Programming ESCs for R/C Rock Crawlers
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- Anyone can pull a speed control out of the box, install it in a rig and go out for a crawl. But don't you want to get the best out of that fancy new electronic box? Afterall you just spent money on it. Why not get the most out of your ESC. In this video John Holmes goes over how to program your electronic speed control for those who want the best low speed control from their RC Rock Crawler. John shows you how to set it up on his Traxxas TRX-4.
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I'm happy with your clear information, thank you John!
Ive seen this setup in person. Its very impressive. On my list of upgrades for sure.
Thank you for making the RC community a better place man... both through your products... and your advice.
Thanks John, I bought this setup and LOVE IT! The control and torque is absolutely awesome and this video was helpful. I don't have the castle link yet, but will certainly get it now that you showed us how to tune with it. Thanks again, will be ordering another SW4 and revolver soon.
Hey thank you John you are extremely educated and changing crawling to new levels this hobby has never seen I learned alot this vid thanks again for all you do for us and this hobby we all love...😎
Running your revolver 1800kv I love it esp when I hooked up the castle system also your very correct on radio making a difference I went from Traxxas to a spektrum and it’s way smoother Thanks you make some great products...
Thanks for clearing up the programming of the esc and of the brushless 2 slot and 4 slot motors.
Glad it helped you out
This was maybe THE best video on explaining this. I had to try to figure these things out for myself since the Castle B-link totally f***ed up my setup, I couldn't get the b-link to program the mamba x the way I set up in the app.
So therefore I had to buy a castle link, and this video helped me getting the ground settings pretty good.
Thanks, John! :)
I can really appreciate the time you put into producing this video. Great job guys!
Thanks! I try to make them informative and pertinent.
Have to save this vid for later reference. It's like you know my problems now if these vids were 10 years old. LOL. Your level of knowledge in all things great is impressive.
Thanks!
Almost two years later...And I find this to still be an excellent commentary on ESC settings. Thank you John.
Nothing has changed... Castle hasn’t released a production firmware update for the mamba x in over 3 years. The beta build is getting close to 2 years.
Thanks for the review man!
Thank you very much Sir! Absolutely fascinating. You have a great way of explaining very technical concepts so that I/we can understand them. I'll feel much more confident when programming my esc's. I've watched and read a lot about programming escs, but you have helped me reach a new level of knowledge. Still, so much more to learn, which you never stop doing, Am I right? Fantastic Video!!
Man, every time I watch a Holmes video I learn something. Now, if John can just figure out how to seal that Revolver, so I can run it through mud without worries, it would be an epic game changing motor design.
THANK YOU John Holmes!!!!!!!!
Like the video. I recently got a holmes hobbies trailmaster pro 3300kv. I run it on a mamba max pro sensored and it didnt have good low speed control. Most of my settings were similar to yours but a few I am going to change. Other than that the trailmaster pro is a good motor I just wanted slower smoother start up with it. Love the videos john I hope you put more out soon!!!
Good video Mr. Holmes.
Thank you for this vid , love your products just what I need it
Great video as usual John! I’ve got one of your motors along with a mamba micro coming for my VS410 ultra and can’t wait! Your blood and sweat is in all my rigs actually lol
Thanks, run your trail master pro 2700kv with a mamba max, and can't wait to try the expo for that slow start. I too have been running punch at 20% to 40% tho I was thinking to help keep traction when I give it too much throttle at the start.
I cant find this motor anywhere, they are sold out everywhere. Glad i found this video. Cant wait to tune an esc
I love that crawling has become so technically advanced
Great info! thank you
Thank you! This video was a huge help.
Glad it helps!
Excellent vid. How much weight does this combo resist?
Hey John.
Best tuning video I've seen.
Funny.....mine is tune very very close to yours.
I'm gunna share this in a few spot.
Thanks!
Regarding the punch control, you could always use a big juicy capacitor on the power leads to soak that amp draw on full punch! Always good to use a cap no matter what!
Great video 🙌🏽
Great vid brother and great Tips 🇬🇧✌😃✌🇬🇧
Thanks!
Good info John as always....Does all these settings apply equally to a brushless sensored motor. Love the smoooth start up👍
This is so cool to know!!! I wonder if this setup would work with sw4 & trailmaster sport 21t & 27t? I have the 21t in my trx4 blazer & 27t in my sport. I'm gonna set them up like this and see what it's like.
Thanks for the explanation in details, I'm looking forward to the crawlermaster magnum which I have already bought to come. And maybe I will compare to the HW AXE 1800KV.
I bet yours is the 11 turn I wound up this morning. Thanks!
Yes, I chose the 11 turn and 6° motor timing. Does the motor timing affect the smooth start up?
Man you are a god send to the crawler world. Pretty much everything Ive learned since starting has been because of you. I am pretty isolated and Im the only dude with a crawler within hundreds of miles so I eather learn the hard way cause im old or watch youtube like my kids tell me haha. Anyways thank you man.
