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@@KristiWright thanks for the quick response. Love the show and keep doing what you are doing, you guys provide the community with great information that allows all of us to learn and make better decisions on our audio systems. Thank you!
I can't agree with you on the fact that a customer would not feel that they don't have something exclusive because at that price, you're paying for performance first. I don't think most people are the style hawk, that you are. If your complaint is that the speaker isn't "pretty" enough to feel special, I do feel like you're over thinking it. Just comparing the size of the speaker to its performance as you described, will leave buyers in a very Happy place.
The review was excellent but your final thoughts and explanation following Kristi's questioning was unparalleled. What an insight into both of you complicated job and tribulations. I really loved it.
The conversation with you and Kristi at the end is really good and brings forward great points for the audiophile community. If you don’t normally stay till the end of their reviews, stay for this one.
If I have to spend $14,000 on a pair of speakers then it has to be special and handcrafted from the brand's home country. Because you're not only buying a certain product, you're also buying the heritage, history and reputation. I don't mind paying extra for speaker's like Sonus faber or musical instruments like Martin Guitars. For as long as they are hand made with love and passion from their country of origin.
The discussion at the end of this review highlights one of the many reasons this channel is a valuable resource to all listeners from music lovers everywhere, to the beginning audiophile, to the C.E.O. of a high end audio company. Mr. Robinson’s ability to humbly step outside of himself and draw upon his years of experience not only with audio but with conversing with listeners of all types to paint a picture of the pros and cons of a loudspeaker with a wink back to each kind of listener is invaluable. Not only is he providing that short hand for the viewer, he is doing it while avoiding unseen industry mine fields and bias all while communicating with the bedside manner of a friend.
You have verified what I like and enjoy with the work that the two of you do so well together. You select a wide range of products to review and ask questions to enlighten your viewers and make them think and question their perceptions and misperceptions and I love that. You are helping to remove the stigma that people who are active in this hobby with strict budget considerations have regarding individuals with deeper pockets who consider these individuals as having more money than brains. I appreciate the opportunity to have something new to think about and to discuss ideas, thank you.
Wow!!! Forget the product review, this is the best QOTD in a long time. The gap from midfi to hifi is almost a lateral move nowadays. The mid level companies are exposing the hi end and saying we know where you get your drivers and what you pay for them. We can do it too and sound just as good. The hi end are still winning on fit and finish, but is that enough? Not for most of us.
I own the Anthem STR amplifier and am looking forward to your review. After using the room correction software and setting the listening position parameter to within a 2" range I finally felt I had it dialed in. It made a big difference to me
I’m always amazed how some speakers with 6.5 inch woofers can dig deep / go full range while so many others can’t. Realize technology and cabinet come into play but so cool these sized woofers are bringing the bass! Thank you Andrew and Kristi for a great Sunday kick off!
Any sound under 80Hz are not from 6.5 inch woofer. Nobody can change laws of physics yet. It's from the port that are tuned very low. Port sound always carries very high percentage distortion.
23:38 Well first off, good morning to you both. I hope you have had a great weekend so far. I absolutely hands down. Will say this is one of the best in my top five videos you both have done together. The conversation is very, very heartfelt and most of all what I always say about your channel honest! I can't express that enough of the sheer level of honesty. You guys are the reasons why I do what I do. But it is getting harder and harder to really figure out. Why should I spend this much like these 15,000 speakers and not get a pair of $8,000 bookshelf speakers and pair it with a $1,000 subwoofer? That question will forever. No matter who answers will forever never be answered correctly. And this is the same conversation that happens with TVs. Yes, if you buy a Sony or an LG or a Samsung you are getting slightly better processing And I mean slightly. Whereas you can buy a Hisense or TCL and get damn near the same level of performance. It will always be harder and harder to choose and the only other thing I can say is you have to look at things as an investment for longevity. Will those 15,000 speakers out last the $8,000 pair or the $500 pair? And in my opinion, if you're going to buy expensive speakers, you are not going to buy another pair for at least 10 years or more. Especially if it is where money is a factor, but you make enough to afford them. I guess the short answer would be. I would look more at the longevity and choose based off of that decision. PS. Sorry for the long answer 😂 There is just so much to cover
I appreciate your "long answer" Nick. And I, like you, fear there is no "right" answer to a lot of these questions. As time and tech has progressed, one thing is for certain, the gap that used to exist between high-end or even just name brand products and more middle of the road brands has shrunk and shrunk rapidly. To the point that if we really wanted to get super nerdy we would see that even the high-end stuff is routinely made by or using parts from brands deemed "low to mid-tier". So the plot only thickens. I suppose discussions such as these are part of what makes the hobby fun, but for a lot of folks it's also what makes it maddening.
Amazing review, nothing to say, you and Kristyi have already said everything, and I agree with every single syllable: they sound very (very!) great (with the right amp) but for that amount you would expect something more "special".
I have the platinum 100 3g and I can say. I find that Monitor Audio may not be best in one category of music but they are excellent allrounders, from instrumental to electronic music . Jazz, classic to rock, pop, hip hop. Clear midrange, good, extended high without being bright and excellent bass from a book shelf. For my room 12 x 14. I don’t need a sub.
OUTSTANDING review. This is the hi-fi real talk that makes this channel elite. To return to the car analogy, perhaps this speaker has a similar problem to Aston Martin: it obviously exudes luxury and excellence, but at that price point, looking "normal" defeats the purpose (which is to represent a pinnacle and a pinnacle by definition isn't ordinary). A platinum 200 customer is probably closer to a Kef Blade 2 Meta buyer than a R11 Meta buyer, so this point you've raised IS necessary to address, even if awkward or unfair. Thanks as always.
I love my Monitor Audio Silver 500G, I hope some day I can afford the Platinum series, also, the Monitor Audio costumer service is one of the best I ever seeing, they even sended me a replace speaker for free from the UK to Brazil, awesome!!
I have the Platinum PL500 II and find them phenomenal. I don't care if they are built in China. If they were built in North America or Europe, it would cost double or triple. Also, MA 100% develops and builds all their drivers in-house themselves, which not many companies do. I like the fact that made in China saved me money 😂 The technology and R&D behind their drivers are easily available online to read, especially on how much engineering has gone into them!
@kuntja Well if they were made in the UK, they would have proudly stated that. I just double-checked the plinth of my PL 500 and the boxes, no where does it say UK nor China, so go figure. But as far as search online and forums they started moving production to China starting year 2004.
Those speakers are admittedly absolutely gorgeous. Awesome discussion. Agree there is lots of competition around that price point. Would probably get La Scalas near that price. Despite some of these higher end speakers being beautiful, I would ultimately be most moved by just the sound quality.
Thanks for the wonderful review as always. Reviews need to include subjective assessments and that’s what makes you different and fun. I get the fact that these are fairly high end speakers but comparisons with top performers in the VFM segment such as Polk R700 would be useful just to understand the gap between the tiers. Thanks and keep up the good work!
You know what? I think everything in hifi sounds good. You’re probably going to think I’m nuts however I have an insignia NS-STR514 hooked up to a set of Cerwin Vega re-38’s and they raise the hair on my arm’s every time. Never fails. Maybe it’s my hearing. I don’t think I have ever heard a pair of speakers sound bad. I have Klipsch , Fisher, Pioneer, Kenwood, Jbl and Cerwin Vega and love them all. You guys have a great channel here. I watch it every week. In my opinion I feel you guys are pretty much the most professional in talking hifi on TH-cam. Keep up the great work.
