The REAL Truth About Ukrainian F-16 Pilot Training
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In this episode two-time Moochie Award-winning military expert Justin Bronk returns for an in-depth look at what NATO-supplied gear is working for the Ukrainian military and what isn't, including details of how supplying F-16s isn't a "silver bullet" because veteran Ukrainian Air Force pilots were trained using the procedures and methods of the former Soviet Union, which makes learning how to effectively fight the Viper a big challenge.
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but what i dont understand is " from former pilot and congressman (not me) should only take 2 week for training for flying the millennium falcon as well as aviation boats and from enthusiasts??? and equivalent air frame mig 29 fulcrum has about same avionics my own thought is systems missiles and bomb trouble from our side ie ammrams and jammers and gps bombs . is where Ukraine pilots problems ???
Ukrainians are smarter than the average American so I find it unlikely they can't learn to fly. Are you Russian paid?
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@@benjaminperez7328 Don Jr.? Yeah, that's not under my control.
Russia's economy is the same size as Italy's.
Europe has 4X the population and 20X the economy as Russia.... so as they mobilize the Russian threat should be readily neutralized.
Mr Bronk emphasizes that Europe is really stepping up, but then says that the temporary pause in American aid caused an almost complete shutdown in Ukrainian training etc.... which is stunning evidence that after 2 1/2 years of war, Europe has not really begun to mobilize or take the threat seriously.
I support Ukraine, but as a Vietnam era veteran, I detest doing other people's fighting for them. The more we do for our "allies", the less they need to do for themselves.
(Btw, i read that Taiwan increased its defense spending to 2%!
Really! Only 2%! Perhaps the threat is not as great as we are told. Otherwise it should be 12% or higher!
Ward, one of the many things I like about this channel is your ability to get the right people, ask them the right questions, and then let them speak. Clear, concise, compelling and informative. Bravo.
These people are clowns...they are liars who pro US which means they are biased, and dont tell the actual truth, which means americans are lied to, and the truth will come out when Rissia wins or Ukraine accepts Russian terms
This guy was definitely not the right people. He's just a part of the delusional establishment that is playing Risk with other people's lives.
These days, there is nothing like listening to people who know what they are talking about. I grew up in different times, so this is an actual relief.
@jclemme1
I prefer to listen to Hollywood Stars, because they are Famous
/snark
What is conveniently omitted is that Russia will likely accept pre-war borders if Ukraine & western powers accept the 2014 government. Western powers refuse to concede on the 2014 state of things.
@@stevenwiederholt7000I think Tom Cruise has more credibility than this 🤡
Know what they are talking about? These same types were telling us 2 years ago that Russia was toast. Cause unlike the West they didn't have high tech equipment, etc etc. So the Russians are fighting this war with T55's and tin shacks on tracks while the Leopards and Abramses are burnt out trophies in Moscow. All it took was one look at history and one look at a map and the outcome should have been obvious to anyone. OR as the old saying goes: KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID. Fancy kit breaks, and it's difficult or impossible to fix. But AK's and T55's just keep on going.
@@normanberg9940 Reformer detected, opinion rejected
First time someone really explained why it takes so long to get F16s in theater.
When our AF was near the acquisition of the F-16, one of the major problems was the F16 APU. The required infrastructure at each base where the aircraft would be stationed, specially trained personnel to handle hydrazine and emergency response personnel and equipment in the event of a hydrazine accident was one of the major problems that would require more time to integrate even than the integration of new weapon systems in operational unit tech team.
@@dinkoz1 The APU uses hydrazine? Well, that explains why the ground infrastructure requirements are taking so long. That stuff is insanely dangerous, even in small quantities.
Yes, explanation is good and applies to most advanced weapon systems. Major problem is that need is urgent. Ground and lives are being lost, because Russia is pushing masses and masses of troops, no matter how much of them die. For Soviet Union, now Russia, lost lives just don't matter.
He also explained it in previous interviews. E.g. you need hazard suits & training for the mechanics.
Millenium 7 did many many months ago.
Justin Bronk remains the absolute best person to listen to in the context of analysis in this war. Can’t stress enough that you can’t have this guy on your show enough.
This guy sounds like he gets all his information straight from the Ministry of Defence. It's impossible to overstate the profound stupidity of taking such claims to be even remotely credible.
_Oh, those incompetent Russians, they're only succeeding because of their human wave attacks, throwing masses of bodies armed with shovels into the maw of Ukrainian defences. They're relying on old soviet weapons cause they can't produce anything modern, and there gonna run out of ammunition one of these days!_
You have to never listen to anyone outside the western bubble to not laugh out loud at this crap.
