The 2016 facelift made sense because it made the car look more aggressive and more modern, and added a better infotainment system. But the facelift should have only carried on for like 3 years before bringing out a completely new platform. They should have made something like a mild hybrid 1.5 3 cylinder, a 6speed gearbox, some more tech like cruise control, fix the awkward seating position, a properly dampened suspension
I think with the addition of all wheel drive, 250 ish BHP, 3 cylinder hybrid, 6spd box, I'd be a great rival for a GR Yaris etc. Just for the last 'see out' version at least. Would open lots of doors I think.
The awkward seating position comes from annoying modern safety regs I think. The bonnet has to have a certain amount of clearance over the engine, the lights have to be a certain height too. Which means the rest of the bodywork needs to be higher, so the seats need to be high to see over the dash. Only mid/rear engined cars can get away with being low these days.
@@BlatentlyFakeName Why does my current Hyundai i30N have a brilliant seating position then which allows you to get as low as you need and has steering reach? 😅 It’s nothing to do with regulations, it’s just laziness and cost cutting by Fiat/Abarth
Abarth 595 = similes per mile. That is a great line Stef 😀 you certainly gave it some stick!! As a very gentle / reserved 64 year old driver myself, I’ve just got my smiles back by buying an automatic Toyota Aygo, it’s only a three pot one litre, but I’m having great fun using the paddle shifts!! 😂🤦
I know the video is about a "stock" Abarth and stock Abarths in general over the years having not changed, but honestly, its so easy and cheap to get an Abarth to the point that you want it at, whether its more performance your wanting or just a looks overhaul. (I know Stef will know this, but others who are considering an Abarth at this point should know it to)
Sadly Fiat and Abarth seem to be lost at the moment. After all, what new Fiat is there? Even Alfa Romeo seems lost. The parent group needs to get their act together
With EVs cars like this won't exist. You just can't make them and meet all the regulations. It either has to be an ecobox like the 500 electric, or something massive, heavy and expensive like a Tesla if you want some performance.
Great to see you in an Abarth, you nailed it, same old same old, why would you get one of these when you could get a year old Comp, I do miss Bippy. though even if it was the right time. All the best Jerry
Stef the fiat 500, is on sale since Dev.2007 inn Italy. So the platform as Fiat 500 15years . Also the Fiat 500 Abarth, was doing asfalt Rallie demoig as car zero since 2008. So for the engineers and pilots this is an almost 14 years old car. my Mito QV 2012 with sabelts feels ancient, I imagine this Abarths, being sold as new, I don't see the market...go and get one second hand, like a Pista from 2019.
I just got this car. Where is than vacuum solenoid you mentioned? I do find it more tame than pre 2020 abarths I have driven. Also I find the car quite nervous on the straits. I think it's got a wrong alignment out of the factory. Or is it because of the camber of the wheels?
Hopefully they go out with a bang. I own a 2017 comp and I love it. Yet these special editions are just the same car (or less) with a few stickers on. I don't know why anyone would buy a 160bhp 'special edition' ahead of a comp? Hopefully they release a 200-220bhp version with a few new gadgets (limited slip dif/6 speed etc). Also a more aggressive body shape. You look at the evolution of the Fiesta STs etc and Abarth really haven't kept up. I've owned both. The Abarth is definitely a better laugh. Yet the STs are a far better hot hatch. I'm not a Ford fan boy. I've just owned both and still love the comp I currently own😂
Too much power for this car. I have an Abarth 500 tuned to 170hp and it struggles for grip even with PS4s. Also the suspension parts are fragile enough with the stock power.
I've been thinking about this car for a while. It needs a rear view camera and a better tech display in line with most modern cars. It looks fun to drive, and it's one of ghe few cars that will actually fit in my small garage.
@@chriscuthbertson Well yes it is, but i was talking in general with abarths. With i20n i have more power more space in the car,better stability and driving experience. And all that with 5k more if we compare it to f595, but if we compare with the flagships(comp, SS) its 100% not worth it to buy it from my perspective.
Bit out of context but how much power can you get out of the this engine safely and reliably with just a tune ? I‘ ve got an F595 since 2 months now. I dont wanna push the little 1.4 to its limits just wanna have a little more fun i guess 😅.
Abarth had an opportunity to do something special with the 124....but they overpriced it and gave up on it far too early. The 124 project was a half-hearted attempt at best. It's a shame, because it is a brilliant car.
