I'm glad you included the part where the announcers say it's gonna get worse because of the umpire's decision to eject, when in fact, that seems to have prevented any further incidents in the game.
Cards fan here You are 100% correct. The two throws in justified the ejection...though perhaps a warning could have been issued after the first one. Still no excuse. But "sending a message" about a careless accident is apparently more important than "winning a game."
I think part of the issue after the first pitch may be a "was it really intentional" question. It's a really tough spot. Warn there and you likely get an argument from [pick a manager] about how you warned both sides and restricted their ability to throw in or whatever, but even beyond that, issuing the warning there...would it really have saved the ejection a pitch later? I'm not so sure it would have.
As a Reds fan who was watching I disagree there should have been a warning & we go on ejection no. Happ that was accident but I don't care a hitter should never hit a catcher with a back swing control the bat & your top hand instead of trying to hit the ball to the moon. The umpires did a terrible job Lance Barksdale the crew chief should be fined & suspended the ejection wasn't justified especially when Happ knew it was coming. It's time to send these umps back to umpire school & teach them about game situations. I like the Cardinals but they got screwed.
@@patrickgray5633 "Umpire school" would literally use this situation as the textbook example of how to umpire and control a game lol. This was as perfect as you can be as an ump.
@@patrickgray5633Did you for real just say control the bat instead of trying to hit it to the moon? Do you want to give them participation trophies next?
I think the pitcher only did it because the batter nearly put a hole in the side of the catcher's head. It clearly wasn't intentional but it still happened. There's a reason the batter and the entire Cubs team didn't appear to be upset by what the pitcher did, especially since the ball hit him in the biggest muscle on the body. It literally would've been over after that and no video would've been made about it.
this is what makes the "umpire haters" so wrong; if there's legitimate concern, sure, they're likely wrong, but at least there's a conversation to be had. The people defending the batter being hit intentionally for an accidental swing through is rediculous and makes the haters seem delusional.
Ump call was correct. Sad thing is, knowing that Happ and Contreras were teammates for years, and Contreras even hugged him. I think the intentional hbp was just stupid.
That's Cardinals announcers for ya. They don't give a damn about sportsmanship, they just want violence cuz they think violence will get their team to win another World Series xD
I came here to see the prior "near misses" that no other channel has shown, which of course justifies the umpires action. Insightful commentary and terrific presentation!
I’m a Cardinals fan and saw it live. Chip and Brad were so unbelievably out of line on the broadcast. Embarrassing. And of course, reactions were even worse on Twitter.
Unless the the SiriusXM radio broadcasters are the same as tv they were just as bad. I turned to the station to listen right in the middle of the ejections and they were whining and bitching and crying so much that I had to turn it off.
Man, this is something else. Can't believe that the Cardinals announcers are asking for blood on Happ. It was an accident. He apologized to Contreras and moved on. This was handled by the umpires with ease before it got out of hand.
@zach7193 You are absolutely right man! Happ definitely didn’t intend to hit Wilson Contreras they played baseball together for 6 years being a HUGE Cubs fan and seeing these Cardinals broadcasters wanting blood on Happ is sad and disturbing….. This is just all the more reason why I can’t stand their broadcast crew and some players they have MOSTLY the 2 pitchers Miles Mikolas and Jack Flaherty overreacting really even if I was more a fan of the other team I like the Texas Rangers that should have been handled better… The whole taking his medicine part was stupid too!
Hap was class throughout He apologized to Contreras, took a heater near his head, then gets hit on the backside with the very next pitch with no harsh words or stare down or bat flip. To the Cards' announcers that's professionalism.
Happ and Contreras are former teammates, and they hugged it out and he apologized. that should've been it, but no lets chuck 94 at his face in the name of "sportsmanship"
Been watching baseball for 30 years plus a batter should never ever hit a catcher with a back swing. I can't stand the Cardinals but they had every right to go nuts on the ejection now did they throw at Happ intentionally of course. The umpires did a terrible job especially the crew chief he should be fined & suspended for not understanding its baseball the situation is the catcher got hit with a back swing accident yes but I don't care that can't happen control the bat. Your looking at baseballs next rule change the right to eject a batter for hitting the catcher with a back swing.
@@patrickgray5633 If this is seriously your opinion, what a waste of 30 years. You admitted that it was intentional but say it should not have been an ejection????? Then you make Ian Happ look like he did something wrong when in fact it was a clear accident. That's something an elementary school bully would do. Please do some research
You don't "make" an accident. It's called being careless. Happ was standing as far back as possible in the box. Move up if you know you have a big backswing. If you are careless and injure another man, be prepared to pay the price.
@@patrickgray5633 The rules allow for unintentional contact between bat and catcher, just like they permit unintentional contact between pitch and batter (or HBP). The rules don't care that you don't care it was an accident. While you're correct batters' shouldn't hit catchers with their backswing, pitchers shouldn't hit batters with pitchers, but accidents happen and pitchers are wild sometimes. You don't see people up in arms the same when a pitcher is wild.
This toxic mindset of throwing 90+ mph baseballs at opposing players to "get back" at them is one of the only lasting stains on this game from a bygone era. Also disgusting by the Cardinals announcers to try to justify throwing at a guy by saying Mikolas did it "the right way". There is no right way to intentionally throw a baseball at an opponent for something clearly as accidental as Happ's backswing.
Not to mention you could clearly see Contreras and Happ had no issues with each other...just a wild baseball swing that caught the catcher - it happens. Mikolas took it to a level it didn't need to go too and subsequently got what he deserves all while playing it off like "WHAT? IM GETTING EJECTED?!"
"I'm all for player safety" yet he wants no consequences for the pitcher who threw near his head and missed then beaned him with 94 mph. Clown broadcasters.
I get what your saying I don't like hometown bias announcing either but a hitter should never hit a catcher with a back swing. Intentional no but I don't care that can't happen.
@@patrickgray5633”i DoNt cARe tHaT cAnT hApPeN” 😂 well it did, and the shitty cardinals lost because they threw bitch fits afterwards. its part of the game like it or not. maybe try not be pissy about it
Saw that after uploading. It's more of a basketball term, but we talk about disruptors-players who do something unsporting or just generally disruptive to the game-and the importance to address them quickly. Here, the pitcher became a disruptor when he starting throwing at Happ.
