What do you mean, I founded a whole company that puts a box of 2-5 handgun bullets (they fit any handgun ever made, by the way, it's magic) inside another, larger box. Sometimes herbs, too, just to piss off the gun nuts who want more bullets.
@@jedstuhr Yes. We saw this same thing with RE4. So many fanboys showed their true colors when the remake dropped. They couldn't handle it was a good remake. It was comparable to the OG but neither better or worse.
Im only 30 mins in and i dont know if you will mention it , but ive noticed every review channels fails to mention that this remake is actually scary , its genuinely hard to play for long streches becasue it wears on you
Have you played the original game? Because I think you've confused fear with nervous stress from relentless enemy encounters from a game that should be using the atmosphere and music to instill the fear of lonliness.
@johnmirra6707 I did yes , I've played og twice times and this once , when og first came out I thought it was scary but replaying it at the start of covid I found it more funny than scary
@@johnmirra6707I played OG and I’ve always thought Silent Hill 1 and 3 we’re far more scary than 2. I liked 2’s story but never thought it was half as scary as Silent Hill 1
I want it to be understood that Silent Hill has ALWAYS had a Dodge mechanic. Even in SH 1, you can push Square Square to do a Dodge maneuver, it's clunky but it gives you some space & lets you dodge some attacks. So the Dodge isnt brand new to this remake, the Dodge is just more fluid.
My thing with the dodge is, while I thought it was kinda silly at first for just some random dude like James, at least it's not some kind of "super soldier dodge roll" like in Homecoming. It's just some awkward jerk out of the way that fits the character more lol
I think it's a little disingenuous to attribute game devs changing one face to not look like a model to their catering to a supposed vocal minority. Angela's face doesn't taper down as much, sure, lots of people just look like that. I find it a little insulting that your two options as for why would be woke gone out of control or a straight up artist's error. Secondly I kind of feel like characters in media should have the option to look like people without it becoming so polarizing. I also wish female characters weren't bearing the full weight of that kind of scrutiny.
It's a bit of a double standard because no one talks about that with male characters despite so many being ridiculously chiseled and unrealistic. It seems like only women characters are seen like that. But honestly, as fiction, they should be able to be realistic and unrealistic. It just seems like only female characters are held to that scrutiny
Same here. I love seeing and comparing other people's perception of the game and how it compares to mine. Except for the so called fans that consider the remake "woke" and spend their whole videos complaining about imaginary problems 😮💨
I've been waiting to hear your thoughts on Silent Hill 2 Remake. I'm glad to see your perspective on the game with your thoughts on its pros and cons yet still having perception and self-awareness from where it's coming from. Good stuff as always, Jared 🤘
The cons are the entire game nearly. Yes i was stupid enough to buy it againts my better judgement after being burnt out after r.e 4 remake but its no different from any other title. this is like EA's FIFA crisis back there, they are cloning the same titles and rushing them to market.
Has anyone experienced the bug where a monster is dead but is just standing there doing nothing when you reenter the room? It has no hitbox and it won’t attack either. Scared the crap out of me a couple times.
@1:00 Friendly correction here, Dead Space remake was made on EA's Frostbite engine, and the Callisto Protocol was built on UE4. Either way, the end result is the same and honestly the devs in the case of all of these games had to have noticed these problems before launch and shouldn't have just said "fuck it".
Just makes the enemies damage sponges.. they shouldve just maxed out their damage. In the end it doesnt really matter because 90% of them you can just beat to death with the pipe and save ammo when you get the dodge down
I've entirely finished the original SH2, even got the green hyper spray- back on ps2, greatest hits. I must have hit new game over 100 times, finished it in the dozens. I lost my ps2 due to a housefire, never bought the re-release because of the flaws. I've missed playing this story, so damn bad. Around two months ago, a friend let me come over, and I beat it, getting the In Water ending on purpose. I've now beaten the remake twice.. I don't think there will ever be a need for me to revisit the original again. This remake is my new definitive SH2. Bloober proved my assumptions wrong in the best way.
I haven't beat the remake yet, but I take a while on purpose. However, it made me run the original in an emulator, and I had forgotten it crashes in the apartment buildings. So now I've got the PC version downloaded and all of the HD footage etc and I have to build it in Wine because I'm on Linux. But apparently it's the only way to experience the original in HD.
I really like the new Maria. The old version felt more sexual in nature. The new version feels like she leveled up, somewhat remembers the original and is trying to be more nurturing like Mary to lure James into a sense of false security.
@@drakenfistI mean yea to this, but just echoing what sensible people have said and what avalanche said, there’s just discrepancies with her vocal delivery and emotion at times, especially the Anyways part. And now I’m more understanding once he mentioned that bloober mightn’t have gotten the technology down yet. Which still doesn’t ruin the game for me, it’s just glaringly obvious.
@@----248 i played the OG at launch and its one of my fav games of all time, cant tell you how many times i replayed it. BUY IT...trust me on this. in my opinion it improved on the OG in many ways and did just some things abit worse, which can be somewhat mitigated imo. this remake is a masterpiece and as a remake, its better than both resi evil remakes by miles, it kept all the goddamn puzzles ffs unlike the re remakes. just buy it. its a magnificent game and frankly i want to show konami that silent hill is still a strong IP.
@@TheDarkjedi94 🤣🤣🤣 You guys are killing me for real. I just want to know what is different and what have been improved. I dislike to play remake of games i have already played if they aren't different enough. I have a huge list of game i want to play and my time is very limited.
I like the whole purgatory aspect of the sh2 remake. It’s neat that James probably repeated the cycle a couple times until he finally took accountability for his actions and moved on breaking the cycle.
He never does. James is forever trapped in Silent Hill, reliving the same emotional pain and psychological torment, even if he physically leaves the town.
@@phant0mdummy aren't you precious? 'Debatable,' they say. Honey, the only debate here is which flavor of trauma James gets to savor. The OG creators laid it out: all endings are canon, which means James is screwed six ways to Sunday no matter what. Whether he's trapped in town or 'escapes,' those scars are permanent residents. Silent Hill: where 'happily ever after' means 'eternally messed up.'.
@@RoguesRetroWhy can’t “Leave” be the last ending, where the loop is finally broken? Genuinely interested in your perspective, but please hold the condescending tone
@@kahlilbt Silent Hill isn't a spa retreat - it's the Hotel California of psychological trauma. 'Leave' ending? More like 'Delusion' ending. James can check out any time he likes, but he can never truely leave. Those creators aren't selling happily-ever-afters, they're dishing out lifetime subscriptions to PTSD Weekly. They have stated that they want you to choose. Masahiro Ito stated that "all of the endings are canon.". Hot take: there are only 3 real Silent Hill games, and a spiritual successor that's the only one brave enough to keep the torch lit. The rest? Just a bunch of wannabe horror games trying to fill the void left by the OG.
I will say. The hotel part where you have to run around without weapons was infinitely way more panic inducing to me than in the original. I legit had to pause the game for a moment after I got back to the locker to retieve my items because my heart was racing.
Been thinking about the remake alot (on 3rd play though) I look at SH2R similar to RE2R. With both games I don’t feel like they replace the originals or make them obsolete. I feel like I love both the originals and remakes in different ways.
@@AvalancheReviews Sweet baby inc did in fact consult on this game, so people calling out the desexualization of characters in a game with themes like this, is not irrational "culture warriors". The only thing that's absurd is the amount of money that has been invested in the cause of making fake people less attractive.
@@JarlBarbossaThey desexualized some characters? When that's a key theme in 2? That's...a strange choice, to say the least, and contradictory to the themes
I actually quite love Angela's new design, she looks much closer to Satos original concept art of her. I also love that her face is a little more chubby as that is exactly how my face looked when I was her age before it thinned out. I already loved her in the og but seeing her in the remake with a much more relatable model really put into perspective just how young she is
The toilet picture in place of Downpour's art had me cackling like a mad witch. Love it. And I note that all the pictures of Angela in those tweets use the old version of her, not the final model. I actually do have a nostalgic connection to SH2, but... this is still everything I ever could've hoped for and more. There are things I'd change, mostly the off voice moments and animation moments you mentioned, but overall it feels like an expansion and upgrade to a game I loved. I marvel at Bloober's accomplishment. They were lovingly faithful at every turn.
generally I really enjoy the remake. that being said the tone of line delivery for James and Maria feel very different to the original to which i would say the characterization comes across differently. not bad just different. i hope the remake inspires more people to play the original.
the only problem with the original is how hard it is to find for yourself, either emulate or use a site you might get malware from for it and the others
Oh definitely, Maria in the remake is one of the few negatives I can pin point in the remake - she sounds so bored and disinterested. The voice actress never changing her tone between voicing her and Mary bothers me too, they shouldn't sound EXACTLY the same its supposed to be what takes James in and out of their interactions?
glad im not alone in thinking the facial animation quality was very different across scenes, i also felt like the end of angela's knife scene looked weird when in others she looks great. another one that looked off to me was when laura reacts to james confession, her eyes and even face overall barely seemed to move.
I've watched and rewatched your SH Retrospective vids so many times that the first thing I thought when I saw the remake trailer was 'damn, Jared's gonna have a field day with this one'.
