@@WildBillCox13 In theory, yes. It would require extensive redesigning of the stern and shaft arrangements however. It is also worth noting that Bismarck had decent turning abilities with its actual rudder arrangement. Under damaged condition, the ship would still most likely suffer from reduced turning abilities, but would probably have had some control with a centerline arrangement. I don't think it would have given the ship a better chance of surviving its mission, but I think it could have managed to straighten its course.
Germany made a huge mistake trying not to anger the Brits with the escalation fears, as it turns out while they were wasting time arming their ships with puny 11" & 12" guns the British had already moved onto 13.5" & 15" guns and were building them in greater numbers. Germany should have lied and said they were building smaller gunned vessels but in reality they should have concentrated on rearming all their existing Battlecruisers with 12.5" guns with all new ships coming down the slipways packing 13.8" guns. the existing Battleships should have been up gunned to the 13.8" weapon with all new BB's using 15" or 16.5" guns. imagine if these ships were at the battle of Jutland, the Brits would have lost at least one more Battlecruiser and Battleship plus the rest of the fleet would have sustained heavy damage and been out of action for a longer period of time than it was historically allowing the Germans to launch more attacks against more favorable odds instead of just hiding like they had to due to the fact that their ships were just outclassed too much in regards to firepower deficiencies.
Silly stuff. The real naval war and fleet building has nothing to do with ‘WoW's’. Inform yourself. Google is your friend. BTW, those ‘puny German guns’ almost sank the highly prized ‘H.M.S. Warspite’ (three of those ‘mighty’ 15 inch gun turrets failed, rudder damaged, water ingress, several sailors died, the ship was out of commission for 2 months).
@@harrylor66 Almost only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades, Don't forget that pretty much the ENTIRE High Seas Fleet opened fire on Warspite and they couldn't sink her, that is as damning a condemnation of German naval firepower as you can get. If those ships had proper Battleship weapons Warspite and Lion would both be at the bottom of the sea along with perhaps some others. The German admirals didn't think they needed anything bigger than the 12" guns and as a result of facing REAL firepower at Jutland the High Seas Fleet was badly damaged and was afraid of ever facing the Brits again in any big naval engagements. If you know your enemy can out build you in numbers then you MUST make your ships bigger and better than theirs as each ship will have to sink two of the enemy just to keep parity. its that simple. P.S. I don't play WoW
@@josephkugel5099 You are absolutely right, of course. But it's not that simple. As the leading industrial power and leading naval power at the time, Great Britain had a shipyard capacity of 1:8 in its favour. Great Britain built much faster and was always one or two steps ahead of the German Empire in terms of development. The german empire only followed the development. The Royal Navy played a decisive role in Great Britain, where the ‘two fleet standard’ applied. The german empire originally had the plan to achieve two thirds of the Royal Navy. This plan was recognised as unrealistic in 1908 and abandoned in 1912. Only construction contracts that had already been awarded were completed, no further expansion of the fleet. The army was strengthened. The S.M. battleships ‘Sachsen’ and ‘Württemberg’ (15 inch), the battlecruisers ‘Mackensen’, ‘Graf Spee’, ‘Prinz Eitel Friederich’ (14 inch) and ‘Ersatz-York (15 inch)’ (replace-York, no name given) were no longer completed. The High Seas Fleet was planned as a ‘risk fleet’ or ‘fleet in being’. It was not built to attack the Royal Navy, that's the point. What did this ‘concentrated British firepower’ achieve in the ‘Battle of Jutland’? The ‘Grand Fleet’ and the British battlecruisers plus the mighty ‘Queen Elizabeth's’ (15 inch) hit three imperial ‘Large Cruisers’ very heavily in the artillery duel (the S.M.S. ‘Lützow’ had to be abandoned ) and damaged several imperial dreadnoughts. The bulk of the ‘Grand Fleet’ was equipped with 12-inch and 13.5-inch guns. The H.M.S. Warspite, together with the H.M.S. Malaya, came at times under direct fire from the imperial ships H.M.S. König and H.M.S. Kronprinz, not with the entire imperial fleet. The battle began at a distance of 9 nautical miles and lasted 30 minutes. H.M.S. Warspite received, among others, this hit in the rudder, a ‘friendly greeting’ from the S.M.S. König with 12 inches. An Imperial 11-inch shell has a higher velocity than a British 12-inch shell, so it has a similar effect at medium range due to the higher kinetic energy. This was considered sufficient in the beginning. In the end, this ‘weak High Seas Fleet’ inflicted twice as many losses on the mighty Royal Navy as it suffered itself. The ships S.M.S. Bayern and S.M.S. Baden, armed with 8x15 inch guns, were in training at the time of the Battle of Jutland and did not take part in the battle. Perhaps their presence would have made a difference. The German Empire never had a fleet, it is much more astonishing that such a fleet could be built. Nevertheless, these naval battles should never have taken place, Queen Victoria would never have allowed it.
Looks very like an icebreaking bow of the type where the bow slides over the ice allowing the weight of the ship to break the ice.
To me it looks like it was a mistake to have an underwater torpedo tube in the bow.
@@richardcutts196 A sign of the times that turned out to be ineffective in real life.
@@richardcutts196The _SMS Lutzow_ would agree.
