I just love you man!!! You're the FIRST TH-camR/guntuber I've heard that actually said a product was too pricey when referring to the FX unit. I've had guntubers hide my comments in their channel because I said the same thing about products their are pimpin. I can't stand it when guntubers try to convince shooters that they need to pay these crazy high prices just to improve their kit.
I have a Magneto Sporter, and I made a mount for it using an old Caldwell front shooting rest. The bag was removed and I drilled a hole in it and mounted the Magnetospeed to it. It works and a lot cheaper than the commercial made mounts for it.
An excellent example of empirical testing. I used a Labradar extensively when first launched and found it to be overly sensitive to direction etc. and wouldn’t record my 22-284 95g projectiles nor .17 HMR or 0.17 centrefires, so sold it on. Some months later I bought another together with the external microphone as mentioned by you with a sucker pad attached to the rifle stocks. This particular device now worked splendidly and records everything and of course using the Doppler feature it’s direction pointing is not so critical. I also use a battery pack, so no issues there. However I think it needs a revamp in overall size as you mention plus Bluetooth connectivity etc.
Have a Lab R, got ball joint to attach to it got a square piece of 3/8" thick nylon and mounted it to the ball unit, works great, and one great feature is the large display screen for us older guys. One great feature is that you can get a trigger sensor for the LR, change the doppler to trigger setting, and I never use AA batteries, use power supply like yours. Now I see the new Garmin unit, pocket size and they work great I hear, will let you know if I pull the trigger. The new Garmin will be the best of the bunch down the road I think, and price comparable to LR. Great video showing us all the options between the 3 you showed. Thx, 👍👍👍👍
The Lab Radar may be better because it has variable trigger type and sensitivity, so if you're at a busy outdoor range other shooters don't trigger it. You can also change trigger type to a plug in cable which velcros to your firearm. Also has a plug in for an external power supply. If the FX had those features it would be more attractive. It's a chore and sucks for prone, but I have had an Oehler35p for decades.
Good morning, I have the magnetospeed and for around 20 buck I made a simple attachment the connect on a bottom picatinny rail making the magnetospeed float solidly and not touching the barrel. Works great.
I've had the Magneto Speed V3 and Sporter, and the Lab Radar I now own the Bulletseeker/Speedseeker due to its small size and versatility. I can actually mount it on rifles and shoot a stage with it own the rifle.
@@leeviwerner4629 yes and no. or maybe. It picks up 9x19 and 308 well, but has probs with smaller bullets, e.g. 233 FMJ 8g standard ball. At least get the extra funnel/atenna/gatherer horn that I do not have
I have a new LabRadar with an external trigger and external battery. It great and has not missed a shot hardly for me. I mainly shoot 223’s and it has just never missed a beat for me.
Great info as always. I had my doubts but got my answer now: Mostly local pistol shooting so the lab will be my unit . Fortunately my old chrony chronograph still working and my club has few Labradors. So I am covered. You just saved my money Ray .
@@randomidiot8142 I read that a few guys on SnipersHide we’re having some issues that turned me away. The Labradar came available on Midway a week or two ago so I went ahead and picked one up. I also grabbed a couple JKL recoil triggers since I’ve read those help a lot with not missing shots.
@@XRING I hope you don’t encounter any issues. Like I commented above, I read that a few guys on SnipersHide we’re having some issues that turned me away. The Labradar came available on Midway a week or two ago so I went ahead and picked one up. I also grabbed a couple JKL recoil triggers since I’ve read those help a lot with not missing shots.
Thank You Sir! It is great to learn about the advantages and best settings for each unit. Magnetospeed is honoring a warranty or replacement policy for a friend of mine who owns a sporter. The 3.5mm jack in the black box with LED display got loose or disconnected. This good customer service by Magneto Speed. 👍🇺🇸
While I agree with setup time, the Oehler 35P is the graph that all the others are rated against. I dont have an issue with setup, I can normally get mine set-up during a cold line without issue. I've had my 35P for almost 30 years, and it's still as accurate or better than what's available now. But if time is an issue, or simplicity of set-up is what you're looking for, the 35P is not for you. You can speed up the set-up of the 35P by labeling the screens 1, 2, & 3, bungling the cables together and placing a mark (red tape) on the bundled cable to mark the distance to place the first screen.
I've had centerfire suppressors dump carbon into my action and chamber as well. I've started leaving an empty fired case in the chamber to catch the carbon. It helps a lot.
The timing of this video is great. I just went through the process of choosing a chrono and these 3 plus the Mach4 and one you didn't mention, the andiscan were what I looked at. In the end I went for the magneto speed for simplicity, ruggedness, accuracy and cost.
With suppressor no need to push the muzzle out. Radars parallel to muzzle ok. Some even take it backwards two inches. Only with muzzle breaks nonparallel so that the blast will not hurt the device.
An informative video as all yours are. I’ve had a LabRadar for some time and it works fine for how I use it. I’ve never installed a battery and always use the external pack. I made my own stand using an inexpensive ball tripod head. I have also always used a recoil operated trigger that attaches to a small Picatinny rail section on a handguard or chassis or just taping it in place on my ancient 52E using easily-removed electrical tape. As for mounting the Magneto Speed with the Gray Ops mount on a Picatinny rail, there are inexpensive adapters to go from Arca to Pic and the reverse. I have adapters so I can use a Ckye-Pod with Arca head on an AR and an Atlas bipod with Pic head with an Arca rail.
Glad to see the FX doing we'll especially considering how new it is! Also it is a must have for the FX to consistently register quiet guns considering I will be using it for alot of Airgun tuning/testing.
I put my Labradar in front of the barrel when I'm using a suppressor, since it needs the muzzle blast to activate the radar. There is a mode to trigger the measurement with the radar but I've never used it, because I expect it will quickly drain the battery. The other thing is that the Dopplers measure the velocity from 25-100 yards in front of the barrel and EXTRAPOLATE that back to muzzle velocity. There must be some assumptions made in that process which might explain some of the difference in readings between the units.