See ? It not that hard to enjoy BOTH the Original and the Remake. It's actually nice for once to see someone (beside Max Derrat) separates this,treats it as it own game and enjoying this remake for it is while also critique it accordingly instead of constantly comparing it to the original. Like several content creators who claims they are a "huge fan" only to see them nitpicking the tiniest details and ripped this game a new one just because it wasn't like the original and that's just sad if you ask me. The Remake is Good, The Original is a Masterpiece and You can enjoy them both individually and most importantly Silent Hill as a Franchise Deserved and Earning this success. Thanks Jared.
a reimagining always lives on the shadow of the original piece of art, even more if the original is not easily available, not comparing with the original is denying the remake the chance to be more than a translation, a copy or even a modern interpretation... videogames are the only media that remakes are seen in a good light in general….
@@Moth-ManRemasters but don't the newer movies win some of the praise for the fact that it takes the original in to a generally better place? that what i was talking about, the remake being compared to the original is both good and bad at the same time.... more good then bad on my opinion....
This. I've played and finished SH2 both the Original and Remake 4 times. They're both on equal footing in terms of "lightning in a bottle." Which is absolutely remarkable in every sense.
Just wanted to thank the SH community for shouting at Bloober when the initial trailers were released. The models looked wrong and the constant over-acting threw up red flags everywhere. And well done Bloober company, listening to fan feedback and improving the game. The result is 1M sales in the first 4 days - everybody won!
SH 2 remake was done very well despite some nitpickings.. i really enjoyed the game alot. It doesn't replace the OG but pays respect to it in a genuine way.. after finishing the remake twice im back to enjoying the OG again as well.. both games can exist
Bothsiding the Angela debate I think is ridiculous. The crazies talking about how she’s hideous and couldn’t wank to her anymore were far more prevalent and disingenuous than anyone talking about how rape victims are suppose to be ugly. Like come on man, one side clearly was far more numerous and extreme than the other.
The people defending her character model were far more toxic, harassing fans in the process. I wish activists left this hobby. They've made it a nightmare. People have been critical of character design changes going back to the nes but now activists have to make it a battle.
@@themeangenethat is absolute garbage, I literally saw posts of people crying because they couldn’t wank to the r*pe victim anymore. You’re as delusional as a Trump voter if you believe otherwise.
Hopefully now that we got SH2R we can get over the "Silent Hill is about trauma" trend we been on. Lets get back to the game being about the cult. The town simply uses personal trauma, regrets, ect to induce the paranormal delusions and hauntings.
This is really interesting to me because the thing that made me love the original Silent Hill 2 is specifically that the town’s lore is secondary to how the horrors manifest as metaphor for our protagonist and the various characters. I really don’t care to learn the history of the town so much as I like seeing how it works as a force that affects people who have to go on their own journeys. Knowing that, I wonder if the rest of the series isn’t going to be for me. I kinda liked the self contained nature of 2 and kinda thought I’d get more of that if I played the other ones.
Kind of hard disagree, cults are really hard for me to take seriously because humans aren’t scary. I think the first game did it the best and should also draw inspiration for future games: There really is no cult. What you’re witnessing is the aftermath of an idiot cult that messed with things far beyond their comprehension and Marry Hason has to deal with the aftermath.
Serious question: Am I the only one who had fun with homecoming? I hear a lot of people hating it and I dont really understand why. It was the first Silent Hill that got me to the series
I liked homecoming just fine I've only completed it twice as opposed to the 20 or more times for most of the rest of the series but it has its merits , downpour on the other hand I've tried so many times and never finished it
SH fans has been repeatedly fucked by Konami with a plethora of shitty releases, ports and cash grabs and now we have all this tourists calling us "haters" and "toxic."
When Silent Hill Homecoming, The Evil Within and The Callisto Protocol came out people said that the combat must be goofy in a horror game or else it cant be scary. With those games people said that a game cant have good combat and be scary at the same time.
Honestly this remake and the mafia remake are my favorite type of remakes. Ones that knew the homework, had immeasurable amounts of love for the source material but made mild adjustments from years of retrospect and were able to craft as good of a tale with a faithful retelling. Also really fun to see that both studios (blooper and hangar 13), who had talent but had rather mixed games, were able to create a new fanbase when all the creative wires cross.
With all that remake culture, making original games preserved and playable on modern hardware is obligatory. It should be the best excuse to make another remake. Imagine, buying a bundle of original and remake
@@HuggieWuggies yea that will never happen. I mean if you're a true SH fan you will have to suffer like every one else and mod in the enhance edition. There are a bunch of TH-cam tutorials out there to hold your precious little hand.
Two things can be true: >SH2's dialogue is good at doing what it's trying to do >Any attempt to recreate the vibe of the original's dialog was likely going to feel forced, so going for polish was probably the best move all told
@@guilhermewolfman>me when I lie Selling 1 million units in three days is peanuts. And the Steam player base is at 24,000+ at a 24 hour peak. They had to convince Konami to sell on PC. Imagine how worse the numbers would be. Also where did you hear that? Babieno literally never said that. He said they want to continue working on Silent Hill but that doesn't mean they actually will. In fact psu . Com reported on Babieno saying they will continue working with Konami but not on Silent Hill.
@@guilhermewolfman have you actually read the metrics??? or did you just see the article everyone saw celebrating a million units n outselling old sh games that never sold well? ( Yes silent hill excluding the first one actually sold poorly - just breaking a million),,, right now itll be lucky to break 2.2 ,,, which most triple aaa games need to break even ie alien isolation 2.2 million and dead space remake hit 2.5 apparently -both got series cancelled with these sales and despite the ZOMG a million copies article your celebrating ..... sh2 is tracking worse then deadspace remake 2 by steam metrics we have ( we also have the psn sales a 78% increase on steam sales, so were aware of what ps5 could make up for) ,,,, its max is 23 000 at launch and right now it only has 3000 players on steam,,,,,its dead in the water BUT imo sh2 remake was obviously cheaply made, looks little better then ps4 games.... you fans overpraising this 7/10 game just own the haters is even more annoying then the haters
the game was mediocre , generic and lost all the atmosphere of the original. It was hand holding, with all the white cloth, even in the god damn walls, telling you where to go and what to push, lol. so lame. The voice acting is good not great, and some is cringe and so poorly delivered. James is the best voice actor in this remake. Angela and maria are the worst. It’s padded out which makes the few enemy types so repetitive. The bosses are generic, with two turning into mechanical spiders. Pyamid head has become overused and generic and now just looks more dumb than ever. 6/10. it’s no masterpiece.
Loved the video, always enjoy your work. A few things come to mind: - I think this will serve as a good point of reference for how to do remakes. It’s obvious this team actually respects the original without slavishly worshiping it and it’s genuinely excellent, even with its flaws accounted for. - If my memory serves, the persistent reticle you mentioned as an option is there as an accessibility option. I’ve seen other games have it and it apparently helps some people with motion sickness. - One of my favorite little touches is in the scene in theater with Eddie eating pizza. The look he gives James after he remarks about getting his appetite back was chilling for me because even if I didn’t know the game’s story, I know that look because I’ve gotten that look and, sadly, I’ve given people that look. It’s so obvious that Eddie takes anything and everything as a personal attack, regardless of if it’s meant that way. It’s a small thing and maybe I’m over analyzing it, but I appreciated that detail.
Wow. I did not believe you would be able to give this remake a fair shake. Kudos to you, being more open than lots of other old time SH2 fans. As someone who never managed to play through the game because I never had any PlayStation (and only played SH1,3 and 4 on friend's consoles) and when it came out on PC it just felt too old and dated visually and in gameplay, I am genuinely glad that I get to experience this story now in a new updated version. I've been quite critical with your approach to a few reviews and especially genre definitions in the comments on other videos, but credit where credit is due. Good job. I agree about Angela, but you got to admit that they definitely reduced the sexiness of Maria's outfit. I am never angry about stuff like that though, like you I prefer to be rational about this, but I notice it, just like you mentioned, it is catering to a small but vocal group.
11:05 Agreed , and the fantastic facial capture work for James's actor was phenomenal.. Heaven's Night and the drink.. Confronting Mary on the bed. Confessing to Laura. All of those performances from James were pretty captivating . 14:20 But then you have original moments like these , that blow the remake out of the water.. Hand drawn facial animations and expressions , and to me with the combined original voice acting is the chef's kiss.. The fog , the music , just yes please .
Padded out? Hell yes. So much that I got bored stiff halfway through the hospital and haven’t bothered to pick it up since. It’s more of an action-adventure grind than a horror game now, totally missing the whole point of Silent Hill. The original wasn’t about flashy combat or endless side quests; it was about making you feel trapped, isolated, and freaked out by things you couldn’t quite see or understand. This remake just drags on, throwing in action for action’s sake, killing the tension that made Silent Hill 2 unforgettable. Very glad I got my refund.
To me, the combat is much more difficult and engaging than the original. The mannequins are a real stand-out. Their hiding spots can be surprising, and you're never more closely-matched with an enemy than with the mannequins. And then...the spider-mannequins change it up altogether. You can tell they were worried they had made them too difficult because they seem to be easier to kill. But they can be hard to locate before they jump you. The game could genuinely stress me out, but I have it blasting through a subwoofer and 6 speakers. I think the remake scares me more than the original did when I was 12, but it's hard to be certain. I love it. I'm about 66% done, and I did notice the sexuality with Pyramid-Head has been toned down. The closet scene, and even the first fight are missing the most disturbing aspects.
