Hey bro ! I'm looking at different mid length boards. Both 6'8, seaside and beyond (eps) and the mid length crisis (PU). I've been told by a surf shop that the seaside and beyond is made for more smaller waves and you can get away with surfing bigger waves with the PU as it will sit into the wave more etc. Thoughts?
I’ve pushed my SSB to about head and a half and it’s handled everything absolutely no worries, in fact it gets better when it gets bigger! I’d say the quad setup would suit better than the pyzel to bigger stuff too and a friend has got some seriously good barrel rides on the SSB. In terms of construction yes the PU will be slightly heavier and sit lower in the water, but the LFT epoxy is heavier than the helium so unless it’s super choppy I’d be going SSB all the way!
Hello surf friend! Thanks for the topic. Need some advice if you can. Surfing northern Nicaragua and should be head high to 3-4 overhead (with offshore winds) most of the trip. Im taking 3 boards (smaller wave epoxy an a step up board- PU). My mid range is the one I need help with. Should I bring epoxy or PU for the mid range considering wind, size etc?
hmmmm this is a tough one! Personally I'd narrow it down to style of mid length rather than construction on that one - and if you're looking for some solid performance mid length options the Seaside and Beyond, Mid6, ACSOD Fox Tail and Cape Collective Broken Arrow are all worth checking out
Pricing - there are several constructions that use Epoxy resin - they are not always a little bit more - mass produced molded boards (NPS, Torq etc) will be cheaper than standard PU. Vacuum bagged constructions with a large model and size range Helium or DarkArts will be a lot more expensive. EPS boards that are made the same way as PU boards but substitute more durable materials eg EPS foam, carbon stringers epoxy resin, high tensile fibres (JS Hyfi, Lost light speed) are about 20-30% more expensive.
Hello!! Thanks for your videos. Just want to know your opinión about buoyancy EPS vs PU.... I ve read some people saying that EPS is approximately 20% more buoyancy than PU. Other people say that it is almost not noticeable! What do you think about that? And if you think there is a diference, which percentage could that diference be between the same surfboard? THANKS!!
To be honest it really depends on the brand you’re buying as not all epoxy builds are the same and some feel totally different to others. General rule of thumb is they feel around 1-2 litre more volume than PU, so you can either go a tad shorter, or just enjoy a bit of extra paddle power! Only really makes a super big difference if you’re buying a performance shortboard in that respect 🤙
@@StokedForTravel thanks for answering! I am going to try a fish 5'6....30.3 Liters and I am 6 feet tall , 80kg. The good thing I am noticing about that fish I am going to try/Buy is that the volume of that surfboard it is well concentrated in the paddling aérea! I am intermediate...
@@SamuT79 so, given your height and weight (similar to myself) I would potentially look at aiming for a slight bit of extra volume, especially on a shorter length. Not much, but around 32 would be a great fit for your level and size
@@StokedForTravel the thing is that the 32.2 Liters lenght board is 5'8......and I am looking for 5'6. I ll try the board and try to lose a couple of kilos myself, if is not ok for me I Will try another brand with more volume, as you said 32-33 Liters, but a 5'6
@@StokedForTravel this might be so, however, the simple fact is bouyancy doesn't relate to what type of material is being used. It is, rather, an equation of displacement - how much water it displaces. Simply put, two equal weights of given dimensions and of any material will have the same displacement or buoyancy. A cement boat, weighing the same as a wooden boat will have the same displacement/buoyancy.
Depends where I’m heading. My last trip I had the Seaside and the Chumlee for Sri Lanka which was ideal. I’m a big fan of the Seaside & Beyond / Dominator 2 combo at the moment though - covers most conditions 🤙
@@terryeyland5305 to be honest I haven't flown with that combo yet - just driving trips due to COVID. But for flights I have a custom board bag I got made in Bali. The Creatures of Leisure bags and DB bags are pretty solid though
Is funny how you say PU is the standard fiberglass surfboard. Fiberglass is the cloth use to glassing any surfboard, or anything you want to make water proof. Wether is EPS/Epoxy resin or PU/Polyester resin, both use fiberglass cloth.
