Chrome Tanned Leather vs. Vegetable Tanned Leather
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Chuck Dorsett explains the differences between chrome tanned leather and vegetable tanned leather.
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Chuck is so knowledgeable. I also love his enthusiasm for leather. You know it's a passion for him.
Couldn't agree more. I'm in Australia and I'm going to try to source what I can from him. I'll be using kangaroo leather because it's significantly stronger, it's usually tarnished but has that strength that I'm looking for but for tools and all that stuff, I'm going to use Weaver for my next order because of his love of his craft
I think your one of the best if not the best leather how to guy on TH-cam. Easy and quick videos to the point. No drivvle just straight facts
Saddleback is envious they didn’t make this video first. Great vid.
awesome salesmanship, clear explanation, and groovy designs in the background. everything you need to excel at making a leathermaking video. an inspiration!
Very clear and detailed look at the differences with EXAMPLES. Great job!
Love the videos! Simple and informative, answered many of my questions!
You have a gorgeous and organized display of your tools behind you. Just beautiful. Thank you for the information. I learned something new today!!
Thank you so much for your comment!
Just discovered your videos - really enjoy them!
I knew absolutely nothing about working with leather but your videos opened up a whole new world!
Like to see you making an arrow quiver and a "scabbard" for a lever-action rifle!
If you've already made videos on these then I'll search them out!
Thanks again! You are an excellent craftsman and teacher!
Thank you for your comments! I could not be happier that our videos have opened up a whole new world for you. And, yes, we will definitely do a quiver, a rifle scabbard and a traditional sword/dagger scabbard in the future.
Your videos have always been enjoyable and I have learned from each. Thank you.
Keep the videos coming!!. I really enjoy the explanations. It really helps me being a beginning leathercrafter.
Hello Eric! Thank you for your feedback. We appreciate you taking the time to watch our videos!
I love your enthusiasm for leather working and your videos beat the others hands down in every category. You’ve made me a better leather craftsman
Thank you so much, so glad the videos are helpful!
Ah, those chap and moc splits you showcase here have always been my favorite leathers. I used them for decades to make all sorts of things, including puff and slash landsknecht clothing. They can be tossed in a tub of warm water with a little bit of Sunlight detergent and they don't change consistency.
You explained it so, much better than I ever heard. And you didn't ramble on like most do explaining it. Thanks
Two thumbs up for the post and three for anyone who’s this into their craft- great stuff!
At 5:39....a black stitch line would look absolutely amazing on that piece! Outstanding job keep it up!
Thank you!
Love this guy and his insights , love his charisma and says things that make sense for beginners like me
Very good and clear vid. Just learning about all of this and I find it incredibly interesting. Thank You !
Thank you, Jeff!
great video! Thanks for all the info.
Would love to see a how to on the sporran! Beautiful!
Thanks for the clear explanation. I would like to ask about oil tanned leather and what projects that would be good for, or not good for. I really enjoy your videos and have learned a lot. Thanks!
Gorgeous sample projects. Thanks for the clarification.
I learned so much!! Thank you!
Thanks much for the information; now I can tell the difference between the Chrome tanned leather from the vegetable one.
Very good video full of great info! I would love to see an ‘in-depth’ video on how to make patterns. How to compensate for leather thickness, etc. thanks
Michael, might we suggest this video?
th-cam.com/video/OqjAaa9At5o/w-d-xo.html
If you have further or more specific questions, don't hesitate to ask. Thanks for the comment.
I found this video cleared some things I been turning a blind to, Thanks again. G-G
Awesome. We are happy to hear that this video helped you!
I have gorgeous veg-tanned leather jackets.
veg tanning is also done with mimosa plants and some kind of nuts , the resulting leather is soft, supple and shiny leather which goes for garment grade . safe for us and the environment
First video of yours I’ve ever watched and I’ll be honest- I only made it to 1:14.
When I saw that wall of leather working tools and projects I fell out of my chair and had to be resuscitated.
Yes, I had shop envy too lol
Great quality content. Awesome!
Awesome instructor.
Very talented and we don't have to listen to the choir while he's delivering his message.
Traditional English oak barn tanning takes upto 12 months , super strong with a great leather smell
Thank you. Great vid. Keep them commung
I love TH-cam. I love leather. And now I love Chuck. I watch guitar, math and giant squid videos. The Artifical Intelligence here is genius for suggesting this.
