“More people have been to Berlin than you have.” Help I can feel my brain disintegrating desperately trying to understand this despite knowing it makes no sense.
Maybe it's because English isn't my first language but the phrase just works in my head. Too many people "have been" to Berlin while you are just one person. Even if you go to Berlin right now, more people "have been" to Berlin than you have because you can never be more than the full group of people that ever "have been" to Berlin among all human history (or at least Berlin history tbf). The second example feels more illogical but also make sense in my head, since colorless and green are mutually exclusive only if you think in colors, not concepts. You can interpret green as environmentalist idea and colorless like something that don't relate to colors (in a race discussion kinda way). Then a idea can be colorless (doesn't have nothing to do with color, race, etc) and also green (Environmentalist). Furiously can also be figurative to intensity level, and someone can also sleep intensively. Sleep can also be figurative, as an idea that nobody thinks about it. Yeah, i guess both of us are intrigued but for completely different reasons.
@@JaceGameplayI agree. In my head thr first sentence makes sense, as there's an implication that the comparison is "how many times has someone been to Berlin". It is a truth-ism, that no matter how many times you've been to Berlin, the number of other people across all of history who have been there is indeed higher than the amount of times you have, so it's definitely a flawed statement, but I read it and it makes perfect sense to me.
This makes sense! I do not possess or 'have' any people. More than one person has been to Berlin. Therefore, more people have been to Berlin than I have.
@Cacpis ok so you're saying that more people have been to Berlin that the amount of people you currently own. That seems to make sense to me! But maybe I'm being tricked again 😅
My mom had two she used my whole childhood to mean "that doesn't make any sense." "Do you walk to work or carry your lunch?" As if those things are somehow mutually exclusive. And "is it farther to Chicago than by bus?"
They both work if the context applies. Saying I’m selling a rolling lunch box. Do you walk to work or carry your lunch? Works because either or I have a product that might help. You can say both, one or the other or neither. They don’t cancel each other out. If I was selling plane tickets and someone asked “is it further to Chicago than by bus?” There sentence is complete and with context makes sense.
Nah cause I fuck with "colorless green ideas sleep furiously." Like ong. In fact, it's not even wrong if you find a manner in which green ideas can become colorless, and personify the ideas so that they can perform sleeping under a certain emotion. Kinda like a metaphor. But "more people have been to Berlin than you have" is just so fucked. It sounds so natural but is inherently and un-fixably flawed and I love it.
Celina Spooky Boo's sleepwalking videos are exactly the idea of colorless green ideas sleeping furiously. They're in greyscale even though night vision is usually tinted green, and she absolutely sleeps furiously.
Just to be pedantic 😅 it wouldn't be a _metaphor_ but, as you were close to mentioning, it would be _personification._ It would be a metaphor, though, if you were describing something else as "colorless green ideas", for example: "The vexed boys were colorless green ideas that slept furiously." (It doesn't necessarily have to be all one sentence like this)
I had to have it put here and told it was funky, had to have a second pass, then come to the comments where I read it two different times before it finally clocked how off it was. part of that is because I'm tired and need to sleep, but it is like one of those paintings where the more you look the more messed up stuff you see, only I can't figure out how it should go.
Ooooooh thats neat! A new fact has been added into my inner encyclopedia that holds random facts that i reandomly learn like this one. You my good sir have given me a fact i will NEVER forget!
I understand this initially as “more people have traveled to Berlin than you have traveled to Berlin yourself” and I have trouble interpreting it other ways. It seems like linguistic shorthand to me.
When someone says “more people have done X than you have” I interpret than to mean “more people have done X than you have done yourself” I don’t understand the confusion.
@@MaxVoshall"more people have done X than you have done yourself" also makes no sense. The only way it makes sense is if "people" are the object of "do"
That kinda makes sense but on the other hand it is kinda weird to compare number or people to number of actions. It's like that old video from vsauce where a crocodile was described as "more long than green". These phrases appear valid, but are grammatically incorrect/incomplete.
@@MaxVoshall The confusion is about trying to make sense of incorrect grammar. If someone said a sentence like this I would assume that what they meant to say is what you're trying to describe also, that "the amount of people that have been to Berlin is greater than the number of time you've been there". But by breaking down what the first sentence "More people have been to Berlin than you have" we get a comparison between 'people that have been to Berlin' and 'have you been to Berlin?' and the first word "more" is stating that the first of the two is greater. So it's something like saying a billion is greater than yes. The use of "than you have" would make the comparison work if we instead talk about the number of times people went there, for example "Only ten people have gone to Berlin more times than you have"
@@MaxVoshall Even if you can cobble together a semi-coherent meaning, it's an utterly pointless statement that no one would ever say-obviously, the quantity of one person's visits to Berlin couldn't possibly be greater than the quantity of people who have EVER been to Berlin. The point he's making is that syntax and semantics can make things SEEM to make sense even if they logically are nonsensical. This isn't a puzzle that you were supposed to figure out. smh.
