Maharashtra Crisis: You Chose to Resign! CJI to Singhvi
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- Maharashtra Crisis: You Chose to Resign! CJI to Singhvi #SupremeCourt #LawChakra
Abhishek Singhvi, representing the Uddhav Thackrey Side, essentially was of the view that it is wrongly on the part of governor to call for trust vote and make the government topple. At this point CHief Justice asks the question that but 'You resigned yourself, how can we make you the CM.
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Vow what an apt reply by CJI to the Magician Manu Singhvi. I have first time seen the inside of SC and the discussion. I see n realized how hard it is for judges to listen and decide on these manipulative Lawyers roping the points for their high fee…..I enjoyed listening to CJI ‘but you retired’…..😂
The proceedings of the Supreme Court, the language, the ambience, the mannerism all of it is so "FOREIGN".This room has an ELITIST vibe to it.
I wonder if the common man could ever relate or feel part of such system.
Supreme Courts almost everywhere are in similar lines.
Agreeing with you certainly, even the framers of the Constitution of India as well as the first Constituent Assembly were dominated by lawyers and judges.
Yes if u bring gawar Modi 😂 in the room, suddenly the level will become that which u expect and want. Good luck with your thoughts! ( And maybe also bring Sambit Patra and one more BJP leader )
The supreme court or any court of justice is not a place of theatrics where the so called common man (according to you) should find some emotional 😭 relations to.
I am actually appalled that people like you actually EXIST (and all those that upvoted your comment) and that is why are country will go where it eventually will. Don't worry, you watch tiktok and feed your emotions.
This is not elitist ..
This is normal
As per Abhishek Sigvi
Party are personal property of a person !!!
Udhav Thakere was a cowards person in facing confidence Vote in Assembly.
Now blaming others.
And how about back door entry of Shinde faction.... they were hiding themselves away from people's eyes in
Assam, the most convenient place
@@mouseeqhee they were hiding from uddhavs gunda's and other congress gunda's people were they separated themselves from dogala Uddhav and his people. if someone try to kill you, you will stand in front of that person or u will try to hide?
@@mouseeqhee Tune Kon sa Vote Diya Shiv sena ko ?? 😂😂 Shivsena to BJP ke sath alliance me Election lada tha.. Aur Muslims don't vote shiv sena we Hindus Voted for them and Udhvab Betrayed us ..
Singhvi is trying to formulate a new rules for exiting a party, you can never leave a party without resigning , great.....if you don't have good reasons to convince people , just confuse them . That's what we learnt in management, i didn't think that Lawyers too deployed this tactics....Well done....😂😂
They are both classmates,their respective fathers were prominent figures.I always respected Mr.L.M.Singhvi,best of luck Dhananjay and Abhishek
The Dictator CM never listened to Shinde group request to not to leave the Balasaheb Thakre’s SHiv Sena ideology but chosen to leave it allowing dissent to grow against the formation of MVA government and ultimately CM resigned instead of facing trust vote like coward!
That's not the problem they had. That's what they said the problem was. Bjp got the govt down and later they came up with all the silly reasons while actually what the shinde only cared about is bags of money, not ideology or anything of that kind.
Dictator PM and his close friend Adani is the problem .. With corruption money and ED + CBI they have toppled many state governments like Maharashtra. There is no issue of Balasaheb Thakre ideology. Modi + Adani hai to sab mumkin hai 😂
Do you have any figure that How many $$ each one of the 34 got from BJP! You want to forget the Backstabbing of Udaav Thakre! When he got the same response from Shinde, He resigned, Not even the Governor wrote him to ask for his resignation!
@@nalindesai09 Then why present Government in Maharashtra is famously known as “Khoke sarkar “. ED + CBI + Money 💰power is enough to topple governments. This can be seen in different states across India. The people gonna decide who backstabbed who. The delay in BMC elections shows that BJP is scared of even elections . The ground situation in Maharashtra is not good for BJP. This government allowed Modi to take important projects out of Maharashtra. The people are going to teach them a lesson in next elections.
Putra Moh
Very very interesting arguments. Which shows high level of arguments that is made in Supreme Court by Advocates and countered by bench .
nice to see this conversation.
