-cam censors certain posts when specific words are used because I can see the comments in my notifications, they just don't show on here which is weird. Thanks for the feedback, btw! Some people would argue against being agnostics but rather would be regarded as believers; that's why I used it instead of agnosticism(his belief). I didn't mean anything bad by it because I saw some people harshly critiquing his change in beliefs.
@@justkholii_4296 agnostic would not be reagarded as believer ,if someone says Im agnostic about god ,it would mean that he does not know if god exist but would not say anything about his belief in god.
There are 4 positions you can have on god
"agnostic -theist "someone who believes in god but does not claim to know if it exists.(logical position)
"gnostic theist" someone that believs in god and claims to know that it exists.(illogical position)
"agnostic-atheist" someone that does not believe in god but does not claim to know that god does not exist.(logical postion)
"gnostic-atheist" someone that does not believe in god and claims to it does not exist.(illogical position)
Saying someone is just Agnostic ,does not tell you anything because everyone is technically agnostic when it comes to god.
Drinking game: take a shot every time Hegel is mentioned.
😂
Being raised in christian faith doesn't make one a christian. That's the confusing part in America and the church today. I was raised a catholic, became atheist after being taught evolution. 7 years of atheism to me a meaningless existence though I tried to find one :), now a born-again christian when the God I didn't believe in answered me. Seek Him alone for Truth.
“Most of the people who think they have rejected God have really only rejected a caricature of him.” - Rich Hannon
When my dad was a boy (over 100 years ago), he received extensive instruction in ostensibly Christian traditions.
Three other things profoundly influenced his thinking, however. 1: His father (my grandfather) read the Bible aloud to the whole family every day. 2: My grandfather wasn’t Hebrew but he was the caretaker for the Hebrew cemetery in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. One of his “benefits” was the use of a three-room house (and a large garden plot) on the cemetery grounds. So the whole family learned things about the beliefs and practices of some of the Hebrews in Pittsburgh. 3: The worship services my dad’s family attended had the benefit of a liturgical reading from the Psalms, a reading from the Gospels and a reading from the Epistles each Sunday.
When Dad was in his twenties (in the 1920s), he learned about John Wycliffe, a theologian who defied tradition in the fourteenth century by a) declaring that the Bible was more authoritative than traditions and by b) translating the Bible into Middle English. Whereas my grandfather had been diligent about reading the Bible, Dad became diligent about studying it.
Dad adopted the five solae of the protestant reformation and Dad agreed with Wycliffe and Martin Luther that the bread and wine of the Lord’s supper is not transformed by the ceremony of the mass into the body and blood of Jesus. Dad also agreed with Wycliffe that death is an “unconscious sleep between death and the resurrection” and with Luther that death “is a fine, sweet and brief sleep”.
Dad didn’t agree with John Calvin that God decided before we were born who would be saved and who would be lost but Dad did agree with Calvin that it is God who will decide - not any priest on earth (as millions had been encouraged to believe before Calvin mounted his very specific challenge to that belief).
Dad agreed with the anabaptist emphasis on believers' baptism and with the baptist emphasis on immersion.
Dad didn’t abandon all of the traditions he had been taught as a boy but he tried to teach my siblings and me his reasons for discarding some of them. He told me the most important disagreement he had with his more traditional upbringing was with the doctrine that clergy should interpret scripture for the laity - which is why I always thought of Dad’s religion as personal - not institutional. Several times when I was a boy, he urged me to read for myself, study for myself and think for myself.
Several times over the last fifty years, I’ve asked people who called themselves “atheists” to tell me about the God they had rejected. In each case so far, the answer was a list of doctrines that my dad rejected when he was in his twenties and that I have never adopted.
I mention all of the above as a way of suggesting that agnosticism and atheism are not the only alternatives to the traditions (and traditional interpretations) that are widely considered Christian.
Every atheist has their own reasons for rejecting Christianity. Some have rejected Christianity due to the very conflict created by your dad which was that he rejected Christ's Church in favor of his own made-made beliefs such as sola scriptura. By creating his own belief system that was not handed down by the Apostles and by being a sectarian who didn't point to the Apostles, all Protestants cause disbelief and scandal to the world.
@@p.doetsch6209 I’d be interested in your perception of the current situation in eastern Europe.
Reports seem to indicate that, in recent years, people who adhere to the beliefs and practices of traditional Judaism and people who adhere to the beliefs and practices of Islam have been tolerated in Russia but have been treated as second class citizens while more and more restrictions have been placed by Mr. Putin’s government on protestants in Russia.
Do you think the Russian Orthodox patriarch of Moscow, Vladimir Mikhailovich Gundyayev (aka Patriarch Kirill) considers himself to have the authority Jesus gave to his apostles?
Do you think Patriarch Kirill thinks considers it to be anti-Christian for the government of Ukraine to permit freedom for protestants and for the adherents of Islam and traditional Judaism?
Do you think Mr. Putin wants to be remembered as someone who Made Russia Great Again?
I won’t ask you to decide whether Mr. Putin’s motives are sincere but do you think he calculates that collusion with Patriarch Kirill will make it easier to motivate Russian Orthodox soldiers to try to bring Ukraine under the authority of both the civil government in Moscow and the authority of Patriarch Kirill?
@@rogermetzger7335 Anyone aligning themselves with earthly princes like Putin to secure political power isn't focused on Christ. The Russian Patriarch can be known by his fruits. As far as Putin, I'm sure he will stop at nothing and he won't leave any perceived advantage unleveraged. Regardless, that has nothing to do with the Body of Christ, that is the Church. Either the institution is Christ established or it is not. There's only One, Holy, Universal, and Apostolic Church established by Christ.
@@p.doetsch6209 Are you telling me that the "One, Holy, Universal, and Apostolic Church" wasn't aligned with earthly princes during the sixth through the late eighteenth centuries?
@@rogermetzger7335 Lots of things that were, shouldn't have been. What does it matter?
Good interview with Ben's thoughts well explained. I'm not an atheist though.
It would be good if you could get a Muslim from the Dawah Team (Speakers Corner) to speak coherently about their position. 😊
All this as a result of an eclipse. I saw the eclipse in 17 & had the exact opposite thought. It brought me to the event of the crucifixion when it went dark. There must be a God who is in control of all these cosmic events let alone the fine tuning of the universe something can't come from nothing so there must have been a creator. I have never heard an agnostic or atheist answer this question. They think not believe it just popped out of nothing. Explain that plz they can't.
@Anon Ymous my God is eternal never created always was & always will be. He is THE CREATOR!! So u c nothing was created without Him. I agree it takes faith 2 believe but there is enough evidence just take ask the question where did all this come from & the only one who claims credit 4 it as far as I know is God.
Interesting how people like Ben cannot escape the notion that they actually direct their thoughts or that they have come to believe something is true when what is happening is just physics… weird how the universe brings such a peculiar state of affairs into being. Particles are so zany!
Therefore, Yahweh exists?
@@piano9433 see… super zany!
@@gingrai00 Sye Ten Bruggencate? Is it you?
@@piano9433 is that Latin or something? 🤪
@@gingrai00 He’s a Presup guy
3:55 PineCreek theorem!
As a former believer in Christianity turned agnostic non-theist, I disagree with Watkins on his take on the moral argument for God. The moral argument is the weakest argument for theism.
Morality is the cognitive ability innate in social creatures which enables them to distinguish what is good (preferable), and evil (not preferable), and is derived from empathy and reciprocity, in which functions to facilitate cohesion within the social group, and has come about through evolution. Morality doesn't exist outside of social creatures. When a volcano erupts and kills hundreds of people, it is not an immoral or evil volcano.
You don't need a God to have morality or to be moral, so it's not an argument that one can derive the existence of God from.
P.S. Hats off to Cameron for having more interviews with those of opposing views to his.
Cam please ask Alex O Connor to make a series with Joe on Ontological argumentS just like THE KALAM series by Rationality rule n Joe
I am someone who finds the "problem of evil" an incredibly weak and unconvincing argument. So I'm curious what he finds so compelling about it. Aristotle basically answered that question ages ago
How did he?
I do too, unless we're talking about a very specific type of god who is defined as not allowing anything described as evil to 'exist' when things falling under that category happen despite that. That would imply that the existence of that entity is self-contradictory. However, that isn't usually something people propose, so in most cases I don't think it demonstrates anything.
I find the atrocities committed or commanded by the old testament god to be quite problematic.
*This website is designed to spread the vicious truth about the Bible. For far too long priests and preachers have completely ignored the vicious criminal acts that the Bible promotes. The so called God of the Bible makes Osama Bin Laden look like a Boy Scout. This God, according to the Bible, is directly responsible for many mass-murders, rapes, pillage, plunder, slavery, child abuse and killing, not to mention the killing of unborn children.* I have included references to the Biblical passages, so grab your Bible and follow along.