You just need to change the inflection on the last word. Then the meaning of "more people have gone to Berlin than you have" becomes "you possess fewer people than have gone to Berlin," making the statement both grammatically correct and true
Not true though. You haven't specified personal possession. It's not "More people have been to Berlin than the people you have/own" which would be a weird sentence, but technically grammatically correct. It's "More people have been to Berlin than you have" which makes no sense because it's compared the number of people that have gone to Berlin to the amount of times you have gone to Berlin which is not a logical comparison.
I love the first illusion cus it sounds like a combination of similar comparisons! More people have been to Berlin than (another place), and (another person) has been to Berlin more than you have! The middle part is nearly the same so the switch can be made seamlessly. I wonder if you can make similar illusions with other comparisons if they have the same middle.
Reminds me of the Jerry Springer episode where the audience was roasting a sibling couple and making "in the family" jokes, then the guy from the couple said to an audience member "you look like your parents slept together too." And the whole crowd (and most of the comments section on YT) perceived it as an incest joke, then Jerry said "well everyone's parents slept together"
That still doesn't make any sense. More people can't go to Berlin, because "more people" isn't a person. Like actually try to make the comparison: I have been to Berlin one time, but how many times have "more people" been to Berlin.
for some reason the first sentence "more people have been to berlin than you have" just makes sense to me, there are more people that have been to berlin than I have ever went (i have never went, maybe that's why)
It makes no sense because you are comparing two different things. "More people" tries to compare the amount of people to the times you have been to Berlin. There is a way to make the sentence correct, and it is for you to own people. Then you are comparing the amount of people that have been to Berlin to the amount of people you own. People to people comparison, and thus the sentence makes sense. It would be like saying that the eifel tower is longer than my car weighs. That would be comparing length to mass.
@@MK-13337not quite. The sentence is comparing the number of people that have visited Berlin, to the fact that you have (or have not) been to Berlin. Using programming terms is a good way to show this. Assuming that only 10 people have ever been to Berlin, and you are not one of those people, this sentence is trying to say that 10 > True
@@sirdurtle9519 I don't think so. If the sentence was "I have been to Berlin more than you" then the comparison is between the amount we have been to Berlin. Thus the "more" being linked to "have been in Berlin" means we are looking at how many times you have been to Berlin. It could be interpreted multiple ways to be sure.
Structurally, I think what our mind tries to compare is how often other people visit Berlin, versus how often you do. So we take it as "Many people visit Berlin more often than I do," which is a transformation we would often do mentally, but grammatically we have a complete incongruency between a count of individuals engaging in the act, and a single individual with only 2 possible states.
@zetjet9901 if you read it properly you'll eventually come to realize that this effectively means "All head injuries should be ignored, no matter how trivial"
As an Australian, this sentence makes perfect sense to me. Reason being, that last section "than you have" does NOT indicate possession over "more people." We convey possession differently in Australia, for the sentence not to make sense - that section should say "than you('ve) got." Hence "More people have been to Berlin than you've got..." Now, that doesn't make sense. But in the orignal, "than you have" is considered a colloquial shorthand for "than you have been."
Well, brillig is the time when you start boiling things for supper, around 4pm. Slithy is a portmanteau of slimy and lithe, and a tove is of course a type of badger/lizard/corkscrew. Makes perfect sense if you simply know what the words mean.
Or mathematically you could say this: (this is the way my brain processed the statement) If y= number of "other people" (we just need multiple of them to have gone) and x= number of *times* you have, y > x.
Crazy. My mom was an English teacher for a while, and without even being fooled by it, I started subconsciously thinking of ways for the sentence to be fixed.
Kinda may have started Beef with someone with your ranking rare punctuations video and used the term imgrammatical (since corrected to ingrammatical). And they found evidence that both are considered correct. So now im curious. And also it's REALLY FUNNY that not even an hour after my debate, this video popped up with you using it. Anyway Love your stuff. Fantastic job. Keep being awesome 🧡🧡🧡
i like: "The mountains are steeper on foot than downhill" "What is the difference between a crow? both legs are the same length, especially the left one"
"More people have been to Berlin than you have" implies that you have less people than there are people that have been to Berlin. This is a gramatically correct sentence
@@Schattenhall if you mean to have sex with someone, it would be “have had.” Have would make sense if you had people locked up in your basement I guess.