Well ended up with mamba monster x and revolver runs awsome.
Thanks for the goodly video, John! Appreciate the throttle curve info, your forum posts made me want to understand that application better.
Dammm!!!
Awesome, thanks for the tips. 👍👍
Glad they can help!
Greetings from a fellow Georgian!!! Your a wizard man your technical knowledge has really helped my setup, I know it’s not your wheelhouse but what pinion/spur ratios do you prefer and do you overdrive/underdrive your ring and pinion in the axles? Thanks for producing these videos!
Holmes doing it from the of the camera for us Ow ow.... Goodly godly the power from holmes is bigly.
Drunk comment?
Can't wait to receive our order, going to be amazing to supply Holmes in South Africa! So keen for a revolver for my trx4 :)
Awesome, thanks for the support!
HolmesHobbies we'll be sure to keep supporting you for the future to come!
Gear with bow finger in middle, very cool HH
Hi there John, could you please make a short video to explain and give some tips to program your "TorqueMasterBR mini Dual".
And what parameters are you using?
Because it is very hard for pilots like me who are new to the discipline.
And especially how to configure the radio such as the Flysky NB4 Pro
Thank you so mutch
Thank u just got a sidewinder 3 and i want a slow speed control.
Hi Rob. I just read that for high power start you may use good quality or high power batteries. Why. What's a good rate. Would this affect the temperature or performance in general. I'm using a mamba x combo with 2280 slate and want to squeeze the best torque and control. My battery is a gen ace 3s 3700 mHa 45c.
Thanks for the video, it's very helpful
John, is the 1400kv revolver the newer motor? I am considering getting the stubby revolver, will I notice a difference on my 6lb crawler??
Sorry in advance for the ignorance new in the hobby I have a Mamba X with a HH puller pro bl , Is this kind of the same setup for it ( I know mamba x has extra features and sensor ) Thanks learned a lot with your videos
Yes the Mamba X can be setup the same way.
Great video. I think you have solved my problem, I get some hesitation when I give full throttle on my bomber, it has mamba max pro and a rock 412 w/3s going to try a little punch control see what happens. Thanks love your videos. Later
Sounds like a little punch control is exactly what you need.
Thank you Mr Holmes for sharing your knowledge of brushless Crawlers. I j recently bought the Redcat Terremoto 1/8 brushless rtr and I'm hoping to give it crawler capabilities. Do you know if it is possible to tune the esc on that rig? It crawls in reverse perfectly right out of the box..but it wants to take off when accelerating forward..
don't think its programmable
I see in alot of your videos you use the trx4 do I prefer the trx over the scx10?
At about @13:00 minutes in, when you start up the motor, I can hear static in your mic. I will be choosing a lapel mic soon and would like to know what brand of mic you used (so I can avoid it) because a mic & cable should be shielded enough to... well, you know what I mean. Do you happen to remember, John? And has it ever been an issue?
Installing this as we speak in my TRX4 Bronco . . Think my Revolver motor wires are shorter than yours and will need extensions . . To finish mine i need to hit Hobbytown in Omaha to get bullet plugs . . What gauge wire do you suggest for extensions that i should make to get it finished up?
I have 1400kv revolver and the micro x esc. I tried to set my truck up similar to this video. Very good video thanks for showing the viewers some tips! My truck is also ear piercing loud, like a squeel. Is that a normal sound with revolvers? I have metal spur and pinion
it is a loud motor and esc combo. I'm working on an ESC with less noise.
HolmesHobbies ok, i just wasnt sure if it was a normal noise. I do run 3s so i know it will be louder then 2s
John have you ever tried to program a revolver with the original mamba monster? I cant seem to get the throttle curve to crawl it wants to cog.
Good thank you
Whats your choice aftermarket radio? You should work with castle to make a really nice radio
For low cost, flysky. High cost, futabA
Can the mamba x be used on brushed motors or are there esc’s that can power both brushed and brushless
John, I am among many who appreciate the time and dedication that you put into this Hobby! I'm hoping you can help me with an issue, that's not one of your products...
I've got a Hobbywing WL10BL120 ESC and 2200kv Sensorless Brushless Motor in my Wraith, with 11/56 32 Pitch Gears. I've got only one Battery choice, a 40C, 4000 mAh 2S Lipo. The ESC is CHEAP, I know. But I'm hoping for adequate! It came with an equally Cheap Programming Card, with limited adjustment. At least I've got a good Futaba Radio.
The question is, I can adjust Punch, but have no idea where it should be! This is my first Brushless Setup, AND first Lipo Battery, after 37 years in the Hobby. 😵😱 I'm behind the curve!! Thanks to this Video, I finally have some idea what Punch IS, but still don't know which direction to go to get the smoothest start for what I'm working with. Oh, and can you give me an idea of what the Timing should be, from the ESC?
