Being called a fabricator as a journalist is the gravest insult, especially by a colleague, and he just walked away and whined to a higher-up rather than stand his ground whilst his peers were watching. What a wretched individual Templeton was.
Its important to distinguish the difference between using an anonymous source correctly and incorrectly. In this case, Gus is uncomfortable using an anonymous source when there are plenty of people who would have gone on the record and there is no good reason to not go on the record. There are times where to protect the source from backlash, you need to keep a quote anonymous. There is also a difference between anonymously quoted in the media and known amongst the journalists. In some situations, a reporter may share the identity of a source with the editor/others within their organisation, but publicly the identity will not be published. In a lot of political situations a source will even tell a reporter, you can only identify me as a "senior figure in the administration/campaign". Just because its an anonymous source, doesn't mean it's not on the level and its important to remember that.
"First it's a little quote they clean up, then it's a whole anecdote. Pretty soon there're seeing some amazing shit. They happen to be standing on the right street corner in Tel Aviv when the pizza joint blows up and the human head rolls past with the eyes still blinking."
@@stephengrigg5988 she probably only got the job in the first place because of what was in between her legs, or the things she let in between them. Justice served if you ask me.
I love how Scott looks at the bosses as he’s walking to his desk to make sure they’ll see and hear his chair push. It’s exactly what a slimeball like Scott would do. Brilliant acting.
Favorite segment: He yelled "it's all in my notes!!". He slammed his notebook down and walks away. His colleague picks up the notebook, glances through it and says "it's empty..."
This is such a move on Gus' part. He got the Metro Editor to sign off on a clear policy ruling, and then didn't let Klebanow talk him into going into a private conference room and sharing the blame for putting the quote back in. Finally, he saw Templeton's tantrum and raised by stating his opinion calmly and clearly but loud enough that everyone heard, and then walked out. It put Klebanow in a position where he could not put the quote back in without wearing it all by himself.
Lots of ppl hate the news storyline but I found it pretty clever and insightful. It seems very frustrating to keep up with the digital age but also keep ethics.
@@sumoni I don't think people hate the news storyline because it wasn't clever or well written or anything, I think they hate it because Scott is a piece of shit that never gets his comeuppance. But that's just the kind of show The Wire is, not every hero gets an award, and not every villain gets punished, just like in real life. And that's doubly true with the newspaper storyline, since that was based on David Simon's time working on a newspaper, and Scott was based on a real guy that David Simon hated.
Scott was such an odious character. It's not only the fabricated stories, but also the arrogance, entitlement, laziness, and petulance. The way he throws a very visible tantrum so his daddy Klebanow can come running is just so cringeworthy.
@Joseph Mason McNulty is a piece of shit in a lot of ways, but he and Templeton have very little in common. McNulty is extremely smart, competent, and dedicated - much of his behaviour is driven by his obsession with the job. Templeton is a lazy, self-absorbed moron who can't even be bothered to do something as simple as calling for react quotes. God I hate that fucking character.
That subtle look over to the managing editor as Scott walked back to his desk after being creamed by Gus before slamming his chair to get his attention. Then the look on the ME’s face, knowing it’s bullshit but eager to push it forward anyway. The little details in this show are great.
All the pieces matter. There’s always one or more details hidden in the scenes of The Wire that speak volumes on the quality of its screenplay and direction.
Scott was a great liar. Every time Gus expressed his doubts about the veracity of his reporting, Scott's indignation was on point. The management saw awards as the ultimate way to 'do more with less'. It took another liar to catch Scott Templeton out.
I love that term, to catch out, I remember hearing it in a british TV drama, a female spouse in exasperation saying to her spouse, "don't try and catch me out" - you just rarely hear it used, but it's one of those euphemisms that stands the test of time.
i'd say he was a terrible liar since gus was suspicious from the jump lol. he was definitely good at faking (or maybe it was real to him) indignation tho
@@tonyameredith7081 he was found at by mcnulty because He was faking the serial killer murders but Scott was making up that serial killer called him but mcnullty didn’t say anything as it was helping his cause and would have implicated him.
This, on it's own, would actually be a great spinoff show if done on the level of The Wire. A show about the inner workings of press can be Emmy material.
@@RenegadeShepTheSpacer Holy cow! This scene, and the build-up to it, really set Gus apart in the series, he was the exact opposite of so many characters, he was incorruptible and uncompromising.
Never did we get a sense of Scott's internal life or motives beyond Pulitzer glory. I admire Gus' steadfast ethics but the newspaper plotline in this season was a bit thin. The empty notepad bit was too on the nose.
Best part of this scene is when Scott is walking back to his desk and sees Klebanow and knowing pushing the chair would bring him over to find out what happened.
