Love that South Park never has Timmy or Jimmy's disabilities be the punchline of a joke, but they're often used as a mirror of how society treats people like them.
Definitely agree with this, except with a slight reframing. Sometimes their disability is part of a punchline, but it's never punching down at Jimmy or Timmy themselves. There are a few times that Jimmy's stutter is a punchline, for example, but we're not laughing AT Jimmy, we're laughing at the scenario or the outcome of his stutter, like when he tells Wendy "Stan says you're a cunt- a cunt- you're a cunt- a... a continual source of inspiration to him." Like in Stan's little speech at the end of this episode, I think the great thing about how South Park has used Timmy and Jimmy is that they don't shy away from ever making jokes around their disabilities, but it's never to belittle the character themselves. It strikes me as very similar to how Avatar The Last Airbender is able to successfully make blindness jokes about Toph, but it never comes across as cruel or as making Toph less of an independent human being. It's just a part of her, like Jimmy's stutter and use of crutches.
And Jimmy's name too. As phonetically similar as it is we barely hear him derriviate his speech, so I think that's quite notable beyond the similarities.
I feel like in future South Park episodes they show more of how Timmy might not have an intellectual disability at all. He tends to show quite a bit of intelligence and insight, but his physical disabilities often prevent him from communicating.
Yeah, also Timmy's superhero character Doctor Timothy (not talking about Iron Maiden) is very smart, and in order for him to play as that character he'd have to actually be smart.
So glad I'm not the only one doing this. I always dream I'm back in GCSE Biology with the one teacher I tucked my shirt and did my tie for - the one I was shit-scared of 😂
Idk if it counts but I'm always waking up in the middle of the night in a panic because I haven't gone to maths class in a while and it takes me a minute to remember I'm in my 30s
To be fair, we don’t really “know” that Timmy is intellectually disabled. In the MCU parody episodes/games, he’s portrayed as able to telepathically communicate eloquently, and he actually does have quite a bit of awareness of the situations he finds himself in. His speech issues probably have more to do with his physical disability.
I remember when I first started a stimulant for my ADHD, I remember I was able to get so many things done, I cried so hard because I finally felt normal for the first time in my life.
This was Timmy's first episode and apparently the nework really had a problem with his character and didn't want a handicapped child to be shown. Turns out people loved Timmy. And so do I! Also, even though I got ADD the "sit down and study" scene cracks me up so hard.
The big note was he was loved by the deveolpmentally disabled community since he gave them representation. In the commentary Trey Parker mentions how Comedy Central flipped 180 on Timmy once they realized no one was offended for the most part and they could use Timmy to sell merch.
The shows creators talked about in a commentary that comedy central gave a lot of push back on Timmy being in the show and sent a list of what they can and cant do with him. They said the way CC treated Timmy was worse than any joke they could make
Phil Collins was actually still pretty relevant when this came out, having just done the soundtrack for Disney's Tarzan. Incidentally, he won the Academy Award for best original song for one of those songs over South Park's 'Blame Canada,' so Season 4 of South Park has a bunch of Phil Collins jabs.
Here’s a summary of the Great Gatsby for you: Gatsby: “Daisy, I made all this money for you because I love you.” Daisy: “I cannot reciprocate, because I represent the American dream.” Gatsby: “Now I must die, because I also represent the American dream.” (Gatsby dies) Nick: “I hate New Yorkers.”
I was born with Cerebral Palsy. I am currently in my 30s. When I was Timmy's age, my teachers tried making a case that I was retarded primarily because I was slow with my writing due to my limited motor skills. I was able to prove enough competency with my school's psychologist and they let me stay with my class. When I was a senior in high school, the education board came to my school and made a similar case that because of my lacking performance in a couple subjects, I could not attend University. I took the SAT and applied and got into my college of choice. I went on to obtain my 4-year degree in broadcasting. Over time, it branched out to an IT career. I started as a database writer/administrator and I currently work in cyber security. I still struggle with Cerebral Palsy, but my circumstances are far better. I did not watch South Park too often but this was always one of my favorite episodes.
I'm going to pull back the curtain: It's because public schools get extra funding for children with disabilities. This money, often times, goes into the pockets of the faculties.
As someone with adhd who has been burnt out since I was in primary school, hearing that doing homework until 2am is a scenario where the harm obviously outweighs the benefit is so validating
Well, only if you actually start the homework at a normal time. If you start at midnight and finish at 2am then it's not the teacher's fault for assigning too much homework.
Dyspraxia, echolalia, limp body… seems more like cerebral palsy Edit: Also that’s CRAZY focus to stay awake for all of the Great Gatsby! Timmy has amazing focus!!
19:01 this really does make me think about when I feel discomfort when I see someone with a disability because I don’t know how to communicate effectively. This is exactly what the message of this episode was about. People didn’t want to protect Timmy, they just didn’t want to deal with their own discomfort.
I am also in my 30's and have a degree and a career but still have nightmares that I forgot to go to math class for a whole semester and will not get my high school diploma.
Was on Ritalin and then Concerta for a number of years in adolescence. Went med-free for many years, back on it a couple of years ago (am 37 now). It's a game and life changer for me! I can be a long-term study LOL
As a woman who wasn’t diagnosed with adhd or autism until my late 30s because I was also very smart and able to mask in childhood, I appreciate your commentary about how both things are very underdiagnosed in women. My life changed when I started taking Adderall-the trajectory of my life would have been a lot different if I had been medicated as a teen instead of in my late 30s.
I was one of those inattentive that got missed. Just got told I was smart, but lazy and unwilling to put in the effort. Didn't get diagnosed until a couple years ago at 35. Adderall XR is a life changer for me. Of course thanks to it's stock issues and doctor's unwillingness to write the prescription even with a diagnosis, I'm usually stuck being unmedicated.
The treatment of Timmy's band in this episode really hit close to home. There's a sports team here that has a fella with an intellectual disability working with them (idk which disability it is), and he's sort of become their second mascot/hype man. He leads people in the national anthem and little songs cheering on the team, greets people at the entrance before games start, etc. Most people genuinely think he's really cool. Even people who aren't that into sports know him as a beloved local icon, but there's a minority that feels like he's being exploited and that everyone is just pretending to like him as some kind of bit.
As an older viewer, 58, when I was in school I constantly got the phrases like ' lazy, unmotivated, stupid..etc.... After graduation I finally got my diagnosis. I'm a dyslexic with ADHD ( along with a couple other things) It made things so much clearer and better. Learning how I need to learn made a huge difference. Finding out it can be inherited, I made sure to pay attention when my own children started school. I went head to head with my daughters school to get her tested, she's dyslexic as well, but in a very different manner than I am.
The Great Gatsby is from the perspective of a white man meeting another new money white man pining for an old money white girl he met when he was a poor soldier. It does not go well for Gatsby.
Hands up! People pleaser who was inattentive at school. Really wanted to do well but was "troubled" at school. No wonder myself and my ADHD brother did most of our sibling bonding in detention. We became very good at covering for each other, so we got in less trouble overall. We were both diagnosed with ADHD in adulthood.
me too, and i got gas lighted so much and the adults when i was a kid always tried to get me upset and then boom, i was the problem, and well i had to actualy fight some adults back, pyscially, as i was assaulted by them, and sadly, i am the way that i am now, but i know i can make changes, and that i am not what they think that i am, ,
I actually did very well in school until I got to uni. Top of the school and everything. I knew that I couldn't study, and I tried to get help for it from some of my highschool teachers, and they looked at me like I was mad. I finally got diagnosed with ADHD, and found the right medication, it worked great. So I went back to uni across the country, but had to get a new psychiatrist, and the moment I sat down he said "you don't have ADHD I would've known from the moment you walked in the door" and now I'm back to failing my dream degree and there's very little I can do about it.
I lived the first 29 years of my life with undiagnosed ADHD and Bipolar. Now that i am being treated for both, i can't begin to explain the night and day difference. To be honest, I'm lucky to still be alive with how depressed I've been throughout my adult life. Now, I finally feel like I can accomplish things that others can. Now, at aged 30, I'm finally able to function at full capacity.
I think the issue with reasonable adjustments is that some people don't know what "reasonable" means. Why are some disabled people refused even the most basic rights non disabled people have? Why are disabled people often talked over and discussions are with the person next to them? Why are consent laws and mental capacity act laws not applicable to some disabled people? Are discussions about what someone wants to do to your body with complete strangers on the ward (without your consent) ever okay? Do I need to hear about other patients medical issues (i would never ask) and judgement about them from medical staff? How many times does someone have to say no? Is staff signing you consented without your or witnesses knowledge or your consent okay as long you are disabled? Is ignoring you until you become inoperable or an emergency ever okay? There are far more and worse things too. Before implementing reasonable adjustments it would be good to start with legal and human rights. Then maybe dignity and common decency. What is left should then be called reasonable adjustments. Every time I see a zero tolerance poster I am acutely aware staff are more likely to abuse me (from repeated experiences). I am a pacifist but I am treated like a dangerous animal sometimes. I'm autistic but I know these things happen to people with other disabilities.