Can you please help?
I've already got my second system picked out. IF I can ever get enough money at one time. It will be a Sidewinder 4, and a GOOD Brushless Motor from you! I'll probably stay in the 2000-2400kv range, but haven't figured out - Sensorless or Sensored. Frankly, for my needs, I'm OK with the Sensorless Motor I have now, knowing that a higher quality, better made Motor, with Castle's latest version of the Sidewinder, should be nearly perfect, at least within my horrible income! 😫
Thank you, Carmine 💥 ⛽
Hey, I can help you a little. Im sure John missed your response. He is usually extremely prompt in answering all questions...
So, first off regarding punch, there are 2 areas addressed while programming esc; 1. Initial punch. You want that set high. If there is a # or percent to pick, pick 100%. This is not the place to adjust for wheelspeed. Reverse should be set to high as well. 100%. Next is the exponential or throttle curve; This is where to control wheel speed and a controlled feel. JOHN said to set the puch control to 30%. This helps give you lots of torque at a low consistant speed. If you grab full trigger, you are still going to get to the wheel speed, the 30% punch will be over-ruled by holding the floodgates open to allow the battery to ramp up the speed quick enough to jump from rock to rock or blast over a tree root.
Next is timing. Set timing to minimum. Timing adjustments are best left for racing and really dictated by the motor/esc your working with. Rock Crawlers, unless U4 racing, shouldn't mess with cranking up the timing. Finally, you mentioned that you have a Wraith(love mine) with spur/pinion of 56 and 11..which gives you a 5.09 ratio. Without knowing the diff ratios, tranny, tire height, i dont know your final drive ratio. But, assuming you're running a Status Quo Wraith, 5.09 is perfectly fine. Instead of leaning towards a Castle SW4 ESC with a brushed motor..personally I'd wait and save for a Castle Mamba X with a Brushless Holmes Hobby Motor. Or, a Holmes Hobby Trailmaster BLE Esc with a Holmes Hobby Brushless motor; the Puller Pro or the Trailmaster Pro Brushless 540 or 550 at 3300KV. The sweet spot is FOREVER! especially over brushed, it lasts much longer, so its a better investment and You WONT IMMEDIATELY WANT MORE!! You will be satisfied like THANKSGIVING FULL! You will LOVE YOUR WRAITH, and chics will want you! I feel you on the $$, i went from grossing about $25K/mth to SSDI, maxed the system at just over $24K/YEAR!! In the meantime you're probably having a great time with an Axial AE2 esc and 35T Axial Crawler motor. I hope this helps...i have 47 to 49 RC Vehicles. I'm talking about currently operational, running fully set to go, not diecasts or partial builds im "working on". Just so you know I'm not a Noob(we were all noobs at one time, no insult to anyone intended)..
Trying to help..
John, am I right that brake curve acts like throttle curve when reversing? When setting only throttle curve, reverse is not so smooth.
I have a lot to learn. I have an 80 turn 4 pole brushed motor in my Wraith Spawn, but chose an ESC without drag brake after the stock one burned out on me. (duh)
Hi there...can I ask what wheels are those please...I need some old school bronco wheels... thanks Dave..
Hello Im using a sw3 and a tenshock rc906 2400kv motor. Copied what you did for settings as much as I could. I can't seem to get smooth throttle and low end capability. Do you have any suggestions
John you going to pick up a trx4 Sport ? I like my regular trx4 but might get the base rig too.
I already have 3 trx4s. Don't really need a fourth.
Makes sense.
Try start power medium and try the same slow craw..
I was having a bit off glitch and sound on high..
Went to medium and it was even better.
Your next product should be called Goodly! Haha. Funny slip. Great video though! Thanks!
So I tried 30% punch control and it really reduced my trx6 launch. I backed it down to 20% and it seems quicker than with it disabled. But I never had any glitching or other issues.
Hey John, would I be able to get similar results with your Trailmaster Pro BL and the SW4? What would be the highest KV possible with similiar results. I'm running the HW1080 with your Trailmaster Sport 550 21T, I love the control on it, its pretty quick too but I want to go brushless and donate this setup tk my secondary rig. Any suggestions? Bday coming up, gotta put in my request!
Its for my TRX-4 Defender with stock drivetrain, 3S traxxas lipo. I've ridded the roof rack and spare wheel w/ accs. Not sure if that makes a difference.
The TrailMaster Pro won't be able to start up quite as smoothly since it is two pole. Anything above 2200kv is going to have more trouble being smooth sensorless at low speed, no matter how many poles, which is about the same speed as the TrailMaster Sport 21t 550. If you want more wheelspeed than that, you will probably have to go sensored to keep the startup and low end torque as good as brushed.
