Excellent analyse. Brompton: 1. Regular public transport commute. 2. Fits in the trunk of a micro car, like a Smart. 3. Can be taken on a plane as hand luggage. 4. Frequent heavy use. 5. Long lasting. Zizzo and other affordable folding bikes: 1. Infrequent use. 2. Fits into the trunk of regular car. 3. Great for the camping/ RV/ mobile home. 4. Affordable price.
@@b.griffin317 Bromptons DO BREAK from time to time. There is this one YT channel whose content creator owns a 6-speed Brompton and he stated that he has had to replace hinge pieces and other parts. He is a dedicated folding bike commuter, but he wanted another bike to take off the wear and tear on his $2K Brompton. He got of all things, a Zizzo.
@@edwardwongiii2229 You are talking about Brian AKA ibikeunfolded. Well the guys a maniac on a bike. Rides like a 1000 miles a week. So yeah a bikes an endangered species under his behind.
I own a Zizzo Forte and I’m 300lbs and 6ft tall. I used some of that 4 times extra cash and upgraded part of the drivetrain, switched to trigger shifters, got quick release pedals, new bags for the handlebars and behind the seat, better grips and seat, a good bell, and now it’s damn near bulletproof. I also have about $2000 left over. I guarantee I will be ridding my Zizzo for years to come. Also, when you know how to do it, it folds extremely quickly and I can put it damn near anywhere.
I agree on the fold in this video to me the brimstone actually seems to have more steps. I’m a zizzo owner and to me the folding is quite intuitive. I live in NYC I’ve done urban commutes and off road riding. Zizzo handled both well and I have taken it on the subway both folded and unfolded with no issues.
Nice look at two different choices in the folding bike market. I get the feeling you are defending your Brompton. Haha If you don’t mind riding on 16” wheels and won’t feel guilty about spending the cash get a Brompton. The additional cost buys you a well-designed bike with higher quality components. The Brompton is smaller and a pound or two lighter. If you prefer the increased performance of 20” wheels and don’t mind paying for that with a slightly bigger package get a Zizzo. The cost savings will allow you to earn interest (lol) and upgrade components anytime. The Zizzo Forte that you’ve compared has a frame designed to carry up to 300 pounds, compared to Brompton’s 242. So if a stouter frame and higher payload is important again buy the Zizzo. Serious riders will also scrutinize gear ratios and consider the availability of parts. If you are the type of person who will worry about the theft or damage to an expensive bike get the Zizzo. If you honestly don’t care about pros/cons and simply want the Brompton because you think it is cool, that is reason enough_ buy a Brompton. Unless you have higher priorities for expenditures then we are back to the Zizzo. !?
The difference in 10 seconds of folding effort is notable but in a way kind of sad. But you have the Brompton fold wired, it would take me twice that long. I really do appreciate the side by side look at these bikes. Plus I like the mother/daughter talent :) Nice job -it's a like from me
Great video comparison. I was on the fence between the Brompton and Zizzo when looking for folding bikes and ultimately chose the Zizzo. I agree that it depends on the rider and kind of riding you intend on doing. The Zizzo Urbana works great for me because it weighs 24lbs, it packs small in the car (especially when the car is loaded with camping gear), and its great for riding off road and hike/bike trails. It climbs well and rides over roots and rocks with ease. It really is a 'fun bike' lol. I primarily use it for camping trips and riding trails - it's quite a tough little bike! The 1st couple tries at folding the Zizzo seemed a bit awkward, but after that, its pretty quick and simple. Another great reason was the price at under $400 with using a discount coupon. I loved the folding bike idea so much that I also got a Kespor Thunderbolt for road cycling. I bet the Brompton is a really nice bike, but two great folding bikes for under $1000 won my vote.
I have owned traditional folding bikes and as of lately, I own a brompton bike. I love both folding styles. Bromptom is obviously more compact when folded but it by no means is easier to fold than the traditional folding bikes. It has to do with practice. You can fold and unfold your brompton much more easily if you are already used to it and the same goes with the other bikes. Gotta say though, I love both.
Have both of these. Brompton is the best fold, no question about it but Zizzo has the greatest bang for your buck. It makes for a great winter bike as to not damage the Brompton. Great video as always!
I thought maybe the Zizzo would be a good winter bike because it has an aluminum (rustproof) frame, but so does my Strida and the fold on it is much easier. Still, you make an excellent point! If one needs a cheaper folding bike with a rustproof frame to save the Brompton from road salt, the Zizzo is a good option.
After only one day of owning my ZiZZO I could fold/unfold it just as fast as you did the Brompton. It stays in the trunk of my sedan and I can lift it out and unfold and be riding in less than a minute. It actually has fewer actions to make it fold than the Brompton. And the price? Its not just a good price for a folding bike... Its a good price for a bicycle PERIOD. It is in the same price range as the crappy bikes from the big box stores and IMO is better quality than most of them... even with the cheaper shifter and gear sets. Its the best bike Ive ever owned. Maybe the Brompton is better... but it should be... It costs as much as a used car. 🤷
@@patreekotime4578 Hmm, you got lucky then, quick Google search of used cars shows a tooootalllly different picture.. you can get around 20 bromptons or more for the average used car price….
Zizzo now sells a special rear rack that has suitcase like wheels facing the rear. It fits all Zizzo bikes. Basically you fold the bike and tilt it onto the rack wheels. Then you can roll the folded bike around like the bromp. It also takes up less floor space when standing on the rack wheels.
I have an e bike, but I want something to that I don't have to worry about, while it sits outside in the rain at work. I think this might be a good fit.
I had Dahon for few years, love it, although it folds small, not as small as Brompton. Now I have both Dahon and Brompton, love both, but with Brompton I am now cycling more as it is very easy to take everywhere. nice video
I am thinking of these 2 bikes. How do you compare overall quality and quality of components? I’ve read lot of issues with Brampton components. Thank you.
@@jawjuh1005 I didn’t use it long enough to have any problems, so far so good. At least with Brompton (well it depends where you are) easy to find parts etc. best wishes
@@jawjuh1005 Brompton components are high quality, but you have to be wary of aftermarket parts that are not made by Brompton. These can be flashy but low quality. The only exception is Ti Parts - those are solid.
Zizzo folds easily and small, actually. You just didn't do it right. If you do it correctly, it folds in 30 seconds. I don't own either, but can tell from everyone else's reviews.
I own a couple of Dahon folding bikes and they're just fine for my purposes. HOWEVER, if I were flying internationally and having to take the bike in/out of hotels, on trains and planes, I'd definitely purchase a Brompton which can conveniently fit into a carry-on suitcase and - in a folding bag - can be taken on to any means of transport - HUGE advantage to Brompton in this respect.
have a zizzo Urbano and it works for my purposes of just biking around on the weekends. I'd love to get the electric Brompton, but just can't justify the 5-6k CAD cost.... well for now anyway 😉
Yeah… you’ve used and folded your brompton many times. And the Zizzo? Once. Practice and I fold mine in under 2 mins Big reason I bought a Zizzo Is the model I bought can hold an extra 30 or 40 pounds and I use mine for a bike pack. 210 pounds of muscle hi Carrie I can’t a weeks worth of food my sleeping bag everything else I need for a week. I can’t find what the load rate limit is for the Brompton but most bikes cannot be used on backpacking bikes or they would just break in half. In defense of Brompton, and most folding bikes they’re made to be a light so you can use them as a commuter mine is a road/trail go anywhere do anything bike and carry anything you want with it.