This was clearly intentional. I totally agree with you CCS. Happ's foot was a tad on the line, in which he didn't know, it was an accident, and Happ showed Sportsmanship, which was the right thing to do. Then Miles Mikolas threw a 94 MPH heater to his head-neck area, he missed, but what if that hit Happ? Happ would've been in the hospital, and clearly ball 4 was intentional. Dude didn't even look AT the strike zone and went ahead and proceeded to throw towards Ian Happ. A pro should do better than that. I know that a pro pitcher can throw wicked balls, but that's usually in the late innings, not early in the first. Happ showed remorse for accidentally hitting Contreras (Because it was unintentional, and it's very hard to control a swing when it goes right behind your back) So, when the Cardinals' announcer said: "That was intentional" Bro doesn't even know 💀 Umpires ejecting Miles Mikolas and Oliver Marmol was the correct thing to do. Umpires did their jobs correctly.
The Cardinals can do no wrong, because they do things the "Cardinal Way." You can't imagine how not surprised I am to hear this from Cardinals broadcasters.
On the Cubs radio broadcast, they were extremely confused as to why Mikolas threw at Happ. I was driving at the time and wasn’t really paying attention until Coomer nonchalantly said Mikolas had been tossed, but he and Pat Hughes seemed to have not really registered the first pitch up and in; they were discussing Contreras’s injury as he’s a former Cub. It never even occurred to them that the Cardinals needed to “settle the score” or whatever. I may be a Cubs fan, but I’ve never thought of the Cardinals as a team that felt the need to enforce the “unwritten rules” a la the Pirates.
That is not true of the Pirates in this new age either. That became a common misconception a few years ago against the Reds when the Pirates were throwing dudes with 7+ AAA ERAs with 6 BB/9, i.e., wild, because the depth sucked. There wasn't anything intentional, just ineptitude. But of course what national baseball pundit doesn't love kicking the little guy while he's down?
Thanks Lindsay for the clarification on the Pitcher/Manager hbp ejection rule. I was wondering about it after the Perdomo ejection video when Sheldon was tossed after the fact. So was wondering what the rule was when a manager gets tossed along with the pitcher so now I know it can be before a warning as well.
The quick ejection of Shelton was so weird to me. Shelton has gotten very angry and argumentative before, but he was very calm when Perdomo was tossed. This incident is even weirder...on one hand I don't know how Marmol would be defending Mikolas, but at the same time it seemed like everything was said and settled, he was one foot into the dugout when an ump decided he was the boss and tossed Marmol. The ejections of the managers is weirder than ejecting the pitchers. These feel more like a flex by umps than actually warranted.
I grew up on 90s baseball. That broadcaster was embarrassing. Batters get injured from being hit with pitches all the time. It's not a hypothetical that it's dangerous. There's no sport in the world that allows you to intentionally injure your opponent, including fight sports. At least in hockey, when someone takes a run at someone to "send a message", they have the decency to just head to the penalty box (or the locker room) without being a baby about it.
I felt the same way. He gets him on the 1st inside pitch, cool. Warnings and move on. Instead, he went back for seconds. At that point, it's time to call it a night. As the baseball gods protect the game, Happ scored the run and the Cubs never looked back and Mikolas was tagged with the loss.
I think the league is trying to move past the "cool, the adult man was intentionally hit by a baseball and this is absolutely fine" because it's not cool and it's not fine and things need to change. Intentionally beaning people should've left when the spitball did. It has no place in baseball.
there was no warning. umpires did nothing and then escalated the situation. batter had no problem but the umpires then stepped in and made it about them.
@@mwconservative are you serious? So Mikolas can just keep throwing AT Happ until he is given a warning, c’mon man stop being a homer. There was NOTHING intentional about what Happ did (other than the hug), Mikolas was the only one who did anything intentional and he did it twice!!
@@gregmatyas4272 you do realize the same thing happened in the last card cub series. and no a warning should have been issued after the first inside pitch. if not then the warning should have been issued after the batter was hit, “by a low velocity pitch below the waste”. the ejection is what is questionable. much like the ball and strike calls in the last series. game is not about the umpires.
@@mwconservative this wasn’t about the umpires, it was about a pitcher trying to take things in to his own hands. Happ UNINTENTIONALLY hit him on his backswing, Mikolas decided to send some kind of notice, in turn all he did was make himself and the Cardinals look bad.
Oli got tossed for a different reason. All was good, he went to dugout. Then during commercial the 1st base ump went to the dugout to talk with Flaherty, who was pissed about the ejection. Oli came to his defense and then got tossed.
I'd love to have been a fly on the glove of that pitcher when he was talking to the replacement catcher. I'm glad that part of the clip was posted. I _have_ to wonder if he was telling the catcher that he's going to hit the guy.
I can't hold on to the ball, but I can place two pitches perfectly to send a message right after my catcher gets hurt. Mikolas can get lost. Take a few games off.
Good God...as a Cards fan, I'm extremely embarrassed at how the team and commentators handled this situaton. It's already been a disappointing season but that was a new low.
As soon as I heard "Have a feel..." from the ESPN vid, I made a beeline for CCS. Theses announcers... 🤬... lol Linds, You need to have a podcast with theses announcers and chew them out. I'd PAY to see it!!
I dont get it. In hockey you accidentally tap someones head with your stick its a penalty but In baseball you can hit people in the head with a bat and no consequence. I know its an accident but that doesnt make the hit any less dangerous. Maybe we need to make a new rule if catchers keep getting hit on backswings
I doubt Contreras would want his pitcher to hit Ian they were teamates for 5 years and at the trade dead line last year Contreras and Happ hugged since it was there last home game together
umpire could have issued a warning after the first pitch. he did not. could have issued a warning after the second pitch. he should have. issue should have been resolved among the players. umpires took over and made it about them. what cardinal announcer said was CORRECT. pitcher did it the right way. medium speed pitch low below the waste. in this lady’s example the pitch was up above the shoulders. entirely different situation. will say that after the past card cub series in chicago the call by the umpires should have been expected.