At first I thought I understood, thinking it meant “more people have been to Berlin than me,” but even that doesn’t make sense now that I think about it again
It’s quite simple. I have no people who have been to Berlin. Therefore, more people have been to Berlin than I have. I can rephrase it as “More people have been to Berlin than you’ve got.” Which is true because I do not have people.
I interpreted it as have been as in more people have been to Berlin than you have (been to Berlin( do if more than 1 person was ever in Berlin the statement is true
Or "Regardless of the number of times you've been or the number of other people who've also been, the second number should always be bigger since you're just you."
I once fell asleep in the backseat of a car for like a second and immediately had a dream where I thought, "It's terrible to wear a jacket in the back of a mess."
Being half asleep, it took me way too long to realize why the sentence didn’t make sense. I was just sitting there like “no he’s right, I haven’t been to Berlin”
I made the mistake of still trying to decipher "More people have been to Berlin than you have" and actually started to become disoriented and achy. Thanks I hate it, but also how dare you I love it
“More people have been to Berlin than you have.” I feel like this is the type of stuff that unintelligent people say all the time, and my instinct is just to translate it in my head like "many people have been to Berlin more times than you have".
Sentence 1 seems like it would make sense if you emphasise the 'have' to imply its alternate meaning; 'to own'. I would argue that I own myself, and no other people. Therefore, the 'people I have' is 'one person'. Thus it is true that more people have entered Berlin than the people I have.
True, you could also potentially make sense of it by comparing the amount of people (who have been to Berlin) with the event (times I have been to Berlin) it is a bit stranger, but seems to come closer to how people initially interpret the sentence (and yes, I have an idea how people interpret the sentence, because I did an experiment on it for my MA in psycholinguistics.)
My brain fills “more people have been to Berlin than you have” with “…been to berlin” as in number of times I’ve been to Berlin (0) but wow it cost me mental gymnastics to get there
I've been to Berlin 3 times as myself for a total of about three years. Even though I've been to Berlin more than most people in the world I believe more people have been to Berlin than I have.
"More people have been to Berlin than you have." aka the number of people that have been to Berlin is greater than the number of times I've been. This sounds like saying you can't compare how many oranges you have to how many apples you have because oranges and apples aren't the same fruit. The sentence sounds correct because it is interpreted correctly. I'm pretty confident that languages work on the basis that a thought spoken aloud is understood properly by the person being spoken to. Just because the words aren't in the right order doesn't mean it doesn't make sense. Another example is when "whom" and "who" are mixed up. You still understand the intention, therefore there's not really a problem.
As I understand it, the sentence just compares persons with persons. [More people] [have been in Berlin] [than you] [have (been in Berlin)]. The only thing that seems me weird here is the last “have”, since I'd find it beter either omitted ot followed by another “been in Berlin”.
That's actually conversationally acceptable(*), as far as I know, in Australian English (in fact, I'm fairly sure I've heard people use similar constructions before), which is why it looks _so_ wrong when analysed using formal rules (don't you love linguistics?) The phrasal verb 'to be to' is an idiomatic replacement for 'visit', and 'have' is an otherwise semantically-void tense marker. You could re-write it as 'more people have visited Berlin than you', which is formally gramatically correct _but also_ makes the comparison ambiguous, which gives a clue as to why the second 'have' is appended. 'More people have been to Berlin than you have' doesn't scan according to the overt grammar rules of formal English, but it _does_ scan according to the underlying grammar rules of English in general - the 'superfluous' tense-marker is serving as a subject-marker as well. In fact, I instinctively tried to correct this to 'More people visited Berlin than you _did'_ until I realised that's not formally gramatically correct either. Apparently, conversational Australian English allows you to tense-mark nouns; who knew? (* From a descriptivist/intelligibility standpoint)
in german there is a poem about that called "dunkel wars, der Mond schien helle" (dark it was, the moon shines brightly) with verses like "auf der blauen bank, die rot gestrichen war, saß ein blond gelockter knabe mit kohlrabenschwarzem Haar" (on the blue bench, that was painted red, sat a blond-locked boy with pitch black hair)
If I was an English teacher, I'd make my students try to interpret Jabberwocky as an April Fools day prank
Do this every year. Find the linguists who overthink the hell out of the assignment. Get them into linguistics.
