no one else notice that the "trick or treat" card reads either trick one way and when it's turned upside down it reads treat? Looks like the trick has been on all of you...
+J Bay they are called ambigrams, in this case used to determine the outcome of what is made to believe a 'free choice'. you really think derren would subject a sweet little 75 year old lady to a trick like the 'killing the cat' episode or 'waking up to find you were dead' show?! come on get real
I get teary looking at this sweet old lady. I miss my grand and her sister in law so much. They brought me up like their own and I entirely credit my life to them.
was meant to be a joke. In poker you win $ by getting people to make donkey calls but sometimes it back fired. Like the time i got pocket 3s vs pocket Jacks, flops 3, 10, 7; got the guy to push all in and the turn comes a J. I lost $50.
ha ha so true lol but he did say he can't guarantee what cards fall. she read him well and made great call unfortunately some people play like idiots and still hit a two outer.
+Loc Trang (lock2701) Cool story bro... However you should know that calling an all in w JJ on a flop of undercards is not a donkey call. He had an overpair, made the right call and got lucky. The mere mention of the petty amount of money you lost in the hand makes me thing that you are way out of your financial depth on such small stakes. Maybe you should scale back and play the microstakes. Furthermore, we all have a badbeat story; why did you feel the need to annoy us with one more?
+Staminist This is why I think second place was perfect for the situation. The experience served as a lesson in confidence and skill, but also provided a reminder that there's always a bit of luck involved.
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+Mike D. Yeah I wouldn't trust any of his explanations unless he'd enter a couple big tournaments. If he'd really have such a big edge, he should get good results.
+Echo Ellis I'm pretty sure Derren is banned in a few major casinos for his memorisation techniques. So even if he wanted to play he wouldn't be able to. And I'm pretty sure he's also making big bucks being a extremely good mentalist with a TV show and all. Life is not all about money anyways! And "tells" make up a lot of your calculation, you really have to read your opponent hand more than your own. That's what differentiates an amateur and a pro! A lot of pros sometimes call All-ins based on tells or feelings that they are being bluffed
+Ham absoloutely i'm sure he doesen't need the money but imagine how much fun it would be as a mentalist to play live poker? Also there's a big difference between reading live physical tells (a small part of poker) and reading someones hand based on betting patterns, how they've previously been betting, the line they've taken etc - that is the part that takes years to perfect and experience is key, proffessional players bluff far less than you'd think.
Aidan Ellis Physical tells are equally important to tells based on their hands, that's what really makes or breaks a poker player. Many NLHE players do not know simple verbal tells and many raise with moderate hands trying to hit on the pot. For the bluff part it depends on player's play style I guess. A glass cannon is sure to bluff much more like martinez
EricSmyth14 True, but calling off with an under pair on an ace high flop is usually a bad play. Especially to an amateur all in. The shocking part is the 9 ball on the turn, didn't see that coming.
You don’t know what the blinds were and it’s 3 handed, and we don’t know what his position. It could of been the right play. Normally 3 handed k9s is a raising hand and since she is a novice she played it differently than most poker players would
@BARNES_X23 ASMR THAT argument is dumb. "Knowing ranges" will depend entirely on who you're playing against and what the exact situation is, and these things are extremely fluid and dynamic and all anyone can do is make educated guesses. So saying every pro has "similar knowledge" is really nonsense because that assumes they're all equally good at making those educated guesses and making the best decisions given the exact situation they're in, and that's obviously not the case. Plus, pros give off far less tells because most (especially the internet wizards) are always thinking analytically rather than emotionally. It's also telling that most of the top pros today were those that started online and dominated there, learning stuff like ranges and math where tells are useless, and have made easy transfers into dominating live games. Meanwhile, many of the pros of old who relied on "reading players" are not good online players.
@BARNES_X23 ASMR You said: "People who know ranges are up against other people with similar knowledge," and nowhere in that did you include any exceptions. In any cases, tells are only reliable if players are reliably giving them off, and most players don't. Even with bad players tells can be extremely unpredictable. The problem is that a lot of tells are actually about certain psychological conditions that can apply to a wide range of hands both good and bad. EG, excitement can be felt both when bluffing and when holding monster, or uncertainty felt in any situation where one isn't sure what to do regardless of the strength of their hand. The time/effort it takes to study tells would almost always be better spent studying/adjusting ranges. Of course, if you can do both, then do both.
@BARNES_X23 ASMR You gain an edge against other regs by being better at estimating hand ranges and performing EV calculations. It's that simple. Poker is complex enough that even though both of you might know the basics, you can be better at making adjustments given the specific situation you're in. According to you, there would be no way for some regs to be better than other regs online, but that's clearly not the case.
"A week from now, we're going to enter you... ...in a poker game with some world-class poker players." Terrible place to pause. I must admit I laughed.
+Effendi Chivers As far as my 10 minutes of Googling goes, there was never a poker tournament called Bluff Europe Poker Challenge. Looked up Jeff Duvall's poker game history, no mention of Bluff Europe or Poker Challenge. I strongly suggest these (what I suspect to be mediocre) professional poker players were hired as stooges.
Nik Persaud and Neil Channing are definitely real poker pros, so I assume the others are too. You could say you're a tennis pro, but if you're not in the top 100, who would have heard of you?
I know 4 of those poker players from various poker TV shows , they are not super famous but they are professional poker players . One of them wrote a good book on poker . Also i will point out some of the world richest and best poker players are not well known at all.
They both also say trick upside down. So Derren can ultimately choose whether to give trick or treat. These kinds of stylised fonts are called "Rotational Ambigrams" for anyone wondering. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambigram
91 minute 6-man tournament with a total of 41 hands?!?! LMAO My goldfish has a chance of winning. Did they start with 20 big blinds with 5 minute levels?
I can't believe she managed to make the call on the first hand with only the gutshot and 2nd nut flush draw! Derren must have really taught her how to read live tells!