He deserved to be ejected, and the announcer should watch what he says, younger kids who watch and play the game, they might think this is ok, what’s going to happen if and when they remove the umpire from behind the plate and use AI ?
Only Mikolas was in the wrong here. Happ accidentally hit Contreras, apologizes, and Mikolas decides to deal some extra punishment. Umpires follow rules, procedures, and policies put in place by 'baseball' itself, and the announcers sound like some huge indiscretion has occurred. I'm in the wrong profession.
This is ridiculous, don’t understand anyone saying that Ian Happ took it and kept his mouth shut, as if he deserves to have a ball thrown at him. Why is ever ok to intentionally throw a ball at someone? Because the batter accidentally followed through too far and hit the catcher? Oh well, these things happen, don’t be a scum bag and throw at the guy now. Play on with the game and stop being children about this.
Announcers annoy me - they think they know EVERYTHING when they barely know anything - "read the game" I heard one announcer say. Yeah, they did exactly that and ejected the pitcher to avoid the bean ball game. Ignorant comments by announcers.
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I'm a Braves fan and Chip Caray is a hypocritical joke. Back when we had the history with the Marlins hitting Acuna, Chip seethed every single time that Acuna was hit that the Marlins pitcher needed to be run. But when it is the pitcher for the team he works for, he adopts an absurd level of righteous indignation. Should Mikolas have been tossed? Yes! You can't have it both ways, Chip. Pick one side and stay with it.
Then Mikolas taunts the bench? He should be suspended in addition to the early hook. Obviously Willy was cool with Happ. I agree with JD. Mikolas wanted a day off. The Cardinal announcers are tone-deaf. Sore losers. They're not used to be in the cellar.
Mikolas gets five games, Marmol gets one. And it's far past time they remove the option, especially since a suspension is automatic for the manager in this situation -- you deem the pitcher threw, pitcher and manager go, automatically.
That may be the most obvious example of a pitcher throwing at a batter in the history of baseball.....you can practically see him aiming after he missed with the first attempt??? AND, Happ clearly knew it too.....easy, easy, easy ejection....and beyond stupid by the Cards' pitcher
Umpires did the right thing, St. Louis broadcasters aren’t happy because their team is not doing well. Bottom line is you don’t do the right thing you end up finding yourself with a bench clearing brawl.
Probably, MLB pretty much always suspends people after ejections for intentionally throwing at batters, presumably after some sort of review to ensure they agree it was intentional.
I wonder if announcers believe what they're saying. If so, it's amazing how homerism can blind people to the point where the two crews have these diametrically opposed views of what happened.
What the hell is wrong with Mikolas? Contreras was fine with Happ, but it appears Mikolas made the unilateral decision that he had to avenge a clear accident. And not by just sending a message with one-pitch, but with the always bush league "I'm going to keep throwing at you until I hit you." Seems to me he must be stressed out and in need of at least 10 days or so off.
You do see a lot of that for sure, but Brad Thompson, who was making all the noise is only 41 years old. So what's his excuse, except being an ex-ballplayer who happens to be a bonehead.
Yikes. These announcers are putting umpires around the country in danger whenever they do this. I just watched a LL umpire get knocked unconscious by an angry coach - who'd obviously learned his rules incorrectly from his local team's broadcast unit. I hope to see this change. Thanks for calling them out, I know it'll get to some of them. The umpires certainly watch these.
I had no idea the Cards announcers were so atrocious.... and praising a pitcher who just screwed his team for perhaps the whole series because it was "the right way"?? So gross
The Braves didn't move on from Chip Caray, he left on his own. But I guess why bother living in reality when you could just spew retarded opinions like this?
The fact that Ian Happ and Willson Contreras hugged, and he probably excepted his apology, and then Mikolas plunked Happ just shows that the Cardinals are scared of the Chicago cubs. Hence to the 10 to 3 beat down that the Cubs put on the Cardinals and now the Cubs are at 0.500 at 51-51.
Don’t worry, if it was a Card batter concussing a Cub, they’d have been calling for the book to be thrown for the pitcher retaliating. This is similar to the “Rolen played for us, put him in the Hall of Fame” thing. They are always right in their own minds.
Catchers getting hit is that doubled edged sword.. they want to be up to catch the ball before it hits the ground (and it does make our job as umps easier).. but you also need to know the hitters with big backswings.. and sadly the only time they’ll get punished is if they have a runner going at the time where it becomes interference. (at least at the HS level it is.. who knows anymore with MLB).. nobody moving.. it’s nothing.. pitcher here.. first pitch was a freebe.. but the second.. You’re gone.. the second one just proved that you were intentional.
The cardinal broadcasters are as bad as the team 😂😂😂😂. Retribution for an accident is ridiculous, especially after the two who are actually friends hugged it out. Also not surprised cardinal fans and their broadcasters don’t know the rules. One correction, the cubs did retaliate 10 times 😂😂😂.
Happ handled this well and I say this as a Cubs hater. Hugged it out with Contreras, took the pitch, took the base. Obviously not happy about it, but doesn't make a stink about it.
Saw the video on this. Well done explaining the situation here. Mikolas ejection was justified because he threw at Happ twice keyword “twice” if he hit him once it would have been a warning. Glad to see that the Umpires huddle up before they made their decision in these situations which is requirement.
Ian Happ personally chased three Cardinals out of the game and his teammates punished them severely [1 asterisk (injury) 2 daggers (ejection) first inning (technical knockouts)]
This was the correct decision. Shame on the Cardinals announcers for not knowing the rules. This was clearly intentional and the umps did the correct thing by discussing it first and then just eject the pitcher.
The broadcaster should be thrown out for his idiotic comments. Obviously it was an accident as Happ and Contreras are former teammates and friends. Mikolas is a complete punk and good thing he was thrown out. Hope the Cubs sweep the cardinals.