I just want a shitty, barely playable PS2 port that streams over PS+, locks up gameplay every seven minutes, and the widescreen margins say lorem ipsum in a silent hill font.
I like original SH2 simply because its voice acting is fantastic. As a middle school kid the original ending made me ball like a baby. The remake has lackluster voice acting for Mary/Maria, and that ruined the rest of the game for me because she was the heart and soul of what made that original so great. I still don’t think we’ve gotten voice acting that good since.
The leave ending has no weight, the voice acting is atrocious.... far worse than the rest of the game for some reason... they not only delivered flat acting, but they cut half of the lines off.
Thank you so much for saying what you did about the voice acting. I thought I was taking crazy pills with all these reviewers saying that the voice acting was way better and the script was way better in the original and I just felt like I was going insane because the line delivery was just so much better and they made things so much more subtle in some scenes where it was just too damn fisted originality
Played the first Silent Hill when it came out on the PlayStation and I’ve played every subsequent title since. The remake was absolutely incredible. Truly superior to the original imho. The game was so unrelenting and intense and truly mastered the formula for a new generation. The OG SH2 felt too much like a parody of an American town/people in many ways. The dialogue and even the music felt like what an outsiders would think it should sound like. The remake was much more convincing.
I don’t think a one to one remake would’ve been ideal at all, that only gives credence to it trying to replace the original. Remakes changing things up and being more of an adaption of the source material is generally better and what makes both able to coexist so well
@@7RicolmE7 I think most of the Bloober haters are the kind of people that think that a game cant be good and scary if you dont need to worry about getting killed all the time because thats how it was in Bloobers old games.
Observer is their only good game haha. But honestly I think Bloober doesn't understand horror and I don't think they understood sh2 and just made an re2 remake clone with an sh2 skin.
Ayyyy hell yeah! I knew you were encountering audio issues when recording footage (i had similar issues when plugging in/unplugging headphones), so figured it might be a bit before we get a video. Stoked this is out in time for Halloween 😎 great video, man.
After I played through my entire first run (on PS5), I give the game overall an 8/10. My biggest detractors were: 1. Performance: I always opt in for higher frame rates as I hate choppiness anything below 60 fps. The picture looks beautiful but the artifacting, the god awful ghosting, the very muddy look of a lot of textures to try and give us 60FPS and yet, on average be getting 45-50 tops. 2. The facial animation - I wholeheartedly agree on the scene with Maria who audibly is distraught but you would never be able to tell by her face. Sometimes the emotions are spot-on; other times I’m scratching my head at the lack of emotion. The conversation with Laura after you watch the tape was another example. Laura looked like she was straight up smiling and laughing when she’s supposed to be crying and upset. I can’t quite understand why it’s so 50/50 with the facial animation. 3. Maria - I don’t find her subtlety in the remake as an improvement. I always pictured her sultry, flirtatious and giving off bad-intention energy. The labyrinth scene sounded awful compared to the original in my opinion. The way she said, “I’m not your Mary” was a let down compared to the original. I’m glad they gave us the cameo of her original outfit but why not just give us the original? James, Laura, Eddie and Angela were all pretty much exact 1-1 copies. Why make the one character whose entire existence is to appear sexual be less sexy? When I see Maria, I picture a smirk on her face, bedroom eyes and very arched eyebrows. Someone you would never trust despite their allure. Angela - I’m pretty satisfied by her look and I have no qualms with her face or how “sexy” people wanted a SA victim to appear. However, I did picture Angela to appear emaciated like a girl who tortured herself from her past trauma through things she could control, like food intake. Like sunken in cheeks, hollow circles under the eyes, cut marks from her knife, etc. It’s a small gripe that’s not hugely important, just how I visualized it. A lack of unlockables - I know Silent Hill 2 didn’t have a lot of unlockables and it was really more of a trait of Silent Hill 3, but I would’ve liked different costumes or perhaps an overpowered weapon after beating the hardest of difficulties. I hate the chainsaw since it’s so loud, a magnum would’ve sufficed. Or even just more gag items that would add to the silliness, not just a cardboard pyramid head or dog head through preorder bonuses and/or digital purchases. Even if it was paid DLC I would’ve bought it to make subsequent playthroughs more fun. Overall great video, I agree with most of what you said and I’m always happy to just hear you talk. Your voice has this appeal I can’t quite describe but it’s calming and perfect for the informative approach you take to your retrospectives. Can’t wait for the next one 🥰 Side note: Am I the only one that thinks the head sizes were too large? It added an uncanny valley to the characters, like a bobble head if you will.
I'm glad that I was wrong about this remake, but I'd still reccomend people play the original 2001 game first. And seeing people crap on it, either to clown on the vocal minority of old heads or because they're too closed minded to try to comprehend something that isn't like the homogenized playstyles of modern games is disappointing to me. But overall, I'm happy with how it turned out. Even with my nitpicks.
the amount of people just actin like the remake is the second coming of Jesus and that the Original is unplayable is infuriating, a little of my unlinking of the remake comes from the new people that hate the original and want a remake of everything because downloading 2 files on any pc it’s to hard....
@@HuggieWuggieswell, not everybody has a pc and idk if you’ve checked but this game is running for about $200 for original copies. The only other option for console is HD collection and I think we may agree that is not the preferred SH experience (at least on ps3, fuck it was rough)
@@bioforest6602 i played the OG months before and i finished it just before the remakes combat trailer released And it honestly made me hate the remake for a while after seeing that combat trailer
I don't recommend it, just because if you don't want to play a retro game, you don't have to. I just wish the originals were more readily available just because of game preservation.
There is a really weird glitch (or algorithm tinkering) that prevents this video from ending up in my TH-cam history (watched videos).. Which sucks because it's a great video
I was skeptical when the PC version said it recommended using a controller, but the occasional heartbeat vibe when James would get stressed really elevated some scenes for me and upped the creep factor of some of the dark hallways
"This remake does a great job of giving me a second chance to play Silent Hill 2 for the first time" is my favorite comment so far to sum up this release. Well done!
I think all of us in the fan base were nervous; I waited to pre-order until the day before it dropped when I saw that early reviews were positive. It definitely exceeded my expectations and I couldn't be happier.
@@AvalancheReviews💯 maybe Bloober has found their lane in remaking the games that inspired their other releases that didn't quite hit the mark. It's minor, but I loved that they did the "Silent Hill Ranch comic sans" Easter egg; I always appreciate fans giving fan service.
Square jawline. Girls with chubby cheeks are aplenty in the real world. Girls with a man jawline. You see what is the reaction of the world when they saw her design.
@@JDelwynn In the original, they went too far overboard with making her look old, she looks like 40 in the original, no one whos been through abuse and was forced to grow up faster looks 40 at 19 lol
I think they should’ve at least put some form of guard in, maybe just taking less damage like the modern re games, but not outright negating damage (When SH3 gets a remake this’ll def happen)
Eddie totally RFKJr’d that guy in the refrigerator!! The weird thing about SH2 is that all the actors and actresses loved it before it came out, and everyone else will only have ever loved it after. They did all their voiceovers in character while mocapping.
Besides sales and critical acclaim the really important thing the remake achived is reintroducing the franquise to a younger audience, and it worked wonders because the original its still very good and offers a unique experience so the people that enjoyed the remake can go back and play it
You may not get as meny views as you ones did bro but you still make absolutely amazing amazing content bro keep up the grate work and ceep doing what makes you happy 😊.
Thanks dawg! That's exactly what I plan on doing. I figure the right kind of people will find this content no matter what. So I should just keep covering the topics and games that I'm passionate about.
I never wanted a remake of sh2. It's not that I hate it, but I take it just as a fan art on the og, so to say. As some reviewer said ( Boulder Punch? ) Mona Lisa doesn't need a remake.
The truth is that I am surprised that the Boulder Punch video is shorter but that it covers everything in a much better way, especially the story, cinematics and voice actors.
For any in doubt about buying the game. Trust a survival horror fan. Its worth it. Hopefully Will End up selling enough for More SH in the future and more survival horror products in general. Coz this industry needs it. It needs to open up. Go beyond the safe bets like CODS, etc
Thank god dude all my friends and creators were shitting on the game and I loved it and was word wring if I was crazy because nobody spoke about it positively easily my game of the year big fan thank you for your thoughts
I disagree with you're assessment of this remake. I found it to be inferior to the original (This is my opinion): I thought the voice acting lacked subtly and the facial animations look horrendous in motion. The gameplay was literally just a slightly more polished homecoming (Hell the swinging animations look so similar that you could do a side by side). So comparing the gameplay is literally useless because the original is a classic survival horror game with fixed camera angles (Skill issue if you suck at using tank controls). Remake is a third person action horror game that feels more like a silent hill greatest hits a majority of the time. (They included silent hill 3 enemies for f*ck sake) The changes to character's like: Making Eddie a psycho instead of the loser he was. Toning down Maria's sexuality (Which is a good portion of her character, she is a manifestation of james sexual frustration toward his wife.) Angela actually made me dislike her in the remake due to the voice actress (It isnt her fault she was just miscast). The original felt almost mean spirited as you see her breakdown and the voice acting nails it with her becoming spiteful at the lot she had in life. Finally she gives up and you can do nothing for her (With the camera changing to speak directly to the player; You were not good enough to save her. How could you be?). The remake covers the same bases but the scenes seem to lack the same punch. Mary's letter (Enough said) I liked exploring the environments and seeing the enemies in all their glory but I feel the original is lightning in a bottle and trying to remake it is just a losing errand (They should have made an original silent hill game). But I am still exciting for silent hill f and hope it does well.
i'm not sure if this is a hot take but i always preferred how different the other world was in sh2 compared to 1 and 3. It wasn't a clear shift into the other world it was a slow burn and i was upset they made that change with the remake. I love the remake nonetheless
The hotel has a really good subtle transition. In the beginning it’s all nice and clean, then at a certain point it starts to look a little worn down. I remember thinking “wait, it wasn’t like this before?” Then the hotel just got worse and worse.