For sure, it’s a solid point! However having worked in a surf shop for a while for some reason along the line a lot of surfers have started using that terminology to define the two options. Really I should’ve taken the chance to clear things up, but totally forgot when filming 🤣
@@StokedForTravel Don't go too far! A Kook one time talking to me in the line up, "a kid around 17 or 19" asked me if mine was resin or epoxy. I didn't even answer. Lol!
@@Surfmus hahaha! I think the issue probbaly stems from the fact a lot of early epoxy boards for beginners (think NSP, BIC etc) are a full epoxy plastic build rather than fibreglass with epoxy resins
Buoyancy - lighter boards whether PU or EPS are more buoyant. EPS boards can be stiffer so will feel "corkier" than the same shape, weight PU board. i.e when you push on the rail it'll come back out of the water quicker because it's not bending as much as a PU board. PU has better damping (Vibration absorption) characteristics This is why EPS/Epoxy boards "chatter" on faster waves with a bit of chop on the surface compared to PU.
true, but I've found epoxy boards do tend to "flood" a bit more when dinged. Not sure if it's because a lot of them are vacuum moulded or not, but they can be a nightmare to dry out sometimes!
You mean EPS surfboards. Epoxy is just resin. You can use it on Polyurethane (PU) foam or expanded polystyrene foam (EPS) EPS must be glassed with epoxy but the performance characteristics come from the foam more than the resin.
You're using a lot of incorrect terminology here - although for the most part the concepts are right - its possible to simplify for your audience without being misleading see below
Hey bro ! I'm looking at different mid length boards. Both 6'8, seaside and beyond (eps) and the mid length crisis (PU).
I've been told by a surf shop that the seaside and beyond is made for more smaller waves and you can get away with surfing bigger waves with the PU as it will sit into the wave more etc. Thoughts?
I’ve pushed my SSB to about head and a half and it’s handled everything absolutely no worries, in fact it gets better when it gets bigger! I’d say the quad setup would suit better than the pyzel to bigger stuff too and a friend has got some seriously good barrel rides on the SSB.
In terms of construction yes the PU will be slightly heavier and sit lower in the water, but the LFT epoxy is heavier than the helium so unless it’s super choppy I’d be going SSB all the way!
Hello surf friend! Thanks for the topic. Need some advice if you can. Surfing northern Nicaragua and should be head high to 3-4 overhead (with offshore winds) most of the trip. Im taking 3 boards (smaller wave epoxy an a step up board- PU). My mid range is the one I need help with. Should I bring epoxy or PU for the mid range considering wind, size etc?
hmmmm this is a tough one! Personally I'd narrow it down to style of mid length rather than construction on that one - and if you're looking for some solid performance mid length options the Seaside and Beyond, Mid6, ACSOD Fox Tail and Cape Collective Broken Arrow are all worth checking out
Great video, thanks mate!
No worries, I hope it helped :)
Hello, have you tried pyzel electralite eps technology? Im interested on some opinions about it
Can’t say I have! Let me know if you give it a go! 🤙
Pricing - there are several constructions that use Epoxy resin - they are not always a little bit more - mass produced molded boards (NPS, Torq etc) will be cheaper than standard PU. Vacuum bagged constructions with a large model and size range Helium or DarkArts will be a lot more expensive. EPS boards that are made the same way as PU boards but substitute more durable materials eg EPS foam, carbon stringers epoxy resin, high tensile fibres (JS Hyfi, Lost light speed) are about 20-30% more expensive.
Hello!! Thanks for your videos.
Just want to know your opinión about buoyancy EPS vs PU....
I ve read some people saying that EPS is approximately 20% more buoyancy than PU.
Other people say that it is almost not noticeable!
What do you think about that?
And if you think there is a diference, which percentage could that diference be between the same surfboard?
THANKS!!
To be honest it really depends on the brand you’re buying as not all epoxy builds are the same and some feel totally different to others. General rule of thumb is they feel around 1-2 litre more volume than PU, so you can either go a tad shorter, or just enjoy a bit of extra paddle power! Only really makes a super big difference if you’re buying a performance shortboard in that respect 🤙
@@StokedForTravel thanks for answering!