3:25 Me, 100% Written off as being a bad student cause I was a fast learner and stopped paying attention and never wanted to do homework after I learned something. Took until High school when I had good Teachers who noticed I was acing every test and not cheating for my GPA to improve... Went from 2.5 all middle school to a 3.5 in 8th grade through junior year and a 4.0 Senior year... cause I picked all electives. Dont think I did homework once through all Highschool, half the teachers had it extra credit, the other half only 10-20% of the grade... so I took the B or B-
I dont believe timmy has an intellectual disability. I believe its completely physical. He is pretty well adjusted for someone in his condition. In the special olympics eposode really shows this
90's or the early 00's? Because several of my friends ended up getting almost twice the dose my nephew is getting today and it really did zombie them up.
@@Amarth13 Sounds like you got a bigger dose than was needed. Was very common in the 90s. Most kids who got prescribed it needed like 1/3 of the dosage.
In the US many of us have to read The Great Gastby in high school and it’s sooooooo boring this was over 20 years for me and I still just remember it was a snooze fest but I probably have ADHD so 🤷♀️
3:24 My dad had undiagnosed dyslexia. He wanted to be an engineer but was told by his high school counselor that he was too dumb to be an engineer and he should be a locksmith instead. My dad designed a keypad lock for his parents house which had been broken into a few times, then said he'd been a locksmith and was going to be an engineer. He ended up doing very well in his career as an engineer and had multiple patents to his name.
Wait a minute, I just noticed Tweek’s parents put him on Ritalin (and stole it themselves) too, but in his first episode “Gnomes” they revealed he was already diagnosed with ADD and they were just treating it with coffee (later revealed to be laced with meth)…
Put it down would be a great episode to review. Tweek is dealing with lots of anxiety and Craig has to learn how to be there for him rather than trying to solve everything.
if we go by that test i have major ADHD lol haha , because my whole life if i dont like something, i just wont care or listen or just day dream, however if i do like something i am really invested in it.
2:39 this actually goes really far back, I've found a census from a workhouse that used to be near me in the 1800s, and you see under the diagnosis it's just labeled "idiot"
This episode came on plutotv the same day that I had my own adhd testing done. They didnt read me any books, but this made me laugh because that's what it felt like! Sitting in a room with no windows, answering question after question, filling out dots on a scantron, playing the worst computer game ever, and no coffee that morning to top it off. I was seriously struggling just to keep my eyes open!
1:44 I feel you, I've had that exact dream theme several times. I also have another recurring nightmare around shool that goes like this (with variations): I have to retake my final secondary shool examinations, because either I'm a vraud and never graduated highshool, or "lost" them, or my mum forces me to retake them to get better grades. Most of the time I'm my actual age and have to blend in (or even hide the truth and pretend to be a 19yo) in the last year of terminal class where everyone has known each other for ages. I'm the new weird alien and everyone (teachers included) hates me. Sometimes I'm still working at the same time, jungling a half-time job with shool presence and homework and test. It's allways deeply dissettling. For context, I passed my exams back then at first try, but was already dealing with serious mental health issues myself as well as having to look after my also mentally ill mother. A big portion of the exam time she was actually in hospital, and beside the preparation for the exams, I had to run the household being alone at that time (sister at uni) and visit her in hospital via bus to bring her stuff and freshly washed (by me too) clothes. It was soo much I actually could not study for some exams at all. I was pretty convinced that I would fail (wich made me somewhat calmer, but at the same time gave me these nightmarish thoughts of how unbearable it must be to re-do the final grade in a whole new class, saty in shool another endless year... (I'm digressing again, but it's complex) Also context, I studied biology and passed all the basic biology courses, making it though all the modules (but chemistry), but had to give up my studies to to my deterorating health (and financial) situation. So I did not do the re-examination test, but learne all the programm. As this is hard on me, I guess my brain mixes these academic milestones up.
I have been diagnosed with autism a few times (once as a kid but my parents never told me, then again as an adult by 2.5 different medical professionals (a bmed doctor who highly suspected it but then my therapist and my psychiatrist came to the same conclusion the exact same week). While not diagnosed with ADHD officially I suspect I have ADHD as well, while in Bmed again recently they started me on Modafinil because in addition to why I was there again I was also having issues where I would go from wide awake to feeling unsafe to drive levels of fatigue in an instant while driving, when I started on that I noticed not just the fatigue being much better but also it was kind of like when I had accidentally put on the right prescription glasses for the first time of that feeling of not knowing just how bad my sight was to "oh this is how things are suppose to look?", but with my ability to focus on things... sure it doesn't help with focusing on the right things but it still is a great improvement over my focus being either on 50,000 things all at once or hyper focused on a single thing to the point where it is detrimental and unproductive. It isn't some magic fix all, but it is a great tool where between the medication and between the therapy I am learning how to have more normal levels of focus on things (that isn't what the therapy is focused on, it is focused on my DV situation and the autism, but in learning certain skills it helps me learn how to not hyperfocus on what is overstimulating me). So in my experience meds are not some magic fix all but are an extremely useful tool in addition to other things, in a way it is like the medication is say the hammer while the therapy is learning and gaining the strength to lift and drop that hammer in order to make it function, where the hammer is a needed tool but is useless without knowing how to use the hammer and the strength to use it. And sure you can hammer in that nail without a hammer and use purely the motion from the therapy but the hammer just makes it a lot quicker and less harmful in the process. I am all for a mixture of medicines with therapy and other tools to allow the medication to be a tool, because at the end of the day a tool can only do so much if you don't have the knowledge or strength to use it.
I have a friend who was diagnosed with autism.. after he went to be a ot more unresonable.. u cant have a argument with him ..(better avoid).I felt like the diagnose had given him a free pass to just act like a asshole.. like he is a autist now.. before he would atleast think twice about acting up about somthing.. on that level i dont like people being diagnosed so easy.. and them being like this is how I am deal with it, in result he now has much less friends then before.. people dont like hanging around him so they stay away. Taking medicine can also have very different effects on different people.. if somthing works for u thats great.. but never forget to also compare to ur normal state.. being on meds all the time can alter ur normal state..or just stop working after a while.
@@larsvegas1505 Where as I would argue that autism goes way too undiagnosed. As to your (ex?)friend acting in a way you no longer like you have no clue how hard of a struggle it is to mask 24/7, maybe their change in attitude was to greatly improve their health by no longer forcing themself to mask, you have no clue what was going on behind closed doors when they got back to private areas when they would be able to stop masking and have a breakdown or meltdown or shutdown. You have no clue if they "got worse" or if it actually improved but you just were not seeing the meltdowns because they were able to hide in public but then meltdown when they were with people they felt safe with. As to comparing to my "normal state" as you like to say if I tried to live in my authentic "normal state" I would probably not be alive today, I masked for 35 years and it dang near killed me pretending to be someone I am not just in order to be able to hold a job by pretending to be "normal", you highly underestimate just how much of a struggle it can be. But while you are not wrong that some people build up drug tolerances that hardly relates to anything mentioned specially seeing as autism doesn't really get treated with medication, and the difference ADHD medication is the difference being able to function and hold a job and being unable to function and unable to afford food let alone housing, and between the choice of being on medications integrated with therapy or being unable to survive, yeah the answer is clear which one is better, also drug tolerance is more common in the old school ADHD meds like Ritalin and Adderall and is far less common in the newer medications because they function in a different way.
@@hockeyhacker97 In my age ritalin was the normal drug kids would get.. In my opinion way to many boys that were a bit to rowdy in school.. I do still think that most people are pretending to be normal just to keep a job though its not just u having a hard time.. Most people struggle in life.. I mostly use coffee to get me trough the day.. used to smoke but it was too unhealthy so i quit. On the other story i do think its sad that my friend now lost so many social contacts after a doctor told him he was a autist.. people wouldnve cared if he acted a bit more socially.. but i guess thats just who he is now. I do visit from time to time but it takes a lot of energy out of me. Because i have to really think before i say something.. i dont want to upset him every time.
10:03 When I was much younger (we're talking between 8 and 14) they woefully misdiagnosed with everything from ADD to just saying NI when they couldn't figure it out, especially since my mother refused to admit to or acknowledge the role of TRAUMA that I had been very silently being made to go through and had no outlet or help once so ever. Sexual and physical abuse, constant humiliation and isolation at home and then being told to just fix yourself and act normal, this was followed by a very heavy family tragedy and even more psychological needs buried entirely for the entirety of my teenage years into adulthood. As you can imagine, none of that had a very positive effect on my personality, attitude towards people or my psyche. Also Ritalin makes my hair fall out, so so turns out I have a physical allergy to it to boot. Now I'm Bipolar 1 Hypomania with chronic anxiety and depression episodes related directly to PTSD-triggered causes. Big shocker there. The roles of the parent in mental health still gets massively downplayed, and even just lied about to protect the feelings of the parents, especially the ones from *that* generation.
hell, intellectual disability is far more insulting than saying retardation; because saying someone is intellectual disabled, if you really break that word down you are saying that the person is not able to be intellectual, or have intellect. you are saying they are stupid. while retardation simply means slow, or delayed, it does not mean the person is stupid or not able to be intelligent.
7:37 I’m glad you’ve shed light in this topic. I see so many activists online that push for really impractical adjustments that eliminate any personal responsibility. As someone on the spectrum myself, I don’t want that. I don’t believe in self diagnosis or the idea that “ABA is genocidal” (I really don’t know much about ABA but it certainly doesn’t seem “genocidal”) I agree Autism Speaks is not a great organization but damn there is so much wacky unrealistic expectations on how society should adjust to autism.