What about the Andiscan 2 from Czechoslovakia. I have one along with a Magnetospeed 3. I have tested them alongside a Labradar and have found all of them within 3-7 ft/sec of each other. The andiscan 2 is about the size of the Labradar screen and is very portable and accurate.
Thanks Ray! Finally a best of video without the annoying computer voice and obviously non native English speaking script!😎 (with a no name Chinese product on top)
well, I use a MK set up on my MagnitoSpeed, which is very similar to the Gray Ops used here. What is not shown is the time to set-up and adjust the the Grey Ops/Mk to guarantee shot pick-up and not damage he MagnetoSpeed. I have also found the I often have to readjust when changing rifles due to barrel length or chassis/stock type. For the money its still hard to beat the MagnetoSpeed V3
Thanks Larry. I have the MK as well. The Grey Ops takes less than 5 seconds for me to setup for each individual rifle or chassis. No tools are needed and is extremely fast from platform to platform. 👍🏼
I actually stopped using it because was the older one where I always needed a hex wrench to adjust it. The Grey Ops is so fast, It really is the best one for me.
Great video and very good information. The chronograph I have is the Andiscan v2 which is also a doppler radar. The great thing about the Andiscan is the size. It’s ever smaller than the FX and can be mounted to the rifle.
Great review! I've had the LabRadar and Magnetospeed chonographs for 2 to 3 years now. My practice range is full of baffles, posts and concrete making it difficult for doppler. I'm guessing, if you have a wide open range it shouldn't be an issue. For example, while doing a 10 shot ladder test, the LabRadar won't pick up 2 to 3 shots. I've used the JKLprecision trigger, set the unit up and aimed it many, many different ways according to what others have tried without much success. It'll work for a number of shots, then stop picking up. I think it's a good unit but my range is giving it problems. Just my 2 cents.
I want to get into reloading. I’ve been stocking up supplies for a while now. Primers, powders, die sets. I’ve also been looking at the magneto speed. I like how easy it looks to attach and use.
If you are worried about accuracy, then the Magnetospeed isn't ideal as by default you need to attach it to the barrel. It screws up group sizes and results in a POI shift. You can measure speed, but only speed, you need to remove it to do accuracy testing or zeroing. If you can attach it to an external rail (ARCA or Picatinny), then that fixes that, but you need to have every firearm set up to take that attachment system.
Had I known you were going to do this comparison which is awesome ,,, I would have sent you one of those cheap Amazon rigs to compare I usually go for the cheap crap and wish I had a good comparison with a quality setup
Excellent comparison Ray. I have a Labradar and really enjoy it. The FX does seem intriguing but if they could price it at the same price as the Labradar (if they could) it would be a no brainier. I have contemplated adding a magneto speed but I don't necessarily want to carry around an extension. Time will tell but having one of the three is awesome but in a perfect world I do believe that having both a magneto speed and a Doppler based system would be a well rounded setup for any environment.
Ray iv been following for long time used to watch youre streams with rick before retirement. I finally set up my 308 top loader. I bought arken 4-16 for $224, i didnt know what you meant by they are fuzzy on edges. I notice on 13 power edges are are FUZZY no issues. Be enough a litt better for clower range than on my 10x swfa
Hello Tylar, Thanks you for supporting the channel and for watching the channel. Arken has really come a long ways and in the scope industry and does make a good product for the money. What you observe is common in most scopes that are in that price point. It really doesn’t matter as long as the scope tracks well and you can see your target. I’m glad you were able to get your setup together. Thanks again for the comment and have a great week. Best regards
This was really helpful. I was looking at the magnetospeed but wasn’t sure how good it was. Unfortunately I’d be mostly using it with ARs so I’d have to make some kind of a rail mount, but I think I could figure it out.
Great video!! Magnetospeed V3 Rail adapater @ $25. I ordered this along with the V3 and it works decently on pistols if you have a front rail. Pretty quick & easy to attach & detach once that's on there and can even make things better with some rifles, and not needing to wrap to the barrel.
Also...just ordered the Wiser mount...@ $190 and it will accept both the Sporter AND V3...as well as Pic or ARCA capable. Also, it's now (since 2022) all aluminum and steel parts, no longer printed (according to their video). Must have! Thanks again for the vid. You just made my Magnetos the better choice for me.
Thank you 🙏! This was a great review. I have a Magento Speed. I absolutely love it. Your review has really convinced me that for the type of shooting I am doing the Magento Speed is exactly what I need. I do need to get that bayonet adapter you are using.
Can’t use a LabRadar at my range. You’re required to shoot in a “baffle box” and the lab radar cannot be put in a position inside the box to pick up the velocity. My Magnetospeed has worked flawlessly for years now as long as it is set up properly. I would like to see this product get a little more engineering with the mount, but it works. Thanks for the info on the True Ballistics.
I feel you left out a lot of information about the FX unit. The fact that it can read velocity at 25yard increments out to 100 yards and display calculated BC is huge for competitive shooters. It also explains why it’s slower to output the speed.
The web site says "four different velocities readings from 0 - 300 yards", so not every 25 yards. Am I misunderstanding something? It does sound like it's encroaching on the Applied Ballistics PDM: not quite there, but pretty darned close!
My Magnetospeed sporter works perfectly fine with a rimfire, you just need to set the sensitivity to high. I know the website says different but I have not had any issues with using it on my 22's. In case anyone was wondering.
A lot of us competition shooters are using barrels that are larger then 1” in diameter. The sporter will not adjust close enough to the bore to read the bullet when shot across the sensor. The V3 was designed to be used with larger diameter barrels, along with suppressors. That’s what he’s was talking about.