Damn that was an impressive briefing.
He’s among the best, certainly for air warfare. You can see PerunAU for the economical/logistical analysis.
Very good assessment. Should be doing pilot recruitment from the best 18 to 24 year old Ukrainians. Apply USAF or Navy testing standards to vet the recruits and train from the ground up.
Except Justin is full of BS.
It is refreshing to hear from Justin once again. He always has a no B.S. perspective on strategic issues and did not disappoint on this topic. Thanks Ward for bringing him back for an update and detailed description regarding the state of the Ukrainian conflict. Your last question and his answer to it (basically why does Ukraine matter to the U.S.?) was the icing on the cake.
100% best argument against isolation I’ve ever heard.
@@CaptainBanjo-fw4fq Bronk is a coward and a chicken hawk. If he wants military intervention then he should risk his own hide instead of talking a lot without saying anything.
@@CaptainBanjo-fw4fq Here's the snag
Most voters can't think two steps ahead .....
The reason its vital requires multiple parallel steps 4 & 5 steps ahead.
Let's be honest - The previous POTUS couldn't grasp this either - And that is deeply worrying
@@CaptainBanjo-fw4fq
Please Volunteer For Ukraine 🇺🇦
@@babboon5764
You Wanting WW3 IS Deeply Worrying
Completely agree with the Training analysis.
I served in an european army as a conscript on the LEO2 tank for2 years, 4 months was basic training to learn to operate the machine, rest was operational training based in Germany.
Last 30 years I was trained on 7 different airline aircraft types during my flying career, 8 weeks ground and simulator training followed by line (operational) training.
Point is just like Justin explained, it is far easier to 'mold' newbies than experienced crew .
It is pointless to train someone on just the machine, the ability to operate it in real life/war demands a lot of training, add to that the language barriers etc.
Ukrainian pilots are very experienced, we're not talking about cherry pilots. We also don't know the extent of the training they have received - one thing is what the media has reported on and, on the other hand, the training that has actually been done.
@philosopher2king lol no they aren't. Anyone who had experience is dead.
@@OzzyBlokewhere did you source your information?
The point is that if you are too experienced in one system, its very hard to learn a totally new and forget the old. Thats why newbies are better.
Issue you're ignoring, while you're in the military training never truly ends. It's systemic. Through the whole career you're in the military. Basic training needed for qualifying to fly/operate is different entirely. Going by US standards, for example basic training can take up to one year for a new pilot, issue is this is for new pilots. Course B training takes around 4 months which happens after a pilot graduates basic. If we are assuming these men were already through basic flight training. Well it isn't without reason to believe training on F-16's for people already familiar with flying fighter aircraft is actually within reason. You have to remember when pilots go through basics training they're not normally trained on the aircraft they will be flying so much of Course B is also getting familiarized with the aircraft they're going to be trained to actually fly.
Holy smokes, excellent analysis, great conversation. No wonder the Double Moochie.
Hank you
One of the best pieces you've posted on this topic. Justin Bronk has really mastered delivering a clear rational breakdown of policy and strategy. Very well done indeed, Ward. Excellent job.
As usual, Justin is absolutely clear in explaining and conceptualizing what is going on and in what the connections between different military and geopolitical elements are. BRILLIANT!
Very smart on military issues. Less so on the geopolitical issues. For him to say that there's no gray area in Russia's justification for the invasion is absurd.
Ward's comment about switching from football to hockey is a very insightful analogy for the challenges involved in pilot transitions. Both about putting objects into the opposing territory, and both pro athletes with 2 arms and legs, but everything else is different. Commonly misunderstood.
I think an even more apt analogy would be American football players coming up to Canada to play in the CFL. i.e: only 3 downs, a wider field, 55 yards to centre field, slightly larger football, 12 players, movement on the line, and a larger end zone. It ends up being much more of a passing game than running. It takes a while to adjust, esp. for defensive backs
@@daleenright8869 Ya good points, I agree. I think your is more apt for the Soviet to NATO fighter role transition as the goal is the same. Ward's I think was in context of Attack pilots going to Fighters or multirole (dropping bombs to dog fighting), which is a more different game of course. Then combine doctrine, mission and equipment changes and even more difficult. Good insight on how more experienced pilots are harder to train to transition.
My 2 cents... (Strange, there is no cent symbol on my keypad. Never noticed that.)
It is much easier to fill a jar that is empty than to fill one that is already full of something that you don't want.
And Glocksters hating on 1911s & vice-versa.
