This is now banned in Maryland and Plaza Art Supply won’t carry it in DC or Virginia. Strongly suggest reading the Safety Data sheet. It is not what they claim. This sucks because I hate cleaning my brushes. Still searching for an alternative.
I still use a small cane of 16oz for 7 years ! It can be recycled really well, just wait for the pigments to settle at the bottom of the pot and pour it out. I also let my brushes soak in oil while I finish my project, so I only clean up at the very end.
FANTASTIC! Thank you 🙏 I made a summary of the info from your 2 vids, might help some folks who’d like a visual reference for non-toxic oil painting 😊🌟 SUMMARY • use paint straight from the tube • use high quality brands to make this work better (Michael Harding, Old Holland, Rembrandt, Natural Pigments/ Rublev, Gamblin) • if you need some fluidity, use a little walnut oil or Oleal Gel (not sure on the spelling). • underpainting- use Oleal Gel, (or acrylics! Another vid recommended. Then use oils on top without issue.) • clean brushes with Turpenoid Natural, or Safflower oil (some color might be left though)
Bill Inman Oh my gosh! It’s so wonderful to get a direct response, I respect your work so much! 💜 I kept researching and found exactly what you were saying about the watercolors, but the varnishing part is an excellent point that I hadn’t thought of. Something I hadn’t seen yet in your videos was is there a varnish that is not as toxic? Worried about fumes. Again, thank you so much for the reply and the additional information!
I've read that 3d resin printers will sometimes replace their regular use of isopropyl alcohol to clean the excess resin off their models with turpenoid natural. That may partially explain the shortage. That's a growing hobby and alcohol has been very hard to find in large quantities for a couple of years because of hoarding for medical purposes and the consumption of it during the 3d resin printing process. Another replacement they use is called mean green; a strong, but mostly non-toxic degreaser. I haven't ever seen turpenoid natural so I don't know, but I might guess that turpenoid natural is at least partly the same stuff as mean green. It sounds like they share some of the same properties.
I use it when my synthetic brushes harden with oil. I have a bit in a glass jar and let my brushes sit there for a day or two. Is this alright, or should I just dip my brushes in it and let it dry out in the open air?
I just read with some concern, that the VOCs emitted by Turpenoid Natural (on the container) which says “Volatile Organic Compound 405 g/l. On the Gamsol container it says “Volatile Organic Compound 276 g/l. Not sure what to make of this. I do know that Blick or Jerry’s and others will not ship to some states do to the high VOCs in Turpenoid Natural.
@@masteroilpainting thanks for the info. You have a wealth of knowledge. This certainly makes my decision easier as I like the idea of staying healthy as well as having good products to use in oil painting. Oh...love your channel!
Hi! I just started oil painting and had used turpenoid natural as a medium. I thought maybe because I live in a humid environment, it was taking a long time to dry. Even now, two and a half weeks later, some areas are a little tacky. I am so glad you addressed this in your video. Were you able to continue that painting, should I wait it out until it is not tacky anymore? What do you recommend to use otherwise? Thank you for your videos!
Sorry to hear you were another victim of Turpenoid Natural as a medium. I had to basically paint it again I believe. That happened to me in the early 90s when they use to list it as a medium on the container. At the time I was experimenting to see if it could replace mineral spirits for initial washes and to make the paint more fluid. Two possibilities: 1. if it's possible to duplicate the colors with paint straight from the tube and add it on top of those areas, the higher pigment load will help it dry. The other is a spray product called Quick Dry - it might work. It's been so long since that happened, and I've never duplicated the event, so I'm not much help, sorry. Turpenoid Natural will eventually dry out - you'll discover that if you leave brushes unused for months after cleaning - but it is extremely slow. Let me know if you find a way to fix it.
Must be cv19 and the voluntary limited trade between US & Canada. I’m sure it will be back on the shelves soon... along with all the other supplies that painters are limited in buying right now, like nitrile gloves, etc...
Wow... This sounds like a miracle product. Does the Turpenoid Natural work effectively for cleaning *while* painting (when switching colours)? By that I mean, does it take a long time to clean them? I'm looking for non-toxic and non-combustible alternatives for plein air adventures, and this might be it!
