I love the way you explain. Your tutorials don't need sound effects, faces, animations, glitz and glam, etc.. Slow explanations, emphasis, and sticky notes are all that matters.
It's in work. There's a lot I want to cover in "Part 2" and I'm thinking I may break it down into 4 parts (4 separate videos) in order to make the information a little more digestible. These videos mean more to me than just putting out Factorio tutorials. I really want to improve my ability to make quality videos which means learning more about editing, creating effects, and taking my time. Thanks for your support and comments they do mean much to me!
That settles it... I'm going to start working on the script for Part 2. Keep in mind that Part 1 took 2 months and I put at least 100 man hours into it... Part 2 shouldn't take that much but we shall see!
The transitions with the last bit of the last word cut out is so awesome. The way you do things is my favorite. I wish other youtubers (or better, you!) did more videos of builds with the circuit network.
Thanks Bro... And yes... I'm working on more Combinator Classrooms but I'm a bit of a perfectionist and I've been having problems getting going with the next episode... Hopefully I'll get another one out soon!
Another brilliant video. Really starting to get my head around using combinators more now. my station system has been a diabolical mess so this implementation is going to be great. Keep it up ShredGuy, these are the best factorio tutorials on the youtubes.
I greatly appreciate the complexity that went into this, but decided to go with a single-headed train network of 1-4's. So far, I've found that 1-4's work at least reasonably well - they carry quite some cargo, have decent performance and their stations still have a fairly small footprint. The biggest advantage of single-headed 1-4's is that you don't have to haul a dead-weight locomotive all of the time (which saves a lot, since 1 locomotive weights the same as 2 cargo wagons). This means that, to get the performance and capacity of a 1-4 in a double-headed train, you'd need a 2-4-2 (which means double the fuel cost, and almost double the train size). Although don't take my word for what's best. The main joy of Factorio is trying out different things and seeing what works. There isn't one perfect way to do it, and even then, something doesn't have to be perfectly optimized to work fairly well.
for ages, i've been playing factorio without using logical systems because i tought i didn't need them and were too much complicated (i've only used in the most basic way, like controlling inserters). as i got boring with the game, i am now finding myself in a completely new gameplay understanding logical systems and how they are actually really simple
YES! Using combinators and the circuit network adds another level to the game. I'm never bored with this game because I always have a new idea I want to try with combinators!!!
@ShredGuy99 so just curious, but why did you decide to stop streaming? I found you very entertaining and learned a lot just from lurking. Anyway, just wanted to ask that question and let you know how much I've appreciated you in the past creating content. What ever is going in your life, I wish you the best dude
Excellent video and explanation, very educational. More videos of practical things like the emergency power SR latch and balanced train station would be great so I can give the red and green wires more purpose in my factories.
I use combinators all over in my factories and 99% of the time it's to make things work more efficiently... 1% of the time they are used for pointless fun things!
Well I have degree in Mathematics and Computer Science (a LONNGG time ago!) but my brain started to melt about 3/4 of the way into this tutorial. When will you do part 2 that explains how it actually works?
Great video! I love seeing someone who is knowledgeable and is willing to tackle the tougher combinator subjects and explain them well. If you have any ideas, I would love to use the circuit network to send trains to a specific refueling station when their fuel runs low rather than have a refueling train go to various train stops.
Unfortunately Dydreth, there's no way of getting trains to do that... At least that I know. For the time being, we are stuck with sending out refueling trains.
these things is quite interesting too show off too friends. And so many are still battled too why they would consider making time for it... Well just like setting up mining stations with trains you can think the same way about the green and red wires :) its complicated but does the work :)
The biggest problem is that most players feel that combinators and the circuit network are too complicated... Don't get me wrong. It can get complicated but most of time my combinator use involves quick simple builds.
For me it's hard to follow because you are saying the main goal, then just what to connect with what, but not why. I couldn't follow the logic because i didn't know what you were achieving with each connection
Great vids Shred - please keep 'em coming! Any chance of a basic intro to the different combinators like you did for the wires and the inserters? Would be of great help for peabrains such as myself :)
Hey Chis, I was originally going to do something like that but I thought it would be better to incorporate the use of combinators in actual builds. Maybe I can find a middle ground and do some simple but useful builds demonstrating how the different combinators work. Thanks for watching and leaving a comment!
I like how the first 3 episodes of this series showed super basic things, then skipped everything that is actually important and then moved to really complex stuff.
Couldn't follow, brain ended up on table, it didn't work. That said, my setup is different, no double headed train, and you never mentioned what signals to use at the parking or on the lights. But seriously, this is not working. I always get one train already heading going ahead and leaving parking only to then stop right in front of one of the stations, where it is of course held up by the signal, because there is still train in there. Does this just no longer work in the new version ? If my trains exit in the front, what do i do with the signals ? The red signal that goes back to the signal near the entrance of your station is also looped to the exit in the front of the station, but that didn't do anything either. 4 wagons per train, 4 stations, 5 trains. Connected all chests on both sides of the track to one pole per station, then to the combinator. Constant Combinator 8K Decider Combinator 32K Arithmetic Combinator 24K Do not have settings for the lights, or the Constant Combinator you have at the parking signal, no lights work. I just spent 3 hours screwing around, with nothing to show for it. Great. This has to be possible. And it should be far easier.
