Nothing undignified in spontaneously bursting into song... I would find it rather brave and jovial! :) ...unless you are at a funeral; that's the only occasion I can think of, where it would be inappropriate and undignified.
Thanks for the clip. I didn't know about whistle languages until I went to an outer island of the Torres Straights called Mabuiag Island. The indigenous language was still spoken as a primary language when I was there. The culture revolved around the ocean. As hunting and travelling was commonly done by more than one boat whistle and sign language was often paired with the spoken language. Knowing a big shark or crocodile was heading your way was important and whistles and waving arms became a language. Who knows whistles and waving arms may have been the start of language. Everyone had an 'island name' a christian name and a whistle name. I still remember mine quite clearly, pitch and all. The whistle name you were given by your family was often changed to a nickname whistle by your peers as you reached young adulthood. It was like a teenagers secret language until the parents learnt the new nickname. I didn't know that whistle languages existed in other parts of the world. Thanks again for sharing your knowledge.
I was hoping my curiosity about musical mode names would be satisfied in these two clips. Do you know why the mode names also geographic or ethnic regions in ancient Greece? Which came first? Does it relate to the modes people generally used as the tonic in their compositional styles in the relevant areas?
As for the modes -- that was one of the things I didn't have room to cover. Maybe I'll look into that for a follow-up at some point -- I don't know off the top of my head, I'm afraid.
I was looking for the origin of music and I kept getting a historical background type explanation but this was exactly what I want it thanks for the video
This video feels like when I'm randomly following links on wikipedia. At some point you're not sure how you ended up on the whistle languages page, or the guillotine, but you've enjoyed the ride anyway.
Jeeeesus...I paused at 7:00. That's a lot of information to take in in 7 minutes. I mean, this is a very well composed, comprehensive video...it's succinct, concise, all of those things...but duuuude...I don't have time to process anything. I was literally put in a trance of...a realization of interconnectedness, let's say....around 2 minutes in, I thought of pausing, but couldn't bring myself to actually pause....it took me seven minutes to muster up the frontal lobe activity to sit up and press space.....wow...what a video....just......wow...I think I'm gonna watch the remainder at 0.75 speed, tho....
This is a really good and informative video and I know it's not your fault that the historical and artistic contributions of countries/cultures outside of Europe/America have been overlooked and erased for so long that they're hard to find. But just once I'd like a lesson on music history that isn't so Eurocentric, you know? Because I'm SURE a lot of things like trade/interactions with Asia, the Moors, and the Barbarians had an impact on European music and there are a lot of ways music evolved differently in different areas. For instance how historically music in Africa is primarily rhythmic while rhythm is much more loose and inconsistent in European classical music while they focus more on melody. I want to learn more about the other branches of human history.
Poor Steven Pinker, looking for a teleological explanation for evolutionary traits... When you see an evolutionary trait, you should not ask what function it serves, but why the environment has not selected it out. Now, on that framework, we need to consider what forces could select out our sense of music. If music has no function in survival [*], the next hypothesis is sexual selection. If that is true, we have music sense because we prefer partners that have it to those who does not, effectively selecting out the *amusia* and similar conditions. I believe the public in general will receive well this hypothesis, given that the fact that a remarkable portion of the population has the idea that music can help to inspire love. Why did humans invent *serenades* otherwise? [*]: We can argue whatever or not being able recognizing, produce or mimic sounds and melodies is useful for hunting and communication. For example, we can identify animals by their sound, then we can communicate the presence of such animals by their sound, then we can avoid the animal if it is a dangerous one, or coordinate to capture it.
Yes, the evolutionary role of music is certainly a complex topic -- and you're right, it doesn't have to be selected *for*, just not selected *against*, especially if the development of musical ability was a byproduct of language (though that gets into the question of which came first, which is definitely still contentious.)
Steven Pinker emphasises this point several times himself. And I doubt he makes teleological arguments. It's good to not blindly believe what someone in a seeming position of authority tells you (that's fundamental to science) but you also shouldn't misrepresent.
I think Mister Apple is right. As I know, "A CAPELLA" / "ALLA CAPELLA" has Latin roots, and means in a straight translation, something like "at the chapel". In the 16th century, "A CAPELLA" was a manning requirement for church choirs. And if I got it right, the term has changed its meaning, after the 19th century, to a "contra punctual chorus style"(polyphony), without music instruments (just the singing choir).
