Hey, everyone! It's been...a minute. Sorry about the lack of uploads, I've had a family emergency to deal with. For the next 2 months I will have my hands full as I'm finishing up my thesis, but I will do my best to upload at least every 2 weeks. I have a lot of content to catch up to! Anyway, onto better topics: What did you think about this quest? What do you think the Abyss Order is planning and where are the twins from? 🤔
Holy shit that made way too much sense, but that means the twins left teyvat before the primordial one arrived and back then there were no humans does that make the travelers the children of a dragon perhaps nibelung that would also make sense as to why the traveler's kit kinda resembles that of the elemental dragons (credit : ashikai). Also, ya don't worry abt the uploads as a fellow college student i can understand what it feels like lol.
You know what I think about this, Blue. At least I THINK you do, lol. Was wondering where you were here and on discord. You told me to poke you there but it doesn't seem to work, lol. Anyway hope your doing well. I left you a comment here other than this one. I did NOT get a YT notification & there was nothing on your discord about this video being posted, either. Which I haven't seen happen before (no announcement on Discord from you, I mean). I let some others there know, just now, since I just found this video. Seems I'm not the only one who didn't know you posted it.
@@peterparker1262 Either that, or there are many layers to Teyvat's order, and the twins could be from the Primordial One's order, while modern Heavenly Principles' order is different from that.
I'm not a lore buff so pls don't jump me if this is silly but I had a random thought that the flowers are from the twin's blood because in legend, Nabu's blood causes flowers to grow, yes? And she was originally from the heavens as were the twins (presumably). Traveler saw the void when he looked into Nabu's eyes in that one vision, and funny enough, Klothar called the twins "the Abyss" in another vision. The twins are also very likely a kind of deity. So, theoretically--- if you were to severely injure them or even kill them (which Dain wants to potentially do to the Abyss sibling iirc) then would their divinity and heavenly origin cause inteyvats to grow? Possibly, right? Now, how does this make sense with the current timeline? I am not 100% sure I understand how Genshin's time works but from other lore videos I gleamed that pretty much everything that will happen has already happened, and this we see with the planting of the Sacred Sakura. It was always there when we arrived and as the story progressed we witnessed how it came to be by going back in time. So the flowers could be a testament to something that will inevitably happen in the future (from our perspective) but what has already happened in the past due to time travel shenanigans. While this doesn't tell us where the twins were originally from it potentially foreshadows the death of a twin. This could explain why in the end only the Traveler stood in the sea of flowers. On a side note, I noticed a thing where an "original" flower goes extinct and another flower tries to mimic it instead. Like rainbow roses. Technically they don't exist anymore. Flowers that currently hold that name are closer to lilies but look similar to the original. Same as the original Padisarahs and the flowers that exist in Teyvat currently with the same name, yet they are not the same flower. So if inteyvat only thrives in Khaenri'ah, and the inteyvat we see at the end can flourish outside of it, is it even the same flower or just a copycat? And from what I know (though I don't know everything) the erasure of the original flower is associated with the death of a god or the end of an era. Maybe I'm reaching, Maybe this is nonsense, but I said what's on my mind.
I had this theory ever since that scene after Dvalin flew away. This IS their original world before the dragon sovereigns took it. Then the PO took it and changed it. Then SWC nearly took it or did. We traveled to other worlds and time passed during this. And now, like Planet of the apes, we have finally come back. The Sea Of Flowers At The End is the Statue of Liberty moment.
@@KyzenEX yes BUT in the movie Charlton Heston has that scene where he sees the statue half buried in sand an realizes that he returned to Earth but far into the future so I was using the movie reference.
Isn't the traveller the only character ingame who can canonically use the teleport waypoints? To all the other characters they're these ancient things that just happen to be there. I too thought about the twins being from a long forgotten Teyvat far far in the past.
Indeed! I think Katheryne commented about the traveler using teleport waypoints once, but mostly everyone seems to straight up ignore them. That's a good point!
I love how you acknowledge both twins as valid Travelers! Your video made me think of a theory. What if both twins were equal in descender status up until the point where you're forced to pick one as your canon Traveler? The moment Susty traps the other sibling in her cubes is when their information gets incorporated into the Teyvat databse, sealing their fate as Abyss Sibling?
