Is a Carli Suspension Torsion Sway Bar Worth It?? Carli VS Stock Sway Bar
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Ever wondered if the @thecarlisuspension torsion sway bar is worth it? We set out to find out, putting the Carli Torsion Sway Bar head to head against the factory sway bar on a dirt road. If you've ever wondered how it compares to stock or if it's right for your Ram or Ford truck, this video should answer the question!
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This is an amazing add on. I notice hardly any body roll on the road. Everyone should have this on their truck.
Perfect timing. I was moments away from pushing through an order on a full Carli Commuter kit + torsion swaybar for my '16 RAM :)
Make a video of the towing capabilities with this setup.
Uncle Sam yes please do the J2804 tests! Please!
I'm currently in the middle of a 3000 mile trip with a Lance 2612 toy hauler. 2020 Ram 3500, carli pintop, all the options. 37 inch toyo RT on 17 inch AEV wheels. Drives great. Even crossing Wyoming in that nasty wind. I did remove the FWC grandby for this trip. Weighed in at 19,000 lbs.
Thanks so much for the videos guys!!! Have learned so much! I’ll just have to drive cross country when my truck finally comes in👍🏼🤘🏼
Hands down the best upgrade I've done for my 2012. I couldn't be happier....thanks guys!!
That color!! 😍 Gets me every time.
Great product info,I'm definitely going CARLY with my 2014 RAM 2500..great video
Man these new rams look awesome
And they ride awesome. 😀
i can't wait to get my torsion sway bar. been backordered for a while. i installed the carli commuter kit and performs great on my 2008 dodge ram 2500.
If you guys could do a comparison video of this truck and a customers truck with n AEV lift, that would be amazing. Go over pros and cons, loaded and unloaded. Thanks for the videos, you guys are great.
Put one on my 04 3500 Ram, love it. Ride is much better, also running a thuren leveling kit with 2.0 fox shocks.
I’m running a Thuren sway bar on my 2012. The end links are fixed with zerk fittings. Works great 👍🏿
Dick, is that something you had to add with the Thuren system? I was thinking about purchasing the Thuren Sway bar is why I ask
What would have been a good test indicator on the amount of bounce/jolt encountered while going through the bumps is to temporarily tape a bottle of water on the center of the dash quarter filled with colored water. The severity of the bounce will be shown by how violent the water gets sloshed around the bottle. Not fully scientific but close enough for government work ;-)
Great video! I can tell you I’ve run this sway bar on my 2013 Ram 2500. With a king/Carli 2.5 pintop setup and deaver rear leafs. I started towing a 26’ gearbox toy hauler and now a 40’ weekend warrior CR3905 fifth wheel and this sway bar truly can do it all with no issues.
I have over 35,000 miles with my Carli setup and been towing heavy loads several years.
CJC Off-road is 5 star and so is Carli Suspension.
I’m on 3” system running 35” Toyo RT’s
We appreciate the feedback towing with this sway bar!
What kind of issue can you run into running a sway bar and towing?
Beautiful truck sir!
I guess I didn't realize the added benefit this piece provides to ride quality when I ordered my Carli back country kit the first go around. I'm giving you fine gentlemen a call in the a.m. and placing an order to add this super deluxe swaybar to the rig. Great video, Nice edit, relaxing music, got that Kung flu lock down I wana spend some money supporting the homies & make my truck cooler & ride better vibe... Keep um coming! Aloha!
Appreciate the support! It’s definitely a big difference from just one bolt on part!
Appreciate the support! It’s definitely a big difference from just one bolt on part!
I had terrible luck with the sway bar kits. First one was missing mounts and hardware so I got a second kit. The mounts were tight. Extremely tight. I tried dish soap on the bar first with no luck. Gave it a good coat of grease and still couldn't pound the bar through.
If you run threaded rod into the bar, you can run it through a socket or washers and pipe. Spin on a nut then tighten it to push the mount on. No paint or metal damage plus it doesn't kill the bushing.
Dang can’t wait I totally know what your talking about with sudden cab movements going over small obstacles
I have these sway bars with a pintop kit (auto level), 2020 RAM 3500, with a Fourwheel Camper Grandby. Feels great on and off the road.
Sway concerns with Camper Mounted?
@@georgebateman4918 nope... non at all. FWC Grandby is a pop up. Keeps my center of gravity very low.
Is there a particular adjustment that's recommended on the end links for 2.5 leveled vs that 3.25 commuter?