I had to do that for a drama class in 7th grade- not for April Fool's-
The Jabberwocky does have a structure and flow to it though so you can actually analyze it (I'm an English major and this is one of my favorite poems)
@@Si1vercherry this brought back a completely forgotten memory, pretty sure we had to do this too.
I'm french. Our English teacher gave us the poem to study. Not as a joke.
Most of us were utterly lost.
More people have been to berlin than you have.
That's correct! I do not have that many people.
Oh shit I think you just genuinely cracked it
holy shit, that actually solved it. well played
Ahhh yes, I only have 3 people. Many more they 3 have been to Berlin. 😂.
I think the intonation needs to be different for this meaning
Outstanding move
I just thought of it meaning that people in general have made more trips to Berlin than I have, a tautology.
“More people have been to Berlin than you have.”
Help I can feel my brain disintegrating desperately trying to understand this despite knowing it makes no sense.
Maybe it's because English isn't my first language but the phrase just works in my head.
Too many people "have been" to Berlin while you are just one person. Even if you go to Berlin right now, more people "have been" to Berlin than you have because you can never be more than the full group of people that ever "have been" to Berlin among all human history (or at least Berlin history tbf).
The second example feels more illogical but also make sense in my head, since colorless and green are mutually exclusive only if you think in colors, not concepts. You can interpret green as environmentalist idea and colorless like something that don't relate to colors (in a race discussion kinda way). Then a idea can be colorless (doesn't have nothing to do with color, race, etc) and also green (Environmentalist). Furiously can also be figurative to intensity level, and someone can also sleep intensively. Sleep can also be figurative, as an idea that nobody thinks about it.
Yeah, i guess both of us are intrigued but for completely different reasons.
@@JaceGameplayI agree. In my head thr first sentence makes sense, as there's an implication that the comparison is "how many times has someone been to Berlin". It is a truth-ism, that no matter how many times you've been to Berlin, the number of other people across all of history who have been there is indeed higher than the amount of times you have, so it's definitely a flawed statement, but I read it and it makes perfect sense to me.
I mean, I've never been to Berlin so more people HAVE been to Berlin than I have.
This makes sense!
I do not possess or 'have' any people.
More than one person has been to Berlin.
Therefore, more people have been to Berlin than I have.
@Cacpis ok so you're saying that more people have been to Berlin that the amount of people you currently own.
That seems to make sense to me! But maybe I'm being tricked again 😅
My mom had two she used my whole childhood to mean "that doesn't make any sense."
"Do you walk to work or carry your lunch?" As if those things are somehow mutually exclusive.
And "is it farther to Chicago than by bus?"
That last one broke me
that last last one is subtle I love it lol
the first one is also so goofy it's perfect
Last one is giving “jow many liberals does it take to change a log by bolb”
In germany there is a well known version of this.
It translates to:
At night it's colder than outside.
They both work if the context applies. Saying I’m selling a rolling lunch box. Do you walk to work or carry your lunch? Works because either or I have a product that might help. You can say both, one or the other or neither. They don’t cancel each other out.
If I was selling plane tickets and someone asked “is it further to Chicago than by bus?” There sentence is complete and with context makes sense.
Day 1 of asking for bee language using movement
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ASL?
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Broski, that Tiamat profile pic is epic.
Nah cause I fuck with "colorless green ideas sleep furiously." Like ong. In fact, it's not even wrong if you find a manner in which green ideas can become colorless, and personify the ideas so that they can perform sleeping under a certain emotion. Kinda like a metaphor.
But "more people have been to Berlin than you have" is just so fucked. It sounds so natural but is inherently and un-fixably flawed and I love it.
Celina Spooky Boo's sleepwalking videos are exactly the idea of colorless green ideas sleeping furiously.
They're in greyscale even though night vision is usually tinted green, and she absolutely sleeps furiously.
@@DembaiVT🤯
Context, you are a commander. Contextual existence rectified the broken mess.
Objectively fuckin wrong.
Just to be pedantic 😅 it wouldn't be a _metaphor_ but, as you were close to mentioning, it would be _personification._
It would be a metaphor, though, if you were describing something else as "colorless green ideas", for example:
"The vexed boys were colorless green ideas that slept furiously."
(It doesn't necessarily have to be all one sentence like this)
I love that you referred to my absolute favourite poem. Jabberwocky is great.
excuse me I've been to Berlin before so more people definitely couldn't have than I have
So are you saying you are a bigger amount than all the people who have been to Berlin?