They were all trying to move on to bigger and better things as well. They were bappy to go along and prefer printing lies than a rewrite. Simple enough. They all want more than their station delivers
That's how workplaces, well, work. The bosses choose a cocksucker to be their golden horse and will rise him to the top, while the true pros who have the balls to stand up when the enterprise is fucking up get either demoted or fired
Honestly that was kinda the heart of whole season, maybe the whole show. Whole generation of police and bangers making selfish choices and taking shortcuts to get ahead, doing the game dirty. Its a rough world.
The best part is showing the contrast of this with the other journalist who followed Bubble's story. He spent several sessions with Bubbles and really dug into his story. But Scott ended up winning the Pulitzer..
I saw it differently....not to go race card here but I saw Scott as an over eager mediocre (white male) reporter who desperately wanted the limelight and was willing to exploit the tales of woe in the ghetto to get a leg up...
Scott runs straight to daddy to snitch on Gus, but he doesn't even have the balls do it directly, so he throws a little tantrum so Tom will see it and come talk to him. THIS is how you write a conniving weasel character like Scott without overdoing it. This is how real-world passive-aggressive office politics work.
I hope there’s never a full length feature film of The Wire or a prequel series. Its legacy is fine as it is. No need to be like Entourage or The Sopranos.
Every season of The Wire gave us some of the best new characters. Season 2 gave us Sobotka, season 3 delivered Slim, season 4 could honestly go to any one of the kids, and finally, they gave us Gus. The Wire knew how to write their characters.
Can we appreciate how good the guy who plays Scott is? Like that face he makes as he walks over to Gus is the perfect example of "I was fully prepared to be caught out so I'm going to scrunch up my face in confusion so it looks like I'm surprised"
He’s actually a very talented director too - he’s done a few top tier movies, notably “Spotlight” which coincidentally is also about newspaper journalism. He also did the station agent, which is a totally different movie but also brilliant, and was Peter Dinklage’s breakout role
@@noimnotnice True! What's more insidious about the outlets you named, they spread disinformation just like Fox but do it with that veneer of legitimacy. Fox is cartoonish but I still read their harder news articles, same with the other alphabet outlets. They do have billions dumped into the news but you have to consume with a skeptical eye and compare info if you really care about the truth.
People say Scott never got what he deserved. But McNulty, Gus... they gave him that. If a newspaper company is run by people who tolerate such work ethics, the whole newspaper deserves to die - and if the market benefits newspaper companies like that, the whole market deserves to implode. But Scott was shown multiple times that he is despised by everyone who could be considered a real professional. He might get the prizes, but they will never let him forget that he is an impostor.
Gus played this beautifully. 1. Made sure the ME had his back before starting. 2. Refused to allow his boss to talk him into reversing the decision quietly ("let's go to my office"), forcing him to pull it back and reedit himself. 3. Was a bit loud about it to make sure everyone heard why. 4. Said goodnight and left, forcing the boss's hand if he wants to protect their pet.
I underrated season 5 like a lot of people. And now I'm realizing just how significant it's message was. Fox, CNN, MSNBC and many others, are all biased, angle spinning bullshit with an agenda. This just showed the seeds of it.
Brett Bewley exactly!!! Now it’s less about print. It’s all about ratings on these 24 hour “entertainment news” outlets. The accountability for “journalism” is out the window. They would have put Scott’s story on tv before anyone had a chance to vet
@@AlwonDomz I basically already do with Jimmy Dore and Secular talk. And for a more "official" journalism I really like Rising with Krystal Ball and Saagar Enjeti.
@@brettbewley5798 These are opinion shows, not necessarily news. They source AP and all the "alphabet outlets." They don't have money to do any real journalism. Opinion is fine. Sometimes well intentioned analysis is great to hear. I don't know about listening to Dore though, he's lazy. What's scary is that too many people think this stuff is news. Nothing is wrong with opinion but real journalism requires people on the ground and sometimes moving like a crafty detective. For instance; the Miami Sun's reporting on Epstein was great. Assange was also good at what he did, getting internal sources to leak. Greenwald did good work with Snowden. The Pandora Papers reporting was good. The majority of people never read these articles and would rather stories be delivered in short soundbites.
There is actually a deleted scene in season 5 that explains Scott's character more in depth. Him and slim Charles were friends, and he tells slim about the mcnulty confrontation. This is when slim tells him "if it's a lie. Then we fight on that lie"
Carver was so underrated Daniels was so underrated Lester was so underrated Mcnulty was so underrated Rawls was so underrated Landsman was so underrated Sydnor was so underrated Cutty was so underrated Watkins was so underrated Brother mouzone was so underrated Dr Frazier was so underrated Elena mcnulty was so underrated Donette was so underrated Mcnulty’ s sons were so underrated The camera that Marlo stole was so underrated The pit sandwich was so underrated Anyone else? I thought I saw a janitor at the courthouse who was also underrated
I never understood why people hate(d) the newspaper storyline. It was great for a change of pace/scenery and it helped tie in what McNulty was trying to do in regards to trying to catch the so called "Homeless Serial Killer". I felt the same way about Dock/Stevedore storyline. People get on a one-track theme and don't want to change lanes. 🤷🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
I was just trying to tally my most despicable characters in the whole series. Valcheck Cheese Templeton Marlo (although he was consistently sociopathic) Stringer (controversial, but he did sell Avon out after all) There's some caveats to the two guys who order brutal, torturous murder, but the other three are pure, slimy bastards.