Under 2 minutes? That's not fast. Also, people do bikepack with Bromptons. The internet is full of adventurous people biking around the world on a Brompton, none of which have broken in half. But everyone has their own different needs in a bicycle. The Brompton isn't perfect for everyone, and that's fine! If the Zizzo works for you, great!
It’s only when I see how other bikes fold that I appreciate the genius of Brompton’s design. Plus good luck getting that other bike on a bus or train. Perhaps that’s slightly unfair as it’s clearly not designed as a commuter bike… Brompton’s hold their value - just look at second hand prices. Plus they’re durable - plenty of people using 20+ year old ones in London. No mean feat considering the rough life many of them lead. Plus as a manufacturer Brompton aren’t going anywhere. You need a spare part in 5 years, you can be confident it will be available. The ride on those wheels takes a bit of getting used to but it’s nippy and very fast off the mark. Perfect for the city..,
Excellent points! The Bromptons do hold their value extremely well and last a lifetime if you want them too. I plan to ride my Brompton for the next two decades at least! :D
I recently purchased a Zizzo Via folding bike and I purchased a Brompton A line folding bike online today. The Zizzo comes with a 1 year warranty on parts and a lifetime warranty on the frame. I'm not familiar with the warranty on my Brompton bike because I haven't researched it yet nor have I received it to read about it in the manual. I will have different riding functions for both my Zizzo and Brompton bikes. I also owned a unknown brand single speed folding bike for over 10 years now and that bike just keeps going, going and going. I have a specific function for that bike as well.
I like my brompton due to 3 folding mechanism.. but ride quality is poor due to 16" small wheel and only has 6 speed and heavy for small bike My 20" XDS folding bike with 451mm wheelset is much superior ride quality equipped with shimano ultegra 11×2 speed.. Folding factor is not a important point for me.. as I always parked my bike unfolded at home unless going to the car or public transport.
I have both bikes in the lightweight models Zizzo Liberte and Brompton P-line and bags that interchange Zizzo is cool that way. Brompton always comes in with me, if necessary Zizzo can go on the bus rack or be locked outside briefly. Love both for different reasons, i use the Brompton more at 72 y.o. they're for my mobility.
Very nice video and easy comparison. I'm on the fence for folding bike to take it on Go train. 20 inch wheels typical folding bike like Zizzo seems to be too big for it to be able to sit not just by the doors where bikes spot is.
It's true, there's not much room by the seats in a GoTrain, and most bikes, even folders like the Zizzo, must go by the doors. The Brompton's smaller folded size means it can just fit beside one's seat.
I have nothing but awe and respect (and worry about their sanity?) for people who ride around the world on a Brompton, the least possible suitable bike for that purpose. The most I do with mine is my 22-mile round commute trip on mostly tarmac. And it feels hard work enough although I fitted 11-speed gearing to it 😅
It depends what kind of touring one is doing. If you're cycling 100kms a day on bumpy back roads, a Brompton wouldn't be great. But 70kms/day on mostly paved surfaces, interspersed with a train or bus ride, and the Brompton is an excellent travel bike. :)
If you just want a chill ride and have the money go for a brompton, but if you want to ride a little bit faster go for a 20inch wheel folding bike with at least 8 speed cogs and 54t chainring.
Fun fact - my Brompton has a 54t chainring! And it goes very fast. The gears in the internal hub make all the difference. People expect the Brompton to be slow, but it's the fastest folding bike I've ever ridden, much faster than the Zizzo. Of course, one could change the gears on the Zizzo to make go faster too.
@@bromptoning yeah it can be fast by changing the chain ring but going fast on a 16inch wheel folding bike can be risky. Its design more to be a bimodal bike, just going from point A to B. If you really want to go fast just buy a roadbike.
@Art of Hookie What a bunch of BS. Bicycle racers cannot go 50mph on a race bike. You go 50mph on a 16" folding bike? Haha. You should change your handle to art of conman.
Maybe you should read the instructions on how to fold the bike before doing it for the first time and then comparing it to one you've folded probably 100 times. That comparison sucked.
This was exactly the video I needed. I'm still on the fence. Bike theft is fairly common in my area so I'm not sure I really want to risk that with a Brompton. I am probably somewhere in between casual and heavier commuter though. So I'm not sure the annoyances of the Zizzo will be tolerable when I'm trying to catch the lightrail.
Bike theft is terrible in our city too, but because the Brompton folds so small, I always take it inside with me where the thieves can't get it. Generally, people don't leave their Bromptons outside. I take my Brompton inside at work, school, restaurants, stores, the gym, dentist office, etc. I've even coat-checked my Brompton at museums and art galleries. In the rare instance that someone says I can't bring a folded Brompton into their establishment, I ask if strollers (which are significantly larger than my folded bike) are allowed. That usually settles the matter and they let me in. And Bromptons are best on trains, like having a tiny rolling suitcase with you, whereas the Zizzo is more like a full-sized suitcase that's so big it needs to go in a luggage area. And, of course, the Brompton's fold is fast and easy. Definitely a winner for commuters of all types!
@@bromptoning That's absolutely genius asking if strollers are allowed. I'll keep that in mind. I decided to go with the Zizzo for now but in a few years, I'll def be getting a Brompton. I will probably be locking my bike up like normal but being able to store the bike in my car at least is a huge advantage.
@@katecone2295 I finished the video and noticed that you already gave the answer for my question ;) I missed just the bikes folded side by side. Considering that you said, I'm again on the fence with Dahon, that has better components and has very good reviews as the Marine D8 ($949) Anyway, you look lovely and your mom amazing :)
On the other hand, what about pannier bags (even small ones, but at least to flip a lock because, let's be honest, inside a supermarket we don't want to carry the bike in one hand all the time)... Also, space when folded, yes, but convenience? Standard folding bikes can be packed in 3 clicks, while the Brommie needs all that spinning two screws all the time... (admittedly, won't take ages nor a big effort, ok but still)... I'm in Italy now and there's this kind of niche infatuation for the Brompton (as an icon of "British style", although one may really not just love the long 'hump' frame), but in my past uk years, in wet weather, i did spot more than one Brommie partially or totally rusted (vs alloy...). And, the weird 18 inches format (not like one finds tyre spares in every shop, but again, classy niche or... just lack of practicality? :) ) and other proprietary components I guess... When unfolded it is still a small bike. From 20" inches upwards it gets closer to a standard bike concept. And about durability too - questionable as i've been using my dawes jack (english version of the dahon roo, a classic) for 12 years now (commuting etc.) and doesnt fail. Can't say about the Zizzo in particular but there are similar good standard folders out there for like 400 usd... at least in Europe. For the same price of a Brompton one may then get a proper fast folding bike and even keep up, or beat, roadies (Khs Mocha, Dahon Vector's, Terne Verge etc.) The video is very agreeable, I was curious about the comparison. Just saying, happy to change my mind! Actually sometimes I brwose for Brompton reviews for any update, but couldnt decide to get one so far. We'll see :)
Just a couple things to quickly clarify: 1. You don't have to carry the bike. When folded, it rolls along on the easy wheels (mini wheels on the back rack). 2. The wheels are 16", not 18". 16" is much more common, probably because of the popularity of the Brompton. Very easy to find lots of tire options for 16" wheels. 3. When unfolded, the Brompton is as long as a standard bike. This is because of the unique 3-part fold. Bikes that just fold in half have a shorter wheelbase, even though they may have 20" tires. Thus, the Brompton rides more like a full-sized bike than most folding bikes. 4. Rusted Bromptons - they are steel, so they can rust, but unless you're riding through salty streets (like winter in Canada), that doesn't happen. Beware that there are fake Bromptons out there that are the same shape but built with cheaper components. These could be the rusted bikes you saw. Anyhoo, I hope that clears a few things up!