*It always amazes me how many times this God orders the killing of innocent people even after the Ten Commandments said Thou shall not kill.* For example, God kills 70,000 innocent people because David ordered a census of the people (1 Chronicles 21).
God also orders the destruction of 60 cities so that the Israelites can live there. He orders the killing of all the men, women, and children of each city, and the looting of all of value (Deuteronomy 3). He orders another attack and the killing of all the living creatures of the city: men and women, young, and old, as well as oxen sheep, and asses (Joshua 6). In Judges 21 He orders the murder of all the people of Jabesh-gilead, except for the virgin girls who were taken to be forcibly raped and married. When they wanted more virgins, God told them to hide alongside the road and when they saw a girl they liked, kidnap her and forcibly rape her and make her your wife!
*Just about every other page in the Old Testament has God killing somebody!* In 2 Kings 10:18-27, God orders the murder of all the worshipers of a different god in their very own church! In total God kills 371,186 people directly and orders another 1,862,265 people murdered
The God of the Bible also allows slavery, including selling your own daughter as a sex slave (Exodus 21:1-11), child abuse (Judges 11:29-40 & Isaiah 13:16), and bashing babies against rocks (Hosea 13:16 & Psalms 137:9). ***This type of criminal behavior should shock any moral person.***
***Murder, rape, pillage, plunder, slavery, and child abuse can not be justified by saying that some god says it’s OK.*** If more people would actually sit down and read the Bible there would be a lot more atheists like myself. *Jesus also promoted the idea that all men should castrate themselves to go to heaven:* For there are eunuchs, that were so born from their mother’s womb: and there are eunuchs, that were made eunuchs by men: and there are eunuchs, that made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it (Matthew 19:12). *I don’t know why anyone would follow the teachings of someone who literally tells all men to cut off their privates.*
The God of the Bible also was a big fan of ritual human sacrifice and animal sacrifice.
*And just in case you are thinking that the evil and immoral laws of the Old Testament are no longer in effect, perhaps you should read where Jesus makes it perfectly clear:* It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid (Luke 16:17). There are many more quotes on this topic at my Do Not Ignore the Old Testament web page.
*If you follow the links on this site you will learn about all the nasty things in the Bible that are usually not talked about by priests and preachers.*
www.evilbible.com/
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Google *"10 Biblical Atrocities That Go Overlooked (Part 1) - Real Bible Stories"*
(Written by a former minister)
Google *"10 Biblical Atrocities That Go Overlooked (Part Two) - Real Bible Stories"*
(Written by a former minister)
Google *"God's 12 Biggest Dick Moves In The Old Testament - Gizmodo Australia"*
Google *"The Will of God - The Christian Delusion"*
Google *"The 10 Worst Old Testament Verses by Dan Barker - Freedom From Religion Foundation"*
(Written by a former preacher)
Google *"Top 20 Evil Bible Stories - Religion - Nigeria"*
Google *"God is the Source of Morality. (Not.) | atheologica"*
Google *"Is God Necessary for Morality? | atheologica"*
Google *"What Would Jesus Do? - Evil Bible .com"*
Google *"Why Jesus? Nontract (August 1999) - Freedom From Religion Foundation"*
It's interesting but problem of evil was one of the reason why I became as Christian.
@@bahadrunay
How does one _become_ a Christian because of the problem of evil? I can understand switching from one theistic religion to another because maybe you think Christianity handles the problem better, but the puzzle only arises if you believe in a god with the omni properties to begin with.
"Duspense with burdens of justification".... was that a dig? 😂
So this was filmed back in Sep 2021 when he debated Trent. Is it normal for this channel to post an interview that happened so long ago? A lot of his views may have changed since then, no?
Psalms 53 ❤
From life to death pretty much
I knew Ben for many years when we were teenagers and into college, (and still live in SC with my husband and kids) so I remember his family and his humble upbringing, I even went to one of the meetings he speaks of. It was very odd. Not surprised at all about his change. I am now an atheist as well, but I never grew up in the church myself. Proud of you, Ben!
Imagination is powerful to embrace the first and oldest truth, Christians do favor limitations a lot, good luck! Ecclesiastes 3:15: “That which is, already has been; that which is to be, already has been; and God seeks what has been driven away.” The “natural man” cannot grasp that, for to him reality is based only on the evidence of the senses. The man of reason could justify the verse’s end, saying if it has any meaning then the writer must mean recurrence. The sun comes every day and the moon completes its cycle and the seasons come and go. If we took a picture of the universe today, the scientists can compute how long it will take to return to this point in the picture. So the intellectual man could justify the verse; but that is not what is meant, for it is addressed not to the man of reason or the man of sense, but to the man of Imagination. What is it all about? “That which is, already has been; that which is to be, already has been, and God seeks what has been driven away.”
Do you call him a liar who hates god and just wants to sin, too? Or is that only for people who can't hold you personally accountable for trying to score points over their backs?
Great interview. Ben Watkins is a super interesting dude. I've always been impressed by the way in which he's engaged with theists.
Thank you! Really much appreciated.
@@RealAtheology Exactly dude I can respect Ben Watkins even though I disagree with what he says if can be considerate of his position as an atheist
He reminds me very much of me when I was a skeptic. Perhaps that means there’s hope for him
This guy was cool
What if Horus existed and not the Abrahamic God? The difference is the first was invented more than 2000 years earlier than the mythical Jesus. Or Mithra which shares some similarities with the mythical Jesus
It's amazing that in most parts of the U.S.A. grandma can say "i have jesus in my heart and i know i will see him in heaven" ...... crickets.
Then someone like Ben says " i do not believe in god" .... Spanish inquisition.
I have Bill Murray in my heart
I'm so interested to why he thinks libertarian free will helps the theist.
Same
Also, Rhett and Link have great deconstruction videos on their podcast Ear Biscuits. They have several updates about it as well.
I wonder if he's ever had supernatural experiences, like praying for something and getting a prophetic word from unknown Christians or having had visions or met angels. Those things make discarding belief in God quite difficult.
JC,....Those things will never happen. That nonsense only comes from the apostate church.
He said he didnt
@@brucewayne9639 I must have missed that. The supernatural is a real party of believers' lives. It's not the most important but it makes a difference.
@@republiccooper ,....There is no supernatural things that happen. There are only fake supernatural things that happen in the apostate church. It is all fake. Your manmade party is a fraud. The church is a gathering of the unsaved, of the blind, lost, and deceived.
@@republiccooper I kind of agree I was agnostic most of my life until some events in my life that I believe were supernatural occured so I understand where you come from.
If God truly calls you ,you can’t resist! Look what happen to Jonah.
Jesus Christ was born into His Pre-existence of interactions between God, also known as Yesh, and the Goddess, also known as Barbelo. One was the "Unknown" and the other was the "Silence", similar yet different. Their interactions were like those of two galaxies merging, spinning and merging, sometimes passing through each other, dancing and mixing. From these interactions, Jesus Christ was born, known at the time of "Autogenes", which means Self-Generated One. Alongside Jesus, two other facets of God were born, Jehovah and the Holy Spirit, these three being the Trinity of Christianity, with each being one third of the other and being three facets of the Ineffable Father, that together reveal the One and True God.
where did the goddess part come in ?
Ben, why do you think it is that you keep « finding » yourself in « camps »? 2. Are you sure the world is rational if you’re so broken up by evil in the world?
What does it mean for the world to be rational?
@@Apanblod I was quoting him. We both mean that the world is rational as an object of rationality (we can make sense of things).
@@dylan3456 I see. I have to admit I find the definition somewhat bewildering, but only because I can't really imagine what it would be like for reality not to be rational in that sense, i. e. that we couldn't make sense of it (to some degree).
@@Apanblod Exactly right. Some people like myself find wonder in the fact that we are the only rational animals and you’ll see why it’s wonderful.
@@dylan3456 But that's not the same issue. I meant the hypothetical scenario you seemed to describe in which the universe, or reality, would be such that it couldn't be assessed rationally, regardless of our capabilities.
And I wouldn't necessarily agree that we are the only rational animals, depending of course on how you define rationality. Even if it were the case I don't know what conclusion one could draw from it other than that that was the case.
I thought Christians were not supposed to be friends with unbelievers. tell the dude to look into the shroud of Turin case closed!
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No thanks, I can't even watch this. As a former atheist/agnostic it makes me sad that people walk away from Christ. I hope he wakes up and finds the truth again.
The moral agents argument is problematic, because moral agency can easily be described through evolution, and the neurological growth of the species moving towards bettering our environment for one another through instinctual drivers. A godly entity being responsible for moral agency is problematic because that entity isn't accessible to everyone, or anyone really, they just think they have access to it. Because of that, everyone has their own version of what they think is their gods morality, and even within "Christianity" there are thousands of different versions of what is moral. It gets more complicated when you have 2 billion Muslims who have millions of different versions of their gods morality, or 1.5 billion Hindus with millions of different versions of their gods morality. Religion doesn't provide objective morality, and it makes the conversation of what is best for a community much harder.