@@BronsonFan111 I loved how the puddles would build up then the windows and painting wore down in the main stairwell. I would've loved if they had done that more throughout the whole game
Flashlight and radio off actually does work but it only seems to work on legs and nurse, at least for me. You can actually get the nurses with a stealth takedown if you get them from behind without agroing them. It's also a little janky and sometimes they agro when they shouldn't.
In the hospital, there’s a nurse captivated by the glow of a TV. I tried to sneak up on it, but a stupid lying figure saw me and ruined it. Pissed me off so much, but in a way that made me respect the enemy AI and placement more.
@@DanDanger665yeah, I tend to move super slow and poke around corners in these games knowing what the devs are trying to do, so it was really fun to see just how much they like to use really clever ambush scenarios that would even catch me off guard. Though at the same time this also meant I'd sometimes catch legs trying to hide in just... Some of THE dumbest places. Like one trying to hide behind a very thin chair, all crouched down like "bro, I can clearly see you."
What I was really happy about is that unlike the recent Resident Evil remakes, they actually remade the music instead of making a whole new ost. That's always been really impactful for me when it comes to remakes of existing media.
I am a silent hill 2 og loyalist,its literally my favorite game of all time,and i can say without a doubt,that the remake is absolutely amazing. Not as good as the og but i still think it did an absolutely phenominal job and i loved it!
30:41 literally was playing with my boyfriend and he had to tell me on multiple occasions that there was a mannequin i ran past multiple times. caused me to freak out while he was yelling "to your right! no behind that pillar! turn around! its literally right there!" and i just could not see it
I was thoroughly enjoying your review until you started talking nonsense about the culture war. You had a very disingenious "know it all" attitude while refusing to listen what each side is truly saying. Learn from Morgan Freeman next time and stop talking about it.
Nah, I took a rational look at the situation and used examples from the game and the industry at large to support my argument while trying to convince people to be less aggressive while arguing their position. You on the other hand, weren't even able to articulate what part of my argument you disagreed with. One of us sounds like a cunt. The other one's name is Jared.
!!! I thought so much of this game felt like The Last of Us to me! First there is this new twangy guitar during the intro and the combat style feels similar too
While I do think this is a solid remake I still think the original is better overall. It is great for people who have never played the original or for people who just don't like to play older games but something was lost in the translation unfortunately.
The sound design in the remake is incredible as well. Playing with headphones is the best way to play it, as it adds an extra dimension to the immersion and really enhances the experience. For those who aren't able to use headphones, it's still really good through speakers, but it's not quite the same experience.
There’s never been a horror game that had me on edge and tense the whole time like how SH2R did. I relate heavily with having to take a break to chill out especially during the hospital other world section and prison section. I know for some people that could be a negative but for me I like to feel uncomfortable and feel like I’m in fight or flight mode.
A regular Coke is good but sometimes people need a Diet Coke. Pretty much sums up my OG vs. Remake debate. If you want authentic and artsy experienced go with OG. If you want easily consumable media that’s still scary with same story go with Remake.
Smashing windows is a better solution than incongruous smashable boxes lol
This is true
What do you mean, I founded a whole company that puts a box of 2-5 handgun bullets (they fit any handgun ever made, by the way, it's magic) inside another, larger box. Sometimes herbs, too, just to piss off the gun nuts who want more bullets.
Don't forget the yellow paint!
@@Herpusderpus the boxes in the games are always in the appropriate box
But smashing boxes is better than slowly opening 100 empty drawers. 😂
It is good , the og is good, neither game is perfect. Og did some things better than the remake and vice versa. Both can coexist.
I just wish we had a proper HD port on consoles
I think some of the hardcore OG "fans" forget that you CAN like both things... you're not betraying the original by liking the new one, as well
@@jedstuhrThey're anoying,and looks like they felt ofended If somenone enjoys the remake
@@jedstuhr Yes. We saw this same thing with RE4. So many fanboys showed their true colors when the remake dropped. They couldn't handle it was a good remake. It was comparable to the OG but neither better or worse.
I was kinda disappointed they didn't do the opening like in part 2 with the cutscenes.the song kinda set the tone before you start the game
Im only 30 mins in and i dont know if you will mention it , but ive noticed every review channels fails to mention that this remake is actually scary , its genuinely hard to play for long streches becasue it wears on you
I was sweating! Had to take breaks
@kahlilbt it's scary , there only a handful of games that are actually scary for me
Have you played the original game? Because I think you've confused fear with nervous stress from relentless enemy encounters from a game that should be using the atmosphere and music to instill the fear of lonliness.
@johnmirra6707 I did yes , I've played og twice times and this once , when og first came out I thought it was scary but replaying it at the start of covid I found it more funny than scary
@@johnmirra6707I played OG and I’ve always thought Silent Hill 1 and 3 we’re far more scary than 2. I liked 2’s story but never thought it was half as scary as Silent Hill 1
One thing that really surprised me was the sound with the DualSense. The radio static noise SOARS through the controller
As somebody who has that turned off by default, I had no idea this was even a thing!
The radio static is oddly terrifying
I want it to be understood that Silent Hill has ALWAYS had a Dodge mechanic. Even in SH 1, you can push Square Square to do a Dodge maneuver, it's clunky but it gives you some space & lets you dodge some attacks. So the Dodge isnt brand new to this remake, the Dodge is just more fluid.
My thing with the dodge is, while I thought it was kinda silly at first for just some random dude like James, at least it's not some kind of "super soldier dodge roll" like in Homecoming. It's just some awkward jerk out of the way that fits the character more lol
Animation wise, sure. But the dodge does have generous invincibility frames, which does feel like a bit much.
@Zakemaster It kinda needs to or you would be dead 100x over before you got 1/2 way through with how aggressive and tanky the monsters are now.
Bloober team coming out of nowhere with “actually we can make a solid game”
I'm still shook
This is like when the kid who copies someone else's homework gets a B- haha.
It's more like an essay on the same topic. You learn all the same things, but it is different. @@johnmirra6707
I actually enjoyed their other works, The Medium was a good game
I think it's a little disingenuous to attribute game devs changing one face to not look like a model to their catering to a supposed vocal minority.
Angela's face doesn't taper down as much, sure, lots of people just look like that. I find it a little insulting that your two options as for why would be woke gone out of control or a straight up artist's error. Secondly I kind of feel like characters in media should have the option to look like people without it becoming so polarizing. I also wish female characters weren't bearing the full weight of that kind of scrutiny.
I don't get the crowd saying Maria looks like a man.
She's a hottie.
It's a bit of a double standard because no one talks about that with male characters despite so many being ridiculously chiseled and unrealistic. It seems like only women characters are seen like that.
But honestly, as fiction, they should be able to be realistic and unrealistic. It just seems like only female characters are held to that scrutiny
Just finished Nitro Rad's one hour and 40 minutes video and now i'm adding another hour and 10 minutes it seems for this video lol
Yeah I love Nitro Rad & Avalanche long form videos.. 😎
Same here
Both awesome, both with different takes , both right.
Same here. I love seeing and comparing other people's perception of the game and how it compares to mine. Except for the so called fans that consider the remake "woke" and spend their whole videos complaining about imaginary problems 😮💨
@@Oxcymoron Synthetic man immediately came to mind 💀💀
I've been waiting to hear your thoughts on Silent Hill 2 Remake. I'm glad to see your perspective on the game with your thoughts on its pros and cons yet still having perception and self-awareness from where it's coming from. Good stuff as always, Jared 🤘
I watched all your "hidden secrets" videos on the remake
Good stuff 👍
You have a great channel 👍 keep it up SHA 💯
The cons are the entire game nearly. Yes i was stupid enough to buy it againts my better judgement after being burnt out after r.e 4 remake but its no different from any other title. this is like EA's FIFA crisis back there, they are cloning the same titles and rushing them to market.
Thank you so much!!
@@ActionSquintRingore4r and sh2r are both great like the ogs you’re just miserable
Has anyone experienced the bug where a monster is dead but is just standing there doing nothing when you reenter the room? It has no hitbox and it won’t attack either. Scared the crap out of me a couple times.
Had it a few times, it confused the hell outta me
Once when I reentered a room, a nurse I had previously killed was standing for a few frames, but then reverted to dead. (It scared the crap out of me)
Bloober did a damn good job, they knocked it out of the park.
Rosewater
@@phant0mdummyOK.
@1:00
Friendly correction here, Dead Space remake was made on EA's Frostbite engine, and the Callisto Protocol was built on UE4.
Either way, the end result is the same and honestly the devs in the case of all of these games had to have noticed these problems before launch and shouldn't have just said "fuck it".
Hard difficulty is the real deal, scarce consumables and ammo made every encounter terrifying
That's gonna be my next playthrough.