ABA is considered bad because it often involved strapping someone into a chair, depriving them of food and water, and beating them senseless if they don't behave. That's why people don't like it happening to children. The most vocal critics are survivors of ABA. I'm sure there are good ABA practitioners, but they seem to be the exception rather than the rule. You're right that some people are crazy when it comes to unrealistic adjustments for autism. I think people get overzealous because autistics are expected to put up with things even normal people can't endure. Many of those people are also autistic, so of course they're going to act like stereotypical autistic internet dwellers with insane demands.
@@noctisocculta4820 yeah, perhaps I don’t know enough about ABA, I see it is very controversial, and the long term mental health outlooks aren’t good. Looking back on my comment I probably should have made more emphasis on the negatives of ABA.
@@alecrechtiene558 It's okay mate, wasn't intending to scold you or anything. Several years ago, I didn't know how bad it was either until I read research papers and testimonials about it. Let's face it, autistic people can exhibit challenging behaviours and have trouble articulating what they're feeling - that's what I gather you were saying, right? You can see why some parents will try anything, and why caregivers are unaware of how severely the patient is suffering.
@@alecrechtiene558 just wanted to add, 20 years ago ASD was poorly understood so it's no wonder people had negative experiences with ABA. I'm sure ABA has evolved a lot since then, so I agree that there's a bit of overreacting to it these days.
@@noctisocculta4820 sorry for the late response. Yeah my parents were doing everything they could to help ensure my future success. They were scared and had to gather information at a rapid pace after my diagnosis at 2 years old. For sure there were some things that looking back were not effective, but I owe my life to them for raising me to be accountable for myself while offering the support when I needed it. I have heard some practices of ABA are much improved as well, and I hope it continues as Autism becomes more common knowledge.
I'm autistic and to this day still wondering if I have ADD or ADHD as well. I was tested for it during my autism assessment, but the result just said "conspicuous" (I don't know if that's the right word, I'm not a native speaker). But they didn't diagnose me with it formally, it was just never mentioned.
Executive dysfunction and hyperfocus are defining traits of both ADHD and autism. Since autism isn't treated, if you're struggling with executive dysfunction you might as well look into ADHD treatment. ADD is called ADHD now, btw, they've been rolled into one. I have an ADHD diagnosis simply because there's no treatment for Asperger's(autism) and depression/anxiety treatments have done nothing but severely ruin my life. ADHD treatment helps a lot, it's not perfect but at least it's better than dismissed as "mentally ill with incurable depression." With ADHD medication I don't have severe panic attacks every day (sensory overwhelm from autism) and I'm not covered in bruises from constantly walking into things. Learning that I'm not alone, and not a piece of trash like my doctors would have me believe, has done wonders for me even without medication.
I think there's a discussion to be had as to whether or not Timmy's actually intellectually impaired because there are several episodes where he demonstrates that he is cognitively aware of what's going on and demonstrates that he has an understanding of everything that's happening around him, he just has a mobility issue that's caused by a physical impairment, and the inability to say anything other than his name.
1:40 a little dream i had several times. I work at a call center and woke up several times before, thinking that i'm in a call with a customer. Suddenly my body wakes up and can't hear the customer anymore. I think for seconds how to explain this to my supervisor (i had her image in my head). It takes several seconds more until i realize that my headset isn't plugged in. Then that i don't wear a headset and finally that i'm in my bed.
A good number of times parents (and kids) use ADD as an excuse to not have to behave in an appropriate manner. I work with such kids on an every day basis and it is important to provide them strong structure and stiff consequences for bad behavior (this applies to all kids).
I was helping a customer one time, and her son (about 4) was running willy-nilly all around the store, pulling things off shelves, smacking into displays, pinching his little sister who was sitting in their basket (she was sobbing and upset about it, he was leaving marks), reaching for things in other people’s carts, squealing and shrieking and just generally being an unholy terror. I paused to ask mom if she needed to go get him, and she just waved dismissively and said “he’s autistic”. Lady, I don’t care if he’s a war veteran, he’s going to get himself hurt, you need to do something, and autism is not an excuse to ignore your child. I got his attention, gave him a crayon and some paper, drew one of those “draw this shape without picking up your pencil” things, and asked him to try. He sat right down on the floor and was busy with that crayon and paper for an *hour*. Never managed to draw the shape right, but he was happy, and so was everybody else in the store. Kid was just bored and ignored. I still wonder what ever happened with him (and his poor little sis) sometimes.
Doc, have you ever heard of a book/movie called "the boy, the mole the fox and the horse" it's a brilliant story that helped me deal with s lot of stuff that happened in my childhood. If you have the time I highly recommend watching it, would also be interesting to hear your take on it
hey, good music is timeless, im 43 but i listen to everything from Nat king Cole, frank Sinatra, yes, Phil Collins, genesis, Beatles, rolling stones, beach boys, aretha Franklin, Gladys knight, Marvin gaye, temptations, led zeppelin , aerosmith, jimi Hendrix, black sabbath, bob Marley Dennis brown, Errol dunkley, bunny wailer, journey, Jackie Wilson, Wilson Pickett; i can go on forever, i was exposed to and had access to all music from the time i was literally a baby on up through childhood adolescence, teen years etc.
It does when you get th wrong one and it's over medicated, which in the 90's was what happened all the time. I had several friends who spent 5-8 years basically numb to everything because of it.
For all the crap the show has gotten over the years, It still has somehow wound up with a more inclusive cast than most shows out there. I really do appreciate its representation of disabled people. Their handicap itself is never punched down at, nor is it the whole of the character. All too often, when you have a major disability, it tends to override any significant personality traits in people's minds and become all you're known for. Jimmy is an overly nice stand up comedian. Timmy is an earnest kid with a jealousy streak. The way they handled the kids with special Olympics, or when Cartman faked torrets syndrome, etc etc. Just nice to see handicapped people existing without being a punchline, or for them to be there JUST because they're disabled like a token pandering attempt you might see elsewhere.
I can’t tell you how many times here in America from 7th grade through the end of college I’ve had homework that kept me up until 2 or 3 in the morning, if not all night. It was really bad in college being in culinary school and staying up doing homework all night just to go into lab at 8 AM and be expected to cut something up using a knife so sharp I would cut clean through my finger before I’d even noticed it got me. I went through school with ADHD, Autism, and PTSD without an official diagnosis until I was 26.
I actually have first hand experience of ADHD medicine making a child pretty much "a zombie". I work in early childhood education and there was this ADHD case that was so severe, there was pretty much nonother option but to put him on medication way earlier than you'd usually do it, bedore he had even tuened 5. The most worrying side effect of it was that after the medicine started doing its thing, all he did was sit around with tbis empty stare and lack of joy. It took a long time to find the right balance for it and those first couple of months were really unsettling and understandably he was very much against taking the medicine too.
So I’ve been recommended your channel before but this is the first time ever actually watching one of your videos before. Hearing you say how ADHD and autism were under diagnosed in girls hit really hard. I was thankfully diagnosed in second grade, but that didn’t stop someone from trying to say I didn’t. The psychiatrist I had when I was around 11 made me take a test to see if I had adhd and it turned out that yes I did. I apparently had one of the most severe cases he’d ever seen according to the test I took. Is there a specific reason that ADHD and autism tends to be overlooked or just flat out written off in girls? Is it just the stigma and culture behind mental health?
Thank you Dr Elliott for mentioning how they lock you away under the guise of helping you. i was locked in a physiatric hospital many times in my teenage years. Five times in the span of four years, it took them all four years before they called a neurologist. Thank you for speaking about that. ❤
I don’t if it’s just me. But I was really annoyed when they kept saying they’re laughing at him. Uhhh no clearly they were just excited to see him on the stage rocking out.
I would test his vocabulary skills, get a picture and have three options. Next a math have test, have a sum and 3 options. Then see if he can recognise people. Then read a short story and have answers on cards.
I was diagnosed at 36 and put on a non-stimulant. It was missed because I was quiet and performed at a pretty high level in a lot of environments-or at least, on the outside. I was able to pass school pretty easily, including a pretty intense, accelerated healthcare schooling through a masters degree. But the procrastination and amount of time i spent on work leads to a ton of imposter syndrome. It also ruined my relationship with music because i could play, but never could spend the time i needed to get myself where *I* truly wanted to be. The meds haven't really changed the symptoms themselves, but the anxiety relief is nice, so i stick with them🤷♂️
I have bipolar 1, along with a few other psychological conditions, and I am not on any psych meds. I wish I had something for anxiety, but I really try to just deal with my issues and learn to work through them. Plus I use weed. However, I am not anti-medication. I just have a lot of medication sensitivities. Love your vids! I think you're brilliant!
I think this episode was their take on when ADD was first really being paid attention to in the main stream and was felt to be over diagnosed, putting a bunch of kids on ritalin that didn't need it. I was one of them in the 90's. Where my teacher had a psychologist come and observe me, cause I never paid attention in class. Luckily for me, the psychologist said that I was fine. I just did my work rather quickly, then goofed off because I was bored.
Trey and Matt are “allowed” to have Timmy and Jimmy because they are just normal characters. They don’t get treated in any different way than the other kids.
Inattentive ADHD here! I was... lucky? To get a diagnosis when I was 11? Being afab it was pretty remarkable that I was correctly assessed in the early 00s, but because of the stigma around medication I wasn't medicated during school nor was I given any information about ADHD or any additional help. Just, "yup that's adhd all right, okay off you go". And despite having the DX I struggled all throughout school and was written off as lazy or like I didn't care about learning, no matter how much I really wanted to do well. Eventually I just gave up, and graduated late with a really poor GPA. Didn't go to college. Now I am medicated and educated and have developed a system that works for me and surprise surprise I LOVE learning things and I love keeping busy and working on stuff. Sidenote I'm strongly against homework in general. Kids already spend tons of time at school as it is.