Stl broadcasters for TV: Chip Carey, Brad Thompson, Jim Edmonds, For Radio: John Rooney, Rick Horton. Name them and shame them. Just because our team his having an off year doesn’t mean you broadcasters have to suck too. Horrible! Do Better!
Never seen such a blatant hitting the batter as this. Worse is that everyone could tell the previous play was an accident. If I were a pitcher I would never purposely try to hit a batter, even if were told to. And yes, that broadcast team is horrible defending it.
I wish Jack Flaherty was pitching tonight. Also, this woman actually says, “This is baseball in the 2020’s.” Omg ! Just because the owners elected a hedge fund manager to be the commissioner of baseball doesn’t change the game. It’s still baseball ! They took away the play at the plate. The most exciting play in baseball ! Because their golden boy in SF broke his leg ?! They didn’t do that when Ray Fosse broke his leg. Baseball will survive this greedy obviousness. Players with advertisements on their jerseys and helmets ? It was bad enough with the GD swooshes. Now we’re heading towards NASCAR territory. Rob Manfred has ruined our National Pastime and he controls what commentators say. i.e. Alex Rodriguez gushing openly about how the rules changes have helped baseball ! Really ? Changing the 170 year old distance between the bases is good for baseball ?! Manfred should be arrested for crimes against our sport.
I’m a cardinals fan and I believe that the umpires handled it correctly. I wish the broadcasters would pick up a rule book. Thanks @closecallsports for the quick reference to NFHS. Broadcasters for each teams region needs to stop being crybabies. I forgot that is what they get paid to do.
Deliberately hitting someone is never the right way This shows a lack of respect for the game Any deliberate hit should always be an ejection Another case where i think commentators to be suspended
Lindsay said half the foot was on the line which is legal for the swing but not pre pitch. The angle doesn’t show but to take his legal position in the box both feet must be completely within the lines. It is legal to swing and bat the ball with a foot partially touching the line. If a back foot is partially out pre pitch we normally don’t move the batter up because he will be legal as soon as the pitch is on the way. If someone complains we will move the batter up an inch or 2. Joe West famously borrowed the batters bat to measure a wiped out line and move him up and then give him his bat back. Maybe MLB umps will have to eyeball batters with backswing issues.
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I'm glad you included the part where the announcers say it's gonna get worse because of the umpire's decision to eject, when in fact, that seems to have prevented any further incidents in the game.
Cards fan here
You are 100% correct. The two throws in justified the ejection...though perhaps a warning could have been issued after the first one. Still no excuse. But "sending a message" about a careless accident is apparently more important than "winning a game."
I think part of the issue after the first pitch may be a "was it really intentional" question. It's a really tough spot. Warn there and you likely get an argument from [pick a manager] about how you warned both sides and restricted their ability to throw in or whatever, but even beyond that, issuing the warning there...would it really have saved the ejection a pitch later? I'm not so sure it would have.
As a Reds fan who was watching I disagree there should have been a warning & we go on ejection no. Happ that was accident but I don't care a hitter should never hit a catcher with a back swing control the bat & your top hand instead of trying to hit the ball to the moon.
The umpires did a terrible job Lance Barksdale the crew chief should be fined & suspended the ejection wasn't justified especially when Happ knew it was coming.
It's time to send these umps back to umpire school & teach them about game situations. I like the Cardinals but they got screwed.
@@patrickgray5633 "Umpire school" would literally use this situation as the textbook example of how to umpire and control a game lol. This was as perfect as you can be as an ump.
@@patrickgray5633And yet somehow the Pirates got labeled the bad ones in that rivalry🤔
@@patrickgray5633Did you for real just say control the bat instead of trying to hit it to the moon? Do you want to give them participation trophies next?
I've never seen so much umpire hate over what is clearly the correct decision to eject.
Umpires are hated because of many things, even with right calls they are still hated
I think the pitcher only did it because the batter nearly put a hole in the side of the catcher's head. It clearly wasn't intentional but it still happened. There's a reason the batter and the entire Cubs team didn't appear to be upset by what the pitcher did, especially since the ball hit him in the biggest muscle on the body. It literally would've been over after that and no video would've been made about it.
@@Bigstl123 and because of that the cardinals intentinally threw a game 😂 so if your okay with losing, then have fun with that mindset
this is what makes the "umpire haters" so wrong; if there's legitimate concern, sure, they're likely wrong, but at least there's a conversation to be had. The people defending the batter being hit intentionally for an accidental swing through is rediculous and makes the haters seem delusional.
@@RukarioEnterprisesLLC And they wonder why there is an officials' shortage in all sports at all levels.
Ump call was correct. Sad thing is, knowing that Happ and Contreras were teammates for years, and Contreras even hugged him. I think the intentional hbp was just stupid.
Definitely, and the "retaliatory" HBP was probably Mikolas going into business for himself hitting Happ.
Mikolas’ judgment is obviously impaired…I mean he probably thinks that pornstache I mean moustache looks good.
The more I watch these, the more I'm amazed that people paid to be part of the sport don't know the rules.
Love to see broadcasters reject sportsmanship and demand violence in the name of "baseball."
Ah, for the days when Tony Twist would come out of the dugout and beat up a guy for hurting Brett Hull...
Displaying scherzer level innocence
Thats Cardinals broadcasting for ya
That's Cardinals announcers for ya. They don't give a damn about sportsmanship, they just want violence cuz they think violence will get their team to win another World Series xD
def not the cubs broadcasting
I came here to see the prior "near misses" that no other channel has shown, which of course justifies the umpires action. Insightful commentary and terrific presentation!
I came here for the same reason. Every video talked about the other pitch but didn't show it.
Holy Cow. The biggest problem with this video is how inane the broadcasters were. The umpires handled this PERFECTLY.
Well one awful broadcaster in general
Wouldn't it be AMAZING if the league sent these announcers a message?
I’m a Cardinals fan and saw it live. Chip and Brad were so unbelievably out of line on the broadcast. Embarrassing. And of course, reactions were even worse on Twitter.
Unless the the SiriusXM radio broadcasters are the same as tv they were just as bad. I turned to the station to listen right in the middle of the ejections and they were whining and bitching and crying so much that I had to turn it off.