Damn that’s a good looking truck
Awesome man this my next upgrade 17 ram 2500
What tire / rim combo is that? I have a 2020 3500 long bed, looking to put new rims but don’t want them sticking out much
Great to see you with the Power Wagon. What year is it and have you experienced any issues with electronic sway bar disconnect mechanism locking/unlocking? Would appreciate your thoughts.
Is not a power wagon
Cant wait 17-20 weeks to get mine but I believe it will be week worth the wait
Hello, what bumper fog lights are those? Thanks
Believe it or not I think im gonna invents on this same exact set up for my truck
Great video!
Will there be any Carli Sway Bar options available for the 2020 Ford Super Duty?
There already are! You can get them at both Carli lift heights.
what about disconnect able for the power wagon ??
Thumbs up, Awesome!
Do you guys made this sway bar for a 2019 ram rebel ? 1500
Is there a difference between Carlo and thuren swaybar?
Great video, however I recommend exposing for highlights then bringing out the shadows, you were in a difficult dynamic range situation on this video and it was almost distracting, but maybe that's because I do some video editing.....however thanks for the video..
What tonneau cover did you go with?
Whens this truck going to be up for sale?
Will this fit a 2017 2500 with a 5 inch lift. Current fact sway bar intact
Drinking game: take a sip every time Cole says “uh”!🤣 Carli stuff via CJC, hard combo to beat. Two of the best in the biz; I’ve had my Carli stuff on my ‘07 since 2014 and it’s all been rock solid. Only thing I didn’t get was....the sway bar🤦♂️😂 Yet
If your thinking about doing this last, definitely worth doing first.
Even before going with soft ride springs.
The king 2.5 system changed my truck entirely.
That being said the sway bar would have done it for being around town faster
What area are you guys off-roading in?
So you don't recommend running this sway bar on factory wheels? I'm running 35x11.5x20 and get no rubbing.
Can you do a comparison video with the Thuren sway bar? I’ve been torn between Thuren/Carli...Thuren prices are a little lower. I’d hate to call to just bug about the comparisons of the two.
Sadly neither brand would like that since they are direct competitors. Think of it like an IOS vs Android debate, both make a great product that’s basically in a playing field of its own compared to the rest of the competition. Just go with whatever brand you like best!
CJC Off Road fair answer without saying much that helps a lot, thank you and very understandable.
Great video. Nice to see the on-road comparison of ride before and after. I can't honestly say I could see a huge improvement in the sway, but I could definitely see some, even in the exterior shots.
I have to say that this result is contrary to what I would expect. It would seem that stiffer spring rate should result in less roll rather than more. Perhaps the less stiff spring rate helps absorb more roll in the initial reaction to the uneven surface and not 'throw' the front to the opposite side, following the initial roll, as violently as the stock bar with the stiffer spring rate does.
Basically what's happening is a stiff sway bar doesn't allow the one side of the axle to travel up independently of the other. As a result, hitting a one sided bump pushes the suspension up, encounters the stiff sway bar, and then transfers that energy directly to the cab throwing you side to side. With a softer rate sway bar, that one sided hit pushes up, deflects the sway bar spring rate, and allows the suspension to move without the energy being transferred to the cab. The stiffer the bar, the more it transfers a one sided impact to the truck. Picking that perfect spring rate for the bar is a very delicate balance though since it can't be so soft that it allows the truck to wallow and lean on corners, which is where the truck body weight itself influences the suspension.
In my experience 3/4 and up trucks when empty or lightly loaded . Basically anything other than a cab over campe you don't need any sway bars . Mine have been disconnected for years
What wheel and tire combo is that?
Thanks
What's the height of the garage door u parked truck in??? Also the height of the truck??
yeah that was exactly my question.
The door is 8 feet tall and the truck comes in around 7 feet.
is there any situation where you could see running no sway bar?
i haven't ran one on my 2006 ram2500 standard cab, 3 or 4 years ago/since i installed 3" Carli coils and some other things to make it work correctly, along with 35" tires. The body roll isnt too bad and it rides nicely on whooped out sandy trails. though know one i talk to really knows this field of knowledge. im sure a carli sway bar would make my truck much better on the road and possibly the highway but is no sway bar better than a carli sway bar in off road situations like extremely rock or whooped out roads
also cant wait to install my carli ball joints that just came in the mail!
thanks for the great service!