Just makes the enemies damage sponges.. they shouldve just maxed out their damage. In the end it doesnt really matter because 90% of them you can just beat to death with the pipe and save ammo when you get the dodge down
I've entirely finished the original SH2, even got the green hyper spray- back on ps2, greatest hits. I must have hit new game over 100 times, finished it in the dozens. I lost my ps2 due to a housefire, never bought the re-release because of the flaws. I've missed playing this story, so damn bad. Around two months ago, a friend let me come over, and I beat it, getting the In Water ending on purpose. I've now beaten the remake twice.. I don't think there will ever be a need for me to revisit the original again. This remake is my new definitive SH2. Bloober proved my assumptions wrong in the best way.
That's very sad
^
I haven't beat the remake yet, but I take a while on purpose.
However, it made me run the original in an emulator, and I had forgotten it crashes in the apartment buildings.
So now I've got the PC version downloaded and all of the HD footage etc and I have to build it in Wine because I'm on Linux.
But apparently it's the only way to experience the original in HD.
yup. i love the OG but saying it’s better than the remake is crazy. the remake is probably the best horror game i ever played.
Crazy take, but to each their own. Myself I can overlook the original flaws more than I can the remakes. Love them both but just one more so.
I've re-watched every single SH retrospective (again) while patiently waiting for this to drop
I really want to re-do those videos
Did you watch the one from TH-camr “Doctor Disaster” though?
@@AvalancheReviews "Return to Silent Hill Retrospective"
@@AvalancheReviewsI’ll happily watch a re do of the first. One of my all time favs and love your first vid.
@@AvalancheReviewsyou should
I like how they did all of the remake characters except Maria. Her emotional response to stuff just doesn't work for me. Everyone else is A+ though.
I really like the new Maria. The old version felt more sexual in nature. The new version feels like she leveled up, somewhat remembers the original and is trying to be more nurturing like Mary to lure James into a sense of false security.
I have to disagree, I thought the new Maria was a lot more charming and mature than the original.
Angela was the standout for me. Thought she was incredible in the remake. But really all the new actors were great.
@@drakenfistI mean yea to this, but just echoing what sensible people have said and what avalanche said, there’s just discrepancies with her vocal delivery and emotion at times, especially the Anyways part. And now I’m more understanding once he mentioned that bloober mightn’t have gotten the technology down yet. Which still doesn’t ruin the game for me, it’s just glaringly obvious.
I hope we get a remake of the first one
With the success of this one, im pretty sure its in the works. The 3rd one as well hopefully.
This retrospective series is how I found the channel, happy to see a new entry and a positive one at that after the rough state the series was left in
In my restless dreams, I see an Avalanche Review...
Golf clap
@@AvalancheReviews haha, love your reviews man!
Hehe my thoughts exactly😅. I really enjoyed this review
Fantastic remake that did some things actually better than the OG, and some things worse. Both games stand up well together.
Without spoiling, could you elaborate? I'm still on the fence about playing it as i'm a huge fan of the original.
@@----248 i played the OG at launch and its one of my fav games of all time, cant tell you how many times i replayed it.
BUY IT...trust me on this. in my opinion it improved on the OG in many ways and did just some things abit worse, which can be somewhat mitigated imo.
this remake is a masterpiece and as a remake, its better than both resi evil remakes by miles, it kept all the goddamn puzzles ffs unlike the re remakes.
just buy it. its a magnificent game and frankly i want to show konami that silent hill is still a strong IP.
@@flamingmanure Okay but in what way it did better/worse? What aspect changed?
@@----248you should play it BECAUSE you’re a huge fan of the original
@@TheDarkjedi94 🤣🤣🤣 You guys are killing me for real. I just want to know what is different and what have been improved. I dislike to play remake of games i have already played if they aren't different enough. I have a huge list of game i want to play and my time is very limited.
Silent hill retrospective intro is GOATed iconic
Hell yes it is!
I like the whole purgatory aspect of the sh2 remake. It’s neat that James probably repeated the cycle a couple times until he finally took accountability for his actions and moved on breaking the cycle.
He never does. James is forever trapped in Silent Hill, reliving the same emotional pain and psychological torment, even if he physically leaves the town.
That's depending on the ending you get, but also, debatable.
@@phant0mdummy aren't you precious? 'Debatable,' they say. Honey, the only debate here is which flavor of trauma James gets to savor. The OG creators laid it out: all endings are canon, which means James is screwed six ways to Sunday no matter what. Whether he's trapped in town or 'escapes,' those scars are permanent residents. Silent Hill: where 'happily ever after' means 'eternally messed up.'.
@@RoguesRetroWhy can’t “Leave” be the last ending, where the loop is finally broken? Genuinely interested in your perspective, but please hold the condescending tone
@@kahlilbt Silent Hill isn't a spa retreat - it's the Hotel California of psychological trauma. 'Leave' ending? More like 'Delusion' ending. James can check out any time he likes, but he can never truely leave. Those creators aren't selling happily-ever-afters, they're dishing out lifetime subscriptions to PTSD Weekly. They have stated that they want you to choose. Masahiro Ito stated that "all of the endings are canon.".
Hot take: there are only 3 real Silent Hill games, and a spiritual successor that's the only one brave enough to keep the torch lit. The rest? Just a bunch of wannabe horror games trying to fill the void left by the OG.
I will say. The hotel part where you have to run around without weapons was infinitely way more panic inducing to me than in the original. I legit had to pause the game for a moment after I got back to the locker to retieve my items because my heart was racing.
For sure! It handled that section so well.
Been thinking about the remake alot (on 3rd play though)
I look at SH2R similar to RE2R.
With both games I don’t feel like they replace the originals or make them obsolete. I feel like I love both the originals and remakes in different ways.
This was my exact feelings.
dont u think remake is way too long
@@sillylittlesheepjax6009it’s not that long if you know the puzzles answers and codes
@@AvalancheReviews Sweet baby inc did in fact consult on this game, so people calling out the desexualization of characters in a game with themes like this, is not irrational "culture warriors". The only thing that's absurd is the amount of money that has been invested in the cause of making fake people less attractive.
@@JarlBarbossaThey desexualized some characters? When that's a key theme in 2? That's...a strange choice, to say the least, and contradictory to the themes
I actually quite love Angela's new design, she looks much closer to Satos original concept art of her. I also love that her face is a little more chubby as that is exactly how my face looked when I was her age before it thinned out. I already loved her in the og but seeing her in the remake with a much more relatable model really put into perspective just how young she is
“and downpour” *shows picture of toilet*
I cannot even begin to explain the roar of laughter that just escaped me.
man, downpour dont deserve that much hate, homecoming does
@@DeezBaeNaeNae nah downpour is worse. I actually legit forgot it existed
Downpour had cool shit going on despite being an overall miss. Homecoming is SH: The Movie: The Game
I love downpour :(
HAAAAAA!
The toilet picture in place of Downpour's art had me cackling like a mad witch. Love it. And I note that all the pictures of Angela in those tweets use the old version of her, not the final model.
I actually do have a nostalgic connection to SH2, but... this is still everything I ever could've hoped for and more. There are things I'd change, mostly the off voice moments and animation moments you mentioned, but overall it feels like an expansion and upgrade to a game I loved. I marvel at Bloober's accomplishment. They were lovingly faithful at every turn.
generally I really enjoy the remake. that being said the tone of line delivery for James and Maria feel very different to the original to which i would say the characterization comes across differently. not bad just different. i hope the remake inspires more people to play the original.
Another shill
the only problem with the original is how hard it is to find for yourself, either emulate or use a site you might get malware from for it and the others
@@greatestnitemare6626another dork
@@greatestnitemare6626 yes he’s such a shill for recommending people to play the OG amazing logic
Oh definitely, Maria in the remake is one of the few negatives I can pin point in the remake - she sounds so bored and disinterested. The voice actress never changing her tone between voicing her and Mary bothers me too, they shouldn't sound EXACTLY the same its supposed to be what takes James in and out of their interactions?
glad im not alone in thinking the facial animation quality was very different across scenes, i also felt like the end of angela's knife scene looked weird when in others she looks great. another one that looked off to me was when laura reacts to james confession, her eyes and even face overall barely seemed to move.
Yeah, it's really strange how it bounces back and forth between looking great and bad.
I've watched and rewatched your SH Retrospective vids so many times that the first thing I thought when I saw the remake trailer was 'damn, Jared's gonna have a field day with this one'.
As the first SH game I've ever completed, I really enjoyed it and look forward to playing the first four games.
Likewise. This was my introduction to the franchise
52:50
James: "I missed the part where that's my problem"
See ? It not that hard to enjoy BOTH the Original and the Remake.
It's actually nice for once to see someone (beside Max Derrat) separates this,treats it as it own game and enjoying this remake for it is while also critique it accordingly instead of constantly comparing it to the original.
Like several content creators who claims they are a "huge fan" only to see them nitpicking the tiniest details and ripped this game a new one just because it wasn't like the original and that's just sad if you ask me.
The Remake is Good, The Original is a Masterpiece and You can enjoy them both individually and most importantly Silent Hill as a Franchise Deserved and Earning this success.
Thanks Jared.
a reimagining always lives on the shadow of the original piece of art, even more if the original is not easily available, not comparing with the original is denying the remake the chance to be more than a translation, a copy or even a modern interpretation...
videogames are the only media that remakes are seen in a good light in general….
@@HuggieWuggiesAre you going to say the original king kong movie from 1933 is better than its various remakes and reinterpretations?