JD had to say hey just for that Handsome boy in your profile pic. I’m with you. I love hearing all kinds of different rigs. Those CV’s are probably raising that arm hair physically…😂🍻
Firstly, most hardcore audiophiles, at least the wealthier ones, wouldn't consider these or even the latest B&W 800 series to be proper fully-fledged 'high-end' audio. Brands like Tidal, Kharma, Borresen, Wilson Benesch, Vivid Audio, Rockport, Avalon etc, they are what your Porsche/Ferrari buyer is far more likely to opt for if s/he is as passionate about music as they are about cars. And while I would agree that speakers at the price level of the MA Platinums or KEF Metas do indeed sound better than ever there is still a significant gap sonically between them and the real cost-no-object stuff. It's nice to sometines imagine that there isn't but it just ain't so... Finally, I did recently hear at some length the Yamaha NS-2000A that Andrew mentions and I thought they were an absolute knockout. I currently run big active ATCs but I firmly believe you could build an exceptional sounding high value system around the NSs. Cheers, thx for all your hard work
Placing each speaker properly into its point in a continuous river of speakers using pricing, looks, build, sound structure, tonality, visual appeal, branding, etc... etc... has got to be the hardest thing to do for a plethora of audiophiles and Robert in Iowa. I think your audience, me included, understand the nuances of these comparisons and appreciate you and Kristy trying to bring all this forward to an understandable review. I think you guys do a fantastic job and I will always look forward to hearing and seeing what comes next.
Another fun part of your reviews is to put the music you mention on my own system and listen for the characteristics you both describe Your reviews are a great resource to experience fun music I did not know existed
The biggest problem with the Platinums is they look plain. It's very much like a Lexus ES which is just a nice Toyota Camry. Once you're in this price range, not only must your speakers sound good, they also have to look spectacular and be a marvel of modern engineering. The B&W 800s look and sound spectacular. The Focal Sopras look and sound spectacular. The Monitor Platinums look like Monitor Golds with maybe a little more polish.
I have a pair of Monitor Audio's silver 5i from the late 90s that i picked up two or three years ago. Until then i had never heard of the brand and i am well aware that they aren't even in the same universe with the 200s they are my favorite small tower. Sound great with any amp but with the right one they sing! Great review guys!
Awesome review. I really enjoyed your dialogue about the subtle differences of different speakers and even different expectations of the customer at different price ranges. Having you and your wife discuss your individual opinions elevates the value of your reviews.
I am proud owner Monitor Audio Platinum 300 II generation 2, also 4 ohm frequency response 28Hz to 100KHz, these speakers are monsters in the department of Bass, and midrange, I had the choice to go to B&W 802 I chose Monitor audio’s, I heard the new 300 Gen 3 to me they sound the same. Plus the price increased from 18k to 22k , anybody interested these speakers should hunt used ones, platinum 200 gen 2 are also monsters, you can get it good used ones for about 5k.
Very interesting and thought provoking review. I'm running the Monitor Audio Gold 300s with Marantz Model 30 + SACD 30N. The synergy between the warmth of the Marantz sound and the dynamics and resolution of the Monitor Audios float my boat. And in UK, Gold 300s are half the price of Platinum 200s and the finish/appearance is equal and equally exquisite. They're also very similar in size. Don't doubt the Platinum with better amplification will sound 'better' - as you say, the buyer has a reasonable expectation to get more if one pays more. The question is how much one values the 'improvement' at effectively double the total price? Keep up the good work guys :)
It's small improvements. You get slightly better motor structure for the bass (same cones though). You get the "tapered midrange chamber". How much will that be audible? Idk. Likely a stronger cabinet. But at 2.2x the cost it is a lot to swallow
Gotta tell you, was not at all interested in these speakers due to the price. But the conversation at the end crystallised for me why this channel is so great. The dichotomy between the two of you means every now and then, we really get a deep dive into some of the big (first world, I know) issues we all have trying to pick one over the other. Andrew really nailed it for me with the analogy of the speakers on an island. We are living in a golden era where there are so many fantastic products. The real issue is can you stop yourself from looking to the left. The theory you're only as good as the people you work with is exemplified here. Every reviewer would be elevated if they had a Kristi.
Excellent discussion I own the Monitor Audio Gold 100s in Piano Ebony. The line below the Platinums but above the silver. They are bookshelf speakers and look like the top half of those platinum 200s. These aren't anywhere near as expensive as the Platinums. But they are fantastic sounding to me. I'm too poor to touch high end products....but I'm sure those platinums are worth the money sonically.
I auditioned these a few weeks ago. Coming from a Silver 9i and having heard extensively the Gold 200, I was seriously blown away by these. The depth, air, detail and soundstage and dimensionality of everything sounded amazing. They were laid back and not bright sounding. Really smooth sounding as well. They're on my shortlist of speakers to buy soon. The leap from the Golds to the Platinum is not to be understated. It is a MASSIVE jump in performance across the board.
"high end" is more costlier than ever across all "hobbies" at this point, at a time when a civic SI is 40k+ and an M3 is easily in the 80-100k range, 20k just isn't what it used to be. In my opinion a high end speaker needs to do more than sound good, it needs to evoke other emotions. Those emotions could be intrigue at something like Walsh, or the hyphens you mentioned, or just admiration at the beauty and craftsmanship of something like these platinums. I think that is what differentiates these speakers from the lower monitor audio lines or something like a R700, they are truly beautiful and are designed to be more of a piece of furniture instead of a simple speaker. The hyphens make you ask "what is that?" while the platinums just make you admire their beauty. To go back to your car reference, these are a porsche cayman GTS, you can order one, it will come eventually, and it will be incredibly well made and competent, without having the exclusivity of a GT4.
Late to comment. But to answer a few questions… 1. NO, a sub is NOT needed for music. 2. To bridge the gap from mid to high end speakers requires, for me, that they be designed, engineered and built ALL IN house, drivers and all. And to Andrews point, YES, logistics DO matter at the “higher end” of things. I have been a B&W fan boy for decades for these reasons. I LOVE Andrew’s honest and pragmatic approach to his reviews. He keeps things REAL (even taking risks doing so, 606 S2s anyone), and I keep coming back and respecting him more for it. BRAVO ANDREW!!!
If you design well around decent drivers it's fine. A sub or two can be beneficial. Nothing is really "needed". Some people get by with a 3" full range. Some get by with phone speakers.
Big league review Andrew. I'm thrilled that you continue to venture into true high end speakers and components. You may want to try to get your hands on a pair of Paradigm Persona 3f or 5f speakers. I promise that paired with Anthem STR integrated (sister brand to Paradigm) and a quality subwoofer (10 or 12') the Personas will be on your wow list. The AMT tweeter in the Platinum 200 delivers excellent detail, but is a bit pronounced depending on the recording. The Personas have Beryllium midrange and tweeter, they deliver crystal clear transparency without harshness or bringing too much attention to the speaker rather than the music. I fully understand your struggle with high cost speakers and components (above $10k) in comparison with those in the sweet spot of $3-6K, that deliver 85% of the higher cost items. However, for those of us who can afford the higher cost items that deliver a 10 to 15% sonic improvement they're worth it. So please, don't give up on the high end. Thank you both.
Good convo. Was a bit surprised after the Polk R700 conversation to not have that as part of this one. Looks like the fit and finish of this is nicer. The Polk has a similar two bass drivers, one mid, one tweeter set up. Would you say spending more for the music is worth it, or is your convo really at this price you are past the music portion and just really care about the ego part of owing something like this?
My current speakers (Martin Logan XT B100s - which I purchased based on this channel's review) are amazing. Simply wonderful. I love them. They are made in China. Am I ok with that? Yes. They are however $1600 a pair and I know that I'm getting a mass-manufactured commodity. While they sound amazing and I'm perfectly happy, I went in with the goal of sound and value trumping any other aspects. If I'm going to drop $14k for a luxury item like speakers, my mindset is altogether different. Value is not what I'm looking for at that price bracket. They better freaking be hand made by the company that designed them, not sub-contracted out. The problem is when you drop that kind of money on a luxury item, people want a romantic/human story or connection with whatever it is they are buying. They want a less industrially produced product, and want something with a purposeful human touch. Scarcity is part of that (Andrew used to term "exclusive"), but really it's only scarce or exclusive because that kind of bespoke work doesn't scale to industrial proportions. Sub-contracting out your manufacturing is fine when you are moving product as a commodity, it is not fine however when you are trying to tap into something else like Andrew alluded to with Ferrari. People drop more money on hand made furniture or handbags because the buyer can imagine the passion and work happening by some skilled tradesperson in a boutique workshop. When something says "Made in China" it's almost impossible to conjure up the same idea for whatever the product is. Someday that perception may change (just like it did with Japanese products), but for now that is a massive ding against this product unfortunately.