The Carli sway bar is essentially the best of both worlds. It flexes like no sway bar, but controls high speed body roll really well. For testing purposes we’ve run all of our shop trucks with no sway bar, but the Carli TSB just adds that little extra bit on confidence in high speed situations without taking away from the ride anywhere else.
I really pray they do this for the 2011-2016 Super Duties with the leveling systems.
It’s coming finally!
@@CJCOffRoad No way?! I thought they were only doing the 4.5” Torsion Sway Bar for the 11-16’s? They are now doing the leveling?
У меня такой же трак, поставил на него мосты от унимог 424 и колеса 46 дюймов, теперь клиренс составляет 23,62 дюйма, часть компонентов подвески от этих парней! Привет из России
Do you know if this works with the rough country gear box? The torsion sway bar isn’t flush to the frame
We don’t know for sure, but if we had to choose between the two that box brace would be gone!
Does it work for 4x2
Did I miss the video showing how much you trimmed for 38’s? I know how to cut the pinch weld, just would like to see it. Thanks guys!
We’ll probably film it this upcoming week. We had to finalize trimming after some driving time first.
Does this effect anything with towing? Would this lower the ability to handle sway on a travel trailer?
Tows just fine!
This is what I was looking for, but is there an application for 2018 Chevrolet 2500?
Sadly not at this time!
Does the pulling and payload capacity stay stock with the basic carli leveling kit with a track bar, if I add the sway bar?
On a 2019 ram 2500?
Is there one for the f250 2016
What lift do you have
How do these perform on the Ford Super Duty. I have a lifted 2018.
Awesome. Everything from this video applies to the Ford trucks too.
Any idea if Carli Pintop 3.25" will fit on a 2020 2500 with auto rear level?
It will not sadly. Those trucks are leveling kit only for now.
Is this available for 3rd gen trucks? Specifically an 06 with a 6-8” lift. Cheers!
Yep! Carli makes them for 03 to current Ram trucks!
Super curious as to who makes that third brake light!
Here’s a link: www.cjcoffroad.com/GJ-Motorsports-s/2485.htm
Are these necessary on the 2019 power wagons?
No, power wagons have a sway bar disconnect
Does the Power Wagon have a different sway bar due to the electronic disconnect? Will this one work?
It does, so this one will not work. On 19+ Power Wagons, the sway bar is tied into the truck's stability control and electronics, so you will have a check engine/ABS light if you remove it.
Did you swap the drive shaft to a one pice or did it come like that from factory?
The only trucks that get 2 piece props are long bed crew cabs and mega cabs.
what tires do you have? They look great
These are 38/13.5/20 Nitto Ridge Grapplers. 👍
Do they make a rear sway bar for towing too. Thanks
They do not. Carli is all about the ride quality and a stiffer rate rear sway bar isn’t going to help with that unfortunately.
Great video. Question, I have the Thuren 2.0 leveling system with track bar, Fox ATS steering damper, etc.
I’m looking at adding the Thuren Sway bar over the Carli just bc it is in stock; do you get the same benefit with the Thuren sway bar as Carli?
What setup are you using on your truck to fit the 38” tires?
a Carli 3.25" system. We have a video showing the necessary trimming for 38s.
Does this carli bar affect towing performance and retain the tow and payload limits ? Thanks in in advance.
The sway bar has no impact on towing or payload limits.
Is there any difference between the carli and thuren swaybars function wise
Ride quality wise they’re going to be nearly identical!
Can you start with the leveling kit from Carli, then slowly add other pieces like the torsion sway bar a few months later, then the Trac bar a few months after that?
We’re doing exactly that on our shop Mega but starting with the Commuter system! Maybe on a future truck we can do that with a level kit too!
@@CJCOffRoad you can use my truck to showcase!
Possible to replace power wagons disconnect able sway with Carli’s? Digging all the info you guys provide.
No for power wagons it’s either the factory with disconnect, or the Carli full time.
CJC Off Road follow up question, how does the Carli sway bar compare to a Power Wagon sway bar? Would the Carli be an improvement worth the cost? How does it flex in comparison to the Power Wagon sway bar disconnected? Love the videos!
@@chadhill4437 the lockers run through the power wagon sway bar
What we really want to know is, was it cheaper to get your truck appearance on your own or is it cheaper to just purchase the truck with the appearance package
This one wasn't available with it from the factory with the color, so we had no choice, but it's absolutely cheaper to order it from the factory with it.
can I use this on my 2020 power wagon?