1. Michael Steintorf (Small Role but i hated him so much) 2. Scott 3. Brianna Barksdale Notables are Namonds Mum, Herc, Levy, Cheese, Marla Daniels, Tommy Carcetti, Herc, Burrell, and even Rhonda at times.
Season 5 was so difficult. Rooting for Gus to figure out everything was fake, but at the same time not wanting anyone to find out that everything was fake once the arrests happened
David Simon said at the Sun the rule was it's no good unless you get a middle name... or maybe it was initials. But he's right, you can't make it look like it COULD be made up in a newspaper.
This entire season about the news certainly did not age well. Nowadays, it's about finding stories that fit a certain narrative and overlooking the ones which simply don't.
One of the reasons this show was SO amazing. As captivating as the street stuff was the political and social aspects were just as entertaining and insightful!
They saw the whole Brian Williams thing coming. During the Trump years it seemed like every article I read had anonymous source after anonymous source with powerful statements of outrage. It is continuing to this day. This show explains so many things.
I worked with a guy like this on Wall Street, unfortunately by the time the CFO and COO realized he was a dishonest stock broker, very good people had already lost their jobs.
Scott's a scary character. The fact that journalists don't HAVE to reveal sources does kinda mean anyone can make shit up for the headline and people will believe it.
At legitimate news organizations the anonymous sources are known to senior editors and the information is corroborated independently. That's Gus's point.
The reason why that white guy boss always has Scotts back is because he knows that newspapers are starting to fail, so he's willing to turn a blind eye to some bullshit if it means getting good stories.
Scott is the reason I fill angry at the show, because every one in it got what they deserve except him and those higher ups at the Sun. Now I know that probably, like always, they got their punishment later, maybe 5 years later, when someone spoke openly and the word got out. But I think we deserved to see something like that at the end of the show.
@@ImaginationFriend yes ofc sorry for my vague comment. The wire has a kind of absurdist outlook in what people deserve and what reality ends up giving them. For example, we see dukie fall into a life of suffering and drug addiction after being nothing but real and loving to those around him, same way we end up seeing the reporters get awards and success by being liars and backstabbers. Good people get bad things and bad people get away with it all the time, that's just life. Have a great day.
Any reporter that puts an "unnamed source" in the lead is wildly inexperienced. A half-decent editor would spike it, there would be no drama, no conflict, no discussions with another editor, none of this nonsense. The lead would be spiked and the reporter would only be asked about it if there was a chance that he or she could disclose the name of the interview. If you want to run an unnamed source there is a tried-and-true way of doing it; bury it after the first half of the story, and make sure that it doesn't sound better than the any of your named sources. Unnamed sources need to fly below the radar, it's the only way ... and even then they might still end up on the spike.
its something to me to not only get caught red-handed in a lie but to go a step further by being pissed off while know full well that you are lying is down right demonic- I couldn't do it.
This show perfectly sums up the problem with the news today. Sadly, most of the old-school editors like Gus have long since retired, and we're left with a bunch of Scotts running the show. The bosses don't care because sensationalism sells.
If you watch Gus at the beginning of the seaosn; hes more forgiving and encouraging of Scott to perhaps be more thorough with his reporting. By this point of the season, he's had enough and doesn't even pretend to hide the fact that he thinks Scott is completely full of shit.
Such a great scene. Some people didn't like season 5 of The Wire as much as other seasons but it stands up imo. Print media is in trouble financially all over the world with social media taking over. But part of the problem is their own making. People don't trust the media and they in part created this situation. People like Gus believe in doing things the right way, ethically, and build a readership through trust. Scott and the bosses don't care about how they achieve success as much. They get short term success but long term they get a bad reputation which is hard to come back from.
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Being called a fabricator as a journalist is the gravest insult, especially by a colleague, and he just walked away and whined to a higher-up rather than stand his ground whilst his peers were watching. What a wretched individual Templeton was.
Rangda Rangda I remember when Gus once said “I am not calling another reporter a liar”. A man got to have a code
As cartoonish as the killer plot was I fucking loved when Mcnulty stares him down and tells him the truth. It was hilarious.
I think being a fabricator in the media is just common place today.