I own the Anthem STR integrated with the MA Platinum II 200 and even do mine are last models, what you described is more or less IMO applicable to the PL II200. Other than getting a great deal when I purchase them my priority was on speakers with no treble fatigue, controlled articulated bass and these are definitely that. I do get what you meen on the competition at this price point, but I will say I am one of the few that likes more traditional look than WOW factor on speaker looks. Great review like always, thanks.👍👍
Love seeing higher end reviews like this! For my take at this price point a buyer should expect a great sounding speaker, even if the sound signature has a slightly different profile to other speakers in the same range. To an extent it comes down to cabinetry and the visual signature as much as the sound. Ferrari is a great example of that as you mentioned. Pininfarina matters as much as Binnoto.
Good morning, great review and topic. I bought the Klipsch Cornwall IVs after the review from you guys as well as listening to them first. For me, jumping from mid tier to high end it has to have a unique sound as well as design. For the price of these, they don't stand out from others of lesser price. My expectation is that I'm getting that wow factor visually and sonically.
As someone who (finally) took delivery of a pair of Wilson speakers, it was pride of ownership; Wilson was always an aspirational brand to me. I cross shopped SabrinaX against Magico A3s, and while the Magicos didn’t sound as good to me, the sound itself didn’t justify spending an additional 6k on the Wilsons. It was the other intangibles I mentioned that sealed the deal.
Here's a possible line of discussion. How to achieve great sound cheaper. Modern super high end speakers often are becoming speaker 'arrays' with each of the driver components being installed in it's own enclosure and the boxes being connected by wiring. Extreme example is the Wilson Audio Chromosonic. I was shopping high end(to me) and was looking at the Revel 328Be. Well, $18000 is not going to happen. I ended up with 2 M126Be on open box sale at $2400 plus an SVS SB3000 at $1100, and for 20 per cent of the cost I think I'm getting 80 per cent of the performance. I get the Revel mid and high plus a sub that digs to 18 Hz. I ended up in this direction despite my bias towards floor standers, many of which only go to about 40 Hz due to the modern trend of multiple smaller woofers. If I was going to end up with a sub anyway, I got a Stereophile class A sub with lots of tuning options(via the app) that made it easy to integrate into my system for a fairly seamless 'product'.
I believe that over bracing the inside of the cabinet looses some bloom in the music. Cabinet resonance isn’t always a bad thing. It is also, a frequency.
I have some of the older Platinum 100 MKII, and they are exceptional. I also owned some older Platinum PL200 MKI and again exceptional, however they did NOT like a small room. The newer Platinums, like the newer Silver Series may have fixed the positioning issues of old? You could not bung the rear port on the PL200 MKI, so controlling rear firing bass was difficult. The first time I heard the Platinum, it was the PL300 in a huge cavernous demonstration room playing Interstellar tracks by Hans Zimmer. The scale was nothing like anything I'd ever heard. It filled the whole room with thunderous sound and a sense of huge dimensionality unheard of. To this day I have not heard better. I love the Platinum series. I still prefer the look of the MKII series, but that is subjective. Awesome speakers though.
I just upgraded this week from the current Silver 500s to the Gold 300s. Wow! The Gold is incredible. I kind of wish Andrew had reviewed this model instead of the Platinum, as it reportedly offers a similar sound, works with a greater range of amplifiers (I’m using mine with an 80 watt per channel Cary tube amp in a large room), and it’s quite a bit ‘cheaper.’
The divide between hi end and mid fi is increasing getting closer. You should do a group test comparing b&w 804. kef reference 3, Sonus Faber Olympics Nova and possibly revel Performa 3 be
Hi Andrew and Kristi, I am still in love with my Kef R11 Metas paired with my Rogue Audio Cronus Magnum III and changed the preamp tube 12AU7 side to a Vintage Telefunken ECC82 smooth smooth plate 1950-1960s version. This thing is a Killer. By comparison, i had the Monitor Audio Golds before likewise the Elysian 4's.
Happy Sunday, good people! Nice to see another Anthem piece on your bench. Looking forward to hearing your thoughts on the STR line. Your review of the MRX 740 convinced me to hold my money until the fan noise and mobile app issues are sorted. In the realm of speakers, neutrality is the real value (my fiancée is a brass player). With that in mind, I outfitted us with a kit of Cambridge Audio SX-80s and Aeros on stands, with the SX-70 center. I know this is a budget kit, but to my ears, it’s 85% of the Wharfdale sound for pennies on the dollar. It’s all about putting your money where it’s most valuable. We might want to go to Tokyo to hear some jazz, or spend a weekend in Berlin with the Philharmonic…
Hi! I made some speakers in the past and can only say this: The more time and money you spend on parts and construction, the better the end result will be. On the other hand these high-end marvels have one Achilles heel, they need an amp with the power to control those drivers. I solve that dilemma by using good quality monitors with a sub or two. It is also more easy to place in my room and I can use a tube amp, thus saving a lot of my precious income. I don't think we need a Ferrari to enjoy driving, and I don't think we need to spend 14 000$ to have a great listening experience. Thanks!
Hi Andrew and Kristi, How would you say the Platinum range compares to Perlisten's range? They seem to have similar characteristics in some regards. Which did you ultimately prefer for your taste?
Hi Andrew and Kristi, another great review and discussion. It would be interesting to see you guys review something from the KEF Reference line which would be comparable price wise against these Monitor Audio Platinum series and in light of the fact you love your KEF R11's.
Looking forward to it! I would definitely be interested in learning what 3x the price gets you in performance improvement between the comparable size KEF R series vs the Reference series speakers. @@andrewrobinsonreviews
Everyone has there own preference when it comes down to what the speaker looks like, how it performs, etc... If I was to say my personal preference I like sleeper speakers. A sleeper speaker to me doesn't have a weird eye catching design, don't stand out, and you look at it and it just looks like a normal speaker to most people, but when you get them going your like holy shit that incredible. Everyone forgets there is never going to be a perfect speaker for everyone, it's based on the individual perception. I'm glad that Andrew and Kristi do these reviews to try to get people to look out side of the box to see what's possible.
These speakers seem to float around in the same world as the Revel Proforma F226BE. At least in my simplistic head the Revels are every bit as subjectively special. Same general driver layout, same country of manufacture I believe, on sale now for less than half the price.
Beyond budget by..... A LOT. But enjoying the video as always and unlike most lazy TH-cam viewers on every channel, I always hit the like 👍 button. Thank you and Kristi. Keep em coming 🤗
This tier is right where I am. It doesn’t get enough attention because a lot of people focus on the attention grabbing high end and the more accessible stuff for most people. I think it’s a good place to start looking for diminishing returns and am in paralysis by analysis mode.
I think a problem with Monitor Audio selling in the U.S. is taxes and dealer markups. The Platinum 200 is £9K here in the UK with the KEF R11 Metas being available for £5.5K and B&W 803 D4 being £14K and 802 D4 £24K. I believe this shifts the balance of price per performance and expectations a bit here in the UK and places the PL200 more accurately in the rankings.
Math class time, I googled this. 9,000 Pounds sterling equals $11,145.74 United States Dollars, like he said, a 10 ish thousand dollar speaker, I assume the reference to being manufactured in a different country, shipping is a factor, whether it's purchased in the U.K. or the U.S. I might be wrong, but I would also imagine tariffs would not be introduced in this case. Let's look at the B&W 805 D4 at 7 K in the UK, and $8,500 in the US. Lets Google that, let's see 7,000 pounds = 8,668.42 United States Dollar, an almost straight exchange, no tariffs added to a product made in the UK. The Naim Classic 200 system, 17,100 in the UK, in that video, they correctly thought it would cost 21K USD, the price is 27K in the US. I'm not sure if calling them out is intentional, but I like what these 2 are doing, they have our backs. Great products but why the premium price? I don't think he's saying 14 k is too much for great speakers, I think he's throwing hints, saying, guys, watch your cash, you might be getting short changed, you should be getting some change back from your 14K for this particular model.