I had 4 Abarths and loved them all, but too small, so had to change and now have a 500x Sport 1.3 Steff, I agree, they've run out of ideas. They should have put the Firefly in, they should have developed the cars more, although there were changes over the years. But not for some time now. Apparently, the 2022 595 std has the 165 BHP engine, so why would you go for this or a Tourismo? I still love them, they are great fun. But I wouldn't buy another now. The Leccy ones will be interesting, I hope they don't have synthetic sound.... They do make you laugh!
I've just been and bought a brand new Turismo this morning and I was asking the salesman about the element of fun being lost in the electric abarths. He confirmed they have a speaker to replicate the exhaust sounds 👀 apparently they're selling well though.
Torque Transfer Control is a electronic limited slip differential. Which works by using the brakes to slow spinning wheels. By default is off. You would use it for driving faster round corners or pulling away. Why is it off as default ? If it was on all the time you would have uneven brake pad wear and for daily driving it’s simply not needed.
Hope you have checked/replaced your R53 supercharger oil. The supercharger drives the water pump and if it fails you end up with a warped head and a shattered supercharger, which are hard to purchase. Easy enough job to do yourself.
Been looking at a 595 as a family whip, (can't be assd making the e46M3 into a reliable daily). It'll never drive more than an hour a journey. Too harsh a ride? Or fun little school run blast?
Abarth has run its course now, churning out the same old stuff for 12 years with endless "special" editions. Do we want electric Abarths, no, no we don't! I fear we may be looking at the demise of Abarth!
@@RudeBomberBoy01 and I guess that's one of the problems - the driver of today doesn't want electric! Going all electric is going to be a very tough sell for Abarth
@@StefABtv okay, and if I was to get a standard 595 Comp from a couple years ago? I assume that wouldn't have the new exhaust as I don't know what year the new exhaust came in from 😅
Great video Stef, unfortunately I'm not struck on the lower bulgey looks from the side, particularly the front, and a little at the rear. I would call it, not trying to be offensive, but a Baby Baluga. The rest sems ok though. Thanks again for sharing your thoughts. Regards, Bob M. South Wales
I upgraded from a 2013 FIAT 500S TA to a 21 plate Essesse and tbh I'm scared of it. I had what I think you described as lift off oversteer just pulling away from stopped at a roundabout trying to get away quickly in a gap and the car snapped to the right but I was able to correct it quickly (I wasn't even in sport mode). I've not had a car as powerful as this before, is there anywhere I can learn how to handle this power as a novice on the road that doesn't involve chucking it around a track?
With higher power cars, you needs to incorporate smoothness with your throttle and braking inputs. Modulate the throttle instead of going full lead-footed mode to prevent spinning and /or upsetting the balance of the car. Those two pedals determine where the weight of the car is shifting: If braking or even lifting off the throttle, the weight shifts to the front and if you’re in a turn, makes it easier to lose the rear end, which can be fixed in a FWD car by adding throttle while steering in the desired path.
Hi, don’t be afraid of your car! Not an insult BTW. I have an Alfa 4C and the same thinking applied. As a previous commenter said smoothness matters. You learn how to trust your car and know how it reacts. Unless you are totally ham-fisted leave the traction control on and it will save you. First, find a stretch of road that is nice driving. Practice full acceleration and braking in straight line. Get to know the road, both ways, drive it a few times. And go back and drive it. A little faster each time. Dry and wet. Drive the right line. Know where the bumps are that compress or unload the suspension. Some big corners and some tighter ones. Don’t try to go fast, try to go smooth. As your speeds increase, coming into a corner, get your braking done early and turn in smoothly, then add power as you reach the apex. You will start to brake harder, and accelerate harder. Be smooth. Smooth equals fast. On public roads always make sure to leave some safety margin. Use the full road when you can see what is happening, not on blind corners. Now some tips: Make sure your tire pressures are on spec. Understand you have a short FWD car with a boosted motor. Be in the right gear going into the turn, with enough rpm that you are quickly on boost as you gently apply power. If you add too much too fast, the car will start to widen its line. It doesn’t have enough traction to add power and turn. Just east off the throttle and the car will tighten line. If you just drop the throttle or worse hit the brakes, weight will transfer forward and the back gets light, and the car will want to over-rotate. You can experiment with this as you get more comfortable. That is lift-off oversteer and as you get comfortable you can use that to your advantage. On the power on oversteer you experienced (it’s not lift off oversteer unless you lifted off the throttle) that is more likely just at slow speed and you gassed it, the turbo kicked in and pulled the car around real quickly more than the back actually coming/sliding around? That would be more RWD behavior. Don’t forget the car is really short! Your car is NOT wildly overpowered so not dangerous. Get used to how it drives and have fun!