Superb correction by his lordship this is how our judiciary should function and we the people of this democratic republic of India
Hats of to you sir I pray to God so that many more chandrachud sir like ❤❤
I Still think they are too soft with him. he is interrupting them. leading them, that is not arguement.
Why the S C so linieent to this lawyer's nonsense argument.
He is thugging you just like Gandhi.
He is a product of Harvard applying their philosophies in Bharat.
Go have a look @rajivmalhotrachannel and then his books
Cheif Jokers of India,
his Dad was Joker
he is Joker
his son is in line to be Joker.
Hope India deserves better people who understand who is elected and who is SELECTED
Even Mr. Singhvi himself is convinced on his arguments as it seems by his words....a common man can understand their (sibal n singhvi) hardship while they try to convince others ,(forget about SC judges to convince)..they are just repeating the same words they are uttering ....People can feel pity for them as they are trying to break a stone which is unbreakable on their headless "Akas" order "Pappu & mother"
Collegium players are playing cricket match. Impairs are also from collegium.
See the tone of CJI and congressi lawyer, clearly looks like CJI is requesting humbly to congressi lawyer to understand the logic, which congressi lawyer behaving like a master
😊
CJI Always talk very humbly to all
Because CJI and Manu Singhvi are classmates from school days and both pro Congress
Thakeray accepted his defeat and resigned .What argument is this man is making?What moral principle?Dynasty is the principle.
Well said by CJ
The Time Period this case has taken purely Indicates the Leniency by the Apex Court in terms of Political cases of our Nation!!!! So much Apprehension.........
Conspiracy topple a govt was hatched thousand miles away in Assam with the help of a party having 90% election bond.It is the time to throw the 10th schedule in to dustbin. SC could have saved democracy, when they were approached initially, but it was stretched to a hopeless situation like this.
Fighting the loosing battle Dr.Singhvi you have earned your fees but lost the case. Honourable CJI IS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT IN HIS ITERPRETATION.
The Lawyer's argument makes me laugh ! In this case more than 50^ of the party MLA have gone against the party President and have declared that THEY ARE THE PARTY And the President realizing his wings have been clipped resigns ( CM post ) on his own. Having resigned HE HAS NO LOCUS STANDI
But the breakaway did not follow the procedure. You can face the vote only if the political party revolts not the legislature party
kuchh bhi!
Are laughing, so bad. Then why should create new rules
Resigning was political, wise, moral decision. Law cannot quote it adversely. Law ought to takd it positively. And do justice accordingly.
Yes, 50 + members went to the other side by the way of defection and fear of harassment by ED, CBI, and filing false cases against them.
Exactly……🤣🤣🤣 this question was predicted much earlier by Sharad Pawar so he was against resignation but pappu can’t dance sala😂
Now Singhvi and Sibbal will say that CJI is overdoing what his father had underdone in the past.
ऐसा लगता है कि हम British Court का काम काज देख सुन रहे हैं. सर्व साधारण की समझ के परे है
Only Congressi can be a lawyer like this
Chidambaram to Singhvi to Kapil Sibbal to .....whoever, not a single lawyer pleading a Congress case could win it...!!
Everyone lost every case he pleaded...
Quite interesting and brilliancy in arguments.
I actually got a headache from this. I guess politics and law are not my cups of tea. 😋
While Dr. Singhvi repeatedly arguing that , as a lawyer of the aggrieved party he is not demanding reinstatement of Udhav Govt but appealing to the court to restore status quo ante as it was before June 21, 2022.
Whereas, the honourable constitution bench judges are telling repeatedly that they would have given a serious thought of reinstatement of Udhav Thakery govt had they faced the trust vote, lost & then resigned but Udhav Thakarey govt resigned on its own volition without facing the floor test.
And as a counter argument Dr. Singbhi is saying that as far as restoration of status quo ante is concerned, it is immaterial whether Udhav Thackery faced the floor test or not.
I personally feel, Dr. Singhvi's counter argument is relevant & valid. In support of my thinking I want to present a similar incident happened recently.
In British premier league match, about a fortnight ago, a crucial match that would decide league topper, between Manchaster City & Aresenal, the a pass from a midfielder of Man city received by their right out forward, dribbled inside the penalty box & about to score a goal.