It just takes training & practice. (Lots of it).
@@daleenright8869 I liked your analogy (since I'm Canadian) but it wasn't nearly extreme enough. The first Canada-USSR hockey series was incredible. The Soviets were a well-oiled machine, our NHL players were talented stars thrown together. Imagine taking one of those Russians and sticking him in the NHL. Even the language difference alone would be huge.
Sounds like canadas experience from 101/104 to the f18
I could listen to Justin Bronk for hours. Great at explaining.
Same. He is legit.
This guy, bronk, is a true gem in his interviews. He’s truly amazing. I’d listen to him all the time
I listen to Justin Bronk in awe. He is so analytical in his arguments, so detailed and so matter of fact. A first class lesson in what is happening in Ukraine and what we need to do to support them. Thanks Ward!
“Strategically illiterate “ ouch
This is common.
At first it sounds a lot more polite then "a complete fool" but then it sinks in what the statement really implied...
@@andersjjensen that's how the british do it, masterful
Arrogant Westeners from countries that haven't won a war against a serious foe for DECADES calling Ukrainians "stategically illiterate" tells more about these clueless fools than about the people they are trying to smear. Every credible military strategist says Ukrainians will be highly desired as trainers for WESTERN armies once the war is over, as unlike the US & her allies (who frequently lose wars to goat herders with Kalashnikovs), they will have experience defeating an enemy WAY stronger than their country ever could be on paper. Our military strategists know a lot of THEORY, but we saw how accurate their predictions were when they all agreed Ukraine wouldn't last 2 weeks in a conflict with Russia.
If Ukraine loses, you will see how well Western forces fare against Russians very soon. And I doubt you will like the outcome very much. We should be grateful for the fact that we can defeat Russia without having a single Western soldier risking his life in the process (I'd rather send arms than soldiers), and help a country that has proved it wants to be part of the Western family of nations by sending troops when America asked for it in her hour of need (Afghanistan). Besides, the reason Ukraine is in trouble is because Western politicians promised to help them if they gave up their share of the Soviet nuclear arsenal, so it is the honourable thing to do to help them.
Ouch it is ..... *but very VERY true*
The US government in particular has a lot of ready access to military experience
So how the only one of the 2 Political parties which is enthusastic to help Ukraine .....
*Tied one arm behind Ukraine's back - It seems inconceivable*
A brit saying “It's fairly serious” Now I'm scared
😂
Exactly what I was thinking and he is biased he is just saying how it Is
Will never tell you the UA loss rate though...
We are at "stiff upper lip con two..."
@@lukewhitehouse4103Of course not, why make the Russians job easier .
Was just thinking the other day that we haven't heard anything from Justin for a while on the channel.
Absolutely brilliant concise update on the war in Ukraine - unbeatable!
Thanks Justin and Ward, I am so pleased that Justin mentioned, why would other trust the US if Nato and Ukraine cant?????
Ukraine isnt in NATO. I think it makes the argument that if a country expects help, they need to be a party to a defense agreement.
@@ascot4000 Ukraine made a strategic blunder by deciding to become a threat to Russia and opening their mouth about geting nukes. Noone in their right mind will allow a puppet state next door to get nukes when it's hostile to the core.
@@ascot4000 The whole point of Ukraine continuing to fight is to cause maximum casualties for both sides. US was never intending to honor it beyond sending instructors and weapons.
Justin has a subtle way of communication, highlighting important facts that are not always obvious!
Well done Gentlemen great show.
One of the finest, most logical and strategic overviews that I can recall. Well done, Ward
It's sobering to see a realistic analysis of the situation and the cost of the months of delay in getting the Ukrainian pilots started in training on western equipment and tactical doctrine.
They've been training for well over a year I thought.
@@LRRPFco52 Some completed a year or more of training early this year. The official US training started later than some of the other NATO members.
So then Ukraine should have honoured agreements with Russia. Equipped and trained a new NATO force, equipped with NATO weapon systems including aviation and then. broke their treaty with Russia. Instead they rushed into a conflict and have suffered grievously for it
@@lukewhitehouse4103 Putin initiated the Donbas War after Putin lost his puppet, Yanukovych in March 2014. Putin initiated the full-scale invasion in Feb 2022. There were no plans for any F-16s all these years because Ukraine had Su-27s, Su-24Ms, MiG-29s, and Su-25s.
@@lukewhitehouse4103 What? Ukraine was years away from being able to join EU or NATO. If ever. They didn't break a treaty with Russia. Russia broke the 1994 Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances in 2014, and again in 2022.
