A kind advice, you should keep the important information, the graphics, for a longer time, you show them so fast ghat results hard to press pause before they are gone... Makes whatching it quite annoying. Please don't follow LLT pathway here, but Hardware Unboxed or Gamer Nexus ones
@@someguy321 This is a video with 10+ graphs, having to stop every graph is a waste of time when they could just extend the graph time instead of showing some random laptop
Great comparison. One suggestion through. Instead of testing battery life by running the torture test for 30 minutes, consider testing how much battery is used after a fixed number of iterations. This approach measures battery impact per workload unit, offering more consistent results. You also don’t need separate tests for performance and battery life-combining them saves time and gives a clearer picture of efficiency.
100% agree. We are trying to move to this. It's just challenging as it's not natively built into Cinebench we need to use dedicated testing software. But good call
That is a great idea actually. Perhaps instead of doing a Cinebench run, something like a Premier Pro Export on CPU using the same video file would be a good option. You'd be able to see a real-world workload being executed, if its possible and you can also see both time and power savings. Plus you could get some very interesting data and extrapolate how many exports could be done on battery in a given timeframe which could be a really interesting datapoint
Not possible when you have shitdows devices. They blue screen everytime you try to do something. How can one measure the battery consumption for a specific workload when the workload doesn't get completed 😂😂😂
Impressive comparison-bravo! Josh, why can't we have a true competitor to Apple Macs? It seems so straightforward: a top-notch monitor, the latest RYZEN AI or Intel Lunar Lake chip, a sturdy build, and a keyboard and trackpad on par with the Surface 7. What’s holding manufacturers back?
Zenbook S 14 and S 16 as an equivalent to the MacBook Airs. Zephyrus G14 and G16 / ProArt P16 as an equivalent to the MacBook Pros. Other than the glass trackpads not being haptic (but still glass and not plastic) and the battery life not being AS great (but still really good especially when you disable the dedicated GPU for the Zephyrus and ProArt) in basically all other areas they match or exceed the Macs.
@@thomasandersr The whole point is having the preformance with the battery life. Why would i want to disable my dedicated gpu just to try and match the Macbook in battery life when it should be efficient enought to provide more battery life when i choose to use lighter tasks. If i used that logic to disable gpu cores or cpu cores inside a Macbook the battery life would be even greater
The advantage of the Mac's long battery life comes from the ARM architecture (a type of way to build CPUs), seen in Apple's M Series chips. On the contrary, most Windows CPUs like the Ryzen AI and the Lunar Lake chips all use the less efficient x64 CPU architecture. The reason Windows computers are slower to move to the ARM platform is because of two main reasons: compatibility issues moving from x64 to ARM, and the lack of a sufficiently powerful enough windows ARM CPU.
software + hardware integration. when you have different manufacturers mobo, screen, cpu, graphics etc. and then different makers of ever program... theres a lot of suboptimal power use that Apple just doesnt have to deal with.
Great video, keep doing those, the several tests are extremely useful, would be great if you include a 4th one different than the rest and do an aggregated result table. Showing Overall score for those laptops that you estimated in another video by your own criteria at the end next to the aggregated battery table would be useful for people who prioritize battery life but want an overall good laptop.
Refresh rate is also a big factor in battery life. I am pretty sure that if the screen doesn't have adaptive refresh rate, 144hz vs 60hz have big impact on the battery on long sessions like light browsing / Netflix.