@bromptoning sorry no trolling just discussing and comparing views, but i might well counter-reply to each point, your view is from North America, but from a global perspective (i was just checking around on folding bike updates and yt showed me this - it's reaching global viewers - i'm in Italy - and just sayin' for the record, myself. Happy to change views if that is the case btw) Then well, wheel/tire size: years ago Brommie tires were called 18" now they apparently are "16" but that's one of two etrto standards, 305 vs 349, and their 349 tires may be less common in europe, all i know is retailers recently confirmed me that only one brand, was it schwalbe, used to produce brompton tires. Not they're two, apparently... but many 16ers around have the 305 size, like the Dahon Curve D3 etc. But the main basic point is, you get a brilliant bike on its own, but then it's not like you can swap parts easily or fit standard parts on them. Same about hub gearings, they're common in the uk and maybe us, but not in europe and even less so in italy and elsewhere. Now you may reply that they stand the rain and require less maintenance, yes, but the time you wil need maintenance anyway, it'll be much harder to find competent staff in whole countries. I had a Sturmey Archer in Cambridge uk, they were so common there, and even so, the day that i needed it serviced, it was a struggle. Out of the uk, one may be even told to get a whole hub altogether. Saying this just cos like almost ALL other standard folding bikes have the goold old sprockets, hubs, etc. as even big city bikes. Easy as that. Same for the other points, (pushing the bike like a trolley? Yes and same on most folders for that too - but i was referring to leaving the bike outside shops, locked, and with panniers never unhooked even when folding it... convenience) Rust? i saw bromptons COMPLETELY covered in rust and i wasnt in canada, i was in the uk but in all europe when it snows we get a lot of salt on the streets. I see owners mentioning that on other such videos - not just me. And no, they werent copycat brommies. Yes peeps were still using them - and staining their clothes... I'd actually rather an alloy copycat one, if well specced. We have the A-taskbike from Cicli Casadei in Italy, have a look - it looks ok (and not just for free either - fair enough). But then it's like one may get a 16" standard folding bike (like the Dahon Curve) and have a fold as thin as 28 cm - we fit them on the upper "hat shelves" of trains. Then, the wheelbase - that's one good point. But when a standard 20er is sturdy and steady, that's good enough as well :) Sorry just saying that it's not like "omg the Brompton is fantastic and one step above the others", like most enthusiasts would have everyone believe too - not, it's still a personal choice with various limitations too for being so special. Not like you bump a wheel/hub or need spokes replaced but need to go to work so you may flip whatever folding bike wheel or even big bikes parts on it - no. You will then mostly need a special Brompton part. And even if they're so durable, they're still human... ...just like me :) not advertising, cheers :)
(and while having a good brunch, i've also had a quick check on latest Bromptons, like the "Black" edition... and they still all have 2 of the three points, to be screwed spinning the lever on and on, not just one click...)
Don’t have a zizzo but most folding bikes I’ve owned you. USA lower the seat post. It will act as a stand to stabilize the the bike when folding the bike.
Great analysis. Still love my MEC Origami because it has regular bike parts on it. Less proprietary. But Bromptons seem to be the best built. Were you wearing a folding helmet in this?
If you ride a lot you are going to wear out those expensive and difficult to source Brompton parts but most of the stuff on the zizzo looks pretty generic. Also bigger wheels are safer. Bromptons are a medieval cult.
You're right - the parts on the Zizzo are generic and cheap. But you're wrong about the Brompton - I ride a LOT and the parts are extremely high quality and do not wear out fast at all. For the first decade, I only needed to replace the chain and brake pads. After 10 years, I replaced the rims. And that's it for a bike I've ridden for tens of thousands of kilometres!
I have a giant folding bike. Can't understand why almost all folders fold to the left, and leave the drivetrain exposed. That's one brilliant thing the brompton does, the chain is sandwicheb between the two wheels when folded. Why not fold to the right...? Also can't understand why the typical folder has the wheel axle nuts on the front and rear wheels meet when folded. It makes the folded bike like 2 inches wider. If the hinge was moved just a it forward or back, the axle nuts wouldn't meet. Thats the essence of the populatity of the Brompton. They think out and resolve all these little issues. Whereas the zizzos and giants of the world just say sod it, get the thing out the door of the factory as fast as possible :)
No bike folds like a Brompton. Because of a bad knee from playing hockey, I had to sell my Bromie 😢 for an electric bike. I like that Zizzo bike of your moms. May I ask, please, what the width of the handlebars are? The wider, the more stable. Much mahalo. I hope your mom has a lot of fun her bike.
The handlebars are maybe a couple inches wider than the Brompton handlebars. And the Brompton does make an electric version now, so that's an option for people who need to give their knees a break. :)
@@bromptoning yes, and that electric version is worth looking into. I want something small like the Zizzo to ride around the neighborhood so I can exercise my knee and not be too far from home that I can’t walk the bike back, or better yet, call a friend for a ride home. 👍😊
Your demonstration of the bike folding is golden. I went to look at the Zizzo today, and I am glad I came across your video just before I left. I thought I knew what I was getting into. Boy was I wrong and you are right. The folding of the Zizzo was clumsy clumsy clumsy ! Now, the big question is, where am I going to find the extra $2,000 for the Brompton?
Our local Brompton dealer has financing options where you can pay monthly instalments over a year or two. Maybe you have local bike shop does that too? If not, when I bought the Brompton, I did the math - how much would it cost me to drive to work? How much to take transit? And I discovered commuting by Brompton paid for itself in less than a year. Not to mention, when we travel with our Bromptons, we never have to take taxis or rent cars. The bikes really keep the vacation costs down. :D
Thanks for the comparison. I would love to have seen the folded bikes side by side, discussion of dimensions, and weight. I'm also considering Bike Friday due to availability of parts and repairs. Do you have any experience with BF, likely New World Tourist?
Thanks for the question! We absolutely should have shown the bikes side-by-side, but we're new to this video-making thing and alas, we didn't. Next time! But here's the info... The Brompton and Zizzo weigh the same - about 27lbs. Folded, the Zizzo is 27" x 31" x 12.5", and the Brompton is 25.3'' x 23'' x 10.6'' -- so from those numbers you can tell that the Brompton is a much smaller package when folded. I haven't ridden a Bike Friday, but we met a couple traveling on two Bike Fridays on our first trip with our Bromptons in Cuba! Apparently, the Bike Friday ride is very comfortable, but it took them half an hour to pack the bikes in a suitcase for air travel. However, the new World Tourist model claims to be foldable in 30 seconds and looks like it folds in a similar fashion to the Zizzo. So, not as small or fast as a Brompton, but not like Bike Friday's old models which had to be partially disassembled to fit in the travel suitcase. Overall, since Bike Friday bikes are custom built, the quality should be higher than the Zizzo. Hope that helps!