Man, this is something else. Can't believe that the Cardinals announcers are asking for blood on Happ. It was an accident. He apologized to Contreras and moved on. This was handled by the umpires with ease before it got out of hand.
@zach7193 You are absolutely right man! Happ definitely didn’t intend to hit Wilson Contreras they played baseball together for 6 years being a HUGE Cubs fan and seeing these Cardinals broadcasters wanting blood on Happ is sad and disturbing….. This is just all the more reason why I can’t stand their broadcast crew and some players they have MOSTLY the 2 pitchers Miles Mikolas and Jack Flaherty overreacting really even if I was more a fan of the other team I like the Texas Rangers that should have been handled better… The whole taking his medicine part was stupid too!
Okay,alright.
That HBP was an accident,too.
The pitcher should’ve gone for the head if he really want it.
@@陳明宏-j8ihe tried to hit him shoulder high the first attempt.
Chip Caray is still sour of the 2004 season ended when he was broadcasting for the Cubs.
@@陳明宏-j8i if Miko hits Happ on the first pitch on the bum, both teams get a warning. Nice try
Hap was class throughout He apologized to Contreras, took a heater near his head, then gets hit on the backside with the very next pitch with no harsh words or stare down or bat flip. To the Cards' announcers that's professionalism.
Excellent breakdown by CloseCallSports.
Happ and Contreras are former teammates, and they hugged it out and he apologized. that should've been it, but no lets chuck 94 at his face in the name of "sportsmanship"
This is the best umpiring I have seen all year imo. Who in the world can defend the Cardinals after you clearly throw at a guy for making an accident?
Been watching baseball for 30 years plus a batter should never ever hit a catcher with a back swing. I can't stand the Cardinals but they had every right to go nuts on the ejection now did they throw at Happ intentionally of course.
The umpires did a terrible job especially the crew chief he should be fined & suspended for not understanding its baseball the situation is the catcher got hit with a back swing accident yes but I don't care that can't happen control the bat. Your looking at baseballs next rule change the right to eject a batter for hitting the catcher with a back swing.
@@patrickgray5633 If this is seriously your opinion, what a waste of 30 years. You admitted that it was intentional but say it should not have been an ejection????? Then you make Ian Happ look like he did something wrong when in fact it was a clear accident. That's something an elementary school bully would do. Please do some research
You don't "make" an accident. It's called being careless. Happ was standing as far back as possible in the box. Move up if you know you have a big backswing. If you are careless and injure another man, be prepared to pay the price.
@@patrickgray5633 The rules allow for unintentional contact between bat and catcher, just like they permit unintentional contact between pitch and batter (or HBP). The rules don't care that you don't care it was an accident. While you're correct batters' shouldn't hit catchers with their backswing, pitchers shouldn't hit batters with pitchers, but accidents happen and pitchers are wild sometimes. You don't see people up in arms the same when a pitcher is wild.
Cards fans showing their high IQs in this thread 😂
The St. Louis broadcasters are as awful as they say the umpires are.
Explains their Season. They are about to trade Arenado to the Dodgers. They are DOA
@@binder38us that would make the Dodgers even more deadly
@@binder38usA week ago Cardinals GM said that Arenado was one of the untouchables at the trade deadline.
This toxic mindset of throwing 90+ mph baseballs at opposing players to "get back" at them is one of the only lasting stains on this game from a bygone era. Also disgusting by the Cardinals announcers to try to justify throwing at a guy by saying Mikolas did it "the right way". There is no right way to intentionally throw a baseball at an opponent for something clearly as accidental as Happ's backswing.
These announcers would be the first to criticize the umpires for NOT tossing a pitcher that hit a Cardinals player on purpose.
Happ and Contreras were buddies so no way that was also intentional of hitting the catcher with a bat
@@Ron_Plays635you said "were" not "still" because they are not friends.
Eff the Cardinal Way.
Not to mention you could clearly see Contreras and Happ had no issues with each other...just a wild baseball swing that caught the catcher - it happens. Mikolas took it to a level it didn't need to go too and subsequently got what he deserves all while playing it off like "WHAT? IM GETTING EJECTED?!"
"I'm all for player safety" yet he wants no consequences for the pitcher who threw near his head and missed then beaned him with 94 mph. Clown broadcasters.
I get what your saying I don't like hometown bias announcing either but a hitter should never hit a catcher with a back swing. Intentional no but I don't care that can't happen.
@@patrickgray5633 Yeah that really can't happen. I wonder what's the best option? Maybe move the batter's box up a smidge?
@@patrickgray5633”i DoNt cARe tHaT cAnT hApPeN” 😂 well it did, and the shitty cardinals lost because they threw bitch fits afterwards. its part of the game like it or not. maybe try not be pissy about it
Lindsay, did you see the Cards manager after the catcher hugged Happ? The manager tapped Happ on the butt, almost a “it’s ok, it wasn’t intentional”.
Saw that after uploading. It's more of a basketball term, but we talk about disruptors-players who do something unsporting or just generally disruptive to the game-and the importance to address them quickly. Here, the pitcher became a disruptor when he starting throwing at Happ.
This was clearly intentional. I totally agree with you CCS. Happ's foot was a tad on the line, in which he didn't know, it was an accident, and Happ showed Sportsmanship, which was the right thing to do.
Then Miles Mikolas threw a 94 MPH heater to his head-neck area, he missed, but what if that hit Happ? Happ would've been in the hospital, and clearly ball 4 was intentional. Dude didn't even look AT the strike zone and went ahead and proceeded to throw towards Ian Happ.
A pro should do better than that. I know that a pro pitcher can throw wicked balls, but that's usually in the late innings, not early in the first.
Happ showed remorse for accidentally hitting Contreras (Because it was unintentional, and it's very hard to control a swing when it goes right behind your back) So, when the Cardinals' announcer said: "That was intentional" Bro doesn't even know 💀
Umpires ejecting Miles Mikolas and Oliver Marmol was the correct thing to do.
Umpires did their jobs correctly.
Outstanding breakdown
I am a Cardinals fan, and I agree with your analysis.
i can't believe the casters reacted the way they did.