Here we go again the age old boot licking of "windows devices have higher refresh rate" Windows devices have to use higher refresh rate because of how garbage the software is. And despite being run on 144Hz it still looks crap. A macbook running 60Hz feels wayy smoother than a windows machine running on 144Hz
@@JustJoshTech Technically, there's other important factors too: - for higher power CPUs, their power limit (usually set by the manufacturer) has a BIG contribution. For example, except Lunar Lake, all Intel CPUs can use 100W, meaning they will last less than one hour / lose over 50% in 30 minutes of Cinebench. The same laptops with the same CPUs, if limited, can suddenly be much more power efficient - laptop and motherboard configuration impacts the battery drain too. Learned this from Framework. Simply having more ports, even if unplugged, can increase your battery drain. And how you design the motherboard matters too. That's why you can have different results between laptops with the same CPU, RAM and battery size. And why you have to individually test each laptop in general, unfortunately. Now this difference shouldn't be big in terms of amount of watts, but if it's 1W extra when you're consuming 3W, then it does matter for getting from 15 to 20 hours of use. - I'd argue that the OS might matter too, as I think that MacOS gives Macbooks an advantage. I'd say that Linux should be better on battery, since it's usually more lightweight (especially if you want to go minimalistic, you can TRULY make it minimalistic). But it might need some hassle configuring it / might not have a good easy switch. I'll personally be happy to see these tests in Linux too, as I don't want to hear from Microsoft again, they're too controlling and spywareish, and I can't trust them anymore. As a personal remark, with the battery advancements, I really hope that the 100W limit for airplanes will be lifted / extended for non Li-Ion batteries. Since 16"-18" laptops have the space and weight room to include even a 200Wh battery. That would open up true high performance full day workstations. With a good, bright, high refresh rate screen, without reducing it to 60 Hz and 200 nits.
At 10:44 I think there's a mistake as 3rd & 4th are exactle the same device (if it's a little different or the same with different screen resolution it's not clear) Nervertheless, great vid and comparison as always!
A Standby battery test would also be helpful to have. And please make your full results across all the laptops you've tested available on your website. It would be great to be able to look at all the results in a single file or page
This is really fascinating. It goes against common knowledge of more cores means more power consumption. I do wonder how much of this is: Silicon lottery and if the tests were done in High Performance, Auto, or Low battery mode? I’m new to Apple silicon, but coming from a windows laptop, it’s super confusing on why the 14C lasted longer than the 12c. Another thing could be that they found the 14C to run cooler, which can help battery life. Such first world problems to have… lol
Hey, can we expect a review of Vivobook S14 lunar lake? Its at a really good price rn. Cheapest Lunar Lake device. And you seem to have it in studio. Atleast add some remarks to the website maybe? It's empty currently
Youre awesome, this test really hilights one often overlooked metric, as a lot of folks need long Battery life during light use. Getting to work anywhere you want/ need without worrying about battery life not keeping up is a overlooked but widely important characteristic of a Notebook. For many applications the performance of mid/high-range-low power-cpus is more than enough, so the buildquality, screenquality, networkenabled use paired with light tasks is a product many peopel want for their digital needs.
Awesome test! In my opinion, I think using video playback is not at all representative of real use, even light tasks. Video will rely on the CPUs video encoder, which is usually optimised for this kind of thing. An MSI with 22 hours of video playback won't hit 15 hours even with every battery trick under the son in any other scenario.
I think, even though it is a zen 4 device, you should take a look at the 14" ideapad pro 5. Probably the best priced device (in europe) at the moment. 8840hs 32/1tb 2.8k 120hz screen and 84wh battery. Battery lifes not great but good.
I like the overall way of testing the battery life based on real used cases such as Netflix. BUT, testing battery life based off how much the system says it has used is VERY inaccurate. Apple in particular is known for their batteries reporting to drain very slowly until they reach about 85% when it starts to drain significantly quicker. Therefore, you can't calculate battery life based on the first few percentage drops and doing the math. You need to drain it!
I really appreciate Josh's efforts in providing in-depth reviews for nerds like us. It's fine, but for the general audience,(going to really buy ) it can be very difficult to understand the information presented.
@@JustJoshTech I wasn't expecting such a quick response. Thanks for that! I really liked your videos because they are always beneficial for all audiences in the purchase process and are clear and thoughtful. Were some big channel misses the point.
I think the laptop market for some reason is far behind the smartphone market. I mean laptop manufacturers still try to sell us devices with 8 GB ram. Also the OLED thing sucks for the basic user. No non graphics guy cares if the display scores 98 or 99% colour accuracy. While most people would like a 120hz screen with a good resolution more and maybe with a matte screen. Also saves battery. Price can't be a reason. My 300€ 12" tablet has a 2,5k 120hz. And yet manufacturers sell me devises with fhd 60hz displays for 1.5k because of a 2tb SSD that costs 70 bucks.
Maybe the reason is, that there's less new Chinese manufacturers that offer such products for low prices. I think when Xiaomi and others will try to attack the market things might change.