I don't think this guy is actually an atheist. If he is, he's not a very skeptical or critically thinking one.
What about the problem of atheism?
There are plenty of “gaps” in the atheistic account of the universe, but that is not necessarily a bad thing.
NF,.....Atheism is just another manmade religion. Just a religion that is more specifically opposed to God and the Bible than some other manmade religions.
@@Dialogos1989 The Problem of Atheism isn't gaps. Every belief system has gaps (unless one claims they are omniscient). No, the problem of Atheism is if one ever attempted to rationally justify it, it is necessarily incoherent and contradictory.
It seems that Ben has been significantly influenced by Hitch. I'd like to know if he has read his memoir "HItch-22" or if he has listened to Alex O'Connor's (formerly CosmicSkeptic's) video, "The Sophistry of Christopher Hitchens". It seems from the latter at least that many, most, or even all of Hitchens's arguments in favor of atheism were severely wanting.
I've just today heard that he finds the "You Deny One Less God" cringe-worthy. How I wonder does Ben respond to the fact that so many of the leading popular atheists spew so much of peurility? Dawkins, Barker, and Shermer have all regurgitated this pablum. We aren't talking about some football hooligan atheist who has had about 10 drinks too many in the pub after the game. Piffle from such might be excusable. We are asking why the world's leading atheist populizers spew it. Using the form of Ben's, "Why I am an Atheist" essay, it would appear that the options are limited to 1) They are too unaware to see the cringe-worthiness of the 'argument', or 2) They are propagandists, unfazed by the need to employ sophism anytime, anyplace - whatever it takes to win the game.
Ben's ability to see the "You Deny One Less God" as cringe-worthy in fact is in line with his fellow atheist who says of Dawkins's book, "Second, unlike the new atheists, I take scholarship seriously. I have written that The God Delusion made me ashamed to be an atheist and I meant it."
Time is short church. Pray.
Amen.
I wouldn’t call what Benjamin was raised in CHRISTIANITY BUT A CULT BELIEF. That can account for him leaving what he calls Christianity. He is a follower of people not the Deity of GOD. He is searching in all the wrong places not where he will find GOD but a lot of ideologies . GOD isn’t intellectual He is REAL and Spiritual if the heart not the head. Very SAD!
I would say that yeah, maybe he saw some things that seemed to him very primitive, like going around in circles that can be seen in Africa, i honestly would be thinking that.
No True Scotsman......
I would say all sects of Christianity are cult like, yours isn't special.
He doesn't believe the way i do so i can dismiss him and his version of christianity and continue on with my god unfettered. Very sad.
"If the Universe has a necessary explanation, then the Universe is necessary". This doesn't even rise to the level of a logical fallacy. It's simply a grammatical one that conflates the meaning of necessary from the explanation of a thing to the thing itself by grammatical sleight of hand. Yikes! Hopefully he'll double back and review his tracks to see exactly where he lost his way.
i am curious about anyone abandoning faith (which could've had happened to me too a few times!!!) - regardless of reasons such as the problem of evil, the inerrancy of the Scriptures, the mysteries, the science, evolution, etc. - my question to all would be: WHAT DO YOU DO WITH JESUS? He is so deeply not just into the Bible, but creation, space, logic, philosophy, art, nature, dreams, supernatural! His story is impossible to make up. His character is even more impossible to make up because no one would be able to make it up because it's not a work of humans! His own disciples failed Him and His own family rejected Him, and He won people's arguments in the unheard wisdom, and He brought deeper commandments so that what - He would be invented? hmmm, extremely unlikely.
every hero in any story/movie points to the Savior - the true myth, Christ. this was Tolkien's argument to C.S. Lewis before he converted. but SERIOUSLY - the case of Jesus' divinity and resurrection is so overwhelming - not to mention PERSONAL EXPERIENCE with Him if you belong to Him!!! so, again - WHAT DO YOU DO WITH JESUS when you're about to leave the faith because of science or the problem of evil? the truth about Him does not disappear!!! just because you have paradoxes and though questions should not logically disprove Jesus' existence or divinity.
Hi, Frank Turek disciple! You are making an argument from popularity. Just because something is popular or influential does not in any way comment on the truth of it. Harry Potter and Star Wars are popular, too. That does not mean their "story is impossible to make up." I would recommend you critically think before posting Frank Turek tripe.
@@LandonMetochoi hi anti-Turek disciple! first of all, i am the disciple of our Lord, Jesus Christ, not some Turek. second, WHO mentioned anything being "popular"??? you may have mistaken by typing on the wrong post/person. if Jesus is THE truth, and He is, no amount of evil or "science" (secular knowledge) can or should discredit that. sure, i have my share in suffering and i wondered where was God in those situations. still, Jesus' divinity and existence are not depending on our suffering or having tough questions and doubts. i doubt often so many things. there's no sphere of life where there is no doubt. but the reality of Christ stays and echoes throughout the universe and us - how shall we answer? "what do you say, SImon Peter, Who am I"? is the question for all of us!
Harry and SW are like all heroes - pointing to our need for a Savior! and He is here! we don't need to invent Him, just to look for Him and to trust Him. all the myths carry truth inside themselves because they all point to our need for God. we inevitably worship something or someone, so since this is our inevitable role, let's worship the One who is the Truth!
@@TheNikolinho your projection is nauseating...nothing and no one is worthy of worship. The very concept of worship is, and has always been, a coping mechanism reserved for those unwilling, incapable, or too weak to think for themselves. Those who feel a need to worship and fall in line are essentially the intellectual bottom-feeders of society - primed to be manipulated by that which they worship. Nothing more than hollowed husks of meat controlled like pawns.
@@TheNikolinho you hit the nail on the head there. “If Jesus is THE truth”
Yeah let God be true and every man a liar
Just to be clear for those that watch this, Two by Two's is a cult. It's NOT Christianity. Also called "the way", "the truth", "the church with no name" and several other names. They have a different salvation method and other cult features, so it is not "fundamentalist christian".
Just to be clear Christianity has some features that can make it a cult as well. After all what percentage of things does a organization have to have to fall into the realm of being a cult?
25% 55%?
"In modern English, a cult is a social group that is defined by its unusual religious, spiritual, or philosophical beliefs, or its common interest in a particular personality, object, or goal."
Unusual is subjective really so what might seem normal in your group of Christians is unusual to me and therefore a cult.
Then again there are so many variations of groups who call the Bible their books that to be honest it is all just BS and it is easier to group it like that.
@@ThyBountyHunter You can take issue with my claim of labelling it is a cult, that's fine I did not define how I was using that term. I was wanting to point out the Sect, Cult, Group, (or whatever term you want to use for the Two by Two's) is NOT Christian. Ben claimed it was, but that is not correct. (He may believe that, he probably was taught that it was.) They (Two by Two's) teach and believe different things on very key aspects of the Christian Faith, which makes them NOT Christian. I was wanting to point that out to any listeners to this video. I have many years of direct personal experiences with this "Group" (if group is a better word for you to identify them), and I have some light research into the group from several years back. You can find information if you are interested to look, but it does take some time. They have deliberately tried to stay off the radar and be hard to find. They won't officially own Church building, they use many different names when owning properties...basically, they stay "off the books" as best as they can to be under the radar. But there is some information out there to find. Someone I know very well was a targeted recruit of their in our area....so that's what triggered my looking into this "group" several years ago. I wish you the best, I just wanted others to know that they should distinguish this group apart from Christianity.
@@tmodd2032 "You can take issue with my claim of labelling it is a cult, that's fine I did not define how I was using that term. I was wanting to point out the Sect, Cult, Group, (or whatever term you want to use for the Two by Two's) is NOT Christian. Ben claimed it was, but that is not correct."
They see themselves as Christian therefore they are.
After all how you acted here is not what I see is Christ like so to me you are not a true Christian either. After all how is it your place to judge other.....Christian's when the Bible says not to judge others.
So you see you are not a true Christian either as you judged others.
@@ThyBountyHunter I am sorry you feel that way. The bible does not say what you claim. That same verse, please keep reading. It is a verse that is teaching correctly on how to judge. Read the bible in context to better understand what it is saying. Anything out of context can be misused. If Christianity teaches one thing, and the 2 x 2's teach contradictory things. One is correct, one is incorrect or they are both correct. Two contradictory things can not both be true. I wish you the best in your journey. Look for truth.
*incorrect (typo)
I can’t believe that your stated goal is “to bring the best of both Atheism and Theism to a wider audience.” You’re admittedly pushing atheism. You’re also apparently promoting every religion that falls under the category of “theism” too, which is I guess why you’re so fond of Catholicism.