Hi Chuck. I just noticed the leather armour hanging on the wall at the start of this video. I am a huge fan of leather armour, re enactment and live role play armour. Would it be possible to see more of this please. I would love to see how it was crafted.
Kind regards
Rachael
Hi Rachael,
Thanks so much for noticing! I do get quite a few requests to see how the armor is made and due to an armor having to be made specifically to each person we haven't done a video on it. However, we have discussed doing a rough overview of how to measure, etc so hopefully one day we'll be able to do a video on the armor!
Very good video . Thank you
Fantastic. Thank you!
So good. So clear.
Awesome info!
Chuck, this video was terrifically full of information. I know that with die, you are change the top layer of leather by dyeing it with oil base dyes. How long will the color last using Acrylic paint? I know Acrylics lay on top of the leather as would any paint. Is it subject to cracking and peeling? Is their a way to seal the Acrylic paint for longer durations? Best regards, Richard….
Great info thanks
Awesome video, amazing abundance of knowledge and charismatic presentation. I have a question that's been bugging me for the longest time: the differences in the finish of leather shoes and leather jackets. Some jackets have a beautiful rich supple oiliness to them while others look dry and stiff. Is this beautiful oiliness achieved by the type of leather, the tanning process, or by applying oils and waxes to the finished product. Thanks for the informative video. God bless
Hi Martin,
Most likely it’s the tannage and the type of leather the designer choose for that specific product. I love the look of the oily leathers but I tend to stay away from those with a high oil content. Oils can wick into anything they touch (think of a project, jacket, briefcase sitting on a hot car seat, in a hot car in the middle of the summer). It would leave an awful stain on anything it’s sitting on. Most aren’t really an issue but it can be a problem. For the most part, it’s the tannage. God Bless!
You really know your stuff. You should have your very own t.v. program.
very informative!
Great information, but I have a question for you that I was hoping would have been answered ...
If someone hands you a piece of leather, how can you tell if it's veg tanned or chrome tanned?
Keep up the great work! Have a better day and a happy New Year!
Please let us know!
One more difference:
Lasers can etch designs and cut veg tan cleanly.
Lasers struggle with the metal in the chrome tanning. The result is just surface charring.
You have tons of energy. Im brand new to leather and have a question. Can both Veg and Chrome be successfully Lazer engraved?
I have a question 🙋♀️
What would you use for a liner on a cowboy boot top and vamp? Could you use the same for both ?
I just discovered your videos. Great information. Does the chrome tan interact with the hardware?
Love your work, awesome artist. Q: will chrome effect stud work?
Hi Jason,
Always a good question! It really depends on the environment (and hardware to some extent). Something like a purse, belt, journal cover…that isn’t in the elements regularly will, eventually, show some tarnish but it could be years and years out. Hardware on the chromes that are out in the elements will tarnish much faster (tack is an excellent example) but, for everyday use items, the product will usually wear out before tarnish starts to become a problem.
I hope this helps!
Great video, thank you. Is deerkskin tanned using these two techniques as well? Also, if I'm making a project the includes sterling silver or gold, would the chrome tanned leather affect them? so better to try and buy vegetable tanned?
Hello,
Due to the fact that deer is prized for its supple nature, it is usually chrome tanned to allow it to achieve the maximum softness. If you are planning to use sterling silver or gold I would steer away from chrome leathers and use veg tanned.
Please make a video on different leather finish and how to identify those finish.
Hi Vipul,
Thank you for your suggestion! See if this video helps at all: th-cam.com/video/IS87r0IfdTY/w-d-xo.html
Fantastic video. Lots of great info here! I am new to leather working and am in the process of making a few items for some friends. A video gave me an idea to use "oil tanned" leather, which I assume is a chrome tanned covered or saturated in oil? Or some other process of coating it with an oil. Can this type of leather be dyed or painted or do I need to choose the right color from the start? Thanks! Love your videos. And that blue suede! Wow!
Hello,
Thanks so much, glad you're enjoying the videos! Chrome tanned leather won't accept dye very well because of the oil content. Your best bet is probably choosing the right color you are needing for the job.
Thanks! So much to learn. So many places to start. I'm loving this already!
You are like a high-skilled encyclopedia, Sir...