Yes, you put the suppressor even with the Doppler radar. Like the instructions say. And when using a muzzle brake that vents to the rear, you need to put it on the operator side of the unit. When using a brake the vents straight to the sides, you can put it in front of it. Clearly you use a brake that vents to the rear so you're hitting that labradar with all that gas and concussion. It's literally in the directions.
Gee, thanks for sharing. It was very informative. While I do not shoot competition traveling with a unit is not an issue. Basically, I am only concerned about velocity when I am working up a load for my pistols or rifles and I have been using an Oehler P35. However, setting up the screens at a public range is a pain so I am looking for something easier and cost effective.
The fact that the 2 mounts you mentioned cost as much as the Magnetospeed Sporter and more than half of the cost of the V3!! I'm all for spending for nice quality but when the mounts are costing this much it is time for someone to start making $100 mounting setups which would still make a great return on investment and bring prices back down to earth.
Just came inside from shooting my Polish AK pistol and right at dusk it's almost like having a flashbang go off every time you touch the trigger...! Practical... Absolutely not but it's fun!
should re-release this with an additional section on the end for the Garmin Xero. kinda looks like it's the new obvious choice for anyone willing to spend more than a few hundred bucks.
I did a whole video release on the Xero. Actually before anyone else. Garmin 901, SIG 10k, Christensen MPR and the Guardian Team match. th-cam.com/video/ocpu0ktMrbk/w-d-xo.html
ALL of these are so much easier to set up and use than the old school chronographs, but I don't think we have seen the world beating do all chrono....yet. The Magnetospeed not being pistol friendly knocked it out of contention for our situation. While the Labradar isn't perfect, it has been useful for everything we have wanted to chrono. I don't even bother with the onboard batteries on the Labradar anymore. The battery pack just works so much better.
Great video... BUT.. you should have used a traditional cronograph like caldwell, you might not like to use them, but its not about what YOU like to use, its for the viewers... plus the magneto speed cant really be used on pistols making a.. Caldwell crono a good all around to compare with the labradar etc.. (not in love with a traditional crono, but it is a traditional standby and affordable, seeing a spread with those would be nice.)
Im still running my Magnetospeed sporter for the last 5 years. Not saying it’s the best but it works. At this point mine is held together with electrical tape 😂
Great video XRing, I’m due for another chronograph myself. My 1st one jumped right in front of a bullet & took one right in its display it’s first time out. Would you believe that😬😂. I’m liking the Lab radar but as you said I’m sure it eats batteries quickly. Thanks for sharing.
Nice review Ray. I had an early LabRadar with the plate like yours and a case. I sold it as I found it too cumbersome to use. Today, I don't have any chronograph.
Lab radar pros : work on archery setup, easier to set up from different rifles at the range Magneto speed pro : work for shotgun .. Con: pita to setup to different rifles at the range. . I use my lab radar 90% off the time compare to my v3
I have mixed feelings about you reviewing this (true ballistics). I want to see it reviewed, but I don’t want it to be out of stock cause I want mine! It looks like a good chronograph, I look forward to the review. Edit: I agree about the price on the FX. I think for the FX to be competitive with the Labradar, you need to have a comparable product at a lower price, or a superior product at a similar price.
I have a lab radar and its ok but not great its has a hard time tracking small calibers past 70 yards and the app and interface is pretty bad and it hasn't been updated in 2 years so as a company im not impressed with the labradar.
I have the Magnetospeed v3 and it works great for my rifles. I do shoot several varmint calibers (22-250 Rem. and 17 Hornet) with reloads that can go over 3900 fps. I know LabRadar has a 3900 fps limit, but what about the FX?
@@briansupermag3918 Did you make it to the end of the video? He says he has close friends that have them and they are way off on the FPS output and they wished they didn't buy them.
Hello X-Ring, another function of the Labradar, which you did not mention in the video, allows the measurement of up to 5 bullet velocities at different distances up to 100 m. Whether this is really a big advantage I would like to leave undecided. In any case, it is a "nice to have". I think I will buy a Magenetospeed V3. I hope that the Gray Ops mount will also be available in Austria. At the moment I am in contact with Grey Ops. Many greetings from Austria, Hans
Downrange velocity is a good measurement if you are trying to measure BC. It works pretty well. I've calculated BC and use it to predict downrange velocities later on and it worked.
What is the brand and name of the arca rail adapter (precision carbon fiber mount) or the metal one to work with the Magneto chronograph? I shoot rifles with chassis in .22, .308 & 6.5 creed.
Nothing like the FX out there now. It's value is not in the simple testing here, It's the fact that it can calculate BC. You need to know the speed downrange of a bullet to do that. Can the Magneto tell me what the speed of a bullet is at 100 yards?
great info but very turned off with lack of personal eye safety. LabRadar is a great tool. don't need all the attachment accesories of the magneto version. The Caldwell shoot thru with illuminatora works well in all / dark light conditions and far cheaper. most come with some cellphone app to improve readout an calculations.
Exactly! I was trying to find the velocity that most copper jackets would spin off. I found it! 😂 Depending on manufacturer it varies from 1350-1500 and then she’s coming apart Scottie! 😆
That magneto speed is at a real loss, compared to the LabRadar & FX Radar which show up to 5 different range nodes of velocity ( including muzzle)- this allows you to make corrections to the output results on ballistic apps for long range use. The magneto only gives you the velocity at the muzzle. I've got the lab Radar and I'm definitely not putting a grand down on that cheap looking fx Radar with a tiny dark screen. Never had an issue with battery life on the LabRadar....and to have a lit up bigger screen I can actually view easily makes up for the longer set up time for me personally.