It took me a second to understand what he said.
Then I read this and understand what people mean when they say "I had a stroke reading that".
Hey, as long as they have been in you, we’re fine with it.
no, because fewer people have been to Berlin than they have @@Lrozzie
I disagree... You are one, more are many 😅
me and the squad, gyring and gimbling in the wabe
Yeasssss, as y'all should.
Were y'all's borogoves all mimsy tho
we making it outta the wabe with this one
wyd when my gang gimble up
who up outgrabeing they mome wraths rn
Even after thinking, I needed you to explain it for me to understand why it was incorrect.
I still don't understand
@@shaeisgae8952Because you can’t actually tell what’s being compared
I had to have it put here and told it was funky, had to have a second pass, then come to the comments where I read it two different times before it finally clocked how off it was.
part of that is because I'm tired and need to sleep, but it is like one of those paintings where the more you look the more messed up stuff you see, only I can't figure out how it should go.
That reminds me of my grandpa who'd say stuff like: "At night it's colder than outside" or "By foot it's shorter than through the woods"
It's only as far as you don't go.
Are you by any chance German? Because those sound like some german classics, especially "Nachts ist es kälter als draußen"
@@5FeetUnder__ ja ich glaube das sieht man auch an meinem Namen xD
Ooooooh thats neat! A new fact has been added into my inner encyclopedia that holds random facts that i reandomly learn like this one. You my good sir have given me a fact i will NEVER forget!
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I understand this initially as “more people have traveled to Berlin than you have traveled to Berlin yourself” and I have trouble interpreting it other ways. It seems like linguistic shorthand to me.
When someone says “more people have done X than you have” I interpret than to mean “more people have done X than you have done yourself” I don’t understand the confusion.
@@MaxVoshall"more people have done X than you have done yourself" also makes no sense. The only way it makes sense is if "people" are the object of "do"
That kinda makes sense but on the other hand it is kinda weird to compare number or people to number of actions. It's like that old video from vsauce where a crocodile was described as "more long than green".
These phrases appear valid, but are grammatically incorrect/incomplete.
@@MaxVoshall The confusion is about trying to make sense of incorrect grammar. If someone said a sentence like this I would assume that what they meant to say is what you're trying to describe also, that "the amount of people that have been to Berlin is greater than the number of time you've been there". But by breaking down what the first sentence "More people have been to Berlin than you have" we get a comparison between 'people that have been to Berlin' and 'have you been to Berlin?' and the first word "more" is stating that the first of the two is greater. So it's something like saying a billion is greater than yes.
The use of "than you have" would make the comparison work if we instead talk about the number of times people went there, for example "Only ten people have gone to Berlin more times than you have"
@@MaxVoshall Even if you can cobble together a semi-coherent meaning, it's an utterly pointless statement that no one would ever say-obviously, the quantity of one person's visits to Berlin couldn't possibly be greater than the quantity of people who have EVER been to Berlin. The point he's making is that syntax and semantics can make things SEEM to make sense even if they logically are nonsensical.
This isn't a puzzle that you were supposed to figure out. smh.
You just need to change the inflection on the last word. Then the meaning of "more people have gone to Berlin than you have" becomes "you possess fewer people than have gone to Berlin," making the statement both grammatically correct and true
not true im my case.
dont look in the basement.
Not true though. You haven't specified personal possession.
It's not "More people have been to Berlin than the people you have/own" which would be a weird sentence, but technically grammatically correct.
It's "More people have been to Berlin than you have" which makes no sense because it's compared the number of people that have gone to Berlin to the amount of times you have gone to Berlin which is not a logical comparison.
Or "multiple people (who aren't you) have gone there in the first place" could work!
I love the first illusion cus it sounds like a combination of similar comparisons! More people have been to Berlin than (another place), and (another person) has been to Berlin more than you have! The middle part is nearly the same so the switch can be made seamlessly. I wonder if you can make similar illusions with other comparisons if they have the same middle.
Reminds me of the Jerry Springer episode where the audience was roasting a sibling couple and making "in the family" jokes, then the guy from the couple said to an audience member "you look like your parents slept together too." And the whole crowd (and most of the comments section on YT) perceived it as an incest joke, then Jerry said "well everyone's parents slept together"
I like most of your content a lot man. Thanks
I interpreted that sentence as “More people have been to Berlin [more times] than you have”
That still doesn't make any sense. More people can't go to Berlin, because "more people" isn't a person. Like actually try to make the comparison: I have been to Berlin one time, but how many times have "more people" been to Berlin.
for some reason the first sentence "more people have been to berlin than you have" just makes sense to me, there are more people that have been to berlin than I have ever went (i have never went, maybe that's why)
Same here
It makes no sense because you are comparing two different things. "More people" tries to compare the amount of people to the times you have been to Berlin.