Yes, Mister Apple and Patric are correct, Martianus Capella's name is a coincidence; what I don't know is if his name comes from the Classical Latin 'capella' meaning "she-goat" or the medieval Latin "capella" meaning "chapel"; his dates are 5th century, so the former is probably slightly more likely. Or it could be some unknown different derivation, of course.
There is an image at 1:51 that has a rather accurate high level map of the world including the western hemisphere. It seems to be implied here that it was contemporary with Aristotle. I'm confused... what am I missing?
Ah, that was just intended to illustrate the geocentric conception of the world. It's true that it's of course much later -- 16th century -- in that short window between the 'discovery' of the Americas and the acceptance of the Copernican model. Here's the link to the image if you want to know more about the map: commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bartolomeu_Velho_1568.jpg
Cool, that makes more sense. Like I know that the ancient greeks knew the world was round and they even knew its circumference but the shape of the continents seems far fetched. That makes more sense. It's a fascinating image.
Alliterative, I agree! I think for the mordern Latin languages, it is also very clear to see the link to the Greek, but think about the Russian word for music. It is музыка / му́зыка and sounds to me like "musiké" / "miusica" because and I am pretty sure, that it derrived from Greek too (sorry, I needed to use an "é", because English does not pronounce the "e" like I wanted to show it) . And don't forgett the German word for music, which is "Musik". Doesn't that sound very similar too?😉 Greetings of a member of the "Dun an Duine" 👋
I get depressed if I don't listen to music regularly. That's all the evidence you need to know theres something to life more than secular evolution stupidity.
Now if you had said the evolution of music, then I would have agreed with your rankings but all you’re doing is giving an incomplete thought to mislead people.
Stuttering can be overcome by singing instead of speaking. :)
Good point!
That's right! As I know, it was some kind of therapy for Scatman John.
But good luck keeping you're dignity if your main attempt to speak with out stuttering is to spontaneously bursting into song
Nothing undignified in spontaneously bursting into song... I would find it rather brave and jovial! :)
...unless you are at a funeral; that's the only occasion I can think of, where it would be inappropriate and undignified.
Also country artist Mel Tillis
I get a shiver down my spine when you point out deep connections that i never noticed before.
You helped me learn a new thing today. Thank you.
Thank you! I love finding connections I'd never known before, they're very satisfying.
@zeabeth you are too easily impressed
I'm a linguistics and anthropology enthusiast, and I loved trying to identify different types of skulls that were pictured.
I hope I got them right!
Adam Neely's video led me to 12 tone's video which led me to this video and now you're pointing me back to 12 tone
Thanks for the clip. I didn't know about whistle languages until I went to an outer island of the Torres Straights called Mabuiag Island. The indigenous language was still spoken as a primary language when I was there. The culture revolved around the ocean. As hunting and travelling was commonly done by more than one boat whistle and sign language was often paired with the spoken language. Knowing a big shark or crocodile was heading your way was important and whistles and waving arms became a language. Who knows whistles and waving arms may have been the start of language. Everyone had an 'island name' a christian name and a whistle name. I still remember mine quite clearly, pitch and all. The whistle name you were given by your family was often changed to a nickname whistle by your peers as you reached young adulthood. It was like a teenagers secret language until the parents learnt the new nickname. I didn't know that whistle languages existed in other parts of the world. Thanks again for sharing your knowledge.
I was hoping my curiosity about musical mode names would be satisfied in these two clips. Do you know why the mode names also geographic or ethnic regions in ancient Greece? Which came first? Does it relate to the modes people generally used as the tonic in their compositional styles in the relevant areas?
Thank you -- that's absolutely fascinating, I appreciate you sharing that story!
As for the modes -- that was one of the things I didn't have room to cover. Maybe I'll look into that for a follow-up at some point -- I don't know off the top of my head, I'm afraid.
I was looking for the origin of music and I kept getting a historical background type explanation but this was exactly what I want it thanks for the video
This video feels like when I'm randomly following links on wikipedia. At some point you're not sure how you ended up on the whistle languages page, or the guillotine, but you've enjoyed the ride anyway.