Twitter made it easier for journalists to fabricate quotes from anonymous "witnesses" on scene
Templeton a duche
It's workplace conflicts like these that can turn a guy to cooking meth
harry mack u could have made it more interesting but I get what u mean
Lol it took me a minute to understand
@@harrymack5610 "nobody would of thought" And what was up with your English teacher?
And eventually ended up in Axe capital
@@harrymack5610 Are you sure about the story? BITCH!?!
I think about this scene every time i read some perfect anecdote from an unnamed source in a major news paper.
Same
I agree
Yep. This show was basically a documentary
Journalists like Scott took over and journalists like Gus are long gone
Newspapers still exist?
Its important to distinguish the difference between using an anonymous source correctly and incorrectly. In this case, Gus is uncomfortable using an anonymous source when there are plenty of people who would have gone on the record and there is no good reason to not go on the record. There are times where to protect the source from backlash, you need to keep a quote anonymous.
There is also a difference between anonymously quoted in the media and known amongst the journalists. In some situations, a reporter may share the identity of a source with the editor/others within their organisation, but publicly the identity will not be published. In a lot of political situations a source will even tell a reporter, you can only identify me as a "senior figure in the administration/campaign".
Just because its an anonymous source, doesn't mean it's not on the level and its important to remember that.
"First it's a little quote they clean up, then it's a whole anecdote. Pretty soon there're seeing some amazing shit. They happen to be standing on the right street corner in Tel Aviv when the pizza joint blows up and the human head rolls past with the eyes still blinking."
at least get the quote right...
@@12mak whats the quote
@@shamshirhussain8198 it’s pretty much what op wrote
when he won that pulitzer it felt like i got punched in the gut. then dukie became a fiend and i was wrecked.
Don't forget that Gus also got demoted
@@GordonGEICO and the talented female journalist gets the boot
If the game was fair, then it wouldn’t be the game.
@@stephengrigg5988 she probably only got the job in the first place because of what was in between her legs, or the things she let in between them.
Justice served if you ask me.
@@torachan23 what a strange comment to make about a fictional character.
Women arent very interested in you, are they?
I love how Scott looks at the bosses as he’s walking to his desk to make sure they’ll see and hear his chair push. It’s exactly what a slimeball like Scott would do. Brilliant acting.
good catch! this show always amazes me with little details I missed
Favorite segment: He yelled "it's all in my notes!!". He slammed his notebook down and walks away. His colleague picks up the notebook, glances through it and says "it's empty..."
He forgot to take notes on his criminal conspiracy.
@@scott4398criminal FUСKING conspiracy*
Maybe Scott should've tried to be the next Stephen King since he was already so good at writing fiction.
Joe McKim This comment is underrated
Nonfiction writing is different than fiction writing. I personally can't do fiction. People are too alien.
@@HeavyOrdnance I was basically implying that Scott even though he writes for a newspaper is a fiction writer.
@@HeavyOrdnance oh yeah. Bash people for having an imagination. I totally feel you.
@@ThatdudeJus What the fuck are you even talking about
This is such a move on Gus' part. He got the Metro Editor to sign off on a clear policy ruling, and then didn't let Klebanow talk him into going into a private conference room and sharing the blame for putting the quote back in. Finally, he saw Templeton's tantrum and raised by stating his opinion calmly and clearly but loud enough that everyone heard, and then walked out. It put Klebanow in a position where he could not put the quote back in without wearing it all by himself.
Lots of ppl hate the news storyline but I found it pretty clever and insightful. It seems very frustrating to keep up with the digital age but also keep ethics.
@@sumoni Plus, we all learned that you don't evacuate people :)
@@sumoni I don't think people hate the news storyline because it wasn't clever or well written or anything, I think they hate it because Scott is a piece of shit that never gets his comeuppance. But that's just the kind of show The Wire is, not every hero gets an award, and not every villain gets punished, just like in real life. And that's doubly true with the newspaper storyline, since that was based on David Simon's time working on a newspaper, and Scott was based on a real guy that David Simon hated.
top quality break down dude! you're like some kind of sophisticated sports commentator
@@will3xv well you can, but it's not what you wanna say
Scott was such an odious character. It's not only the fabricated stories, but also the arrogance, entitlement, laziness, and petulance. The way he throws a very visible tantrum so his daddy Klebanow can come running is just so cringeworthy.
Don't forget he wins an award in final compilation!!!
Scott was more hated than mass murderers, drug kingpins and sex traffickers
Wow I never noticed that, he looks right at him before hitting the chair. The intricacies in this show man. Thanks for pointing that out!
@Joseph Mason McNulty is a piece of shit in a lot of ways, but he and Templeton have very little in common. McNulty is extremely smart, competent, and dedicated - much of his behaviour is driven by his obsession with the job. Templeton is a lazy, self-absorbed moron who can't even be bothered to do something as simple as calling for react quotes. God I hate that fucking character.