finally someone is talking about this!!! this was my first thought after playing the bedtime story quest. i left comments suggesting this theory on several lore videos covering the quest in the hopes that somebody would read it and talk about it. but nobody seemed to read them lol. maybe i’ll find my comment and post it as a reply under this one
i left this comment on a minsleif short (and a slightly different version of the same comment on several other videos lol): honestly this scene made me think that aether and lumine's original home world is............... teyvat. like, before it was destroyed and remade by the primordial one. they have light/elemental powers like the dragons from the "light realm", their world was destroyed like the original teyvat, nahida says lumine "belongs to this world", we learned that outlander and descender are not the same thing, and one of the possible descenders (nibelung) is from the original teyvat (like aether, possibly), apep says "forbidden knowledge" only shows her death and devastation and destruction (as if she is peering into the true nature of teyvat, a destroyed world, while the "world"/samsara everyone is living in now is an illusion or dream. this is also why it causes "withering" and eleazar), and khaenriah (outside of the domain of the heavenly principles) is the one place that seems totally different from the rest of teyvat (stuff won't grow there, as if the land was dead)................. when lumine mentioned coming across the sea of flowers at the end of her journey, it made me think that the reason she is doing whatever it takes to fight for "the homeland", is because she realized that teyvat is literally her homeland, reshaped after its destruction by a usurping force (the heavenly principles). she refuses to link up with aether until he finishes his journey because she wants him to learn this truth as well, see where she's coming from, and then side with her. just my theory!!
Yeah, I've thought they were from Teyvat since the start when I saw those notes from KK. Though I originally thought they were the offspring or creation of the PO I realized later that it was likely they were the children of the seelie princess and the traveler (likely the 3rd descender). I thought for a long time that the moon sisters were the creators of the dragons and the seelies and that they were there before the PO. I'm of the mindset that the seelie princess was pregnant when her race was destroyed and that the 3rd descender was the traveler who loved her. I can't make my own theory videos, so I use fan fiction as my outlet for these, lol. They have powers similar to the 3rd, they also have kits related to the dragons powers (and seelies and dragons are likely related). The unified civilization fell after or around the time the seelies and moon sisters fell. At least as far as I can tell.
The fact that Genshin Plot twist is hinting at something even more torturing for the twins... TEYVAT is not only in 3 cycles, one that once a civilization develops it is destroyed, 2 that Their is literally a TIMELOOP where we return non stop where we started and 3 the 4 cycles where we're in the khaenriah one, THE TWIST EVEN MORE IS THAT OF MEMORY ALTERATION!!!!! I always believed that they themselves don't know where their from but their programmed to believe in it their origins itself is a Lie and that their from TEYVAT
What if Inteyvats aren't native to the planet of teyvat? , what if the primordial one is originally from the same world that the twins are from, amd phanes took Inteyvats with them when they left, Then they came to an unnamed planet and created the continent of teyvat, after all both phanes and the twins had the same goal, finding a new home
Well, if so, the twins certainly have a reason to stay in Teyvat and learn more. Perhaps liberate the people of their homeland from tyranny of Second Who Came.
I think it's more likely that the Inteyvat was transfered to Khaenri'ah by whoever summoned the Twins, to make it comfortable for them. The reason the flowers die outside of it is that they shouldn't even be there.
I've had a theory about them being from some era of tevat for a long time. Im not sure HOW they fit, but ive wondered if the abyss sibling knows that is someway and thats why they dont have the willpower to change it.
I was thinking the twins were from the light realm and the true forms are some sort of draconic creature more evolved then vishaps but not as evolved as a dragon sovereign or they are the kids of Nibelung
And then there's Fatui wanting to burn the old world away, so, like, deleting the original leylines? That one is gonna be bugging me for a long time after this
I personally think that that's gotta do with Teyvat being made from the Sovereign's powers. The only Sovereign which Kit the Traveler mirrors is Neuvillette's, otherwise it is the Archon's Kits. The Archons use the Gnoses, which are Sovereign-powered, but this doesn't mean that they themselves mirror the Sovereign's "kits". Which is another thing; this only works gameplay-wise. Anemo MC's kit resembles that of Venti's, same with Geo and Electro MCs, and this "mirroring" is always reversed; MC's Skill is a weakened version of the Archon's/Neuvillette's Burst, and their Burst is a weakened version of the Archon's/Neuvillette's Skill. Dendro MC is weird in this way for some reason, as this elemental MC doesn't really copy Nahida's kit, and we haven't seen Apep's attacks (Apep's fight is against their immune system (the Guardian of Apep's Oasis)). But again, this is only gameplay-wise, as kits do not limit the in-world abilities of the characters.
@@KyzenEXtwo corrections the first is that the gnosis power doesn’t come from the sovereigns but the remains of the fourth descender , the second which can be argued is that dendro mc has a similar Burst to nahida both make a zone that can apply dendro nacidas is just bigger and better. Not only that but the shotgun blast that dendro mc does is kinda similer to nahidas skill both are projectiles that apply dendro , only difference is that dendro Mc a weaker version , the range and damage is weaker.