I was diagnosed with ADHD, OCD, depression and anxiety when I was in my late 20s. I really struggled in school, and my parents refused to get me evaluated and just insisted that I was lazy/not trying hard enough. I think they believed that if there was something "wrong" with me that it would make them look bad. 🙄
i’ve been diagnosed with ADHD and i take ritalin for it but sometimes i do get a bit of a rapid heartbeat and maybe even a bit more anxious with it, does that mean i don’t actually have ADHD?
Hey wait OP question. You said that Ritalin shouldn't make you a zombie, Adderall too im willing to bet. What would cause you to become a zombie? I was diagnosed with Asperger's (now asd) at 19 and adhd at 7. Both are correct. Would this have an effect on medication? I tried four different medications and only the wakefulness drug that costs a fortune that i can't remember the name of actually did anything positive for the brain noise. Not looking for diagnosis just an explanation as to why zombification happens and if there is a correlation? I know there aren't a lot of studies if any. Just sucks being disabled with no help or answers.
I used to go zombie-mode on Ritalin, but not on Wellbutrin. It may be a by-product of depression. You can stimulate the focus portion of your brain, but you can't make it focus if it doesn't wanto to focus.
I was diagnosed with ADHD back in primary school. Though I was having adverse effects to any and all stimulants I was given. Ive been dealing with it without meds since highschool. The kicker is that nowadays Im not really sure if I had ADHD at all.
So the reason Parker and Stone were absolute savages towards Phil Collins was due to them having lost the Oscar to Best Song to him that same year. Tarzan came out the same year as the South Park movie. Granted, neither of them were expecting to win the Oscar, but I have no idea who they were expecting to see win. My guess was probably Randy Newman for the song, "When Somebody Loved Me."
My doctor gave me a month-long journal to fill out with details of my daily randomness. At the end of the month, he'd review what I'd written and refer me. Considering I lost two journals within a week, he didn't need a month. As for the hallucinations? I was seeing movement out of the corner of my eye when things got weird. That bit was kinda fun, the rest wasn't.
i have hyperactive impulsive adhd and i was seen as a gifted kid that didnt apply themselves enough. i got good grades until school required actual focus and concentration instead of just reciting what i already knew.
yeah I got the "SIT DOWN AND STUDY" method, I wanted to be a vet but i dropped out and continue to live with my mom at 30 so I dont think that worked very well. though i must admit ive seen a few kids who could probably benefit from that therapy. at least short term. also you neeed to analyze the episode krazy kripples its wild.
i think a point that could have been made by south park is addressing the sugar intake between generations affecting the children. i almost expected the doctor prescribing corporal punishment to say , watch how effective my method is after these children have woke up and had there breakfast. underpinning it with a super sugary kid cereal that just amped up there perceived hyperactivity sitting in the background as a normal breakfast.
3:27 My mom. She doesn't have ADHD or ADD or autism but rather like I said previously she has neurofibromatosis type two which did effect her mental growth in school and cause teachers to write her off as just a bad student. (If i remember correctly she graduated high school with a 3.8/4.0 GPA or something like that.) My mom is the type of person that comes off from first impression as stupid or an individual with a low IQ but the truth of the matter is that she is actually incredibly smart and I'm not just saying that because I'm her son I'm saying that because it's accurate. My mom is good at math just looking at her again judging her by appearances most people wouldn't believe she could explain how to find the square root of Sixteen which is four by the way in a more understanding way than someone with a masters degree in mathematics. I.E my algebra teacher. When I was in Algebra I was honestly confused by the subject matter I knew my algebra but it was how my college educated masters degree in mathematics teacher was teaching it that stumped me. My mom broke down a question I was struggling with in variables and vocabulary I understood the next time I had a question that was similar I solved it in the way my mom showed me. Intelligence isn't always on the the surface. Take Bart Simpson,he doesn't apply himself in school and is receives poor grades,yet when he applies himself at something he actually cares about like preventing one of sideshow bobs many crimes he succeeds and he goes down that path in ways that stump,agian and again, his family, friend's and people in his community. While Bart isn't smart when it comes to school,he is smart in other fields. Let's use another example. My dad is very knowledgeable when it comes to history. Ask him a historical question he'll answer it and break it down in a way a teacher would. Ask him to name the chambers of the heart or to identify the function of each organ of the body and he'll try his best but he won't be able to answer the question correctly. While someone like yourself or most people in the medical field would find a question like that easy to answer. Everyone has their own level of intelligence,what a person is smart in and what they struggle in is different for each individual person. The doctor who did my surgery removing my right optical nerve the eyeball itself is a good neurologist but I wouldn't ask him to do my taxes.
i took all those add meds as a kid, i was 4 feet tall until 5th grade im 37 now, 100 lbs soaking wet and have chronic pain in my stomach and intestines, my entire adult life was ruined because i was bored at school... ugh
I think it speaks to the level of anxiety that schools and testing cause that fully grown adults have actual nightmares about having tests and homework.
The US got rid of the Asylum system and the goal was to move everything into the outpatient and community services. The federal government provided plenty of grants. It was the worst mistake the US ever made. Keep healthcare centralized. No, it's not empathetic. No, it's not treating people like equals. But it's the best way to protect everyone, reduce costs, and stop a situation where the mentally ill can only get treatment at jails or the ER.
I just want to say thank you honestly for recognising the R word as a word thats misused. My sister was labeled the R word by the school because she learned a lot slower than the other kids. The real reason behind her slowing learning ability is the fact that she,like myself and our mother have Neurofibromatosis type two which prevented us from learning ar the same speed as other children our ages. I'm 27 years old currently and I repeated my senior year and yes my disability did impare my learning as it did my mom, and my sister's but we all graduated. My mom and oldest sister even going to college for medical billing. (My mom never completed her final test but she technically did graduate) My third eldest sister was treated by the school as if she was the R word. Putting her in a special education classes. Neurofibromatosis effected me and my mother more physically, a tumour formed in my right eye and slowly moved towards my skull, while my mom had to have a big tumour on her forehead both of which could have killed us because of how close they were to our brain. I do not like the R word and I am someone who doesn't censor himself I have a rather large vocabulary but the R word is something even I wouldn't use and I respect and thank you for recognising the word as something people often misuse.
Stimulants are not always applicable, my son was diagnosed adhd and they just made him violent. I can deal with his eccentricities, i cant deal with him pushing people into oncoming traffic
The Great Gatsby is just Adult/American story if Cinderella. Rich guy keeps throwing huge extravagant parties to find a girl he met once a long time ago. And the book is from the perspective of one of the friends of the girl he is looking for.
Love that South Park never has Timmy or Jimmy's disabilities be the punchline of a joke, but they're often used as a mirror of how society treats people like them.
I absolutely love the episode where they join the Crips.
Definitely agree with this, except with a slight reframing. Sometimes their disability is part of a punchline, but it's never punching down at Jimmy or Timmy themselves. There are a few times that Jimmy's stutter is a punchline, for example, but we're not laughing AT Jimmy, we're laughing at the scenario or the outcome of his stutter, like when he tells Wendy "Stan says you're a cunt- a cunt- you're a cunt- a... a continual source of inspiration to him."
Like in Stan's little speech at the end of this episode, I think the great thing about how South Park has used Timmy and Jimmy is that they don't shy away from ever making jokes around their disabilities, but it's never to belittle the character themselves. It strikes me as very similar to how Avatar The Last Airbender is able to successfully make blindness jokes about Toph, but it never comes across as cruel or as making Toph less of an independent human being. It's just a part of her, like Jimmy's stutter and use of crutches.
TIMMY.....
@@SliceOfDoggreat analysis
Timmy is actually fully cognitive, he just can't vocalize his words beyond his name.
Plus his pet turkey's name and the name of his band in this very episode
Gobbles!
Uh, he can say "Living a lie".
he said something along the lines of 'please help me' in the season 4 episode Fourth Grade
And Jimmy's name too. As phonetically similar as it is we barely hear him derriviate his speech, so I think that's quite notable beyond the similarities.
I feel like in future South Park episodes they show more of how Timmy might not have an intellectual disability at all. He tends to show quite a bit of intelligence and insight, but his physical disabilities often prevent him from communicating.
Yeah, also Timmy's superhero character Doctor Timothy (not talking about Iron Maiden) is very smart, and in order for him to play as that character he'd have to actually be smart.
Having school dreams as an adult is so frustrating because your brain is forgetting that you're an adult.
I once dreamt I had forgotten my psychology homework and my health homework.
My subconscious thinks it's sooooo clever.
So glad I'm not the only one doing this. I always dream I'm back in GCSE Biology with the one teacher I tucked my shirt and did my tie for - the one I was shit-scared of 😂
@@RobbieManicääää😂
I have dreams where I am on a cap or excursion or something
Idk if it counts but I'm always waking up in the middle of the night in a panic because I haven't gone to maths class in a while and it takes me a minute to remember I'm in my 30s
To be fair, we don’t really “know” that Timmy is intellectually disabled. In the MCU parody episodes/games, he’s portrayed as able to telepathically communicate eloquently, and he actually does have quite a bit of awareness of the situations he finds himself in. His speech issues probably have more to do with his physical disability.