@@bobigghhb3 but Namonds "mother". Although it's close
That subtle look over to the managing editor as Scott walked back to his desk after being creamed by Gus before slamming his chair to get his attention. Then the look on the ME’s face, knowing it’s bullshit but eager to push it forward anyway. The little details in this show are great.
At the Baltimore Sun, God still resides in the details.
JaziB You teach em, Spry
All the pieces matter. There’s always one or more details hidden in the scenes of The Wire that speak volumes on the quality of its screenplay and direction.
Fun fact: Gus was played by Clark Johnson, who also directed the pilot AND the finale of the series!
Yea he directed shots through security cameras which I wish the show had done more of
And Scot is played by Tom McCarthy who won the Oscar for writing Spotlight.
And was also part of David Simon's first collab with Tom Fontana NBC television series Homicide: Life on the Street.
@@StillTheVoidMeldrick. I STILL call him that when he turns up in something!!
Would’ve figured Clark was a lifelong actor. He nailed this.
Gus was the best new character of season 5
well ya, he was the main one added
Yeah he’s the only one in the press storyline that was interesting. Scott was a good character too because we all hate him
The more I rewatch the show the more certain I am gus is the best character in the whole series.
I wish he was introduced sooner in the show.
@@deansgnr Not even close.
It was in his notes Gus it was just wrote with invisible ink
Scott was a great liar. Every time Gus expressed his doubts about the veracity of his reporting, Scott's indignation was on point. The management saw awards as the ultimate way to 'do more with less'. It took another liar to catch Scott Templeton out.
I love that term, to catch out, I remember hearing it in a british TV drama, a female spouse in exasperation saying to her spouse, "don't try and catch me out" - you just rarely hear it used, but it's one of those euphemisms that stands the test of time.
i'd say he was a terrible liar since gus was suspicious from the jump lol. he was definitely good at faking (or maybe it was real to him) indignation tho
Remind me how Scott was eventually found out?
@@tonyameredith7081 he was found at by mcnulty because He was faking the serial killer murders but Scott was making up that serial killer called him but mcnullty didn’t say anything as it was helping his cause and would have implicated him.
He wasn't. he won a Pulitzer or whatever in the last closing scenes hahah@@tonyameredith7081
And 15 years later in this country, real journalism is dead, 99% Scotts, 1% Guses.
This, on it's own, would actually be a great spinoff show if done on the level of The Wire. A show about the inner workings of press can be Emmy material.
@@RenegadeShepTheSpacer Holy cow! This scene, and the build-up to it, really set Gus apart in the series, he was the exact opposite of so many characters, he was incorruptible and uncompromising.
Especially if David Simon wrote it
@@woodwyrmhe did worked at the Baltimore Sun for twelve years.
@@aaronfalzerano9432 I know
This season is really about the dying field of journalism.
"Perfect is suspect" as one editor once told me.
What editor was that? A lobster pinned to your forehead?
@@ticharribetikymo257 editors don't exist, is that your point....?
@@markjackson3531 Still upset about losing the Golden State job?
Gus might be one of my favorite characters on the show. Every time I watch these clips I get reminded how awesome he is.
His acting is truly amazing
Never did we get a sense of Scott's internal life or motives beyond Pulitzer glory. I admire Gus' steadfast ethics but the newspaper plotline in this season was a bit thin. The empty notepad bit was too on the nose.
scott and kenard are the two people i truly despise on this show
Kenard was great tho pure comedy
Steve Reilly facts. i was dying when michael beat the breaks off him
@@iamjp1 he had it coming to him , he had balls tho, he went for the bounty on omar
What about DeLonda?
@@jeffrey3425 id smash delonda
Best part of this scene is when Scott is walking back to his desk and sees Klebanow and knowing pushing the chair would bring him over to find out what happened.
I did not even catch that! What a little punk!
Never understood how Scott had so much suction with the higher-ups. It was like he was their chosen one.
They were all trying to move on to bigger and better things as well. They were bappy to go along and prefer printing lies than a rewrite. Simple enough. They all want more than their station delivers
That's how workplaces, well, work. The bosses choose a cocksucker to be their golden horse and will rise him to the top, while the true pros who have the balls to stand up when the enterprise is fucking up get either demoted or fired
The actor who played Scott won an Academy Award for writing. That film was Spotlight.
That pisses me off lol, didn’t like him
@@bashuggs1205 Tf? The man who won an Academy Award was Scott's actor, Tom McCarthy. You know Tom and Scott are different people right?
haha AND he was deb's husband in meet the parents lmao dr. Bob of Denver 🤣
@@bruceturnbull4219 he's the type of guy to hate jeoffreys actor in real life
Yikes
A lot of Scott's faking was because he was simply too lazy to do the legwork to do good journalism.
Honestly that was kinda the heart of whole season, maybe the whole show. Whole generation of police and bangers making selfish choices and taking shortcuts to get ahead, doing the game dirty. Its a rough world.