Chris Johnston You might be able to. But you’ll loose the electronic disconnecting ability.
You mentioned not using this with a camper setup. Would you say that includes a flatbed with a pop-up type that's lighter? Would be on a '12 3500
On a 3500 with a light pop up you’re fine. We’re more referencing larger cab over style camper set ups since they’re top heavy.
@@CJCOffRoad I'm looking at Carli Pintop Levelng kit and was considering the sway bar, but our camper is 3400lbs and on most of the time and 11feet tall :) That sounds like a no go with this Carli sway bar. Is it better to stick with the stock because of the weight and top heaviness? Trying to smooth out the ride, it's painful right now. Thx!
Never mind, found my answer below!
Just got 2020 ram 2500 cummings turbo desil regular cab beast. Call them winter truck package. Automatic i
8 foot box for the maverick. Way way to many crew cabs its unreal or any x stend cab.
do you have an exhaust on the truck? did you delete all the stock emission stuff? i just bought a 2500 and am trying to figure out what i need to do.
There’s really no reason to delete these new trucks. Ours is totally stock and we plan to keep it that way!
@@CJCOffRoad thanks! I appreciate the respond. I just honestly want the deep exhaust sound. It’s a 2020 and it’s soooo quiet hahah
This may be a stupid question but ... can you put this sway bar on another lift kit ? So I guess what I’m trying to say is if I buy a BDS or any other lift can I put this on or can it only go if you buy the carli kit ?
If that kit uses the factory sway bar, then yep! Just put this in place of the factory bar.
CJC Off Road would it still work if the kit uses a drop bracket ?
How does the Carli compare to the thuren sway bar? I currently have the Carli back country with 2.0 reservoirs with a thuren sway bar
Both brands actually use an identical spring rate for the center torsion bar, so ride in the cab is completely identical. Carli's sway bar does use higher quality steel, frame brackets, bushings and end links, but that also comes along with a higher price tag. If bang for your buck is the goal, go with the Thuren sway bar as it offers the same ride for less money. If you want the best possible materials and build, then go Carli as they do take the win in that category.
Thank you
What if you simply remove the sway bar? My truck did not come with a rear sway bar.
It would lean to be sloppy steering on the street , the upgraded sway bar five guy a nice in between with the added benefit of gaining clearance for larger tires
How does Thuren's sway bar compare?
Very similar in terms of ride quality, but a slightly different overall design.
Can this be used on Power Wagon 2500 trucks?
It can, but you give up the sway bar disconnect from the cab.
Did you regear your truck? If so what gear ratio?
This truck is still on the factory 3.73 gears and we're probably going to leave it that way. It actually drives great!
My 3500 has a 4.5 lift leveling in the front. Do I adjust out the end links the extra 1” and locktite the nuts ??
Does your lift kit use sway bar drops longer end links currently?
I did not install a lift kit. I just installed 4” springs/shocks and new aftermarket control arms, track bar and Apex steering links.
The Carli sway bar kit I purchased was for 0-3” lift. I assumed I could adjust the heim ends to make up the 1” difference.
Is this the olive green pearl coat ?
Yep!
What’s your wheel/tire set up?
20" trail ready wheels wrapped in 38/13.5.20 Nitto Ridge Grapplers: www.cjcoffroad.com/collections/trail-ready-wheels/products/cjc-edition-ram-trail-ready-20-x-9-5-simulated-beadlock-wheel
I would like to send my truck to you shop guys
Can you please put a video together for what you had to cut to put the 38's on?
We’ll film one this week! Had to finalize trimming with the TSB on
@@CJCOffRoad awesome. Thank you. Did you ever attempt to get in touch with ram directly through Dodge cares to see if the could have added night edition to your mega? I want the olive but would prefer to not have to purchase the individual parts. I'll have to add up the mods you did to make it night...do you recall cost for that? Thanks again. Excited for you and this new truck. You seem so pleased with it. Looking forward to following...I have subscribed. This will be my first truck haha... Always had fast sedans...
Sadly as of the 2020 model year, the Olive Green paint and night edition are not something you can order together. We tried and tried! The up front cost of the night edition parts is around 3k, but keep in mind once you sell your stock parts, you’re only out whatever the difference is. In our case it only ended up costing a few hundred dollars in the end.
@@CJCOffRoad hey weird question...
How tall is the tallest point from the ground on this truck? Stock is something like 80 inches, is a 3 inch lift and 38's gonna make it like 85in?