@@YasminAlexandraMerejoPina The Gnoses are made from the 3rd Descender's remains (the Traveler is actually the 4th), yes, but the different Elemental Powers come from fragments of each Elemental Sovereign's Authority. Have you even finished Fontaine's AQ? Also yeah, they're similar but imo DMC's Skill and Burst are really different from Nahida's, especially when compared to other Archons & Neuvillette
It makes no sense for them to be, we know who the original inhabitants of Teyvat were and we know that the flower, despite its name, isn't native to this planet. Those with sufficient access to the leylines could make a field of Inteyvat. Khaenri'ah probably made it their national flower in honor of Lumine, and the reason it petrifies outside of Khaenri'ah is because it was made artificially or they require to be "enabled" in the Irminsul ley lines for them to grow.
Actually I agree with this take first and foremost until they said that the flowers name is "inteyvat" and that flower is in full bloom wide and well at the end of Lumine's journey, when all this time they said that those flowers only bloom on their homeworld. I dunno bro but it's either a major mistake or plot hole in the developers part or it is intentional at it was really the story all along
@@tristanmanalo6252 I think it's a plot twist. Is Teyvat the original name of the planet? or the name that Phanes gave it after terraforming it for human life? Because the Dragons had no reason to call their world an 'ark'.
I still don't see any evidence here to stack against the mountain of evidence for "Twins are aliens from elsewhere". What it does say is that the Twins had advanced knowledge of the Inteyvat flower, before they came to Teyvat. So there's 2 possibilities here: (1) the Inteyvat has only ever grown in Khaenri'ah and so they must have been to Khaenri'ah before (2) the Inteyvat also used to grow elsewhere, presumably including the destroyed home world of the Twins Dain's statement that it only grows in Khaenri'ah is not an issue as (1) what does Dain know of other planets and (2) technically if the Twins home world was another planet and was destroyed then it's still true that Khaenri'ah is (now) the only place it can grow. We know there's many other Terran flowers that now grow in Teyvat and would have been introduced while the Primordial One was terraforming Teyvat. Sunflowers for example. There's also many other non-plant species from Terra. Cats and dogs for example. Human beings for example. Since the Twins come from a world that had human beings (ie them) it's reasonable to suppose it was the source of the Primordial One's Ark species. So why couldn't Inteyvat have been introduced to Teyvat at that time? (presumably it wasn't named "Inteyvat" then). The only real coincidence is that it only grows in rare conditions and it became the national flower of Khaenri'ah possibly due to it's symbolism. But that symbolism could also have applied to Terra. And the symbolism is problematic anyway. If the Inteyvat represent the way that Khaenri'ahns themselves cannot leave Khaenri'ah without becoming Cursed (brittle and undying) until they return to Khaenri'ah once more where (hypothetically) they can finally "die" properly, then this suggests Khaenri'ahn citizens out to have known about the Curse, which is also suggested in the book Perinheri, but pretty much ruled out by the confusion recorded by actual Khaenri'ahn citizens during the Cataclysm, when faced with Hilichurlification. They didn't know about the Curse. Perhaps this is MiHoyo's fault for making Inteyvat the national flower symbolically and jumping the gun a bit? or perhaps we're not meant to see Inteyvat as a metaphor for Neohumanism / Hilichurlification?
The "When your homeland returns to this world" thing is refferring to Khaenri'ah, where the sibling was considered to be the Princess/Prince, as seen in the Caribert Archon Quest, when Chlothar calls them "Princess/Prince of Khaenri'ah". In Chinese, the Abyss mage says something along the lines of: "When your kingdom once again rules". You see, Homeland is never mentioned there. Early Genshin localization did have a few issues...
It's a bit strange that Abyss mage says "your homeland/kingdom", and not "our homeland/kingdom". Because the Abyss Mage is from Khaenri'ah too, right? At least, I think that most of Abyss Order is recruited from people who suffered destruction of Khaenri'ah and want revenge.
what if the other twin created us as a puppet of them or something to defy fate and they were just always here and planted false memories of our travels and basically we were born the moment we woke up or something similar
I think you know that I have thought for a LONG time (like, from the start of the game, when I read the notes from KK), that they actually are from Teyvat. I believe they might be the result of the relationship between the 3rd descender (assuming he's the "traveler from afar") the seelie princess (those lovers were married/together 30 days and it only takes 1 time to create a child. Then the seelie could have survived to birth the twins who were raised by someone else). Which is where my fanfic is going, lol. Anyway, how have you been? Looking forward to talking to you about this in the usual place. I also strongly believe the seelies were connected to the dragons, and that all of them (the dragons, as well) were created by the moon sisters, before the PO arrived. If they were the children of a seelie = related to the dragons (their powers are similar to the dragons). If they were related to the 3rd descender (who likely loved the seelie princess resulting in the twins - they were likely raised in the unified civilization or before) then that would be why their powers mimic the 3rd descender as well.