@@JC-qc5nx I think it is a shame because I believe Monitor Audio is a great brand providing exceptional value in the UK but I feel that the additional costs being added to customers in the USA is not helping their status within that market. It is also worth noting that the UK prices include 17.5% tax which will not be included on exports and correct me if I am wrong but isn't he average VAT only 9% in the USA which really does land the PL200 as a $10k speaker.
spot on, people dont understand that the gap between a good and amazing system is a grand canyon of spending, the amp, the cords and stair step of speakers.
Context could be strengthened by looping back when comparing the others you mentioned by providing your takes on the issues of impedence, sensitivity, how finicky these and the others play with other amps/gear, warranty, resale (depreciation), and doing this is an excel chart format. Since gear changes all the time, I for one do not like gear that does not play well with many, various types of amps. The 14 grand for example might be much easier ro swallow if the speakers were for example 94 sensitive, and sounded great on many amps less than 10 grand. Also with the rapid advances in class D for example, it would be great to see how these sound moving that direction. I'm very grateful for your channel. Great review and summary from you both!
I absolutely agree about this speaker. It’s lovely looking, but for their price, it feels definitely way too “usual” or standard if you will. I love sound as much as I love design and build. That’s why B&Ws Diamonds are so popular, because not only they sound damn good, they look absolutely insane. I don’t care where the speaker is built, so long it’s done well. I’ve seen some really badly built things come from UK Germany, and some incredibly well built things in China. That being said, it does make it feel special when such an expensive piece of gear is built in house where the brand comes from, where their engineers see the actual build process themselves in person, hand labor, is still better than robots. Argue all you want, but it just is, because humans care. Even if B&W Diamond was identical in price and sound, I’d choose B&W 100 times of 100 because of design and being built by hand. In terms of question of the day, I think B&W has it spot on! Every higher line, starts at below the top speaker of the line below. I think that’s spotless pricing and all brands should do it the same way. Love this conversation! Great video and review! Thank you guys and hope you and everyone else is having a lovely Sunday!
I 100% agree with you and love your take! Have a great rest of your day and glad to hear the news the other day turned out to be a false alarm. Be well!
I'd like to see a video where Kristi list hers favorite speakers that have great vocal clarity since that's her area of interest, and it would be useful for everyone.
Personally I don't have a problem with the product being made in China if it is done right. What I have a problem with, is someone building it in China where you know they can probably build this speaker for a total of maybe $3k and then selling it for $14k.
Congrats, you just described most speakers ;p; Usually only local "small" builders will give you 50% of cost in drivers and crossover and a large chunk in cabinet.
What you two did in this video is great. The deep thinking you guys provoked should be left to each individuals, whether they think it has the special sauce in terms of aesthetics is imo best left up to them. Because even the most perfect speakers for $14,000, one will likely grow bored of them over time. Personally I agree with all that you said, it is a gorgeously crafted speakers but it looks too much of a speaker. I can see others feel they are gorgeous but bland. As for me, a speaker lover I just love and appreciate 'em. It's that simple.
Thank you for the awesome review! Curious if you will be reviewing the Totem Metal V2 speakers one day? Would love to hear both your thoughts. The speakers have no crossover.
I love the clarity & the question evolving from that clarity that Kristi brings to the review. The perception of value & what the components of that perception in the 2023, especially if you wish to sell that product. Andrew makes valid points, which i happen to agree with. There are political elements to the equation, whether rational or not.
Can't wait to hear your opinion on the Anthem Integrated and Classé stereo amp. Here's hoping you're able to audition the PS Audio aspen FR20, Yamaha NS-5000 and Totem Acoustic Element Metal v2.
The 20+ year old JBL HLS centre, Wharfedale MFM-5's, tiny Jamo rears and an entry level Yamaha sub powered by an Onkyo TX-SR393 is great for my needs. I feel purchasing overkill components is more for status than effect!
I've heard the MA platinum 200s. These (and the 300s) are superb for the money. I only buy for the sound speakers make and how much they make want to dance, overall, I slightly preferred the sound of the R11 meta. However in isolation I can happily live until I die with speakers of this calibre. No need to spend more. Having worked in studios most of my life i feel that after this one needs to listen to the likes of Genelec, Kii 3 BTX, ATC and PMC (or USA equivalent) as they give that absolute neutrality. With Genelec Ones plus a sub one can also buy their SAM software to sort your room idiosyncrasies out. My conclusion, after listening to these, that it is the recording itself that is the root problem, and, there's nothing you can do about that. BTW if I had the money to chose it will be Porsche all the way. Costs less, more reliable, cheaper to repaire, more comfortable at doing the same thing and they can be used every day. Great review again.
do you think the Anthem STR would be a good pairing for these speakers? you recommend it and I´m looking between the platinum 200 and 300, do you think it will be able to drive them well.
One of the advantages of the Wharfedale is that they are much less amplifier fussy. I drive mine with a 12.5 watt 300b tube amp and a 215w solid state and they sound great with both. I would certainly not describe them as lumbering at all.
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Kristi, love the show, wondering if you guys will get to review the new Integra 8.4?
We requested it upon receiving the press release and were told that review units would not be sent out because this receiver was only meant for installers. @@giovanni1269
@@KristiWright thanks for the quick response. Love the show and keep doing what you are doing, you guys provide the community with great information that allows all of us to learn and make better decisions on our audio systems. Thank you!
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I can't agree with you on the fact that a customer would not feel that they don't have something exclusive because at that price, you're paying for performance first. I don't think most people are the style hawk, that you are. If your complaint is that the speaker isn't "pretty" enough to feel special, I do feel like you're over thinking it. Just comparing the size of the speaker to its performance as you described, will leave buyers in a very Happy place.
The review was excellent but your final thoughts and explanation following Kristi's questioning was unparalleled. What an insight into both of you complicated job and tribulations. I really loved it.
Thanks so much!
The conversation with you and Kristi at the end is really good and brings forward great points for the audiophile community.
If you don’t normally stay till the end of their reviews, stay for this one.
I really appreciate the clear "struggle" you both go through to give us the insight and perspective we all need to make an educated purchase.
If I have to spend $14,000 on a pair of speakers then it has to be special and handcrafted from the brand's home country. Because you're not only buying a certain product, you're also buying the heritage, history and reputation. I don't mind paying extra for speaker's like Sonus faber or musical instruments like Martin Guitars. For as long as they are hand made with love and passion from their country of origin.
The discussion at the end of this review highlights one of the many reasons this channel is a valuable resource to all listeners from music lovers everywhere, to the beginning audiophile, to the C.E.O. of a high end audio company. Mr. Robinson’s ability to humbly step outside of himself and draw upon his years of experience not only with audio but with conversing with listeners of all types to paint a picture of the pros and cons of a loudspeaker with a wink back to each kind of listener is invaluable. Not only is he providing that short hand for the viewer, he is doing it while avoiding unseen industry mine fields and bias all while communicating with the bedside manner of a friend.
Good morning everyone! Thank you for joining us today!!
hi Kristi x
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Hi Kristi, Andrew. I hope you both r well .Can I ask if u guys plan on reviewing the totem line of speakers ? Thx again .
Hello Kristi,you got my sub✌️ Greetings from UK🏴
Always good to see y’all on a Sunday morning 🙌
Was right now wondering if you were ever going to review these 200, and a YT notification arrived. Perfect tining
Hope you enjoy the video!