The transitions crack me up. Is that a tribute to something that used to happen in the Stooges movies? (I recognize the tune, but I don't remember the abrupt interstitial card cutting off the last half of the word before it.) Regardless, well done.
Thank You! The tune was clipped from "Swinging the Alphabet" which appeared in "Violent is the Word for Curly." I have absolutely no idea where I got the idea of cutting off the last half of the word... But I don't think it was from the Stooges.
Super awesome video. You can feel the hours of work put into it :) I hope that your chanell and stream are going to grow the fuck up quickly ShredGuy99 ! If someone deserves it it's you.
Hi bud, im trying to follow this to te letter, and I think I got it work, with still some questions, as im trying to understand its workings, rather than copy paste and be done will. I'm trying myself, but would you be wiling to jump into a Multiplayer I set up so you can have a look at it? Also TS available for direct comms
ShredGuy, great series on the combinators and the circuit network. I'm having an issue with this particular build and I'm not quite sure where I've screwed up. I have four stations offloading Iron ore with 5 trains each having 2 cargo wagons. What I"m running into is the Stacker exit will go green without any stations being green. So I end up with a train blocking the exit of the stacker waiting for a station to drop below avg. Did I miss a connection anywhere? Thanks in Advance, you and the rest of the Cracktorio gang have really helped me get value out of Factorio.
Double check the values in the Stacker SR Latch. With your setup, the number in the Decider Combinator should be 16,000 and the "Bias" that goes into the Arithmetic Combinator should be 12,000. Essentially, trains should only exit the stacker if the amount of Iron Ore in the offload drops below 4,000 and should continue to allow trains to exit until the amount of ore in the offload hits 16,000. If that doesn't work, let me know and we'll try to figure out what else could be going wrong.
Hello! Great video! But I have a question. What is the function of the arithmetic combinator in each station which multiplies green signal by red signal with an output of iron ore? I don't understand...
This was extremely helpful! Can you use the same theory to create a condition where a train only leaves the UNLOADING area when a mining station is empty? If you multiple trains but only 1 mining outpost, this would seem the best way to handle it so trains aren't stacking up on the main rail. Also don't want to create a stacker at every singled mining outpost.
I currently trying to figure out a system where once the trains offload, they go to a central output stacker to wait for an open mining outpost. The problem is only releasing as many trains as there are open mining outposts and only sending the right type of train (e.g. Iron Train vs Copper Train).
You can't dynamically program trains so this won't work unless you have universal offload... Which may be possible with bot offloading and offloading trains into active provider chests.
Remember when you were giving advice on your stream for Factorio? Well one thing you said was "don't be afraid to tear it all down and build it again" steamcommunity.com/id/MMIRugNetworkStar/screenshot/200801959114806561 Are you proud of yourself, ShredGuy? Look what you've done!
Hi, can you make a combinator classroom video about oil cracking. When glue, light oil or heavy oil is low create glue, light oil or heavy oil. Otherwise create petroleum. Because you explain so well it would be easy to understand.
Dont hate me but i am coming with some constructive criticism. It would be great if you explained what every combinator do (how are signals processed from one combinator to another and what that does). You said exactly how it should be set, but i would like to know exactly how it works so i can simply go and modify it. Anyway, great vid man, I love this kind of tutorials. Keep em coming please :)
***** Yeah I had some people on the stream say the same thing... My decision to break it into two videos was 1: Some folks like shorter videos 2: Some folks only want to see how to build it and don't care how it works 3: This is the big reason... It takes me about 5 hours to do 1 minute of video. So in order to get a video out now as opposed to two months later, I thought it would be a good idea to break the video up!
ShredGuy99 i have 4 oile tanks at my train stop, each have 1 pump, that's pumping oile to my base. Problem: My train cant unload its oile, because only the first tank is getting used, the other 3 doesn't. Question: How do i circuit the pumps, so they empty the 4 tanks equally into my base?
I probably wouldn't use combinators in this situation... Connect all the tanks together and use one pump to pump the oil to your base. The tanks will then unload evenly.
Hi , I customized your layout for this trains station, I made it so they have exit to not shared like in your case. But I have small problem which keeps bugging me. In your video you said leave a space for one train betwen train stations and train stacker, well I made it same but the trains goes there and sits there insstead waiting in train stacker , can you help me solve this problem ? I want all trains wait at trains stacker not between .