Thank you Mr. Carroll 🫡🇺🇸
These are the most informative briefings available to civilians. Thanks!
As long as they can use the F-16s for boosting GBAD and delivery of stand-off munitions, it's still a massive help. Expecting them to fly into hostile territory and take on enemy GBAD and air assets is completely unrealistic. As Justin said, we wouldn't even do that ourselves.
Unfortunately, the general public expects the war to over w/in a month of the F-16s becoming operational in Ukraine. No one even talks about how the F-16s that Ukraine will be getting aren't going to be close to the latest Block 70/ Viper upgrade and they won't have the latest long-range weapons either. The Russian Su-30s, 34s and 35s all outrange the F-16s with their radars and weapons and they are supported by much more frontline GBAD as well forcing Ukrainian F-16s to fly and fight low which is a big disadvantage.
@@brodieboy3
Don't be surprised when they fly if there's a friendly nation AWAC's type aircraft just across a border in friendly airspace jamming all that Russian equipment, with as heavily defended as all that airspace is where the fight is happening I can't see their plan being to just have those F16's flying around without any type of support like that, they won't have them long if they do and you can bet the people planning this know that.
@@dukecraig2402 would these be the same geniuses that were 'planning' Ukraine's failed 2023 offensive that failed miserably? Don't delude yourself that the US is backstopping everything the little comedian Zelensky decides that he wants try because he's arrogant and not a military man. Just like in 2023 - the US and the West are gonna hope for the best, but they are telling Zelensky exactly what Justing Bronk is saying which is that you've got too be really circumspect as to what you do w/ your F-16 fleet in the face of still significant Russian GBAD (that's admittedly getting attrited to some extent) and superior Russian air assets - that have longer range weapons and the advantage of being able to fly high and fast behind their lines to deliver glide bombs.
My guess is that like last year's failed offensive - Zelensky will - for political purposes - try and push the F-16s into action and hope/ expect that they'll somehow be successful in turning the tide of the war. I just don't think it's gonna happen and I think Ukraine is gonna start losing F-16s - just like they starting losing Leopard 2s and Abrams at which point the 2 sides will start making excuses and blaming each other when the simple fact is that there are just very real limits as to what F-16s can be expected to do given the current threat environment.
@@dukecraig2402 dont be surprised if Russians down those AWACs.
@@harryflashman4542 LOLOLOL! How the fck can you guys keep thinking that anyone even has the slightest military respect for Russia at this point?
"If they only had this one thing".
Yeah, the nukes we talked them out of in 1994...
They literally couldn't afford to keep them.
The pickle they're in now, looks like they couldn't afford not to.
We'd already be glowing.
they were russian nukes
@@frankrenda2519no such think as russian nukes, that’s a russian lie they belonged to the USSR…… russia’s claim to be the USSR successor state is full of lies.
Not surprisingly. One of our instructors said that he would rather teach a new person from 0 than train a MIG/SU pilot. Old habits, Truck vs F1 car
And little niggly things. The artificial horizon is the opposite. Always a chance of an experienced pilot forgetting that in heavy stress circumstances.
Mr. Carroll........Ward........... Mooch........ You do a singularly masterful job and I am sure that it's your nature to over-perform..... a characteristic of most fighter pilots I know. Thank you and your guests, particularly the supremely literate, erudite, and brilliant Justin Bronk.
It’s always good, helpful (& dare I say helpful?) to listen to a sober, fact-based analysis of a complex situation by those with detailed knowledge & experience in the area.
Much appreciated.
I wish you had justin on every day. He does a great job explaining why he has come to his conclusions.
It took five years in WWII of defensive attrition for the allies to build factories, design and develop weapons and ammunition, train personnel and implement successful tactics. A year later it was all over.
Generals like to fight the last war. This idea of artificiel lines we shouldn't cross was proven a great way to waste equipment and men in Korea and Vietnam. One would think we would have learned something by now.
Integrity means more than standing up to your contractual obligations. It means honoring your word.
Very intelligent comment sir
Read David Hackworth’s multiple books and papers. He made his “bones” in the RVN.
But every piece of equipment or gear lost, every munition sent, reserves, products, transport, food, and stockpiles needed to operate this monstrous machine... has to be replaced by a g'ment contractor.
Follow the money; it is the game itself.
Not really - many of the designs and factories were scaled up prior to the war in world war 2, Germany never developed a heavy bomber for example the RAF and USAF only had them because they'd started the programs before the war, thosse planned during the war didn't arrive until after world war 2, and that's world war 2 with the largest nations on the world commiting their largest industrial effort ever made.