@@bromptoning Thank you. I appreciate your detailed reply. Of course Zizzo build quality can’t be as good at that price point, and I think they are aluminum vs steel frame. But I may want entry folder for now, so this was a good comparison vid for me.
@@derkapellmeister Oh no, it's almost a 3 hour drive from Toronto and it's in the middle of nowhere. Definitely not worth the trip just for a little rail trail!
Hi was wondering what the weight difference is between the two bikes, i chose a brompton because its easier to lift (bad back) enjoyed the video Thanks x
A 6-speed Brompton and the Zizzo Via weight the same. A 3-speed or 2-speed Brompton would be a bit lighter. But the Brompton is much easier to carry, I find, because it folds much smaller. Glad you liked the video! :)
citizen toykoyo was fun but needed bigger tires, the Dahon was cool but seemed very basic, I like the Greenworks? but it is heavier than the others & I'm yet to try the Zizzo, I'm getting new shifters today!
She had trouble folding the Zizzo because she didn’t know how to do it, it folds easily and locks together. That wasn’t a comparison folding one she has experience with and one no experience with or knowledge about. A Zizzo isn’t a brompton but is great value for the price
I enjoy riding my zizzo urbano bike. Hands down I would purchase a zizzo bike over other competitors. Watch my video which compares the zizzo urban with other popular brands Schwinn and Brompton: th-cam.com/video/Kd_3b8KX74g/w-d-xo.html
My mom ordered it on Amazon. So you're correct - Zizzo bikes aren't sold in stores in Canada, but you can order them online from Amazon. And yes, brand new!
@@bromptoning Thanks so much for replying! Your video is 3.5 months old, so wanted to ask- - How is it holding up? - What is the exact price your mom ordered it for? - Even though it was bought online on Amazon, is there an applicable warranty that applies in Canada? - If yes, what is it? - If you can, please share the business your mom purchased the bike from on Amazon, since not all businneses are trustworthy. I feel like I'm being very demanding :) , hopefully you answer... Thanks anyway! :)
@@Ivandrago89 Hi there. I don't know the answer to all your questions. She bought the bike through Amazon, but I believe Zizzo itself distributes it. It wasn't a through bike shop. I'd check the Zizzo website for questions regarding their warranty. zizzo.bike/
I am glad you have a Brompton. If Columbia would had built folding bikes in a state like West Virginia, Columbia be still in business. I believe only Cannondale is left, but I do not know if they still build bicycles in the Allegheny mountains of Pennsylvania. I think I bought a folding bicycle made by political and religious prisoners in communist China. It looks I welded the bike with welding equipment sold by Harbor Freight Tools! Be careful when crossing the border if Harris becomes president!
You are just a brompton fan boy. Get a zizzo forte, spend $200 on new crankset and derailleur, and you are getting the same result with extra $2000 left on your pocket. And 20" vs 16", no thanks.
It won't be the same. No matter how much one upgrades the parts on the Zizzo, the fold is always going to be big and clunky. If a small fold isn't important to you, then the Zizzo will work fine. But the Bromptons have fans for good reason - they are excellent bicycles.
I have a Bike Friday with 20" wheels, a Chromoly frame and the thing is probably 20+ years old. No amount of upgrading a Zizzo frame will let it last that long or durably. I had a Zizzo and I encourage folks to go up to the Dahon because even that much of a step up in manufacturing is noticeable. The folks behind Zizzo are great folks, they clearly pay to upgrade their builds from Pacifica, but at the end of the day, it's a frame from the manufacturer of most cheap entry level bikes, aka Walmart bikes. If you're gonna want new components, why not get the frame to match?
@@williamko4751 You really think you're showing off your economic smarts? You're suggesting people drop a couple hundred on standard components for a decent bike to improve a cheap entry level bike chassis. I had to take my zizzo into the mechanic constantly and adjust it constantly on my own. I got my BF used and redid all the components back to BF specs for a grand total of $1K. On a frame that my mechanic said had a number of years left. It's only been back to the shop once--after I was hit by a car. If I bought new components and kept going back to the shop, I was looking at spending close to $800 on a zizzo for just that year! it still wouldn't ride as smooth as my Bike Friday. Sometimes you pay more upfront to pay less for the duration. That's economically smart. Now I'm a commuter so I want a bike that can do distance and dolong daily routes. A Zizzo is just not manufactured well enough for that. In fact, no entry level bike is. They are a waste of money if you know you're buying a means of transportation.
@@Kimberly_Sparkles i don't believe you for a second. You either abuse your bike or telling a fake story. I own three folding bikes for less than $500. Few of my friends own similar price range bike. Never had any problem except for regular maintenance.
Excellent analyse.
Brompton:
1. Regular public transport commute.
2. Fits in the trunk of a micro car, like a Smart.
3. Can be taken on a plane as hand luggage.
4. Frequent heavy use.
5. Long lasting.
Zizzo and other affordable folding bikes:
1. Infrequent use.
2. Fits into the trunk of regular car.
3. Great for the camping/ RV/ mobile home.
4. Affordable price.
You can buy 10 zizzo for 1 Brompton. If the zizzo breaks, you got 9 left. If your Brompton breaks, you won't be riding a bicycle .
Thing is the Brompton will never break. Advantage of a steel bike that's built like a tank.
@@b.griffin317 Bromptons DO BREAK from time to time. There is this one YT channel whose content creator owns a 6-speed Brompton and he stated that he has had to replace hinge pieces and other parts. He is a dedicated folding bike commuter, but he wanted another bike to take off the wear and tear on his $2K Brompton. He got of all things, a Zizzo.
I was also thinking, I can't leave a 1k-2k bike chained to a sidewalk cause it big lost if it gets stolen
@@edwardwongiii2229
You are talking about Brian AKA ibikeunfolded. Well the guys a maniac on a bike. Rides like a 1000 miles a week. So yeah a bikes an endangered species under his behind.
You can buy a Tern Verge X11. Nothing touches it. Fast. Destroys hills. And will last a lifetime.
I own a Zizzo Forte and I’m 300lbs and 6ft tall. I used some of that 4 times extra cash and upgraded part of the drivetrain, switched to trigger shifters, got quick release pedals, new bags for the handlebars and behind the seat, better grips and seat, a good bell, and now it’s damn near bulletproof. I also have about $2000 left over. I guarantee I will be ridding my Zizzo for years to come. Also, when you know how to do it, it folds extremely quickly and I can put it damn near anywhere.
Regarding "damn near anywhere", how about rush hour Go train?
do you have the list of parts you upgrade? planning to buy Zizzo Fortr as well.
I agree on the fold in this video to me the brimstone actually seems to have more steps. I’m a zizzo owner and to me the folding is quite intuitive. I live in NYC I’ve done urban commutes and off road riding. Zizzo handled both well and I have taken it on the subway both folded and unfolded with no issues.
@@lynneluvah thanks. I was wondering this. It's hard to get a sense of the volume and how polite it could be on public transport.
Check the Forte 2023. The list is close to that. I did put trigger shift on it and much better grips.
20" wheels are always better than 16" ... plus you save a lot of money getting the Zizzo!