Not really unless the trains are item specific. For example: Iron Train, Copper Train, Coal Train. If that's the case, you can use "pre-stations" in your stacker so the so the trains go where they are supposed to go.
i should have made this now i have to build them alot in a server and the only one know how to make in server but love the build its abit easy but after the 350,697 time its not
I am playing .15 with angels and bobs mod on. Is there a way to transport the entire 75k of liquid (A) out of the same train tanker and fill it with 75k of liquid (B) from the same stop controlling pumps via circuit conditions? (edit It can be done! But its buggy if you get less than 1 and more than 0 because the circuit network sees any fraction of a number as 0)
Sorry I should have been more specific. I'm not trying to use more than the 2 tankers already attached to the train I want to input sludge and pull waste water into the same tankers without adding more cars to the train. So far this is what I have figured out... I need to double up the train stop orders and here is a picture imgur.com/a/IcnWh Another problem Im having is Fluids are not always integers alot of the time Ill have .2 stuck in the wagon I tried multiplying the train station output but I think the circuit system sees .2 as 0 as well and 100X0 is still 0.
In the cart UI you can separate the tanks into separate inventories, this doesn't add any weight and you don't need another car. Honestly I don't understand what you're doing as it looks like you're inputting and exporting the same item at one station.
I understand the splitting UI however I wanted to use the entire 150k capacity that turns into 90k waste (1.2 trailers) which is why it would be ideal to use both tankers Station A: pictured (inputs)creates crystal and slag slurry, and (extracts) processes sulfur waste Station B: (extracts)processes the crystal and slag slurry and (inputs) creates sulfur waste 50:30 Ive got it figured out now to the point that it should work but keep getting stuck by a residual amount
You can separate the individual tanks on the fluid wagon. So theoretically you could move fluid from one tank to another tank at a station. I never have had the need to do this, but it seem plausible. However you can't have an input pump and an output pump going to the same tank connection. I haven't play BobsAngels in 0.15, but this is how it works in vanilla and I wouldn't imagine it's different for BobsAngels.
It's better to not let a train *into* a station than to disable the station itself. Reason being if the unloader is "full", then all the stations will be disabled, causing any train that's on its way there will shut off and give you a "no path" error. At worst, this means you now have a train potentially blocking a whole rail line if it's a shared one, and at best no other ore train(s) can get to the stacker's "safe" waiting area, or leave the ore patch if they're at one. TL;DR A "full" unloader would just become non-existant to trains and they'll stop wherever they may be at the time until the unloader is "low" again.
There's no circuit network necessary. Just add an extra stop just between the stacker and the stations. Name it "Iron ore Staging" or something, that way instead of deciding which station to go to from clear across the map, where they're likely to pick the same one, they pick one that's empty just as they get there.
Nothing will be accomplished by adding an intermediary station. The closest stations will still have priority if empty. Hence NOT a balanced train station.
I know I know... I had to get this video out first and the last few days I've been trying to give my creative juices a little time to regenerate. But thanks for the reminder and I'll work on that next!!!
I've followed this tutorial twice now, but I can't get it to work. The signals to the unloading stations are red. I tried putting in some ores in the connected chests but then the signal flips out and keeps turning it on/off multiple times in a second. The signals are still red when the station is empty. I have no idea whats going on... I've made a blueprint of my setup, maybe if you have time (or someone else) could look through it and see whats wrong? Playing on 0.15.11 vanilla no mods. Blueprint: gitlab.com/snippets/1662522
Seems like that was the problem, thank you so much! I've been looking all over the internet to find a Round-Robin type of train distribution, but all in vain, until I found this tutorial. Anyway, this seems to be working, but I'll have to test around more with my current setup (8 stations, 4 wagons). Thanks again!
The only issue I have with this build is when the stations are already balanced it appears it will cause a condition where trains don't unload efficiently.
I am not sure I understand the logic behind the "Full" quantity condition, as you are closing the station when you have have more than 8k Iron in the whole offload (meaning 2k per station) while each station can store over 14k with 6 steel chests. In other words, it looks like you are closing the station while each chest contains 333 ore =14% of its storage capacity.
I agree with you both. I usually run my train stations so that they are no long available when the storage available is less than the amount a single train will hold and will completely unload a train when available. This makes it so I don't have nearly full trains going back into the rail system wasting fuel and time.
Did someone find a video about a smart loader station on the same case than the video (with more than 1 loader station) to load resources on the most filled station?
You should really explain what you are going to do and what your goal is before you just start saying place this then that and that.... cross the wire there and there.... If you just say "do this" then we stop listening half way through because we can't see where you are going and we won't understand the concept and how to apply it to our own situations.
Or.... you can watch the video that explains logic gates and get a basic understand of basic logic net working. Honestly, if you do not know what and or and xor does... you really should just be a xerox pleb. Don't give him guff because you didn't head the advice he clearly states at the beginning if you do not know about these things.