Integrity: An attribute that does not exist in DC.
As for training F-16 pilots it is easier to start with a blank slate of new pilots than to take an experienced Russian trained pilot and erase his old training and reprogram him to new tactics. Also, training the pilots is easier and quicker than training the F-16 ground crew and maintainers.
I wonder if foreign ground crews are considered foreign combatants. Especially if they're dressed in jeans and t-shirts. (Half joking.)
@@FarTooFar They are, the same with the French/British crews that are programming Storm Shadow/Scalp and US "volunteers" operating the Patriot/HIMARS
Europe sees benefit from more of US defense spending than just what is spent on NATO or in Europe though. Europe benefits from the US navy patrolling the oceans all over the world for example.
Europe being expected to spend 2% on defense is asking Europe to act in its own self interest.
I didn't note the time stamp but at 1 point he did explicitly mention that Europe has been slacking for decades. Even many European politicians have come around to that realization and admitted it publicly.
@@jerseyshoredroneservices225 Its been in the interests of the US to have Europe slacking... The US wants europe to spend more on US gear, but not on EU gear.The US want Europe to defend its interests through the US, not by itself.The EU is the US biggest market and having control over it is the priority at any cost, what the United States spends by "picking up the Euro slack" is absolutely nothing compared to what benefit it brings, it's not a bug, it's a feature.
@@jerseyshoredroneservices225 If I smack you on the noise, it is hard to ignore it.
@@redwithblackstripes That would be very silly, it takes a team to do it.
@@redwithblackstripesIncorrect on all accounts, at least based on what I'm seeing. The US biggest trade partners are Mexico, Canada, China, then EU in that order.
US can't even fulfill orders for domestic military demand for high end systems fast enough, let alone EU.
That's with the US and its current 4 open fighter assembly lines and 2 additional lines in Japan and Italy for F-35, all of its missile production lines, explosives manufacturing, sensors, launch platforms, comms, etc.
4 Fighter lines:
F-35 DFW
F-16V SC
F/A-18E/F STL
F-15EX STL
Two of these lines are behind on order fulfillment, especially F-16 & F-35.
By far the most informed balanced and comprehensive analyst of war in Ukraine 🇺🇦
One comment concerning the Chinese threat to the Indo Pacific countries.
The word trust is often talked about as though it is binary ... you either do or you don't.
However, in reality, there are many different levels when it comes to trust.
It's important to note that Japan, S. Korea, Taiwan, the Philippines, Singapore, Vietnam, and India understand China's strategic intentions and want no part of it.
These countries understand, while they may not completely trust the U.S. they are far better off having the U.S. as an ally than going it alone.
That was amazingly informative! Thank you!
He makes a saliant point- the tactics... it is the piolet that wins the fight, the aircraft is simply the tool.
This has been highly informative. Great work guys
Has anyone considered hiring MERCENARY PILOTS to fly the F-16? I've seen videos of experienced US F-16 pilots who have already volunteered to fly F-16s for Ukraine! Why hasn't this happened already?
Cause those pilots know it'd be a suicide mission.
It's illegal in many western countries to be a mercenary.
@@ibrahimcehajic Then why did they VOLUNTEER? They must have already took that into consideration and wanted to do it anyway. Something else is preventing this from being done, and it needs to happen ASAP.
@@ibrahimcehajic Soviet sympathizer
@MD-xb5jt there is a video on yt of two packs of dogs barking mad at each other through a gate,as soon as the gate opened up both sides stopped barking and were just looking at each other, the gate closes and they start barking mad at each other again.
As always Justin explains things very well and distinctly clearly!
Brilliantly informing clarity. Thanks Justin and Ward
I learn more listening to Justin for just 5 minutes than reading hundreds of articles.
Been hearing some strange voices on comms at Vance AFB ENJPT in Oklahoma. Just saying.
I always value hearing from Justin Bronk. Too bad you didn't ask him about Mirage 2000.
This conversation happened before France made that announcement.
Thanks Ward. Unfortunately Youth and Health (mine) have left the building, otherwise I'd be there now.
Brilliant analyst! Always love hearing him talk.
Capt. Carroll, I'm becoming increasingly intrigued by the A-1 Warhog and, of course, the Tomcat-F14. Our warbirds are way better than the" British Herrier."
Justin Bonks knowledge and ability to explain military effects, tactic and strategy is simply amazing!
Great timing Mooch, on getting Justin on at this time. No one like JB can explain the sense of the US involvement in the Ukrainian. Thanks as always!