2:12 ... Ops, you were not used to Zizzo folding, so it is not fair to compare it with a bike you already know well!
Nice look at two different choices in the folding bike market. I get the feeling you are defending your Brompton. Haha
If you don’t mind riding on 16” wheels and won’t feel guilty about spending the cash get a Brompton. The additional cost buys you a well-designed bike with higher quality components. The Brompton is smaller and a pound or two lighter.
If you prefer the increased performance of 20” wheels and don’t mind paying for that with a slightly bigger package get a Zizzo. The cost savings will allow you to earn interest (lol) and upgrade components anytime. The Zizzo Forte that you’ve compared has a frame designed to carry up to 300 pounds, compared to Brompton’s 242. So if a stouter frame and higher payload is important again buy the Zizzo.
Serious riders will also scrutinize gear ratios and consider the availability of parts.
If you are the type of person who will worry about the theft or damage to an expensive bike get the Zizzo. If you honestly don’t care about pros/cons and simply want the Brompton because you think it is cool, that is reason enough_ buy a Brompton. Unless you have higher priorities for expenditures then we are back to the Zizzo. !?
The difference in 10 seconds of folding effort is notable but in a way kind of sad. But you have the Brompton fold wired, it would take me twice that long.
I really do appreciate the side by side look at these bikes. Plus I like the mother/daughter talent :)
Nice job -it's a like from me
Great video comparison. I was on the fence between the Brompton and Zizzo when looking for folding bikes and ultimately chose the Zizzo. I agree that it depends on the rider and kind of riding you intend on doing. The Zizzo Urbana works great for me because it weighs 24lbs, it packs small in the car (especially when the car is loaded with camping gear), and its great for riding off road and hike/bike trails. It climbs well and rides over roots and rocks with ease. It really is a 'fun bike' lol. I primarily use it for camping trips and riding trails - it's quite a tough little bike! The 1st couple tries at folding the Zizzo seemed a bit awkward, but after that, its pretty quick and simple. Another great reason was the price at under $400 with using a discount coupon. I loved the folding bike idea so much that I also got a Kespor Thunderbolt for road cycling. I bet the Brompton is a really nice bike, but two great folding bikes for under $1000 won my vote.
I have owned traditional folding bikes and as of lately, I own a brompton bike. I love both folding styles. Bromptom is obviously more compact when folded but it by no means is easier to fold than the traditional folding bikes. It has to do with practice. You can fold and unfold your brompton much more easily if you are already used to it and the same goes with the other bikes. Gotta say though, I love both.
Have both of these. Brompton is the best fold, no question about it but Zizzo has the greatest bang for your buck. It makes for a great winter bike as to not damage the Brompton. Great video as always!
I thought maybe the Zizzo would be a good winter bike because it has an aluminum (rustproof) frame, but so does my Strida and the fold on it is much easier. Still, you make an excellent point! If one needs a cheaper folding bike with a rustproof frame to save the Brompton from road salt, the Zizzo is a good option.
After only one day of owning my ZiZZO I could fold/unfold it just as fast as you did the Brompton. It stays in the trunk of my sedan and I can lift it out and unfold and be riding in less than a minute. It actually has fewer actions to make it fold than the Brompton. And the price? Its not just a good price for a folding bike... Its a good price for a bicycle PERIOD. It is in the same price range as the crappy bikes from the big box stores and IMO is better quality than most of them... even with the cheaper shifter and gear sets. Its the best bike Ive ever owned. Maybe the Brompton is better... but it should be... It costs as much as a used car. 🤷
Base Brompton is around 1100 usd. Don't think that will buy you a car.
@@PRH123 That's literally exactly what my last car cost. People who own multithousand dollar bicycles are completely out of touch with reality.
@@patreekotime4578 Hmm, you got lucky then, quick Google search of used cars shows a tooootalllly different picture.. you can get around 20 bromptons or more for the average used car price….
Zizzo now sells a special rear rack that has suitcase like wheels facing the rear. It fits all Zizzo bikes. Basically you fold the bike and tilt it onto the rack wheels. Then you can roll the folded bike around like the bromp. It also takes up less floor space when standing on the rack wheels.
I have an e bike, but I want something to that I don't have to worry about, while it sits outside in the rain at work.
I think this might be a good fit.
I want to upgrade to a Brompton when my zizzo dies, but it won't freaking die. Also, the fold on the zizzo is pretty fast when you get used to it.
Brompton wins the folding contest? It didn’t look any simpler.
I had Dahon for few years, love it, although it folds small, not as small as Brompton. Now I have both Dahon and Brompton, love both, but with Brompton I am now cycling more as it is very easy to take everywhere. nice video
Cycling more is the best part! :D
I am thinking of these 2 bikes. How do you compare overall quality and quality of components? I’ve read lot of issues with Brampton components. Thank you.
@@jawjuh1005 I didn’t use it long enough to have any problems, so far so good. At least with Brompton (well it depends where you are) easy to find parts etc. best wishes
@@jawjuh1005 Brompton components are high quality, but you have to be wary of aftermarket parts that are not made by Brompton. These can be flashy but low quality. The only exception is Ti Parts - those are solid.
Zizzo folds easily and small, actually. You just didn't do it right. If you do it correctly, it folds in 30 seconds. I don't own either, but can tell from everyone else's reviews.
Honest review. I am a casual rider so I have the Zizzo. If I rode a lot more the Brompton makes more sense. Great review.....thank you.
I own a couple of Dahon folding bikes and they're just fine for my purposes. HOWEVER, if I were flying internationally and having to take the bike in/out of hotels, on trains and planes, I'd definitely purchase a Brompton which can conveniently fit into a carry-on suitcase and - in a folding bag - can be taken on to any means of transport - HUGE advantage to Brompton in this respect.
100%! Compact travel is the Brompton's big advantage.
have a zizzo Urbano and it works for my purposes of just biking around on the weekends. I'd love to get the electric Brompton, but just can't justify the 5-6k CAD cost.... well for now anyway 😉
I own a Zukka (no name). I jump stairs with it almost every day for the past couple years. It still did not break. It cost me $270
Yeah… you’ve used and folded your brompton many times. And the Zizzo? Once. Practice and I fold mine in under 2 mins
Big reason I bought a Zizzo Is the model I bought can hold an extra 30 or 40 pounds and I use mine for a bike pack. 210 pounds of muscle hi Carrie I can’t a weeks worth of food my sleeping bag everything else I need for a week. I can’t find what the load rate limit is for the Brompton but most bikes cannot be used on backpacking bikes or they would just break in half. In defense of Brompton, and most folding bikes they’re made to be a light so you can use them as a commuter mine is a road/trail go anywhere do anything bike and carry anything you want with it.
Under 2 minutes? That's not fast. Also, people do bikepack with Bromptons. The internet is full of adventurous people biking around the world on a Brompton, none of which have broken in half. But everyone has their own different needs in a bicycle. The Brompton isn't perfect for everyone, and that's fine! If the Zizzo works for you, great!
It’s only when I see how other bikes fold that I appreciate the genius of Brompton’s design. Plus good luck getting that other bike on a bus or train. Perhaps that’s slightly unfair as it’s clearly not designed as a commuter bike…
Brompton’s hold their value - just look at second hand prices. Plus they’re durable - plenty of people using 20+ year old ones in London. No mean feat considering the rough life many of them lead.