Turpenoid Natural is not as fast as mineral spirits for cleaning during the painting process, but that's what I use. Although, I don't do a lot of cleaning of my brushes until the painting is finished. The only time I clean a brush is when I need a clean color and a specific brush I've already used (like when painting flowers that are bright and translucent).
I am a watercolorist that is just beginning in oils I have a set of Rosemary ivory (synthetic ) bristles brushes Would the Turpenoid or the murphy's oil soap be a good choice ?
@@masteroilpainting Thanks ! I ordered some turpeinod natural from amazon They only had one size but i grabbed it anyway Evidently it is still are the hard to get your hands on list NOW it is stuck somewhere up north in transit in the snow storm Oh well lol Thanks again
Cheap Joes Art Stuff has the 32oz on sale 22.29, normally 26.19. They don't list gallon sizes. This is before shipping charges. It may be simply shipping issues with single gallon orders. Maybe they were more prone to leaking in the larger sizes. Seems odd. Plenty of products get sold in gallon sizes. Usually they ship in 4 or 6 gallons per box from manufacturers. It could be a lack of demand for that size as well. Nobody wants gallons of material sitting in the warehouse not selling.
Murphy's Oil Soap is a popular one among artists. Someday I'll have to try it out. I've been using Turpenoid Natural since the early 90s, so I never found the need. One of the reasons I started using it was because at the time they said it could be used as a medium as well. Even though I rarely used mediums, I figure it wouldn't harm my paintings if it was in my brushes. Do you know if anything in Murphy's could cause any problems with oil paint (do you need to wash it out with soap and water before you paint again)? With Turpenoid Natural I no longer find the need to wash my brushes with soap and water.
This is now banned in Maryland and Plaza Art Supply won’t carry it in DC or Virginia. Strongly suggest reading the Safety Data sheet. It is not what they claim. This sucks because I hate cleaning my brushes. Still searching for an alternative.
I still use a small cane of 16oz for 7 years ! It can be recycled really well, just wait for the pigments to settle at the bottom of the pot and pour it out. I also let my brushes soak in oil while I finish my project, so I only clean up at the very end.
FANTASTIC! Thank you 🙏 I made a summary of the info from your 2 vids, might help some folks who’d like a visual reference for non-toxic oil painting 😊🌟
SUMMARY
• use paint straight from the tube
• use high quality brands to make this work better (Michael Harding, Old Holland, Rembrandt, Natural Pigments/ Rublev, Gamblin)
• if you need some fluidity, use a little walnut oil or Oleal Gel (not sure on the spelling).
• underpainting- use Oleal Gel, (or acrylics! Another vid recommended. Then use oils on top without issue.)
• clean brushes with Turpenoid Natural, or Safflower oil (some color might be left though)
Bill Inman Oh my gosh! It’s so wonderful to get a direct response, I respect your work so much! 💜 I kept researching and found exactly what you were saying about the watercolors, but the varnishing part is an excellent point that I hadn’t thought of. Something I hadn’t seen yet in your videos was is there a varnish that is not as toxic? Worried about fumes. Again, thank you so much for the reply and the additional information!
Bill Inman Noted! I will look for some of that for varnishing, thank you so much!
I've read that 3d resin printers will sometimes replace their regular use of isopropyl alcohol to clean the excess resin off their models with turpenoid natural. That may partially explain the shortage. That's a growing hobby and alcohol has been very hard to find in large quantities for a couple of years because of hoarding for medical purposes and the consumption of it during the 3d resin printing process. Another replacement they use is called mean green; a strong, but mostly non-toxic degreaser. I haven't ever seen turpenoid natural so I don't know, but I might guess that turpenoid natural is at least partly the same stuff as mean green. It sounds like they share some of the same properties.
I got a gallon of it at Jerry's in Raleigh, but that was a while ago.
I use it when my synthetic brushes harden with oil. I have a bit in a glass jar and let my brushes sit there for a day or two. Is this alright, or should I just dip my brushes in it and let it dry out in the open air?