Sergeant Waters he wasn’t lazy. He wasn’t talented enough and he knew it
The best part is showing the contrast of this with the other journalist who followed Bubble's story. He spent several sessions with Bubbles and really dug into his story. But Scott ended up winning the Pulitzer..
He didn’t have what it took to be a top journo so he fabricated stories to move up the chain
I saw it differently....not to go race card here but I saw Scott as an over eager mediocre (white male) reporter who desperately wanted the limelight and was willing to exploit the tales of woe in the ghetto to get a leg up...
Scott runs straight to daddy to snitch on Gus, but he doesn't even have the balls do it directly, so he throws a little tantrum so Tom will see it and come talk to him. THIS is how you write a conniving weasel character like Scott without overdoing it. This is how real-world passive-aggressive office politics work.
This guy Scott is more creative than Spielberg
I hope there’s never a full length feature film of The Wire or a prequel series. Its legacy is fine as it is. No need to be like Entourage or The Sopranos.
agreed it’s so great it doesn’t need any prequels the theories alone make a great prequel
I agree. One thing in life that you can not fix is perfection.
But just think of what they could do nowadays with cgi and lensflare
Gus was a great character. And Clark Johnson played him perfectly
Every season of The Wire gave us some of the best new characters. Season 2 gave us Sobotka, season 3 delivered Slim, season 4 could honestly go to any one of the kids, and finally, they gave us Gus. The Wire knew how to write their characters.
Gus wasn’t that interesting to be honest. The whole journalist storyline slowed season 5 down.
Michael though.
S1 Avon, Stringer, D'Angelo, McNulty, Bunk, Omar, Rawls, Lester, Bodie, and so on
Cringe
Scott end up getting a Pulitzer! That was depressing to watch!
Disgusting.
the character was based on Jayson Blair - whom the creator of the show worked for as at a student newspaper. He eventually resigned in disgrace
@OzymandiasApk90 It's likely Scott will get caught when he ends up at another paper, and that paper is one that actually takes its sourcing seriously.
Maybe he won a Pulitzer....maybe they had to give it back.
The fact that he is actually upset like he didn’t make up the whole story 😂😂😂
Can we appreciate how good the guy who plays Scott is? Like that face he makes as he walks over to Gus is the perfect example of "I was fully prepared to be caught out so I'm going to scrunch up my face in confusion so it looks like I'm surprised"
He’s actually a very talented director too - he’s done a few top tier movies, notably “Spotlight” which coincidentally is also about newspaper journalism. He also did the station agent, which is a totally different movie but also brilliant, and was Peter Dinklage’s breakout role
Dude was wasting his talents. He could’ve made bank over at Fox with that wild literary imagination of his.
... WaPo, HuffPo, or CNN, or ABC, or MSNBC, or any other alphabet soup outlet.
@@noimnotnice True! What's more insidious about the outlets you named, they spread disinformation just like Fox but do it with that veneer of legitimacy.
Fox is cartoonish but I still read their harder news articles, same with the other alphabet outlets. They do have billions dumped into the news but you have to consume with a skeptical eye and compare info if you really care about the truth.
@KyleR Post physique, weakling.
People say Scott never got what he deserved. But McNulty, Gus... they gave him that. If a newspaper company is run by people who tolerate such work ethics, the whole newspaper deserves to die - and if the market benefits newspaper companies like that, the whole market deserves to implode.
But Scott was shown multiple times that he is despised by everyone who could be considered a real professional. He might get the prizes, but they will never let him forget that he is an impostor.
Damnit Gus you're totally missing the Dickensian aspect
Gus played this beautifully.
1. Made sure the ME had his back before starting.
2. Refused to allow his boss to talk him into reversing the decision quietly ("let's go to my office"), forcing him to pull it back and reedit himself.
3. Was a bit loud about it to make sure everyone heard why.
4. Said goodnight and left, forcing the boss's hand if he wants to protect their pet.
I underrated season 5 like a lot of people. And now I'm realizing just how significant it's message was. Fox, CNN, MSNBC and many others, are all biased, angle spinning bullshit with an agenda. This just showed the seeds of it.
Brett Bewley exactly!!! Now it’s less about print. It’s all about ratings on these 24 hour “entertainment news” outlets. The accountability for “journalism” is out the window. They would have put Scott’s story on tv before anyone had a chance to vet
people like scott are the reason the george floyd riots got as bad as they did and resulted in over 20 deaths.
Go for independent journalism
@@AlwonDomz I basically already do with Jimmy Dore and Secular talk. And for a more "official" journalism I really like Rising with Krystal Ball and Saagar Enjeti.
@@brettbewley5798 These are opinion shows, not necessarily news. They source AP and all the "alphabet outlets." They don't have money to do any real journalism. Opinion is fine. Sometimes well intentioned analysis is great to hear. I don't know about listening to Dore though, he's lazy.