Plus as a manufacturer Brompton aren’t going anywhere. You need a spare part in 5 years, you can be confident it will be available.
The ride on those wheels takes a bit of getting used to but it’s nippy and very fast off the mark. Perfect for the city..,
Excellent points! The Bromptons do hold their value extremely well and last a lifetime if you want them too. I plan to ride my Brompton for the next two decades at least! :D
It the zizzo breaks just buy another zizzo.
I recently purchased a Zizzo Via folding bike and I purchased a Brompton A line folding bike online today. The Zizzo comes with a 1 year warranty on parts and a lifetime warranty on the frame. I'm not familiar with the warranty on my Brompton bike because I haven't researched it yet nor have I received it to read about it in the manual. I will have different riding functions for both my Zizzo and Brompton bikes. I also owned a unknown brand single speed folding bike for over 10 years now and that bike just keeps going, going and going. I have a specific function for that bike as well.
Enjoy your new bikes!
I like my brompton due to 3 folding mechanism.. but ride quality is poor due to 16" small wheel and only has 6 speed and heavy for small bike
My 20" XDS folding bike with 451mm wheelset is much superior ride quality equipped with shimano ultegra 11×2 speed..
Folding factor is not a important point for me.. as I always parked my bike unfolded at home unless going to the car or public transport.
Sounds like you have the right bike for you!
16in tires/tubes are hard to find in Latin America; my second attempt was much smoother with a Dahon boardwalk 20in, no problem with flying and busing
That's too bad that 16" tires/tubes are hard to find in Latin America. But glad you found a folding bike that works for you!
I have both bikes in the lightweight models Zizzo Liberte and Brompton P-line and bags that interchange Zizzo is cool that way. Brompton always comes in with me, if necessary Zizzo can go on the bus rack or be locked outside briefly. Love both for different reasons, i use the Brompton more at 72 y.o. they're for my mobility.
Exactly! Different bikes for different reasons. But no matter what, they're a great mobility device. 😃
Very nice video and easy comparison. I'm on the fence for folding bike to take it on Go train. 20 inch wheels typical folding bike like Zizzo seems to be too big for it to be able to sit not just by the doors where bikes spot is.
It's true, there's not much room by the seats in a GoTrain, and most bikes, even folders like the Zizzo, must go by the doors. The Brompton's smaller folded size means it can just fit beside one's seat.
I have nothing but awe and respect (and worry about their sanity?) for people who ride around the world on a Brompton, the least possible suitable bike for that purpose. The most I do with mine is my 22-mile round commute trip on mostly tarmac. And it feels hard work enough although I fitted 11-speed gearing to it 😅
It depends what kind of touring one is doing. If you're cycling 100kms a day on bumpy back roads, a Brompton wouldn't be great. But 70kms/day on mostly paved surfaces, interspersed with a train or bus ride, and the Brompton is an excellent travel bike. :)
If you just want a chill ride and have the money go for a brompton, but if you want to ride a little bit faster go for a 20inch wheel folding bike with at least 8 speed cogs and 54t chainring.
Fun fact - my Brompton has a 54t chainring! And it goes very fast. The gears in the internal hub make all the difference. People expect the Brompton to be slow, but it's the fastest folding bike I've ever ridden, much faster than the Zizzo. Of course, one could change the gears on the Zizzo to make go faster too.
@@bromptoning yeah it can be fast by changing the chain ring but going fast on a 16inch wheel folding bike can be risky. Its design more to be a bimodal bike, just going from point A to B. If you really want to go fast just buy a roadbike.
@Art of Hookie What a bunch of BS. Bicycle racers cannot go 50mph on a race bike. You go 50mph on a 16" folding bike? Haha. You should change your handle to art of conman.
@Art of Hookie i rode down from mt Everest and hit 100mph on my tricycle.
Go check out tour de France down hill section speed then get back to me.
I appreciate your short and to the point video. Thank you.
Maybe you should read the instructions on how to fold the bike before doing it for the first time and then comparing it to one you've folded probably 100 times. That comparison sucked.
This was exactly the video I needed. I'm still on the fence. Bike theft is fairly common in my area so I'm not sure I really want to risk that with a Brompton. I am probably somewhere in between casual and heavier commuter though. So I'm not sure the annoyances of the Zizzo will be tolerable when I'm trying to catch the lightrail.
Bike theft is terrible in our city too, but because the Brompton folds so small, I always take it inside with me where the thieves can't get it. Generally, people don't leave their Bromptons outside. I take my Brompton inside at work, school, restaurants, stores, the gym, dentist office, etc. I've even coat-checked my Brompton at museums and art galleries. In the rare instance that someone says I can't bring a folded Brompton into their establishment, I ask if strollers (which are significantly larger than my folded bike) are allowed. That usually settles the matter and they let me in. And Bromptons are best on trains, like having a tiny rolling suitcase with you, whereas the Zizzo is more like a full-sized suitcase that's so big it needs to go in a luggage area. And, of course, the Brompton's fold is fast and easy. Definitely a winner for commuters of all types!
@@bromptoning That's absolutely genius asking if strollers are allowed. I'll keep that in mind. I decided to go with the Zizzo for now but in a few years, I'll def be getting a Brompton. I will probably be locking my bike up like normal but being able to store the bike in my car at least is a huge advantage.
@@katecone2295 Do you think will be problematic to take a bus daily with this Zizzo? :/ (I was looking for Dahon when noticed this Zizzo )
@@katecone2295 I finished the video and noticed that you already gave the answer for my question ;) I missed just the bikes folded side by side. Considering that you said, I'm again on the fence with Dahon, that has better components and has very good reviews as the Marine D8 ($949) Anyway, you look lovely and your mom amazing :)
Or buy a Mobot. It’s a Brampton knock off for half the price.
On the other hand, what about pannier bags (even small ones, but at least to flip a lock because, let's be honest, inside a supermarket we don't want to carry the bike in one hand all the time)...
Also, space when folded, yes, but convenience? Standard folding bikes can be packed in 3 clicks, while the Brommie needs all that spinning two screws all the time... (admittedly, won't take ages nor a big effort, ok but still)...
I'm in Italy now and there's this kind of niche infatuation for the Brompton (as an icon of "British style", although one may really not just love the long 'hump' frame), but in my past uk years, in wet weather, i did spot more than one Brommie partially or totally rusted (vs alloy...).
And, the weird 18 inches format (not like one finds tyre spares in every shop, but again, classy niche or... just lack of practicality? :) ) and other proprietary components I guess...
When unfolded it is still a small bike. From 20" inches upwards it gets closer to a standard bike concept.
And about durability too - questionable as i've been using my dawes jack (english version of the dahon roo, a classic) for 12 years now (commuting etc.) and doesnt fail.
Can't say about the Zizzo in particular but there are similar good standard folders out there for like 400 usd... at least in Europe.
For the same price of a Brompton one may then get a proper fast folding bike and even keep up, or beat, roadies (Khs Mocha, Dahon Vector's, Terne Verge etc.)
The video is very agreeable, I was curious about the comparison. Just saying, happy to change my mind!