Probably a dumb question, but trying to compare their relative velocity readings would be nearly impossible right? Because the second the bullet leaves the barrel its slowing down, so aince neither can be dialed in to take a velocity at the exact same point in flight, youre naturally going to have some deviation. What if the 4fps difference is just simply one chrono reading 1 foot or 6 inches further in flight? Just curious, i understand what doplar radar is but im not certain on how its sort of aimed.
I bought a Lab Radar a few months ago. Its been a little troublesome. Don't think it will come anywhere close to the longevity of my Ohler 35P 35 years and still going.
Great testing as always. There's one thing that I would've liked to have seen tested. Since alot of us shoot at a range with other shooters, how would they all be affected? I know the Labradar picks up others shots when armed sometimes, so you have to use a recoil trigger. Does the FX have the same problem?
My labradar is a frustrating thing. I've not been able to master placement of the device such that it will consistently read shots. I have had it pick up other rounds too like you said. The range I shoot on is actually cut into the side of a PA mountain so it's open on one side and rock on the other. I do seem to get better results when I'm away from that rock wall. But then I'm sitting in the full sun....LOL. First world problems! LOLOL
None of the reviews I've seen have taken into account a range setting where there are other shooters around you. My question is if it will discriminate between your rifle and the shooters around you. The Magnetospeed would be fine of course, but what of the radar units?
Depends how big the rifle is next to you and how brutal the muzzle brake. If you have a girl with a .22 a few meters away, it works ok, but if you have somebody with a 50 and a massive brake then it will trigger it. The Labradar uses the muzzle blast to switch on the radar.
@@farmerbrown84 Yeah - I'd like to see a real world review of both side by side and how they handle the situation. Most people don't have the luxury of a dedicated range where they can shoot alone.
I have done a ton of research and just can't decide between LabRadar and Magnetospeed V3. Any recommendations on one vs other? I mainly will test my 6.5 rifle and .22LR rifle.
My LabRadar shuts down when used with muzzle breaks. I have tried placing the unit in front of the gun, I've tried "triggers", ive removed the "sd" card (recommended from manufacturer, nothing seems to help. Seems to work well with barrels with no muzzel break.🤔🤔 I'll take any advise😊
Comparing all these units, how would you determine the accuracy of each unit? Is there any way to actually measure the bullet velocity for a true reading, or are they close enough that it does not matter?
@@XRINGyes I noticed, thanks for responding. , what I meant was add one of the old style cronos (the ones that use light) to compare results, for us old timers who now have the old style so we can see if it's worth upgrading Thank you
Thanks for putting this out there and helpful for sure. I'm somewhat new to load development sounds like the MS V3 may be the best value option on the market -- especially if coupled with a third-party mount/extension of some sort. However, my question is will the MS V3 affect the POI in any way ** even ** if free floated via a chassis mount or extension? Does the bayonet sensor, being so close to the projectile, affect the bullet flight path in any way? I dunno? So asking those far more experienced than myself. Thanks.
Thanks for watching Darrel and great question. As long as you are using an extension we have seen zero shift in impacts from having the bayonet close to the bullet. With or without it will produce the same impacts as long as the standoff is used. Thanks for asking a great question.
I just love you man!!!
You're the FIRST TH-camR/guntuber I've heard that actually said a product was too pricey when referring to the FX unit. I've had guntubers hide my comments in their channel because I said the same thing about products their are pimpin. I can't stand it when guntubers try to convince shooters that they need to pay these crazy high prices just to improve their kit.
I have a Magneto Sporter, and I made a mount for it using an old Caldwell front shooting rest. The bag was removed and I drilled a hole in it and mounted the Magnetospeed to it. It works and a lot cheaper than the commercial made mounts for it.
An excellent example of empirical testing. I used a Labradar extensively when first launched and found it to be overly sensitive to direction etc. and wouldn’t record my 22-284 95g projectiles nor .17 HMR or 0.17 centrefires, so sold it on. Some months later I bought another together with the external microphone as mentioned by you with a sucker pad attached to the rifle stocks. This particular device now worked splendidly and records everything and of course using the Doppler feature it’s direction pointing is not so critical. I also use a battery pack, so no issues there. However I think it needs a revamp in overall size as you mention plus Bluetooth connectivity etc.
Have a Lab R, got ball joint to attach to it got a square piece of 3/8" thick nylon and mounted it to the ball unit, works great, and one great feature is the large display screen for us older guys. One great feature is that you can get a trigger sensor for the LR, change the doppler to trigger setting, and I never use AA batteries, use power supply like yours. Now I see the new Garmin unit, pocket size and they work great I hear, will let you know if I pull the trigger. The new Garmin will be the best of the bunch down the road I think, and price comparable to LR. Great video showing us all the options between the 3 you showed. Thx, 👍👍👍👍
The Lab Radar may be better because it has variable trigger type and sensitivity, so if you're at a busy outdoor range other shooters don't trigger it. You can also change trigger type to a plug in cable which velcros to your firearm. Also has a plug in for an external power supply. If the FX had those features it would be more attractive. It's a chore and sucks for prone, but I have had an Oehler35p for decades.
Good morning, I have the magnetospeed and for around 20 buck I made a simple attachment the connect on a bottom picatinny rail making the magnetospeed float solidly and not touching the barrel. Works great.
I've had the Magneto Speed V3 and Sporter, and the Lab Radar I now own the Bulletseeker/Speedseeker due to its small size and versatility. I can actually mount it on rifles and shoot a stage with it own the rifle.
So is the Bulletseeker worth it?
@@leeviwerner4629 yes and no. or maybe. It picks up 9x19 and 308 well, but has probs with smaller bullets, e.g. 233 FMJ 8g standard ball. At least get the extra funnel/atenna/gatherer horn that I do not have
I have a new LabRadar with an external trigger and external battery. It great and has not missed a shot hardly for me. I mainly shoot 223’s and it has just never missed a beat for me.