Or maybe he's so fond of Catholicism because it has the best historical support to be Christianity as envisaged by Christ, and going all the way back to the Cross. You should also try to be more charitable, there: allowing urbane discourse with a party you disagree with is not a sign of weak faith - on the contrary, if one has a strong faith, one can entertain as many atheists and members of other religions as you want without conceding a single inch of the Truth - but if you're so thin-skinned you feel compelled to censor others who don't share your faith commitments, maybe you're the one who should revise how robust _yours_ are
All the historical support in the world means nothing next to the clear condemnation of Catholicism in the Bible. History by nature is unclear and unreliable and constantly changing with every new discovery, and the Bible is the opposite of all those things.
And I’m all for charitable discourse and for speaking the truth in love, but this goes WAY further than that. Unbelievers and their unbiblical ideologies are constantly being excused and celebrated and promoted on this channel, by admission and as if it were a good thing. That’s wrong. What part hath he that believeth with an infidel? I’m not for censorship, I’m against evangelizing false religions. We’re supposed to abhor that which is evil, not make it look good to our 120K subscribers.
@@Santiago_Fernandez when was the Bible canonised?
@@jackdaw6359 Psalm 119:89 KJV
[89] For ever, O Lord, thy word is settled in heaven.
Since for ever. If you depend on the decrees of Catholic clergymen to let you know that the gospel of John was written by Deity and the gospel of Judas wasn’t, and if it isn’t obvious to you, then you’re spiritually blind mate. The canon is obvious to any believer who’s spent five seconds reading any of the imposter books and comparing them to the real thing. It doesn’t have to be inherited by tradition.
If you’re convinced that I got my canon from Catholicism, then explain why my Bible has 66 books and yours has 73, if not because I couldn’t care less what the pope or Martin Luther (whose Bible had less than 66 books btw) or anyone else says is and isn’t canon.
@@Santiago_Fernandez just asking for the history. A simple date would do. Your out of context quote of Psalm 119 for example preceded the writing of any book of the New Testament, therefore we know the canon wasn't finalised before the New Testament. So give a date. Not much to ask. Also perhaps can you tell me how the churches canonised the New Testament since you just follow the 2nd AD Jews in their Old Testament.
You shouldn't bring such effulgent atheists on! It makes atheism look good.
atheism is good.
And by this Some people may become Atheist n end up in endless Hell
Um, you definitely looked up "words nobody uses that might make people mistakenly think I'm smart" before posting this.
@@LandonMetochoi Hare Krishnas uses that word on a daily basis.
@@quint2857 "good" if you're trying to impose a communist dictatorship
Many words. Didn't really impact me. Oh well
Much more substantial then your average sermon.
@@2ndPigeon I'm glad you got something from it. I'm sure many did. It just didn't land with me. Maybe I'll give it a 2nd listen
nothing can exists only if nothing is something, an impossibility possible or miracle done by God, that can do the impossible possible. The truth has no master and everybody can be right or wrong. The standard under which we judge the truth of what establish what is the truth is the consequences. A bridge built with the wrong calculations would fall. The absolute truth would be known when we die and the mind is transformed into the past of God, that is present and would be future, I am the same and different person than i was yesterday and I would be tomorrow impossibility possible miracle God, to judge ourselves which perfect justice, perfect knowledge for what we have done to Ourself. All would know all. I offer a unique understanding of the miracle of Life and Death, everything that ever existed,,exists and would exist, one eternal reality. The God’s paradox is the it is impossible to exist existence without the existence of infinitude, that is impossible. The God’s paradox is solved by being the impossibility possible because is a miracle of God. Do the philosophical arguments for the existence of God carry the same weight of evidence or proof as the arguments for the existence of unicorns like atheists want others to believe? Logic and observation is a method to discover the truth used by the scientific method. Why the logical proposition “if everything needed to be created nothing would exist.” Is understood by religious people and kids and rejected by atheists as fallacious or false? Because humanity choose to ignore, reject the arguments that contradict their vision of reality. The God’s paradox has to be discussed to save infinite lives as evidence of a miracle to proof the existence of God and end the encysted debate between religious people and atheists because God exists and the religious god doesn’t.
I spent years debating “atheists” and concluded they’re just disingenuous and cherry pick to make their case.
Not to be insulting to Ben at all, but I notice akin faulty logic with him.
Yes, plenty of “atheists” would claim that about my logic. Science, logic among other disciplines annihilate “atheism.”
On the contrary, we would not say that Theists are disingenuous and cherry-pick to make their case (though this is common with apologetics. We think Theism can be held rationally and that Theists can be rational and reasonable in their belief. We would dispute the claim that Science and Logic "annihilate" either Atheism or Theism, and think that people who make claims on both sides are confused. Cameron recently posted a great quote from C.S. Lewis on pride on his community wall on the channel. We think it would do you good to read.
@@RealAtheology read it. If u wanna call me prideful I’ll wear it as one among a plethora of honor badges.
Thanks for the compliments
@@HHSMCJROTC as an agnostic after watching Theists n Atheists for years I want say Normally normal ppls from both side r Stupid n Somewhat Dishonest AF but i think sometime theists r little bit more Poor
@@RealAtheology Actually many Atheists do have the approach that theism is dishonest, disingenuous and hypocritical but that's exactly what Atheism is in a nutshell.
This has nothing and everything to do with the video but please listen if you want to otherwise leave it alone and ignore it. Hello my name is Justin and I'm a fellow Christian and Apologist but I'm also a college student. I'm not a closed minded Theist as I have nothing against Atheists or unbelievers as I speak to them often to understand their reasons for unbelief but we as Christians are convinced of God's Existence due to many real factors). I'm not trying to convert anyone or convince anyone to become Christians as that's The Holy Spirit's job to help people believe but only explain why I believe in Jesus Christ. There's actually evidence of God's Existence in Christianity. First of all there's proof that Jesus of Nazareth existed in history since the writings of Tacitus, Josephus Flavius, Pliny the younger and other historical documents prove that He was living two thousand years ago that even scholars both religious and Atheists agree with historically speaking but not that He's The Divine Son of God because obviously they don't.
I'm going to give you historical and archeological evidence for God's Existence as The Scriptures have prophecies that predate the events recorded in them by several millennia including Matthew, Hosea and Zechariah which prophesy accurately of the people of Israel becoming a nation again after over 1900 years of being scattered around the nations since the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 A.D. spoken of by Christ in Matthew 23:29-24:3 and returning to their homeland after The Holocaust with Jerusalem as their capital in 1948 exactly as Jesus The Christ said. The prophets including Daniel spoke of the time where several world empires would arise and fall including the Babylonian kingdom, Medes and Persians, Roman Empire, and Saladin and the Muslims which went in consecutive order for the past few millennia. The people of Israel becoming a nation after The Holocaust in 1948 (ironically the melting point of gold as God compares Israel to gold that's tested in fire in Zechariah 13:8 and Jeremiah 16:15) exactly how Jesus The Christ said would happen since God us everything to come in The Scriptures and not just because people were working towards as Atheists claim which are impossible for any regular man to predict.
Just before anyone says Christianity is a white man's religion made to oppress blacks during slavery you obviously aren't aware that the first Christians were Jews in The Middle East and that Christianity just like any religion can be used by evil and corrupt people to oppress others but you forget that the first Abolitionists/Civil Rights activists were Christians who sought to abolish slavery, racism, segregation, injustice and prejudice throughout American history. Jesus The Christ loves you enough not to give you what we all deserve which is God's Wrath by His Own Blood. Charles Darwin didn't originally come up with The Theory of Evolution over 200 years ago as it is mentioned in the writings of Ancient Greeks who believed in Demons that gave knowledge to philosophers.
Evolution makes no sense when nothing has evolved after thousands of years of human history and supposedly the first creature came from primordial sludge several millions of years
ago funny how they won't believe that God an Eternal Almighty Spirit Being created us from the Earth) which came from a supermassive expansion of matter at high temperature that inexplicably created everything in the known universe that supposedly came from nothing billions of years ago. How did the organs evolve before there were bones, skin, substance and how did any creatures see before eyes evolved? I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " Origin of The Species" I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " Origin of The Species" and I'm not convinced of but not macro or micro Evolution because there's no evidence of it nor clear observable examples of it where living creatures evolve into other kinds of species plus the fact that fossils don't show evidence of evolution and genetic entropy rules out evolution. The question begs how did two genders evolve from a common ancestor with a perfectly hospitable and sustainable environment with breathable oxygen and resources to survive on inexplicably? Atheists have the burden of proof to explain how everything came to be and why our existence is possible without the Existence of God from an godless perspective just as Christians have to provide evidence of God's Existence and the validity of His Word.