There is a way to make the sentence correct, and it is for you to own people. Then you are comparing the amount of people that have been to Berlin to the amount of people you own. People to people comparison, and thus the sentence makes sense.
It would be like saying that the eifel tower is longer than my car weighs. That would be comparing length to mass.
it might be more obvious if you rewrite the sentence to say "More people than you have, have been to berlin"
@@MK-13337not quite. The sentence is comparing the number of people that have visited Berlin, to the fact that you have (or have not) been to Berlin.
Using programming terms is a good way to show this. Assuming that only 10 people have ever been to Berlin, and you are not one of those people, this sentence is trying to say that 10 > True
@@sirdurtle9519 I don't think so. If the sentence was "I have been to Berlin more than you" then the comparison is between the amount we have been to Berlin. Thus the "more" being linked to "have been in Berlin" means we are looking at how many times you have been to Berlin. It could be interpreted multiple ways to be sure.
Structurally, I think what our mind tries to compare is how often other people visit Berlin, versus how often you do. So we take it as "Many people visit Berlin more often than I do," which is a transformation we would often do mentally, but grammatically we have a complete incongruency between a count of individuals engaging in the act, and a single individual with only 2 possible states.
My response was "Well, you're just one person. The number of *people* who've been there is larger than the number of *times* you have- easy!
and no head injury is too trivial to be ignored
huh wait can you explain this one
@zetjet9901 if you read it properly you'll eventually come to realize that this effectively means "All head injuries should be ignored, no matter how trivial"
@@Deedoo_r ohh thank you
Well this one is different as it makes grammatical sense just not literal sense
@@Gavin_M.unless you interpret the Berlin one as you owning people lol
"more people have been to Berlin than you own"
the amount if people that have been to Berlin is higher than the amount of people I have been to Berlin
As an Australian, this sentence makes perfect sense to me. Reason being, that last section "than you have" does NOT indicate possession over "more people." We convey possession differently in Australia, for the sentence not to make sense - that section should say "than you('ve) got."
Hence "More people have been to Berlin than you've got..." Now, that doesn't make sense. But in the orignal, "than you have" is considered a colloquial shorthand for "than you have been."
Well, brillig is the time when you start boiling things for supper, around 4pm. Slithy is a portmanteau of slimy and lithe, and a tove is of course a type of badger/lizard/corkscrew. Makes perfect sense if you simply know what the words mean.
and if you make up meanings for those words, now you know what they mean
I was like that's literally wrong but I'm too tired so it isn't.
It’s so refreshing to see how excited you get
I am only 1 person, i have never been to Berlin, i hear there have been at least 12 people in Berlin, ergo it's true 😂
bro said ergo 💀💀
@@e7193bro said skull emoji skull emoji
@@e7193complaining about words in a linguistic short content channel is like complaining about drugs to your drug dealer.
@@e7193 what are you 12? Go eat Dinosaur nuggets and do your math homework or something. Maybe clean your room as well.
@@JaceGameplayjacist
"More people have been to Berlin that you have" that sounded trippy so i had to pause and re-read it over and over trying to make sense of it 😂
But my brain understands it. Take it literally. I have never been to Berlin. So more people have. Been to belin than me
I'm on board with you. I'm more perplexed at people getting stumped by these types of questions than I am with the questions themselves.
It says "you have". You have what? "You have" is not describing anything
Or mathematically you could say this: (this is the way my brain processed the statement) If y= number of "other people" (we just need multiple of them to have gone) and x= number of *times* you have, y > x.
I'm literally performing The Jabberwocky for my literature class this week, I have it memorized and everything
Crazy. My mom was an English teacher for a while, and without even being fooled by it, I started subconsciously thinking of ways for the sentence to be fixed.
You are my favorite TH-camr.
Long shot but can you do a video explaining the differences and uses of "ungrammatical" versus "grammatically incorrect"?
Kinda may have started Beef with someone with your ranking rare punctuations video and used the term imgrammatical (since corrected to ingrammatical). And they found evidence that both are considered correct. So now im curious. And also it's REALLY FUNNY that not even an hour after my debate, this video popped up with you using it.