Just the whole framing Jimmy thing was clearly something that showed intelligence.
I remember when I first started a stimulant for my ADHD, I remember I was able to get so many things done, I cried so hard because I finally felt normal for the first time in my life.
This was Timmy's first episode and apparently the nework really had a problem with his character and didn't want a handicapped child to be shown. Turns out people loved Timmy. And so do I! Also, even though I got ADD the "sit down and study" scene cracks me up so hard.
The big note was he was loved by the deveolpmentally disabled community since he gave them representation. In the commentary Trey Parker mentions how Comedy Central flipped 180 on Timmy once they realized no one was offended for the most part and they could use Timmy to sell merch.
Timmy's first appearance was "Tooth Fairy's Tats 2000" when the kids use his wheelchair to pull Kenny's tooth out
@@streakslinger I think they meant where he's a major contributor and focus in the episode, but you are correct.
The shows creators talked about in a commentary that comedy central gave a lot of push back on Timmy being in the show and sent a list of what they can and cant do with him. They said the way CC treated Timmy was worse than any joke they could make
Imagine if they made an episode where the class had to make their own play and the principal put those restrictions on Timmy to parody Comedy Central.
Phil Collins was actually still pretty relevant when this came out, having just done the soundtrack for Disney's Tarzan. Incidentally, he won the Academy Award for best original song for one of those songs over South Park's 'Blame Canada,' so Season 4 of South Park has a bunch of Phil Collins jabs.
Here’s a summary of the Great Gatsby for you:
Gatsby: “Daisy, I made all this money for you because I love you.”
Daisy: “I cannot reciprocate, because I represent the American dream.”
Gatsby: “Now I must die, because I also represent the American dream.”
(Gatsby dies)
Nick: “I hate New Yorkers.”
I was born with Cerebral Palsy. I am currently in my 30s. When I was Timmy's age, my teachers tried making a case that I was retarded primarily because I was slow with my writing due to my limited motor skills. I was able to prove enough competency with my school's psychologist and they let me stay with my class. When I was a senior in high school, the education board came to my school and made a similar case that because of my lacking performance in a couple subjects, I could not attend University. I took the SAT and applied and got into my college of choice. I went on to obtain my 4-year degree in broadcasting. Over time, it branched out to an IT career. I started as a database writer/administrator and I currently work in cyber security. I still struggle with Cerebral Palsy, but my circumstances are far better.
I did not watch South Park too often but this was always one of my favorite episodes.
Kudos to you for overcoming all these obstacles! Your story is actually pretty inspiring. Thanks for sharing it!
I'm going to pull back the curtain:
It's because public schools get extra funding for children with disabilities. This money, often times, goes into the pockets of the faculties.
As someone with adhd who has been burnt out since I was in primary school, hearing that doing homework until 2am is a scenario where the harm obviously outweighs the benefit is so validating
Well, only if you actually start the homework at a normal time. If you start at midnight and finish at 2am then it's not the teacher's fault for assigning too much homework.
Dyspraxia, echolalia, limp body… seems more like cerebral palsy
Edit: Also that’s CRAZY focus to stay awake for all of the Great Gatsby! Timmy has amazing focus!!
@@fussyharp9834 great idea! But I think you should probably mention it in the main thread and not my subthread 8)
@@scriptorpaulina okay what the heck I didn’t realize when I posted that comment I was replying to someone. I’m a real klutz for that. Sorry
@@fussyharp9834 oh it’s no problem! I just wanted to make sure Dr. McCarthy saw it
19:01 this really does make me think about when I feel discomfort when I see someone with a disability because I don’t know how to communicate effectively. This is exactly what the message of this episode was about. People didn’t want to protect Timmy, they just didn’t want to deal with their own discomfort.
Timmy is shown to be pretty sharp and cognizant in "Up the Down Steroid" despite still only being able to say his name.
I am also in my 30's and have a degree and a career but still have nightmares that I forgot to go to math class for a whole semester and will not get my high school diploma.
I have nightmares like that but often for a whole semester of community college classes.
Was on Ritalin and then Concerta for a number of years in adolescence. Went med-free for many years, back on it a couple of years ago (am 37 now). It's a game and life changer for me! I can be a long-term study LOL
As a woman who wasn’t diagnosed with adhd or autism until my late 30s because I was also very smart and able to mask in childhood, I appreciate your commentary about how both things are very underdiagnosed in women. My life changed when I started taking Adderall-the trajectory of my life would have been a lot different if I had been medicated as a teen instead of in my late 30s.
Born in 89 so Phil Collins equals amazing Tarzan soundtrack to me lol. Still listen to them.
The comedic timing on every different thing Timmy says is really good
I was one of those inattentive that got missed. Just got told I was smart, but lazy and unwilling to put in the effort. Didn't get diagnosed until a couple years ago at 35.
Adderall XR is a life changer for me. Of course thanks to it's stock issues and doctor's unwillingness to write the prescription even with a diagnosis, I'm usually stuck being unmedicated.
I can't handle more than 5 mg of Adderall. It's the levoamphetamine. I take Dexedrine, and IR because that takes long enough to work.
The treatment of Timmy's band in this episode really hit close to home. There's a sports team here that has a fella with an intellectual disability working with them (idk which disability it is), and he's sort of become their second mascot/hype man. He leads people in the national anthem and little songs cheering on the team, greets people at the entrance before games start, etc.
Most people genuinely think he's really cool. Even people who aren't that into sports know him as a beloved local icon, but there's a minority that feels like he's being exploited and that everyone is just pretending to like him as some kind of bit.
As an older viewer, 58, when I was in school I constantly got the phrases like ' lazy, unmotivated, stupid..etc.... After graduation I finally got my diagnosis. I'm a dyslexic with ADHD ( along with a couple other things) It made things so much clearer and better. Learning how I need to learn made a huge difference. Finding out it can be inherited, I made sure to pay attention when my own children started school. I went head to head with my daughters school to get her tested, she's dyslexic as well, but in a very different manner than I am.
I'm a 39 year old female and just got diagnosed with ADHD this year and began treatment. It's been life changing.
The Great Gatsby is from the perspective of a white man meeting another new money white man pining for an old money white girl he met when he was a poor soldier. It does not go well for Gatsby.
Mostly because he happened to be standing next to a particular car at a particular time
I wouldn’t call this story an example of the American dream, but a story of weird coincidences and bad planning.
@@JJ-xs9medefinitely the american dream
Hands up! People pleaser who was inattentive at school. Really wanted to do well but was "troubled" at school. No wonder myself and my ADHD brother did most of our sibling bonding in detention. We became very good at covering for each other, so we got in less trouble overall. We were both diagnosed with ADHD in adulthood.
i HAD my diagnosis but still got written off as a bad student because the NZ education system is horrible.
me too, and i got gas lighted so much and the adults when i was a kid always tried to get me upset and then boom, i was the problem, and well i had to actualy fight some adults back, pyscially, as i was assaulted by them, and sadly, i am the way that i am now, but i know i can make changes, and that i am not what they think that i am, ,
I actually did very well in school until I got to uni. Top of the school and everything.
I knew that I couldn't study, and I tried to get help for it from some of my highschool teachers, and they looked at me like I was mad.
I finally got diagnosed with ADHD, and found the right medication, it worked great. So I went back to uni across the country, but had to get a new psychiatrist, and the moment I sat down he said "you don't have ADHD I would've known from the moment you walked in the door" and now I'm back to failing my dream degree and there's very little I can do about it.
How very dare you with the Phil Collins judgement!!! lol!
Oof, I'm in my mid-40s, and I STILL have those "didn't finish my homework" dreams. Brains, especially in dreams, are weird.
I lived the first 29 years of my life with undiagnosed ADHD and Bipolar. Now that i am being treated for both, i can't begin to explain the night and day difference. To be honest, I'm lucky to still be alive with how depressed I've been throughout my adult life. Now, I finally feel like I can accomplish things that others can. Now, at aged 30, I'm finally able to function at full capacity.
By the way, it was Thomas Jefferson who wrote the Declaration of Independence
Tommy!!! (see, he was only one letter off...!!)
I'm surprised they didn't go with Adderall and Subtracterall
They must have been divided about it
@@JRSiebzall it did was multiply prescriptions
I think the issue with reasonable adjustments is that some people don't know what "reasonable" means. Why are some disabled people refused even the most basic rights non disabled people have? Why are disabled people often talked over and discussions are with the person next to them? Why are consent laws and mental capacity act laws not applicable to some disabled people? Are discussions about what someone wants to do to your body with complete strangers on the ward (without your consent) ever okay? Do I need to hear about other patients medical issues (i would never ask) and judgement about them from medical staff? How many times does someone have to say no? Is staff signing you consented without your or witnesses knowledge or your consent okay as long you are disabled? Is ignoring you until you become inoperable or an emergency ever okay? There are far more and worse things too. Before implementing reasonable adjustments it would be good to start with legal and human rights. Then maybe dignity and common decency. What is left should then be called reasonable adjustments. Every time I see a zero tolerance poster I am acutely aware staff are more likely to abuse me (from repeated experiences). I am a pacifist but I am treated like a dangerous animal sometimes. I'm autistic but I know these things happen to people with other disabilities.
I can't blame the medical community when their terms get used as slurs by the general public.
The Christina Aguilera monsters are hilarious.