This man loves his vag-tan! I like using Chrome tan for some projects. Just a little harder to get a good burnished edge.
try using a stone instead of a wooden slicker!
Off the subject request. Any chance of a how to video for the shoulder armor hanging on the back wall from the opening scene in this video?
Alex, thanks for asking. The period stuff is my favorite, and I would love to make a video with the armour. I’m not sure how soon this will happen, but we will definitely do the pauldrons!
Very nice video👍
nice work...is there a natural tanning solution for sheepskin (wool on) that will be supple and soft?
and the same question for goatskin
Hello,
There is veg tanned sheepskin, most of which is stiffer though than chrome tanned, thus being the nature of veg tanned leathers. The way a tannery would get this more supple is to tumble the skins. The old school way of tanning skins like sheep and goat was brain tanning which was natural per se but also made for very soft and supple skins. These days, however, brain tanning is very uncommon and chrome and vegetable tanning are the preferred methods.
neat. cool to see somebody who really cares about their craft
Thank you!
Thanks Chuck! G
Mr. Dorsett, I recently downloaded some patterns for some hats and bags from a maker on Etsy. I asked the maker what leather he uses as his instruction only showed the weight. Turns put he uses a lot of Latigo and Chrome Tanned leather. My question is when do decide to use which? Latigo is pretty pricey so I want to make the right picks once
Hello,
For most bags and hats it will work well to just use chrome tanned leather. The reason to use latigo is if you need to use heavier weight leather or leather with a little more body on certain portions of a project. Latigo is typically 9-10 oz whereas chrome tanned leathers are typically less than 6 oz.
Could you comment on Chrome vs Vege tanned leather color staying power? Which would stain your clothes if you were to wear leather suspenders for example? Which staining process is more durable? Or does that not really apply? The durability of the color stain for Chrome vs Vegie tanning and its color bleading issues onto fabrics these process might affect.
Excellent video my friend what do you think about the Cavalier leather from Horween? I bought some Doc Marten boots that I paid an arm and a leg for. I'd like for them to last the rest of my life even if I need them professionally re-soled two or three times. What high quality neutral conditioner would you recommend? I thank you in advance for your time.
Awesome thanks
How might a get a 2 to 4 inch rectangle sample of the 37 ounce veg tan for my school sample kit?
Chuck Dorset the man, the myth the fucking high energy leather legend.
Ebisto un vídeo de usted aciendo una pulsera de trenza pero no se como terminarla porque no vi el video entero como puedo terminar la pulsera adiós amigo maestro
Can leather conditioner be applied to chrome tanned leather? Liquid or spray?
THANK YOU! love the channel!
Yes, absolutely. It will help keep it from getting dry and cracking. Here is a link to a great cream that we recommend... www.weaverleathersupply.com/products/oakwood-leather-conditioner-4-2-oz?_pos=2&_sid=3842ad555&_ss=r
@@WeaverLeatherSupply would this work good with leather hat patches as well?? Thank you for your help!
Thanks bro chuck
Thanks.
Thank you again ..very very much you Are so helpful . And ME And My friend Loves your Videos.
About the Snow Proof. You aufgestellt the Snow Proof Aerosol Thais what i received from the US
I Don t have the Snow Paste..so you think i Could use the Snow Proof Aerosol After the neatfoot oil And the tan kote? Instead the Snow Paste ?
Really sorry för asking so much! I promise to ask much less After this..(. :
Hello! We love hearing from you and getting to assist you with questions such as this! Yes, the aerosol should actually work a bit better for you since with the paste you end up having to buff it and that could cause it to effect the color! Thank you again!
Love the video. Keep it up. I am getting into leather stamping and carving. So are you saying that I need to buy veg tan leather only and not chrome tan leather for what I want? Because I have the tools and was testing it on an old tan color leather belt. I don't know if it was veg or chrome tan but I could barely get the stamp to be visible after multiple hammers. I assume because it probably wasnt veg tan?
Hello. This comment must have got over overlooked; sorry about the delay. But yes, that is correct. When you add water to the veg tan it becomes very pliable and, therefore, you can get a crisp clean stamp. Chromes may take a stamp but it is weak at best, and the stamp/design will fade in a short amount of time. When you have a chance to work with the veg tan you will love the outcome and will be making some beautiful projects!