Great info as always. I had my doubts but got my answer now: Mostly local pistol shooting so the lab will be my unit . Fortunately my old chrony chronograph still working and my club has few Labradors. So I am covered. You just saved my money Ray .
Thanks cz503 and thanks for watching the channel.
I would’ve liked to see the BulletSeeker/ SpeedTracker added to the list
I hate mine. It's a POS.
I would also like to see a fair, unbiased, review of the BulletSeeker.
I have one and will do that review in the next few days.
@@randomidiot8142 I read that a few guys on SnipersHide we’re having some issues that turned me away. The Labradar came available on Midway a week or two ago so I went ahead and picked one up. I also grabbed a couple JKL recoil triggers since I’ve read those help a lot with not missing shots.
@@XRING I hope you don’t encounter any issues. Like I commented above, I read that a few guys on SnipersHide we’re having some issues that turned me away. The Labradar came available on Midway a week or two ago so I went ahead and picked one up. I also grabbed a couple JKL recoil triggers since I’ve read those help a lot with not missing shots.
Thank You Sir! It is great to learn about the advantages and best settings for each unit. Magnetospeed is honoring a warranty or replacement policy for a friend of mine who owns a sporter. The 3.5mm jack in the black box with LED display got loose or disconnected. This good customer service by Magneto Speed. 👍🇺🇸
*I have a newer labradar, only thing I added was a better sight. I also use an external battery.. outstanding product.*
What is newer in the one you have vs the one he is using here? Labradar website shows only v1 for sale
While I agree with setup time, the Oehler 35P is the graph that all the others are rated against.
I dont have an issue with setup, I can normally get mine set-up during a cold line without issue.
I've had my 35P for almost 30 years, and it's still as accurate or better than what's available now.
But if time is an issue, or simplicity of set-up is what you're looking for, the 35P is not for you.
You can speed up the set-up of the 35P by labeling the screens 1, 2, & 3, bungling the cables together and placing a mark (red tape) on the bundled cable to mark the distance to place the first screen.
I've had centerfire suppressors dump carbon into my action and chamber as well. I've started leaving an empty fired case in the chamber to catch the carbon. It helps a lot.
Yes they will. I love suppressors but I think there is definitely a time and place to use them.
MK machining makes a mount for both the arca rail and picatinny rail for around one sixty. Good to see you in good health nice comparison video
It’s between the FX and the BulletSeeker/Speedtracker for me
Will be testing FX and SQi-AndiX AndiScan Micro A2 at this week, side by side.
The timing of this video is great. I just went through the process of choosing a chrono and these 3 plus the Mach4 and one you didn't mention, the andiscan were what I looked at. In the end I went for the magneto speed for simplicity, ruggedness, accuracy and cost.
I think if you don’t need handgun speeds the magneto is hard to beat. Thank for watching.
With suppressor no need to push the muzzle out. Radars parallel to muzzle ok. Some even take it backwards two inches. Only with muzzle breaks nonparallel so that the blast will not hurt the device.
I enjoyed your reviews. Got my LabRadar when it first came out and gonna stick with it.
An informative video as all yours are. I’ve had a LabRadar for some time and it works fine for how I use it. I’ve never installed a battery and always use the external pack. I made my own stand using an inexpensive ball tripod head. I have also always used a recoil operated trigger that attaches to a small Picatinny rail section on a handguard or chassis or just taping it in place on my ancient 52E using easily-removed electrical tape. As for mounting the Magneto Speed with the Gray Ops mount on a Picatinny rail, there are inexpensive adapters to go from Arca to Pic and the reverse. I have adapters so I can use a Ckye-Pod with Arca head on an AR and an Atlas bipod with Pic head with an Arca rail.
Glad to see the FX doing we'll especially considering how new it is! Also it is a must have for the FX to consistently register quiet guns considering I will be using it for alot of Airgun tuning/testing.
The most impressive thing about this video is the 2-3 SD ammo..
It takes a little extra time but we’ll worth it. I do plan on doing a video on reloading
I put my Labradar in front of the barrel when I'm using a suppressor, since it needs the muzzle blast to activate the radar. There is a mode to trigger the measurement with the radar but I've never used it, because I expect it will quickly drain the battery.
The other thing is that the Dopplers measure the velocity from 25-100 yards in front of the barrel and EXTRAPOLATE that back to muzzle velocity. There must be some assumptions made in that process which might explain some of the difference in readings between the units.
Great information and thank for watching farmer brown! 👍🏼
What about the Andiscan 2 from Czechoslovakia. I have one along with a Magnetospeed 3. I have tested them alongside a Labradar and have found all of them within 3-7 ft/sec of each other. The andiscan 2 is about the size of the Labradar screen and is very portable and accurate.
Thanks Ray! Finally a best of video without the annoying computer voice and obviously non native English speaking script!😎 (with a no name Chinese product on top)
well, I use a MK set up on my MagnitoSpeed, which is very similar to the Gray Ops used here. What is not shown is the time to set-up and adjust the the Grey Ops/Mk to guarantee shot pick-up and not damage he MagnetoSpeed. I have also found the I often have to readjust when changing rifles due to barrel length or chassis/stock type. For the money its still hard to beat the MagnetoSpeed V3
Thanks Larry. I have the MK as well. The Grey Ops takes less than 5 seconds for me to setup for each individual rifle or chassis. No tools are needed and is extremely fast from platform to platform. 👍🏼
How do you like the MK Machining adapter setup? It looks simple & no fuss as long as you don't have a weirdly angled forend/handguard.
I actually stopped using it because was the older one where I always needed a hex wrench to adjust it.
The Grey Ops is so fast, It really is the best one for me.
@@XRING Thanks Ray!
Great video and very good information. The chronograph I have is the Andiscan v2 which is also a doppler radar. The great thing about the Andiscan is the size. It’s ever smaller than the FX and can be mounted to the rifle.