At that moment one Arsenal defender commits a serious foul that brings down the Man City right forward on the ground & thus Man City loses the opportunity to score a goal.
The match refery instantaneously shows red card to the offender Arsenal defender & also offers a spot kick to Man City.
When the Man City striker was about to take the penalty shot, someone raised doubt that the right out forward while receiving the ball (from his midfielder team mate ) was in off side position.
The match referee checks the fact in video footage, found the right out forward was indeed in off side position & he then & there reverses his decision ( I mean withdraw red card shown to the defender & also spot kick) & offers free kick to Arsenal.
Now, the question arises what would have happened ( what decision the match referee would have taken) If the off side matter had come to the knowledge/notice of the referee after the spot kick & scoring of goal by Man City.
I personally feel that the match referee would have taken same decision as was taken earlier.
Well thought !
Rubbish comparison
I don't understand the football at all but i would give you different example.
I don't know if you are from Maharashtra or not but here for boards exam, if question asked is wrong and provided that you attempted it ( it's enough to just write the question number without writing a single word. It's considered you "attempted") , then after review from the exam board, every student who have attempted the question gets full marks for it. But, if you do not even attempt it, then you get nothing for that question. This analogy fits perfectly here. Even if we assumed that governer's order was wrong, we can not reset the clock as Uddhav Thakare didn't even appear for the exam to attempt the question. So, even if all the questions asked in the exam were wrong, Uddhav Thakare still stands failed but everyone who appeared and attempted the wrong question, would get full marks.
Hope, this helps.
total nonsense
By ( rightly) resigning , rather seeing no other option but to resign and go to save the imminent disgraceful defeat in VidhanSabha, Uddhavjee has ACCEPTED the REAITY like true THAKRE. But now ,due to pressures from MVA partners, is cutting a sorry figure by foolishly fighting to get himself reinstated.
Leader is decided within party members who will lead that group ... Family identity lost in party and new leader emerged from same party ..
That is really good
Singhvi, takes 15lakh to argue a case. Result 0/0. Most cases he fails and other party wins. Singvi simply puzzles.
15 lacs per hearing
Party cannot be the private property of a family
Not even to your father
Get ur facts right!
Party built by an individual cannot be purchased by buying MLAs
Party can not be a faction too...
But all the regional pat are private property of a particular family
No one can accept the arguments he has made 😅 .Governor has been taken right steps as per the law.
We support and believe his great work 👏
Even Congressi lawyer are not fit for lawyer in municipalities courts
Wastegae of time of Supreme court by arguing wrong tectics and pleading . Why udhav resigned why he himself ranaway without facing truat vote. Today such advocates just not only misleading Judiciary but also wasting time also. Udhav has gone.
So.much indulgence to.Congress lawyers by Congress CJI
Koshiyari must be punished
Singavi has become pagal by blindly supporting congress he wants to be above law of land nd courts. Earlier he has been give n much weightage bySC.He deserve suspension from SCBA.
No matter what decision comes, shiv sena is basically of marathi people who support thackrey family…
Joke
hidutava is bigger than a family! you will seee
12:40 justice Chandrachurv is such a well spoken guy 🙏
It appears that bench is silently listening. I'm seeing first time that at certain points intervention, interruption.
Shero shayari in court. Sahi hai? The governor cannot be questioned, it is his power.
ये मेरी पहली प्रतिक्रिया थीं कि उद्धव को इस्तीफा की सलाह किसने दीं थीं?
उसने क्यों इस्तीफा दिया??
उनका डिप्टी स्पीकर था वो शिंदे और कंपनी को अयोग्य घोषित करता और शिंदे & कंपनी कोर्ट चक्कर मारती?
सरकार बच जाती!
I am citizen of india my country is democracy day by day it has been descending as i am my country my young flocks of today educated citizens no value for their sence .i belive C J . God almighty through him blessed he give righteousness to people's
CJI is also due to collegium, 😂😂 both cji and party leader hold their position due to their family background
Why praying for a moron who don't want judge appointment on the basis of marit but on recommended collegium ground,
Both are 'fruit of nepotizm'
Lot of Respect for our CJI
Thse are congressi advocates..they want courts to do what thay wanted...