3:25 Me, 100% Written off as being a bad student cause I was a fast learner and stopped paying attention and never wanted to do homework after I learned something. Took until High school when I had good Teachers who noticed I was acing every test and not cheating for my GPA to improve... Went from 2.5 all middle school to a 3.5 in 8th grade through junior year and a 4.0 Senior year... cause I picked all electives. Dont think I did homework once through all Highschool, half the teachers had it extra credit, the other half only 10-20% of the grade... so I took the B or B-
I dont believe timmy has an intellectual disability. I believe its completely physical. He is pretty well adjusted for someone in his condition. In the special olympics eposode really shows this
He might have a little bit of mental impairment, but he was very clearly able to frame Jimmy.
I had to take Ritalin in elementary school because of adhd, it sucked. Just made me tired.
90's or the early 00's? Because several of my friends ended up getting almost twice the dose my nephew is getting today and it really did zombie them up.
@@kyleellis1825Late 80s/early 90s.
@@Amarth13 Sounds like you got a bigger dose than was needed. Was very common in the 90s. Most kids who got prescribed it needed like 1/3 of the dosage.
In the US many of us have to read The Great Gastby in high school and it’s sooooooo boring this was over 20 years for me and I still just remember it was a snooze fest but I probably have ADHD so 🤷♀️
3:24 My dad had undiagnosed dyslexia. He wanted to be an engineer but was told by his high school counselor that he was too dumb to be an engineer and he should be a locksmith instead. My dad designed a keypad lock for his parents house which had been broken into a few times, then said he'd been a locksmith and was going to be an engineer. He ended up doing very well in his career as an engineer and had multiple patents to his name.
Idk why but I really love how you react to this and help inform the viewers
Wait a minute, I just noticed Tweek’s parents put him on Ritalin (and stole it themselves) too, but in his first episode “Gnomes” they revealed he was already diagnosed with ADD and they were just treating it with coffee (later revealed to be laced with meth)…
Put it down would be a great episode to review. Tweek is dealing with lots of anxiety and Craig has to learn how to be there for him rather than trying to solve everything.
if we go by that test i have major ADHD lol haha , because my whole life if i dont like something, i just wont care or listen or just day dream, however if i do like something i am really invested in it.
Timmy is smarter than most kids of South Park...
2:39 this actually goes really far back, I've found a census from a workhouse that used to be near me in the 1800s, and you see under the diagnosis it's just labeled "idiot"
I LOVE the fact that you make videos on South Park 🤣🤣🤣❤
This episode came on plutotv the same day that I had my own adhd testing done. They didnt read me any books, but this made me laugh because that's what it felt like! Sitting in a room with no windows, answering question after question, filling out dots on a scantron, playing the worst computer game ever, and no coffee that morning to top it off. I was seriously struggling just to keep my eyes open!
Something I love about this episode is that at no point was the joke on people with actual issues
1:44 I feel you, I've had that exact dream theme several times.
I also have another recurring nightmare around shool that goes like this (with variations):
I have to retake my final secondary shool examinations, because either I'm a vraud and never graduated highshool, or "lost" them, or my mum forces me to retake them to get better grades. Most of the time I'm my actual age and have to blend in (or even hide the truth and pretend to be a 19yo) in the last year of terminal class where everyone has known each other for ages. I'm the new weird alien and everyone (teachers included) hates me. Sometimes I'm still working at the same time, jungling a half-time job with shool presence and homework and test. It's allways deeply dissettling.
For context, I passed my exams back then at first try, but was already dealing with serious mental health issues myself as well as having to look after my also mentally ill mother. A big portion of the exam time she was actually in hospital, and beside the preparation for the exams, I had to run the household being alone at that time (sister at uni) and visit her in hospital via bus to bring her stuff and freshly washed (by me too) clothes. It was soo much I actually could not study for some exams at all. I was pretty convinced that I would fail (wich made me somewhat calmer, but at the same time gave me these nightmarish thoughts of how unbearable it must be to re-do the final grade in a whole new class, saty in shool another endless year... (I'm digressing again, but it's complex)
Also context, I studied biology and passed all the basic biology courses, making it though all the modules (but chemistry), but had to give up my studies to to my deterorating health (and financial) situation. So I did not do the re-examination test, but learne all the programm. As this is hard on me, I guess my brain mixes these academic milestones up.
I have been diagnosed with autism a few times (once as a kid but my parents never told me, then again as an adult by 2.5 different medical professionals (a bmed doctor who highly suspected it but then my therapist and my psychiatrist came to the same conclusion the exact same week). While not diagnosed with ADHD officially I suspect I have ADHD as well, while in Bmed again recently they started me on Modafinil because in addition to why I was there again I was also having issues where I would go from wide awake to feeling unsafe to drive levels of fatigue in an instant while driving, when I started on that I noticed not just the fatigue being much better but also it was kind of like when I had accidentally put on the right prescription glasses for the first time of that feeling of not knowing just how bad my sight was to "oh this is how things are suppose to look?", but with my ability to focus on things... sure it doesn't help with focusing on the right things but it still is a great improvement over my focus being either on 50,000 things all at once or hyper focused on a single thing to the point where it is detrimental and unproductive. It isn't some magic fix all, but it is a great tool where between the medication and between the therapy I am learning how to have more normal levels of focus on things (that isn't what the therapy is focused on, it is focused on my DV situation and the autism, but in learning certain skills it helps me learn how to not hyperfocus on what is overstimulating me).
So in my experience meds are not some magic fix all but are an extremely useful tool in addition to other things, in a way it is like the medication is say the hammer while the therapy is learning and gaining the strength to lift and drop that hammer in order to make it function, where the hammer is a needed tool but is useless without knowing how to use the hammer and the strength to use it. And sure you can hammer in that nail without a hammer and use purely the motion from the therapy but the hammer just makes it a lot quicker and less harmful in the process. I am all for a mixture of medicines with therapy and other tools to allow the medication to be a tool, because at the end of the day a tool can only do so much if you don't have the knowledge or strength to use it.
I have a friend who was diagnosed with autism.. after he went to be a ot more unresonable.. u cant have a argument with him ..(better avoid).I felt like the diagnose had given him a free pass to just act like a asshole.. like he is a autist now.. before he would atleast think twice about acting up about somthing.. on that level i dont like people being diagnosed so easy.. and them being like this is how I am deal with it, in result he now has much less friends then before.. people dont like hanging around him so they stay away.
Taking medicine can also have very different effects on different people.. if somthing works for u thats great.. but never forget to also compare to ur normal state.. being on meds all the time can alter ur normal state..or just stop working after a while.
@@larsvegas1505 Where as I would argue that autism goes way too undiagnosed. As to your (ex?)friend acting in a way you no longer like you have no clue how hard of a struggle it is to mask 24/7, maybe their change in attitude was to greatly improve their health by no longer forcing themself to mask, you have no clue what was going on behind closed doors when they got back to private areas when they would be able to stop masking and have a breakdown or meltdown or shutdown. You have no clue if they "got worse" or if it actually improved but you just were not seeing the meltdowns because they were able to hide in public but then meltdown when they were with people they felt safe with.
As to comparing to my "normal state" as you like to say if I tried to live in my authentic "normal state" I would probably not be alive today, I masked for 35 years and it dang near killed me pretending to be someone I am not just in order to be able to hold a job by pretending to be "normal", you highly underestimate just how much of a struggle it can be. But while you are not wrong that some people build up drug tolerances that hardly relates to anything mentioned specially seeing as autism doesn't really get treated with medication, and the difference ADHD medication is the difference being able to function and hold a job and being unable to function and unable to afford food let alone housing, and between the choice of being on medications integrated with therapy or being unable to survive, yeah the answer is clear which one is better, also drug tolerance is more common in the old school ADHD meds like Ritalin and Adderall and is far less common in the newer medications because they function in a different way.
@@hockeyhacker97 In my age ritalin was the normal drug kids would get.. In my opinion way to many boys that were a bit to rowdy in school..
I do still think that most people are pretending to be normal just to keep a job though its not just u having a hard time.. Most people struggle in life.. I mostly use coffee to get me trough the day.. used to smoke but it was too unhealthy so i quit.
On the other story i do think its sad that my friend now lost so many social contacts after a doctor told him he was a autist.. people wouldnve cared if he acted a bit more socially.. but i guess thats just who he is now. I do visit from time to time but it takes a lot of energy out of me. Because i have to really think before i say something.. i dont want to upset him every time.
10:03 When I was much younger (we're talking between 8 and 14) they woefully misdiagnosed with everything from ADD to just saying NI when they couldn't figure it out, especially since my mother refused to admit to or acknowledge the role of TRAUMA that I had been very silently being made to go through and had no outlet or help once so ever. Sexual and physical abuse, constant humiliation and isolation at home and then being told to just fix yourself and act normal, this was followed by a very heavy family tragedy and even more psychological needs buried entirely for the entirety of my teenage years into adulthood.
As you can imagine, none of that had a very positive effect on my personality, attitude towards people or my psyche.
Also Ritalin makes my hair fall out, so so turns out I have a physical allergy to it to boot.
Now I'm Bipolar 1 Hypomania with chronic anxiety and depression episodes related directly to PTSD-triggered causes.