The only major disagreement I have is the characterization that US defense isn't in NATO. The US has stationed 100,000~ soldiers in Europe. The US can shift a division from Japan to Germany with all of its equipment in a month so, while yes the US is protecting allies in the Pacific, that force still counts as a contribution towards NATO. The fastest way to sour an Americans opinion of NATO IMO is to blame the US for not doing enough for Europe while countries like Germany have spent the last thirty years refusing to contribute to the collective defense and taking every chance they had to complain about US militarism.
You make a fair point. A month can be a very long time in modern warfare though. Think Crimea/ Donbass in 2014
Meanwhile the USA does more to protect Europe than Europe does lol. And we’re also sending Ukraine billions and billions while they have an extremely corrupt government. We “the USA” have an extremely corrupt government also at the moment. So hey what can you do haha.
The last few times Germany or Japan were fully armed had led to disaster.
The two countries deliberately neutered their war making machinery to prevent a repeat.
It is practically a part of their constitution.
One side effect it had was that the US became a de facto guarantor of their safety.
Most nato countries are buying our military equipment so it works out well for employment numbers.
Not to mention that for many years, Germany (& Europe) themselves were belittling the Russian threat, warming up to Russia, and making themselves dependent on Russia oil/gas/energy.
So that makes it even more annoying when they try to superiorly finger-wag against the US on anything, when their own naivety and poor judgement has been so heavily exposed.
What did you want from woman who ruled Germany little less than Pootin Russia. And looking on her work results she collaborated with Russia and worked in interests of Russia.
Justin is brilliant. Thanks, Ward, for bringing his insights to us.
Great info from Justin as always. Thank you!
Justin Bronk is just so great at communicating some real analysis, wish there were more people like him around!
Thanks for great content
WONDERFUL command of the FACTS - pertinent - cogent - articulate. THANK YOU Mr. Bronk.
A very insightful and cogent interview with one of the few clear-headed military analysts out there. Thank you, Ward.
American politicians always make the right decision after trying all the wrong ones. From the very beginning of the war, the Allies needed to fly their F-16s themselves with volunteer pilots (Ukraine could have given them Ukrainian passports in 5 minutes to reassure public opinion and the UN), and train local pilots during the course of hostilities, so that don't waste people's time and lives. There are many examples of the participation of foreign pilots in military conflicts in history - the Spanish Civil War of 1936-39, the Korean War of 1950-53, the Vietnam War of 1957-1975, multiple military conflicts in Africa and Yugoslavia. Not entering Ukraine with planes until the local crews are prepared is the stupidest decision that could be expected.
The situation was saved by the fact that Putin got involved with the wrong people and broke his teeth on them!
Thanks to Justin Bronk for analyzing the problem!
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You forget- the US air superiority is a system working together with information being fed to the pilots. It is not a bunch of independent Red Barons up there dog fighting. Our pilots are trained in that system from the start, that’s how we obtain air superiority. You can’t throw that together in a few weeks.
@@williamcondra3811 Yep. That's why the training should have started back in 2022.
@@williamcondra3811 Everything is clear about training, I’m talking about American and European volunteer pilots entering the battle on their planes in the initial period in order to hold back the russians, perhaps with Ukrainian passports, in order to avoid “howling in the swamps.” Those, a full-fledged NATO air force was supposed to enter Ukraine. At first, it was possible to simply play defensively, holding back russian airstrikes, and only later carry out offensive actions. And training local pilots had to be carried out in parallel. After all, the russians could have crushed Ukraine back in 2022-23 if the people had not given a decisive rebuff. Then there would be no point in teaching someone to fly the F-16.
I couldn't agree more. Hearing that the training of Ukrainian pilots started 1.5 year into the war with *3 months English course* just made me sad. One would expect at least more foresight. The training could have started way before any political decision to donate the western jets.
IMHO the AWACS planes will make a big difference.
Won't the AWACS planes be sitting ducks over Ukraine
I don't think so, their detection range is about the same as the R-37 range which was designed to kill Awacs. These won't be safe like Nato Awacs planes
I've been under the impression that other countries have been providing that service from the beginning.
I'm concerned about how Ukrainian awacs will be protected.
@@jerseyshoredroneservices225Difference is, I highly doubt that any of the NATO AWACS are transmitting targeting data, rather that they provide general intelligence and early warning
@@jerseyshoredroneservices225 Ukraine is a large country, about 1000 km wide, so they can only cover parts of Ukraine (about 5-600 km I think?).
I love hearing Dr. Brock talk. I wish all our policy-makers were this smart.