I believe that people who expect every product to be identical and tailored specifically for them are missing the point of having a variety of choices and differences in the market. There are many consumer demographics, and certain products are designed to appeal to specific groups. Instead of complaining about devices that you would never purchase but that sell well to their intended audience, you should focus on selecting the products that cater to your own needs.
you can make a script to run different tasks and applications for specific amount of time, while running 3-4 applications in the background to make the tests more realistic.
I’m curious to why the your guys testing the yoga slim 7i aura edition performs really bad whereas dave2d’s video on it shows it performs really good in terms of battery life.
The Lunar Lake machines have good batteries doing light tasks, but when they multitask or do medium to heavy loads, they have diminishing returns for efficiency.
They did make one as I'm looking at buying one now from bestbuy. I'm surprised it's no where to be found on this list. Edit: Never mind, you're right. it doesn't exist. :(
my experience is Apple battery meters lie. They will still show 90%+ for a while, then when they start dropping it is more rapid. This makes me think the "9%" of battery is an unreliable test.
I use Apple products for over 20 years and this is only true for the iPhone. But not how you described it. iPhones stay at 100% longer but then drop quicker. For the MacBooks this is not the case at all. As you could see later in the test where the MacBook Pros still ended up as almost the longest lasting laptops. If I remember the chart correctly the MacBook Pro was 4th compared to three windows laptops that lasted longer BUT were much cheaper and therefore had also less power. The similarly priced MacBook Pro competitor Asus Pro art 16 barely made the list at all.
I think this is a problem with Lithium-Ion batteries in general. I know a lot of Android phones that go from 100% -> 90% very quickly, but stay on 40% for ages. There is a rumor, though, that iPhones last much less longer during winter compared to Android phones, so maybe Apple products have some kind of battery quirk? Who knows.
@@bodigames iPhone's are made with larger batteries then advertised. For example, if they advertise 3000Mah it could actually be 3100Mah. iOS will read anything above 3000Mah as 100%, for charge and health. If you plug a NEW iPhone into a computer and use Coconut Battery (Mac) or iMazing (Windows) to check the battery, it will show it's true health. Mine is currently at 102.5% health. Pretty interesting. For Mac's I'm not sure as I never bought a new Mac so I never checked.
@@ctrl_x1770 I doubt it is a quirk, as they probably use similar cells. Maybe some sort of protection Apple puts on the battery to increase its lifetime or reduce degradation.
10:45 I’m sorry, is the Ultra 7 258V just that terrible in regards to battery for performance use? I see the 155H make 3 appearances in the top 10 here but 258V is nowhere to be found :o
Battery life and high quality screen with decent performance are my top priority. Unfortunately windows laptop with high resolution screens get disqualified and 1080p screen is not enjoyable. I am forced to purchase a Macbook Air 15 coz it has no competition even though I love Windows OS.
This is a great theme, battery is the #1 most important criteria in laptop in my opinion. However, the way you present, as a % of battery drain after a given set of time, is not very helpful in understanding how many hours the laptop lasts. You should ideally run full battery drain tests, or at least make a math extrapolation to project how many hours a battery would last considering your x minutes testing. That way of presenting would be much more meaninful.
Why do people still not use hibernate is beyond me. Those 15-30 seconds extra must be really important! Though on the other hand insisting on using sleep and complaining about it when it doesn't work well will push the manufacturers to eventually fix it. I was quite amazed to find out last year when LTT made that video about sleep on Windows, that so many years later sleep is still with issues. Quite many apparently. I've seem to have dodged a bullet by going with hibernation from the start in the XP era and had literally 0 issues so far in ... 20 years ?
I was a bit disappointed that you didn’t include the Microsoft surface Laptop 7 X Elite with the 12 cores X1E80-100 processor and 15-inch screen. I just got it myself, and it’s been amazing and very recommended. Ik you guys only have the 13inch model covered but the 15 inch one seems to be next level. Still love u guys though ❤🎉
I have one, and it has great battery life at video playback but falls hard when multitasking or medium to heavy loads and cannot compete with my MB Air 15 M3.