Evolution requires life to already exist in order to take any effect in living organisms so it doesn't account for the existence of Life and reality. Also evolution is impossible because it goes against The Law of entropy and the second Law of thermodynamics because evolution makes things better whereas nothing continues to get better but decays and turns to absolute destruction in the end. Mark Ridley an Evolutionist said "No evolutionist whether gradualist or punctuationist uses the fossil record as evidence in favor of The Theory of Darwinian Evolution as opposed to special Creation". God's Existence is made perfectly known and observable in the universe as demonstrated in His Handiwork in the intelligently designed manner that Creation was made, human consciences and consciousness historical and archaeological evidence of God's Word being valid history, fulfillment of Bible Prophecies God in His Holiness and Righteousness could give us what we deserve in Hell for our since but He's merciful to give us free will to choose to accept or reject His gift of salvation by grace through faith in His Son Jesus. I don't mean this is any condescending manner but if you'd like to discuss The Scriptures with me or have me listen to your view on anything my instagram account is Savage Christian Kombatant.
••Mark 4: 9And he (Jesus) said unto them, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.
10And when he was alone, they that were about him with the twelve asked of him the parable.
11And he said unto them, UNTO YOU it is given TO KNOW the mystery of the kingdom of God: BUT UNTO THEM that are without, all THESE THINGS ARE DONE IN PARABLES:
12That seeing THEY may SEE, and NOT PERCEIVE; and hearing THEY may HEAR, and NOT UNDERSTAND; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.
••Luke 16: 27Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:
28For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
29Abraham saith unto him, THEY HAVE MOSES AND THE PROPHETS; let them hear them.
30And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
31And he said unto him, IF THEY HEAR NOT Moses and the prophets, NEITHER will they BE PERSUADED, though one ROSE FROM THE DEAD.
••2 Corinthians 3: 12Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:
13And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
14But THEIR MINDS WERE BLINDED: for UNTIL THIS DAY REMAINETH the SAME VAIL untaken away in the reading of the old testament; WHICH VAIL IS DONE AWAY in CHRIST.
15But EVEN UNTO THIS DAY, when Moses is read, the VAIL IS UPON THEIR HEART.
••2 Corinthians 4: 1Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not;
2But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.
3But IF our gospel BE HID, it is HID TO THEM THAT ARE LOST:
4In whom the god of this world hath BLINDED THE MINDS of THEM WHICH BELIEVE NOT, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
••1 John 2: 18Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
19They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: BUT THEY WENT OUT, THAT THEY MIGHT BE MADE MANIFEST THAT THEY WERE NOT ALL OF US. (KJV)
••John 7: 45Then came the officers to the chief priests and Pharisees; and they said unto them, Why have ye not brought him?
46The officers answered, Never man spake like this man.
47Then answered them the Pharisees, Are ye also deceived?
48Have any of the rulers or of the Pharisees believed on him?
••Titus 1: 15Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
16They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate. (KJV)
Matthew 7: 21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied IN THY NAME? and IN THY NAME have cast out devils? and IN THY NAME done many wonderful works?
23And then will I profess unto them, I NEVER KNEW YOU: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. (KJV)
My problem about atheist is that they still wanna believe in a spiritual thing but you can’t believe in spirits and claim atheist you basically arguing a existing of God Hegel said God is spiritual but Christianity is a religion and that alone show contradiction if you really look into expert like Bart debate or mike or Jame white and Richard carried or Matt dillahunty or even watch Jordan Peterson you see how dumb being smart look and why it better to be wise and watch them talk they don’t sound like they know they history about the life behind Christianity and that kinda made me upset cause. I can’t get. This 30 minute back and this was a weak conversation nothing good was presented just his life story and it didn’t make sense to me why he claim atheist and keep brining up Hegel what a pointless video
Not that it matters what I want to belive in, but I don't believe in spiritual things.
@@Apanblod yes you can claim atheist but if you gonna be studying thing from certain source how this guy bringing up Hegel and his view and his view contradict a atheist cause they don’t believe in God so spiritual thing don’t exist but if you research Hegel belief he make a argument that spiritual is God Christ a religion that his belief so he stand behind a spiritual argument claim agnostic or a skeptic it better to say those word then claiming you being atheist cause they argue the Big Bang as the beginning and we come from nothing the Christian faith believe that God is the creator and that Jesus is God because of the history of his story and he claim to be God reason debate still continues and nobody have the answer because we wasn’t there to show prof of anything and either side of belief there the same problem but the Jesus story make more sense than a Big Bang theory
@@giovannymendez9587 There's nothing that prohibits atheists from believing in spiritual things. Atheism only relates to the belief in a deity, and there's nothing to say that something that could be described to belong to a spiritual realm (however unsupported I personally think it is) could only exist if there is a god. Unless you define spiritual as being necessarily tied to the existence a god for some reason.
Also, many, if not most, Christians accept big bang cosmology, so the dichotomy between Jesus or the big bang is blatantly fallacious.
@@Apanblod the first sentence sound like a contradiction but I see your prospective view on it.and yeah some Christian do believe that the Big Bang theory real but claim that God did it I don’t agreed with it but I agreed with what. You said
@AtheistLogic If you go by that definition of atheism, yes.
You can’t go from
Being called by God to a atheist. Fact is he never new Jesus Christ.
Fee will, we can know Jesus as it is taught to us and then stop....otherwise you are saying we don't have free will.
This is an interesting but sad video. No one has ever had a reason to hate Jesus Christ. As Jesus Himself said "They hated Me without reason." John 15:25
There is utterly no life apart from Jesus Christ. Without Him, there is only pain, corruption, sin, and death. "Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life. But whoever rejects the Son, will not see life for God's wrath remains on them." John 3:36
Please pray and continue to pray for Ben. Only Christ has the power to break the chains of Satan. "But no one can enter a strong man’s house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man. Then indeed he may plunder his house." Mark 3:27
If you actually believe in prayer, you wouldn't make this evangelical comment. You would instead, use prayer to get everyone to accept what you tend to establish.
@@forall1796"Pray without ceasing" 1 Thessalonians 5:17
I missed the part where Ben or Cameron claimed either of them "hated" Jesus 🤔. In fact, a lot of atheists don't think Jesus Christ was a historic figure in the first place. Saying they hate Jesus is like saying you hate Santa Claus.
Where in this video does anyone say they hate Jesus?
@@Z-one1000 Sadly, anyone who denies the Christ also detests Him. As Christ Himself said "Whoever is not with Me is against Me, and whoever does not gather with Me scatters." Matthew 12:30
How is the average person suppose to understand this? This is why I Love the Gospel because anyone can understand it ❤️
But that's not correct. Christians need to have apologists to explain stuff for them, to remove things which look disgusting on a simple reading.
I disagree, the gospel is very confusing if you read it from an intellectual point of view. Most believers just read it, believe it and don't question anything at all.
@@madelynhernandez7453 we are told to read and believe like a child
@@user-yr8mv9uq8t You really do not know what you are talking about. Reading bible is not like reading Vogue Magazine. One needs to know the history and the culture of the day to understand correctly. Again reading the Holy Bible is not an easy thing!!!!
Correction…From professing Christian to atheist… Jesus does not lose his sheep. One can say they were a believer until the cows come home, and did all the “right” things and yet not know God.
From an atheist's perspective, any "Christian" is a Christian, but if you are truly born again you can live after the flesh and still be saved and not be in fellowship with God.
WI,.....Correct, no Christian can ever lose their Christianity, it is not possible. Jesus does not lose any of his sheep as you correctly stated.
Very few believers understand that a person cannot possibly be born again until they have allowed the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ to transform them into someone who no longer sins.
Scripture makes it very clear that anyone who sins belongs to the devil and anyone who is born of God does not and cannot sin. Now even though God commanded us not to sin there are billions in this world who foolishly believe that they can never stop sinning. So realize that the vast majority of believers certainly are not Christians because most have never allowed the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ to sanctify their hearts in God’s one and only truth in order to overcome their sins. And just because someone may claim to believe in Jesus Christ does not make that person a Christian either since even sinful demons also believe in Jesus Christ.
“Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness.”
I John 3:4 NKJV
“And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’”
Matthew 7:23 NKJV
“HE WHO SINS IS OF THE DEVIL, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. WHOEVER HAS BEEN BORN OF GOD DOES NOT SIN, for His seed remains in him; AND HE CANNOT SIN, because he has been born of God.”
I John 3:8-9 NKJV
“Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect.”
Romans 12:2 ESV
Now the main reason that the majority of believers are so lost and deceived is because they have chosen to seek their knowledge of God from the many false religions and preachers of this fallen world instead of learning God’s truth directly from Jesus Himself. Many of them have clearly overlooked the fact that Jesus is alive and He commanded us to follow Him.
Through His sacrifice on the cross Jesus gave us the ability to hear God’s voice and learn God’s truth directly from Him through His Holy Spirit that will dwell inside anyone who truly understands and believes. Most believers are not able to hear the voice of Jesus Christ though and this is because they did not comprehend the importance behind testing the Spirits as commanded in 1 John 4 while others do not even understand how it is done.
“My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.”
John 10:27 NKJV
“Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send Him to you.”