One last tip. Head and eyes up, look down the road, where you want to go. Motorcycle riders know that you look where you want to go with absolute discipline, and that whatever you look at you are going to hit. Take that into the car. Especially a small car. Plus it will keep bigger lorries and stuff away from you in regular driving. Even in you everyday driving practice being smooth with acceleration, braking, shifting, and the right line around corners until it is just second nature. Your friends will notice how smoothly you drive! Finally, seat position is important. Don’t sit to far back from the wheel. Be comfortable. Lots of TH-cam videos on high performance driving, take a quick look and use what works for you!
As you rightly said Stef, nothing new in the Abarth . At least however they haven’t killed the line yet for now as they could have cut it short after so many millions of car sales, but then why kill a top seller? I agree 💯 they should definitely give this little Abarth one last Hurrah before going Leccy! Perhaps Abarth could do like what they did when the Punto Mk2 HGT came out and give us a 1.8ltr version? Yes that would bring emissions issues but could you imagine if some one in Turin said “You know what? F**k it! Let’s make this car really ROAR, and made like 200 limited editions . I’d love to see that happen! Plus I’m sure the tech is out there to limit the emissions, if they can do it for Audi and Mercs then…??? Sadly I don’t think Fiat/Abarth will, in essence when the last iteration of this cult classic comes along it will be another pretty ‘variant’…but we can only hope right? 😉😎🤞🏾
No, it is not worth getting. The european version of the Abarth since series 3 delivers a full three second power failure on power request, according to fiat/fca to make it stay within the strict sound emission regulations law. I drove two Abarth together for 8,5 years and they also suffered from continous quality issues right from start.
I honestly don't get why anyone would buy one if they've already got one😂 literally rinsed and repeat since 2010, should have made new sport puntos after 2015. If you buy one of these for a badge, exhuast that they have tilted and left a 5inch gap either side, and some headlight covers, you are daft, all they do is tune the newer ones different😂 why not put a bigger engine in like 1.6 or 1.8 for once. Oh and a 6th gear. 24k for the exact same car for 5k, mindblowing
I sincerely hope they over produce the 500E crate longblocks to swap into these really robust fuselages, also would take up less space in shipping vessels. 😃
The 2016 facelift made sense because it made the car look more aggressive and more modern, and added a better infotainment system. But the facelift should have only carried on for like 3 years before bringing out a completely new platform.
They should have made something like a mild hybrid 1.5 3 cylinder, a 6speed gearbox, some more tech like cruise control, fix the awkward seating position, a properly dampened suspension
I think with the addition of all wheel drive, 250 ish BHP, 3 cylinder hybrid, 6spd box, I'd be a great rival for a GR Yaris etc. Just for the last 'see out' version at least. Would open lots of doors I think.
The awkward seating position comes from annoying modern safety regs I think.
The bonnet has to have a certain amount of clearance over the engine, the lights have to be a certain height too. Which means the rest of the bodywork needs to be higher, so the seats need to be high to see over the dash. Only mid/rear engined cars can get away with being low these days.
@@BlatentlyFakeName Why does my current Hyundai i30N have a brilliant seating position then which allows you to get as low as you need and has steering reach? 😅
It’s nothing to do with regulations, it’s just laziness and cost cutting by Fiat/Abarth
@@SChapps It's a much bigger car so everything isn't so squashed together...
@@BlatentlyFakeName the new 500e has steering wheel reach adjustment?
I love the Abarth - however, the exhaust configuration - why? Looked awesome on previous gen.
Thru the oilpan? ☺️
...the heat in the winter-real quick 😤
I´m glad you are reaching your own TH-cam Space. Don´t wait to had fully completed it to share it with us. Just go ahead!!!
Thanks!
Abarth 595 = similes per mile. That is a great line Stef 😀 you certainly gave it some stick!!