I was hoping that Josh would do a standby test as well. I have commented about this in previous videos. But then I realized, people who usually use x86 laptops are so used to just shutting them down, that they don't even know about ARM laptops having incredible standby time. This comes from the fact that x86 laptops programmed people's mind that standby sucks your battery.
This isn’t that useful because the laptops have few common specs so there’s no level playing field. You need to make a more complicated calculation of a coefficient of efficiency by accurately weighting the contributory factors that you list: battery size, CPU TDP, screen size, type & resolution etc. Overall package efficiency would be the ultimate way to rank these laptops and then buyers could decide which trade offs they were prepared to make in return for getting features that matter to them eg bigger battery = larger form factor & more weight. Someone might decide to go for a lower powered CPU but a higher resolution screen and a smaller or larger form factor. Knowing the overall package efficiency would help them pick the best laptop for them.
No you don´t. This isn´t about the most battery efficient device or the one that can make the most out of a small chassis, but about which laptop has the best battery life (while performing at least okay-ish). Most people don´t care if the battery life comes from an efficient chip or a large battery, they just want a good battery life. Of course it matters if a laptop suddenly is huge because it has a huge battery or how good the screen is, but a) major flaws where pointed out and b) that´s not the point of the video. A potential costumer would now go out and look at the 2 or 3 options, that seem to fit their needs best, in more detail and there they will be confronted with the pros and cons. This is just a "Who can run the longest? We don´t care how you do it, but don´t stop" competition
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A kind advice, you should keep the important information, the graphics, for a longer time, you show them so fast ghat results hard to press pause before they are gone... Makes whatching it quite annoying. Please don't follow LLT pathway here, but Hardware Unboxed or Gamer Nexus ones
It has been an issue for quite long
It's far more important to watch him and her flail their hands and move their mouth than watch the actual numbers on screen apparently
@Duvdeve I did not want to say it like that, but yes
Hard disagree. Just pause the video ffs.
@@someguy321 This is a video with 10+ graphs, having to stop every graph is a waste of time when they could just extend the graph time instead of showing some random laptop
Great comparison. One suggestion through. Instead of testing battery life by running the torture test for 30 minutes, consider testing how much battery is used after a fixed number of iterations. This approach measures battery impact per workload unit, offering more consistent results. You also don’t need separate tests for performance and battery life-combining them saves time and gives a clearer picture of efficiency.
100% agree. We are trying to move to this. It's just challenging as it's not natively built into Cinebench we need to use dedicated testing software. But good call
Disagreed. I need the light use results as I am not a power user.
That is a great idea actually. Perhaps instead of doing a Cinebench run, something like a Premier Pro Export on CPU using the same video file would be a good option. You'd be able to see a real-world workload being executed, if its possible and you can also see both time and power savings. Plus you could get some very interesting data and extrapolate how many exports could be done on battery in a given timeframe which could be a really interesting datapoint
I agree. If a laptop can finish rendering a video in 20 minutes instead of 10 but loses less battery percentage, then it's a win.
Not possible when you have shitdows devices. They blue screen everytime you try to do something. How can one measure the battery consumption for a specific workload when the workload doesn't get completed 😂😂😂
Love this video! Incredible improvement in speech pace. Nice job Cierra!
Impressive comparison-bravo!
Josh, why can't we have a true competitor to Apple Macs? It seems so straightforward: a top-notch monitor, the latest RYZEN AI or Intel Lunar Lake chip, a sturdy build, and a keyboard and trackpad on par with the Surface 7. What’s holding manufacturers back?
It may cost same as macbooks again people will give macbook the preference
Zenbook S 14 and S 16 as an equivalent to the MacBook Airs.
Zephyrus G14 and G16 / ProArt P16 as an equivalent to the MacBook Pros.
Other than the glass trackpads not being haptic (but still glass and not plastic) and the battery life not being AS great (but still really good especially when you disable the dedicated GPU for the Zephyrus and ProArt) in basically all other areas they match or exceed the Macs.