Actually sometimes I brwose for Brompton reviews for any update, but couldnt decide to get one so far. We'll see :)
Just a couple things to quickly clarify:
1. You don't have to carry the bike. When folded, it rolls along on the easy wheels (mini wheels on the back rack).
2. The wheels are 16", not 18". 16" is much more common, probably because of the popularity of the Brompton. Very easy to find lots of tire options for 16" wheels.
3. When unfolded, the Brompton is as long as a standard bike. This is because of the unique 3-part fold. Bikes that just fold in half have a shorter wheelbase, even though they may have 20" tires. Thus, the Brompton rides more like a full-sized bike than most folding bikes.
4. Rusted Bromptons - they are steel, so they can rust, but unless you're riding through salty streets (like winter in Canada), that doesn't happen. Beware that there are fake Bromptons out there that are the same shape but built with cheaper components. These could be the rusted bikes you saw.
Anyhoo, I hope that clears a few things up!
@bromptoning sorry no trolling just discussing and comparing views, but i might well counter-reply to each point, your view is from North America, but from a global perspective (i was just checking around on folding bike updates and yt showed me this - it's reaching global viewers - i'm in Italy - and just sayin' for the record, myself. Happy to change views if that is the case btw)
Then well, wheel/tire size: years ago Brommie tires were called 18" now they apparently are "16" but that's one of two etrto standards, 305 vs 349, and their 349 tires may be less common in europe, all i know is retailers recently confirmed me that only one brand, was it schwalbe, used to produce brompton tires. Not they're two, apparently... but many 16ers around have the 305 size, like the Dahon Curve D3 etc.
But the main basic point is, you get a brilliant bike on its own, but then it's not like you can swap parts easily or fit standard parts on them. Same about hub gearings, they're common in the uk and maybe us, but not in europe and even less so in italy and elsewhere. Now you may reply that they stand the rain and require less maintenance, yes, but the time you wil need maintenance anyway, it'll be much harder to find competent staff in whole countries. I had a Sturmey Archer in Cambridge uk, they were so common there, and even so, the day that i needed it serviced, it was a struggle.
Out of the uk, one may be even told to get a whole hub altogether.
Saying this just cos like almost ALL other standard folding bikes have the goold old sprockets, hubs, etc. as even big city bikes. Easy as that.
Same for the other points, (pushing the bike like a trolley? Yes and same on most folders for that too - but i was referring to leaving the bike outside shops, locked, and with panniers never unhooked even when folding it... convenience)
Rust? i saw bromptons COMPLETELY covered in rust and i wasnt in canada, i was in the uk but in all europe when it snows we get a lot of salt on the streets.
I see owners mentioning that on other such videos - not just me. And no, they werent copycat brommies. Yes peeps were still using them - and staining their clothes...
I'd actually rather an alloy copycat one, if well specced. We have the A-taskbike from Cicli Casadei in Italy, have a look - it looks ok (and not just for free either - fair enough). But then it's like one may get a 16" standard folding bike (like the Dahon Curve) and have a fold as thin as 28 cm - we fit them on the upper "hat shelves" of trains.
Then, the wheelbase - that's one good point. But when a standard 20er is sturdy and steady, that's good enough as well :)
Sorry just saying that it's not like "omg the Brompton is fantastic and one step above the others", like most enthusiasts would have everyone believe too - not, it's still a personal choice with various limitations too for being so special. Not like you bump a wheel/hub or need spokes replaced but need to go to work so you may flip whatever folding bike wheel or even big bikes parts on it - no. You will then mostly need a special Brompton part. And even if they're so durable, they're still human...
...just like me :) not advertising, cheers :)
(and while having a good brunch, i've also had a quick check on latest Bromptons, like the "Black" edition... and they still all have 2 of the three points, to be screwed spinning the lever on and on, not just one click...)
Don’t have a zizzo but most folding bikes I’ve owned you. USA lower the seat post. It will act as a stand to stabilize the the bike when folding the bike.
great review! thank you!
If your fat zizzo (rated for 300lbs) if your skinny brompton (rated for only 246 lbs)… I’m fat fyi.
Thank you very much! I enjoyed this cute video with mom and daughter. Very nice and informative.
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks so much for the nice comment. ☺
@@bromptoning You are very welcome. ☺
Will be riding one of these
Great analysis. Still love my MEC Origami because it has regular bike parts on it. Less proprietary. But Bromptons seem to be the best built. Were you wearing a folding helmet in this?
Yes, I am wearing a folding helmet! It's a Closca. :)
$250 vs $2k , 3 minutes in and you showed me that a Brompton folds better. Wow, I am ****ING SHOCKED.
If you ride a lot you are going to wear out those expensive and difficult to source Brompton parts but most of the stuff on the zizzo looks pretty generic. Also bigger wheels are safer. Bromptons are a medieval cult.
You're right - the parts on the Zizzo are generic and cheap. But you're wrong about the Brompton - I ride a LOT and the parts are extremely high quality and do not wear out fast at all. For the first decade, I only needed to replace the chain and brake pads. After 10 years, I replaced the rims. And that's it for a bike I've ridden for tens of thousands of kilometres!
I have a giant folding bike. Can't understand why almost all folders fold to the left, and leave the drivetrain exposed. That's one brilliant thing the brompton does, the chain is sandwicheb between the two wheels when folded. Why not fold to the right...?
Also can't understand why the typical folder has the wheel axle nuts on the front and rear wheels meet when folded. It makes the folded bike like 2 inches wider. If the hinge was moved just a it forward or back, the axle nuts wouldn't meet.
Thats the essence of the populatity of the Brompton. They think out and resolve all these little issues. Whereas the zizzos and giants of the world just say sod it, get the thing out the door of the factory as fast as possible :)
True! Other folding bikes are soooo wide!
No bike folds like a Brompton. Because of a bad knee from playing hockey, I had to sell my Bromie 😢 for an electric bike. I like that Zizzo bike of your moms. May I ask, please, what the width of the handlebars are? The wider, the more stable. Much mahalo. I hope your mom has a lot of fun her bike.
The handlebars are maybe a couple inches wider than the Brompton handlebars. And the Brompton does make an electric version now, so that's an option for people who need to give their knees a break. :)
@@bromptoning yes, and that electric version is worth looking into. I want something small like the Zizzo to ride around the neighborhood so I can exercise my knee and not be too far from home that I can’t walk the bike back, or better yet, call a friend for a ride home. 👍😊
Your demonstration of the bike folding is golden. I went to look at the Zizzo today, and I am glad I came across your video just before I left. I thought I knew what I was getting into. Boy was I wrong and you are right. The folding of the Zizzo was clumsy clumsy clumsy ! Now, the big question is, where am I going to find the extra $2,000 for the Brompton?
Our local Brompton dealer has financing options where you can pay monthly instalments over a year or two. Maybe you have local bike shop does that too? If not, when I bought the Brompton, I did the math - how much would it cost me to drive to work? How much to take transit? And I discovered commuting by Brompton paid for itself in less than a year. Not to mention, when we travel with our Bromptons, we never have to take taxis or rent cars. The bikes really keep the vacation costs down. :D
Thanks for the comparison. I would love to have seen the folded bikes side by side, discussion of dimensions, and weight. I'm also considering Bike Friday due to availability of parts and repairs. Do you have any experience with BF, likely New World Tourist?