I have something to add to this Theory. I think the Original world still exists and is DEFINITELY connected to the new teyvat. And remember Arlecchinos boss title ? Wasn’t it something like “Descender of TWO worlds” That’s right I believe Arlecchino and the twins are both from the original world. Arlecchino could be a weird hybrid from the Original world and the new world. In the book Perineheri (I know that’s not how it’s pronounced) it is said that children were forced to walk through a pitch black fire place causing them to child to be reborn. What if Arlecchino was one of these children? Omg that was a lot of Arlecchino stuff. Do you think Khaenriah is somehow from the original world? I know it was entirely build by humans but I mean the area of khaenriah. And the upside down theory. The new world is upside down but the original world is not. It’s at the other side of Teyvat and khaenriah might be the only way to get to it. Feel free to correct me and add your own thoughts guys 😊
Do you think the Abyss Twin could basically be a Loom of Fate? Now that they have gathered everything maybe they turn themselves into one to write a new reality where they can be with their twin and defeat Celestia?
So, we still don't know what exactly the Loom of Fate is, but this quest confirmed it's a device. Caribert wasn't so much the Loom as he was the consciousness that was anchored to it and controlled it during its semi-complete stage. It is finalized now and at the disposal of the Abyss Order. I assume it will probably be the twin that wields it, but they don't seem too sure about what to do with it yet, which is weird given all the trouble they went through to make it 🤔. We will probably see them using it to rewrite the rules and try to win against Celestia, though.
@@BluesLoreCrumbs That makes sense and it is interesting thinking back now about how the twin was unsure or hesitant to use the Loom of Fate. Maybe there is some kind of cost to using it? Otherwise it seems like the obvious solution for them to defeat Celestia. Can't wait for Dain to come back even more now!
@@Crysis2424 The loom seems more like an instrument of creation. To turn it into a weapon of war that can fight on the same battlefield as the Abyss Sibling takes creativity. It's not like Celestia will be defeated by just zerg rushing it with a bunch of savage beasts.
Unlike most "Twins are from Teyvat" theories this one says the Twins date from BEFORE the Primordial One created humans on Teyvat. Usually they say well the PO created humans on Teyvat then at some point the Ancient Civilization got tech advanced enough to send out space travelers (ie the twins) and they kinda forgot where they came from and don't recognize it somehow Planet of the Apes style. But this theory say no, the human race on Teyvat pre-existed the Primordial One, so either Before Sun and Moon is straight up lying, the human race developed on Teyvat twice or something happened to change the entire history of how humans came to be on Teyvat at all, (including changing all the attitudes of the ancient dragons to be anti-human as if humans were an alien species) or several of these.
What is the thing Human live did exits on Trevyat befor . Look up Honkai Impact The third Chapter 17 . There one of the Charakters Named Otto Apocalypse. Observes Trevyat . With has Modern looking Buildings along a figure what looks like raiden Ei and the Dragon witch is Confirmed to be Davlin . And even more with All the Religions Repräsentation in game Use Google and Translate Trevyat from Hebwre to Englisch you will get the Name Ark . Trevyat is Projekt Arc a last ditch Effort of the PE Flame moth to help Humanity Survive against the honkai . Here the New world Thrived but one day a Honkai incursion happend and Trevyat lost . With only a Version of Kiana Kaslana surviving this remaking Trevyat to what is it Know it is today . Thousands of years later Kevin Kaslana sends to Artifical Humans to Trevyat . The travelers
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Hey, everyone! It's been...a minute. Sorry about the lack of uploads, I've had a family emergency to deal with. For the next 2 months I will have my hands full as I'm finishing up my thesis, but I will do my best to upload at least every 2 weeks. I have a lot of content to catch up to!
Anyway, onto better topics: What did you think about this quest? What do you think the Abyss Order is planning and where are the twins from? 🤔
Holy shit that made way too much sense, but that means the twins left teyvat before the primordial one arrived and back then there were no humans does that make the travelers the children of a dragon perhaps nibelung that would also make sense as to why the traveler's kit kinda resembles that of the elemental dragons (credit : ashikai). Also, ya don't worry abt the uploads as a fellow college student i can understand what it feels like lol.
You know what I think about this, Blue.
At least I THINK you do, lol.
Was wondering where you were here and on discord.
You told me to poke you there but it doesn't seem to work, lol.
Anyway hope your doing well.
I left you a comment here other than this one.