FuckYouGooglePlus damn how many times are you gunna bitch about him under other people’s comments? I‘m a believer in skepticism and I think it’s good of you to question what you’re watching and scrutinize the tricks you don’t understand but you’ve made like four comments under this video alone. Get a life already. Leave a dislike and gtfo. Obviously you interpret anything you can’t 100% wrap your tiny brain around as fake so it’s not surprising how upset you seem after watching this.
I love pretty much all of Derren's work and i will still enjoy most of his conten, he is really clever and amaze me all the things he does, but in this topic i have enough knowledge winning online for several years and playing live to tell that all of this was pretty much bs. You can't win in poker just by reading tells on people, you need concepts of the game itself to have some edge on the average player, also the guys she faced , were, what we called fishes, just because you have won some couple of grands doesn't make you profesional, the plays that they made against anne are not profesional moves cause against a a fish( or someone new in the game) you don't play that loose, anyways...there's so much unaccurate stuff about poker that derren and the program shows that it's not worth to tell all of them.
Things wrong with the video: - The high/low card part is irrelevant to poker - Physical tells are a small and rare part of the game - The game was 6 handed, odds of coming 1st or 2nd are high - Start stack was 40bb, and next blind level had to be 20bb (50/100) so the game is extremely high variance - 6handed Sit and go's are typically played out multiple times, so Anne may have played multiple games and the ones she lost never got aired - No hands shown had any relevance to gauge a players skill level - None of these players are notable pros, except Channing, who is still a bad-regular in todays poker market However, Anne is a crusher and a total baller at the game
The thing that's really weird is how they commentate all-ins. "Paul had made a major bluff and bet all his remaining chips. To stay in the game and challenge Paul, Anne would have to bet all of her chips too." Theoretically possible they have the exact same stack size, but after ~40 hands it's really really unlikely.
lol. In order to do that, I'm pretty sure you would have to get Derren to give you the footage left on the cutting room floor. As that is most definitely the only place it ever aired!
This is totally B.S the whole thing. For example, 11:45, it talks about her learning a tell and using that to get a good read. She has the second nut flush draw, her calling is just taking the risk, no way she can read he was on a draw.
+Josh Duenas Derren was teaching her only to notice when someone was bluffing or weak. Or when she had higher cards than the other person. I would have to disagree with you buddy :)
+Robert C. Christian What about the fact that was pointed out that there is no info about this tournament anywhere, suggesting it was a fake set up? Just asking because you seem to be the main one defending the legitimacy of this bit.
Kanye Twitty No worries. I know a lot about poker. Do you know any of the players? There was a famous player playing who plays in all the top cash games and tournaments. Tournaments go on all the time. Nothing is stopping any company from creating a tournament. At any rate, Neal Channing is the famous cash and tournament poker player I was talking about. Could they have faked the whole poker tournament? Sure. But from everything I've seen of Derren Brown, he doesn't go around promoting fakery, he goes around exposing it. If he sets something up as fake, he tells everyone at the end or shows everyone. He also tells you vaguely how he's doing things. So there is no reason to think the tournament was faked and not only that, if you play poker, you'd know they were actually playing poker... It wasn't faked. It was a real game, whether or not it was listed in the poker database. It's also possible for you to verify if the tournament is real or not. All you have to do is look in the hendon mob database for Neil Channing. Then you need to find out the date of this tournament or at least the year (by researching when this trick or treat episode was created) and see if you can track which one it was in the hendon mob database. I personally don't need to because as I said, Derren exposes fakes and says to us all exactly what he's doing.
Robert C. Christian Ok, fair enough. I don't know much about poker at all. I agree that Darren is more honest than most magicians but these are still tricks, he may have taught her a method to win, but i think he is misleading the audience to make it appear he is teaching her a very advanced almost supernatural face reading technique but it's probably some boring math based technique shes really learning.
Kanye Twitty I don't think so. If you remember at the beginning, he said he didn't want to teach her much poker because it would get in the way with what he wanted to teach her. I think he just taught her body language techniques and facial reading techniques. It would go a long way if I had this in poker. I do it anyways (most likely not as good as Derren or even close), but it's taken years to learn it. It's a big advantage in my poker game. (I play 3 or 4 times a week in live cash games)
3:34 She's already bluffing you. She's probably a Bridge fiend who keeps her local club under the dominion of her iron fist. Once upon a time at a Magic: the Gathering pre-release tournament I almost got my ass kicked by a grandmother in her 70's. After we played I asked her how she got into Magic. She was a lifelong Bridge enthusiast who noticed her grandson playing this weird card game. She asked him about it, and he taught her how it worked, and she became obsessed. She was amazing; I was damn lucky to win. Someone with decades of experience at high-level Bridge play would probably fall into poker almost naturally.
Now, three years later Anne is in rehab for a crippling gambling addiction after she bet her husband and a horse she didn't own on a mob game in Atlanta...
What a load of absolute BOLLOCKS! 11:05 She has the 2nd nut flush draw, a gutshot straight draw, and an overcard... in what amounts to a Turbo SNG. It barely matters what he has (and he is semi-bluffing with a flush draw... it's not a pure bluff )
jeff is a joke, old lady never played, nines are never good here, its never a bluff, if we are only playing 50 hands, it doesnt prove anything except short term run good, must be staged, no credible tourney lasts for only 50 hands. beginners luck, i won the first two live tourneys i ever played back in 2002, both with over 100 players. i had no real clue what i was doing, and just ran lucky, my take is, same thing is going on here.
Not sure why this was recommended now but w/e. There is way too little information to see whats going on here. A massive all in bluff by T7o - how massive? The stacksizes of each player as well as the position and possible previous action are crucial. Given that only 2 Players were ITM a jam by T7o from the SmallBlind seems possible if he was by far the shortest stack and had very few Chips. Then however K9s is a snap call. Its also wrong to call T7o a bluff in that spot- it all comes down to the sum of fold equity + average equity if called. Seems very misleading on the other hand who am I to tell you that a Magician uses deception ;)
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The real skill here is Derren's commentary, influencing how we view what's going on. Notice that on the lucky draws "she read his bluff correctly" and it's her skills winning, and on the unlucky draw "it was just bad luck".