Sibal and Singhvi are defending something which defies rationality, reason and events which led to the events in Maharashtra. It is pure waster of precious Supreme Court time…
Simply wonderful.... What a learning
Why is SC getting into everything.. Why is the peoples representative action not according to law although election Commission upheld decision of governor. Is Court going to run this country?
If some number of party members do not agree with the elected party leadership, they have the following options:
1. Wait till leaders term is over then express your opinion to take the party in your direction in the leadership election process
2or resign from the party and stay in the legislature as an independent
3. Or bring a no confidence motion against the party leadership as per the party constitution.
The problem in India is there is no party internal democracy. It’s all family fiefdom.
Would want to listen the defendants.
Alas singhvi sir deserves a kudos
Supreme Court environment vs Loksabha environment 🤣😂
He is being paid to argue/ misargue..😅
How difficult task to turn truth as false,
When final judgement come on Udbhab Thackrey's petition on party Symbol issue?
The argument may not stand before the law when incumbent C. M. resigned. Resignation means free will. Crux should have faced the options before him rather than resign.
Every person thinks that, who ever can speak english fluently are educated and thinktank at all, but by their conversation all educated knows, how much they're ..
Know*
*At all * is a negative connotation 😢
The Govt is of the people for the people n by the people. The people means the sena workers want the Govt to continue without two members who claim be the sena for all purposes.
So much latitude given by the CJ and yet the thick headed advocate uses court as his playground.
Senior advocates enjoy certain privileges in Indian Judiciary… its a conventional practice irrespective of their ideological inclination.
Singvi himself is a confused lot & both he & Sibbal are trying to fool the judges
Resigning was political, wise, moral decision. Law cannot quote it adversely. Law ought to takd it positively. And do justice accordingly.
This is very superfluous case -- HUNG assembly should be avoided by design .. How? Why not political party declare their affiliation before election mandatorily ( as per amended LAw ) so that this hopping resort politics will end -- Voters are kept dark in this world's biggest democracy and all NAATAK starts once election is over -- HUNG assembly can be avoided by design -- Eminent people should sit and think -- This does not any way means dilution of democratic principles -- All Articles of Constitutions can be fulfilled .. I myself have 36 solid innovative points on " HOW TO AVOID HUNG ASSEMBY OR PARLIAMENT " no one is interested in as chaos is desired state -- Chaotic system generate huge revenue may be to the tune of 1 to 2 % of GDP - HUNG Assembly is biggest business opportunity to resort owners .
Where is Singhvi's favorite Tape / CD the fellow should be shown a trailer now and then
😂
😂😂😂👌When ever I hear his name that tape scene comes to my mind. How he is still facing the public?
@@minim7822 Yeah How shameless these ppl are and they dare question the govt he should be Jailed for that Tape in some law or bylaw that should be a crime - by the same yard stick Nithyananda was hounded by police just be come he got massaged by a lady and that too in private
Nobody knows what supreme court want to dig or say. We are following both side arguments . But now sindhe proved majority infront of all members of the assembly. Now also opposition had majority they can bring noconfidence motion any time. Only they are confusing common man.
Wasted taxpayers money, one lawyer charge crores per hour. See with your own eyes how many Crores are burnt.
भारत में रहते हैं तो हिंदी तो आनी ही चाहिए। कब तक अंग्रेजों को jhelenge
Which party properly maintaining Register of it's members and all the records being properly audited have submitted all records with the Election commission of India .
Power games and getting involved in litigation for power at the expense of governance.
its a waste of time, everyone is sold, and the judgment would be like this - the current judiciary can't do it without the phone call from the high office, it will obviously be in the favor of jjp
If the SC has to o return Governors's directive for a floor test, then SC should also scrap the anti defection law of 1/3 MLAs leaving a party and forming. Separate group.
Some of the observations of the Judges make me wonder whether they are applying a different yardstick in this case, because of their biss against the Central Government
Election Commission is also a part of Constitution.We must honour the EC also.