@@Moth-ManRemasters but don't the newer movies win some of the praise for the fact that it takes the original in to a generally better place? that what i was talking about, the remake being compared to the original is both good and bad at the same time.... more good then bad on my opinion....
MAX DERRAT MENTIONED !!!
SILENT HILL MAN 🗣️🔥🔥💯💯💯
This. I've played and finished SH2 both the Original and Remake 4 times. They're both on equal footing in terms of "lightning in a bottle." Which is absolutely remarkable in every sense.
Just wanted to thank the SH community for shouting at Bloober when the initial trailers were released. The models looked wrong and the constant over-acting threw up red flags everywhere. And well done Bloober company, listening to fan feedback and improving the game. The result is 1M sales in the first 4 days - everybody won!
SH 2 remake was done very well despite some nitpickings.. i really enjoyed the game alot. It doesn't replace the OG but pays respect to it in a genuine way.. after finishing the remake twice im back to enjoying the OG again as well.. both games can exist
Bothsiding the Angela debate I think is ridiculous. The crazies talking about how she’s hideous and couldn’t wank to her anymore were far more prevalent and disingenuous than anyone talking about how rape victims are suppose to be ugly. Like come on man, one side clearly was far more numerous and extreme than the other.
The people defending her character model were far more toxic, harassing fans in the process. I wish activists left this hobby. They've made it a nightmare. People have been critical of character design changes going back to the nes but now activists have to make it a battle.
@@themeangenethat is absolute garbage, I literally saw posts of people crying because they couldn’t wank to the r*pe victim anymore. You’re as delusional as a Trump voter if you believe otherwise.
@@themeangene delusional.
Hopefully now that we got SH2R we can get over the "Silent Hill is about trauma" trend we been on. Lets get back to the game being about the cult. The town simply uses personal trauma, regrets, ect to induce the paranormal delusions and hauntings.
people on social media are just making post about how maria is Wife material and James is "him" memes..... i'm too old for this stuff man lol
This is really interesting to me because the thing that made me love the original Silent Hill 2 is specifically that the town’s lore is secondary to how the horrors manifest as metaphor for our protagonist and the various characters. I really don’t care to learn the history of the town so much as I like seeing how it works as a force that affects people who have to go on their own journeys.
Knowing that, I wonder if the rest of the series isn’t going to be for me. I kinda liked the self contained nature of 2 and kinda thought I’d get more of that if I played the other ones.
@omstar01 agred, i like the other silent hills (especially love SH3) for different reasons the SH2
Kind of hard disagree, cults are really hard for me to take seriously because humans aren’t scary. I think the first game did it the best and should also draw inspiration for future games:
There really is no cult. What you’re witnessing is the aftermath of an idiot cult that messed with things far beyond their comprehension and Marry Hason has to deal with the aftermath.
@@HuggieWuggies new horror fans from REmakes wave and it consequences
Serious question: Am I the only one who had fun with homecoming? I hear a lot of people hating it and I dont really understand why. It was the first Silent Hill that got me to the series
I don't care what anyone says , I enjoyed that game . Sometimes you have to shut out the noise.
I liked homecoming just fine I've only completed it twice as opposed to the 20 or more times for most of the rest of the series but it has its merits , downpour on the other hand I've tried so many times and never finished it
@darran311 didn't Downpour have that stuttering graphical thing going on? Maybe it was just my PS3 or just my copy of the game.
@robertlawrence4719 I have it on PS3 and played it on 3 different PS3 consoles and got stuttering so it's the game being shit ....
I think that people hate it more than they should because of the other games that precede it. Otherwise, it is a solid game.
Silent hill fans try not to be insufferable and nostalgia blind challenge: Impossible
*cough *cough Yahtzee *cough
Modern audience: The comment.
yeaaaa i played the OG twice this year before the remake. i really loved it, but the remake is better in almost every way.
@@Balalaika74 He's right though
SH fans has been repeatedly fucked by Konami with a plethora of shitty releases, ports and cash grabs and now we have all this tourists calling us "haters" and "toxic."
SH2 combat was goofy af and SH2R makes it plenty better
It was a joke, there's no Survival if you can literally tank all the enemies with a wooden plank and have at least 100 bullets by the end of the game.
When Silent Hill Homecoming, The Evil Within and The Callisto Protocol came out people said that the combat must be goofy in a horror game or else it cant be scary.
With those games people said that a game cant have good combat and be scary at the same time.
It makes sense since James is a normal guy and it adds to the tension of fights, the decision of whether engaging is worth it or not
I've gotten addicted to the combat in remake. There is a satisfying crunch to the brutality that is even more satisfying than the last of us.
Honestly this remake and the mafia remake are my favorite type of remakes. Ones that knew the homework, had immeasurable amounts of love for the source material but made mild adjustments from years of retrospect and were able to craft as good of a tale with a faithful retelling.
Also really fun to see that both studios (blooper and hangar 13), who had talent but had rather mixed games, were able to create a new fanbase when all the creative wires cross.
That exactly how I feel. You can tell they really came at this from a place of reverence and love.
With all that remake culture, making original games preserved and playable on modern hardware is obligatory. It should be the best excuse to make another remake. Imagine, buying a bundle of original and remake
all i wanted was the SH2 Enhanced Edition on steam....
@@HuggieWuggies yea that will never happen. I mean if you're a true SH fan you will have to suffer like every one else and mod in the enhance edition. There are a bunch of TH-cam tutorials out there to hold your precious little hand.
@@Faded.Visualsi finished the game 2 times with the mod.... i just want a official way to do so...
That's how it should be, but that, unfortunately, is very far from reality. Not even Capcom has done it.
@Faded.Visuals Feel the the condescending tone isn't really necessary there.
Two things can be true:
>SH2's dialogue is good at doing what it's trying to do
>Any attempt to recreate the vibe of the original's dialog was likely going to feel forced, so going for polish was probably the best move all told
It's hilarious reading all the people butthurt over the remake being praised and successful.
Is that it is underselling and Bloober team hasn't been renewed for another sequel?
@@DatcleanMochaJo fastest selling SH game ever and also bloober already told they might go for another remake
@@guilhermewolfman>me when I lie
Selling 1 million units in three days is peanuts. And the Steam player base is at 24,000+ at a 24 hour peak. They had to convince Konami to sell on PC. Imagine how worse the numbers would be.
Also where did you hear that?
Babieno literally never said that. He said they want to continue working on Silent Hill but that doesn't mean they actually will. In fact psu . Com reported on Babieno saying they will continue working with Konami but not on Silent Hill.
@@guilhermewolfman have you actually read the metrics??? or did you just see the article everyone saw celebrating a million units n outselling old sh games that never sold well? ( Yes silent hill excluding the first one actually sold poorly - just breaking a million),,, right now itll be lucky to break 2.2 ,,, which most triple aaa games need to break even ie alien isolation 2.2 million and dead space remake hit 2.5 apparently -both got series cancelled with these sales and despite the ZOMG a million copies article your celebrating ..... sh2 is tracking worse then deadspace remake 2 by steam metrics we have ( we also have the psn sales a 78% increase on steam sales, so were aware of what ps5 could make up for) ,,,, its max is 23 000 at launch and right now it only has 3000 players on steam,,,,,its dead in the water BUT imo sh2 remake was obviously cheaply made, looks little better then ps4 games.... you fans overpraising this 7/10 game just own the haters is even more annoying then the haters
@@user-vc6 lmao you are still so butthurt that new generation will not care abt og but likes remake, it is clear that hurts your little heart
Splendid review as always, thank you very much.
we got an actual decent silent hill before gta 6
sorry, had to make that joke-
No need for the apology. God tier comment
We got Silent Hill before Silksong.
the game was mediocre , generic and lost all the atmosphere of the original. It was hand holding, with all the white cloth, even in the god damn walls, telling you where to go and what to push, lol. so lame. The voice acting is good not great, and some is cringe and so poorly delivered. James is the best voice actor in this remake. Angela and maria are the worst. It’s padded out which makes the few enemy types so repetitive. The bosses are generic, with two turning into mechanical spiders. Pyamid head has become overused and generic and now just looks more dumb than ever. 6/10. it’s no masterpiece.
@@DravenxEyeless never played hollow knight, but that still stings somehow
@@paulwoodford1984 dude i said decent
Loved the video, always enjoy your work. A few things come to mind:
- I think this will serve as a good point of reference for how to do remakes. It’s obvious this team actually respects the original without slavishly worshiping it and it’s genuinely excellent, even with its flaws accounted for.
- If my memory serves, the persistent reticle you mentioned as an option is there as an accessibility option. I’ve seen other games have it and it apparently helps some people with motion sickness.
- One of my favorite little touches is in the scene in theater with Eddie eating pizza. The look he gives James after he remarks about getting his appetite back was chilling for me because even if I didn’t know the game’s story, I know that look because I’ve gotten that look and, sadly, I’ve given people that look. It’s so obvious that Eddie takes anything and everything as a personal attack, regardless of if it’s meant that way. It’s a small thing and maybe I’m over analyzing it, but I appreciated that detail.
Wow. I did not believe you would be able to give this remake a fair shake. Kudos to you, being more open than lots of other old time SH2 fans.
As someone who never managed to play through the game because I never had any PlayStation (and only played SH1,3 and 4 on friend's consoles) and when it came out on PC it just felt too old and dated visually and in gameplay, I am genuinely glad that I get to experience this story now in a new updated version.