I agree that this episode got a little more complicated a little sooner than I would have liked. And I made this build a lot more complicated than it really needs to be so it would work in my base. Hopefully it will all "de-complicate" a little with the next video where I jump into why this works... And why I needed it to work this way. That being said... There are a few key "Mini" combinator concepts to really try to understand: The signal inverter (11:32) The signal isolator (5:31) The SR Latch that controls when the trains leave the stacker. This SR Latch works a little different than the SR Latch in Episode 4 so it's worth taking a closer look at both and understanding, not only how they work, but the differences between the two. (2:56)
aboriani yes and no. If you lock each stop, then locking the standby (where you put the chain signal) becomes redundant, but it serves as a way to lock the whole station down when it's full.
hmmm...love circuit netwrok things..shame you dont have AI's as a next step but considering any 'train hold' would have to be made part of the 'secured' complex..or guarded in its own right.. or risk havieng you stuck with a bunch of trainlees carts and bitters swarming around em. and that all that 'average' input still might risk a brief 'reduced' flowto the foudneries and so forth ...well ,i'd say use the extra materials to just make a large enough safe station with extra stopign space beffore the actuall unload to 'act' as a train stacker ,they all sit ncie and safely with ther loads in your main complex steadely feeding it in 99% of all cases sicne generly if yo uhave say 5 trains ala 5 carts+ each at most 2 will be out to refill at ther armed minning outposts ..givieng a ncie and steady flow for well anything under a 5 belt production line or ?
Namoth the actual average part should probably be changed around. Locking a station until it has room for a full load it's probably a better route, but I can see using the average would help if the trains have a long way to go and will probably be able to unload with little slow down during the wait.
This will definitely reduce the number of combinators needed in a lot of builds... But may increase the complexity of combinators builds on a whole... Either way it is Exciting.
False on "masters degree"... True on "waaaay to much time to play" "Properly" is subjective. Remember it's a game... Have fun... But also try to be creative and push your builds.
I'm blown away from the quality of this tutorial! please make part 2, so I can understand what you were doing!
I love the way you explain. Your tutorials don't need sound effects, faces, animations, glitz and glam, etc..
Slow explanations, emphasis, and sticky notes are all that matters.
It's in work. There's a lot I want to cover in "Part 2" and I'm thinking I may break it down into 4 parts (4 separate videos) in order to make the information a little more digestible. These videos mean more to me than just putting out Factorio tutorials. I really want to improve my ability to make quality videos which means learning more about editing, creating effects, and taking my time. Thanks for your support and comments they do mean much to me!
These are by far the best factorio tutorial out there. Great work. So, now I'm begging for "Part 2."
That settles it... I'm going to start working on the script for Part 2. Keep in mind that Part 1 took 2 months and I put at least 100 man hours into it... Part 2 shouldn't take that much but we shall see!
you are the first person i've come across that explains this well. Thank you!
The transitions with the last bit of the last word cut out is so awesome.
The way you do things is my favorite. I wish other youtubers (or better, you!) did more videos of builds with the circuit network.
Thanks Bro... And yes... I'm working on more Combinator Classrooms but I'm a bit of a perfectionist and I've been having problems getting going with the next episode... Hopefully I'll get another one out soon!
cant wait for it man :D
Another brilliant video. Really starting to get my head around using combinators more now. my station system has been a diabolical mess so this implementation is going to be great.
Keep it up ShredGuy, these are the best factorio tutorials on the youtubes.
Thanks! Now time to start working on part 2.
Very well done :) Excellent use of combinators!!
I greatly appreciate the complexity that went into this, but decided to go with a single-headed train network of 1-4's. So far, I've found that 1-4's work at least reasonably well - they carry quite some cargo, have decent performance and their stations still have a fairly small footprint. The biggest advantage of single-headed 1-4's is that you don't have to haul a dead-weight locomotive all of the time (which saves a lot, since 1 locomotive weights the same as 2 cargo wagons). This means that, to get the performance and capacity of a 1-4 in a double-headed train, you'd need a 2-4-2 (which means double the fuel cost, and almost double the train size).
Although don't take my word for what's best. The main joy of Factorio is trying out different things and seeing what works. There isn't one perfect way to do it, and even then, something doesn't have to be perfectly optimized to work fairly well.
for ages, i've been playing factorio without using logical systems because i tought i didn't need them and were too much complicated (i've only used in the most basic way, like controlling inserters). as i got boring with the game, i am now finding myself in a completely new gameplay understanding logical systems and how they are actually really simple
YES! Using combinators and the circuit network adds another level to the game. I'm never bored with this game because I always have a new idea I want to try with combinators!!!
@ShredGuy99 so just curious, but why did you decide to stop streaming? I found you very entertaining and learned a lot just from lurking. Anyway, just wanted to ask that question and let you know how much I've appreciated you in the past creating content. What ever is going in your life, I wish you the best dude
Excellent video and explanation, very educational. More videos of practical things like the emergency power SR latch and balanced train station would be great so I can give the red and green wires more purpose in my factories.