This lawer represents only criminals - get them life long bail and drag the cases. No arguments needed, if this Criminal Lawer represents any one, he will only be a criminal and let us not have criminals.
this according to the common man is a simple case!, Voter the common man, if is the king in democracy, & exercises his option to choose his own representative through popular vote, as a lawmaker, to represent him, because of which it is said by the elected representative, " voter knows everything & knows whom to trust & chose their representative very intelligently. It must be again the voter, who must have the option to change the status of their elected representative, as The king of democracy, & any change without the voter stamp of authority must be seen as a violation of the trust of the king the voter, in which case the only remedy is "go to the people again" and get his approval! So now there is a need to introduce "RIGHT TO RECALL" for a minimum of 10 years, to again make the common man feel he is the real King of democracy!
Cji ने सुप्रीम कोठे का स्तर मिट्टी में मिला दिया है
Polarised Political leaders should not be allowed to argue in SC!? They can be more political than professional !? Ex. IAF
Who toppled? The mva lost majority because majority Shivsena mla left mva bringing them in minority. Thus governor have to find another group to form n manage the state affairs! It is very simple! Why should anybody follow what lawyers feel! They followed what is right for them.
Cji and his team may say due to bias against existing govt that governor is wrong. In my view governor and governor alone can call for a trust vote when majority MLA 's goes against existing leader. To say that they ditched the party in which they got elected is not right because the parties stood in an alliance to win the poll. To say MLA's ditched means it is also ditching when a party leaves alliance soon after victory for CM Post. Did judges lose sight of these. Is it not a greater ditching!!!???
i Don't really know how a court proceeding should go, but seeing a lawyer constantly interrupting the judge, speaking in middle, i feel they are not educated enough.
Utter waste of time and people‘s money…
It’s clearly evident that CJI is carrying soft corner and that’s why it’s been heard for so long at the expense of several vital cases waiting to be heard ?
No one is bothered !!!!
Big salute to Shri. Harish Salveji for showing mirror to CJI and others that when Mr. Thackeray himself resigned and fled from the examination of proving majority.
Acha then you can wht the hell did adani did wrong why opposition is demanding j.p.c probe why they are doing protest utter waste of precious time ...i can understand you andhbhakt har har modi
@@singhsaab1690 what evidence opposition has given on adani issue
yeah definitely cji should always side with the government, even if mlas are being horse traded , cbi ed it raids only opposition leaders, the people who switched sides have all cases against them vanished. Welcome to the banana republic of India
It's not opposition's job to give evidence, you are just bhakti me leen aadmi!
@@prateekagarwal3789 hHhaha total hidenberg report has been filled with evidence Vijay Kumar Sharma has filled several reports on coal mining frauds by adani bro you know one thing if adani was soo right ..case file krta hidenberg pe tab adani ko har ek chij ka evidence Dena padta hawa nikal jati modi ki dosti ki Bhai sahib i can understand your bhakti for modi but country should always be first if you are truly love your country ok even I was fooled by 2 crore jobs 450 ka cylinder and black money sirf 50 days de do bhaiyo behno baad mein chowk mein khara krke goli marr dena modi ko bro plzz be educated ok ...say adani to file defamation against hidenberg adani ki to thousand lakh crores of rupees udd gye Hain ek case he krke dekha de
A party splits into two though not vertically the group that forms the govt with the opposition wants to call itself as the party ...and five judges are hearing this case days on ..A layman would have said the group that went away is a splinter group not the Party...it is all because illiterate people vote for the symbol and not for the candidate or party...let there be no permanent symbol..same fight is going on in Tamil Nadu..the shinde group should seek fresh mandate ..only solution dussolve the assembly and hood fresh election..India is the largest illiterate democracy...
It can be clearly seen from the argument being putforwad by adv. singhvi that he's divelging the main issue by harping on the topics that are \irrrelevent. THE BASIC FACT IS THAT THE C.M. SUBMITTED HIS RESIGNATION BY HIS OWN CONSCIOUS WILL. THE MATTER ENDED THERE AND THEN.
Any one Can express his Opinion in front of Udhave thakere is a comedy
He is believed to be himself life time chief of the party.
Why CJI does not see murder of voters rights who voted for Bjp ally Shiv sena but after elections Shiv Sena just for CM post went against voters trust and formed Government with those parties who voters did not want
SC is going by an agenda.
Because constitution doesn't give a fuck about ally. You fight alone or fight with ally, Remain with ally or separate from them. It has no law.
And for your info court is here to establish rule of law. And not rule of emotions.