You have verified what I like and enjoy with the work that the two of you do so well together. You select a wide range of products to review and ask questions to enlighten your viewers and make them think and question their perceptions and misperceptions and I love that. You are helping to remove the stigma that people who are active in this hobby with strict budget considerations have regarding individuals with deeper pockets who consider these individuals as having more money than brains. I appreciate the opportunity to have something new to think about and to discuss ideas, thank you.
Thanks so very much. I really appreciate your comment!
Wow!!! Forget the product review, this is the best QOTD in a long time. The gap from midfi to hifi is almost a lateral move nowadays. The mid level companies are exposing the hi end and saying we know where you get your drivers and what you pay for them. We can do it too and sound just as good. The hi end are still winning on fit and finish, but is that enough? Not for most of us.
thanks for sharing your thoughts and for answering Kristi's question of the day!
I own the Anthem STR amplifier and am looking forward to your review.
After using the room correction software and setting the listening position parameter to within a 2" range I finally felt I had it dialed in. It made a big difference to me
I’m always amazed how some speakers with 6.5 inch woofers can dig deep / go full range while so many others can’t. Realize technology and cabinet come into play but so cool these sized woofers are bringing the bass! Thank you Andrew and Kristi for a great Sunday kick off!
Any sound under 80Hz are not from 6.5 inch woofer. Nobody can change laws of physics yet. It's from the port that are tuned very low. Port sound always carries very high percentage distortion.
These speakers look gorgeous to me.
Me too. love the looks of these, but the price is too high for them. still the finished quality is amazing.
23:38 Well first off, good morning to you both. I hope you have had a great weekend so far. I absolutely hands down. Will say this is one of the best in my top five videos you both have done together. The conversation is very, very heartfelt and most of all what I always say about your channel honest! I can't express that enough of the sheer level of honesty. You guys are the reasons why I do what I do. But it is getting harder and harder to really figure out. Why should I spend this much like these 15,000 speakers and not get a pair of $8,000 bookshelf speakers and pair it with a $1,000 subwoofer? That question will forever. No matter who answers will forever never be answered correctly. And this is the same conversation that happens with TVs. Yes, if you buy a Sony or an LG or a Samsung you are getting slightly better processing And I mean slightly. Whereas you can buy a Hisense or TCL and get damn near the same level of performance. It will always be harder and harder to choose and the only other thing I can say is you have to look at things as an investment for longevity. Will those 15,000 speakers out last the $8,000 pair or the $500 pair? And in my opinion, if you're going to buy expensive speakers, you are not going to buy another pair for at least 10 years or more. Especially if it is where money is a factor, but you make enough to afford them. I guess the short answer would be. I would look more at the longevity and choose based off of that decision. PS. Sorry for the long answer 😂 There is just so much to cover
I appreciate your "long answer" Nick. And I, like you, fear there is no "right" answer to a lot of these questions. As time and tech has progressed, one thing is for certain, the gap that used to exist between high-end or even just name brand products and more middle of the road brands has shrunk and shrunk rapidly. To the point that if we really wanted to get super nerdy we would see that even the high-end stuff is routinely made by or using parts from brands deemed "low to mid-tier". So the plot only thickens. I suppose discussions such as these are part of what makes the hobby fun, but for a lot of folks it's also what makes it maddening.
@@andrewrobinsonreviews fact's I couldn't agree more!
Amazing review, nothing to say, you and Kristyi have already said everything, and I agree with every single syllable: they sound very (very!) great (with the right amp) but for that amount you would expect something more "special".
I have the platinum 100 3g and I can say. I find that Monitor Audio may not be best in one category of music but they are excellent allrounders, from instrumental to electronic music . Jazz, classic to rock, pop, hip hop. Clear midrange, good, extended high without being bright and excellent bass from a book shelf. For my room 12 x 14. I don’t need a sub.
OUTSTANDING review. This is the hi-fi real talk that makes this channel elite.
To return to the car analogy, perhaps this speaker has a similar problem to Aston Martin: it obviously exudes luxury and excellence, but at that price point, looking "normal" defeats the purpose (which is to represent a pinnacle and a pinnacle by definition isn't ordinary).
A platinum 200 customer is probably closer to a Kef Blade 2 Meta buyer than a R11 Meta buyer, so this point you've raised IS necessary to address, even if awkward or unfair.
Thanks as always.
I love my Monitor Audio Silver 500G, I hope some day I can afford the Platinum series, also, the Monitor Audio costumer service is one of the best I ever seeing, they even sended me a replace speaker for free from the UK to Brazil, awesome!!
The Gold would probably get you most of the way. MA almost seems to double the cost as you go up a level
I enjoy the interaction between you and your wife. Thanks for all the great content.
I have the Platinum PL500 II and find them phenomenal. I don't care if they are built in China. If they were built in North America or Europe, it would cost double or triple. Also, MA 100% develops and builds all their drivers in-house themselves, which not many companies do. I like the fact that made in China saved me money 😂 The technology and R&D behind their drivers are easily available online to read, especially on how much engineering has gone into them!
The Platinum G2 serie was built in UK, and not abroad.
@kuntja Well if they were made in the UK, they would have proudly stated that. I just double-checked the plinth of my PL 500 and the boxes, no where does it say UK nor China, so go figure. But as far as search online and forums they started moving production to China starting year 2004.
Those speakers are admittedly absolutely gorgeous. Awesome discussion. Agree there is lots of competition around that price point. Would probably get La Scalas near that price. Despite some of these higher end speakers being beautiful, I would ultimately be most moved by just the sound quality.
Ironically, as people get older and have more money to spend on high end equipment, their hearing starts to fade 😁
Thanks for the wonderful review as always. Reviews need to include subjective assessments and that’s what makes you different and fun. I get the fact that these are fairly high end speakers but comparisons with top performers in the VFM segment such as Polk R700 would be useful just to understand the gap between the tiers. Thanks and keep up the good work!
Very nice to see you review top of the line Monitor Audio speakers.
2nd from the top now 😉 Thanks for watching!
Thank you both for taking the time for this review. Well done.
You know what? I think everything in hifi sounds good. You’re probably going to think I’m nuts however I have an insignia NS-STR514 hooked up to a set of Cerwin Vega re-38’s and they raise the hair on my arm’s every time. Never fails. Maybe it’s my hearing. I don’t think I have ever heard a pair of speakers sound bad. I have Klipsch , Fisher, Pioneer, Kenwood, Jbl and Cerwin Vega and love them all. You guys have a great channel here. I watch it every week. In my opinion I feel you guys are pretty much the most professional in talking hifi on TH-cam. Keep up the great work.
JD had to say hey just for that Handsome boy in your profile pic. I’m with you. I love hearing all kinds of different rigs. Those CV’s are probably raising that arm hair physically…😂🍻
Happy Sunday from Ottawa 🇨🇦 and all the best to you, Andrew and Kristi!
Thank you for joining us Matthew!
Great review. Not confusing at all! I especially enjoy your discussions. This really makes your channel stand out.
Firstly, most hardcore audiophiles, at least the wealthier ones, wouldn't consider these or even the latest B&W 800 series to be proper fully-fledged 'high-end' audio.
Brands like Tidal, Kharma, Borresen, Wilson Benesch, Vivid Audio, Rockport, Avalon etc, they are what your Porsche/Ferrari buyer is far more likely to opt for if s/he is as passionate about music as they are about cars.
And while I would agree that speakers at the price level of the MA Platinums or KEF Metas do indeed sound better than ever there is still a significant gap sonically between them and the real cost-no-object stuff. It's nice to sometines imagine that there isn't but it just ain't so...
Finally, I did recently hear at some length the Yamaha NS-2000A that Andrew mentions and I thought they were an absolute knockout. I currently run big active ATCs but I firmly believe you could build an exceptional sounding high value system around the NSs.
Cheers, thx for all your hard work
I’m currently considering buying the Yamaha ns2000a .