@@thomasandersr The whole point is having the preformance with the battery life. Why would i want to disable my dedicated gpu just to try and match the Macbook in battery life when it should be efficient enought to provide more battery life when i choose to use lighter tasks. If i used that logic to disable gpu cores or cpu cores inside a Macbook the battery life would be even greater
The advantage of the Mac's long battery life comes from the ARM architecture (a type of way to build CPUs), seen in Apple's M Series chips. On the contrary, most Windows CPUs like the Ryzen AI and the Lunar Lake chips all use the less efficient x64 CPU architecture.
The reason Windows computers are slower to move to the ARM platform is because of two main reasons: compatibility issues moving from x64 to ARM, and the lack of a sufficiently powerful enough windows ARM CPU.
software + hardware integration. when you have different manufacturers mobo, screen, cpu, graphics etc. and then different makers of ever program... theres a lot of suboptimal power use that Apple just doesnt have to deal with.
Zenbook s14 lunar lake almost matched M4's battery life while using OLED. Intel really nailed it this generation.
Unfortunately it reflects in price. Entry zen 9 is almost 40% cheaper in Europe.
They just need to work on they’re cooling and build quality
@@Definitely_Melnyx wtf is zen 9 its zen 5
@@afxquest6167 surface would save the day
@@SarthakNarnaulia He's living in the future
Great video, keep doing those, the several tests are extremely useful, would be great if you include a 4th one different than the rest and do an aggregated result table. Showing Overall score for those laptops that you estimated in another video by your own criteria at the end next to the aggregated battery table would be useful for people who prioritize battery life but want an overall good laptop.
That is a good idea
ngl this is most information to me on a laptop. I go battery first, then filter by performance second. so glad to see a video like this.
Please make more videos like this.. I really appreciate the work that has been put in here....
The MBP M4 Pro beating the MBP M4 base on light use runtime is challenging my grasp of reality (which to be fair is very weak these days).
Refresh rate is also a big factor in battery life. I am pretty sure that if the screen doesn't have adaptive refresh rate, 144hz vs 60hz have big impact on the battery on long sessions like light browsing / Netflix.
That is true. But you can just turn it down to 60Hz of you want. That's why we didn't call it out
@@JustJoshTech Were the battery tests for the Zenbooks done with 60Hz?
Here we go again the age old boot licking of
"windows devices have higher refresh rate"
Windows devices have to use higher refresh rate because of how garbage the software is. And despite being run on 144Hz it still looks crap. A macbook running 60Hz feels wayy smoother than a windows machine running on 144Hz
@@JustJoshTech Technically, there's other important factors too:
- for higher power CPUs, their power limit (usually set by the manufacturer) has a BIG contribution. For example, except Lunar Lake, all Intel CPUs can use 100W, meaning they will last less than one hour / lose over 50% in 30 minutes of Cinebench. The same laptops with the same CPUs, if limited, can suddenly be much more power efficient
- laptop and motherboard configuration impacts the battery drain too. Learned this from Framework. Simply having more ports, even if unplugged, can increase your battery drain. And how you design the motherboard matters too. That's why you can have different results between laptops with the same CPU, RAM and battery size. And why you have to individually test each laptop in general, unfortunately. Now this difference shouldn't be big in terms of amount of watts, but if it's 1W extra when you're consuming 3W, then it does matter for getting from 15 to 20 hours of use.
- I'd argue that the OS might matter too, as I think that MacOS gives Macbooks an advantage. I'd say that Linux should be better on battery, since it's usually more lightweight (especially if you want to go minimalistic, you can TRULY make it minimalistic). But it might need some hassle configuring it / might not have a good easy switch. I'll personally be happy to see these tests in Linux too, as I don't want to hear from Microsoft again, they're too controlling and spywareish, and I can't trust them anymore.
As a personal remark, with the battery advancements, I really hope that the 100W limit for airplanes will be lifted / extended for non Li-Ion batteries. Since 16"-18" laptops have the space and weight room to include even a 200Wh battery. That would open up true high performance full day workstations. With a good, bright, high refresh rate screen, without reducing it to 60 Hz and 200 nits.
At 10:44 I think there's a mistake as 3rd & 4th are exactle the same device (if it's a little different or the same with different screen resolution it's not clear)
Nervertheless, great vid and comparison as always!