Always great to get updated info from the two of you. The conversation is always focused a cuts through the rhetoric. Thanks Mooch for cultivating this information source with Justin
Justin Bronk is an asset. He is knowledgeable and very articulate.
Yesssss Justin 👍👍👍👍👍
23:13 - Appreciate the popup note
This has been the most in-depth and even-handed assessment of the situation in Ukraine that I think I've ever heard. Thank you for creating video.
"Strategically Illiterate" Well Said!
"We've got a kinder, gentler, machine-gun hand." - Neil Young/Antony Blinken
Not just qualified manpower, maintenance & parts concerns as well. Let's see how long the 80 planes remain operational and not grounded.
They have unlimited spares.
Non-routine maintenance and repairs will happen in other countries, like Germany or Poland, as is done for tanks. Ukrainian staff will only need to do routine maintenance. And parts and additional planes are plentiful. Pilots and keeping bases safe are more of a limiting factor...
I'd LOVE to see a video Deep Dive into the experience of A-6 crews that went to the Tomcat. Including the Fighter AND the Attack regimes. Both front and back seats!
Always great to see Justin ! great editing Mooch !
And as of yesterday France has said it will provide Mirage 2000-5 fighters as well... With regards the Swedish Awacs it will provide a nice capability outside of being just an AWAC how they will defend it from Mig-31 R-37's it will be interesting to see.. Another great video on the situation in Ukraine...
This guy is very intelligent and easy to listen to and understand. I just wish there was peace around the world, all this death and what real problems could we solve with all this money spent??
You hit the bullseye, they are all looking and thinking and joining BRIC .
Guys, your premise is wrong. If you want to know what happens "if Russia wins", have a look at the video "Mariupol - Risen from the Ashes". That was quite an eye opener for me.
Ukraine should just come to actual peace talks. It's getting uttely ridiculous.
always worth a listen to this guy ..a true pro
Awesome discussion. Talks like these are why i love this channel
Basically, if you aren't already a full NATO style force, you're not going to do well as a proxy fighting force for NATO assets. Something we've learned time and time again over 70 years.
The difference is now it counts. Just wait.
How many proxy wars for NATO have their been over the last 70 years? I can't think of any on NATO's borders.
@@LRRPFco52 Yeah there has been no proxy wars until 2 years ago.
@@tedmoss It doesn’t count. If it did, we’d be already dedicated to WW3 not playing “I’m not touching you” like we always do.
@@LRRPFco52 try and change the goal posts as you like, the past 70 years of military dalliances have all been proxy wars. And all generally “sub-optimal results”.
I have NO experience in fighters, other than the very basic T-38 maneuver stuff taught at UPT (where they obviously thought I’d be better off in a B-52!). But I did go from the newest model Buff (H) to the oldest (D) and then to an intermediate version (G). Going from the H to the D was the easiest precisely because there are HUGE differences between those models. The “but we always did it this way” factor evaporated very quickly. However the G & H had a lot of similarities, so returning to the “newer” model G from the D revived a few old habits. I imagine seasoned Ukrainian fighter jocks had a roughly similar experience changing horses in midstream.
In the Gulfstream IV, I was often paired with more senior Captains who had just started in that model after flying more advanced versions of a couple of different aircraft types. They were always excellent & adapted quickly. But for the first few flights I found it helpful to caution them thusly: “Think of this not as an ‘automated’ aircraft, but rather as a manual aircraft with automated-assist.” Not the same thing as the Ukrainians in the F-16, except for how seasoned pilots can carry over habits from one similar bird to another. And harder in a single seat aircraft without a copilot there to offer a few hints & advice.
I've been saying this about the -16s since they mentioned putting them in country. It'll take years for them to be productive...mechanicaly, logistically, and then tactically.
Always good to hear what Professor Bronk has to say about the situation in Ukraine, Europe, and Asia. Glory to Ukraine.
THANK GOD 36:25 JUSTIN IS ON OUR SIDE, I THINK HE IS.... RIGHT.?.?
WE MISSED YOU, GREAT SHOW.... 🔱⭐
REALLY good interview.
Minor feedback: the audio in an untreated dome isn't great.
Another great deep dive on the Ukrainian situation. Justin Brunk’s comments on the F-16 integration were fascinating to this old infantryman. It seems that training is a great deficit. In the US Army, it can take 3 to 5 years to train a captain to lead a company. 15 years or more to train a battalion commander, and close to 20 for brigade command. We can’t expect the Ukrainians to conduct combine operations at the scale required to breach the Russian lines at this point,
Even with the much vaunted 44:09 F-16 Vipers - maybe in a few years. It also seems that Speaker of the House Johnson has a lot of Ukrainian blood in his hands. 😎🇺🇸🇺🇦 44:09
Serious military knowledge, understanding along with appreciation of the art. Well presented, well done! Thanks for sharing.