You guys never talked about what engine modifications are on the truck? It definitely sounds like it has aftermarket exhaust so I'm guessing tuned as well?
This truck has a 100% stock engine and drivetrain 👍
Optimal welding in Canada. Got me tuned and deleted. Love it.
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Where can I buy these fog lights 0:55 ?
Likely these.
www.bajadesigns.com/products/Dodge-Ram-2500-3500-Big-Horn-19-On-FPK-Kits.asp
@@Daniel-gf1zj yes, exactly, but what about this plastic frame?
We’ll have that as a new kit on the website in about a week or so! We’ll drop another video explaining the whole set up too.
@@CJCOffRoad Ok, thanks
I'd like to see this set up on a welding rig, or a work truck....A REAL WORK TRUCK. With REAL everyday use not just going to and from on a black top. Like under real abuse. 30mile lease roads, sandy, rocky ROWS, hauling 39ft goose necks, etc. like I said real day to day use and abuse. Yall suspension seems legit but before spending a weeks pay I'd like to see it handle what we throw at these trucks on the oil patch.
Dude you won’t be disappointed you Cant get any better and Carli has life time warranty I know what your talking about as I am a pipeliner.
We have a ton of customers that use these systems to build some pretty crazy welding rigs. It can definitely be done, and there’s nothing more capable for driving lease roads and getting to the job. Shoot us an email and we can show you some welding rigs with Carli suspension on them.
I have about 70k on the back country on my 2016 dually, just put 10k on this month hauling equipment. It takes a beating daily and have never had a problem. Definitely the best of the best. I also take it into the mountains with no issue.
Better get rid of that sa250 if youre gunna be talkin crap💀😂
Can we install this on 2020 Ram 3500 Hemi?
Absolutely!
The truck is gorgeous. I just can’t persuade myself to get a new diesel due to DEF and emissions and I’m afraid to delete as I daily drive hundreds of miles sometimes for my job. If someone can respond to sway me please do. Otherwise I’ll be looking for a 5.9L 3rd gen or maybe a young 4th gen with the non emissions 6.7L Cummins. At least then I will be able to afford a pintop system as the truck will be much cheaper than a 5th gen...your thoughts please.
These new 19+ trucks don’t have the issues that the older ones do. They get great fuel economy, and the emissions system is something you never have to think about until the DEF needs to be filled up. All of our trucks back to 2015 run factory emissions and they work great.
CJC Off Road thank you for this response. If the def runs out while you’re on highway though would the truck shut down or do that 5mph crap?
I deleted mine at 5k miles. Youll have less problems with the truck getting rid of the DEF system
Randomchannel how do you reprogram the truck to know it no longer has the DEF component? I ended up getting a hemi btw I couldn’t find a 3rd gen 5.9L that was in great shape and a new diesel was just too expensive.
do you need sway bar drops?
Not with this sway bar on a 2.5” or 3” system!
Dude where did u buy that truck? Was it a special order to get it in that color?
Look at his previous videos.
Yep we have a whole series going about this build! Give it a watch!
Laramie Sport. Granite metallic. Is the model.. i ordered a laramie thinking it would be colormatched.. and it came with chrome bumper/grill.
Is the 4th gen 3500 SRW this stiff?
Yes Ram uses just as stiff of a factory sway bar on those trucks!
@10:29 does anyone else see the ghost that is haunting the cab of his truck??
Are those 35s or 37” tires ?
37s!
What height lift does this truck have
This truck is on a 3.25" Carli system.
Sorry but when I think of sway bar, I'm interested in lane to lane changes at highway speeds. Does it dive in, does it resist. Also road ruts, does it fight itself. Bump steer when you hit obstacles at low speeds. Otherwise, trail riding is not my concern. Not being a troll, I'm really rooting for American made products that actually work. At 700 dollars, that's a investment for me, not a add on
This sway bar is a slightly lighter rate than factory so it's goal is to improve articulation, compliance, and comfort in the cab. This isn't a stiff sway bar that ruins ride in favor of completely stopping rocking, which is what you'll find from HD sway bars like hellwig etc. Ultimately they serve different purposes. If you want to carry an in bed camper, this isn't the sway bar for you, but if you want to improve ride, drive your truck like a sports car, and smooth out off road driving, this is the way to go. Hopefully that helps!
link to buy please
www.cjcoffroad.com/collections/2019-dodge-ram-2500-3500-suspension/products/carli-suspension-2014-dodge-ram-torsion-sway-bar