John 16:7 NKJV
“If you love Me, keep My commandments. And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever- the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.”
John 14:15-18 NKJV
“Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.”
I John 4:1-3 NKJV
Scripture relates that Jesus is the same always and that He will be with us until the end of age. Jesus did not sin of course and Jesus never got sick because sin and sickness is strictly of the devil and since Jesus never changes this is why Jesus still heals even today. Scripture clearly relates that sin will bring sickness into our lives but scripture also reveals how it is possible for a believer to stop sinning. Anyone who is truly being guided by the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ is no longer living by the desires of their sinful flesh and they cannot possible sin nor can they ever get sick since they are now a child who has born with the Spirit of God. So realize that anyone who truly possesses the Holy Spirit and who is truly allowing the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ to guide them in their life cannot possibly sin since they are now being guided by the Spirit of God who is Holy and pure and who cannot sin.
“We know that whoever is born of God does not sin; but he who has been born of God keeps himself, and the wicked one does not touch him.”
I John 5:18 NKJV
“But the one who was healed did not know who it was, for Jesus had withdrawn, a multitude being in that place. Afterward Jesus found him in the temple, and said to him, “See, you have been made well. Sin no more, lest a worse thing come upon you.”
John 5:13-14 NKJV
God does not lie so Jesus would have never instructed the man that He had healed to sin no more if it were impossible for the man to stop sinning. Plus what this above scripture is clearly revealing is how it was the man’s sin that brought the devils afflictions into his life. This is why Jesus warned him that if he did not stop sinning then a worse affliction could come upon him.
“Fools, because of their transgression, And because of their iniquities, were afflicted.”
Psalms 107:17 NKJV
Know what this scripture means? First transgression, it means an act that goes against a rule, a law or a code of conduct. Next iniquity, it means a wicked act or thing, sin. Finally, affliction, it means something that causes persistent pain or suffering. So this scripture is saying that you are a fool if you do not follow God’s laws and commands and you go and sin because you will then have pain, suffering and sickness.
Now in Deuteronomy 28 God related His blessings for those who would obey Him and the curses that will occur on anyone who chooses to live in sin and disobedience. Every type of sickness is definitely listed as a curse so any sickness in your life clearly reveals that you are a sinner who lacks knowledge of scripture and you are disobeying God.
“If you do not carefully observe all the words of this law that are written in this book, that you may fear this glorious and awesome name, THE Lord YOUR GOD, then the LORD will bring upon you and your descendants extraordinary plagues-great and prolonged plagues-and serious and prolonged sicknesses. Moreover He will bring back on you all the diseases of Egypt, of which you were afraid, and they shall cling to you. Also EVERY SICKNESS and every plague, which is not written in this Book of the Law, will the LORD bring upon you until you are destroyed.”
Deuteronomy 28:58-61 NKJV
Next, God made it very clear that He would remove sickness and disease from anyone who did not sin and who would obey what He commanded in scripture. This is why the devil can no longer put his afflictions on anyone who is truly born of God since they are now someone who is being guided by God’s Holy Spirit and they can no longer sin.
“And said, “If you diligently heed the voice of the LORD your God and do what is right in His sight, give ear to His commandments and keep all His statutes, I will put none of the diseases on you which I have brought on the Egyptians. For I am the LORD who heals you.”
Exodus 15:26 NKJV
“So you shall serve the LORD your God, and He will bless your bread and your water. And I will take sickness away from the midst of you. No one shall suffer miscarriage or be barren in your land; I will fulfill the number of your days.”
Exodus 23:25-26 NKJV
“And the LORD will take away from you all sickness, and will afflict you with none of the terrible diseases of Egypt which you have known, but will lay them on all those who hate you.”
Deuteronomy 7:15 NKJV
Many do not realize that there are no scriptures that ever relate that a sinner belongs to God or that a sinner is a child of God. There are no scriptures that ever relate that a believer will always sin or that a believer can never stop sinning. There are no scriptures that ever relate that sickness would be a normal part of this life or that a Christian would possess sickness in their life.
There is only one truth from God, one and one alone and the rest is all lies that the deceived chose to believe. Sadly, more then 95% of believers are destined to perish since they continue in a life of ignorance and sin and this is mainly because they did not understand how to allow the Holy Spirit to sanctify their hearts in God’s one and only truth.
“And Isaiah cries out concerning Israel: “Though the number of the sons of Israel be as the sand of the sea, only a remnant of them will be saved.”
Romans 9:27 ESV
In closing, I can certainly testify to what I have revealed in this message because I am someone who has overcome sin and sickness in this lifetime by allowing the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ to sanctify my heart in God’s one and only truth through testing the Spirits. So if you do not possess these same blessings in your own life then you certainly are not being guided by the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ and you are definitely someone who is deceived in their beliefs.
So you never sin, really? You're perfect? You never look at a beautiful woman with lustful eyes?
@@jacoblee5796 yes child of Satan, I no longer sin and you just proved that you do possess the Holy Spirit and that the devil owns your sinful soul. Jesus was the only person who was born without sin but this certainly does not mean that a true believer can never stop sinning.
Anyone who truly possesses the Holy Spirit possesses the same power that raised Jesus from the dead and they can overcome any obstacle, especially sin. Jesus did not sin nor did Jesus ever get sick and if you are someone who is truly being guided by His Holy Spirit then it would be impossible for you to sin or to get sick as well. So your comment certainly proved that you are an unbelieving child of Satan who would not believe that overcoming sin through the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ is possible.
“Jesus said to him, “If you can believe, all things are possible to him who believes.”
Mark 9:23 NKJV
“Therefore, since Christ suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves also with the same mind, for he who has suffered in the flesh has ceased from sin, that he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh for the lusts of men, but for the will of God.”
I Peter 4:1-2 NKJV
“Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness. And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him. Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.”
I John 3:4-9 NKJV
“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’”
Matthew 7:21-23 NKJV
So scripture clearly states that whoever sins does not know God so that is certainly you. Whoever sins is of the devil and that is also certainly you! Whoever abides in God and is born of God cannot sin and does not sin so this is a child of God like me! Scripture also relates that sin is lawlessness and Jesus clearly stated that anyone who practices lawlessness shall not enter the kingdom of God.
Anyone who believes that they can never stop sinning is simply a deceived believer who does not understand a thing in regards to scripture or the blessing that Jesus provided for all of mankind. So It is quite evident and clear that you do not understand that we are all born in sin and that God commanded us to overcome our sinful life so that we would then start doing His will by living a holy and righteous life through His Holy Spirit. This is why we needed a savior to teach us how to stop sinning and this is exactly what Jesus, Peter, Paul and John are relating to us in scripture.
Many deceived believers cannot comprehend what scripture is relating and they will often twist verses like 1 John 1:8-10 to try and justify why their wicked souls still sin.
“If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.”
I John 1:8-10 NKJV
Since we are all born in sin and in ignorance of God’s word and truth John was relating how anyone who claims that they have never sinned at some time in their life is then deceived and they do not understand the truth that is being related in scripture. John was then saying that if we would repent and confess our sins to God then God is faithful to forgive us of our sins and He would then cleanse us from living a sinful and unrighteousness life. John then related that anyone who believes that they have never sinned in this life is then calling God a liar. But nowhere is John ever relating that a believer will always continue to sin or that a believer could never overcome their sins as you children of the devil often desire to believe.
The children who live in sin and who belong to the devil often like to use Paul as their justification for their sinful life. These lost souls are so deceived that they cannot comprehend what Paul was relating in scripture and so they often twist the meanings of Romans 3:10, 3:23 and 7. They fail to realize that in Romans 7 Paul was relating how hard it was for him to stop sinning in his previous life since he was living under the law. He then related how he was freed from following his sinful flesh by truly knowing Christ and living through His Spirit. These clueless souls are clearly overlooking how Paul related that he had died to sin and that he was no longer a slave to sin in Romans 6 and they also overlook how Paul related that if you continue to live by your sinful flesh instead of living through the Spirit then you will certainly die in Romans 8.
“For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.”
Romans 8:5-8 NKJV
“So then, dear friends, since you are looking forward to this, make every effort to be found spotless, blameless and at peace with him. Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.”
2 Peter 3:14-16 NIV
Now in regards to Romans 3:10 Paul is simply relating that none of us are righteous since we are all born in sin and this is why we needed a savior to teach us how to stop sinning. Romans 3:23 is actually stating the same exact thing since it is relating how we are all born in sin and so we all are falling short of the glory of God. Sometimes these children of the devil will even use Romans 6:23 to justify why they sin and they clearly have no idea that this scripture is relating that if you sin then you will eternally die, hence “the wages of sin is death.” Some will even try to use 1 John 2:1-2 to try and justify why they still sin.
“My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.”
I John 2:1-2 NKJV
In the above scripture John is simply relating that because we all will sin that Jesus is the atonement for our sins and He certainly is not relating that we can never stop sinning.