Jeeeesus...I paused at 7:00. That's a lot of information to take in in 7 minutes. I mean, this is a very well composed, comprehensive video...it's succinct, concise, all of those things...but duuuude...I don't have time to process anything. I was literally put in a trance of...a realization of interconnectedness, let's say....around 2 minutes in, I thought of pausing, but couldn't bring myself to actually pause....it took me seven minutes to muster up the frontal lobe activity to sit up and press space.....wow...what a video....just......wow...I think I'm gonna watch the remainder at 0.75 speed, tho....
Yay, actually someone, who supports my thoughts about the relation of music and languages. Thank you Alliterative!
this was beautiful and fascinating. amazing work!
This is a really good and informative video and I know it's not your fault that the historical and artistic contributions of countries/cultures outside of Europe/America have been overlooked and erased for so long that they're hard to find. But just once I'd like a lesson on music history that isn't so Eurocentric, you know?
Because I'm SURE a lot of things like trade/interactions with Asia, the Moors, and the Barbarians had an impact on European music and there are a lot of ways music evolved differently in different areas. For instance how historically music in Africa is primarily rhythmic while rhythm is much more loose and inconsistent in European classical music while they focus more on melody.
I want to learn more about the other branches of human history.
What makes someone dislike this
Armin Halilovic. sociopaths
Frank289100 Nooooo you've got it all wrong...
Frank289100 calm the hell down
This is an excellent format!
Thank you! Glad you like it!
Great linguistic teacher...thank you. May my brain be augmented by your vocabulary wealth.
Poor Steven Pinker, looking for a teleological explanation for evolutionary traits... When you see an evolutionary trait, you should not ask what function it serves, but why the environment has not selected it out.
Now, on that framework, we need to consider what forces could select out our sense of music. If music has no function in survival [*], the next hypothesis is sexual selection. If that is true, we have music sense because we prefer partners that have it to those who does not, effectively selecting out the *amusia* and similar conditions.
I believe the public in general will receive well this hypothesis, given that the fact that a remarkable portion of the population has the idea that music can help to inspire love. Why did humans invent *serenades* otherwise?
[*]: We can argue whatever or not being able recognizing, produce or mimic sounds and melodies is useful for hunting and communication. For example, we can identify animals by their sound, then we can communicate the presence of such animals by their sound, then we can avoid the animal if it is a dangerous one, or coordinate to capture it.
Yes, the evolutionary role of music is certainly a complex topic -- and you're right, it doesn't have to be selected *for*, just not selected *against*, especially if the development of musical ability was a byproduct of language (though that gets into the question of which came first, which is definitely still contentious.)
Steven Pinker emphasises this point several times himself. And I doubt he makes teleological arguments. It's good to not blindly believe what someone in a seeming position of authority tells you (that's fundamental to science) but you also shouldn't misrepresent.
Impressive. Thanks for sharing :)
What a great video.
Thanks!
I notice one of the names in here is sounded like Capella. Is that related to the term _a capella,_ meaning without accompaniment?
A Capella comes from (I believe) the Latin for ‘of the chapel’, because church music was a cappella.
I think Mister Apple is right. As I know, "A CAPELLA" / "ALLA CAPELLA" has Latin roots, and means in a straight translation, something like "at the chapel". In the 16th century, "A CAPELLA" was a manning requirement for church choirs. And if I got it right, the term has changed its meaning, after the 19th century, to a "contra punctual chorus style"(polyphony), without music instruments (just the singing choir).
Yes, Mister Apple and Patric are correct, Martianus Capella's name is a coincidence; what I don't know is if his name comes from the Classical Latin 'capella' meaning "she-goat" or the medieval Latin "capella" meaning "chapel"; his dates are 5th century, so the former is probably slightly more likely. Or it could be some unknown different derivation, of course.