I did NOT get a YT notification & there was nothing on your discord about this video being posted, either.
Which I haven't seen happen before (no announcement on Discord from you, I mean).
I let some others there know, just now, since I just found this video. Seems I'm not the only one who didn't know you posted it.
@@peterparker1262 Either that, or there are many layers to Teyvat's order, and the twins could be from the Primordial One's order, while modern Heavenly Principles' order is different from that.
I'm not a lore buff so pls don't jump me if this is silly but I had a random thought that the flowers are from the twin's blood because in legend, Nabu's blood causes flowers to grow, yes? And she was originally from the heavens as were the twins (presumably). Traveler saw the void when he looked into Nabu's eyes in that one vision, and funny enough, Klothar called the twins "the Abyss" in another vision. The twins are also very likely a kind of deity. So, theoretically--- if you were to severely injure them or even kill them (which Dain wants to potentially do to the Abyss sibling iirc) then would their divinity and heavenly origin cause inteyvats to grow? Possibly, right?
Now, how does this make sense with the current timeline? I am not 100% sure I understand how Genshin's time works but from other lore videos I gleamed that pretty much everything that will happen has already happened, and this we see with the planting of the Sacred Sakura. It was always there when we arrived and as the story progressed we witnessed how it came to be by going back in time. So the flowers could be a testament to something that will inevitably happen in the future (from our perspective) but what has already happened in the past due to time travel shenanigans.
While this doesn't tell us where the twins were originally from it potentially foreshadows the death of a twin. This could explain why in the end only the Traveler stood in the sea of flowers.
On a side note, I noticed a thing where an "original" flower goes extinct and another flower tries to mimic it instead. Like rainbow roses. Technically they don't exist anymore. Flowers that currently hold that name are closer to lilies but look similar to the original. Same as the original Padisarahs and the flowers that exist in Teyvat currently with the same name, yet they are not the same flower. So if inteyvat only thrives in Khaenri'ah, and the inteyvat we see at the end can flourish outside of it, is it even the same flower or just a copycat? And from what I know (though I don't know everything) the erasure of the original flower is associated with the death of a god or the end of an era.
Maybe I'm reaching, Maybe this is nonsense, but I said what's on my mind.
I had this theory ever since that scene after Dvalin flew away. This IS their original world before the dragon sovereigns took it. Then the PO took it and changed it. Then SWC nearly took it or did. We traveled to other worlds and time passed during this. And now, like Planet of the apes, we have finally come back. The Sea Of Flowers At The End is the Statue of Liberty moment.
"the Statue of Liberty" yankee ahh comment
@@KyzenEX yes BUT in the movie Charlton Heston has that scene where he sees the statue half buried in sand an realizes that he returned to Earth but far into the future so I was using the movie reference.
@@FrederickSkinner Oh I get it. Sorry, haven't seen those movies (not my type of movie tbh)
Isn't the traveller the only character ingame who can canonically use the teleport waypoints? To all the other characters they're these ancient things that just happen to be there. I too thought about the twins being from a long forgotten Teyvat far far in the past.
Indeed! I think Katheryne commented about the traveler using teleport waypoints once, but mostly everyone seems to straight up ignore them. That's a good point!
I love how you acknowledge both twins as valid Travelers!
Your video made me think of a theory. What if both twins were equal in descender status up until the point where you're forced to pick one as your canon Traveler? The moment Susty traps the other sibling in her cubes is when their information gets incorporated into the Teyvat databse, sealing their fate as Abyss Sibling?
earth looked different 10 billion years ago.
The twins left planet billion years ago would not recognise planet now
If somebody from 1000 years ago were to come to present-day world, they would have a hard time recognizing it either.
"Flowers don't care about politics" -Blue, 2024
Am I wrong, though? xD
@@BluesLoreCrumbs Meanwhile Ents in LoTR...
finally someone is talking about this!!! this was my first thought after playing the bedtime story quest. i left comments suggesting this theory on several lore videos covering the quest in the hopes that somebody would read it and talk about it. but nobody seemed to read them lol. maybe i’ll find my comment and post it as a reply under this one
i left this comment on a minsleif short (and a slightly different version of the same comment on several other videos lol):
honestly this scene made me think that aether and lumine's original home world is............... teyvat. like, before it was destroyed and remade by the primordial one. they have light/elemental powers like the dragons from the "light realm", their world was destroyed like the original teyvat, nahida says lumine "belongs to this world", we learned that outlander and descender are not the same thing, and one of the possible descenders (nibelung) is from the original teyvat (like aether, possibly), apep says "forbidden knowledge" only shows her death and devastation and destruction (as if she is peering into the true nature of teyvat, a destroyed world, while the "world"/samsara everyone is living in now is an illusion or dream. this is also why it causes "withering" and eleazar), and khaenriah (outside of the domain of the heavenly principles) is the one place that seems totally different from the rest of teyvat (stuff won't grow there, as if the land was dead)................. when lumine mentioned coming across the sea of flowers at the end of her journey, it made me think that the reason she is doing whatever it takes to fight for "the homeland", is because she realized that teyvat is literally her homeland, reshaped after its destruction by a usurping force (the heavenly principles). she refuses to link up with aether until he finishes his journey because she wants him to learn this truth as well, see where she's coming from, and then side with her. just my theory!!