Big shocker there. The roles of the parent in mental health still gets massively downplayed, and even just lied about to protect the feelings of the parents, especially the ones from *that* generation.
hell, intellectual disability is far more insulting than saying retardation; because saying someone is intellectual disabled, if you really break that word down you are saying that the person is not able to be intellectual, or have intellect. you are saying they are stupid. while retardation simply means slow, or delayed, it does not mean the person is stupid or not able to be intelligent.
yeah, Special needs was my preffered descriptor. But now I'm a monster if I call myself that.
The Great Gatsby is one of my favorite novels, the writing is spectacular. Highly recommend
This is one of the best south park episodes for sure. All of season 4 is great actually.
7:37 I’m glad you’ve shed light in this topic. I see so many activists online that push for really impractical adjustments that eliminate any personal responsibility. As someone on the spectrum myself, I don’t want that. I don’t believe in self diagnosis or the idea that “ABA is genocidal” (I really don’t know much about ABA but it certainly doesn’t seem “genocidal”) I agree Autism Speaks is not a great organization but damn there is so much wacky unrealistic expectations on how society should adjust to autism.
ABA is considered bad because it often involved strapping someone into a chair, depriving them of food and water, and beating them senseless if they don't behave. That's why people don't like it happening to children. The most vocal critics are survivors of ABA. I'm sure there are good ABA practitioners, but they seem to be the exception rather than the rule.
You're right that some people are crazy when it comes to unrealistic adjustments for autism. I think people get overzealous because autistics are expected to put up with things even normal people can't endure. Many of those people are also autistic, so of course they're going to act like stereotypical autistic internet dwellers with insane demands.
@@noctisocculta4820 yeah, perhaps I don’t know enough about ABA, I see it is very controversial, and the long term mental health outlooks aren’t good. Looking back on my comment I probably should have made more emphasis on the negatives of ABA.
@@alecrechtiene558 It's okay mate, wasn't intending to scold you or anything. Several years ago, I didn't know how bad it was either until I read research papers and testimonials about it.
Let's face it, autistic people can exhibit challenging behaviours and have trouble articulating what they're feeling - that's what I gather you were saying, right? You can see why some parents will try anything, and why caregivers are unaware of how severely the patient is suffering.
@@alecrechtiene558 just wanted to add, 20 years ago ASD was poorly understood so it's no wonder people had negative experiences with ABA. I'm sure ABA has evolved a lot since then, so I agree that there's a bit of overreacting to it these days.
@@noctisocculta4820 sorry for the late response. Yeah my parents were doing everything they could to help ensure my future success. They were scared and had to gather information at a rapid pace after my diagnosis at 2 years old. For sure there were some things that looking back were not effective, but I owe my life to them for raising me to be accountable for myself while offering the support when I needed it. I have heard some practices of ABA are much improved as well, and I hope it continues as Autism becomes more common knowledge.
I'm autistic and to this day still wondering if I have ADD or ADHD as well. I was tested for it during my autism assessment, but the result just said "conspicuous" (I don't know if that's the right word, I'm not a native speaker). But they didn't diagnose me with it formally, it was just never mentioned.
Executive dysfunction and hyperfocus are defining traits of both ADHD and autism. Since autism isn't treated, if you're struggling with executive dysfunction you might as well look into ADHD treatment. ADD is called ADHD now, btw, they've been rolled into one.
I have an ADHD diagnosis simply because there's no treatment for Asperger's(autism) and depression/anxiety treatments have done nothing but severely ruin my life. ADHD treatment helps a lot, it's not perfect but at least it's better than dismissed as "mentally ill with incurable depression." With ADHD medication I don't have severe panic attacks every day (sensory overwhelm from autism) and I'm not covered in bruises from constantly walking into things. Learning that I'm not alone, and not a piece of trash like my doctors would have me believe, has done wonders for me even without medication.
I think there's a discussion to be had as to whether or not Timmy's actually intellectually impaired because there are several episodes where he demonstrates that he is cognitively aware of what's going on and demonstrates that he has an understanding of everything that's happening around him, he just has a mobility issue that's caused by a physical impairment, and the inability to say anything other than his name.
He vry clearly plans out framing Jimmy to get him kiced out of scouts and he does so by using photoshop believably in the early 00's.
1:40 a little dream i had several times.
I work at a call center and woke up several times before, thinking that i'm in a call with a customer. Suddenly my body wakes up and can't hear the customer anymore. I think for seconds how to explain this to my supervisor (i had her image in my head). It takes several seconds more until i realize that my headset isn't plugged in. Then that i don't wear a headset and finally that i'm in my bed.
A good number of times parents (and kids) use ADD as an excuse to not have to behave in an appropriate manner. I work with such kids on an every day basis and it is important to provide them strong structure and stiff consequences for bad behavior (this applies to all kids).
I was helping a customer one time, and her son (about 4) was running willy-nilly all around the store, pulling things off shelves, smacking into displays, pinching his little sister who was sitting in their basket (she was sobbing and upset about it, he was leaving marks), reaching for things in other people’s carts, squealing and shrieking and just generally being an unholy terror. I paused to ask mom if she needed to go get him, and she just waved dismissively and said “he’s autistic”. Lady, I don’t care if he’s a war veteran, he’s going to get himself hurt, you need to do something, and autism is not an excuse to ignore your child.
I got his attention, gave him a crayon and some paper, drew one of those “draw this shape without picking up your pencil” things, and asked him to try. He sat right down on the floor and was busy with that crayon and paper for an *hour*. Never managed to draw the shape right, but he was happy, and so was everybody else in the store. Kid was just bored and ignored. I still wonder what ever happened with him (and his poor little sis) sometimes.
Doc, have you ever heard of a book/movie called "the boy, the mole the fox and the horse" it's a brilliant story that helped me deal with s lot of stuff that happened in my childhood. If you have the time I highly recommend watching it, would also be interesting to hear your take on it
hey, good music is timeless, im 43 but i listen to everything from Nat king Cole, frank Sinatra, yes, Phil Collins, genesis, Beatles, rolling stones, beach boys, aretha Franklin, Gladys knight, Marvin gaye, temptations, led zeppelin , aerosmith, jimi Hendrix, black sabbath, bob Marley Dennis brown, Errol dunkley, bunny wailer, journey, Jackie Wilson, Wilson Pickett; i can go on forever, i was exposed to and had access to all music from the time i was literally a baby on up through childhood adolescence, teen years etc.
Really hate when they say adhd medication does shit like this
I avoided medication for years because this is the only stuff I’ve seen that medicine do
It does when you get th wrong one and it's over medicated, which in the 90's was what happened all the time. I had several friends who spent 5-8 years basically numb to everything because of it.
For all the crap the show has gotten over the years, It still has somehow wound up with a more inclusive cast than most shows out there. I really do appreciate its representation of disabled people. Their handicap itself is never punched down at, nor is it the whole of the character. All too often, when you have a major disability, it tends to override any significant personality traits in people's minds and become all you're known for. Jimmy is an overly nice stand up comedian. Timmy is an earnest kid with a jealousy streak. The way they handled the kids with special Olympics, or when Cartman faked torrets syndrome, etc etc. Just nice to see handicapped people existing without being a punchline, or for them to be there JUST because they're disabled like a token pandering attempt you might see elsewhere.
I can’t tell you how many times here in America from 7th grade through the end of college I’ve had homework that kept me up until 2 or 3 in the morning, if not all night. It was really bad in college being in culinary school and staying up doing homework all night just to go into lab at 8 AM and be expected to cut something up using a knife so sharp I would cut clean through my finger before I’d even noticed it got me. I went through school with ADHD, Autism, and PTSD without an official diagnosis until I was 26.
Your videos are so informative!
I recommend watching 'Cartman finds love' or 'Cupid ye' these two are good episodes where Cartman displays symptoms of psychosis
I actually have first hand experience of ADHD medicine making a child pretty much "a zombie". I work in early childhood education and there was this ADHD case that was so severe, there was pretty much nonother option but to put him on medication way earlier than you'd usually do it, bedore he had even tuened 5. The most worrying side effect of it was that after the medicine started doing its thing, all he did was sit around with tbis empty stare and lack of joy. It took a long time to find the right balance for it and those first couple of months were really unsettling and understandably he was very much against taking the medicine too.
So I’ve been recommended your channel before but this is the first time ever actually watching one of your videos before. Hearing you say how ADHD and autism were under diagnosed in girls hit really hard. I was thankfully diagnosed in second grade, but that didn’t stop someone from trying to say I didn’t. The psychiatrist I had when I was around 11 made me take a test to see if I had adhd and it turned out that yes I did. I apparently had one of the most severe cases he’d ever seen according to the test I took.
Is there a specific reason that ADHD and autism tends to be overlooked or just flat out written off in girls? Is it just the stigma and culture behind mental health?
Thank you Dr Elliott for mentioning how they lock you away under the guise of helping you. i was locked in a physiatric hospital many times in my teenage years. Five times in the span of four years, it took them all four years before they called a neurologist. Thank you for speaking about that. ❤
I don’t if it’s just me. But I was really annoyed when they kept saying they’re laughing at him. Uhhh no clearly they were just excited to see him on the stage rocking out.
I would test his vocabulary skills, get a picture and have three options.
Next a math have test, have a sum and 3 options.
Then see if he can recognise people.
Then read a short story and have answers on cards.
He was able to use photoshop to frame Jimmy to get him kicked out of scouts. He's clearly capable.
@@kyleellis1825 Toddler these days know how to use mobile phones
@@jameshumphreys9715 Yeah, today. When this episode aired though, it was very different. Most houses didn't even have a computer yet.