+Kabitu1 Im playing a lot of poker and watch a lot of poker. I understand that it might seem that way, but she really read those players damn well and the hand she lost was bad luck. With a pair of 99s in your hand the chance that another 9 hits is about 10% of the time. This means that on the Flop 8 A 8 she has a ~90% chance to win with the Ace she has.
+Mark Wintrich The odds are closer to 8% to hit the the 3rd 9, closer to 8% on the turn and 4% on the river if the turn was a blank. She made the right call pushing all in any poker player that says overwise I have no words for
+Kabitu1 It is more likely that he has influenced us by selecting the hands she played best. Perhaps she is just a calling station and these guys suck. The whole thing is just not clear enough for any judgement.
netfischer What I mean is, if that card had come out in her favor, I'll bet my balls Derren would've been all "amazingly she made the right call, and wins the pot", no mention of luck or chance.
Derren is a mentalist, this includes many things like hypnosis and magic, he should be a great hypnotist, but idk if he knows hypnotherapy... I'm also a hypnotist, but I don't want to go to hypnotherapy
lol she had to decide if he was bluffing and picked up on a tell LOLOLOLOL She had the 2nd nut draw in a 6 handed tourney, if she folds there she didn't learn anything haha I love the commentating saying she's reading every player lmao, I guarantee that's not even going through her mind
its all rigged, he was gonna do treat anyways, if u watch the other video, u see that the cards are the same, but rotated 180 degrees, so either one can say the same thing, but nice to do treat to an old lady
These so called high poker pros, forgot the most basic in element in poker: You don't beat an amateur by bluffing him or making trick plays, you beat him or in this case a nice elderly lady, you beat her, with basic poker fundamentals
@@jonathanhenderson9422, You said, "The problem is the tournament wasn't structured to allow that strategy to work", …..sorry but that doesn't make any sense. There was 5 Poker pros playing vs at best, a novice poker player and she outlasted all of them. IT wasn't the structure , it was the fault of the pros not making adjustments.
@@LEFTaTIP She outlasted them by chance because the structure largely negated the skill gap and forced them to take risks. For skill to consistently beat luck in poker you need time and a healthy blind-to-stack size ratio and neither was present here. Start this tourney with 300 big blinds and make the levels 2 hours and then they could've beaten her with fundamentals easily. 40 big blinds and 90 minutes for an entire tournament... might as well roll dice to determine the winner. Hell, it's easy to go 90 minutes without seeing a single premium hand. The only real strategy here is to take shots and hope you get lucky.
I am pretty surprised by all the comments here, thought most people should be able to tell that this whole show is scripted. The poker theory they are talking about doesn't apply in real world poker, and the poker game doesn't make any sense if you actually know how to play poker.
+KillEveryoneKillPhil haha, I have this feeling form the start when they hired all the actors on that bus. In reality, if the bus is going a different route, this old lady should notice, and when the bus parked at a strange place with all the lights off, the old lady should freak out. However she acted like nothing happened, not even a change of facial expression. If it's poker, then I have to say that's a bad bluff.lol Then it comes to the poker training part.One person is reading out all the cards, and they are guessing which card that person has as well as the suit of that card. This part actually made me laugh so hard. Not a person without superpower can pull this off. If they just guess the card, that's acceptable, but the suit of the card? And I'll leave no comment for the poker game. It goes the way exactly where I expected, as ridiculous as the previous script. I guess I played too much poker, and I pick up tells on everything. lol.
+br0dskalk When you see a 3-year-old goof around with a basketball, would you believe if I say he plays for the NBA league? Of course not, because he can barely dribble the ball! That's how the poker game goes in this video.
+Xiao Zhu I've seen magic tricks in which a person guesses what card is the volunteer thinking within a single try. And I myself have guessed entire phone numbers with only two attemps for each number. Sometimes I played games like that with my sister when I was a child.
+Xiao Zhu I got called up on one of Derren's live shows and he guessed 3 times in a row a film I was thinking of. I'm inclined to believe it is possible to read signals on people judged on that.
Calling with a K-high flush draw, calling an all in with K-9 suited, 3 handed against the short stack, and going all in heads up with A-Q on an 8-A-8 board, is all pretty standard stuff in poker. Her opponents dont play so great either. If she were to play a real tournament with hundreds of players and real pro's, she wouldnt even make it to the top 50%.
Wow this is major crap. I'm speaking as v profitable mid stakes player. So many wrong things in this video. First of all, 6 person 1 table, 90 min game is a hyper turbo structure (high variance). Also, nobody hosts 6 ppl tournaments. Secondly, those were smallish time players who played bad. Last hand, guy with 99 bets on 88A board. Its a basic mistake. You fold all the worst hands, get called only by 8 or A. Another thing : ppl aren't showing strength or weakness when semi bluffing (bet a good draw). Read that... I could go on and on
Wait. Six pro's play a tournament for " over NINETY ONE MINUTES " . .. The whole thing seems very suspect, 1) hijack an old lady's bus to drive her to the middle of nowhere to tell her she has been selected. 2) teach her the rules. 3) she goes home and crushes. 4) on the last day teach her how to spot bluffs. 5) 6 pro's play a sng for hardly an hour culminating in the top dog calling with 9's on an A88 flop.... We don't know stack sizes or level times I agree, but overall I just don't buy it, he is a professional at exploiting human psychology though (or pretends to be trying to claim that that isn't what he is doing so we would assume we are smart by deducing that it is, however the real trick here is a dedicated team working behind the scenes to create content which is designed to fool anybody who doesn't care to consider that what they are seeing might not be what they believe they are seeing) Wow what a mouthful.
I thought the premise of the show was interesting. Unfortunately I don't think the producers of the show thought it was interesting and they decided to fake stuff. I agree the poker game didn't seem real. Certainly we learned nothing about her betting strategy in the course of the video. I thought the whole magically figure out what cards her opponents had seemed stupid. I'll tell you what. Let's do an experiment and let her try her skills at card reading against real card players in an independent test. Writing this has made me annoyed enough I'm going to down vote the video. I thought the old lady was great though. I would like to see her play in a genuine poker game.