As a very gentle / reserved 64 year old driver myself, I’ve just got my smiles back by buying an automatic Toyota Aygo, it’s only a three pot one litre, but I’m having great fun using the paddle shifts!! 😂🤦
I know the video is about a "stock" Abarth and stock Abarths in general over the years having not changed, but honestly, its so easy and cheap to get an Abarth to the point that you want it at, whether its more performance your wanting or just a looks overhaul. (I know Stef will know this, but others who are considering an Abarth at this point should know it to)
Poor abarth being killed. Agree exhaust looks a mess. Original was good looking! Will be keeping my 70 145 for ages yet...
Thanks for the video, love the office too. Surprised doesn’t have more views. Good luck with the channel!
ABARTH!!! I agree with you, still, always happy to see Abarth on the channel.
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Very honest and detailed review, professionally delivered and refreshing. Cheers
Being from the USA… if I had the option to Buy one New… I’d jump, no… fly to get one!
Sadly Fiat and Abarth seem to be lost at the moment.
After all, what new Fiat is there?
Even Alfa Romeo seems lost.
The parent group needs to get their act together
I really hope the electric version comes as a biposto spec. That would be a game changer
The EV version won't cut it when it comes to performance, unless they are willing to sacrifice range for it.
With EVs cars like this won't exist. You just can't make them and meet all the regulations. It either has to be an ecobox like the 500 electric, or something massive, heavy and expensive like a Tesla if you want some performance.
Great to see you in an Abarth, you nailed it, same old same old, why would you get one of these when you could get a year old Comp, I do miss Bippy. though even if it was the right time. All the best Jerry
Hope you are both well mate 🙌
Short answer yes, long answer hellll yesss
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after owning an f595 for a little over a month now i can only agree
Stef the fiat 500, is on sale since Dev.2007 inn Italy. So the platform as Fiat 500 15years . Also the Fiat 500 Abarth, was doing asfalt Rallie demoig as car zero since 2008. So for the engineers and pilots this is an almost 14 years old car. my Mito QV 2012 with sabelts feels ancient, I imagine this Abarths, being sold as new, I don't see the market...go and get one second hand, like a Pista from 2019.
Can you please do the automatic Abarth review
Still fun - what else you need
I just got this car. Where is than vacuum solenoid you mentioned? I do find it more tame than pre 2020 abarths I have driven.
Also I find the car quite nervous on the straits. I think it's got a wrong alignment out of the factory. Or is it because of the camber of the wheels?
I saw one of these today and was wondering what that badge on the back was!
Hopefully they go out with a bang. I own a 2017 comp and I love it. Yet these special editions are just the same car (or less) with a few stickers on. I don't know why anyone would buy a 160bhp 'special edition' ahead of a comp?
Hopefully they release a 200-220bhp version with a few new gadgets (limited slip dif/6 speed etc). Also a more aggressive body shape.
You look at the evolution of the Fiesta STs etc and Abarth really haven't kept up. I've owned both. The Abarth is definitely a better laugh. Yet the STs are a far better hot hatch. I'm not a Ford fan boy. I've just owned both and still love the comp I currently own😂
Too much power for this car. I have an Abarth 500 tuned to 170hp and it struggles for grip even with PS4s. Also the suspension parts are fragile enough with the stock power.
I've been thinking about this car for a while. It needs a rear view camera and a better tech display in line with most modern cars.
It looks fun to drive, and it's one of ghe few cars that will actually fit in my small garage.
Why should i choose abarth when you can buy for the same money the i20N?
A new i20N is about 5K more
@@chriscuthbertson Well yes it is, but i was talking in general with abarths. With i20n i have more power more space in the car,better stability and driving experience. And all that with 5k more if we compare it to f595, but if we compare with the flagships(comp, SS) its 100% not worth it to buy it from my perspective.
Bit out of context but how much power can you get out of the this engine safely and reliably with just a tune ? I‘ ve got an F595 since 2 months now. I dont wanna push the little 1.4 to its limits just wanna have a little more fun i guess 😅.
That engine can take a lot. Stock internals 250bhp easy
Abarth had an opportunity to do something special with the 124....but they overpriced it and gave up on it far too early. The 124 project was a half-hearted attempt at best. It's a shame, because it is a brilliant car.
I had 4 Abarths and loved them all, but too small, so had to change and now have a 500x Sport 1.3
Steff, I agree, they've run out of ideas. They should have put the Firefly in, they should have developed the cars more, although there were changes over the years. But not for some time now.
Apparently, the 2022 595 std has the 165 BHP engine, so why would you go for this or a Tourismo?