Dear Alliterative, I agree, that "CAPELLA" can mean a "she-goat", but I think this is not the "original" meaning. Maybe this has something to do with the high priestess, before the biblical change in religious leadership. But it may has to do with the "head" in general. Because "CORNU"(Lat.) "Horn (Ger.) "corne" (Fr.) are meaning "horn" in Englisch. Also think about the expression "CAPRICORN" > "head (with) recurved horns" > "CAPO-RETURNIS-CORNI". I think "CAPELLA" is another word for "oratory" from > "ORATORIUM" (Lat.) "house of prayer" "temple" "TEMPLUM" (Lat.). But I think there is a much deeper link! The word "temple" hangs also together with "ECLESIA", which stands for temple or church too. But if you think further, you can see a link to "school" too.^^ Why? 😵 Please have a look at the words "église" (Fr.) "ECLESIA"(Lat.) "ÉCOLE"(Fr.) "scuola" (Ita.) "Schule (Ger.) "School" (Engl.). Can you see it! 😉 I think these mentioned terms hang all together, because the first schools where monasteries. I think "CAPELLA" is in general more related to the word "CAPO"(Lat. / Ita.) for "head"/"lead(er)".🤩 And think about the "international" understandable words "captain"/"capitaine"/"Kapitän"/Kapitan" etc. ...
I think this suggestion makes totally sense, because we learn with our heads and political leaders are sometimes called the "head" or "heads" too. 🤣 Also think about the "name" of the boss of some Italian organizations (capo). So I would translate "CAPELLA" as a "place/house for learning/spelling". > "CAPITO ?" 😉 But there is more. 🤗 Can you see the hidden "spirit" 👻? 🤣
© Patric Hausammann 🖖🏼
@@patrichausammann I wonder if a musical capo is related.
One of the Muses, Klio, claimed me when Ares (or at least his HR department) rejected me.
Solresol is a kind of a musical language.
12tone did a video on that on Tom Scott's channel! (Which may be why you made this comment.)
Really? I must have missed that one.
Well, it's not on the 12tone channel, it's on a channel called Tom Scott.
🌞🔄🌞
I've subscribed to both Tom Scott and Alliterative, and I was really suprised to see 12tone to appear on both channels!
WOW
Who came from NativLang ? (video about the Runes) glad abt the recommend
i need this for my science prooject.
my ADHD ass did not learn a single thing from this, it's going pretty damn fast lmfao
There is an image at 1:51 that has a rather accurate high level map of the world including the western hemisphere. It seems to be implied here that it was contemporary with Aristotle. I'm confused... what am I missing?
Ah, that was just intended to illustrate the geocentric conception of the world. It's true that it's of course much later -- 16th century -- in that short window between the 'discovery' of the Americas and the acceptance of the Copernican model. Here's the link to the image if you want to know more about the map: commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bartolomeu_Velho_1568.jpg
Cool, that makes more sense. Like I know that the ancient greeks knew the world was round and they even knew its circumference but the shape of the continents seems far fetched. That makes more sense. It's a fascinating image.
I think language has a strong connection to music, rather than the otrher way around.
Alliterative, are you latinists by any chance?
Why yes, I'm a medievalist, studied Latin & Old English and Old Norse. My wife is a Classicist. :)
I paid attention to your Latin pronunciation that was easy and seasoned. :) Maximas gratias!
I wonder which came first, music or spoken language...
That’s the big unknown...
"chicken or the egg" who? i only know "language or music"
Sound.
I put the thumbs down for fun 😆
The endless balloon knot
12:29 that's not how you pronounce "titaness"...
You need to sell some products to generate more sales...😃
Wakoy nasabtan guys HAhahaha
I think the word music may also be releated to the arabic word Moushik ( موسيقى )
Yes, I imagine they must be related. I suppose the Arabic word must have been borrowed from Greek at some point.
Alliterative, I agree! I think for the mordern Latin languages, it is also very clear to see the link to the Greek, but think about the Russian word for music. It is музыка / му́зыка and sounds to me like "musiké" / "miusica" because and I am pretty sure, that it derrived from Greek too (sorry, I needed to use an "é", because English does not pronounce the "e" like I wanted to show it) . And don't forgett the German word for music, which is "Musik". Doesn't that sound very similar too?😉
Greetings of a member of the "Dun an Duine" 👋
Music started in Africa.
Evolutionary cheesecake. 😂
I get depressed if I don't listen to music regularly.
That's all the evidence you need to know theres something to life more than secular evolution stupidity.
That's a non-sequitur, rather.
Now if you had said the evolution of music, then I would have agreed with your rankings but all you’re doing is giving an incomplete thought to mislead people.
Pure bullshit!
This guest host is unwatchable. Had to fast forward