I can believe it. Baseball announcers have a knack for homerism. Not all of them do it but it gets pretty annoying.
That announcer for the cardinals is a hot head!
Some are better than others, but they often (usually?) are employed by the ball club so there is some natural incentive toward homerism.
The Cardinals can do no wrong, because they do things the "Cardinal Way." You can't imagine how not surprised I am to hear this from Cardinals broadcasters.
I can, they’re mouth breathers.
Another great vid and explanation. Thanks Lindsay :-)
On the Cubs radio broadcast, they were extremely confused as to why Mikolas threw at Happ. I was driving at the time and wasn’t really paying attention until Coomer nonchalantly said Mikolas had been tossed, but he and Pat Hughes seemed to have not really registered the first pitch up and in; they were discussing Contreras’s injury as he’s a former Cub. It never even occurred to them that the Cardinals needed to “settle the score” or whatever. I may be a Cubs fan, but I’ve never thought of the Cardinals as a team that felt the need to enforce the “unwritten rules” a la the Pirates.
It is the rivalry.
You've got to be kidding me. The Cardinals are the Kings of the unwritten rules. They are the worst by far.
That is not true of the Pirates in this new age either. That became a common misconception a few years ago against the Reds when the Pirates were throwing dudes with 7+ AAA ERAs with 6 BB/9, i.e., wild, because the depth sucked. There wasn't anything intentional, just ineptitude. But of course what national baseball pundit doesn't love kicking the little guy while he's down?
Thanks Lindsay for the clarification on the Pitcher/Manager hbp ejection rule. I was wondering about it after the Perdomo ejection video when Sheldon was tossed after the fact. So was wondering what the rule was when a manager gets tossed along with the pitcher so now I know it can be before a warning as well.
The quick ejection of Shelton was so weird to me. Shelton has gotten very angry and argumentative before, but he was very calm when Perdomo was tossed.
This incident is even weirder...on one hand I don't know how Marmol would be defending Mikolas, but at the same time it seemed like everything was said and settled, he was one foot into the dugout when an ump decided he was the boss and tossed Marmol.
The ejections of the managers is weirder than ejecting the pitchers. These feel more like a flex by umps than actually warranted.
Their ass was in the jackpot. And right call btw.
Cubs cleaned them out with considerable punitive damages
I grew up on 90s baseball. That broadcaster was embarrassing. Batters get injured from being hit with pitches all the time. It's not a hypothetical that it's dangerous. There's no sport in the world that allows you to intentionally injure your opponent, including fight sports. At least in hockey, when someone takes a run at someone to "send a message", they have the decency to just head to the penalty box (or the locker room) without being a baby about it.
Good video! Very informative, and a good critique of the StL announcers.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I felt the same way.
He gets him on the 1st inside pitch, cool. Warnings and move on.
Instead, he went back for seconds. At that point, it's time to call it a night.
As the baseball gods protect the game, Happ scored the run and the Cubs never looked back and Mikolas was tagged with the loss.
I think the league is trying to move past the "cool, the adult man was intentionally hit by a baseball and this is absolutely fine" because it's not cool and it's not fine and things need to change. Intentionally beaning people should've left when the spitball did. It has no place in baseball.
there was no warning. umpires did nothing and then escalated the situation. batter had no problem but the umpires then stepped in and made it about them.
@@mwconservative are you serious? So Mikolas can just keep throwing AT Happ until he is given a warning, c’mon man stop being a homer. There was NOTHING intentional about what Happ did (other than the hug), Mikolas was the only one who did anything intentional and he did it twice!!
@@gregmatyas4272 you do realize the same thing happened in the last card cub series. and no a warning should have been issued after the first inside pitch. if not then the warning should have been issued after the batter was hit, “by a low velocity pitch below the waste”. the ejection is what is questionable. much like the ball and strike calls in the last series. game is not about the umpires.
@@mwconservative this wasn’t about the umpires, it was about a pitcher trying to take things in to his own hands. Happ UNINTENTIONALLY hit him on his backswing, Mikolas decided to send some kind of notice, in turn all he did was make himself and the Cardinals look bad.
Thanks for Posting the full atbat. The pitch up and in adds context.
Oli got tossed for a different reason. All was good, he went to dugout. Then during commercial the 1st base ump went to the dugout to talk with Flaherty, who was pissed about the ejection. Oli came to his defense and then got tossed.
That manager ejection is the real head scratcher. Seems more like an ump ego flex than handling the situation properly.
@jharriger2816 yep. Umpire shouldn't have been over at the dugout talking to Flaherty in my opinion.
Baseball is forever gone. I haven't watched since the 90s and the umpires will not be bringing me back again.
I'd love to have been a fly on the glove of that pitcher when he was talking to the replacement catcher. I'm glad that part of the clip was posted. I _have_ to wonder if he was telling the catcher that he's going to hit the guy.
"We're sweating like grease monkeys out here, I can't hold onto a ball" - Miles Mikolas' excuse to the ump
I can't hold on to the ball, but I can place two pitches perfectly to send a message right after my catcher gets hurt. Mikolas can get lost. Take a few games off.
I agree. He had one chance to make the statement and missed. You move on at that point, he chose to throw at him a second time and paid the price.
They should throw out the announcer!
I would love that 😂
Good God...as a Cards fan, I'm extremely embarrassed at how the team and commentators handled this situaton. It's already been a disappointing season but that was a new low.
HOSED, totaled and thoroughly humiliated
Cubs fan here. Your comment is spot on.
As soon as I heard "Have a feel..." from the ESPN vid, I made a beeline for CCS. Theses announcers... 🤬... lol Linds, You need to have a podcast with theses announcers and chew them out. I'd PAY to see it!!
I dont get it. In hockey you accidentally tap someones head with your stick its a penalty but In baseball you can hit people in the head with a bat and no consequence. I know its an accident but that doesnt make the hit any less dangerous. Maybe we need to make a new rule if catchers keep getting hit on backswings
That is the stupidest thing I have ever seen. Happ and Conteras were good. There was no need for "justice". The pitcher deserved to get tossed.