Nowhere are any of these scriptures ever relating that a believer can never stop sinning or that they will always continue to sin though. Anyone who continues to sin certainly does not understand what Jesus related in Matthew 5 and 18 since Jesus clearly stated that we needed to remove whatever part of our flesh that was causing us to sin. Jesus made it very clear that it was better for us to live a life in this world with a maimed body that did not sin then it would be to possess a complete body that still sinned since the person who sinned would then be cast into the hell fire.
“If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell. And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell.”
Matthew 5:29-30 NKJV
“If your hand or foot causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you. It is better for you to enter into life lame or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet, to be cast into the everlasting fire. And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you. It is better for you to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire.”
Matthew 18:8-9 NKJV
This is the difference between a believer who is a Christian and a believer who is deceived. A deceived believer thinks that they will always sin and they will always have sickness in their life. A true Christian knows they can never sin nor can they ever get sick since they are living their life exactly “like Christ” through His Holy Spirit.
So it is quite evident and quite clear that you are just a deceived believer who fell for the devil’s lies and that is why you reason the way that you do. Your very own words have proven that you do not possess the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ and you are just an unbelieving child of Satan. That is why you still possess sin and sickness in your wicked life since your blinded eyes could not comprehend what scripture is relating and so you remained a sinner whose soul belongs to the devil and you certainly do not belong to God.
@Sleepy Poet And you just proved that you do possess the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ and that the devil owns your ignorant and sinful soul. Yes, Jesus was the only person who was born without sin but this certainly does not mean that a true believer can never stop sinning.
Anyone who truly possesses the Holy Spirit possesses the same power that raised Jesus from the dead and they can overcome any obstacle, especially sin. Jesus did not sin nor did Jesus ever get sick and if you are someone who is truly being guided by His Holy Spirit then it would be impossible for you to sin or to get sick as well. So your comment certainly proved that you are an unbelieving child of Satan who would not believe that overcoming sin through the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ is possible.
“Jesus said to him, “If you can believe, all things are possible to him who believes.”
Mark 9:23 NKJV
“Therefore, since Christ suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves also with the same mind, for he who has suffered in the flesh has ceased from sin, that he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh for the lusts of men, but for the will of God.”
I Peter 4:1-2 NKJV
“Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness. And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him. Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.”
I John 3:4-9 NKJV
“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’”
Matthew 7:21-23 NKJV
So scripture clearly states that whoever sins does not know God so that is certainly you. Whoever sins is of the devil and that is also certainly you! Whoever abides in God and is born of God cannot sin and does not sin so this is a child of God like me! Scripture also related that sin is lawlessness and Jesus clearly stated that anyone who practices lawlessness shall not enter the kingdom of God.
Anyone who believes that they can never stop sinning is simply a deceived believer who does not understand a thing in regards to scripture or the blessing that Jesus provided for all of mankind. So It is quite evident and clear that you do not understand that we are all born in sin and that God commanded us to overcome our sinful life so that we would then start doing His will by living a holy and righteous life through His Holy Spirit. This is why we needed a savior to teach us how to stop sinning and this is exactly what Jesus, Peter, Paul and John are relating to us in scripture.
Many deceived believers cannot comprehend what scripture is relating and they will often twist verses like 1 John 1:8-10 to try and justify why their wicked souls still sin.
“If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.”
I John 1:8-10 NKJV
Since we are all born in sin and in ignorance of God’s word and truth John was relating how anyone who claims that they have never sinned at some time in their life is then deceived and they do not understand the truth that is being related in scripture. John was then saying that if we would repent and confess our sins to God then God is faithful to forgive us of our sins and He would then cleanse us from living a sinful and unrighteousness life. John then related that anyone who believes that they have never sinned in this life is then calling God a liar. But nowhere is John ever relating that a believer will always continue to sin or that a believer could never overcome their sins as you children of the devil often desire to believe.
The children who live in sin and who belong to the devil often like to use Paul as their justification for their sinful life. These lost souls are so deceived that they cannot comprehend what Paul was relating in scripture and so they often twist the meanings of Romans 3:10, 3:23 and 7. They fail to realize that in Romans 7 Paul was relating how hard it was for him to stop sinning in his previous life since he was living under the law. He then related how he was freed from following his sinful flesh by truly knowing Christ and living through His Spirit. These clueless souls are clearly overlooking how Paul related that he had died to sin and that he was no longer a slave to sin in Romans 6 and they also overlook how Paul related that if you continue to live by your sinful flesh instead of living through the Spirit then you will certainly die in Romans 8.
“For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.”
Romans 8:5-8 NKJV
“So then, dear friends, since you are looking forward to this, make every effort to be found spotless, blameless and at peace with him. Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.”
2 Peter 3:14-16 NIV
Now in regards to Romans 3:10 Paul is simply relating that none of us are righteous since we are all born in sin and this is why we needed a savior to teach us how to stop sinning. Romans 3:23 is actually stating the same exact thing since it is relating how we are all born in sin and so we all are falling short of the glory of God. Sometimes these children of the devil will even use Romans 6:23 to justify why they sin and they clearly have no idea that this scripture is relating that if you sin then you will eternally die, hence “the wages of sin is death.” Some will even try to use 1 John 2:1-2 to try and justify why they still sin.
“My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.”
I John 2:1-2 NKJV
In the above scripture John is simply relating that because we all will sin that Jesus is the atonement for our sins and He certainly is not relating that we can never stop sinning.
Nowhere are any of these scriptures ever relating that a believer can never stop sinning or that they will always continue to sin though. Anyone who continues to sin certainly does not understand what Jesus related in Matthew 5 and 18 since Jesus clearly stated that we needed to remove whatever part of our flesh that was causing us to sin. Jesus made it very clear that it was better for us to live a life in this world with a maimed body that did not sin then it would be to possess a complete body that still sinned since the person who sinned would then be cast into the hell fire.
“If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell. And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell.”
Matthew 5:29-30 NKJV
“If your hand or foot causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you. It is better for you to enter into life lame or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet, to be cast into the everlasting fire. And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you. It is better for you to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire.”
Matthew 18:8-9 NKJV
This is the difference between a believer who is a Christian and a believer who is deceived. A deceived believer thinks that they will always sin and they will always have sickness in their life. A true Christian knows they can never sin nor can they ever get sick since they are living their life exactly “like Christ” through His Holy Spirit.
So it is quite evident and quite clear that you are just a deceived believer who fell for the devil’s lies and that is why you reason the way that you do. Your very own words have proven that you do not possess the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ and you are just an unbelieving child of Satan. That is why you still possess sin and sickness in your wicked life since your blinded eyes could not comprehend what scripture is relating and so you remained a sinner whose soul belongs to the devil and you certainly do not belong to God.
MR,...Everything you have stated is 100% incorrect and you have shown yourself to be completely outside of the kingdom of God. It is you who is not guided by Jesus or Biblical truth. You are steeped in deception. You are a heretic and have blasphemed God and will pay the price required for doing that on the last day. Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand!
Nice and respectful guy, hope he truly comes to Christ one day. He has never known Christ, he has known religion. Atheism is the most faith requesting religion on this planet. We as humans think much of the thoughts of our brain and think we can make up good reasons to explain that God does not exist. But it always comes down to: ‘Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.’
I Corinthians 1:25
EB,.....You are correct that this guy was never a Christian and that the religion of atheism requires much more faith that believing the truth of the Bible does. However, the earth is not a planet, that is an atheist belief. The earth God created is stationary and flat just as the entire Bible has always told us. Only atheists believe in their graven image of their 100% fake manmade spinning ball.
There's no such thing as an ex-Christian. Read 1 John 2:19.
SD,....Absolutely correct. Every single person that considers themselves as an Ex Christian was never a Christian in the first place.
I believe that verse in context is referring to anti-christs and false teachers, not apostates. There were heretics in those days teaching that Jesus was not the Christ, not that they had once believed He was and then didn't.
@@frerfresh8373 ,....Nevertheless, as SD stated, there is no such thing as an ex-christian. There are only those who were never Christians to begin with. And the fact is, the entire church is filled with those who are not Christians. The few Christians that exist are outside of the church not in it.
not really interested in this stuff...
Erika, are you 100% sure that if you died today you would go to heaven?
Do you know Jesus Christ?
I am convinced that most people who call themselves "Christian" know religion instead of Jesus Christ. Or they have created their own God in their head. That is why we must make sure that we know the God of the bible and know that we are truly saved.
Lay religion, Christian culture, and even politics aside. Someone who truly loves you is reaching out to you not willing that you should perish (2 Peter3), but that you be saved from the price of your sins.
With that said, how do you deal with your sin? Yes you. How many times have you lied, lusted, or stolen? I'm guilty, what about you? I hope you feel convicted.
But if you're going to reject the free gift of salvation, you ought to think about where you are going after death.
Is this your mindset?