Seydlitz was quite happy for having it though@@mbryson2899
Yet another great video. Thanks
Presser, you always stock your videos with rare photos that makes your work top notch.
@@lloydknighten5071 Thank you, I do try to use unusual photos as much as possible.
Re: Centerline tandem rudders. Would that have worked for Bismarck, you think?
@@WildBillCox13 In theory, yes. It would require extensive redesigning of the stern and shaft arrangements however. It is also worth noting that Bismarck had decent turning abilities with its actual rudder arrangement. Under damaged condition, the ship would still most likely suffer from reduced turning abilities, but would probably have had some control with a centerline arrangement. I don't think it would have given the ship a better chance of surviving its mission, but I think it could have managed to straighten its course.
So double rudder proved good or not?
Tirpitz should have been a chef, or joined the army...
Germany made a huge mistake trying not to anger the Brits with the escalation fears, as it turns out while they were wasting time arming their ships with puny 11" & 12" guns the British had already moved onto 13.5" & 15" guns and were building them in greater numbers. Germany should have lied and said they were building smaller gunned vessels but in reality they should have concentrated on rearming all their existing Battlecruisers with 12.5" guns with all new ships coming down the slipways packing 13.8" guns. the existing Battleships should have been up gunned to the 13.8" weapon with all new BB's using 15" or 16.5" guns. imagine if these ships were at the battle of Jutland, the Brits would have lost at least one more Battlecruiser and Battleship plus the rest of the fleet would have sustained heavy damage and been out of action for a longer period of time than it was historically allowing the Germans to launch more attacks against more favorable odds instead of just hiding like they had to due to the fact that their ships were just outclassed too much in regards to firepower deficiencies.
Silly stuff.
The real naval war and fleet building
has nothing to do with ‘WoW's’.
Inform yourself.
Google is your friend.
BTW, those ‘puny German guns’
almost sank the highly prized ‘H.M.S. Warspite’ (three of those ‘mighty’ 15 inch gun turrets failed, rudder damaged, water ingress, several sailors died, the ship was out of commission for 2 months).
@@harrylor66 Almost only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades, Don't forget that pretty much the ENTIRE High Seas Fleet opened fire on Warspite and they couldn't sink her, that is as damning a condemnation of German naval firepower as you can get. If those ships had proper Battleship weapons Warspite and Lion would both be at the bottom of the sea along with perhaps some others. The German admirals didn't think they needed anything bigger than the 12" guns and as a result of facing REAL firepower at Jutland the High Seas Fleet was badly damaged and was afraid of ever facing the Brits again in any big naval engagements. If you know your enemy can out build you in numbers then you MUST make your ships bigger and better than theirs as each ship will have to sink two of the enemy just to keep parity. its that simple.
P.S. I don't play WoW
@@josephkugel5099
You are absolutely right, of course.
But it's not that simple.
As the leading industrial power and leading naval power at the time, Great Britain had a shipyard capacity of 1:8 in its favour. Great Britain built much faster
and was always one or two steps ahead of the German Empire in terms of development.
The german empire only followed the development.
The Royal Navy played a decisive role in Great Britain, where the ‘two fleet standard’ applied.
The german empire originally had the plan to achieve two thirds of the Royal Navy.
This plan was recognised as unrealistic in 1908 and abandoned in 1912.
Only construction contracts that had already been awarded were completed, no further expansion of the fleet.
The army was strengthened.
The S.M. battleships ‘Sachsen’ and ‘Württemberg’ (15 inch), the battlecruisers ‘Mackensen’, ‘Graf Spee’, ‘Prinz Eitel Friederich’ (14 inch) and ‘Ersatz-York (15 inch)’ (replace-York, no name given) were no longer completed.
The High Seas Fleet was planned as a ‘risk fleet’ or ‘fleet in being’. It was not built to attack the Royal Navy, that's the point.
What did this ‘concentrated British firepower’ achieve in the ‘Battle of Jutland’?
The ‘Grand Fleet’ and the British battlecruisers plus the mighty ‘Queen Elizabeth's’ (15 inch) hit three imperial ‘Large Cruisers’ very heavily in the artillery duel (the S.M.S. ‘Lützow’ had to be abandoned ) and damaged several imperial dreadnoughts.
The bulk of the ‘Grand Fleet’ was equipped with 12-inch and 13.5-inch guns.
The H.M.S. Warspite, together with the H.M.S. Malaya, came at times under direct fire from the imperial ships H.M.S. König and H.M.S. Kronprinz, not with the entire imperial fleet.
The battle began at a distance of 9 nautical miles and lasted 30 minutes. H.M.S. Warspite received, among others, this hit in the rudder, a ‘friendly greeting’ from the S.M.S. König with 12 inches.
An Imperial 11-inch shell has a higher velocity than a British 12-inch shell, so it has a similar effect at medium range due to the higher kinetic energy. This was considered sufficient in the beginning.
In the end, this ‘weak High Seas Fleet’ inflicted twice as many losses on the mighty Royal Navy as it suffered itself.
The ships S.M.S. Bayern and S.M.S. Baden, armed with 8x15 inch guns, were in training at the time of the Battle of Jutland and did not take part in the battle.
Perhaps their presence would have made a difference.
The German Empire never had a fleet, it is much more astonishing that such a fleet could be built.
Nevertheless, these naval battles should never have taken place, Queen Victoria would never have allowed it.