Yeah, I've thought they were from Teyvat since the start when I saw those notes from KK.
Though I originally thought they were the offspring or creation of the PO I realized later that it was likely they were the children of the seelie princess and the traveler (likely the 3rd descender).
I thought for a long time that the moon sisters were the creators of the dragons and the seelies and that they were there before the PO.
I'm of the mindset that the seelie princess was pregnant when her race was destroyed and that the 3rd descender was the traveler who loved her.
I can't make my own theory videos, so I use fan fiction as my outlet for these, lol.
They have powers similar to the 3rd, they also have kits related to the dragons powers (and seelies and dragons are likely related).
The unified civilization fell after or around the time the seelies and moon sisters fell. At least as far as I can tell.
The fact that Genshin Plot twist is hinting at something even more torturing for the twins... TEYVAT is not only in 3 cycles, one that once a civilization develops it is destroyed, 2 that Their is literally a TIMELOOP where we return non stop where we started and 3 the 4 cycles where we're in the khaenriah one, THE TWIST EVEN MORE IS THAT OF MEMORY ALTERATION!!!!! I always believed that they themselves don't know where their from but their programmed to believe in it their origins itself is a Lie and that their from TEYVAT
What if Inteyvats aren't native to the planet of teyvat? , what if the primordial one is originally from the same world that the twins are from, amd phanes took Inteyvats with them when they left,
Then they came to an unnamed planet and created the continent of teyvat, after all both phanes and the twins had the same goal, finding a new home
Well, if so, the twins certainly have a reason to stay in Teyvat and learn more. Perhaps liberate the people of their homeland from tyranny of Second Who Came.
I think it's more likely that the Inteyvat was transfered to Khaenri'ah by whoever summoned the Twins, to make it comfortable for them. The reason the flowers die outside of it is that they shouldn't even be there.
I think they have a connection to the SOHP, Primordial One, Third Descenders or even Nilbelung
I've had a theory about them being from some era of tevat for a long time. Im not sure HOW they fit, but ive wondered if the abyss sibling knows that is someway and thats why they dont have the willpower to change it.
I was thinking the twins were from the light realm and the true forms are some sort of draconic creature more evolved then vishaps but not as evolved as a dragon sovereign or they are the kids of Nibelung
And then there's Fatui wanting to burn the old world away, so, like, deleting the original leylines? That one is gonna be bugging me for a long time after this
Let's add in fact MC Twins abilities mirror the 7 dragons.👀🐉
I personally think that that's gotta do with Teyvat being made from the Sovereign's powers.
The only Sovereign which Kit the Traveler mirrors is Neuvillette's, otherwise it is the Archon's Kits. The Archons use the Gnoses, which are Sovereign-powered, but this doesn't mean that they themselves mirror the Sovereign's "kits". Which is another thing; this only works gameplay-wise.
Anemo MC's kit resembles that of Venti's, same with Geo and Electro MCs, and this "mirroring" is always reversed; MC's Skill is a weakened version of the Archon's/Neuvillette's Burst, and their Burst is a weakened version of the Archon's/Neuvillette's Skill. Dendro MC is weird in this way for some reason, as this elemental MC doesn't really copy Nahida's kit, and we haven't seen Apep's attacks (Apep's fight is against their immune system (the Guardian of Apep's Oasis)). But again, this is only gameplay-wise, as kits do not limit the in-world abilities of the characters.
@@KyzenEXtwo corrections the first is that the gnosis power doesn’t come from the sovereigns but the remains of the fourth descender , the second which can be argued is that dendro mc has a similar Burst to nahida both make a zone that can apply dendro nacidas is just bigger and better. Not only that but the shotgun blast that dendro mc does is kinda similer to nahidas skill both are projectiles that apply dendro , only difference is that dendro Mc a weaker version , the range and damage is weaker.
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One correction, the traveler is the fourth decender, Gnoses are made from the third decender
@@YasminAlexandraMerejoPina The Gnoses are made from the 3rd Descender's remains (the Traveler is actually the 4th), yes, but the different Elemental Powers come from fragments of each Elemental Sovereign's Authority. Have you even finished Fontaine's AQ?