I still love them, they are great fun. But I wouldn't buy another now.
The Leccy ones will be interesting, I hope they don't have synthetic sound....
They do make you laugh!
I've just been and bought a brand new Turismo this morning and I was asking the salesman about the element of fun being lost in the electric abarths. He confirmed they have a speaker to replicate the exhaust sounds 👀 apparently they're selling well though.
I had two 595's but there were minimum changes to them so now I have a 124 Spider. 😊
Hi Stef,
I live in Sydney Australia and im about to buy a new 595 Comp, where can I purchase a wide body kit?
Roy👍
Speak to TMC motorsport dude see what they can offer 🙌
Hi Stef can you explain when and how the ttc button is used?
Torque Transfer Control is a electronic limited slip differential. Which works by using the brakes to slow spinning wheels. By default is off. You would use it for driving faster round corners or pulling away. Why is it off as default ? If it was on all the time you would have uneven brake pad wear and for daily driving it’s simply not needed.
Hope you have checked/replaced your R53 supercharger oil. The supercharger drives the water pump and if it fails you end up with a warped head and a shattered supercharger, which are hard to purchase. Easy enough job to do yourself.
Stef did a video recently on the r53 where it was changed along with a smaller pulley, new inter cooler etc
Yep!
@@justincork3838 My mistake. Just watched the video. Thanks 🙏
Great content as per mate 👌👌
Been looking at a 595 as a family whip, (can't be assd making the e46M3 into a reliable daily). It'll never drive more than an hour a journey. Too harsh a ride? Or fun little school run blast?
Get a fiesta st
@@user-bh6zt1it2l fair. I started with a i20N but even they are trading over list. St has 5 doors and 5 seat belts and can get one well sub 20k.
Those exhaust pipes just look awkward. They should be oval and slightly larger to fit the surround.
Still wish they’d bring it back to the states
Abarth has run its course now, churning out the same old stuff for 12 years with endless "special" editions. Do we want electric Abarths, no, no we don't!
I fear we may be looking at the demise of Abarth!
I work at an Abarth(FCA) dealership and yeah, petrol Abarths will be a thing of the past very very soon..
@@RudeBomberBoy01 and I guess that's one of the problems - the driver of today doesn't want electric! Going all electric is going to be a very tough sell for Abarth
hi, how loud are these in reality? if it was parked on my drive do you think it would annoy the neighbors too much?
Not with the new exhaust it won’t as the valve is shut until 4k rpm
@@StefABtv okay, and if I was to get a standard 595 Comp from a couple years ago? I assume that wouldn't have the new exhaust as I don't know what year the new exhaust came in from 😅
Great video Stef, unfortunately I'm not struck on the lower bulgey looks from the side, particularly the front, and a little at the rear. I would call it, not trying to be offensive, but a Baby Baluga. The rest sems ok though. Thanks again for sharing your thoughts. Regards, Bob M. South Wales
They also need to make the new one AWD. Go for Golf performance
I love the Abarth stunning cars. love to test drive one day x
I upgraded from a 2013 FIAT 500S TA to a 21 plate Essesse and tbh I'm scared of it. I had what I think you described as lift off oversteer just pulling away from stopped at a roundabout trying to get away quickly in a gap and the car snapped to the right but I was able to correct it quickly (I wasn't even in sport mode). I've not had a car as powerful as this before, is there anywhere I can learn how to handle this power as a novice on the road that doesn't involve chucking it around a track?
With higher power cars, you needs to incorporate smoothness with your throttle and braking inputs. Modulate the throttle instead of going full lead-footed mode to prevent spinning and /or upsetting the balance of the car.
Those two pedals determine where the weight of the car is shifting: If braking or even lifting off the throttle, the weight shifts to the front and if you’re in a turn, makes it easier to lose the rear end, which can be fixed in a FWD car by adding throttle while steering in the desired path.
Hi, don’t be afraid of your car! Not an insult BTW. I have an Alfa 4C and the same thinking applied. As a previous commenter said smoothness matters. You learn how to trust your car and know how it reacts. Unless you are totally ham-fisted leave the traction control on and it will save you.
First, find a stretch of road that is nice driving. Practice full acceleration and braking in straight line. Get to know the road, both ways, drive it a few times. And go back and drive it. A little faster each time. Dry and wet. Drive the right line. Know where the bumps are that compress or unload the suspension. Some big corners and some tighter ones. Don’t try to go fast, try to go smooth.