What's scary is that too many people think this stuff is news. Nothing is wrong with opinion but real journalism requires people on the ground and sometimes moving like a crafty detective. For instance; the Miami Sun's reporting on Epstein was great. Assange was also good at what he did, getting internal sources to leak. Greenwald did good work with Snowden. The Pandora Papers reporting was good.
The majority of people never read these articles and would rather stories be delivered in short soundbites.
Sports Illustrated’s Peter King reminds me of Scott. Some of the words he “quotes” athletes saying are laughably fake.
You caught that too huh, 😂 definitely some bumps in the road on his mmqb posts, atleast he’s gone now
When I was a kid, I hated the newspaper story line. The older I get, the more I appreciate this.
There is actually a deleted scene in season 5 that explains Scott's character more in depth. Him and slim Charles were friends, and he tells slim about the mcnulty confrontation. This is when slim tells him "if it's a lie. Then we fight on that lie"
very allegorical
Carver was so underrated
Daniels was so underrated
Lester was so underrated
Mcnulty was so underrated
Rawls was so underrated
Landsman was so underrated
Sydnor was so underrated
Cutty was so underrated
Watkins was so underrated
Brother mouzone was so underrated
Dr Frazier was so underrated
Elena mcnulty was so underrated
Donette was so underrated
Mcnulty’ s sons were so underrated
The camera that Marlo stole was so underrated
The pit sandwich was so underrated
Anyone else? I thought I saw a janitor at the courthouse who was also underrated
The pill that Stringer Bell gorged down was underrated
You got me at first haha
Scott gets most of the flak, and rightly so, but it's ultimately the Managing Editor that grants Scott his power and insulates him from consequences.
The New York Times, Washington Post, CNN etc. is now full of Scotts.
The age old question, money or ethics?
The newspaper chose money. Almost every media institution chooses money when faced with this choice.
I never understood why people hate(d) the newspaper storyline. It was great for a change of pace/scenery and it helped tie in what McNulty was trying to do in regards to trying to catch the so called "Homeless Serial Killer".
I felt the same way about Dock/Stevedore storyline. People get on a one-track theme and don't want to change lanes. 🤷🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
I was just trying to tally my most despicable characters in the whole series.
Valcheck
Cheese
Templeton
Marlo (although he was consistently sociopathic)
Stringer (controversial, but he did sell Avon out after all)
There's some caveats to the two guys who order brutal, torturous murder, but the other three are pure, slimy bastards.
Don't forget Levy
I despised Cheese and Templeton. Herc wasn't much better.
What about Namonds mother and Kennard or Fruit?
@Connection Lost what about delonda? Tell me how she's not despicable?
1. Michael Steintorf (Small Role but i hated him so much)
2. Scott
3. Brianna Barksdale
Notables are Namonds Mum, Herc, Levy, Cheese, Marla Daniels, Tommy Carcetti, Herc, Burrell, and even Rhonda at times.
Season 5 was so difficult. Rooting for Gus to figure out everything was fake, but at the same time not wanting anyone to find out that everything was fake once the arrests happened
And in the end, only the wrong people found out that everything was fake.
@@steveg7066 Then they venerate the liars with the "true born man of the USA" scene
David Simon said at the Sun the rule was it's no good unless you get a middle name... or maybe it was initials.
But he's right, you can't make it look like it COULD be made up in a newspaper.
Yeah, especially now that there's no newspapers
Scott is easily the most hateable character on the wire and seeing as the shows filled with cold blooded murders, that's saying alot
This show was full of deplorable characters, but for some reason, Scott was one of the slimiest to me. I hated how he came out on top in the end
This entire season about the news certainly did not age well. Nowadays, it's about finding stories that fit a certain narrative and overlooking the ones which simply don't.
What are you goin' on about? That's what this was all about! Watch it again.
@@FreshTillDeath56 what?
"The bigger the lie, the more they believe", Bunk Mooreland.
Scott had some balls telling a higher up "My editor doesn't like that my story isn't researched enough."
Cuz that sure as hell could have backfired.
Funny how live goes. Gus gets thinner and lead a successful restaurant while the boss almost become his cook, almost.
One of the reasons this show was SO amazing. As captivating as the street stuff was the political and social aspects were just as entertaining and insightful!
Bruh stfu, this wasn’t deep
In a series full of horrible bastards scott was one of the worst
Season 6 of The Wire - the healthcare industry
I respect how Gus handled that
They saw the whole Brian Williams thing coming. During the Trump years it seemed like every article I read had anonymous source after anonymous source with powerful statements of outrage. It is continuing to this day. This show explains so many things.
Gus is right about most things most of the time.