This isn't the first Cardinals announcers have acted like this.
Hrbosky would have been even worse.
@@markmohr9356 What would he do?
@KazeShikamaru even more of a homer and more unprofessional than these two.
I doubt Contreras would want his pitcher to hit Ian they were teamates for 5 years and at the trade dead line last year Contreras and Happ hugged since it was there last home game together
This is a really bad look for the Cardinals. I would be surprised if this pitcher doesn’t get suspended.
He'll get the standard 5 game suspension. He'll also likely appeal to make a start where it's ideal for Stl.
@@karlroveyI think it's likely to be 10. He pretty much admitted it was intentional after the game. MLB isn't going to tolerate it.
umpire could have issued a warning after the first pitch. he did not. could have issued a warning after the second pitch. he should have. issue should have been resolved among the players. umpires took over and made it about them. what cardinal announcer said was CORRECT. pitcher did it the right way. medium speed pitch low below the waste. in this lady’s example the pitch was up above the shoulders. entirely different situation. will say that after the past card cub series in chicago the call by the umpires should have been expected.
The pitchers mustache tho, he thinks we're in 1996
Nah, he thinks he's an 80's p0rn star.
Glad he was ejected. Grow up they made up and it was an accident but what he was doing was fuckin childish
He deserved to be ejected, and the announcer should watch what he says, younger kids who watch and play the game, they might think this is ok, what’s going to happen if and when they remove the umpire from behind the plate and use AI ?
If it is on purpose, it is aggravated assault, is it not?
All I can think of is "Asses in Jackpots"
They made the right call.
I don't like what you did there, go ahead and take first base.
Only Mikolas was in the wrong here. Happ accidentally hit Contreras, apologizes, and Mikolas decides to deal some extra punishment. Umpires follow rules, procedures, and policies put in place by 'baseball' itself, and the announcers sound like some huge indiscretion has occurred. I'm in the wrong profession.
This is ridiculous, don’t understand anyone saying that Ian Happ took it and kept his mouth shut, as if he deserves to have a ball thrown at him. Why is ever ok to intentionally throw a ball at someone? Because the batter accidentally followed through too far and hit the catcher? Oh well, these things happen, don’t be a scum bag and throw at the guy now. Play on with the game and stop being children about this.
Announcers annoy me - they think they know EVERYTHING when they barely know anything - "read the game" I heard one announcer say. Yeah, they did exactly that and ejected the pitcher to avoid the bean ball game. Ignorant comments by announcers.
I love breakdowns and Close Call and Jomboy are the best in the biz. Both great and in different styles but I love the data driven and rules backed info of Close Call!
According to the Cards' announcers logic, the Cubs would've been within their rights to retaliate against the Marlins for the Adam Greenberg HBP.
Wait are people actually mad that mikolas got ejected?
I'm a Braves fan and Chip Caray is a hypocritical joke. Back when we had the history with the Marlins hitting Acuna, Chip seethed every single time that Acuna was hit that the Marlins pitcher needed to be run. But when it is the pitcher for the team he works for, he adopts an absurd level of righteous indignation. Should Mikolas have been tossed? Yes! You can't have it both ways, Chip. Pick one side and stay with it.
His granddad absolutely would never promote this shit like he did
St. Louis pitcher went rogue and cost his team a game. You can’t do that to your bullpen.
Mikolas was stupid for not waiting until the 5th or 6th to get the revenge. Killed the pen and gave the Cubs the game.
Hit with the stupid tax
Then Mikolas taunts the bench? He should be suspended in addition to the early hook. Obviously Willy was cool with Happ. I agree with JD. Mikolas wanted a day off. The Cardinal announcers are tone-deaf. Sore losers. They're not used to be in the cellar.
Mikolas gets five games, Marmol gets one.
And it's far past time they remove the option, especially since a suspension is automatic for the manager in this situation -- you deem the pitcher threw, pitcher and manager go, automatically.
That may be the most obvious example of a pitcher throwing at a batter in the history of baseball.....you can practically see him aiming after he missed with the first attempt??? AND, Happ clearly knew it too.....easy, easy, easy ejection....and beyond stupid by the Cards' pitcher
Man, St Louis annoucers really just went full partisan and it's unfortunate.
They probably think it's correct to put provel on pizza as well.
@@kevwwongIt is funny how they fiercely defend that artifice
Umpires did the right thing, St. Louis broadcasters aren’t happy because their team is not doing well. Bottom line is you don’t do the right thing you end up finding yourself with a bench clearing brawl.
Will the pitcher be suspended just like the Pirates pitcher?
Probably, MLB pretty much always suspends people after ejections for intentionally throwing at batters, presumably after some sort of review to ensure they agree it was intentional.
I love your analysis of this very detailed I subbed
I wonder if announcers believe what they're saying. If so, it's amazing how homerism can blind people to the point where the two crews have these diametrically opposed views of what happened.
Its Chip Caray, what do you expect 😄
What the hell is wrong with Mikolas? Contreras was fine with Happ, but it appears Mikolas made the unilateral decision that he had to avenge a clear accident. And not by just sending a message with one-pitch, but with the always bush league "I'm going to keep throwing at you until I hit you." Seems to me he must be stressed out and in need of at least 10 days or so off.
ugh these old school announcers with outdated opinions.
You do see a lot of that for sure, but Brad Thompson, who was making all the noise is only 41 years old. So what's his excuse, except being an ex-ballplayer who happens to be a bonehead.
Thanks for calling out the bad St. Louis broadcasters. Chip Carey, former Braves homer bringing his same bias to his new team.
Yikes. These announcers are putting umpires around the country in danger whenever they do this. I just watched a LL umpire get knocked unconscious by an angry coach - who'd obviously learned his rules incorrectly from his local team's broadcast unit. I hope to see this change. Thanks for calling them out, I know it'll get to some of them. The umpires certainly watch these.
I had no idea the Cards announcers were so atrocious.... and praising a pitcher who just screwed his team for perhaps the whole series because it was "the right way"?? So gross
I can see why the Braves moved on from Chip Carrey. He's quite horrible
He used to announce for the Cubs, for years with Steve Stone, but the Cubs management got tired of him.