I was diagnosed at 36 and put on a non-stimulant. It was missed because I was quiet and performed at a pretty high level in a lot of environments-or at least, on the outside.
I was able to pass school pretty easily, including a pretty intense, accelerated healthcare schooling through a masters degree. But the procrastination and amount of time i spent on work leads to a ton of imposter syndrome. It also ruined my relationship with music because i could play, but never could spend the time i needed to get myself where *I* truly wanted to be.
The meds haven't really changed the symptoms themselves, but the anxiety relief is nice, so i stick with them🤷♂️
I have bipolar 1, along with a few other psychological conditions, and I am not on any psych meds. I wish I had something for anxiety, but I really try to just deal with my issues and learn to work through them. Plus I use weed. However, I am not anti-medication. I just have a lot of medication sensitivities. Love your vids! I think you're brilliant!
I think this episode was their take on when ADD was first really being paid attention to in the main stream and was felt to be over diagnosed, putting a bunch of kids on ritalin that didn't need it. I was one of them in the 90's. Where my teacher had a psychologist come and observe me, cause I never paid attention in class. Luckily for me, the psychologist said that I was fine. I just did my work rather quickly, then goofed off because I was bored.
Trey and Matt are “allowed” to have Timmy and Jimmy because they are just normal characters. They don’t get treated in any different way than the other kids.
Inattentive ADHD here! I was... lucky? To get a diagnosis when I was 11? Being afab it was pretty remarkable that I was correctly assessed in the early 00s, but because of the stigma around medication I wasn't medicated during school nor was I given any information about ADHD or any additional help. Just, "yup that's adhd all right, okay off you go". And despite having the DX I struggled all throughout school and was written off as lazy or like I didn't care about learning, no matter how much I really wanted to do well. Eventually I just gave up, and graduated late with a really poor GPA. Didn't go to college. Now I am medicated and educated and have developed a system that works for me and surprise surprise I LOVE learning things and I love keeping busy and working on stuff.
Sidenote I'm strongly against homework in general. Kids already spend tons of time at school as it is.
I was diagnosed with ADHD, OCD, depression and anxiety when I was in my late 20s. I really struggled in school, and my parents refused to get me evaluated and just insisted that I was lazy/not trying hard enough. I think they believed that if there was something "wrong" with me that it would make them look bad. 🙄
i’ve been diagnosed with ADHD and i take ritalin for it but sometimes i do get a bit of a rapid heartbeat and maybe even a bit more anxious with it, does that mean i don’t actually have ADHD?
It's a stimulant, those are normal side effects for stimulants (including caffeine). You should talk to your doctor if you're concerned.
Hey wait OP question. You said that Ritalin shouldn't make you a zombie, Adderall too im willing to bet. What would cause you to become a zombie?
I was diagnosed with Asperger's (now asd) at 19 and adhd at 7. Both are correct. Would this have an effect on medication? I tried four different medications and only the wakefulness drug that costs a fortune that i can't remember the name of actually did anything positive for the brain noise.
Not looking for diagnosis just an explanation as to why zombification happens and if there is a correlation? I know there aren't a lot of studies if any. Just sucks being disabled with no help or answers.
I used to go zombie-mode on Ritalin, but not on Wellbutrin.
It may be a by-product of depression. You can stimulate the focus portion of your brain, but you can't make it focus if it doesn't wanto to focus.
I was diagnosed with ADHD back in primary school. Though I was having adverse effects to any and all stimulants I was given. Ive been dealing with it without meds since highschool. The kicker is that nowadays Im not really sure if I had ADHD at all.
So the reason Parker and Stone were absolute savages towards Phil Collins was due to them having lost the Oscar to Best Song to him that same year. Tarzan came out the same year as the South Park movie. Granted, neither of them were expecting to win the Oscar, but I have no idea who they were expecting to see win. My guess was probably Randy Newman for the song, "When Somebody Loved Me."
My doctor gave me a month-long journal to fill out with details of my daily randomness. At the end of the month, he'd review what I'd written and refer me. Considering I lost two journals within a week, he didn't need a month.
As for the hallucinations? I was seeing movement out of the corner of my eye when things got weird. That bit was kinda fun, the rest wasn't.
Up until high school, I was labeled a bad student because I struggled with math and loved to doodle in class.
i have hyperactive impulsive adhd and i was seen as a gifted kid that didnt apply themselves enough. i got good grades until school required actual focus and concentration instead of just reciting what i already knew.
yeah I got the "SIT DOWN AND STUDY" method, I wanted to be a vet but i dropped out and continue to live with my mom at 30 so I dont think that worked very well. though i must admit ive seen a few kids who could probably benefit from that therapy. at least short term. also you neeed to analyze the episode krazy kripples its wild.
Add was really over diagnosed and medicated in the late 90's. It was a pretty serious issue in the states.
i think a point that could have been made by south park is addressing the sugar intake between generations affecting the children. i almost expected the doctor prescribing corporal punishment to say , watch how effective my method is after these children have woke up and had there breakfast. underpinning it with a super sugary kid cereal that just amped up there perceived hyperactivity sitting in the background as a normal breakfast.
3:27
My mom.
She doesn't have ADHD or ADD or autism but rather like I said previously she has neurofibromatosis type two which did effect her mental growth in school and cause teachers to write her off as just a bad student.
(If i remember correctly she graduated high school with a 3.8/4.0 GPA or something like that.)
My mom is the type of person that comes off from first impression as stupid or an individual with a low IQ but the truth of the matter is that she is actually incredibly smart and I'm not just saying that because I'm her son I'm saying that because it's accurate.
My mom is good at math just looking at her again judging her by appearances most people wouldn't believe she could explain how to find the square root of Sixteen which is four by the way in a more understanding way than someone with a masters degree in mathematics.
I.E my algebra teacher.
When I was in Algebra I was honestly confused by the subject matter I knew my algebra but it was how my college educated masters degree in mathematics teacher was teaching it that stumped me.
My mom broke down a question I was struggling with in variables and vocabulary I understood the next time I had a question that was similar I solved it in the way my mom showed me.
Intelligence isn't always on the the surface. Take Bart Simpson,he doesn't apply himself in school and is receives poor grades,yet when he applies himself at something he actually cares about like preventing one of sideshow bobs many crimes he succeeds and he goes down that path in ways that stump,agian and again, his family, friend's and people in his community.
While Bart isn't smart when it comes to school,he is smart in other fields.
Let's use another example.
My dad is very knowledgeable when it comes to history.
Ask him a historical question he'll answer it and break it down in a way a teacher would.
Ask him to name the chambers of the heart or to identify the function of each organ of the body and he'll try his best but he won't be able to answer the question correctly.
While someone like yourself or most people in the medical field would find a question like that easy to answer.
Everyone has their own level of intelligence,what a person is smart in and what they struggle in is different for each individual person.
The doctor who did my surgery removing my right optical nerve the eyeball itself is a good neurologist
but I wouldn't ask him to do my taxes.
Sir! phil collins is not before our time, that soundtrack to Tarzan was amazing hahaha
i took all those add meds as a kid, i was 4 feet tall until 5th grade im 37 now, 100 lbs soaking wet and have chronic pain in my stomach and intestines, my entire adult life was ruined because i was bored at school... ugh
I had undiagnosed asd I got diagnosed in year 12 and it explained a lot of my childhood but it was too little too late
I think it speaks to the level of anxiety that schools and testing cause that fully grown adults have actual nightmares about having tests and homework.
The US got rid of the Asylum system and the goal was to move everything into the outpatient and community services. The federal government provided plenty of grants. It was the worst mistake the US ever made. Keep healthcare centralized. No, it's not empathetic. No, it's not treating people like equals. But it's the best way to protect everyone, reduce costs, and stop a situation where the mentally ill can only get treatment at jails or the ER.
I just want to say thank you honestly for recognising the R word as a word thats misused.
My sister was labeled the R word by the school because she learned a lot slower than the other kids.
The real reason behind her slowing learning ability is the fact that she,like myself and our mother have Neurofibromatosis type two which prevented us from learning ar the same speed as other children our ages.
I'm 27 years old currently and I repeated my senior year and yes my disability did impare my learning as it did my mom, and my sister's but we all graduated.
My mom and oldest sister even going to college for medical billing.
(My mom never completed her final test but she technically did graduate)
My third eldest sister was treated by the school as if she was the R word.
Putting her in a special education classes.
Neurofibromatosis effected me and my mother more physically, a tumour formed in my right eye and slowly moved towards my skull, while my mom had to have a big tumour on her forehead both of which could have killed us because of how close they were to our brain.
I do not like the R word and I am someone who doesn't censor himself I have a rather large vocabulary but the R word is something even I wouldn't use and I respect and thank you for recognising the word as something people often misuse.
Stimulants are not always applicable, my son was diagnosed adhd and they just made him violent. I can deal with his eccentricities, i cant deal with him pushing people into oncoming traffic
The Great Gatsby is just Adult/American story if Cinderella.
Rich guy keeps throwing huge extravagant parties to find a girl he met once a long time ago. And the book is from the perspective of one of the friends of the girl he is looking for.
Has anyone ever suggested Moon Knight? Specifically Ep 5 - Asylum. The character is dealing with DID.
I Have Autism ,ADHD , Cerebral Palsy, Dyslexia!School Was Very Hard For Me!😢😮🥰📚👨👩👧👦🖥💗
Congratulations! You're a quadruple threat! :D