HolmesHobbies awesome, good to know, thanks!
How much do throttle curve and brake curve affect how/when reverse is engaged?
The throttle curve also controls the reverse curve. brake curve is a separate curve, but since we use drag brake it never actually gets used.
Much goodly
very much
How do you feel about the spectrum rugged controller?
Haven't held one yet, but Spektrum has always been a solid brand.
I currently have the 35t 540 trailmaster in my trx4 I am looking for slower speed with some better crawl what turn should I get this nxt time. I need better crawlability at the slower speed I would like to be able to use lo gear for a super low and have low gear speed while in high gear if that makes sense
for two speed use, i tend to use a 550 motor so it doesn't burn out in second gear. My recommendation would be a 45t 540 or 550 motor.
I had lots of motors and your pp bl is what I have in my wraith and scx10 but I got a old trinity 4xs short course motor in my yeti nd that dam thing is just as smooth at the pp believe me I’m a diehard HH fan I just always wondered like you just said why is a racing motor so dam smooth to
Hope you got the time to read this
Thanks
Every now and then a racing motor will also be smooth on the bottom end, out of pure luck. It is not very typical though.
Excellent vid. I have stayed away from "crawlers" because I do like a bit of speed and thought "crawlers" were not capable of both. If I realised a crawler could reach 20mph AND crawl I would of bought one ages ago. Sorry if this was mentioned in the vid BUT what KV motor is needed to do both on say a capra? also the pole count is new to me
3300 to 3500kv on 3s. I would recommend a Puller Pro and Mamba X.
Hi. Big question. Just finished a speed losi 8ight 3.0 e. Buggy.mamba x esc. On my futaba radio i push trigger forward it goes fast. My gas and break afe reversed. On electric buggy how do i fix that?
Is it applicable with the HB BL ESC?
Is the sound coming out from the ESC or motor?
the motor makes the noise. The ESC is what causes it to happen.
Is the Programming any different for inrunner motors? weather it is sensored or not?
They can take higher timing advance, but that isn't a good idea for a crawler.
Hi can you recommend a particular battery for stock TRX4?
3S, 4000 or superior mAh.
So people have said to add a stronger servo I would need to add a bec and I was wonder can I just buy a esc that has more power for the aftermarket servo and if I can what is a good one that won’t cost me 170 bucks lol
Grate vidio but Why is the motor so loud ??? settings - ESC - motor ??
I want to buy a 540 brushless system but I cant seem to get an esc
10:15 that’s not at all how internal combustion engine timing works.
The flame propagation is fairly constant but the piston speed is dynamic. Without timing, the pressure from the combustion process will be trying to force a piston down that’s already moved away from it. So the fuel mixture is ignited before the piston crests top dead center in order to unleash more pressure onto it. The faster an engine operates the faster the piston will move away from the combustion pressure.
This actually maximizes torque and efficiency. Too much timing and you get knock events that will damage the engine. Too little timing and the engine heats up because you’re dropping efficiency.
Typically engines run the proper timing to maximize efficiency under low loads when a knock event won’t hurt the engine, but retards timing down to a safer advance in order to safely operate under higher pressures.
Diesel engines operate much the same except for the fuel ignites upon injection so engine timing is based off fuel timing not spark. They also must maintain proper alignment with the injector spray pattern and piston bowl shape.
yeah, more of a basic conceptual similarity than anything else. I figured many people would understand at least the timing advance/ rpm relationship. Get outside of the golden zone and efficiency suffers. Can't really go too low on a brushless motor with sensorless technology, which is a key difference to ICE.
super
why no settings for steering? doesnt the esc provide power for steering?
that's in the radio
Where can i get this software?
I am thinking the gentleman at the rc shop programmed my rig wrong. He did something on the computer and now it drives slow. The shop is 3 hours away. I need this software.
castlecreations.com
I did everything u did and my truck doesn't start up slow. Help?
I have a 5700kv, dose it work on a trx4 sport?
over 3500kv tends to be a poor choice due to ESC amp swamping.
Would you use this same set up on your Revolver V2 2200kv
yes, same
@@HolmesHobbies Thank you very much you have an amazing product.
Watching because thumbnail is you with no beard!!!
How do you stop the beep every 10 seconds?
There's a box for audible idle warnings ,you can turn them off.
wht ecs you use
Mostly crawlmaster esc's
3.2 lipo cutoff, why ? I thought that was bad ?
3.2 is a pretty good cutoff. It's 3.2v per cell. so a 3 cell pack will cut off about 9.6v .
@@HolmesHobbies I prefer 3.4V, safety first.
Nice haircut
man, I really need another one right now
Why would you put brushless in crawling
power, wheelspeed, efficiency, long service life
Why does your car sound like a fucking abram tank lol
all this so you can go 1 mph lol
Sw4 is a terrible esc...worse one castle has made in a long time.