Thanks for the comment. I have heard of the Andi-scan but have never used one. I’ll check them out.
Great review! I've had the LabRadar and Magnetospeed chonographs for 2 to 3 years now. My practice range is full of baffles, posts and concrete making it difficult for doppler. I'm guessing, if you have a wide open range it shouldn't be an issue. For example, while doing a 10 shot ladder test, the LabRadar won't pick up 2 to 3 shots. I've used the JKLprecision trigger, set the unit up and aimed it many, many different ways according to what others have tried without much success. It'll work for a number of shots, then stop picking up. I think it's a good unit but my range is giving it problems. Just my 2 cents.
Same experience for me. Just sold my Labradar and picked up a Magnetospeed V3 as a result
sell everything and buy garmin all of them are obsolete!
Does the garmin system have PC calculation
Failed to mention the option of the FX working out the BC of each shot. Something maybe worth that extra few dollars.
I want to get into reloading. I’ve been stocking up supplies for a while now. Primers, powders, die sets. I’ve also been looking at the magneto speed. I like how easy it looks to attach and use.
Congratulations! It can be a lot to learn initially. Area 419 just put out a really good video about the reloading process and how they do it.
@@XRING thanks I’ll watch it 👍
Ray is using an attaching setup that does not come with the Magneto Speed Chronograph. That was purchased separately.
If you are worried about accuracy, then the Magnetospeed isn't ideal as by default you need to attach it to the barrel. It screws up group sizes and results in a POI shift. You can measure speed, but only speed, you need to remove it to do accuracy testing or zeroing. If you can attach it to an external rail (ARCA or Picatinny), then that fixes that, but you need to have every firearm set up to take that attachment system.
Had I known you were going to do this comparison which is awesome ,,, I would have sent you one of those cheap Amazon rigs to compare
I usually go for the cheap crap and wish I had a good comparison with a quality setup
Nice, Ray... dang, I almost bought the FX... but now I think I will go with the Magnetospeed with that mount you demonstrated. THANK YOU!!
Great info. Thanks for taking the time to put this together for us.
Excellent comparison Ray. I have a Labradar and really enjoy it. The FX does seem intriguing but if they could price it at the same price as the Labradar (if they could) it would be a no brainier. I have contemplated adding a magneto speed but I don't necessarily want to carry around an extension. Time will tell but having one of the three is awesome but in a perfect world I do believe that having both a magneto speed and a Doppler based system would be a well rounded setup for any environment.
I totally agree! Depends on what I am doing at the range that day. I usually have the Magnetospeed in my truck at all times. 👍🏼
Ray iv been following for long time used to watch youre streams with rick before retirement. I finally set up my 308 top loader. I bought arken 4-16 for $224, i didnt know what you meant by they are fuzzy on edges. I notice on 13 power edges are are FUZZY no issues. Be enough a litt better for clower range than on my 10x swfa
Hello Tylar,
Thanks you for supporting the channel and for watching the channel. Arken has really come a long ways and in the scope industry and does make a good product for the money. What you observe is common in most scopes that are in that price point. It really doesn’t matter as long as the scope tracks well and you can see your target. I’m glad you were able to get your setup together. Thanks again for the comment and have a great week.
Best regards
This was really helpful. I was looking at the magnetospeed but wasn’t sure how good it was.
Unfortunately I’d be mostly using it with ARs so I’d have to make some kind of a rail mount, but I think I could figure it out.
Never seen a bunch of quality products relegated so quickly with the advent of the new Garmin.
(sold my Labradar with Xero regrets...).
Great video!!
Magnetospeed V3 Rail adapater @ $25.
I ordered this along with the V3 and it works decently on pistols if you have a front rail.
Pretty quick & easy to attach & detach once that's on there and can even make things better with some rifles, and not needing to wrap to the barrel.
Also...just ordered the Wiser mount...@ $190 and it will accept both the Sporter AND V3...as well as Pic or ARCA capable. Also, it's now (since 2022) all aluminum and steel parts, no longer printed (according to their video).
Must have!
Thanks again for the vid. You just made my Magnetos the better choice for me.
Thank you 🙏! This was a great review. I have a Magento Speed. I absolutely love it. Your review has really convinced me that for the type of shooting I am doing the Magento Speed is exactly what I need. I do need to get that bayonet adapter you are using.
thank you for doing this...very timely
Can’t use a LabRadar at my range. You’re required to shoot in a “baffle box” and the lab radar cannot be put in a position inside the box to pick up the velocity. My Magnetospeed has worked flawlessly for years now as long as it is set up properly. I would like to see this product get a little more engineering with the mount, but it works. Thanks for the info on the True Ballistics.
I feel you left out a lot of information about the FX unit. The fact that it can read velocity at 25yard increments out to 100 yards and display calculated BC is huge for competitive shooters. It also explains why it’s slower to output the speed.
That is very true. I didn’t want to get into that in this video but it is a valuable tool for competitive shooters.
The web site says "four different velocities readings from 0 - 300 yards", so not every 25 yards. Am I misunderstanding something? It does sound like it's encroaching on the Applied Ballistics PDM: not quite there, but pretty darned close!
My Magnetospeed sporter works perfectly fine with a rimfire, you just need to set the sensitivity to high. I know the website says different but I have not had any issues with using it on my 22's. In case anyone was wondering.
I have also had good luck with the Sporter when it comes to rimfire.
A lot of us competition shooters are using barrels that are larger then 1” in diameter. The sporter will not adjust close enough to the bore to read the bullet when shot across the sensor. The V3 was designed to be used with larger diameter barrels, along with suppressors. That’s what he’s was talking about.
@@tonyjonas1 that’s why you get the MK machining magnetospeed mount, or the Wiser mount where it’s attached to a pic rail or your arca rail.
Thank you so much for this review!
Glad it was helpful and thank you for watching.