Thank you that's what I needed
I worked with a guy like this on Wall Street, unfortunately by the time the CFO and COO realized he was a dishonest stock broker, very good people had already lost their jobs.
I wonder how many reporters in real life were doing this by juking coronavirus test results ?
580k people won't think there's a need to juke FACTS. FACTS are FACTS.
Scott was hired immediately by CNN after he was relieved of his duties at the Baltimore Sun.
More like Fox News likely.
@@truthblunt same shit. Different wing on the same bird.
“This f’n Scott’s more creative than Spielberg”
I don't like articles, but Gus', with the sourced editing.....supposed to be incredible.
Scott's a scary character.
The fact that journalists don't HAVE to reveal sources does kinda mean anyone can make shit up for the headline and people will believe it.
At legitimate news organizations the anonymous sources are known to senior editors and the information is corroborated independently. That's Gus's point.
Scott probably works for CNN now.
Gus!!!!!!!!
Wags!!!!!!!!
Somewhat unpopular opinion, this was probably the best season of The Wire.
Scott never had the makings of a varsity writer
The Newspaper game never changes. Only the players.
_internet becomes popular_
Newspaper Game: *fck*
The reason why that white guy boss always has Scotts back is because he knows that newspapers are starting to fail, so he's willing to turn a blind eye to some bullshit if it means getting good stories.
Scott is the reason I fill angry at the show, because every one in it got what they deserve except him and those higher ups at the Sun. Now I know that probably, like always, they got their punishment later, maybe 5 years later, when someone spoke openly and the word got out. But I think we deserved to see something like that at the end of the show.
Thats how it is in the real world. The wire was a show about real life
u missed the point
@@setescientos Can you explain? Thanks
@@ImaginationFriend yes ofc sorry for my vague comment. The wire has a kind of absurdist outlook in what people deserve and what reality ends up giving them. For example, we see dukie fall into a life of suffering and drug addiction after being nothing but real and loving to those around him, same way we end up seeing the reporters get awards and success by being liars and backstabbers. Good people get bad things and bad people get away with it all the time, that's just life. Have a great day.
I'm sure the standards aren't even close to being followed these days. Journalism ain't what it used to
Any reporter that puts an "unnamed source" in the lead is wildly inexperienced. A half-decent editor would spike it, there would be no drama, no conflict, no discussions with another editor, none of this nonsense. The lead would be spiked and the reporter would only be asked about it if there was a chance that he or she could disclose the name of the interview. If you want to run an unnamed source there is a tried-and-true way of doing it; bury it after the first half of the story, and make sure that it doesn't sound better than the any of your named sources. Unnamed sources need to fly below the radar, it's the only way ... and even then they might still end up on the spike.
I love the acting between these two. both actors are highly talented writers, Thomas Joseph McCarthy, Clark Johnson
the older i get the more i appreciate this season
Wow, a mainstream newspaper with ethics, now I KNOW this is a fictional TV show.
Great character, great actor
Washington Post and New York Times certainly learnt their craft from this show
its something to me to not only get caught red-handed in a lie but to go a step further by being pissed off while know full well that you are lying is down right demonic- I couldn't do it.
They should do an update on how social media changed journalism
Scott left the paper, took a job with a cable network, paid his dues doing the same sort of shoddy journalism and now he hosts a prime time show.
Gus would have a fucking field day at the New York Times.
Scott is typical of most "journalists" today.
This show perfectly sums up the problem with the news today. Sadly, most of the old-school editors like Gus have long since retired, and we're left with a bunch of Scotts running the show. The bosses don't care because sensationalism sells.
scott never had the makings of a varsity reporter....
They have NO standards today.
Damn Gus was another good part of season 5.
Hack, that's all im saying.
If you watch Gus at the beginning of the seaosn; hes more forgiving and encouraging of Scott to perhaps be more thorough with his reporting. By this point of the season, he's had enough and doesn't even pretend to hide the fact that he thinks Scott is completely full of shit.
Gus clearly wouldn't have fit in at CNN
Such a great scene. Some people didn't like season 5 of The Wire as much as other seasons but it stands up imo. Print media is in trouble financially all over the world with social media taking over. But part of the problem is their own making. People don't trust the media and they in part created this situation. People like Gus believe in doing things the right way, ethically, and build a readership through trust. Scott and the bosses don't care about how they achieve success as much. They get short term success but long term they get a bad reputation which is hard to come back from.
I love how the ‘more with less’ mentioned here is comparable to Stringer’s approach to drug dealing, ‘We do worse, we get paid more’.
Too many Scotts in the workplace...
He should have just written fiction lol
Gus was the Mcnulty of the paper.
Ironic, the editor has a standard. It's been a very long time since that was true of the media.
Dude that's not true. Don't let Fox News fool you, the standard of evidence for most newspapers is still pretty strong
I think I had that same JC Penny Stafford tie that Gus is wearing.