I use combinators all over in my factories and 99% of the time it's to make things work more efficiently... 1% of the time they are used for pointless fun things!
perfect timing. just started a train based map and this will help. thanks for it! keep them up!
Trains are a "train load" of fun!
You went there... haha
Waiting for ep.6 :) good work though. I really appreciate your help. Build something similar in my factory and it worked really well.
Well, that would explain why I couldn't find part 2. It doesn't exist, after almost a year. :/
Well I have degree in Mathematics and Computer Science (a LONNGG time ago!) but my brain started to melt about 3/4 of the way into this tutorial. When will you do part 2 that explains how it actually works?
I've been waiting to see if anyone wanted to see a part 2... You and one viewer from my stream seem interested so I'll start working on the sequel!
Actually, George Smith below asked about a month ago. :)
Great video! I love seeing someone who is knowledgeable and is willing to tackle the tougher combinator subjects and explain them well. If you have any ideas, I would love to use the circuit network to send trains to a specific refueling station when their fuel runs low rather than have a refueling train go to various train stops.
Unfortunately Dydreth, there's no way of getting trains to do that... At least that I know. For the time being, we are stuck with sending out refueling trains.
That's what I had heard, but I figured if there was a combinator workaround you'd know about it. :)
these things is quite interesting too show off too friends. And so many are still battled too why they would consider making time for it... Well just like setting up mining stations with trains you can think the same way about the green and red wires :) its complicated but does the work :)
The biggest problem is that most players feel that combinators and the circuit network are too complicated... Don't get me wrong. It can get complicated but most of time my combinator use involves quick simple builds.
For me it's hard to follow because you are saying the main goal, then just what to connect with what, but not why. I couldn't follow the logic because i didn't know what you were achieving with each connection
He was going to cover it in the next installment. Some day....
I love that professor!)))))
Great vids Shred - please keep 'em coming!
Any chance of a basic intro to the different combinators like you did for the wires and the inserters? Would be of great help for peabrains such as myself :)
Hey Chis, I was originally going to do something like that but I thought it would be better to incorporate the use of combinators in actual builds. Maybe I can find a middle ground and do some simple but useful builds demonstrating how the different combinators work. Thanks for watching and leaving a comment!
I like how the first 3 episodes of this series showed super basic things, then skipped everything that is actually important and then moved to really complex stuff.
Wow these are some amazing videos, you should have more subs
Couldn't follow, brain ended up on table, it didn't work.
That said, my setup is different, no double headed train, and you never mentioned what signals to use at the parking or on the lights.
But seriously, this is not working. I always get one train already heading going ahead and leaving parking only to then stop right in front of one of the stations, where it is of course held up by the signal, because there is still train in there.
Does this just no longer work in the new version ?
If my trains exit in the front, what do i do with the signals ?
The red signal that goes back to the signal near the entrance of your station is also looped to the exit in the front of the station, but that didn't do anything either.
4 wagons per train, 4 stations, 5 trains.
Connected all chests on both sides of the track to one pole per station, then to the combinator.
Constant Combinator 8K
Decider Combinator 32K
Arithmetic Combinator 24K
Do not have settings for the lights, or the Constant Combinator you have at the parking signal, no lights work.
I just spent 3 hours screwing around, with nothing to show for it.
Great.
This has to be possible.
And it should be far easier.
Freaking amazing, finally understand how all this works ! thanks so excited to do this in my game :)
The transitions crack me up. Is that a tribute to something that used to happen in the Stooges movies? (I recognize the tune, but I don't remember the abrupt interstitial card cutting off the last half of the word before it.) Regardless, well done.
Thank You! The tune was clipped from "Swinging the Alphabet" which appeared in "Violent is the Word for Curly." I have absolutely no idea where I got the idea of cutting off the last half of the word... But I don't think it was from the Stooges.
Yaaaay not a stream recording! Yaaay combinator classroom!
Hopefully it's worth the wait!!!
Yes. I have implemented similar schemes for my project "rocket launch every 2 minutes", but without balancing and all these complex stuff.
Murasaki Nebula I went a little overboard on this build so I could use it in my main base which has a specific need... But that will be another video!
I'm excited for version 0.15. I can finally get oil wagons
Oil wagons and...
Barreling all fluids;
Nuclear Power;
Science Revamp;
And A LOT of new Combinator Functionality!!!!
Super awesome video. You can feel the hours of work put into it :) I hope that your chanell and stream are going to grow the fuck up quickly ShredGuy99 ! If someone deserves it it's you.
Thanks Roman I truly appreciate those kind words... I'll keep working at it!
thank you !
You're Welcome!!!
I just like listening to your voice...
Of course you do!
I would love to test my mental coordination with a little sit down
I stream daily... Volunteer and join the rest of the crew on the S.N.S. (Shred Nation Ship) Incontinence!
verry usefull !!