As long as you know the basic poker rules, anyone can win a 6 man sit and go with a starting stack of 40bb's and it doesn't prove anything. The calls she made too like with K3s on 246ss were completely standard almost irrelevant if she thought the other person was bluffing or not. Same with the K9 vs the T7o.
+Tristan Taffs the cards have both trick and treat on them, if you rotate them 180 degrees, you get the other, he decides whether thy get trick or treat or not
That old lady must have thought she was going to be murdered when everyone ran away
Great response though: "Oh dear"
"Stay where you are." Whaaat the fuuuuuck
That "oh dear" made my night, poor lady barely made it!
IKR? I thought that was kinda mean. I hope they didn't let her sit there for more than a few seconds before Derren came downstairs.
She did look rather like she was out of her comfort zone...
Massive respect for the guy at the end to admit it was luck that he won
she's now a gambling addict
Is this a joke
@@johnkenny6718 no
@@joyfulness9968 any links for this?
Plot twist
But she does like a pizza
no one else notice that the "trick or treat" card reads either trick one way and when it's turned upside down it reads treat? Looks like the trick has been on all of you...
@2:43
+J Bay yeah i noticed that, I think in season two (or maybe just later episodes, i don't remember) they started using cards that weren't the same
+LoggyK I have the DVD collection and he exposes that himself in one of the last experiments.
+J Bay There is many way for doing that, it is for sure he controlled the "game" XD. Thanks for pointing it out.
+J Bay they are called ambigrams, in this case used to determine the outcome of what is made to believe a 'free choice'. you really think derren would subject a sweet little 75 year old lady to a trick like the 'killing the cat' episode or 'waking up to find you were dead' show?! come on get real
ah Anne is so cute.
I know she is adorable
When she says oh dear at the start I began to well up I screamed noooooo
Jamie Caldwell, I know what you mean! hahahaha. She's such a SWEET and ADORABLE lady that no one want's anything bad to happen to her! LOL.
Every elderly woman are lovely
I get teary looking at this sweet old lady. I miss my grand and her sister in law so much. They brought me up like their own and I entirely credit my life to them.
Darren forgot to teach Anne how to survive donkey calls.
+Loc Trang (lock2701) Dont have enough information about pre-flop and her play style to make that judgement, but okay.
was meant to be a joke. In poker you win $ by getting people to make donkey calls but sometimes it back fired. Like the time i got pocket 3s vs pocket Jacks, flops 3, 10, 7; got the guy to push all in and the turn comes a J. I lost $50.
ha ha so true lol but he did say he can't guarantee what cards fall. she read him well and made great call unfortunately some people play like idiots and still hit a two outer.
+Loc Trang (lock2701) Cool story bro...
However you should know that calling an all in w JJ on a flop of undercards is not a donkey call. He had an overpair, made the right call and got lucky. The mere mention of the petty amount of money you lost in the hand makes me thing that you are way out of your financial depth on such small stakes. Maybe you should scale back and play the microstakes.
Furthermore, we all have a badbeat story; why did you feel the need to annoy us with one more?
+Loc Trang (lock2701) There is no surviving donkey calls, except not making bluffs that a thinking player would respect.
You need to understand that everything you do at the poker table conveys information.
you can't be all loosey goosey, having a sandwich.
@@fonzemusic3718 ah we have a man of culture.
Yeah, says who?!?!
@@lyingcat9022 Danial Negrano
It is spelled Danniel Negrenoo
Derron Brown should play a WSOP , see how far he gets.
right. i doubt he would get past the muppet round.
He wouldn't go far. This was ridiculously fake
I imagine Darren got the lady hooked on poker now :D
+Staminist And she bet her life savings, and came in last..poor gal.
+Staminist This is why I think second place was perfect for the situation. The experience served as a lesson in confidence and skill, but also provided a reminder that there's always a bit of luck involved.
She's to old to be playing poker anyway
+J_D0g Wiscr4ck i think doyle brunson would disagree with you ;)
der Mann Yeah, one guy will disagree with me
Aww, he made both the cards treat, the card can be flipped over and say the opposite. He made them both treat not trick! Bless her.
Carey
lol Clever but sick
Ambigram, I'm so glad someone else saw it, which means Derron had already decided to treat the lady 👍
I'm 2 minutes in and I just have to say, Derren's way with the elderly is just lovely. Not condescending, not over-sincere, just kind and humorous.
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Shake away
😂
@@perryoparsonneseatingjuicy8738 😂
@@perryoparsonneseatingjuicy8738 that was a violation
Professional poker is based mostly on the correct calculation behind the decisions. The "tells" and "feelings" play only small role in the mix :-)
+Mike D. very true and this takes time, plus if it was that easy to read people Darren would be a poker millionaire instead of hypnotist
+Mike D. Yeah I wouldn't trust any of his explanations unless he'd enter a couple big tournaments. If he'd really have such a big edge, he should get good results.
+Echo Ellis I'm pretty sure Derren is banned in a few major casinos for his memorisation techniques. So even if he wanted to play he wouldn't be able to. And I'm pretty sure he's also making big bucks being a extremely good mentalist with a TV show and all. Life is not all about money anyways!
And "tells" make up a lot of your calculation, you really have to read your opponent hand more than your own. That's what differentiates an amateur and a pro! A lot of pros sometimes call All-ins based on tells or feelings that they are being bluffed
+Ham absoloutely i'm sure he doesen't need the money but imagine how much fun it would be as a mentalist to play live poker? Also there's a big difference between reading live physical tells (a small part of poker) and reading someones hand based on betting patterns, how they've previously been betting, the line they've taken etc - that is the part that takes years to perfect and experience is key, proffessional players bluff far less than you'd think.
Aidan Ellis Physical tells are equally important to tells based on their hands, that's what really makes or breaks a poker player. Many NLHE players do not know simple verbal tells and many raise with moderate hands trying to hit on the pot.