A Standby battery test would also be helpful to have. And please make your full results across all the laptops you've tested available on your website. It would be great to be able to look at all the results in a single file or page
Good job on the video! Don't worry about the typo, the content is dope. Keep up the good work
I was thinking the 12 core M4 pro was more power efficient than 14 core m4 pro on 14 inch, but the results are shocking. Why is this the case ?
Max Tech also had the same result.
Interesting indeed.
This is really fascinating. It goes against common knowledge of more cores means more power consumption.
I do wonder how much of this is:
Silicon lottery and if the tests were done in High Performance, Auto, or Low battery mode?
I’m new to Apple silicon, but coming from a windows laptop, it’s super confusing on why the 14C lasted longer than the 12c. Another thing could be that they found the 14C to run cooler, which can help battery life.
Such first world problems to have… lol
as an ESL teacher, this is what i need for my next purchase.. thank you..
Hey, can we expect a review of Vivobook S14 lunar lake? Its at a really good price rn. Cheapest Lunar Lake device. And you seem to have it in studio. Atleast add some remarks to the website maybe? It's empty currently
Youre awesome, this test really hilights one often overlooked metric, as a lot of folks need long Battery life during light use.
Getting to work anywhere you want/ need without worrying about battery life not keeping up is a overlooked but widely important characteristic of a Notebook.
For many applications the performance of mid/high-range-low power-cpus is more than enough, so the buildquality, screenquality, networkenabled use paired with light tasks is a product many peopel want for their digital needs.
This is just the video we've all been waiting for!!!
Huge shoutout to Sierra for taking all the feedback gracefully and improving on the presentation. She was amazing in this video.
Awesome test!
In my opinion, I think using video playback is not at all representative of real use, even light tasks. Video will rely on the CPUs video encoder, which is usually optimised for this kind of thing. An MSI with 22 hours of video playback won't hit 15 hours even with every battery trick under the son in any other scenario.
Well, technically you have the use case of really long flights. But, yeah, not representative for everything else that's not video playback.
I was happy to at least see once the framework 13 in the charts 😅
Good video with interesting use cases !
Best laptop channel on YT. You always make unique videos with good content. Thanks!
7:45 MSI advertises it at 75Wh, BUT we measured it at 72Wh. Got you MSI!
Ah yes, good old multiple serious issues. (probably battery lifetime improvement setting being turned on or something like that to be fair)
I think, even though it is a zen 4 device, you should take a look at the 14" ideapad pro 5. Probably the best priced device (in europe) at the moment. 8840hs 32/1tb 2.8k 120hz screen and 84wh battery. Battery lifes not great but good.
thank you for the graphs excluding the macs!
This is the video I've been looking forward to. Would it be possible to have an update list for upcoming laptops on your website?
I like the overall way of testing the battery life based on real used cases such as Netflix.
BUT, testing battery life based off how much the system says it has used is VERY inaccurate.
Apple in particular is known for their batteries reporting to drain very slowly until they reach about 85% when it starts to drain significantly quicker.
Therefore, you can't calculate battery life based on the first few percentage drops and doing the math. You need to drain it!
Vivobook S15 destroys everyone in terms of value - $500 is crazy!
She's got the tempo down. Significant improvement. Great job.
I really appreciate Josh's efforts in providing in-depth reviews for nerds like us. It's fine, but for the general audience,(going to really buy ) it can be very difficult to understand the information presented.
Yes I agree. We struggled greatly with this video. And just seeing the comments this am we probably could have arranged the info a bit better
@@JustJoshTech I wasn't expecting such a quick response. Thanks for that! I really liked your videos because they are always beneficial for all audiences in the purchase process and are clear and thoughtful. Were some big channel misses the point.
I think the laptop market for some reason is far behind the smartphone market. I mean laptop manufacturers still try to sell us devices with 8 GB ram. Also the OLED thing sucks for the basic user. No non graphics guy cares if the display scores 98 or 99% colour accuracy. While most people would like a 120hz screen with a good resolution more and maybe with a matte screen. Also saves battery.
Price can't be a reason. My 300€ 12" tablet has a 2,5k 120hz. And yet manufacturers sell me devises with fhd 60hz displays for 1.5k because of a 2tb SSD that costs 70 bucks.