Placing each speaker properly into its point in a continuous river of speakers using pricing, looks, build, sound structure, tonality, visual appeal, branding, etc... etc... has got to be the hardest thing to do for a plethora of audiophiles and Robert in Iowa. I think your audience, me included, understand the nuances of these comparisons and appreciate you and Kristy trying to bring all this forward to an understandable review. I think you guys do a fantastic job and I will always look forward to hearing and seeing what comes next.
I really love the conversations you have with your wife regarding HIFI equipment
Another fun part of your reviews is to put the music you mention on my own system and listen for the characteristics you both describe Your reviews are a great resource to experience fun music I did not know existed
I know right? I find myself jotting down these tracks/artists so I can play 'em on my setup.
So glad to hear the two of you do this!
The biggest problem with the Platinums is they look plain. It's very much like a Lexus ES which is just a nice Toyota Camry. Once you're in this price range, not only must your speakers sound good, they also have to look spectacular and be a marvel of modern engineering. The B&W 800s look and sound spectacular. The Focal Sopras look and sound spectacular. The Monitor Platinums look like Monitor Golds with maybe a little more polish.
I have a pair of Monitor Audio's silver 5i from the late 90s that i picked up two or three years ago. Until then i had never heard of the brand and i am well aware that they aren't even in the same universe with the 200s they are my favorite small tower. Sound great with any amp but with the right one they sing! Great review guys!
Monitor audio has tripled the price of their silver line speakers since then.
I had the Silver 8i towers. I wish I still had the Silver 8i towers. That's one speaker I regret selling.
@@wswsn7396 That's because 100GBP from 1997 is now worth 230GBP. It's called inflation.
Awesome review. I really enjoyed your dialogue about the subtle differences of different speakers and even different expectations of the customer at different price ranges. Having you and your wife discuss your individual opinions elevates the value of your reviews.
I am proud owner Monitor Audio Platinum 300 II generation 2, also 4 ohm frequency response 28Hz to 100KHz, these speakers are monsters in the department of Bass, and midrange, I had the choice to go to B&W 802 I chose Monitor audio’s, I heard the new 300 Gen 3 to me they sound the same. Plus the price increased from 18k to 22k , anybody interested these speakers should hunt used ones, platinum 200 gen 2 are also monsters, you can get it good used ones for about 5k.
Very interesting and thought provoking review. I'm running the Monitor Audio Gold 300s with Marantz Model 30 + SACD 30N.
The synergy between the warmth of the Marantz sound and the dynamics and resolution of the Monitor Audios float my boat.
And in UK, Gold 300s are half the price of Platinum 200s and the finish/appearance is equal and equally exquisite. They're also very similar in size.
Don't doubt the Platinum with better amplification will sound 'better' - as you say, the buyer has a reasonable expectation to get more if one pays more.
The question is how much one values the 'improvement' at effectively double the total price?
Keep up the good work guys :)
It's small improvements. You get slightly better motor structure for the bass (same cones though). You get the "tapered midrange chamber". How much will that be audible? Idk. Likely a stronger cabinet.
But at 2.2x the cost it is a lot to swallow
Very good perspective on this review throughout from the both of you! Keep up the good work!
I have the Monitor Audio Platinums speakers, and they are awesome!!
That's great! I think they're really good speakers myself!
Which amp? How they sound in low level volume 60db
Gotta tell you, was not at all interested in these speakers due to the price. But the conversation at the end crystallised for me why this channel is so great. The dichotomy between the two of you means every now and then, we really get a deep dive into some of the big (first world, I know) issues we all have trying to pick one over the other. Andrew really nailed it for me with the analogy of the speakers on an island. We are living in a golden era where there are so many fantastic products. The real issue is can you stop yourself from looking to the left.
The theory you're only as good as the people you work with is exemplified here. Every reviewer would be elevated if they had a Kristi.
Excellent discussion I own the Monitor Audio Gold 100s in Piano Ebony. The line below the Platinums but above the silver. They are bookshelf speakers and look like the top half of those platinum 200s. These aren't anywhere near as expensive as the Platinums. But they are fantastic sounding to me. I'm too poor to touch high end products....but I'm sure those platinums are worth the money sonically.
A wonderful and thoughtful review! I always enjoy Kristi’s input at the end!🥰
The A TEAM in Audio does it again!!!
My father taught me to always remember that in most cases “form follows function.” Thanks for another great review!
I auditioned these a few weeks ago. Coming from a Silver 9i and having heard extensively the Gold 200, I was seriously blown away by these. The depth, air, detail and soundstage and dimensionality of everything sounded amazing. They were laid back and not bright sounding. Really smooth sounding as well. They're on my shortlist of speakers to buy soon. The leap from the Golds to the Platinum is not to be understated. It is a MASSIVE jump in performance across the board.
"high end" is more costlier than ever across all "hobbies" at this point, at a time when a civic SI is 40k+ and an M3 is easily in the 80-100k range, 20k just isn't what it used to be.
In my opinion a high end speaker needs to do more than sound good, it needs to evoke other emotions. Those emotions could be intrigue at something like Walsh, or the hyphens you mentioned, or just admiration at the beauty and craftsmanship of something like these platinums. I think that is what differentiates these speakers from the lower monitor audio lines or something like a R700, they are truly beautiful and are designed to be more of a piece of furniture instead of a simple speaker. The hyphens make you ask "what is that?" while the platinums just make you admire their beauty. To go back to your car reference, these are a porsche cayman GTS, you can order one, it will come eventually, and it will be incredibly well made and competent, without having the exclusivity of a GT4.
Late to comment. But to answer a few questions… 1. NO, a sub is NOT needed for music. 2. To bridge the gap from mid to high end speakers requires, for me, that they be designed, engineered and built ALL IN house, drivers and all. And to Andrews point, YES, logistics DO matter at the “higher end” of things. I have been a B&W fan boy for decades for these reasons. I LOVE Andrew’s honest and pragmatic approach to his reviews. He keeps things REAL (even taking risks doing so, 606 S2s anyone), and I keep coming back and respecting him more for it. BRAVO ANDREW!!!
If you design well around decent drivers it's fine.
A sub or two can be beneficial. Nothing is really "needed". Some people get by with a 3" full range. Some get by with phone speakers.
Brave review. You’re right on with your perspective. At $14K and made in China, it’s priced for perfection and doesn’t quite deliver.
Big league review Andrew. I'm thrilled that you continue to venture into true high end speakers and components. You may want to try to get your hands on a pair of Paradigm Persona 3f or 5f speakers. I promise that paired with Anthem STR integrated (sister brand to Paradigm) and a quality subwoofer (10 or 12') the Personas will be on your wow list. The AMT tweeter in the Platinum 200 delivers excellent detail, but is a bit pronounced depending on the recording. The Personas have Beryllium midrange and tweeter, they deliver crystal clear transparency without harshness or bringing too much attention to the speaker rather than the music. I fully understand your struggle with high cost speakers and components (above $10k) in comparison with those in the sweet spot of $3-6K, that deliver 85% of the higher cost items. However, for those of us who can afford the higher cost items that deliver a 10 to 15% sonic improvement they're worth it. So please, don't give up on the high end. Thank you both.
Loved the final debate with Kristy, thanks for the effort and heart put in each episode!
Good convo. Was a bit surprised after the Polk R700 conversation to not have that as part of this one. Looks like the fit and finish of this is nicer. The Polk has a similar two bass drivers, one mid, one tweeter set up. Would you say spending more for the music is worth it, or is your convo really at this price you are past the music portion and just really care about the ego part of owing something like this?
My current speakers (Martin Logan XT B100s - which I purchased based on this channel's review) are amazing. Simply wonderful. I love them. They are made in China. Am I ok with that? Yes. They are however $1600 a pair and I know that I'm getting a mass-manufactured commodity. While they sound amazing and I'm perfectly happy, I went in with the goal of sound and value trumping any other aspects. If I'm going to drop $14k for a luxury item like speakers, my mindset is altogether different. Value is not what I'm looking for at that price bracket. They better freaking be hand made by the company that designed them, not sub-contracted out. The problem is when you drop that kind of money on a luxury item, people want a romantic/human story or connection with whatever it is they are buying. They want a less industrially produced product, and want something with a purposeful human touch. Scarcity is part of that (Andrew used to term "exclusive"), but really it's only scarce or exclusive because that kind of bespoke work doesn't scale to industrial proportions.