Yes, you put the suppressor even with the Doppler radar. Like the instructions say. And when using a muzzle brake that vents to the rear, you need to put it on the operator side of the unit. When using a brake the vents straight to the sides, you can put it in front of it. Clearly you use a brake that vents to the rear so you're hitting that labradar with all that gas and concussion. It's literally in the directions.
Gee, thanks for sharing. It was very informative. While I do not shoot competition traveling with a unit is not an issue. Basically, I am only concerned about velocity when I am working up a load for my pistols or rifles and I have been using an Oehler P35. However, setting up the screens at a public range is a pain so I am looking for something easier and cost effective.
Glad to see you’re back in the US. Have you used the Andiscan Micro? Seems really portable and reliable.
The fact that the 2 mounts you mentioned cost as much as the Magnetospeed Sporter and more than half of the cost of the V3!! I'm all for spending for nice quality but when the mounts are costing this much it is time for someone to start making $100 mounting setups which would still make a great return on investment and bring prices back down to earth.
Nice review, the only item I have and use is the Magnetospeed it came with a hard case....... No concerns or issues !!
Just came inside from shooting my Polish AK pistol and right at dusk it's almost like having a flashbang go off every time you touch the trigger...! Practical... Absolutely not but it's fun!
should re-release this with an additional section on the end for the Garmin Xero. kinda looks like it's the new obvious choice for anyone willing to spend more than a few hundred bucks.
I did a whole video release on the Xero. Actually before anyone else.
Garmin 901, SIG 10k, Christensen MPR and the Guardian Team match.
th-cam.com/video/ocpu0ktMrbk/w-d-xo.html
ALL of these are so much easier to set up and use than the old school chronographs, but I don't think we have seen the world beating do all chrono....yet.
The Magnetospeed not being pistol friendly knocked it out of contention for our situation. While the Labradar isn't perfect, it has been useful for everything we have wanted to chrono. I don't even bother with the onboard batteries on the Labradar anymore. The battery pack just works so much better.
I agree. The FX might be the best in that department but 1k is outrageous.
Have Lab. Thanks for the great comparison!!!
Thanks for the shoutout Ray! 🙌
You are the man Wayne !
Great video... BUT.. you should have used a traditional cronograph like caldwell, you might not like to use them, but its not about what YOU like to use, its for the viewers... plus the magneto speed cant really be used on pistols making a.. Caldwell crono a good all around to compare with the labradar etc.. (not in love with a traditional crono, but it is a traditional standby and affordable, seeing a spread with those would be nice.)
Im still running my Magnetospeed sporter for the last 5 years. Not saying it’s the best but it works. At this point mine is held together with electrical tape 😂
Great review nicely done.
Thanks Elijah!
Great objective review, Thank so much!
Great video XRing, I’m due for another chronograph myself. My 1st one jumped right in front of a bullet & took one right in its display it’s first time out. Would you believe that😬😂. I’m liking the Lab radar but as you said I’m sure it eats batteries quickly. Thanks for sharing.
Best gun channel on youtube by far
Thanks Doug! I appreciate it.
Nice review Ray. I had an early LabRadar with the plate like yours and a case. I sold it as I found it too cumbersome to use. Today, I don't have any chronograph.
Ii know, it’s kind of weird. I’m using them more and more now.
Thanks for the video. Be Safe
Many thanks. Helpful.
Lab radar pros : work on archery setup, easier to set up from different rifles at the range
Magneto speed pro : work for shotgun ..
Con: pita to setup to different rifles at the range. . I use my lab radar 90% off the time compare to my v3
I have mixed feelings about you reviewing this (true ballistics). I want to see it reviewed, but I don’t want it to be out of stock cause I want mine! It looks like a good chronograph, I look forward to the review.
Edit: I agree about the price on the FX. I think for the FX to be competitive with the Labradar, you need to have a comparable product at a lower price, or a superior product at a similar price.
I have a lab radar and its ok but not great its has a hard time tracking small calibers past 70 yards and the app and interface is pretty bad and it hasn't been updated in 2 years so as a company im not impressed with the labradar.
I have the Magnetospeed v3 and it works great for my rifles. I do shoot several varmint calibers (22-250 Rem. and 17 Hornet) with reloads that can go over 3900 fps. I know LabRadar has a 3900 fps limit, but what about the FX?
Would love to see the bullet seeker in this comparison. Good stuff Ray!
Bullet seeker blows them away. Not even a comparison
@@briansupermag3918 Did you make it to the end of the video? He says he has close friends that have them and they are way off on the FPS output and they wished they didn't buy them.
Bullet seeker was consistently showing slower speeds
Hello X-Ring,
another function of the Labradar, which you did not mention in the video, allows the measurement of up to 5 bullet velocities at different distances up to 100 m. Whether this is really a big advantage I would like to leave undecided. In any case, it is a "nice to have". I think I will buy a Magenetospeed V3. I hope that the Gray Ops mount will also be available in Austria. At the moment I am in contact with Grey Ops.
Many greetings from Austria, Hans
Downrange velocity is a good measurement if you are trying to measure BC. It works pretty well. I've calculated BC and use it to predict downrange velocities later on and it worked.
great info.... thanks for sharing...
What is the brand and name of the arca rail adapter (precision carbon fiber mount) or the metal one to work with the Magneto chronograph? I shoot rifles with chassis in .22, .308 & 6.5 creed.
excellent review!!
Thanks Lundy and thanks for watching.
Nothing like the FX out there now. It's value is not in the simple testing here, It's the fact that it can calculate BC. You need to know the speed downrange of a bullet to do that. Can the Magneto tell me what the speed of a bullet is at 100 yards?
