Who else found it ironic that the first gentleman chided the coast guard for its response in search and rescue operations while at the same time enjoying the freedom of operating in international waters in order to avoid coast guard mandated certifications of their experimental submersible?
The idea that an employee or contractor may not legally be allowed to inform the Board of Directors about information concerning the company they are in charge of is appalling
Adrenaline rush? Stockton brilliant? They keep comparing it to jumping out of aircraft. Airforces inspect each parachute fold in a dry room but some private operators stick it back in the bag wet. One is a risk with a low to zero outcome of death and the other is risk with a much higher chance of death. This whole thing equates to jumping out of an airplane with a parachute made of cheap cling wrap which may have holes and an iffy cheap rope tied around your waist. It might work once or twice but is bound to fail. The comparisons SR sold are nonsensical. SR was not brilliant, Not brave. Just dumb and greedy and guilty of negligent homicide.
A director describing themselves as cowboys in a non ironic way when an independent contractor is raising concerns over the handling of safety is absolutely WILD
It's so clear Oceangate went into this project knowing people would probably die at some point. There's nothing wrong with wanting to innovate and push forward the frontier on discovery, but there's no need to reinvent the wheel. Regulations exist for a reason.
I can barely get through 20 min at a time listening to this crazy chaos! No forwarding thinking or planning. The dome broke off bolts that sounded like gunshots-and this man got in for another ride?? Hold My B$$R mentality.
The tourist guy knows NOTHING, but he's so pleased with himself as though he was in the know. Extremely smug. Ick. Very dangerous. His role and his smugness about being a quasi "guy on the team", could have put every subsequent tourist in danger. And he thinks this is like parachuting out of an airplane? What a minimizer: no comparison at all. Jumping out of a plane involves known risks with statistics accumulated over millions of parachute drops. It requires skill and active lessons. This guy's training was "webinars". I would not want to be in a sub of any size with someone who was a pseudo member of the "team".
They only called them that because it is illegal to take passengers on unclassified experimental submersibles, so they made up the term to avoid legal repercussions in case someone died on a dive
I was as astounded as everyone else during the tragedy and assumed end result much earlier than was confirmed. I am a scientist, have a huge involvement with safety, and explained to many others my speculations about the event. However, hearing from the witnesses, I think we all have to understand that scientific and regulated “safety” was not what these passengers or “mission specialists” were adhering to. This was not a research mission. This was an experimental, dangerous, adrenaline-filled adventure to those signed on, which most of us I think would call reckless. This does not excuse anything that happened, but as someone who lives and dies by standards, I thought there was an interesting and enlightening point of view from those who think differently and accepted all of these dangers and quirks and I very much respect them for it. I have a lot less judgement for the situation (not any less sadness or shock) and there has been a great amount of clarification; we are all so different and experience things different ways and we ALL have experiences where we didn’t quite cling to rules-this is an extreme but still I understand so much more satisfactorily than the silence and speculation we were left with last year.
Ms. Wilby is by far the best witness! No obfuscation - just direct and honest reporting of what she experienced in this rotten ego-driven organization.
The last person to testify today, Ms. Wilby, is the best witness so far. Open, honest, smart, and shared numerous and compelling details about the way things worked onboard and during dives. Great job, young lady.
As a former industrial safety specialist, I made a longer comment but it's been shadow-banned... First witness (a professional engineer??) testimony amounts to criminality.
Me too. They were married for over 25 years. She heard her husband explode underwater. I wonder if Stockton was fooling around with some of his employees.
Rich, ignorant, entitled people given power over the experts leads to disaster. This case is a beautiful methafor for Libertarians and other "de-regulation" freaks and teaches you why due dilligence and precaution exists.
I wonder if a layer of nested carbon nanotubes impregnated under vacuum and wound with filler fibers would hold up much better to the shearing stresses. Yes, I know that the dissimilar material coefficient of expansion difference would remain. But wouldn't the nanotubes reinforce the fibers against shear? 7:22
He's Apart from claiming memory lost due to age, notwithstanding that he's in his mid 60s. This guy doesn't seem to accept that the Titan and crew were lost in microseconds. His time on the stand was extremely brief and provided very little. He seems to have a personality very similar to Stockton Rush III.
He was an excellent salesman. His answers pretty much had zero to do with the incident, and no insight into the sub that was lost, he was a non technical person.
@@omg1tsGriff I have a bridge to sell you! A man who saw the previous sub in 2019 for a few hours. He knew nothing of Ocean Gate systems, knew nothing of the sub, never saw it. He was an accomplished and polished salesman! K knew that Class standards exist but nothing of the actual standards. Elon will give him a job
"Did you have to show them proof of that physical?" Anyone else notice how he hesitated to answer that question and then proceeded to use the excuse that he is getting old and has a bad memory? He was quick to answer all the other questions but somehow he doesn't remember that part. Telltale sign of a liar.