Silver spoon baby riding prior gen's coattails like similarly awful Joe Buck
The Braves didn't move on from Chip Caray, he left on his own. But I guess why bother living in reality when you could just spew retarded opinions like this?
@@srellison561 He left the Cubs for the Braves. The Cubs didn't get rid of him. Again, how fucking hard is it to do a simple google search
No question should be thrown out .
Man, these broadcasters must be salty that the Cardinals are actually in last place for once
Nice recap!
Chip Carry should be suspended for calling the umpires “awful”
I think it was actually Brad Thompson, the analyst who was going off,
Suspend Carey just for being annoying then
they both should be fine and go be first to umpire some rec games
Bring back Dan McLaughlin
Did the broadcaster correct himself when the game was NOT made worse by this call?
The fact that Ian Happ and Willson Contreras hugged, and he probably excepted his apology, and then Mikolas plunked Happ just shows that the Cardinals are scared of the Chicago cubs. Hence to the 10 to 3 beat down that the Cubs put on the Cardinals and now the Cubs are at 0.500 at 51-51.
Don’t worry, if it was a Card batter concussing a Cub, they’d have been calling for the book to be thrown for the pitcher retaliating. This is similar to the “Rolen played for us, put him in the Hall of Fame” thing. They are always right in their own minds.
Catchers getting hit is that doubled edged sword.. they want to be up to catch the ball before it hits the ground (and it does make our job as umps easier).. but you also need to know the hitters with big backswings.. and sadly the only time they’ll get punished is if they have a runner going at the time where it becomes interference. (at least at the HS level it is.. who knows anymore with MLB).. nobody moving.. it’s nothing.. pitcher here.. first pitch was a freebe.. but the second.. You’re gone.. the second one just proved that you were intentional.
The cardinal broadcasters are as bad as the team 😂😂😂😂. Retribution for an accident is ridiculous, especially after the two who are actually friends hugged it out. Also not surprised cardinal fans and their broadcasters don’t know the rules. One correction, the cubs did retaliate 10 times 😂😂😂.
Don't get mad, get runs!😂
Happ handled this well and I say this as a Cubs hater. Hugged it out with Contreras, took the pitch, took the base. Obviously not happy about it, but doesn't make a stink about it.
Saw the video on this. Well done explaining the situation here. Mikolas ejection was justified because he threw at Happ twice keyword “twice” if he hit him once it would have been a warning. Glad to see that the Umpires huddle up before they made their decision in these situations which is requirement.
Ian Happ personally chased three Cardinals out of the game and his teammates punished them severely [1 asterisk (injury) 2 daggers (ejection) first inning (technical knockouts)]
This was the correct decision. Shame on the Cardinals announcers for not knowing the rules. This was clearly intentional and the umps did the correct thing by discussing it first and then just eject the pitcher.
The broadcaster should be thrown out for his idiotic comments. Obviously it was an accident as Happ and Contreras are former teammates and friends. Mikolas is a complete punk and good thing he was thrown out. Hope the Cubs sweep the cardinals.
Giving out warnings instead of ejecting Micholas would’ve only made the situation worse. Umps did the right thing.
This was completely uncalled for for this type of accident. They’re friends, they hugged, it’s over. Just straight bizarre and stupid
I'm with the umps on this one. He threw two pitches inside right after his catcher got hurt.
Stl broadcasters for TV:
Chip Carey,
Brad Thompson,
Jim Edmonds,
For Radio:
John Rooney,
Rick Horton.
Name them and shame them. Just because our team his having an off year doesn’t mean you broadcasters have to suck too. Horrible!
Do Better!
The STL broadcasters should put their bias aside and actually use their brains. Pathetic analysis, and as always, great analysis by CCS!
Cards announcers are ridiculous lol
Never seen such a blatant hitting the batter as this. Worse is that everyone could tell the previous play was an accident. If I were a pitcher I would never purposely try to hit a batter, even if were told to. And yes, that broadcast team is horrible defending it.
Right call. Pitcher is a jerk.
I wish Jack Flaherty was pitching tonight.
Also, this woman actually says, “This is baseball in the 2020’s.”
Omg ! Just because the owners elected a hedge fund manager to be the commissioner of baseball doesn’t change the game.
It’s still baseball !
They took away the play at the plate. The most exciting play in baseball ! Because their golden boy in SF broke his leg ?!
They didn’t do that when Ray Fosse broke his leg.
Baseball will survive this greedy obviousness.
Players with advertisements on their jerseys and helmets ? It was bad enough with the GD swooshes. Now we’re heading towards NASCAR territory.
Rob Manfred has ruined our National Pastime and he controls what commentators say. i.e. Alex Rodriguez gushing openly about how the rules changes have helped baseball !
Really ? Changing the 170 year old distance between the bases is good for baseball ?!
Manfred should be arrested for crimes against our sport.
If it's that freaking obvious, it should be an ejection every time. Mikolas might be the worst intentional thrower of all time lol
I’m a cardinals fan and I believe that the umpires handled it correctly. I wish the broadcasters would pick up a rule book. Thanks @closecallsports for the quick reference to NFHS. Broadcasters for each teams region needs to stop being crybabies. I forgot that is what they get paid to do.
Deliberately hitting someone is never the right way
This shows a lack of respect for the game
Any deliberate hit should always be an ejection
Another case where i think commentators to be suspended
Straight Red Card
Intentionally throwing at the batter GAME OVER for the offending pitcher
2:22 something especially cool about that particular ejection (the motion)
Lindsay said half the foot was on the line which is legal for the swing but not pre pitch. The angle doesn’t show but to take his legal position in the box both feet must be completely within the lines. It is legal to swing and bat the ball with a foot partially touching the line. If a back foot is partially out pre pitch we normally don’t move the batter up because he will be legal as soon as the pitch is on the way. If someone complains we will move the batter up an inch or 2. Joe West famously borrowed the batters bat to measure a wiped out line and move him up and then give him his bat back. Maybe MLB umps will have to eyeball batters with backswing issues.