Also yeah, they're similar but imo DMC's Skill and Burst are really different from Nahida's, especially when compared to other Archons & Neuvillette
It makes no sense for them to be, we know who the original inhabitants of Teyvat were and we know that the flower, despite its name, isn't native to this planet.
Those with sufficient access to the leylines could make a field of Inteyvat. Khaenri'ah probably made it their national flower in honor of Lumine, and the reason it petrifies outside of Khaenri'ah is because it was made artificially or they require to be "enabled" in the Irminsul ley lines for them to grow.
Actually I agree with this take first and foremost until they said that the flowers name is "inteyvat" and that flower is in full bloom wide and well at the end of Lumine's journey, when all this time they said that those flowers only bloom on their homeworld.
I dunno bro but it's either a major mistake or plot hole in the developers part or it is intentional at it was really the story all along
@@tristanmanalo6252 I think it's a plot twist. Is Teyvat the original name of the planet? or the name that Phanes gave it after terraforming it for human life?
Because the Dragons had no reason to call their world an 'ark'.
@@VeraldoAncodini Unless, of course, Dragons were ancient magitech terraforming machines, who were preparing Teyvat for an interstellar journey.
@@kotarouinugami1745well the ancient magitech thing is true👀
@@ZetaMoolah the ancient dragon civilization in Natlan certainly looks quite ancient and magitech'y. I am looking forward to learning more about it.
I still don't see any evidence here to stack against the mountain of evidence for "Twins are aliens from elsewhere".
What it does say is that the Twins had advanced knowledge of the Inteyvat flower, before they came to Teyvat.
So there's 2 possibilities here:
(1) the Inteyvat has only ever grown in Khaenri'ah and so they must have been to Khaenri'ah before
(2) the Inteyvat also used to grow elsewhere, presumably including the destroyed home world of the Twins
Dain's statement that it only grows in Khaenri'ah is not an issue as (1) what does Dain know of other planets and (2) technically if the Twins home world was another planet and was destroyed then it's still true that Khaenri'ah is (now) the only place it can grow.
We know there's many other Terran flowers that now grow in Teyvat and would have been introduced while the Primordial One was terraforming Teyvat. Sunflowers for example. There's also many other non-plant species from Terra. Cats and dogs for example. Human beings for example. Since the Twins come from a world that had human beings (ie them) it's reasonable to suppose it was the source of the Primordial One's Ark species. So why couldn't Inteyvat have been introduced to Teyvat at that time? (presumably it wasn't named "Inteyvat" then).
The only real coincidence is that it only grows in rare conditions and it became the national flower of Khaenri'ah possibly due to it's symbolism. But that symbolism could also have applied to Terra. And the symbolism is problematic anyway. If the Inteyvat represent the way that Khaenri'ahns themselves cannot leave Khaenri'ah without becoming Cursed (brittle and undying) until they return to Khaenri'ah once more where (hypothetically) they can finally "die" properly, then this suggests Khaenri'ahn citizens out to have known about the Curse, which is also suggested in the book Perinheri, but pretty much ruled out by the confusion recorded by actual Khaenri'ahn citizens during the Cataclysm, when faced with Hilichurlification.
They didn't know about the Curse.
Perhaps this is MiHoyo's fault for making Inteyvat the national flower symbolically and jumping the gun a bit? or perhaps we're not meant to see Inteyvat as a metaphor for Neohumanism / Hilichurlification?
The "When your homeland returns to this world" thing is refferring to Khaenri'ah, where the sibling was considered to be the Princess/Prince, as seen in the Caribert Archon Quest, when Chlothar calls them "Princess/Prince of Khaenri'ah".
In Chinese, the Abyss mage says something along the lines of: "When your kingdom once again rules". You see, Homeland is never mentioned there. Early Genshin localization did have a few issues...
It's a bit strange that Abyss mage says "your homeland/kingdom", and not "our homeland/kingdom". Because the Abyss Mage is from Khaenri'ah too, right?
At least, I think that most of Abyss Order is recruited from people who suffered destruction of Khaenri'ah and want revenge.
I hope in the end there will be choice, i want to stay with the harem i created and i cant leave paimon 😭💙 without me she cant survive
“HA! You though" Hoyo, probably - man my heart hurts but it made me laugh so fucking hard I can't tell you, they're monsters fr
Hoyo is run by sadists 🥲, they are just toying with us at this point.
This theory makes so much sense!! :o
this makes it makes sense
what if the other twin created us as a puppet of them or something to defy fate and they were just always here and planted false memories of our travels and basically we were born the moment we woke up or something similar
I think you know that I have thought for a LONG time (like, from the start of the game, when I read the notes from KK), that they actually are from Teyvat.