Mr Abhishek is keeping family run parties as the basis for his stand.
If a party is truly democratic then there cannot be any family run corporations. If it is truly run democratically then expression of dissent is possible within party mechanism.
Mr Singvi is from Congress run by family and defending another so called party run by another family
😂😂 both cji and party leader hold their position due to their family background
Dr. Singhvi has hollow arguements...only big words..how has he reached the supreme court??
Mr.Singhvi....you may tell the court that Uddhav Thackeray inherited Shiv Sena from Bala Saheb and so the party belongs to Uddhav, even if he acts against the core ideology of the party...Democracy be damned!
You can quote the example of the newspaper 'The Hindu' started by Kasturi Ranga Iyengar has been turned into virulently anti-hindu by his successors...
Indian people are used to such nonsense....
Singhvi narrative and interpretation of law as a pro opposition will not be accepted. Good imagination by Singhvi.
Maharashtra Government formation has opened up one major possibility -- 51% or more of MLAs who won the election of any party can come together and Suddenly select their Leader and claim to form government - CONSTITUTION will not come in between -- In Maharashtra 3 political parties of totally opposing ideology came together formed MVA government -- Same way 51% or more WINNING MLA of any party can form government -- Anti defection Law can be managed somehow . Ultimately Governmant means MONEY came out clearly in this episode . Voters is blind spectators in current form of Representation of People Act -1951 which has not gone any material change since 1951
Waste of Nation Resources. Let the political party which had toppled various elected governments provide justification to the judges before even arguing about this.
When you lose your majority in the house, quit and keep quiet. Sangvi is just 🐂 sense. Dissenting is volunteer discard members hip.
Bhai when will you give the judgement or you intend to drag this case for days and months. How much will you argue more?
When 34 legislative members were revolting staying in Assam and surat it is absurd to believe them to vote for uddhav thackeray on a floor test. Any human with dignity would do what uddhav thackeray did.
Politics is not just about grabbing power. After you go for voting and get defeated, setup narratives to project you as a victim of backstabing. Get people sympathy. But udhavi might have thought his own backstabbing
Absolutely not. Uddhav shud have stayed. Now its own fault
Just amazed at the length of latitude Singhvi gets away with here. Its almost as if the judicial system is a closed/clique-run business. Oh well !
The moot point which Mr Singhvi is dodging is answering as to why did CM resign when not asked for or ousted.
The Shinde faction from the beginning had categorically been stating that they have no intention to leave Shiv Sena or form any other party.
Why governor ask CM for floor test.
Supreme Court ought not search for points of its own escape routes. "Resigning" view by SCI would be such escape route. It's not justice. Escapism! All seek it!!
Higher courts should discuss on IMPROVING THE SYSTEM and should not discuss case by case - The Floor test case is SR BOMMAI is 1995 case -- which is al most 30 years back -- The system is still like that .. Representation of people ACT - 1951 did not make any significant change to avoid HUNG ASSEMBLY . Hung Assembly is NOT what voters want it comes that way and hence interpreting HUNG ASSEMBLY as voters verdict is NOT right at all -- Example : If 30 % voters voted BJP and they got seats 6 short of majority -- 30 % voters voted for congress and they got 6 short of majority and 6 % votes to go 3rd party they got 12 seats -- VOTERS are not giving verdict on HUNG Assembly and Voters are not asking 2 of the parties come together to form government -- This is very convenient way Law is being interpreted -- AVOID coalition after the election -- Push coalition before election so that Voters know who is with whom before casting votes -- I strongly believe VOTERS rights are compromised in the formation of coalition government - This is NOT what voters want -- This is a big subject need a detailed study on drawing board
why is the cji standing and the litigant's lawyer sitting?
👍👍👍👍
It's nothing but waste of valuable time
By knowing advance future verdict already pimps started indirectly putting pressure on judisery.
Meaning?
Time the entire party system is given a go by and the legislator who wants to dissent because the people.he elected him wants to vote contrary to the party's agenda needs to be protected. In this case the tie up.witj ongress and ncp was a main reason for it and is against the mandate they got.
Scenario where a pleader appears more charismatic than the Hon'ble Bench
🙄 ofcourse coz judge job is to hear, he will give his judgement only at end