Luke 12:19
“And I will say to my soul, Soul, thou hast much goods laid up for many years; take thine ease, eat, drink, and be merry.”
Please please do not be this person that Jesus described here. I don't care how if you are in a ministry or even behind a pulpit. And their is no shame in getting saved.
Matthew 7
21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
You see there will be professing Christians that were not actually saved.
I want to help you.
Matthew 18:3
"And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven."
Because of God's holiness we cannot be in his presence as we are in our sin. No matter how righteous one may appear everyone has sinned and one sin can lead to hell, but there is a way out. We don't deserve it but God made a way that we may become the righteousness of God (Romans 5). I want you to have 100% assurance of salvation.
Romans 3:23 - For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
John 3:16 - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 14
6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
Romans 6
23For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
1 John 1:9 - If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1Corinthians 15:
1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Romans 10
9That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
12For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. 13For WHOSOEVER shall CALL upon the name of the Lord shall be SAVED.
Here is the gospel straight and simple:
1. Truly acknowledge that you have sinned against a perfect God and you are worthy of hell that can only be saved by the blood of Jesus Christ
2. Believe that Jesus died for and covered all of your sins and rose again.
3. Say to God that Jesus Christ he is your saviour.
Please let me know. I am praying for you, today is the day of salvation.
2 Corinthians 5:17
“Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new."
Being an atheist is being intellectually lazy. God IS and can be experienced by anyone first hand. Takes work though…. Not for lazy people.
More like christianity to cartoons myths and inaccuracies. Enjoy your delision
Awww, angwy wittle cwistian
@@TheRealCatof awww who thinks outerspace is real with her little cwartoons. :) 🙃
So gross. Who can listen to this. For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not come to know God. Speak to this man's heart, not his mind. For it is from the heart a man believes.
The heart pumps blood.
@@Apanblod You know nothing. May God help you in your understanding
@@BrandonGray fool
@@BrandonGray I wouldn't say I know nothing, I do know some things, the basic function of the heart being among them.
@@senkuishigami2485 you are worthy of fiery hell if you call another man a fool
He obviously was never a true Christian.
from belief in a living God to nihilism - nothingness - congratulations watkins - boring
It's like you're saying a more interesting false belief is better than a boring true one. People who are interested in real truth take ZERO stock in what's boring/interesting. You should seriously do some introspection on what caused you to write such a comment.
@@TheMarkSasuke64 truth??? No matter how much evidence is provided to you - it would never suffice.
And all that is often heard from atheists and nihilists is mockery and sarcasm.
So you can perhaps see where my comment derives from. It is boring to hear dull boring people who believe in nothing espousing zero beliefs upon those who do.
@@happyexmussie7085 Well here is your chance, god ahead and lay down your best evidence right here. I'm an atheist and I'm very interested in what's true.
@@jacoblee5796 well ok then. Start by reading William Lane Craig - then perhaps we can start a conversation. Otherwise it’s like trying to explain the Mona Lisa to a toddler!
@@happyexmussie7085 I’m very familiar with WLC. But why are you appealing to authority. Why don’t you just tell me about all this evidence.
I’ll be honest I didn’t really expect much….but WLC!? BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! That is hilarious! Next you going to tell me to go read some Frank Turek?
too smug...
Who, Ben or Cam? 🤔
Although "former believers turned atheists" always claim that they were sincere believers, since the scriptures are clear that once you are a sincere believer having trusted Christ for your eternal salvation, your salvation is eternal and begins the moment you become a believer (1 JOHN 5:13), the only logical conclusion is that they were deceived in their thinking that they were believers (OR they are using their claim deceptively to tear down the faith of true believers).
My atheist bible says that Christians are all secretly worshipping Santa as their one and only god. It must be true since someone wrote it in my inerrant book. Checkmate, I dare you to have a rebuttal.
Or the Bible is wrong lol. Just kinda glanced over that possibility.
@@mobileore Well God is real. Leave the Christians alone. We are clean honored and happy. Don't infect us. God is real and that's how reality is. Now what? 🤔 let's go to a mountain i guess. And watch nature just suggesting.
Exactly they were never believers or saved in the first place because they didn't understand why they should believe what they claimed to believe. This has nothing and everything to do with the video but please listen if you want to otherwise leave it alone and ignore it. Hello my name is Justin and I'm a fellow Christian and Apologist but I'm also a college student. I'm not a closed minded Theist as I have nothing against Atheists or unbelievers as I speak to them often to understand their reasons for unbelief but we as Christians are convinced of God's Existence due to many real factors). I'm not trying to convert anyone or convince anyone to become Christians as that's The Holy Spirit's job to help people believe but only explain why I believe in Jesus Christ. There's actually evidence of God's Existence in Christianity. First of all there's proof that Jesus of Nazareth existed in history since the writings of Tacitus, Josephus Flavius, Pliny the younger and other historical documents prove that He was living two thousand years ago that even scholars both religious and Atheists agree with historically speaking but not that He's The Divine Son of God because obviously they don't.
I'm going to give you historical and archeological evidence for God's Existence as The Scriptures have prophecies that predate the events recorded in them by several millennia including Matthew, Hosea and Zechariah which prophesy accurately of the people of Israel becoming a nation again after over 1900 years of being scattered around the nations since the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 A.D. spoken of by Christ in Matthew 23:29-24:3 and returning to their homeland after The Holocaust with Jerusalem as their capital in 1948 exactly as Jesus The Christ said. The prophets including Daniel spoke of the time where several world empires would arise and fall including the Babylonian kingdom, Medes and Persians, Roman Empire, and Saladin and the Muslims which went in consecutive order for the past few millennia. The people of Israel becoming a nation after The Holocaust in 1948 (ironically the melting point of gold as God compares Israel to gold that's tested in fire in Zechariah 13:8 and Jeremiah 16:15) exactly how Jesus The Christ said would happen since God us everything to come in The Scriptures and not just because people were working towards as Atheists claim which are impossible for any regular man to predict.
Just before anyone says Christianity is a white man's religion made to oppress blacks during slavery you obviously aren't aware that the first Christians were Jews in The Middle East and that Christianity just like any religion can be used by evil and corrupt people to oppress others but you forget that the first Abolitionists/Civil Rights activists were Christians who sought to abolish slavery, racism, segregation, injustice and prejudice throughout American history. Jesus The Christ loves you enough not to give you what we all deserve which is God's Wrath by His Own Blood. Charles Darwin didn't originally come up with The Theory of Evolution over 200 years ago as it is mentioned in the writings of Ancient Greeks who believed in Demons that gave knowledge to philosophers.
Evolution makes no sense when nothing has evolved after thousands of years of human history and supposedly the first creature came from primordial sludge several millions of years
ago funny how they won't believe that God an Eternal Almighty Spirit Being created us from the Earth) which came from a supermassive expansion of matter at high temperature that inexplicably created everything in the known universe that supposedly came from nothing billions of years ago. How did the organs evolve before there were bones, skin, substance and how did any creatures see before eyes evolved? I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " Origin of The Species" I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " Origin of The Species" and I'm not convinced of but not macro or micro Evolution because there's no evidence of it nor clear observable examples of it where living creatures evolve into other kinds of species plus the fact that fossils don't show evidence of evolution and genetic entropy rules out evolution. The question begs how did two genders evolve from a common ancestor with a perfectly hospitable and sustainable environment with breathable oxygen and resources to survive on inexplicably? Atheists have the burden of proof to explain how everything came to be and why our existence is possible without the Existence of God from an godless perspective just as Christians have to provide evidence of God's Existence and the validity of His Word.
Evolution requires life to already exist in order to take any effect in living organisms so it doesn't account for the existence of Life and reality. Also evolution is impossible because it goes against The Law of entropy and the second Law of thermodynamics because evolution makes things better whereas nothing continues to get better but decays and turns to absolute destruction in the end. Mark Ridley an Evolutionist said "No evolutionist whether gradualist or punctuationist uses the fossil record as evidence in favor of The Theory of Darwinian Evolution as opposed to special Creation". God's Existence is made perfectly known and observable in the universe as demonstrated in His Handiwork in the intelligently designed manner that Creation was made, human consciences and consciousness historical and archaeological evidence of God's Word being valid history, fulfillment of Bible Prophecies God in His Holiness and Righteousness could give us what we deserve in Hell for our since but He's merciful to give us free will to choose to accept or reject His gift of salvation by grace through faith in His Son Jesus. I don't mean this is any condescending manner but if you'd like to discuss The Scriptures with me or have me listen to your view on anything my instagram account is Savage Christian Kombatant.
That is not the only logical conclusion. Either:
1. He never believed
2. Scripture is false (not likely)
3. He is in a very dark part of his journey and will eventually return to faith
4. Your interpretation of scripture is incorrect.
After reading the verse you provided, it’s almost certainly 4. I hope for Ben’s sake that it is also 3