Sub-contracting out your manufacturing is fine when you are moving product as a commodity, it is not fine however when you are trying to tap into something else like Andrew alluded to with Ferrari. People drop more money on hand made furniture or handbags because the buyer can imagine the passion and work happening by some skilled tradesperson in a boutique workshop. When something says "Made in China" it's almost impossible to conjure up the same idea for whatever the product is. Someday that perception may change (just like it did with Japanese products), but for now that is a massive ding against this product unfortunately.
I own the Anthem STR integrated with the MA Platinum II 200 and even do mine are last models, what you described is more or less IMO applicable to the PL II200. Other than getting a great deal when I purchase them my priority was on speakers with no treble fatigue, controlled articulated bass and these are definitely that. I do get what you meen on the competition at this price point, but I will say I am one of the few that likes more traditional look than WOW factor on speaker looks. Great review like always, thanks.👍👍
Love seeing higher end reviews like this! For my take at this price point a buyer should expect a great sounding speaker, even if the sound signature has a slightly different profile to other speakers in the same range. To an extent it comes down to cabinetry and the visual signature as much as the sound. Ferrari is a great example of that as you mentioned. Pininfarina matters as much as Binnoto.
Good morning, great review and topic. I bought the Klipsch Cornwall IVs after the review from you guys as well as listening to them first. For me, jumping from mid tier to high end it has to have a unique sound as well as design. For the price of these, they don't stand out from others of lesser price. My expectation is that I'm getting that wow factor visually and sonically.
I love my silver 300s, your review is what pushed me towards them
The Silver Series is GREAT!
As someone who (finally) took delivery of a pair of Wilson speakers, it was pride of ownership; Wilson was always an aspirational brand to me. I cross shopped SabrinaX against Magico A3s, and while the Magicos didn’t sound as good to me, the sound itself didn’t justify spending an additional 6k on the Wilsons. It was the other intangibles I mentioned that sealed the deal.
Here's a possible line of discussion. How to achieve great sound cheaper. Modern super high end speakers often are becoming speaker 'arrays' with each of the driver components being installed in it's own enclosure and the boxes being connected by wiring. Extreme example is the Wilson Audio Chromosonic. I was shopping high end(to me) and was looking at the Revel 328Be. Well, $18000 is not going to happen. I ended up with 2 M126Be on open box sale at $2400 plus an SVS SB3000 at $1100, and for 20 per cent of the cost I think I'm getting 80 per cent of the performance. I get the Revel mid and high plus a sub that digs to 18 Hz. I ended up in this direction despite my bias towards floor standers, many of which only go to about 40 Hz due to the modern trend of multiple smaller woofers. If I was going to end up with a sub anyway, I got a Stereophile class A sub with lots of tuning options(via the app) that made it easy to integrate into my system for a fairly seamless 'product'.
I believe that over bracing the inside of the cabinet looses some bloom in the music. Cabinet resonance isn’t always a bad thing. It is also, a frequency.
I have some of the older Platinum 100 MKII, and they are exceptional. I also owned some older Platinum PL200 MKI and again exceptional, however they did NOT like a small room. The newer Platinums, like the newer Silver Series may have fixed the positioning issues of old? You could not bung the rear port on the PL200 MKI, so controlling rear firing bass was difficult. The first time I heard the Platinum, it was the PL300 in a huge cavernous demonstration room playing Interstellar tracks by Hans Zimmer. The scale was nothing like anything I'd ever heard. It filled the whole room with thunderous sound and a sense of huge dimensionality unheard of. To this day I have not heard better. I love the Platinum series. I still prefer the look of the MKII series, but that is subjective. Awesome speakers though.
I just upgraded this week from the current Silver 500s to the Gold 300s. Wow! The Gold is incredible. I kind of wish Andrew had reviewed this model instead of the Platinum, as it reportedly offers a similar sound, works with a greater range of amplifiers (I’m using mine with an 80 watt per channel Cary tube amp in a large room), and it’s quite a bit ‘cheaper.’
Good to know about the Gold. Maybe at a later date we'll have to check those out too!
I had MA gold 300 5G and I like it very much
Fantastic review. Great episode. Yes, a lot of different things can be true.
The divide between hi end and mid fi is increasing getting closer. You should do a group test comparing b&w 804. kef reference 3, Sonus Faber Olympics Nova and possibly revel Performa 3 be
Hi Andrew and Kristi,
I am still in love with my Kef R11 Metas paired with my Rogue Audio Cronus Magnum III and changed the preamp tube 12AU7 side to a Vintage Telefunken ECC82 smooth smooth plate 1950-1960s version. This thing is a Killer. By comparison, i had the Monitor Audio Golds before likewise the Elysian 4's.
Happy Sunday, good people! Nice to see another Anthem piece on your bench. Looking forward to hearing your thoughts on the STR line. Your review of the MRX 740 convinced me to hold my money until the fan noise and mobile app issues are sorted.
In the realm of speakers, neutrality is the real value (my fiancée is a brass player). With that in mind, I outfitted us with a kit of Cambridge Audio SX-80s and Aeros on stands, with the SX-70 center. I know this is a budget kit, but to my ears, it’s 85% of the Wharfdale sound for pennies on the dollar.
It’s all about putting your money where it’s most valuable. We might want to go to Tokyo to hear some jazz, or spend a weekend in Berlin with the Philharmonic…
I bought the Mission 770's made in England and though I haven't heard these, I can't imagine they are $9000 better.
MA Gold would be the comparison. But, floorstanders vs stand mount. Maybe PL100? But it's smaller than Mission.
Hi! I made some speakers in the past and can only say this: The more time and money you spend on parts and construction, the better the end result will be. On the other hand these high-end marvels have one Achilles heel, they need an amp with the power to control those drivers. I solve that dilemma by using good quality monitors with a sub or two. It is also more easy to place in my room and I can use a tube amp, thus saving a lot of my precious income. I don't think we need a Ferrari to enjoy driving, and I don't think we need to spend 14 000$ to have a great listening experience. Thanks!
Yes I had the same experience with Dynaudio. I adore my contour 30, although you need Powerplant to get the best out of them.
Thanks for sharing your experience!@@dudemastermaster8944
Hi Andrew and Kristi,
How would you say the Platinum range compares to Perlisten's range?
They seem to have similar characteristics in some regards.
Which did you ultimately prefer for your taste?
Hi Andrew and Kristi, another great review and discussion. It would be interesting to see you guys review something from the KEF Reference line which would be comparable price wise against these Monitor Audio Platinum series and in light of the fact you love your KEF R11's.
We're discussing it and want to see for ourselves how the two compare.
Looking forward to it! I would definitely be interested in learning what 3x the price gets you in performance improvement between the comparable size KEF R series vs the Reference series speakers. @@andrewrobinsonreviews
I've been requesting the reference line for years. The issue is not on our end.
I love Kristi's input 👍 Great review again guys 💯
I love it too!
Everyone has there own preference when it comes down to what the speaker looks like, how it performs, etc... If I was to say my personal preference I like sleeper speakers. A sleeper speaker to me doesn't have a weird eye catching design, don't stand out, and you look at it and it just looks like a normal speaker to most people, but when you get them going your like holy shit that incredible. Everyone forgets there is never going to be a perfect speaker for everyone, it's based on the individual perception. I'm glad that Andrew and Kristi do these reviews to try to get people to look out side of the box to see what's possible.
These speakers seem to float around in the same world as the Revel Proforma F226BE. At least in my simplistic head the Revels are every bit as subjectively special. Same general driver layout, same country of manufacture I believe, on sale now for less than half the price.