I am going to try a fish 5'6....30.3 Liters and I am 6 feet tall , 80kg.
The good thing I am noticing about that fish I am going to try/Buy is that the volume of that surfboard it is well concentrated in the paddling aérea! I am intermediate...
@@SamuT79 so, given your height and weight (similar to myself) I would potentially look at aiming for a slight bit of extra volume, especially on a shorter length. Not much, but around 32 would be a great fit for your level and size
@@StokedForTravel the thing is that the 32.2 Liters lenght board is 5'8......and I am looking for 5'6.
I ll try the board and try to lose a couple of kilos myself, if is not ok for me I Will try another brand with more volume, as you said 32-33 Liters, but a 5'6
@@StokedForTravel this might be so, however, the simple fact is bouyancy doesn't relate to what type of material is being used. It is, rather, an equation of displacement - how much water it displaces. Simply put, two equal weights of given dimensions and of any material will have the same displacement or buoyancy. A cement boat, weighing the same as a wooden boat will have the same displacement/buoyancy.
Which two firewire boards do you normally carry on a trip?
Depends where I’m heading. My last trip I had the Seaside and the Chumlee for Sri Lanka which was ideal. I’m a big fan of the Seaside & Beyond / Dominator 2 combo at the moment though - covers most conditions 🤙
@@StokedForTravel Nice! And when you carry the SSB/dominator combo which board bag do you use :)?
@@terryeyland5305 to be honest I haven't flown with that combo yet - just driving trips due to COVID. But for flights I have a custom board bag I got made in Bali. The Creatures of Leisure bags and DB bags are pretty solid though
Is funny how you say PU is the standard fiberglass surfboard. Fiberglass is the cloth use to glassing any surfboard, or anything you want to make water proof.
Wether is EPS/Epoxy resin or PU/Polyester resin, both use fiberglass cloth.
For sure, it’s a solid point! However having worked in a surf shop for a while for some reason along the line a lot of surfers have started using that terminology to define the two options. Really I should’ve taken the chance to clear things up, but totally forgot when filming 🤣
@@StokedForTravel Don't go too far! A Kook one time talking to me in the line up, "a kid around 17 or 19" asked me if mine was resin or epoxy. I didn't even answer. Lol!
@@Surfmus hahaha! I think the issue probbaly stems from the fact a lot of early epoxy boards for beginners (think NSP, BIC etc) are a full epoxy plastic build rather than fibreglass with epoxy resins
Buoyancy - lighter boards whether PU or EPS are more buoyant. EPS boards can be stiffer so will feel "corkier" than the same shape, weight PU board. i.e when you push on the rail it'll come back out of the water quicker because it's not bending as much as a PU board. PU has better damping (Vibration absorption) characteristics This is why EPS/Epoxy boards "chatter" on faster waves with a bit of chop on the surface compared to PU.
Regardless of the resin type PU foam will soak up water and EPS won’t cause it’s closed celled.
true, but I've found epoxy boards do tend to "flood" a bit more when dinged. Not sure if it's because a lot of them are vacuum moulded or not, but they can be a nightmare to dry out sometimes!
You mean EPS surfboards. Epoxy is just resin. You can use it on Polyurethane (PU) foam or expanded polystyrene foam (EPS) EPS must be glassed with epoxy but the performance characteristics come from the foam more than the resin.
Both "Epoxy" boards and PU use fibreglass.
Thumbs up if you're watching this video AFTER you've already bought one😂😂😂
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You're using a lot of incorrect terminology here - although for the most part the concepts are right - its possible to simplify for your audience without being misleading see below
Thanks for laying it out so nicely! 🤙
you should include a disclaimer and make people aware that you are promoting firewire.
How so? I don’t get paid to promote any brands - I just recommend based on my personal experience and research
Never liked epoxy boards, especially longboards.
Each to their own, especially with logs as a good heavy log can be beautiful to ride, although my HI4 is heaps of fun in tbhnderbolt
theyre for beginners