For the bluff part it depends on player's play style I guess. A glass cannon is sure to bluff much more like martinez
What a sweetheart she is. This is one of my favourite things Derren has done.
"Pros"... doing what "Pros" do, you know... going all in with 10-7 off.. Just "Pro" stuff.
+kekagiso they are pro's
+kekagiso I preferred the call with 99 and two outer on the turn
+Tyler Durden 2 pair is hard to beat my friend
EricSmyth14 True, but calling off with an under pair on an ace high flop is usually a bad play. Especially to an amateur all in. The shocking part is the 9 ball on the turn, didn't see that coming.
kekagiso zynga poker: the life
"Playing for almost an hour" and only one "Pro" left. One of which, pushes all in with 10 7 off suit pre flop?!
Soooooo fake lol
AJ H Not necessarily, those “pros” have hardly any winnings. They suck.
You don’t know what the blinds were and it’s 3 handed, and we don’t know what his position. It could of been the right play. Normally 3 handed k9s is a raising hand and since she is a novice she played it differently than most poker players would
Channing is a pro player and commentator. Those figures of winnings are not true. Much higher
Ahmet Ali I wouldn’t announce to the government how much money I make playing cards either
@@stanvaksman5651 even a pro wouldn't shove with those cards on a loose cannon. It's fake
anyone who thinks poker is really about reading tells, i want at my table.
Right?? I'd win against all of these people
At best a tell might tip the scales in a close call, but it's vastly less important than math, ranges, position, etc.
@BARNES_X23 ASMR THAT argument is dumb. "Knowing ranges" will depend entirely on who you're playing against and what the exact situation is, and these things are extremely fluid and dynamic and all anyone can do is make educated guesses. So saying every pro has "similar knowledge" is really nonsense because that assumes they're all equally good at making those educated guesses and making the best decisions given the exact situation they're in, and that's obviously not the case. Plus, pros give off far less tells because most (especially the internet wizards) are always thinking analytically rather than emotionally. It's also telling that most of the top pros today were those that started online and dominated there, learning stuff like ranges and math where tells are useless, and have made easy transfers into dominating live games. Meanwhile, many of the pros of old who relied on "reading players" are not good online players.
@BARNES_X23 ASMR You said: "People who know ranges are up against other people with similar knowledge," and nowhere in that did you include any exceptions. In any cases, tells are only reliable if players are reliably giving them off, and most players don't. Even with bad players tells can be extremely unpredictable. The problem is that a lot of tells are actually about certain psychological conditions that can apply to a wide range of hands both good and bad. EG, excitement can be felt both when bluffing and when holding monster, or uncertainty felt in any situation where one isn't sure what to do regardless of the strength of their hand. The time/effort it takes to study tells would almost always be better spent studying/adjusting ranges. Of course, if you can do both, then do both.
@BARNES_X23 ASMR You gain an edge against other regs by being better at estimating hand ranges and performing EV calculations. It's that simple. Poker is complex enough that even though both of you might know the basics, you can be better at making adjustments given the specific situation you're in. According to you, there would be no way for some regs to be better than other regs online, but that's clearly not the case.
I'm a bit shaky.. That's alright, shake away. xD
Anne's reading abilities are making Negreanu uncomfortable at the table.... easy, Anne, easy.
I'd like to see her play with Phil Ivey
Wow what a hero call she had a king high flush draw
And a gutshot.
Against top pair she would be a 50:50 flip, and against a worst FD she would be a big favorite.
The way the old lady was able to sort the low from high cards was out of this world.
6 player tournament starting with 40 big blinds might as well be Bingo.
Agreed, I am shocked it lasted more than 30 hands.
"A week from now, we're going to enter you...
...in a poker game with some world-class poker players."
Terrible place to pause. I must admit I laughed.
LMAO!!
These pros with their biggest wins of 77k are not the best in the country 😂
lol they are not poker pros, they are donks
+Effendi Chivers As far as my 10 minutes of Googling goes, there was never a poker tournament called Bluff Europe Poker Challenge. Looked up Jeff Duvall's poker game history, no mention of Bluff Europe or Poker Challenge. I strongly suggest these (what I suspect to be mediocre) professional poker players were hired as stooges.
+Mark McGough no you do have bluff magazine though haha, have no were near the money of the top uk pros.
Nik Persaud and Neil Channing are definitely real poker pros, so I assume the others are too. You could say you're a tennis pro, but if you're not in the top 100, who would have heard of you?
Anthony Holden wrote the bloody book on Poker! He's been playing in the WSOP since the 80's, trust me, he's no "donk"!
I know 4 of those poker players from various poker TV shows , they are not super famous but they are professional poker players . One of them wrote a good book on poker . Also i will point out some of the world richest and best poker players are not well known at all.
Maybe it is because I am a total prick, but I would have LOVED to see what they would have done as 'trick' for this old lady XD
you realize it says treat on both cards
They both also say trick upside down. So Derren can ultimately choose whether to give trick or treat. These kinds of stylised fonts are called "Rotational Ambigrams" for anyone wondering.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambigram
it is merely the illusion of choice as this entire show is illusory at heart
Her trick would've been a 50 man bukkake party
He would Leave her on that bus hypnotised
When Derren says 'don't call me mr brown sirs fine' 😂😆
91 minute 6-man tournament with a total of 41 hands?!?! LMAO My goldfish has a chance of winning. Did they start with 20 big blinds with 5 minute levels?
40 blinds.
They started with FORTY LOL.
I can't believe she managed to make the call on the first hand with only the gutshot and 2nd nut flush draw! Derren must have really taught her how to read live tells!
FuckYouGooglePlus damn how many times are you gunna bitch about him under other people’s comments? I‘m a believer in skepticism and I think it’s good of you to question what you’re watching and scrutinize the tricks you don’t understand but you’ve made like four comments under this video alone. Get a life already. Leave a dislike and gtfo. Obviously you interpret anything you can’t 100% wrap your tiny brain around as fake so it’s not surprising how upset you seem after watching this.