No worries on the delay. Very thankful for the response. Very helpful info. Love all the energy and passion in all your vids.
Thank you so much. We're glad to help!
So someone baught me what i belive is some thin chrome leather. Is there anyway i can get both sides to the same feel, and also put some ki d of wax to smooth it out???
HI again,I just got from the US the snow proof that you suggested for sealing my leather paint work with Angelus acrylic paint., but what i forgot to ask you is: wen my paint job is ready i usually put some tan kote on it ..do you think can i first put the tan kote than Neatfoot oil and than the snow proof?...or shell I put first the neatfoot oil than the Tan kote and than the Snow Proof.
i am just confuse about which product goes first.. and if i can put the snow proof on top the neatfoot oil and the tan kote.
sorry for my poor English i hope i could explain my self..
Thank you in advance and for the tips you gave me earlier. ( :
Hello! The Tan Kote may prevent the Neatsfoot from absorbing completely and would be a bit concerned the oil may affect the paint. If we were experimenting, we would lay in a light coat of Neatsfoot first, add the Tan Kote next and, when completely dry, go to the Snow Paste. If possible we would recommend taking a piece of scrap and testing this with several combinations. When you have the chance to test combinations you always learn tricks outside of the project you're working on but also start to get some confidence, and practice, before you go to the actual project. Thank you for your question and good luck!
Awsome video
For durability which one better.
I always love your videos because they are so informative. Could you expand on this subject by doing a little video on 'why' you would use each different type of veg tanned leather (bridle, harness .....) and 'how' they might work differently as far as stamping, carving, etc.? Thanks.
Shirley, I would love to dig deeper into both types of leather. Each has so many unique qualities and unlimited project possibilities.This is a great idea, and thanks for taking the time to let us know what you would like to see!
Thank you. I'll be watching.
For the people thinking he is color blind, no the color is different on camera than in real life
Can i use mimosa tanned leather in carving ? What's the best thickness for the carving and molding?!
I am so sorry but I’m not familiar with the mimosa tannage, but, I can’t wait to look into it now! The weights for tooling can go all the way down to the 2/3 oz. I am not in the category of those good enough to tool that light a leather but it can be done and beautifully! I tend to stay between 4/5 oz. and 8/9 oz. for the tooling. You can go up to any weight but these are the most common weights I work with. I hope this helps!
im just getting started and ive got a pattern for a very simple ammo type belt bag would you recommend veg or chrome ?
I use chrome tanned a lot. With the corrosion, is that only with certain metals or any metal? I ask because it makes me wonder about the rivets I've been using. I tend to use Tandy's rapid rivets.
Hi Brent,
Pretty much any metal will have some corrosion with chrome leathers. The severity of corrosion depends of course on what type of metal. Most people won’t care about the hardware corroding a little as it will just slowly look aged just as the leather will too with use. The big concern is just with Knives or guns, something that you don’t want to expose to chrome leather and have corrode.
Brent I used plated and solid brass rivets on chrome tanned, you want the solid brass, the plated rusted terrible if it got wet, the brass just turns green and doesn't leach rust into the leather.
Can you use ecoflo canuba creme on leather boots? Are all leather boots chrome tanned? Boots are very old and made by Fry.
How about burnishing? Is it ok to leave chrome tanned leather edges 'raw'?
Chuck what about safety while using chrome tan?
Why is the sound not in sync ?
I’d love to see a demo for a small chrome tanned project. Something not apparel oriented. Any chance?
Hi there, here are a few chrome tanned project videos we've done:
Phone holster: th-cam.com/video/j6p7wmR4DVM/w-d-xo.html
Leather Pouch: th-cam.com/video/9w-ChTPZ9Z0/w-d-xo.html
Leather Tote: th-cam.com/video/abhH3fnKeMM/w-d-xo.html
Tool Roll: th-cam.com/video/-B43RzCObNo/w-d-xo.html
Drawstring Pouch: th-cam.com/video/L7Cb0GqtCMI/w-d-xo.html
@@WeaverLeatherSupply Excellent! Thanks a bunch!
I need to know how to make a genuine snake skin hat band. My hat is a really good quality leather hat. I recently acquired a genuine copper head snake skin that I really want to make into a hat band for my favorite Bullhide leather hat. Do you know how to do this? I don't know how old the snake skin is but it's really dry and I know it's uncured. Thanks for any help you can offer. It would be awesome if you were to do a video on this. God bless you.