I believe they might be the result of the relationship between the 3rd descender (assuming he's the "traveler from afar") the seelie princess (those lovers were married/together 30 days and it only takes 1 time to create a child. Then the seelie could have survived to birth the twins who were raised by someone else).
Which is where my fanfic is going, lol.
Anyway, how have you been? Looking forward to talking to you about this in the usual place.
I also strongly believe the seelies were connected to the dragons, and that all of them (the dragons, as well) were created by the moon sisters, before the PO arrived.
If they were the children of a seelie = related to the dragons (their powers are similar to the dragons).
If they were related to the 3rd descender (who likely loved the seelie princess resulting in the twins - they were likely raised in the unified civilization or before) then that would be why their powers mimic the 3rd descender as well.
It was well known they are not from this world long ago and well enough
Great take on interpretation though
I'm probably seeing the cutscene for the first time from lumine trying to find aether "the way that is the wrong way" jk
I have something to add to this Theory. I think the Original world still exists and is DEFINITELY connected to the new teyvat. And remember Arlecchinos boss title ? Wasn’t it something like “Descender of TWO worlds” That’s right I believe Arlecchino and the twins are both from the original world. Arlecchino could be a weird hybrid from the Original world and the new world. In the book Perineheri (I know that’s not how it’s pronounced) it is said that children were forced to walk through a pitch black fire place causing them to child to be reborn. What if Arlecchino was one of these children? Omg that was a lot of Arlecchino stuff. Do you think Khaenriah is somehow from the original world? I know it was entirely build by humans but I mean the area of khaenriah. And the upside down theory. The new world is upside down but the original world is not. It’s at the other side of Teyvat and khaenriah might be the only way to get to it.
Feel free to correct me and add your own thoughts guys 😊
Nahida already confirmed the sister (if you play either) she comes from teyvat
What else do you want?
Do you think the Abyss Twin could basically be a Loom of Fate? Now that they have gathered everything maybe they turn themselves into one to write a new reality where they can be with their twin and defeat Celestia?
So, we still don't know what exactly the Loom of Fate is, but this quest confirmed it's a device. Caribert wasn't so much the Loom as he was the consciousness that was anchored to it and controlled it during its semi-complete stage. It is finalized now and at the disposal of the Abyss Order. I assume it will probably be the twin that wields it, but they don't seem too sure about what to do with it yet, which is weird given all the trouble they went through to make it 🤔. We will probably see them using it to rewrite the rules and try to win against Celestia, though.
@@BluesLoreCrumbs That makes sense and it is interesting thinking back now about how the twin was unsure or hesitant to use the Loom of Fate. Maybe there is some kind of cost to using it? Otherwise it seems like the obvious solution for them to defeat Celestia. Can't wait for Dain to come back even more now!
@@Crysis2424 The loom seems more like an instrument of creation. To turn it into a weapon of war that can fight on the same battlefield as the Abyss Sibling takes creativity.
It's not like Celestia will be defeated by just zerg rushing it with a bunch of savage beasts.
Unlike most "Twins are from Teyvat" theories this one says the Twins date from BEFORE the Primordial One created humans on Teyvat. Usually they say well the PO created humans on Teyvat then at some point the Ancient Civilization got tech advanced enough to send out space travelers (ie the twins) and they kinda forgot where they came from and don't recognize it somehow Planet of the Apes style.
But this theory say no, the human race on Teyvat pre-existed the Primordial One, so either Before Sun and Moon is straight up lying, the human race developed on Teyvat twice or something happened to change the entire history of how humans came to be on Teyvat at all, (including changing all the attitudes of the ancient dragons to be anti-human as if humans were an alien species) or several of these.
Now that I think of it, dragons don't particularly hate humans. Except when poisoned by the Abyss. They seem to hate gods much more.
What is the thing Human live did exits on Trevyat befor . Look up Honkai Impact The third Chapter 17 . There one of the Charakters Named Otto Apocalypse. Observes Trevyat . With has Modern looking Buildings along a figure what looks like raiden Ei and the Dragon witch is Confirmed to be Davlin .
And even more with All the Religions Repräsentation in game Use Google and Translate Trevyat from Hebwre to Englisch you will get the Name Ark . Trevyat is Projekt Arc a last ditch Effort of the PE Flame moth to help Humanity Survive against the honkai . Here the New world Thrived but one day a Honkai incursion happend and Trevyat lost . With only a Version of Kiana Kaslana surviving this remaking Trevyat to what is it Know it is today . Thousands of years later Kevin Kaslana sends to Artifical Humans to Trevyat . The travelers
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