I've been quite critical with your approach to a few reviews and especially genre definitions in the comments on other videos, but credit where credit is due. Good job.
I agree about Angela, but you got to admit that they definitely reduced the sexiness of Maria's outfit. I am never angry about stuff like that though, like you I prefer to be rational about this, but I notice it, just like you mentioned, it is catering to a small but vocal group.
11:05 Agreed , and the fantastic facial capture work for James's actor was phenomenal..
Heaven's Night and the drink..
Confronting Mary on the bed.
Confessing to Laura.
All of those performances from James were pretty captivating .
14:20 But then you have original moments like these , that blow the remake out of the water.. Hand drawn facial animations and expressions , and to me with the combined original voice acting is the chef's kiss.. The fog , the music , just yes please
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It was good, padded and definitely too long, but way better than I could've imagined
I’m in the weird place where I agree it’s overly padded and yet like the padding.
Apparently when it comes to games, I’m a chubby chaser.
Padded out? Hell yes. So much that I got bored stiff halfway through the hospital and haven’t bothered to pick it up since. It’s more of an action-adventure grind than a horror game now, totally missing the whole point of Silent Hill. The original wasn’t about flashy combat or endless side quests; it was about making you feel trapped, isolated, and freaked out by things you couldn’t quite see or understand. This remake just drags on, throwing in action for action’s sake, killing the tension that made Silent Hill 2 unforgettable. Very glad I got my refund.
I was watching an LP and the apartments dragged on forever. Jesus Christ did they pad it out
@@RoguesRetro Sounds like you don't know what you're talking about here and it really shows.
@@RoguesRetrobeing deliberately ignorant just so you don't have to admit something is sad. Cry us a river. Your take is beyond brainless
To me, the combat is much more difficult and engaging than the original.
The mannequins are a real stand-out. Their hiding spots can be surprising, and you're never more closely-matched with an enemy than with the mannequins. And then...the spider-mannequins change it up altogether. You can tell they were worried they had made them too difficult because they seem to be easier to kill. But they can be hard to locate before they jump you.
The game could genuinely stress me out, but I have it blasting through a subwoofer and 6 speakers.
I think the remake scares me more than the original did when I was 12, but it's hard to be certain.
I love it. I'm about 66% done, and I did notice the sexuality with Pyramid-Head has been toned down. The closet scene, and even the first fight are missing the most disturbing aspects.
babe whats wrong? you barely touched your avalanche reviews
New to SH, I plan on playing the original SH2 after I beat the remake, so far I like everything about it from gameplay to music.
Hope you have fun! The original is a real treat and it's great to see someone new to the franchise having fun
My only complaint with the guns in the game is that the recoil animation is piss weak. Way too slow. Needs to be far snappier.
Gotta say, Bloober nailed it
I see a lot of people trashing this remake, but I think it’s pretty great. They both are!
I just want a shitty, barely playable PS2 port that streams over PS+, locks up gameplay every seven minutes, and the widescreen margins say lorem ipsum in a silent hill font.
I like original SH2 simply because its voice acting is fantastic. As a middle school kid the original ending made me ball like a baby.
The remake has lackluster voice acting for Mary/Maria, and that ruined the rest of the game for me because she was the heart and soul of what made that original so great. I still don’t think we’ve gotten voice acting that good since.
I disagree. The remake has way better voice acting. The original was good.. for its time.
The leave ending has no weight, the voice acting is atrocious.... far worse than the rest of the game for some reason... they not only delivered flat acting, but they cut half of the lines off.
Completely agree with you
Bullshit.
Finally an opinion worth listening to.
I was hoping and hoping for this video. Hell yeah!
Man, fuck twitter. Any artist can make their character look whatever way they want. Even a crappy dev like Bloober.
Thank you so much for saying what you did about the voice acting. I thought I was taking crazy pills with all these reviewers saying that the voice acting was way better and the script was way better in the original and I just felt like I was going insane because the line delivery was just so much better and they made things so much more subtle in some scenes where it was just too damn fisted originality
Played the first Silent Hill when it came out on the PlayStation and I’ve played every subsequent title since. The remake was absolutely incredible. Truly superior to the original imho.
The game was so unrelenting and intense and truly mastered the formula for a new generation.
The OG SH2 felt too much like a parody of an American town/people in many ways. The dialogue and even the music felt like what an outsiders would think it should sound like. The remake was much more convincing.
ITS HERE 😱
I don’t think a one to one remake would’ve been ideal at all, that only gives credence to it trying to replace the original. Remakes changing things up and being more of an adaption of the source material is generally better and what makes both able to coexist so well
The Observer was a good game so I am glad Bloober got the chance to make a AAA title.
I always wondered if all the Bloober Haters, ever played that game. It literally is a Baby between Cyberpunk 2077 and Silent hill
Sick what build did you go with? Stealth or something more combat oriented. M?
@@phant0mdummy I tried to be a stealthy detective.
@@7RicolmE7 I think most of the Bloober haters are the kind of people that think that a game cant be good and scary if you dont need to worry about getting killed all the time because thats how it was in Bloobers old games.
Observer is their only good game haha. But honestly I think Bloober doesn't understand horror and I don't think they understood sh2 and just made an re2 remake clone with an sh2 skin.
Ayyyy hell yeah! I knew you were encountering audio issues when recording footage (i had similar issues when plugging in/unplugging headphones), so figured it might be a bit before we get a video. Stoked this is out in time for Halloween 😎 great video, man.
Sooo…what’s Boulder Punch’s deal?
This game hurt him and Under the Mayo. They’ve never mentally recovered.
He just doesnt like it
@@chandlerburse nah bro got a vendetta
@ idk i ragged on Mayos podcast because i just personally dislike Mayo and honestly i am just a PoS sometimes.
Really hate his Arkham Knight video
@@chandlerburse under the mayo is the joke of the reviewing community and for good reason
After I played through my entire first run (on PS5), I give the game overall an 8/10. My biggest detractors were:
1. Performance: I always opt in for higher frame rates as I hate choppiness anything below 60 fps. The picture looks beautiful but the artifacting, the god awful ghosting, the very muddy look of a lot of textures to try and give us 60FPS and yet, on average be getting 45-50 tops.
2. The facial animation - I wholeheartedly agree on the scene with Maria who audibly is distraught but you would never be able to tell by her face. Sometimes the emotions are spot-on; other times I’m scratching my head at the lack of emotion. The conversation with Laura after you watch the tape was another example. Laura looked like she was straight up smiling and laughing when she’s supposed to be crying and upset. I can’t quite understand why it’s so 50/50 with the facial animation.
3. Maria - I don’t find her subtlety in the remake as an improvement. I always pictured her sultry, flirtatious and giving off bad-intention energy. The labyrinth scene sounded awful compared to the original in my opinion. The way she said, “I’m not your Mary” was a let down compared to the original. I’m glad they gave us the cameo of her original outfit but why not just give us the original? James, Laura, Eddie and Angela were all pretty much exact 1-1 copies. Why make the one character whose entire existence is to appear sexual be less sexy? When I see Maria, I picture a smirk on her face, bedroom eyes and very arched eyebrows. Someone you would never trust despite their allure.
Angela - I’m pretty satisfied by her look and I have no qualms with her face or how “sexy” people wanted a SA victim to appear. However, I did picture Angela to appear emaciated like a girl who tortured herself from her past trauma through things she could control, like food intake. Like sunken in cheeks, hollow circles under the eyes, cut marks from her knife, etc. It’s a small gripe that’s not hugely important, just how I visualized it.
A lack of unlockables - I know Silent Hill 2 didn’t have a lot of unlockables and it was really more of a trait of Silent Hill 3, but I would’ve liked different costumes or perhaps an overpowered weapon after beating the hardest of difficulties. I hate the chainsaw since it’s so loud, a magnum would’ve sufficed. Or even just more gag items that would add to the silliness, not just a cardboard pyramid head or dog head through preorder bonuses and/or digital purchases. Even if it was paid DLC I would’ve bought it to make subsequent playthroughs more fun.
Overall great video, I agree with most of what you said and I’m always happy to just hear you talk. Your voice has this appeal I can’t quite describe but it’s calming and perfect for the informative approach you take to your retrospectives. Can’t wait for the next one 🥰
Side note: Am I the only one that thinks the head sizes were too large? It added an uncanny valley to the characters, like a bobble head if you will.
You might not be the only one because they just changed Maria's head size in update 1.04
I'm glad that I was wrong about this remake, but I'd still reccomend people play the original 2001 game first. And seeing people crap on it, either to clown on the vocal minority of old heads or because they're too closed minded to try to comprehend something that isn't like the homogenized playstyles of modern games is disappointing to me.
But overall, I'm happy with how it turned out. Even with my nitpicks.
the amount of people just actin like the remake is the second coming of Jesus and that the Original is unplayable is infuriating, a little of my unlinking of the remake comes from the new people that hate the original and want a remake of everything because downloading 2 files on any pc it’s to hard....
@@HuggieWuggieswell, not everybody has a pc and idk if you’ve checked but this game is running for about $200 for original copies. The only other option for console is HD collection and I think we may agree that is not the preferred SH experience (at least on ps3, fuck it was rough)
@@bioforest6602 i played the OG months before and i finished it just before the remakes combat trailer released
And it honestly made me hate the remake for a while after seeing that combat trailer
I don't recommend it, just because if you don't want to play a retro game, you don't have to. I just wish the originals were more readily available just because of game preservation.