So it seems like the hull was a paper mache idea with a material that has poor compressive strength for the planned sea depth. The glue was not a common sea water nor parking lot weather exposure tested material. Other than that, it was fine! I’m a medical person. This is appalling.
Carbon fiber is incredibly strong, but in tension, not compression like a sub would need. Think a piece of string, you can pull it quite hard but as soon as you push it, it instantly gives way. Stockton in all his "genius" thought if it works for a plane, it'll work for a sub, when in reality they are completely opposite environments.
It's a hearing, not a court of law trying a case. P.S. the rectangular button above the Shift keep is called CAPS LOCK. Try tapping that once, that will help you out.
Who else found it ironic that the first gentleman chided the coast guard for its response in search and rescue operations while at the same time enjoying the freedom of operating in international waters in order to avoid coast guard mandated certifications of their experimental submersible?
The penultimate guest, from Triton systems was great. Set a great standard!
He was incredible! And very knowledgeable about the process…and imagine - he has a submersible that goes to 11k meters that’s classified!!
The idea that an employee or contractor may not legally be allowed to inform the Board of Directors about information concerning the company they are in charge of is appalling
Adrenaline rush? Stockton brilliant?
They keep comparing it to jumping out of aircraft.
Airforces inspect each parachute fold in a dry room but some private operators stick it back in the bag wet.
One is a risk with a low to zero outcome of death and the other is risk with a much higher chance of death.
This whole thing equates to jumping out of an airplane with a parachute made of cheap cling wrap which may have holes and an iffy cheap rope tied around your waist. It might work once or twice but is bound to fail.
The comparisons SR sold are nonsensical. SR was not brilliant, Not brave. Just dumb and greedy and guilty of negligent homicide.
A director describing themselves as cowboys in a non ironic way when an independent contractor is raising concerns over the handling of safety is absolutely WILD
It's so clear Oceangate went into this project knowing people would probably die at some point. There's nothing wrong with wanting to innovate and push forward the frontier on discovery, but there's no need to reinvent the wheel. Regulations exist for a reason.
"I am not qualified at all in the construction of marine equipment"
"I tightened the bolts on the domes"
My head is already in my hands.
I can barely get through 20 min at a time listening to this crazy chaos! No forwarding thinking or planning. The dome broke off bolts that sounded like gunshots-and this man got in for another ride?? Hold My B$$R mentality.
Well, oh course. It wasn't supposed to be safe 😂
....and he compared himself to SpaceX. What a joker
Oceangate lawyer, "we never recieved that letter", "We never heard any crew member, sub pilot, or design engineer voice their concerns" .... ya right
Never “heard”. Because it was tuned out.
"It was obviously a very robust structure, it was just the connecting joint which severed."
Yikes.
The tourist guy knows NOTHING, but he's so pleased with himself as though he was in the know. Extremely smug. Ick. Very dangerous. His role and his smugness about being a quasi "guy on the team", could have put every subsequent tourist in danger. And he thinks this is like parachuting out of an airplane? What a minimizer: no comparison at all. Jumping out of a plane involves known risks with statistics accumulated over millions of parachute drops. It requires skill and active lessons. This guy's training was "webinars". I would not want to be in a sub of any size with someone who was a pseudo member of the "team".
The "mission specialists" are so deluded. Really, bizzare thinking.
glorified passengers
They only called them that because it is illegal to take passengers on unclassified experimental submersibles, so they made up the term to avoid legal repercussions in case someone died on a dive
I was as astounded as everyone else during the tragedy and assumed end result much earlier than was confirmed. I am a scientist, have a huge involvement with safety, and explained to many others my speculations about the event. However, hearing from the witnesses, I think we all have to understand that scientific and regulated “safety” was not what these passengers or “mission specialists” were adhering to. This was not a research mission. This was an experimental, dangerous, adrenaline-filled adventure to those signed on, which most of us I think would call reckless. This does not excuse anything that happened, but as someone who lives and dies by standards, I thought there was an interesting and enlightening point of view from those who think differently and accepted all of these dangers and quirks and I very much respect them for it. I have a lot less judgement for the situation (not any less sadness or shock) and there has been a great amount of clarification; we are all so different and experience things different ways and we ALL have experiences where we didn’t quite cling to rules-this is an extreme but still I understand so much more satisfactorily than the silence and speculation we were left with last year.
@@HeatherwithanH Thanks, This was a ponzi scam funded by as was described "high wealth" individuals
@@HeatherwithanH - Correct.
Ms. Wilby is by far the best witness! No obfuscation - just direct and honest reporting of what she experienced in this rotten ego-driven organization.
lol that lady at the end is the LAST person as a navigator.
The last person to testify today, Ms. Wilby, is the best witness so far. Open, honest, smart, and shared numerous and compelling details about the way things worked onboard and during dives. Great job, young lady.