Thanks for the question! We absolutely should have shown the bikes side-by-side, but we're new to this video-making thing and alas, we didn't. Next time! But here's the info... The Brompton and Zizzo weigh the same - about 27lbs. Folded, the Zizzo is 27" x 31" x 12.5", and the Brompton is 25.3'' x 23'' x 10.6'' -- so from those numbers you can tell that the Brompton is a much smaller package when folded. I haven't ridden a Bike Friday, but we met a couple traveling on two Bike Fridays on our first trip with our Bromptons in Cuba! Apparently, the Bike Friday ride is very comfortable, but it took them half an hour to pack the bikes in a suitcase for air travel. However, the new World Tourist model claims to be foldable in 30 seconds and looks like it folds in a similar fashion to the Zizzo. So, not as small or fast as a Brompton, but not like Bike Friday's old models which had to be partially disassembled to fit in the travel suitcase. Overall, since Bike Friday bikes are custom built, the quality should be higher than the Zizzo. Hope that helps!
@@bromptoning Thank you. I appreciate your detailed reply. Of course Zizzo build quality can’t be as good at that price point, and I think they are aluminum vs steel frame. But I may want entry folder for now, so this was a good comparison vid for me.
Nice comparative analysis!
Where is that trail? Looks very pretty.
It's a rail trail in small town Ontario.
@@bromptoning I'm in Toronto, and I am assuming it is not in the GTA?
I don't recognize any of the landmarks.
@@derkapellmeister Oh no, it's almost a 3 hour drive from Toronto and it's in the middle of nowhere. Definitely not worth the trip just for a little rail trail!
@@bromptoning I figured. The way the roads are configured plus the vibe puts it either on the borderlands of the GTA or completely out of it.
Hi was wondering what the weight difference is between the two bikes, i chose a brompton because its easier to lift (bad back) enjoyed the video Thanks x
A 6-speed Brompton and the Zizzo Via weight the same. A 3-speed or 2-speed Brompton would be a bit lighter. But the Brompton is much easier to carry, I find, because it folds much smaller. Glad you liked the video! :)
I've have a zizzo & greenworks? I've had Dahon & citizens
citizen toykoyo was fun but needed bigger tires, the Dahon was cool but seemed very basic, I like the Greenworks? but it is heavier than the others & I'm yet to try the Zizzo, I'm getting new shifters today!
brompton is nice bike but not made for plus riders and super expensive.
Really good video, thank You 🙏
Hi 👋
Zizzo serious negatives. When you fold it, it looks it doesn’t stay upright, and the drivetrain is on the outside.
That's a good point! The Brompton fold keeps the chain tucked neatly inside.
She had trouble folding the Zizzo because she didn’t know how to do it, it folds easily and locks together. That wasn’t a comparison folding one she has experience with and one no experience with or knowledge about. A Zizzo isn’t a brompton but is great value for the price
Yes it does stay upright when done properly which was not done in the video
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Which Zizzomodel is your mom's bike?
It's a Zizzo Via.
bromptom ccool but not worth the extra $$$
what is the actually name of the Zizzo bike?
I enjoy riding my zizzo urbano bike. Hands down I would purchase a zizzo bike over other competitors. Watch my video which compares the zizzo urban with other popular brands Schwinn and Brompton: th-cam.com/video/Kd_3b8KX74g/w-d-xo.html
How does it fold?
Hello, I thought Zizzo wasn't available in Canada..
Did you buy it-
1. New?
2. In a brick-and-mortar store in Canada?
My mom ordered it on Amazon. So you're correct - Zizzo bikes aren't sold in stores in Canada, but you can order them online from Amazon. And yes, brand new!
@@bromptoning Thanks so much for replying! Your video is 3.5 months old, so wanted to ask-
- How is it holding up?
- What is the exact price your mom ordered it for?
- Even though it was bought online on Amazon, is there an applicable warranty that applies in Canada?
- If yes, what is it?
- If you can, please share the business your mom purchased the bike from on Amazon, since not all businneses are trustworthy.
I feel like I'm being very demanding :) , hopefully you answer... Thanks anyway! :)
@@Ivandrago89 Hi there. I don't know the answer to all your questions. She bought the bike through Amazon, but I believe Zizzo itself distributes it. It wasn't a through bike shop. I'd check the Zizzo website for questions regarding their warranty. zizzo.bike/
@@bromptoning thanks for responding
Mom's loaded. Is she single?
I think your mom is faster
I am glad you have a Brompton. If Columbia would had built folding bikes in a state like West Virginia, Columbia be still in business. I believe only Cannondale is left, but I do not know if they still build bicycles in the Allegheny mountains of Pennsylvania. I think I bought a folding bicycle made by political and religious prisoners in communist China. It looks I welded the bike with welding equipment sold by Harbor Freight Tools! Be careful when crossing the border if Harris becomes president!
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Check out the hobo cyclist. He puts thousands of KMs on cheap folders.
I wish I had a physically fit woman like you. My wife is morbidly obese, I am not.
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Brompton TOTALLY LOST THE FOLDING TIME
We cut most of the Zizzo fold awkwardness out of this video. I admit we should make a better video fully showing the total folding time, side-by-side.
4X as much?? Yikes
Brompton is f*cking better!
the question should be, $3000 better?
@@williamko4751 yes lol!
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You are just a brompton fan boy. Get a zizzo forte, spend $200 on new crankset and derailleur, and you are getting the same result with extra $2000 left on your pocket.
And 20" vs 16", no thanks.
It won't be the same. No matter how much one upgrades the parts on the Zizzo, the fold is always going to be big and clunky. If a small fold isn't important to you, then the Zizzo will work fine. But the Bromptons have fans for good reason - they are excellent bicycles.
I have a Bike Friday with 20" wheels, a Chromoly frame and the thing is probably 20+ years old. No amount of upgrading a Zizzo frame will let it last that long or durably. I had a Zizzo and I encourage folks to go up to the Dahon because even that much of a step up in manufacturing is noticeable. The folks behind Zizzo are great folks, they clearly pay to upgrade their builds from Pacifica, but at the end of the day, it's a frame from the manufacturer of most cheap entry level bikes, aka Walmart bikes. If you're gonna want new components, why not get the frame to match?
@@Kimberly_Sparkles When you spent over 2000 on a fold bike, you have to find reasons to justify it. I get it.
@@williamko4751 You really think you're showing off your economic smarts? You're suggesting people drop a couple hundred on standard components for a decent bike to improve a cheap entry level bike chassis. I had to take my zizzo into the mechanic constantly and adjust it constantly on my own. I got my BF used and redid all the components back to BF specs for a grand total of $1K. On a frame that my mechanic said had a number of years left. It's only been back to the shop once--after I was hit by a car. If I bought new components and kept going back to the shop, I was looking at spending close to $800 on a zizzo for just that year! it still wouldn't ride as smooth as my Bike Friday.
Sometimes you pay more upfront to pay less for the duration. That's economically smart. Now I'm a commuter so I want a bike that can do distance and dolong daily routes. A Zizzo is just not manufactured well enough for that. In fact, no entry level bike is. They are a waste of money if you know you're buying a means of transportation.
@@Kimberly_Sparkles i don't believe you for a second. You either abuse your bike or telling a fake story. I own three folding bikes for less than $500. Few of my friends own similar price range bike. Never had any problem except for regular maintenance.
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