42:00 This. Most eloquent argument I have ever heard for alliances.
The ammunition shortage is not solely on the USA. There are 15 Nato countries that can send substantial supplies.
No disrespect, but what leads you to believe they aren't? For an example, back in March, Luxembourg, smaller than Rhode Island in size & population, shipped 6000 rounds of 155mm howitzer ammo. It doesn't make much of an impact in the US news, because it's individual countries donating kit, not a single unified country.
@@TheAnxiousAardvarkI appreciate Luxembourg's contribution, but many NATO countries have been understanding on their defense for decades hoping the US will save them. It is about time they step up.
@@WhydoIsuddenlyhaveahandle Everyone is willing to fight to the last American...
@@WhydoIsuddenlyhaveahandle That's a different subject that the original OP.
I'd suggest actually reading the NATO site. The guideline of 2% of GDP to be spent on defense is not yet 2 decades old. If you check you'll also see that in 2014 spending increased. Should they have increased faster? Probably, but optimists believed Russia was actually going to become a good citizen.
At the moment, the US is contributing more than the EU in terms of military aid. The EU is contributing more aid, in total.
Sobabout 12 hours of usage. @@TheAnxiousAardvark
Brilliant interview 👏 👌 slava Ukraine 🇺🇦
Thanks for a great presentation 😊
15 minutes into the video finally talking about Ukrainian F 16 pilot training.
It’s annoying that he wastes time like that the rest of us don’t want to hear all that off the subject bs.
Grim times, top show thanks Ward 👍👍
A very intelligent man.
SLAVA UKRAINI🎺💙💛🔱💪👍🥾💤👀= FREEDOM
russian are fighting using shovels, I hear... hypersonic kind of shovels
You people still going on and on and on about that headline (which was accurate within the context).
😂 russia has used 3/4 of its kinzhal / iskandar stocks (despite building more) they’ve not performed as claimed….. russia’s hyper weapons are mostly hype.
@@robertpatrick3350 you could be right, I have no way of knowing this - sadly, my drinking buddy Vladimir Vladimirovich forgot to keep me up to date about Russian weapon stocks and failed to cc me on performance reports.
@@robertpatrick3350 Is THAT why NATO is shitting itself of actually entering the conflict? Ukies CLAIMED to have "shot down" a bunch of Kinzhals (one of 3 hypersonic weapon systems Russians have), shown old BETAB bomb core as proof which was debunked, and all of a sudden Russian Kinzhals that had been taking out Ukrainian factories, repair facilities, bases and troop concentrations are now "not performing as claimed"? according to whom they aren't performing? Ukrainians? Western TV experts that told us that Russia is going to run out of ammo in 3 days and that Putin has cancer and that Russians are eating hedgehogs due to starvation over sanctions? Your mom must have dropped you on your head when you were a baby.
@@ChucksSEADnDEAD LMAO except it was not accurate at all at any point, and only an utterly ignorant idiot could have swallows that BS hook line and sinker. Same for the "washing machine electronics" canard.
Always informative, thank you so much, mooch.
Everyone saying Ukraine needs to cede the territories currently held by Russia, need to remember that's what they did back in 2014 and look where it's got them now. Russia needs to learn starting a war is counterproductive, not the other way around or they'll never stop.
Why not go back to the 30's and say the same thing?
Can't believe people are dumb enough to think Russia is trustworthy. They are the descendants of genocidal killers, not Nutcracker toysoldiers. Think of Pavlovian behavioral modification for generations.
Ukraine is a proxy. Funded by the US, politically captured by the US in 2014 and now owned by US corporate interests.
Only russian shills make that assertion
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This is very interesting. Please, are you can demonstrate how you receive information in cabin?
Hah! No Comrade, that’s classified.
Maybe they are better suited as part of a counter offensive next year than being rushed in? Biggest issue atm seem to be Russian glide bombs launched from safety in Russia. In order to intercept those planes they have to be somewhat close to the border.
Some extremely clear thinking there. Excellent contribution from Justin
Why have you not had Scott Ritter on?
Truth is not welcome for warmongers...
Boomers love warm, comforting lies.
A South African Boer inviting a convicted pedo and self confessed Russian supporter to the discussion is really odd.
Because they don’t want truth. Have on Colonel Douglas Macgregor.
Thank you for the explanation.