10:40 "BIGGEST LOSS: WON'T SAY"
Sold the House, wife and children, A kidney and an eye...
gg
@@carlossaroufim sold the wife and children? lmao
I love pretty much all of Derren's work and i will still enjoy most of his conten, he is really clever and amaze me all the things he does, but in this topic i have enough knowledge winning online for several years and playing live to tell that all of this was pretty much bs. You can't win in poker just by reading tells on people, you need concepts of the game itself to have some edge on the average player, also the guys she faced , were, what we called fishes, just because you have won some couple of grands doesn't make you profesional, the plays that they made against anne are not profesional moves cause against a a fish( or someone new in the game) you don't play that loose, anyways...there's so much unaccurate stuff about poker that derren and the program shows that it's not worth to tell all of them.
+Cris D lol neil channing and nick persaud are not fish
+Cris D na dude, you are wrong.
Going all in pre flop with a Q high is what all the pros do these days!
If she had picked "Trick" would she have been drawn and quartered?
This was great to watch! Too bad she got unlucky in the end, but as Derren also says, no matter how good the player, luck still has its say.
These are some pros, going all in with T7o
Lol
+Xtraderr It's often correct in a tournament.
+Xtraderr Pro troll
It's actually not a troll ....
Fish Rapist
He is a famous TH-cam Pro, I would know.
Things wrong with the video:
- The high/low card part is irrelevant to poker
- Physical tells are a small and rare part of the game
- The game was 6 handed, odds of coming 1st or 2nd are high
- Start stack was 40bb, and next blind level had to be 20bb (50/100) so the game is extremely high variance
- 6handed Sit and go's are typically played out multiple times, so Anne may have played multiple games and the ones she lost never got aired
- No hands shown had any relevance to gauge a players skill level
- None of these players are notable pros, except Channing, who is still a bad-regular in todays poker market
However, Anne is a crusher and a total baller at the game
The thing that's really weird is how they commentate all-ins. "Paul had made a major bluff and bet all his remaining chips. To stay in the game and challenge Paul, Anne would have to bet all of her chips too."
Theoretically possible they have the exact same stack size, but after ~40 hands it's really really unlikely.
This was the fakest poker event ever no one believes this actually happens right ?
Hopefully not poker pro in 2 weeks is just ridiculous
Whether it is fake or not, it is entertaining nonetheless
Anne Chance = Any Chance?
What a joke, play a hundred tournaments or 100,000 cash hands against anyone who is half decent and she's lose everything.
what a lovely old lady
The ones being bluffed are the viewers. Unsubscribed and no more Derren Brown for me. I hate bullshit.
Has anyone else seen the full match? Can't seem to find "Bluff Europe Poker Challenge."
Wouldn't mind watching the whole show.
lol. In order to do that, I'm pretty sure you would have to get Derren to give you the footage left on the cutting room floor. As that is most definitely the only place it ever aired!
YOU LEFT THAT OLD LADY ON A BUS IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE
Right? And when the camera cuts, she's walking alone at night. lol
I seriously hope they actually brought her home.
This is totally B.S the whole thing. For example, 11:45, it talks about her learning a tell and using that to get a good read. She has the second nut flush draw, her calling is just taking the risk, no way she can read he was on a draw.
+Josh Duenas Derren was teaching her only to notice when someone was bluffing or weak. Or when she had higher cards than the other person. I would have to disagree with you buddy :)
+Robert C. Christian What about the fact that was pointed out that there is no info about this tournament anywhere, suggesting it was a fake set up? Just asking because you seem to be the main one defending the legitimacy of this bit.
Kanye Twitty No worries. I know a lot about poker. Do you know any of the players?
There was a famous player playing who plays in all the top cash games and tournaments.
Tournaments go on all the time. Nothing is stopping any company from creating a tournament.
At any rate, Neal Channing is the famous cash and tournament poker player I was talking about.
Could they have faked the whole poker tournament?
Sure. But from everything I've seen of Derren Brown, he doesn't go around promoting fakery, he goes around exposing it.
If he sets something up as fake, he tells everyone at the end or shows everyone.
He also tells you vaguely how he's doing things.
So there is no reason to think the tournament was faked and not only that, if you play poker, you'd know they were actually playing poker...
It wasn't faked. It was a real game, whether or not it was listed in the poker database.
It's also possible for you to verify if the tournament is real or not.
All you have to do is look in the hendon mob database for Neil Channing.
Then you need to find out the date of this tournament or at least the year (by researching when this trick or treat episode was created) and see if you can track which one it was in the hendon mob database.
I personally don't need to because as I said, Derren exposes fakes and says to us all exactly what he's doing.
Robert C. Christian
Ok, fair enough. I don't know much about poker at all. I agree that Darren is more honest than most magicians but these are still tricks, he may have taught her a method to win, but i think he is misleading the audience to make it appear he is teaching her a very advanced almost supernatural face reading technique but it's probably some boring math based technique shes really learning.
Kanye Twitty I don't think so. If you remember at the beginning, he said he didn't want to teach her much poker because it would get in the way with what he wanted to teach her.
I think he just taught her body language techniques and facial reading techniques.
It would go a long way if I had this in poker. I do it anyways (most likely not as good as Derren or even close), but it's taken years to learn it. It's a big advantage in my poker game. (I play 3 or 4 times a week in live cash games)
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3:23 Kind of cheeky of Darren to tell an old lady to call him "sir". Haha!
3:34 She's already bluffing you. She's probably a Bridge fiend who keeps her local club under the dominion of her iron fist.
Once upon a time at a Magic: the Gathering pre-release tournament I almost got my ass kicked by a grandmother in her 70's. After we played I asked her how she got into Magic. She was a lifelong Bridge enthusiast who noticed her grandson playing this weird card game. She asked him about it, and he taught her how it worked, and she became obsessed. She was amazing; I was damn lucky to win.
Someone with decades of experience at high-level Bridge play would probably fall into poker almost naturally.
I can't wait to see the David Tennant episode of Trick or Treat. That would be fun.
...as his character from "Good Omens"?