I just read with some concern, that the VOCs emitted by Turpenoid Natural (on the container) which says “Volatile Organic Compound 405 g/l. On the Gamsol container it says “Volatile Organic Compound 276 g/l. Not sure what to make of this. I do know that Blick or Jerry’s and others will not ship to some states do to the high VOCs in Turpenoid Natural.
@@masteroilpainting thanks for the info. You have a wealth of knowledge. This certainly makes my decision easier as I like the idea of staying healthy as well as having good products to use in oil painting. Oh...love your channel!
Hi! I just started oil painting and had used turpenoid natural as a medium. I thought maybe because I live in a humid environment, it was taking a long time to dry. Even now, two and a half weeks later, some areas are a little tacky. I am so glad you addressed this in your video. Were you able to continue that painting, should I wait it out until it is not tacky anymore? What do you recommend to use otherwise? Thank you for your videos!
Sorry to hear you were another victim of Turpenoid Natural as a medium. I had to basically paint it again I believe. That happened to me in the early 90s when they use to list it as a medium on the container. At the time I was experimenting to see if it could replace mineral spirits for initial washes and to make the paint more fluid. Two possibilities: 1. if it's possible to duplicate the colors with paint straight from the tube and add it on top of those areas, the higher pigment load will help it dry. The other is a spray product called Quick Dry - it might work. It's been so long since that happened, and I've never duplicated the event, so I'm not much help, sorry. Turpenoid Natural will eventually dry out - you'll discover that if you leave brushes unused for months after cleaning - but it is extremely slow. Let me know if you find a way to fix it.
Gallons have been discontinued. I’m so upset. It doubles the price.
Must be cv19 and the voluntary limited trade between US & Canada. I’m sure it will be back on the shelves soon... along with all the other supplies that painters are limited in buying right now, like nitrile gloves, etc...
Wow... This sounds like a miracle product. Does the Turpenoid Natural work effectively for cleaning *while* painting (when switching colours)? By that I mean, does it take a long time to clean them? I'm looking for non-toxic and non-combustible alternatives for plein air adventures, and this might be it!
Turpenoid Natural is not as fast as mineral spirits for cleaning during the painting process, but that's what I use. Although, I don't do a lot of cleaning of my brushes until the painting is finished. The only time I clean a brush is when I need a clean color and a specific brush I've already used (like when painting flowers that are bright and translucent).
When cleaning brushes with turpenoid natural, do you squeeze it out and leave it in the brush?
I am a watercolorist that is just beginning in oils I have a set of Rosemary ivory (synthetic ) bristles brushes Would the Turpenoid or the murphy's oil soap be a good choice ?
@@masteroilpainting Thanks ! I ordered some turpeinod natural from amazon They only had one size but i grabbed it anyway Evidently it is still are the hard to get your hands on list NOW it is stuck somewhere up north in transit in the snow storm Oh well lol Thanks again
Cheap Joes Art Stuff has the 32oz on sale 22.29, normally 26.19. They don't list gallon sizes. This is before shipping charges.
It may be simply shipping issues with single gallon orders. Maybe they were more prone to leaking in the larger sizes.
Seems odd. Plenty of products get sold in gallon sizes. Usually they ship in 4 or 6 gallons per box from manufacturers. It could be a lack of demand for that size as well. Nobody wants gallons of material sitting in the warehouse not selling.
What paint thinner solvent do you recommend for an underpainting, that is non toxic? Thank you.
@@masteroilpainting thank you so much for taking the time to answer my question and provide so much useful information!!!!!
Very helpful. Gracias.
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Murphy's oil soap
Murphy's Oil Soap is a popular one among artists. Someday I'll have to try it out. I've been using Turpenoid Natural since the early 90s, so I never found the need. One of the reasons I started using it was because at the time they said it could be used as a medium as well. Even though I rarely used mediums, I figure it wouldn't harm my paintings if it was in my brushes. Do you know if anything in Murphy's could cause any problems with oil paint (do you need to wash it out with soap and water before you paint again)? With Turpenoid Natural I no longer find the need to wash my brushes with soap and water.
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