Cool... Thanks Robin!
This is far more complicated than the signalling system of OpenTTD...
I enjoyed these videos, where is part 2 and are you doing anymore? :)
More are on the way but these videos take me a long time to make. This one took me 2 months.
ShredGuy99 ah I didn't realise they take so long, looking forward to them 😊
Hi bud, im trying to follow this to te letter, and I think I got it work, with still some questions, as im trying to understand its workings, rather than copy paste and be done will. I'm trying myself, but would you be wiling to jump into a Multiplayer I set up so you can have a look at it? Also TS available for direct comms
I'd be more than happy to jump on a multiplayer to take a look... Would it be OK if I streamed it? At least that way you could watch it again!
How about some more Combinator Classroom episodes, especially with arithmetic controls, lighting, fluid controls and so on?
ShredGuy, great series on the combinators and the circuit network. I'm having an issue with this particular build and I'm not quite sure where I've screwed up. I have four stations offloading Iron ore with 5 trains each having 2 cargo wagons. What I"m running into is the Stacker exit will go green without any stations being green. So I end up with a train blocking the exit of the stacker waiting for a station to drop below avg. Did I miss a connection anywhere?
Thanks in Advance, you and the rest of the Cracktorio gang have really helped me get value out of Factorio.
Double check the values in the Stacker SR Latch. With your setup, the number in the Decider Combinator should be 16,000 and the "Bias" that goes into the Arithmetic Combinator should be 12,000. Essentially, trains should only exit the stacker if the amount of Iron Ore in the offload drops below 4,000 and should continue to allow trains to exit until the amount of ore in the offload hits 16,000. If that doesn't work, let me know and we'll try to figure out what else could be going wrong.
Thanks for the help! I had the combinators completely backwards on the Stacker exit.
Again, thanks for the helpful reply, I got the station balanced perfectly now.
Nice... Glad I could help! And thank you for swinging by and taking a look at my videos!!
Hello! Great video! But I have a question. What is the function of the arithmetic combinator in each station which multiplies green signal by red signal with an output of iron ore? I don't understand...
So where did you go from the Factorio-Scene ?
This was extremely helpful!
Can you use the same theory to create a condition where a train only leaves the UNLOADING area when a mining station is empty? If you multiple trains but only 1 mining outpost, this would seem the best way to handle it so trains aren't stacking up on the main rail. Also don't want to create a stacker at every singled mining outpost.
I currently trying to figure out a system where once the trains offload, they go to a central output stacker to wait for an open mining outpost. The problem is only releasing as many trains as there are open mining outposts and only sending the right type of train (e.g. Iron Train vs Copper Train).
ShredGuy99, universal trains, specific res-type stackers(maybe even universal inputs in stacker but specific resource type exits).
You can't dynamically program trains so this won't work unless you have universal offload... Which may be possible with bot offloading and offloading trains into active provider chests.
Remember when you were giving advice on your stream for Factorio? Well one thing you said was "don't be afraid to tear it all down and build it again"
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Are you proud of yourself, ShredGuy? Look what you've done!
I usually tear it down in bits and pieces... But if you're going to go BOLD... Then go BOLD!
Hi, can you make a combinator classroom video about oil cracking. When glue, light oil or heavy oil is low create glue, light oil or heavy oil. Otherwise create petroleum. Because you explain so well it would be easy to understand.
I subscribed right away. Where is the Ep 6?
6:23 is dat sum mandelbulb 3d in the backround?
fuck yeah
I have no idea... It looked complicated so I thought it would add a nice visual touch.
Dont hate me but i am coming with some constructive criticism. It would be great if you explained what every combinator do (how are signals processed from one combinator to another and what that does). You said exactly how it should be set, but i would like to know exactly how it works so i can simply go and modify it.
Anyway, great vid man, I love this kind of tutorials. Keep em coming please :)
Yes... That's what I have planned for the next video. This video was running long so I had to cut out how each combinator processes each signal.
I cant speak for other people but i could easily watch longer videos if content is this good :)
***** Yeah I had some people on the stream say the same thing... My decision to break it into two videos was 1: Some folks like shorter videos 2: Some folks only want to see how to build it and don't care how it works 3: This is the big reason... It takes me about 5 hours to do 1 minute of video. So in order to get a video out now as opposed to two months later, I thought it would be a good idea to break the video up!
ShredGuy99 i have 4 oile tanks at my train stop, each have 1 pump, that's pumping oile to my base.
Problem: My train cant unload its oile, because only the first tank is getting used, the other 3 doesn't.
Question: How do i circuit the pumps, so they empty the 4 tanks equally into my base?
I probably wouldn't use combinators in this situation... Connect all the tanks together and use one pump to pump the oil to your base. The tanks will then unload evenly.
Why haven't i thought of that... jeez
Thanks for quick reply! :D
Add in the blueprint manager and start sharing your blueprint strings so people have templates.