@@JDelwynn recommending it isn’t the same as saying “YOU HAVE TO PLAY IT OR ELSE” dude
There is a really weird glitch (or algorithm tinkering) that prevents this video from ending up in my TH-cam history (watched videos).. Which sucks because it's a great video
The performances in the remake are far more believable than the original.
I was skeptical when the PC version said it recommended using a controller, but the occasional heartbeat vibe when James would get stressed really elevated some scenes for me and upped the creep factor of some of the dark hallways
"This remake does a great job of giving me a second chance to play Silent Hill 2 for the first time" is my favorite comment so far to sum up this release. Well done!
I think all of us in the fan base were nervous; I waited to pre-order until the day before it dropped when I saw that early reviews were positive. It definitely exceeded my expectations and I couldn't be happier.
Yeah I was very skeptical. Not only did it blow past my expectations, but it proved to be a really solid horror game on its own.
@@AvalancheReviews💯 maybe Bloober has found their lane in remaking the games that inspired their other releases that didn't quite hit the mark. It's minor, but I loved that they did the "Silent Hill Ranch comic sans" Easter egg; I always appreciate fans giving fan service.
To this day I don’t see what’s wrong with Angela’s model except that one bad trailer shot lmao, but couldn’t agree more with the video!
Square jawline. Girls with chubby cheeks are aplenty in the real world. Girls with a man jawline. You see what is the reaction of the world when they saw her design.
@@anglo-saxonconnor817she really doesnt look that bad at all and they updated her appearance anyways already
It's better than the original, she's sounded and looked way too old the OG.
@@JDelwynn In the original, they went too far overboard with making her look old, she looks like 40 in the original, no one whos been through abuse and was forced to grow up faster looks 40 at 19 lol
Maria's bothers me more than Angela's, anybody else feel like Maria's head looks oversized on her body? Or they made her shoulders just really small?
1:00:00 Not saying that Dead Space Remake is exempt from UE5’s issues but DSR wasn’t made with UE5, it’s actually running on the Frostbite engine.
I'm just glad they didn't ham-fist a parry system into this game, its become the industry standard for pretending to have "deep and complex" combat.
I think they should’ve at least put some form of guard in, maybe just taking less damage like the modern re games, but not outright negating damage
(When SH3 gets a remake this’ll def happen)
@@oliverpease6719 The game already has dodge with crazy i-frames.
@@oliverpease6719 that would make it too easy
Eddie totally RFKJr’d that guy in the refrigerator!!
The weird thing about SH2 is that all the actors and actresses loved it before it came out, and everyone else will only have ever loved it after. They did all their voiceovers in character while mocapping.
Needed more combat rolls
What's the ost called at the beginning of the video? The piano theme.
Besides sales and critical acclaim the really important thing the remake achived is reintroducing the franquise to a younger audience, and it worked wonders because the original its still very good and offers a unique experience so the people that enjoyed the remake can go back and play it
Yes, obviously the new generations are going to try the previous titles, sureee.
You may not get as meny views as you ones did bro but you still make absolutely amazing amazing content bro keep up the grate work and ceep doing what makes you happy 😊.
Thanks dawg! That's exactly what I plan on doing. I figure the right kind of people will find this content no matter what. So I should just keep covering the topics and games that I'm passionate about.
I never wanted a remake of sh2. It's not that I hate it, but I take it just as a fan art on the og, so to say.
As some reviewer said ( Boulder Punch? ) Mona Lisa doesn't need a remake.
The truth is that I am surprised that the Boulder Punch video is shorter but that it covers everything in a much better way, especially the story, cinematics and voice actors.
For any in doubt about buying the game. Trust a survival horror fan. Its worth it. Hopefully Will End up selling enough for More SH in the future and more survival horror products in general. Coz this industry needs it. It needs to open up. Go beyond the safe bets like CODS, etc
Thank god dude all my friends and creators were shitting on the game and I loved it and was word wring if I was crazy because nobody spoke about it positively easily my game of the year big fan thank you for your thoughts
To be honest that is very strange, it is literally more difficult to find negative reviews of SH2 remake than positive ones.
I disagree with you're assessment of this remake.
I found it to be inferior to the original (This is my opinion):
I thought the voice acting lacked subtly and the facial animations look horrendous in motion.
The gameplay was literally just a slightly more polished homecoming (Hell the swinging animations look so similar that you could do a side by side). So comparing the gameplay is literally useless because the original is a classic survival horror game with fixed camera angles (Skill issue if you suck at using tank controls). Remake is a third person action horror game that feels more like a silent hill greatest hits a majority of the time. (They included silent hill 3 enemies for f*ck sake)
The changes to character's like:
Making Eddie a psycho instead of the loser he was.
Toning down Maria's sexuality (Which is a good portion of her character, she is a manifestation of james sexual frustration toward his wife.)
Angela actually made me dislike her in the remake due to the voice actress (It isnt her fault she was just miscast). The original felt almost mean spirited as you see her breakdown and the voice acting nails it with her becoming spiteful at the lot she had in life. Finally she gives up and you can do nothing for her (With the camera changing to speak directly to the player; You were not good enough to save her. How could you be?). The remake covers the same bases but the scenes seem to lack the same punch.
Mary's letter (Enough said)
I liked exploring the environments and seeing the enemies in all their glory but I feel the original is lightning in a bottle and trying to remake it is just a losing errand (They should have made an original silent hill game).
But I am still exciting for silent hill f and hope it does well.
i'm not sure if this is a hot take but i always preferred how different the other world was in sh2 compared to 1 and 3. It wasn't a clear shift into the other world it was a slow burn and i was upset they made that change with the remake. I love the remake nonetheless
It did do a gradual shift though. Like in the hotel, you would gradually see it get more and more run down before it went full burnt out husk.
The hotel has a really good subtle transition. In the beginning it’s all nice and clean, then at a certain point it starts to look a little worn down. I remember thinking “wait, it wasn’t like this before?” Then the hotel just got worse and worse.
@@BronsonFan111 I loved how the puddles would build up then the windows and painting wore down in the main stairwell. I would've loved if they had done that more throughout the whole game
Flashlight and radio off actually does work but it only seems to work on legs and nurse, at least for me. You can actually get the nurses with a stealth takedown if you get them from behind without agroing them. It's also a little janky and sometimes they agro when they shouldn't.
In the hospital, there’s a nurse captivated by the glow of a TV. I tried to sneak up on it, but a stupid lying figure saw me and ruined it. Pissed me off so much, but in a way that made me respect the enemy AI and placement more.
@@DanDanger665yeah, I tend to move super slow and poke around corners in these games knowing what the devs are trying to do, so it was really fun to see just how much they like to use really clever ambush scenarios that would even catch me off guard. Though at the same time this also meant I'd sometimes catch legs trying to hide in just... Some of THE dumbest places. Like one trying to hide behind a very thin chair, all crouched down like "bro, I can clearly see you."
The Remake is a masterpiece, the original is also a masterpiece, one doesnt obscure the other, and the remake doesnt tarnish the name of the original.
What I was really happy about is that unlike the recent Resident Evil remakes, they actually remade the music instead of making a whole new ost. That's always been really impactful for me when it comes to remakes of existing media.
I am a silent hill 2 og loyalist,its literally my favorite game of all time,and i can say without a doubt,that the remake is absolutely amazing. Not as good as the og but i still think it did an absolutely phenominal job and i loved it!
This is about where I am with it
30:41 literally was playing with my boyfriend and he had to tell me on multiple occasions that there was a mannequin i ran past multiple times. caused me to freak out while he was yelling "to your right! no behind that pillar! turn around! its literally right there!" and i just could not see it
Haaaa! They are so damn good and being in the last spot you'd think to look.
I was thoroughly enjoying your review until you started talking nonsense about the culture war. You had a very disingenious "know it all" attitude while refusing to listen what each side is truly saying. Learn from Morgan Freeman next time and stop talking about it.
Nah, I took a rational look at the situation and used examples from the game and the industry at large to support my argument while trying to convince people to be less aggressive while arguing their position. You on the other hand, weren't even able to articulate what part of my argument you disagreed with. One of us sounds like a cunt. The other one's name is Jared.
!!! I thought so much of this game felt like The Last of Us to me! First there is this new twangy guitar during the intro and the combat style feels similar too
The guitar was there in the OG long before TLOU
While I do think this is a solid remake I still think the original is better overall. It is great for people who have never played the original or for people who just don't like to play older games but something was lost in the translation unfortunately.
The sound design in the remake is incredible as well. Playing with headphones is the best way to play it, as it adds an extra dimension to the immersion and really enhances the experience. For those who aren't able to use headphones, it's still really good through speakers, but it's not quite the same experience.
Totally agree! I played the entire game with headphones on and it was insane.
There’s never been a horror game that had me on edge and tense the whole time like how SH2R did. I relate heavily with having to take a break to chill out especially during the hospital other world section and prison section. I know for some people that could be a negative but for me I like to feel uncomfortable and feel like I’m in fight or flight mode.
A regular Coke is good but sometimes people need a Diet Coke. Pretty much sums up my OG vs. Remake debate.
If you want authentic and artsy experienced go with OG. If you want easily consumable media that’s still scary with same story go with Remake.