Maybe the reason is, that there's less new Chinese manufacturers that offer such products for low prices. I think when Xiaomi and others will try to attack the market things might change.
I believe that people who expect every product to be identical and tailored specifically for them are missing the point of having a variety of choices and differences in the market. There are many consumer demographics, and certain products are designed to appeal to specific groups. Instead of complaining about devices that you would never purchase but that sell well to their intended audience, you should focus on selecting the products that cater to your own needs.
you can make a script to run different tasks and applications for specific amount of time, while running 3-4 applications in the background to make the tests more realistic.
It was nice to see my M3 Pro MBP 14 doing well in the battery tests.
I think a time per watt hour section would be helpful for comparing battery life across laptops with different size batteries
Finally battery test with light use 🙏🤟
I think you should really add an option for your website where i can choose the cpu brand like amd, intel and not only cpu names :)
Josh I’m confused between zenbook 14 oled ultra 7 vs MacBook m2 512 which one should I choose ?
Did these test account for misreporting battery percentages in macbooks in perfentages between 80-100%?
From the rundown tests I have seen, your concern is moot as they still perform fantastically.
Can i suggest you giys review the thinkpad e14 gen6? It seems like a really good laptop, even if it is using last gent tech
so what should i get if i want max battery life and no fan noise ? any advice ?
Asking for a macbook. - Video 2
I’m curious to why the your guys testing the yoga slim 7i aura edition performs really bad whereas dave2d’s video on it shows it performs really good in terms of battery life.
Higher refresh rate? More brightness? These things matter, especially with newer monitors that are more power hungry then good`ol ips.
The Lunar Lake machines have good batteries doing light tasks, but when they multitask or do medium to heavy loads, they have diminishing returns for efficiency.
How tf did the razer blade 18 make a top 10 battery list
If they put the zen 5 chips into a zenbook s 14, it would be the perfect laptop. Although a Haptic Touchpad would be nice
They did make one as I'm looking at buying one now from bestbuy. I'm surprised it's no where to be found on this list.
Edit: Never mind, you're right. it doesn't exist. :(
my experience is Apple battery meters lie.
They will still show 90%+ for a while, then when they start dropping it is more rapid.
This makes me think the "9%" of battery is an unreliable test.
I use Apple products for over 20 years and this is only true for the iPhone. But not how you described it. iPhones stay at 100% longer but then drop quicker. For the MacBooks this is not the case at all. As you could see later in the test where the MacBook Pros still ended up as almost the longest lasting laptops. If I remember the chart correctly the MacBook Pro was 4th compared to three windows laptops that lasted longer BUT were much cheaper and therefore had also less power. The similarly priced MacBook Pro competitor Asus Pro art 16 barely made the list at all.
I agree
I think this is a problem with Lithium-Ion batteries in general. I know a lot of Android phones that go from 100% -> 90% very quickly, but stay on 40% for ages. There is a rumor, though, that iPhones last much less longer during winter compared to Android phones, so maybe Apple products have some kind of battery quirk? Who knows.
@@bodigames iPhone's are made with larger batteries then advertised. For example, if they advertise 3000Mah it could actually be 3100Mah. iOS will read anything above 3000Mah as 100%, for charge and health. If you plug a NEW iPhone into a computer and use Coconut Battery (Mac) or iMazing (Windows) to check the battery, it will show it's true health. Mine is currently at 102.5% health. Pretty interesting. For Mac's I'm not sure as I never bought a new Mac so I never checked.
@@ctrl_x1770 I doubt it is a quirk, as they probably use similar cells. Maybe some sort of protection Apple puts on the battery to increase its lifetime or reduce degradation.
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Gr8 video
You should also include standby time for laptop, how different chips handles battery when laptop is sleeping
do you think macbook pro 16 with m4pro has a bette battery overall than macbook 14 ( cuz I think josh doesn't havee a m4pro 16 macbook pro)
It 100% does -- bigger chassis = bigger battery. Rough math makes it look like the a 16" M4 Pro = a 14" M4 base (24 hours).
The most surprising is the razer blade
10:45 I’m sorry, is the Ultra 7 258V just that terrible in regards to battery for performance use?