Anyway
Love your stuff. Fantastic job. Keep being awesome 🧡🧡🧡
this is one of my favourite types of humor
It does make sense!!! It means more individuals have been there than times you’ve been there…
No matter how hard I try to find the error I know is there, I simply can’t find it even after it’s been laid out neatly for me
As a number of people, I have been to Berlin 0 people.
I had a teacher who used to say "at night it's colder than outside" when someone was comparing... apples and oranges! I still like it
"He ain't doin nothing!" is another one that I always hear
Say anything with enough confidence and people will not question it 💀
so it’s kinda like chatgpt
i like:
"The mountains are steeper on foot than downhill"
"What is the difference between a crow? both legs are the same length, especially the left one"
My favorite example: 🎵 New York, concrete jungle where dreams are made of 🎶 - Made of what?
"More people have been to Berlin than you have" implies that you have less people than there are people that have been to Berlin. This is a gramatically correct sentence
what do you mean by "have less people"?
What's the "have" supposed to mean
@@Johndoe-mv5iiYou know what it means to "have" a break? Same concept but with people
@@Schattenhall if you mean to have sex with someone, it would be “have had.” Have would make sense if you had people locked up in your basement I guess.
I originally heard it as “more people have entered Berlin than you have” and I thought he was making fun of my lack of intimate partners
the way it took me, a history major, at least a whole minute to figure out what was wrong with the statement
"More people have been to Berlin than [the times] you have" is how I interpreted this time, meaning a logoca jump that makes it a true statement.
It’s a totally functional sentence until you add the word “have”
At first I thought I understood, thinking it meant “more people have been to Berlin than me,” but even that doesn’t make sense now that I think about it again
The rabbit hops under the smelling road fluently.
Jabberwocky was in the first linguistics lecture i ever listened to lmao
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It’s quite simple. I have no people who have been to Berlin. Therefore, more people have been to Berlin than I have.
I can rephrase it as “More people have been to Berlin than you’ve got.” Which is true because I do not have people.
@@roachybill if you aren’t here to engage in sillyism, I cannot communicate with you.
(Court ordered)
Huh, I think he deleted the comment
I interpreted it as have been as in more people have been to Berlin than you have (been to Berlin( do if more than 1 person was ever in Berlin the statement is true
“More people have been to Berlin than just you” is a pretty similar sentence that is grammatical
Or "Regardless of the number of times you've been or the number of other people who've also been, the second number should always be bigger since you're just you."
this sounds like something my brain would come up with during a dream
I once fell asleep in the backseat of a car for like a second and immediately had a dream where I thought, "It's terrible to wear a jacket in the back of a mess."
Naw. As SOON as I heard him say it this first time, I went “What does that even mean?”
My brain shortcircuited when I heard the sentence and I wasn't ecen paying attention.
I have less people than people have been to Berlin. Facts.
If you pronance it slightly differently: than YOU have
You reading the first lines of Jabberwocky made me relive my phonetics classes in uni
"More people have been to Berlin than you have" actually makes perfect sense because I have zero people
Being half asleep, it took me way too long to realize why the sentence didn’t make sense. I was just sitting there like “no he’s right, I haven’t been to Berlin”
It took me a solid 3 minutes to figure out why it was wrong, because my brain wanted it to make sense so much
I made the mistake of still trying to decipher "More people have been to Berlin than you have" and actually started to become disoriented and achy. Thanks I hate it, but also how dare you I love it
Or my favorite sentence "It's colder at night than outside."
“More people have been to Berlin than you have.” I feel like this is the type of stuff that unintelligent people say all the time, and my instinct is just to translate it in my head like "many people have been to Berlin more times than you have".
Gods I love this channel
Sentence 1 seems like it would make sense if you emphasise the 'have' to imply its alternate meaning; 'to own'.
I would argue that I own myself, and no other people. Therefore, the 'people I have' is 'one person'. Thus it is true that more people have entered Berlin than the people I have.
Ooh, clever!
Oh, interesting! I interpreted it as a weird way of saying "most of the human experiences of going to Berlin were not by you."
I was thinking this too! Since I obviously don’t have any people, and surely at least one person has been to Berlin.
True, you could also potentially make sense of it by comparing the amount of people (who have been to Berlin) with the event (times I have been to Berlin) it is a bit stranger, but seems to come closer to how people initially interpret the sentence (and yes, I have an idea how people interpret the sentence, because I did an experiment on it for my MA in psycholinguistics.)
Durch den Wald ist kürzer als zu Fuß. A Classic.