I like the Lab Radar but the price keeps increasing , if you can find a used one for $500.00 it’s a good buy thanks Ray
great info but very turned off with lack of personal eye safety. LabRadar is a great tool. don't need all the attachment accesories of the magneto version. The Caldwell shoot thru with illuminatora works well in all / dark light conditions and far cheaper. most come with some cellphone app to improve readout an calculations.
Ray, maybe you might be able to borrow Kenny's speed tracker Mach 4 and add your thoughts? Thank you for all your hard work.
Bayonet strike from eldx out of the 8.6? Love your content thanks for all the info!
Exactly! I was trying to find the velocity that most copper jackets would spin off. I found it! 😂 Depending on manufacturer it varies from 1350-1500 and then she’s coming apart Scottie! 😆
@@XRING I’ve been working on mine too and it’s been fun with the 1-3” twist rate! Thanks for what you do sir and keep the great content coming!
Thanks for the comparison. How is the max brightness on the FX? The screen looked somewhat dim in bright conditions in some of the other reviews.
The fx won in my eyes for my shooting. I like suppressed shooting and I don't like to hang stuff off my barrel...
That magneto speed is at a real loss, compared to the LabRadar & FX Radar which show up to 5 different range nodes of velocity ( including muzzle)- this allows you to make corrections to the output results on ballistic apps for long range use. The magneto only gives you the velocity at the muzzle. I've got the lab Radar and I'm definitely not putting a grand down on that cheap looking fx Radar with a tiny dark screen. Never had an issue with battery life on the LabRadar....and to have a lit up bigger screen I can actually view easily makes up for the longer set up time for me personally.
Top stuff cheers from north qld.
Thanks Ray. Do you know anyone who has used the MK Machining Magnetospeed mount? It's a bit cheaper than the two others you showed & mentioned.
Probably a dumb question, but trying to compare their relative velocity readings would be nearly impossible right? Because the second the bullet leaves the barrel its slowing down, so aince neither can be dialed in to take a velocity at the exact same point in flight, youre naturally going to have some deviation. What if the 4fps difference is just simply one chrono reading 1 foot or 6 inches further in flight? Just curious, i understand what doplar radar is but im not certain on how its sort of aimed.
I had issue with my labradar in the evening when it started to get dark.
What about the options compared like incremental velocities and such?
I bought a Lab Radar a few months ago. Its been a little troublesome. Don't think it will come anywhere close to the longevity of my Ohler 35P 35 years and still going.
Great testing as always. There's one thing that I would've liked to have seen tested. Since alot of us shoot at a range with other shooters, how would they all be affected? I know the Labradar picks up others shots when armed sometimes, so you have to use a recoil trigger. Does the FX have the same problem?
use a self made external trigger....no more problems th-cam.com/video/ODYwy3RoWxg/w-d-xo.html
Hi ray just watching the crono video as they are all so close to each other. Was wondering if they lined up with the kestrel speed regards Brendon
My labradar is a frustrating thing. I've not been able to master placement of the device such that it will consistently read shots. I have had it pick up other rounds too like you said. The range I shoot on is actually cut into the side of a PA mountain so it's open on one side and rock on the other. I do seem to get better results when I'm away from that rock wall. But then I'm sitting in the full sun....LOL. First world problems! LOLOL
Have you tried adjusting the distances that your labradar is sampling speeds?
I use an external trigger, reads every time. It’s triggered by the rifles recoil. They are like $25.
Hello, can any microphone be connected to the Labrador? Thank you
Magnetospeed with mk machining mount is the best for me. Ray what's your go scope meaning if you could have only one
I bet 10$ the magneto speed is the most accurate
I am going to agree with that statement. 👍🏼
None of the reviews I've seen have taken into account a range setting where there are other shooters around you. My question is if it will discriminate between your rifle and the shooters around you. The Magnetospeed would be fine of course, but what of the radar units?
Depends how big the rifle is next to you and how brutal the muzzle brake. If you have a girl with a .22 a few meters away, it works ok, but if you have somebody with a 50 and a massive brake then it will trigger it. The Labradar uses the muzzle blast to switch on the radar.
@@farmerbrown84 Yeah - I'd like to see a real world review of both side by side and how they handle the situation. Most people don't have the luxury of a dedicated range where they can shoot alone.
I have done a ton of research and just can't decide between LabRadar and Magnetospeed V3. Any recommendations on one vs other? I mainly will test my 6.5 rifle and .22LR rifle.
My LabRadar shuts down when used with muzzle breaks. I have tried placing the unit in front of the gun, I've tried "triggers", ive removed the "sd" card (recommended from manufacturer, nothing seems to help. Seems to work well with barrels with no muzzel break.🤔🤔 I'll take any advise😊
Comparing all these units, how would you determine the accuracy of each unit? Is there any way to actually measure the bullet velocity for a true reading, or are they close enough that it does not matter?
Close enough it doesn't matter. You can use your ballistic solver to "true" the MV to what's actually happening down range.
What you should do is add an old style light sensors unit and shoot multiple shots to compare results
That’s what I did. All 3 simultaneously
@@XRINGyes I noticed, thanks for responding. , what I meant was add one of the old style cronos (the ones that use light) to compare results, for us old timers who now have the old style so we can see if it's worth upgrading
Thank you
OH HELL NO I will stick to my Shooting Chrony ,100 bucks way back about 1995
Thanks for putting this out there and helpful for sure. I'm somewhat new to load development sounds like the MS V3 may be the best value option on the market -- especially if coupled with a third-party mount/extension of some sort. However, my question is will the MS V3 affect the POI in any way ** even ** if free floated via a chassis mount or extension? Does the bayonet sensor, being so close to the projectile, affect the bullet flight path in any way? I dunno? So asking those far more experienced than myself. Thanks.
Thanks for watching Darrel and great question. As long as you are using an extension we have seen zero shift in impacts from having the bayonet close to the bullet. With or without it will produce the same impacts as long as the standoff is used. Thanks for asking a great question.