I may consider doing this but as of right now it would be a bonus for Patreon... But that's just a thought.
i would rather code my own game
I must has part 2!
Well the script is done since I was first planning to just have one video but it turned out to be too much for just one. I'll get to work on it!
Take your time. It will take me a week to do whats in this video.
Hi , I customized your layout for this trains station, I made it so they have exit to not shared like in your case. But I have small problem which keeps bugging me. In your video you said leave a space for one train betwen train stations and train stacker, well I made it same but the trains goes there and sits there insstead waiting in train stacker , can you help me solve this problem ? I want all trains wait at trains stacker not between .
Using Chain Signals between the stacker and the station is all you need!
"Is...that Sigmund Freud?"
Not even playing computer game can I escape math
And he was never heard from.... again... for at least 6 years.
But still, i could learn something XD
my stacker brings in random materials to my main bus any way to sort them to each track on the stacker?
Not really unless the trains are item specific. For example: Iron Train, Copper Train, Coal Train. If that's the case, you can use "pre-stations" in your stacker so the so the trains go where they are supposed to go.
i should have made this now i have to build them alot in a server and the only one know how to make in server but love the build its abit easy but after the 350,697 time its not
I am playing .15 with angels and bobs mod on. Is there a way to transport the entire 75k of liquid (A) out of the same train tanker and fill it with 75k of liquid (B) from the same stop controlling pumps via circuit conditions? (edit It can be done! But its buggy if you get less than 1 and more than 0 because the circuit network sees any fraction of a number as 0)
You can do that in vanilla? Just make two tank carts or better yet split one into three separate inventories.
Sorry I should have been more specific. I'm not trying to use more than the 2 tankers already attached to the train I want to input sludge and pull waste water into the same tankers without adding more cars to the train. So far this is what I have figured out... I need to double up the train stop orders and here is a picture imgur.com/a/IcnWh
Another problem Im having is Fluids are not always integers alot of the time Ill have .2 stuck in the wagon I tried multiplying the train station output but I think the circuit system sees .2 as 0 as well and 100X0 is still 0.
In the cart UI you can separate the tanks into separate inventories, this doesn't add any weight and you don't need another car. Honestly I don't understand what you're doing as it looks like you're inputting and exporting the same item at one station.
I understand the splitting UI however I wanted to use the entire 150k capacity that turns into 90k waste (1.2 trailers) which is why it would be ideal to use both tankers
Station A: pictured (inputs)creates crystal and slag slurry, and (extracts) processes sulfur waste
Station B: (extracts)processes the crystal and slag slurry and (inputs) creates sulfur waste 50:30
Ive got it figured out now to the point that it should work but keep getting stuck by a residual amount
You can separate the individual tanks on the fluid wagon. So theoretically you could move fluid from one tank to another tank at a station. I never have had the need to do this, but it seem plausible. However you can't have an input pump and an output pump going to the same tank connection. I haven't play BobsAngels in 0.15, but this is how it works in vanilla and I wouldn't imagine it's different for BobsAngels.
Trust me I'm an engineer
very funny and simpled explained, thank you.
Can you say me why you set up the signals to close and not the trainstation directly?
It's better to not let a train *into* a station than to disable the station itself.
Reason being if the unloader is "full", then all the stations will be disabled, causing any train that's on its way there will shut off and give you a "no path" error. At worst, this means you now have a train potentially blocking a whole rail line if it's a shared one, and at best no other ore train(s) can get to the stacker's "safe" waiting area, or leave the ore patch if they're at one.
TL;DR A "full" unloader would just become non-existant to trains and they'll stop wherever they may be at the time until the unloader is "low" again.
There's no circuit network necessary. Just add an extra stop just between the stacker and the stations. Name it "Iron ore Staging" or something, that way instead of deciding which station to go to from clear across the map, where they're likely to pick the same one, they pick one that's empty just as they get there.
Nothing will be accomplished by adding an intermediary station. The closest stations will still have priority if empty. Hence NOT a balanced train station.
Is that.. you HE-man?
Still waiting for a factory tour video. :)
I know I know... I had to get this video out first and the last few days I've been trying to give my creative juices a little time to regenerate. But thanks for the reminder and I'll work on that next!!!
Thx :)
has part 2 been released?
u kidding? this has to be out-dated by now
its not out dated. @@premier69
Still not outdated. Logic is sound.
I've followed this tutorial twice now, but I can't get it to work. The signals to the unloading stations are red. I tried putting in some ores in the connected chests but then the signal flips out and keeps turning it on/off multiple times in a second. The signals are still red when the station is empty.