Dr. Wilby.
David Lochridge was the best, IMO.
she seems emotional and might have been written off as a hysteric by the crew, despite ultimately being correct.
The software was so poorly put together that one could accidentally drag out the titanic and loose reference? YIKES
simp
“We really should weld these bumpers (sub) but that takes time, equipment…. Money. So! We use super super glue instead “
Impeccable reference!
Ha ha I don't get this reference
Every day of my childhood 😂 what a classic. Thank you for this
Watch Matilda (1996)
As a former industrial safety specialist, I made a longer comment but it's been shadow-banned... First witness (a professional engineer??) testimony amounts to criminality.
I want to hear from Wendy Rush.
I don't think you'll see her, She'll probably be surrounded by layers of lawyers.
Me too. They were married for over 25 years. She heard her husband explode underwater. I wonder if Stockton was fooling around with some of his employees.
We will never
Rich, ignorant, entitled people given power over the experts leads to disaster. This case is a beautiful methafor for Libertarians and other "de-regulation" freaks and teaches you why due dilligence and precaution exists.
Best comment so far! Exactly Stockton,s profile. Hope they take his equally responsible wife to the cleaners
"Mission Specialists" were passengers. I think that can be stipulated.
The first guy sounds like he’s being payed off or their number one fan
That first witness was a real fan
I deadass saw a commercial for Oceangate before. It was for the titanic exhibition.. so weird.
So much gaslighting...
Can we all agree if "Camping World " is on the Bill Of Materials....um maybe? PASS!!
Objective to make money in an experimental adventure at the cost of safety and with limitec scientific knowledge has lead to this outcome🙁🙄
I wonder if a layer of nested carbon nanotubes impregnated under vacuum and wound with filler fibers would hold up much better to the shearing stresses. Yes, I know that the dissimilar material coefficient of expansion difference would remain. But wouldn't the nanotubes reinforce the fibers against shear?
7:22
He's Apart from claiming memory lost due to age, notwithstanding that he's in his mid 60s. This guy doesn't seem to accept that the Titan and crew were lost in microseconds. His time on the stand was extremely brief and provided very little. He seems to have a personality very similar to Stockton Rush III.
You will see in one of my comments on this disaster about the thickness of the flanges and the size of the bolts holding the domes onto the hull.
The Triton questions and answers said it all...
I'm watching his testimony right now and that is the representation of "this is how it should be done"
He was an excellent salesman. His answers pretty much had zero to do with the incident, and no insight into the sub that was lost, he was a non technical person.
@@benwilson6145 He was detailing industry standards for safety. If you think he was selling you're far too cynical to be on the internet.
@@omg1tsGriff I have a bridge to sell you! A man who saw the previous sub in 2019 for a few hours. He knew nothing of Ocean Gate systems, knew nothing of the sub, never saw it. He was an accomplished and polished salesman! K knew that Class standards exist but nothing of the actual standards.
Elon will give him a job
@@benwilson6145 Ok bud.
"Did you have to show them proof of that physical?"
Anyone else notice how he hesitated to answer that question and then proceeded to use the excuse that he is getting old and has a bad memory? He was quick to answer all the other questions but somehow he doesn't remember that part. Telltale sign of a liar.
I wouldn't mind a few minutes to eat but this seems pretty important
Scottie would have recommended transparent aluminum over carbon fiber. Beam me up…
Why don’t I trust this guy at all? Oof.
So it seems like the hull was a paper mache idea with a material that has poor compressive strength for the planned sea depth. The glue was not a common sea water nor parking lot weather exposure tested material. Other than that, it was fine! I’m a medical person. This is appalling.
Carbon fiber is incredibly strong, but in tension, not compression like a sub would need. Think a piece of string, you can pull it quite hard but as soon as you push it, it instantly gives way. Stockton in all his "genius" thought if it works for a plane, it'll work for a sub, when in reality they are completely opposite environments.
Hello. I think it is just that Stockton rush got crush. Haa haa
Fred seems he is at the twilight years has more money than he should and seems to be looking for ways to burn it before leaving it to his family.
First guy was delulu. A learning moment? But for the government? Lol. Praised Elon Musk of all people 😂
Are you just rebroadcasting a livestream that is already on youtube without adding anything to it? Not even a link to the USCG channel?
Typically videos created by federal agencies are public domain and AP also may have contacted them and secured rights if not.
THIS IS KANGAROO COURT
It's a hearing, not a court of law trying a case.
P.S. the rectangular button above the Shift keep is called CAPS LOCK. Try tapping that once, that will help you out.
@@carrite its a joke
@@nuguns3766 - It escapes me.
@@carrite the atmosphere is suffocating, so I wanna make fun of it to loosen up.
32:02 😐
the pipe weights were released by rocking the titan back and forth.