Allen!
Thanks for commenting and good question too!
Snake isn’t a tough one but it is far different than any animal. The trick is to preserve the skin, keep the scales intact and keep the color from fading (the biggest point). I am not the expert here. I have tanned several hides but never reptile. If you look on TH-cam for “Tanning a Snakeskin with Household Ingredients” you’ll get several videos. They’re a bit rough but it’s good information. And, a Taxidermist may be able to help as well and their advice would be top notch.
See if the videos or a Taxidermist can answer your question. If not let me know because I had a customer some time back that was a pro at retile. Unfortunately, I am struggling to remember who this was. If given some time I may remember, or at least, I can find a customer that works with snake.
Good luck and let me know how it goes!
I heard glycerin is what you want for snake, and then they glue it to very thin cow hide flesh side to flesh side.www.thetanneryinc.com/snakeskin.html
You must be crazy. Thinking someone is going to explain it to you step by step.
So a question I have is about the crome tanned leather, you said in the video that that type of leather didn’t mix well with metals, my question is it possible to add conchos and rivits and other hardware on projects that use that type of crome leather? I’m sure there a really simple answer to this question but i am just beginning to start working with leather and I am trying to learn as best as I can from who ever I can, and I just wanted to make sure before I go and start purchasing leather for whatever projects I plan to work on.
Hi James,
You shouldn't have any issues with chrome tans and hardware. The main reason we warn against using chrome to line a holster or sheath is because if the piece is stored in the holster or sheath for long periods of time, it can tarnish if it's a low grade of chrome tan leather. Hope that helps!
Weaver Leathercraft,
Thank you very much!! I am looking forward to purchasing more of your high quality tools and leather soon!!
Can you stamp chrome tan leather?
WHAT COMPANIES MAKE Veg.Tan WEAPONS & Tool HOLSTERS ?
I have some leather scraps that belonged to my dad. Is there a way to tell what is what and what it would be good for?
Hi Mike,
If the leather is dyed and fairly thin and supple, it's likely going to be chrome tanned. But, it's hard to tell without seeing it - some high-end Italian veg tan leather can be soft and supple.
Regular Veg tan will have some body and you'll be able to get a glossy edge by wetting it and burnishing with some canvas. That will give you a good idea also. Hope that helps!
Hi Chuck! I recently purchased a phone holster/ belt bag without the belt, in black bullhide. It's soft and pliable and feels thick. its truly adorable but I'm having an issue bc the owner of the shop said they tan the leather w ''chromium salts''. I need to know from you since you seem like ''the leather man'', if touching or this bag rubbing against my skin will be toxic. I am new to this whole cromium tanned leather discussion and have no idea. If anyone can let me know. Btw, you are AMAZING on your vids! informative and fun! thank you in advance! xoxox
Hi there,
Thanks so much for watching! You should have no issues with the chromes tans. These are used for sofas, car seats, garments, boots, shoes, purses… The only issue with chrome is with metal (knives, guns…) since it will tarnish the metal. There is a leather allergy out there but it’s very rare (something like 1 in 5 million, don’t hold me to that, but it’s somewhere in there) and even then it’s just minor skin irritation. The phone case sounds beautiful and you should have no problem with it!
@@WeaverLeatherSupply HEY!!:) omg I got so happy when you replied. Ok, so, the shop that makes my phone pouch is them: www.etsy.com/shop/ChaseTheMyth , and my pouch is all black and the cover is the shape of a leaf, which I love:) I got reassured w your reply, however my main issue with it, is that it SMELLS very strongly of I guess said chromium chemicals! :( Is there ANY way I can get rid of that smell???? I was gonna hang it outside in the fresh air. Is there any leather product You recommend I could use on it?. Lastly, the pouch has metal accents (steel rivets and a button to close it) do u think they'll turn the chromium into chromium 5?(the poisonous kind) SORRY for length of my messages!!!! I am a new subscriber here. I am actually vegan, mostly always wore vegan leather but I know some vegan leathers are actually harmful as well to the environment.(not ultrasuede or pinatex, I know those are great) I couldn't confirm where they sourced the leather for this pouch though. Anyway, thanks again, so much.!!! you are AMAZING.