Now, three years later Anne is in rehab for a crippling gambling addiction after she bet her husband and a horse she didn't own on a mob game in Atlanta...
i love how she just signs that contract without reading it xd
What a load of absolute BOLLOCKS! 11:05 She has the 2nd nut flush draw, a gutshot straight draw, and an overcard... in what amounts to a Turbo SNG. It barely matters what he has
(and he is semi-bluffing with a flush draw... it's not a pure bluff )
both cards are the same. trick is the same as treat written upside down.
so everyone is going to get trick?
it's up to him if he wants to trick or treat the volunteer.
Ha! Didn't realise that. Thanks.
he shows this in one of his videos
derren flips the treat around making both cards trick
Comatose Labotamy no its not
Derren!! you better stop scaring old people lol
"Hi I'm Darren Brown, and this is my masterclass".
*World ends*
I'm actually happy she got treat I couldn't bare it if she got trick ngl 😅
jeff is a joke, old lady never played, nines are never good here, its never a bluff, if we are only playing 50 hands, it doesnt prove anything except short term run good, must be staged, no credible tourney lasts for only 50 hands. beginners luck, i won the first two live tourneys i ever played back in 2002, both with over 100 players. i had no real clue what i was doing, and just ran lucky, my take is, same thing is going on here.
Neil Channing the bloke who was playing in this has said he believes she had an earpiece and someone was telling her what to do
Trick and Treat cards are ambigrams. Clever.
Lol. Picks treat, mmmm something quite nice happens to be us tying you down and having these 50 black men run a train on you!
"How to give an old lady a heart attack..."
spoiler alert: the Trick and Treat are homologous. You can turn one upside down to say the opposite. Everyone gets a treat regardless of the choice.
Not exactly Ivey, Antonius, durrrr, hellmuth etc. etc
nahh hellmuth is there, check the guy's nick name
She probably wouldn't read durrrr lol
Not sure why this was recommended now but w/e. There is way too little information to see whats going on here. A massive all in bluff by T7o - how massive? The stacksizes of each player as well as the position and possible previous action are crucial. Given that only 2 Players were ITM a jam by T7o from the SmallBlind seems possible if he was by far the shortest stack and had very few Chips. Then however K9s is a snap call. Its also wrong to call T7o a bluff in that spot- it all comes down to the sum of fold equity + average equity if called. Seems very misleading on the other hand who am I to tell you that a Magician uses deception ;)
10 7 not suited pre flop!? Lol professional my arse
It takes years to master Texas Hold Em lol
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The real skill here is Derren's commentary, influencing how we view what's going on. Notice that on the lucky draws "she read his bluff correctly" and it's her skills winning, and on the unlucky draw "it was just bad luck".
+Kabitu1 Im playing a lot of poker and watch a lot of poker. I understand that it might seem that way, but she really read those players damn well and the hand she lost was bad luck. With a pair of 99s in your hand the chance that another 9 hits is about 10% of the time. This means that on the Flop 8 A 8 she has a ~90% chance to win with the Ace she has.
+Mark Wintrich The odds are closer to 8% to hit the the 3rd 9, closer to 8% on the turn and 4% on the river if the turn was a blank. She made the right call pushing all in any poker player that says overwise I have no words for
+Kabitu1 It is more likely that he has influenced us by selecting the hands she played best. Perhaps she is just a calling station and these guys suck. The whole thing is just not clear enough for any judgement.
+Kabitu1 There might be misdirection going on, but that's not it. Her hand obviously was massively superior with that flop.
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What I mean is, if that card had come out in her favor, I'll bet my balls Derren would've been all "amazingly she made the right call, and wins the pot", no mention of luck or chance.
When she said "Oh dear" my heart broke.
Agreed, I asked my wife why someone would do that to an old lady
These players are pros? lol
+den525 Keep in mind, they are from Europe 😹😹😹😹😹
Both cards said both 'Trick' & 'Treat'. Ambigrams.
Anne's book on live reads, called Anne "Tells" All, is set to be published by the end of the year.
I wish my hypnotherapist was as good as Darren, so far all I've got is a salty mouth.
Ffs Wuji
Derren is a mentalist, this includes many things like hypnosis and magic, he should be a great hypnotist, but idk if he knows hypnotherapy... I'm also a hypnotist, but I don't want to go to hypnotherapy
Any poker player worth their salt know that new players call far too often, so it's no use trying to bluff them.
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@@lalafirdous5717 What?
lol she had to decide if he was bluffing and picked up on a tell LOLOLOLOL She had the 2nd nut draw in a 6 handed tourney, if she folds there she didn't learn anything haha I love the commentating saying she's reading every player lmao, I guarantee that's not even going through her mind
i know right this is all for show and fake, she aint calling off all her chips with just King high twice
I love how Anthony won't tell us his biggest loss XD
um, was it just me or did the trick and treat cards say the other thing upside down?
lol poker pros, never heard of these guys
The "Trick" and "Treat" cards are identical. The words are just flippable.
very sweet that he intentionally chose treat for the kind old lady :>
its all rigged, he was gonna do treat anyways, if u watch the other video, u see that the cards are the same, but rotated 180 degrees, so either one can say the same thing, but nice to do treat to an old lady
no shit buddy
they both say trick they both say treat
+Yhowbyjytub310 maybe cuz he doesnt wanna use his demon magic to fuck this poor old lady up ;)
Yeah.... We all know ambigrams bro.... Dan Brown kinda made them part of the public awareness in angles and demons
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First vid I've watched of the trick or treat, and I figured it out immediately. The trick card upside down says treat.
These so called high poker pros, forgot the most basic in element in poker: You don't beat an amateur by bluffing him or making trick plays, you beat him or in this case a nice elderly lady, you beat her, with basic poker fundamentals
The problem is the tournament wasn't structured to allow that strategy to work; the pros knew it was a crapshoot where they'd have to take chances.
@@jonathanhenderson9422, You said, "The problem is the tournament wasn't structured to allow that strategy to work", …..sorry but that doesn't make any sense. There was 5 Poker pros playing vs at best, a novice poker player and she outlasted all of them. IT wasn't the structure , it was the fault of the pros not making adjustments.