Beyond budget by..... A LOT. But enjoying the video as always and unlike most lazy TH-cam viewers on every channel, I always hit the like 👍 button. Thank you and Kristi. Keep em coming 🤗
Thank you !!
Appreciate you saying that and thank you so much for spending time with us this morning!
This tier is right where I am. It doesn’t get enough attention because a lot of people focus on the attention grabbing high end and the more accessible stuff for most people. I think it’s a good place to start looking for diminishing returns and am in paralysis by analysis mode.
Your comments on how to tweek preamps settings to improve some older recordings, helps setting up the equalization on different presets
I think a problem with Monitor Audio selling in the U.S. is taxes and dealer markups. The Platinum 200 is £9K here in the UK with the KEF R11 Metas being available for £5.5K and B&W 803 D4 being £14K and 802 D4 £24K. I believe this shifts the balance of price per performance and expectations a bit here in the UK and places the PL200 more accurately in the rankings.
B&W 802 D4 £14K a pair?? Really!?
@@FelipeMunoz-re9bz Sorry, was meant to write 803 D4 £14K
Math class time, I googled this. 9,000 Pounds sterling equals
$11,145.74 United States Dollars, like he said, a 10 ish thousand dollar speaker, I assume the reference to being manufactured in a different country, shipping is a factor, whether it's purchased in the U.K. or the U.S. I might be wrong, but I would also imagine tariffs would not be introduced in this case. Let's look at the B&W 805 D4 at 7 K in the UK, and $8,500 in the US. Lets Google that, let's see 7,000 pounds = 8,668.42 United States Dollar, an almost straight exchange, no tariffs added to a product made in the UK. The Naim Classic 200 system, 17,100 in the UK, in that video, they correctly thought it would cost 21K USD, the price is 27K in the US. I'm not sure if calling them out is intentional, but I like what these 2 are doing, they have our backs. Great products but why the premium price? I don't think he's saying 14 k is too much for great speakers, I think he's throwing hints, saying, guys, watch your cash, you might be getting short changed, you should be getting some change back from your 14K for this particular model.
@@JC-qc5nx I think it is a shame because I believe Monitor Audio is a great brand providing exceptional value in the UK but I feel that the additional costs being added to customers in the USA is not helping their status within that market. It is also worth noting that the UK prices include 17.5% tax which will not be included on exports and correct me if I am wrong but isn't he average VAT only 9% in the USA which really does land the PL200 as a $10k speaker.
spot on, people dont understand that the gap between a good and amazing system is a grand canyon of spending, the amp, the cords and stair step of speakers.
Good review and love the dialogue after even more. There's nuance to everything. Everyones ear is different as well as their wallets.
Context could be strengthened by looping back when comparing the others you mentioned by providing your takes on the issues of impedence, sensitivity, how finicky these and the others play with other amps/gear, warranty, resale (depreciation), and doing this is an excel chart format. Since gear changes all the time, I for one do not like gear that does not play well with many, various types of amps. The 14 grand for example might be much easier ro swallow if the speakers were for example 94 sensitive, and sounded great on many amps less than 10 grand. Also with the rapid advances in class D for example, it would be great to see how these sound moving that direction. I'm very grateful for your channel. Great review and summary from you both!
I absolutely agree about this speaker. It’s lovely looking, but for their price, it feels definitely way too “usual” or standard if you will. I love sound as much as I love design and build. That’s why B&Ws Diamonds are so popular, because not only they sound damn good, they look absolutely insane. I don’t care where the speaker is built, so long it’s done well. I’ve seen some really badly built things come from UK Germany, and some incredibly well built things in China. That being said, it does make it feel special when such an expensive piece of gear is built in house where the brand comes from, where their engineers see the actual build process themselves in person, hand labor, is still better than robots. Argue all you want, but it just is, because humans care. Even if B&W Diamond was identical in price and sound, I’d choose B&W 100 times of 100 because of design and being built by hand.
In terms of question of the day, I think B&W has it spot on! Every higher line, starts at below the top speaker of the line below. I think that’s spotless pricing and all brands should do it the same way.
Love this conversation! Great video and review! Thank you guys and hope you and everyone else is having a lovely Sunday!
I 100% agree with you and love your take! Have a great rest of your day and glad to hear the news the other day turned out to be a false alarm. Be well!
@@andrewrobinsonreviews thank you!
The Silver 500 7G is probably the best value full range speaker bar none.
Very good frequency response, dispersion and very low distortion.
I'd like to see a video where Kristi list hers favorite speakers that have great vocal clarity since that's her area of interest, and it would be useful for everyone.
Noted! thanks for watching!
Well done! 🎉 I'm interested to know if you will be reviewing the Gold towers.
My word they look amazing, nice review team!
Personally I don't have a problem with the product being made in China if it is done right. What I have a problem with, is someone building it in China where you know they can probably build this speaker for a total of maybe $3k and then selling it for $14k.
Congrats, you just described most speakers ;p;
Usually only local "small" builders will give you 50% of cost in drivers and crossover and a large chunk in cabinet.
What you two did in this video is great. The deep thinking you guys provoked should be left to each individuals, whether they think it has the special sauce in terms of aesthetics is imo best left up to them. Because even the most perfect speakers for $14,000, one will likely grow bored of them over time.
Personally I agree with all that you said, it is a gorgeously crafted speakers but it looks too much of a speaker. I can see others feel they are gorgeous but bland. As for me, a speaker lover I just love and appreciate 'em. It's that simple.
Hope you review the new Monitor Audio Gold 6G also.
Bought the 300 yesterday
Driving them with Leema Tucana mk2 anniversary edition.
Instant loudspeakers
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Thank you for the awesome review! Curious if you will be reviewing the Totem Metal V2 speakers one day? Would love to hear both your thoughts. The speakers have no crossover.
Thanks for taking the risk to have such a broad discussion.
I love the clarity & the question evolving from that clarity that Kristi brings to the review. The perception of value & what the components of that perception in the 2023, especially if you wish to sell that product. Andrew makes valid points, which i happen to agree with. There are political elements to the equation, whether rational or not.
Good morning, guys. I agree with your review I love monitor audio ..
Thanks for watching, we love MA too.
Can't wait to hear your opinion on the Anthem Integrated and Classé stereo amp. Here's hoping you're able to audition the PS Audio aspen FR20, Yamaha NS-5000 and Totem Acoustic Element Metal v2.
The 20+ year old JBL HLS centre, Wharfedale MFM-5's, tiny Jamo rears and an entry level Yamaha sub powered by an Onkyo TX-SR393 is great for my needs.
I feel purchasing overkill components is more for status than effect!
That's fair, appreciate you weighing in!
The chair I'm sitting in cost more than the entire setup.
Big chat in this review, love the spicy points ❤
Danke!
Thank you!
Great review and Andrew always makes his comments in context
I've heard the MA platinum 200s. These (and the 300s) are superb for the money. I only buy for the sound speakers make and how much they make want to dance, overall, I slightly preferred the sound of the R11 meta. However in isolation I can happily live until I die with speakers of this calibre. No need to spend more. Having worked in studios most of my life i feel that after this one needs to listen to the likes of Genelec, Kii 3 BTX, ATC and PMC (or USA equivalent) as they give that absolute neutrality. With Genelec Ones plus a sub one can also buy their SAM software to sort your room idiosyncrasies out. My conclusion, after listening to these, that it is the recording itself that is the root problem, and, there's nothing you can do about that. BTW if I had the money to chose it will be Porsche all the way. Costs less, more reliable, cheaper to repaire, more comfortable at doing the same thing and they can be used every day. Great review again.
do you think the Anthem STR would be a good pairing for these speakers? you recommend it and I´m looking between the platinum 200 and 300, do you think it will be able to drive them well.
One of the advantages of the Wharfedale is that they are much less amplifier fussy. I drive mine with a 12.5 watt 300b tube amp and a 215w solid state and they sound great with both.
I would certainly not describe them as lumbering at all.