I have no idea whats going on... I've made a blueprint of my setup, maybe if you have time (or someone else) could look through it and see whats wrong? Playing on 0.15.11 vanilla no mods. Blueprint: gitlab.com/snippets/1662522
I'll take a look
At each station, change the Decider Combinator from "Coal" ">" "1" to "Coal" "
Seems like that was the problem, thank you so much! I've been looking all over the internet to find a Round-Robin type of train distribution, but all in vain, until I found this tutorial. Anyway, this seems to be working, but I'll have to test around more with my current setup (8 stations, 4 wagons). Thanks again!
whats the sound bite at 0:08 - 0:11 from?
Three Stooges "Swinging the Alphabet" th-cam.com/video/bgmdnxtz3Bo/w-d-xo.html
hell yes, thanks bro
"..... Curly's a dope!"
The only issue I have with this build is when the stations are already balanced it appears it will cause a condition where trains don't unload efficiently.
Pick your poison: Trains offload efficiently (only leave when empty) or Train stations are balanced (all stations remain within a certain tolerance).
I am not sure I understand the logic behind the "Full" quantity condition, as you are closing the station when you have have more than 8k Iron in the whole offload (meaning 2k per station) while each station can store over 14k with 6 steel chests. In other words, it looks like you are closing the station while each chest contains 333 ore =14% of its storage capacity.
Why would I want the chests 100% full?
I agree with you both. I usually run my train stations so that they are no long available when the storage available is less than the amount a single train will hold and will completely unload a train when available. This makes it so I don't have nearly full trains going back into the rail system wasting fuel and time.
Did someone find a video about a smart loader station on the same case than the video (with more than 1 loader station) to load resources on the most filled station?
I finnaly make it, it wasn't that hard
You should really explain what you are going to do and what your goal is before you just start saying place this then that and that.... cross the wire there and there....
If you just say "do this" then we stop listening half way through because we can't see where you are going and we won't understand the concept and how to apply it to our own situations.
Or.... you can watch the video that explains logic gates and get a basic understand of basic logic net working. Honestly, if you do not know what and or and xor does... you really should just be a xerox pleb. Don't give him guff because you didn't head the advice he clearly states at the beginning if you do not know about these things.
arithmAtic
Arith-Matic is proper pronunciation when used as an adjective.
this series got really complicated really quick :(
I agree that this episode got a little more complicated a little sooner than I would have liked. And I made this build a lot more complicated than it really needs to be so it would work in my base.
Hopefully it will all "de-complicate" a little with the next video where I jump into why this works... And why I needed it to work this way.
That being said... There are a few key "Mini" combinator concepts to really try to understand:
The signal inverter (11:32)
The signal isolator (5:31)
The SR Latch that controls when the trains leave the stacker. This SR Latch works a little different than the SR Latch in Episode 4 so it's worth taking a closer look at both and understanding, not only how they work, but the differences between the two. (2:56)
8:36 Factorio so easy.
A, B, C,... 1, 2, 3,... And you're done!
Rip part 2, 3, 4.... welcome to patch 0.15
We'll have to see. I don't see why this build would no longer be valid in 0.15.
would you or anyone that understands Circuit-network be willing to teach me this stuff on multiplayer. I am willing to pay you for your help.
Could you just use a chain signal as the stacker exit signal?
aboriani yes and no. If you lock each stop, then locking the standby (where you put the chain signal) becomes redundant, but it serves as a way to lock the whole station down when it's full.
True. Actually that question came into my mind before the end of the video.
hmmm...love circuit netwrok things..shame you dont have AI's as a next step
but considering any 'train hold' would have to be made part of the 'secured' complex..or guarded in its own right.. or risk havieng you stuck with a bunch of trainlees carts and bitters swarming around em.
and that all that 'average' input still might risk a brief 'reduced' flowto the foudneries and so forth ...well ,i'd say use the extra materials to just make a large enough safe station with extra stopign space beffore the actuall unload to 'act' as a train stacker ,they all sit ncie and safely with ther loads in your main complex steadely feeding it in 99% of all cases sicne generly if yo uhave say 5 trains ala 5 carts+ each at most 2 will be out to refill at ther armed minning outposts ..givieng a ncie and steady flow for well anything under a 5 belt production line or ?
Namoth the actual average part should probably be changed around. Locking a station until it has room for a full load it's probably a better route, but I can see using the average would help if the trains have a long way to go and will probably be able to unload with little slow down during the wait.
This link is just a tiny bit exciting... forums.factorio.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=38724&p=237427#p237421
This will definitely reduce the number of combinators needed in a lot of builds... But may increase the complexity of combinators builds on a whole... Either way it is Exciting.
But why? ;) And where is part 2?
Should be out in June.
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WTF!!!!!!!!!
this is why i stopped playing.
you need a masters degree and waaaay too much time to play it properly.
False on "masters degree"... True on "waaaay to much time to play"
"Properly" is subjective. Remember it's a game... Have fun... But also try to be creative and push your builds.
I quit!
what the fuck is this hahahaha
i can't follow what you are trying to say. feel like it's just too much, i don't like your jokes too.
I can take a lot of negative criticism but I draw the line at someone saying they don't like my jokes.