I read it like; “more people have collectively visited berlin than i have personally”
Still doesn’t make sense tho
it makes sense in my head, it means something like: more different people have visited berlin at least once than i have visited berlin myself in total
My brain fills “more people have been to Berlin than you have” with “…been to berlin” as in number of times I’ve been to Berlin (0) but wow it cost me mental gymnastics to get there
That's the way my brain automatically fills it, finding it very difficult to see what the nonsense of the sentence could be
No the sentence just MAKES SENSE
In Germany there is one where you say: At nights it’s colder than outside.
I've been to Berlin 3 times as myself for a total of about three years. Even though I've been to Berlin more than most people in the world I believe more people have been to Berlin than I have.
The Berlin sentence makes complete sense if have is simply referring to possession ‘you have two people’ it works right
Jabberwocky is probably my favourite piece of litterature.
this is one of those rare channels that tickles your brain
I was immediately confused by that sentence, then he explained it and I knew why I was confused
It's colder in the night then outside
Ohhhhh it took a while to click in, I scrolled up and was about to ask when I realised it.
My first thought was, "I've never been to Berlin"
bro loves that poem lol
I have zero people. The number of people who have been to Berlin is greater than zero
more people have been to berlin than you have legitimately broke my brain
It really took me a minute to figure out why "More people have been to Berlin than you have" doesn't make sense.
i feel like this could this be interpreted as:
“the amount of people who have been to berlin exceeds the amount of times you have been to berlin”
Actually the sentence makes sense, i have far fewer people in my basement than Berlin sees tourists in a year
It makes perfect sense! I have no people, and at least one person has been to Berlin you just gotta fix the stress
"More people have been to Berlin than you have."
aka the number of people that have been to Berlin is greater than the number of times I've been.
This sounds like saying you can't compare how many oranges you have to how many apples you have because oranges and apples aren't the same fruit. The sentence sounds correct because it is interpreted correctly. I'm pretty confident that languages work on the basis that a thought spoken aloud is understood properly by the person being spoken to.
Just because the words aren't in the right order doesn't mean it doesn't make sense. Another example is when "whom" and "who" are mixed up. You still understand the intention, therefore there's not really a problem.
As I understand it, the sentence just compares persons with persons. [More people] [have been in Berlin] [than you] [have (been in Berlin)]. The only thing that seems me weird here is the last “have”, since I'd find it beter either omitted ot followed by another “been in Berlin”.
"You have" on its own doesn't imply anything about number of times, you just inserted that meaning on your own
You were in my dream guarding an aisle at an ACE hardware last night
The proportion of people that have been to Berlin *is* higher than the proportion of me that has been to Berlin.
this reminds me of how speech makes no sense to a person that's just woken up😂
I was quite annoyed when you told me that more people have been to Berlin than I have and was about to pick a fight
Fall Out Boy does this all the time in their lyrics, Just One Yesterday being a prime example.
That's actually conversationally acceptable(*), as far as I know, in Australian English (in fact, I'm fairly sure I've heard people use similar constructions before), which is why it looks _so_ wrong when analysed using formal rules (don't you love linguistics?)
The phrasal verb 'to be to' is an idiomatic replacement for 'visit', and 'have' is an otherwise semantically-void tense marker. You could re-write it as 'more people have visited Berlin than you', which is formally gramatically correct _but also_ makes the comparison ambiguous, which gives a clue as to why the second 'have' is appended. 'More people have been to Berlin than you have' doesn't scan according to the overt grammar rules of formal English, but it _does_ scan according to the underlying grammar rules of English in general - the 'superfluous' tense-marker is serving as a subject-marker as well. In fact, I instinctively tried to correct this to 'More people visited Berlin than you _did'_ until I realised that's not formally gramatically correct either. Apparently, conversational Australian English allows you to tense-mark nouns; who knew?
(* From a descriptivist/intelligibility standpoint)
in german there is a poem about that called "dunkel wars, der Mond schien helle" (dark it was, the moon shines brightly) with verses like "auf der blauen bank, die rot gestrichen war, saß ein blond gelockter knabe mit kohlrabenschwarzem Haar" (on the blue bench, that was painted red, sat a blond-locked boy with pitch black hair)
My brain is killing itself trying to comprehend this Berlin thing
- I thought your yacht was larger than it is
- No, my yacht is not larger than it is
That makes grammatical sense though. It compares the past imaginary visual of the yacht to the present real yacht.
Or in the immortal words of Count Arthur Strong "Pleased to meet you, I really do"
I love that you did that in the caption too
The jabberwocky is a beautiful exploration of how we interpret sound as meaning beyond pre-established words