I see the 155H make 3 appearances in the top 10 here but 258V is nowhere to be found :o
8:37 - it's top 1
Battery life and high quality screen with decent performance are my top priority. Unfortunately windows laptop with high resolution screens get disqualified and 1080p screen is not enjoyable. I am forced to purchase a Macbook Air 15 coz it has no competition even though I love Windows OS.
This is a great theme, battery is the #1 most important criteria in laptop in my opinion. However, the way you present, as a % of battery drain after a given set of time, is not very helpful in understanding how many hours the laptop lasts. You should ideally run full battery drain tests, or at least make a math extrapolation to project how many hours a battery would last considering your x minutes testing. That way of presenting would be much more meaninful.
We agree. We are reading the comments, and we are looking at how to improve our testing and how to better present it
Aaandd thats why I bought a Macbook Air 15 M3 :)
Goodbye Windows
Intel catching up? OK, but I can buy used MacBooks for $350.
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That is the final laptop we are reviewing in 2024! Should be late next week
Battery drain during Sleep/Lid closed is just as important
Why do people still not use hibernate is beyond me. Those 15-30 seconds extra must be really important!
Though on the other hand insisting on using sleep and complaining about it when it doesn't work well will push the manufacturers to eventually fix it. I was quite amazed to find out last year when LTT made that video about sleep on Windows, that so many years later sleep is still with issues. Quite many apparently. I've seem to have dodged a bullet by going with hibernation from the start in the XP era and had literally 0 issues so far in ... 20 years ?
I was a bit disappointed that you didn’t include the Microsoft surface Laptop 7 X Elite with the 12 cores X1E80-100 processor and 15-inch screen. I just got it myself, and it’s been amazing and very recommended. Ik you guys only have the 13inch model covered but the 15 inch one seems to be next level. Still love u guys though ❤🎉
They probably included it but it just didnt make the list, keep in mind they did test 200 laptops and it was only a top 10 list
I have one, and it has great battery life at video playback but falls hard when multitasking or medium to heavy loads and cannot compete with my MB Air 15 M3.
I was hoping that Josh would do a standby test as well. I have commented about this in previous videos.
But then I realized, people who usually use x86 laptops are so used to just shutting them down, that they don't even know about ARM laptops having incredible standby time.
This comes from the fact that x86 laptops programmed people's mind that standby sucks your battery.
What about Linux compatible laptops? Anyone?
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This isn’t that useful because the laptops have few common specs so there’s no level playing field. You need to make a more complicated calculation of a coefficient of efficiency by accurately weighting the contributory factors that you list: battery size, CPU TDP, screen size, type & resolution etc. Overall package efficiency would be the ultimate way to rank these laptops and then buyers could decide which trade offs they were prepared to make in return for getting features that matter to them eg bigger battery = larger form factor & more weight. Someone might decide to go for a lower powered CPU but a higher resolution screen and a smaller or larger form factor. Knowing the overall package efficiency would help them pick the best laptop for them.
No you don´t. This isn´t about the most battery efficient device or the one that can make the most out of a small chassis, but about which laptop has the best battery life (while performing at least okay-ish). Most people don´t care if the battery life comes from an efficient chip or a large battery, they just want a good battery life. Of course it matters if a laptop suddenly is huge because it has a huge battery or how good the screen is, but a) major flaws where pointed out and b) that´s not the point of the video. A potential costumer would now go out and look at the 2 or 3 options, that seem to fit their needs best, in more detail and there they will be confronted with the pros and cons. This is just a "Who can run the longest? We don´t care how you do it, but don´t stop" competition
This is not a scientific test; it is the results to expect if you buy and use one of these laptops like a normal person.
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Does anyone really care how Macs perform? You're either a Mac-user or you're not.
That's why we had a Windows laptop only section at the end
@@JustJoshTech Should've been the opposite
m4 it is lol
MacBook Pro m4 pro 16 inch would be the best. It’s rated by apple at 24 hours
319 views in 8 minutes. Bro fell off
dude shut up
Useless tests. Why don't you ever tests the battery until the laptop dies?
We had a test there that does that! The third one
Gotta watch till the end, they do show that, as well as non Apple models
Can you do weight-adjusted for battery size / cinebench score?
you probably also wouldn't need to disqualify laptops then