As your speeds increase, coming into a corner, get your braking done early and turn in smoothly, then add power as you reach the apex. You will start to brake harder, and accelerate harder. Be smooth. Smooth equals fast. On public roads always make sure to leave some safety margin. Use the full road when you can see what is happening, not on blind corners.
Now some tips:
Make sure your tire pressures are on spec.
Understand you have a short FWD car with a boosted motor. Be in the right gear going into the turn, with enough rpm that you are quickly on boost as you gently apply power. If you add too much too fast, the car will start to widen its line. It doesn’t have enough traction to add power and turn. Just east off the throttle and the car will tighten line.
If you just drop the throttle or worse hit the brakes, weight will transfer forward and the back gets light, and the car will want to over-rotate. You can experiment with this as you get more comfortable. That is lift-off oversteer and as you get comfortable you can use that to your advantage.
On the power on oversteer you experienced (it’s not lift off oversteer unless you lifted off the throttle) that is more likely just at slow speed and you gassed it, the turbo kicked in and pulled the car around real quickly more than the back actually coming/sliding around? That would be more RWD behavior. Don’t forget the car is really short!
Your car is NOT wildly overpowered so not dangerous. Get used to how it drives and have fun!
One last tip. Head and eyes up, look down the road, where you want to go. Motorcycle riders know that you look where you want to go with absolute discipline, and that whatever you look at you are going to hit. Take that into the car. Especially a small car. Plus it will keep bigger lorries and stuff away from you in regular driving. Even in you everyday driving practice being smooth with acceleration, braking, shifting, and the right line around corners until it is just second nature. Your friends will notice how smoothly you drive!
Finally, seat position is important. Don’t sit to far back from the wheel. Be comfortable. Lots of TH-cam videos on high performance driving, take a quick look and use what works for you!
All that tramping and torque steer just means it can't put it's power down.
No matter what you say, I just won't ever be able buy a F-ing Mini Cooper.
I'll stick to my Abarth punto Evo Supersport, those exhaust pipes look horrible imo
As you rightly said Stef, nothing new in the Abarth . At least however they haven’t killed the line yet for now as they could have cut it short after so many millions of car sales, but then why kill a top seller?
I agree 💯 they should definitely give this little Abarth one last Hurrah before going Leccy!
Perhaps Abarth could do like what they did when the Punto Mk2 HGT came out and give us a 1.8ltr version? Yes that would bring emissions issues but could you imagine if some one in Turin said “You know what? F**k it! Let’s make this car really ROAR, and made like 200 limited editions . I’d love to see that happen! Plus I’m sure the tech is out there to limit the emissions, if they can do it for Audi and Mercs then…???
Sadly I don’t think Fiat/Abarth will, in essence when the last iteration of this cult classic comes along it will be another pretty ‘variant’…but we can only hope right? 😉😎🤞🏾
Such a pity, not even a mechanical self-locking with this manual gearbox !... :-(
The gaps round the pipes are massive and not right
Office looks sweet. 😜
Thanks dude. Getting there slowly!
A fast ev version is going to be such limited mileage the standard 500 gets 100miles
No, it is not worth getting. The european version of the Abarth since series 3 delivers a full three second power failure on power request, according to fiat/fca to make it stay within the strict sound emission regulations law. I drove two Abarth together for 8,5 years and they also suffered from continous quality issues right from start.
The exhaust is horrendous...oh please Fiat let’s have last great version..more power
I honestly don't get why anyone would buy one if they've already got one😂 literally rinsed and repeat since 2010, should have made new sport puntos after 2015. If you buy one of these for a badge, exhuast that they have tilted and left a 5inch gap either side, and some headlight covers, you are daft, all they do is tune the newer ones different😂 why not put a bigger engine in like 1.6 or 1.8 for once. Oh and a 6th gear. 24k for the exact same car for 5k, mindblowing
I sincerely hope they over produce the 500E crate longblocks to swap into these really robust fuselages, also would take up less space in shipping vessels.
😃
R53 is more fun any-day
its been around since 2008 not 10
Did that need a new gearbox when it went back? 🤣
Lol! No gearboxes are solid on these cars :)
Yawn! Why bother bringing out a new model....when it's exactly the same?
Overpriced and old platform. Does not look great anymore, just a fiat with mods. Waist of money.