I don't know of a product that you can use for the smell but the smell will fade with time and use. Hanging it outside and getting some fresh air definitely can't hurt. As far as the hardware, I really don't think you should have any issues, most products made of chrome tanned leather have some sort of rivets or hardware on them and I've never had an issue with any of mine. Hope that helps!
@@WeaverLeatherSupply Thank you so much! Last q ever i promise :::eyeroll:: lol, it rains a lot where I live. If I wanted to waterproof the item (again , it's bullhide tanned w chromium), what products do u recommend? the shop owner told me to use like some ''neatsfoot oil'' or vynil protector, but he didn't tell me which brand or which one. I thought maybe you knew. Thank you so much!!! for your amazingly thorough replies on everything. you're the man!!! xoxox
It’s no problem! Ask whatever will help! In my opinion, there isn’t a total waterproof product that works for leather. It’s a very porous medium and moisture can be kept from the top grain but it will get in through edges, size holes, stitch lines…, so, I may suggest the Bickmore Gard-More Water and Stain Repellent. This will make the water bead on the surface and give it some pretty good protection. Oil (Neatsfoot) will work but it can be a mess. If too much is added then it will wick onto anything it touches (car seats, sofas, other people, us…), so, go with something like the Bickmore and I think you’ll get as close to waterproof as you can.
Can you dye chrome tanned?
Hi what is the name of the thick leather for making belt?
I bought a piece of oil tanned leather to make a book cover. A day of setting in a room it gave off a chemical odor. Will this disappate? I assume the salts will react to the metal rivets I intend to use.
The smell should go away - it depends a little bit on what tannery the leather came from. A quality piece of chrome tanned leather shouldn't affect the metal rivets. We've done some testing recently on our end by wrapping hardware in a piece of chrome tanned suede and after many months of this, the metal looked the same as the day we placed it in the leather.
Hey sir. Do you know what type of leather it's using gymnastics grips?
A common leather for gymnastics gloves and grips is suede. The suede, much like a saddle seat, will give you some grip and it’s pretty easy to work with, and, inexpensive. Lots of great colors too: www.weaverleathersupply.com/catalog/ItemCatalogListing/001/34
Hello Mr. Dorsett, I just want to ask about oil tanned leather. If I make a bag made out of it, and that bag was properly cared, will it last a lifetime like the vegtan?
That is a great question. I think both, if cared for, will last longer than we will! Ha! I hate to date myself, but when first working with leather, I made an oil side pouch for my folks as a camera bag/carry all. This must have been in the '80s and they recently passed it back to me since they no longer us it. Being an oil side and a little rustic to begin with, it looks like it was made yesterday. Either should be a great choice for longevity if, like you say, it’s cared for. Thanks for the question.
Weaver Leather Craft Supply. Thank you so much Mr. Dorsett!
Hey Chuck! I am looking at Antique brown, 11-1250B Chrome tan. Looks like some people have used it for sheaths. I would love to have a water Buffalo sheath but don’t want my knife ruined. Anything I can put on the inside to protect my knife?
Hi Carson,
The 11-1250 leather is vegetable tanned so it shouldn't ruin your knife - it's got a pretty smooth flesh side as well.
@@WeaverLeatherSupply Perfect! Thanks for the info! Any ideas on a cross draw/horizontal sheath for a knife?
Hi, thanks for your video. May be you know what type of leather is timberland Kendrick shoes. I don’t know what cream to use to care leather. Please, help me..
Hi Dennis,
I don't know what kind of leather this is but if you're looking for a leather conditioner, I might suggest Smith's Leather Balm - this works great on shoes. www.weaverleathersupply.com/catalog/item-detail/50205-01/smiths-leather-balm/pr_65525
I’ve noticed that you mention that the chrome tanned reacts with the metals when used for holsters but your tool roll video you use chrome tanned leather for the roll containing metal tools. I’m confused by this. If chrome tanned affects metals, what would you suggest using for a dedicated chisel roll?
Lol the answer to your question is the only other kind of leather he talks about in this video.
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Cool...don’t be dick.
Deep blue stitch line!
What weight of veg tanned leather would I use for a molded holster?
In the holster video below, Chuck used a 7/8 oz. lined with a 2/3 oz.
www.weaverleathersupply.com/catalog/cp_/shop-by-project/holsters/leather-gun-holster