@@LEFTaTIP She outlasted them by chance because the structure largely negated the skill gap and forced them to take risks. For skill to consistently beat luck in poker you need time and a healthy blind-to-stack size ratio and neither was present here. Start this tourney with 300 big blinds and make the levels 2 hours and then they could've beaten her with fundamentals easily. 40 big blinds and 90 minutes for an entire tournament... might as well roll dice to determine the winner. Hell, it's easy to go 90 minutes without seeing a single premium hand. The only real strategy here is to take shots and hope you get lucky.
Who's going to willingly beat an old lady at lowstakes poker on TV?
I also wonder why these players agreed to show up?
uh....because they were hired from Cennex casting and paid to be there! lol.
I am pretty surprised by all the comments here, thought most people should be able to tell that this whole show is scripted. The poker theory they are talking about doesn't apply in real world poker, and the poker game doesn't make any sense if you actually know how to play poker.
+KillEveryoneKillPhil haha, I have this feeling form the start when they hired all the actors on that bus. In reality, if the bus is going a different route, this old lady should notice, and when the bus parked at a strange place with all the lights off, the old lady should freak out. However she acted like nothing happened, not even a change of facial expression. If it's poker, then I have to say that's a bad bluff.lol
Then it comes to the poker training part.One person is reading out all the cards, and they are guessing which card that person has as well as the suit of that card. This part actually made me laugh so hard. Not a person without superpower can pull this off. If they just guess the card, that's acceptable, but the suit of the card?
And I'll leave no comment for the poker game. It goes the way exactly where I expected, as ridiculous as the previous script.
I guess I played too much poker, and I pick up tells on everything. lol.
***** Dude, before you write an essay, I suggest you learn some poker concepts. Just basic concepts are enough.
+br0dskalk When you see a 3-year-old goof around with a basketball, would you believe if I say he plays for the NBA league? Of course not, because he can barely dribble the ball!
That's how the poker game goes in this video.
+Xiao Zhu I've seen magic tricks in which a person guesses what card is the volunteer thinking within a single try. And I myself have guessed entire phone numbers with only two attemps for each number. Sometimes I played games like that with my sister when I was a child.
+Xiao Zhu I got called up on one of Derren's live shows and he guessed 3 times in a row a film I was thinking of. I'm inclined to believe it is possible to read signals on people judged on that.
Plot twist: Anne is really a divorced father wearing drag, working as a nanny, and trying to win his family back, one poker hand at time.
I love that sweet grandma... Just wanna hug her =)
Calling with a K-high flush draw, calling an all in with K-9 suited, 3 handed against the short stack, and going all in heads up with A-Q on an 8-A-8 board, is all pretty standard stuff in poker. Her opponents dont play so great either. If she were to play a real tournament with hundreds of players and real pro's, she wouldnt even make it to the top 50%.
If you're calling all-in with k-9 suited, I would love to play poker with you some time
Once you know it's all stooges and the occasional camera trick, there's not much beyond the pseudopsychology.
She's lovely, but the bus part made me worry.
for all we know, Derren could have shot the bus scene AFTER the rest of the show was already in the can just to tighten the drama.
If he can teach an old lady how to become a poker genius in a week, I assume Derren Brown has won a fortune playing poker.
My guess is he *could* but it either isn't his interest, or he doesn't need to.
Wow this is major crap. I'm speaking as v profitable mid stakes player. So many wrong things in this video.
First of all, 6 person 1 table, 90 min game is a hyper turbo structure (high variance). Also, nobody hosts 6 ppl tournaments.
Secondly, those were smallish time players who played bad. Last hand, guy with 99 bets on 88A board. Its a basic mistake. You fold all the worst hands, get called only by 8 or A.
Another thing : ppl aren't showing strength or weakness when semi bluffing (bet a good draw). Read that...
I could go on and on
Wait. Six pro's play a tournament for " over NINETY ONE MINUTES " . .. The whole thing seems very suspect, 1) hijack an old lady's bus to drive her to the middle of nowhere to tell her she has been selected. 2) teach her the rules. 3) she goes home and crushes. 4) on the last day teach her how to spot bluffs. 5) 6 pro's play a sng for hardly an hour culminating in the top dog calling with 9's on an A88 flop....
We don't know stack sizes or level times I agree, but overall I just don't buy it, he is a professional at exploiting human psychology though (or pretends to be trying to claim that that isn't what he is doing so we would assume we are smart by deducing that it is, however the real trick here is a dedicated team working behind the scenes to create content which is designed to fool anybody who doesn't care to consider that what they are seeing might not be what they believe they are seeing)
Wow what a mouthful.
Isak van Schalkwyk agreed
I thought the premise of the show was interesting. Unfortunately I don't think the producers of the show thought it was interesting and they decided to fake stuff. I agree the poker game didn't seem real. Certainly we learned nothing about her betting strategy in the course of the video. I thought the whole magically figure out what cards her opponents had seemed stupid. I'll tell you what. Let's do an experiment and let her try her skills at card reading against real card players in an independent test. Writing this has made me annoyed enough I'm going to down vote the video. I thought the old lady was great though. I would like to see her play in a genuine poker game.
where can I learn this technique that Derren teaches her ?
A pro calls an all in on an A88 board with 99, lmao
You have no idea what you are talking about. They are probably like 10bb deep at this point
And he turns a 9 sure... lol
As long as you know the basic poker rules, anyone can win a 6 man sit and go with a starting stack of 40bb's and it doesn't prove anything. The calls she made too like with K3s on 246ss were completely standard almost irrelevant if she thought the other person was bluffing or not. Same with the K9 vs the T7o.
0:47 "oh dear"
There are lot of people from North London among participants? Do they have studios there, does Derren live there or why's the bias?
When she picked the card all i could think is "Please don't give that sweet old woman a trick, you'll give her a heart attack"
+Tristan Taffs the cards have both trick and treat on them, if you rotate them 180 degrees, you get the other, he decides whether thy get trick or treat or not