Definition of a Ring Part 2

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  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ก.ย. 2024
  • In this video we introduce the definition of a mathematical ring.

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  • @hladenarob
    @hladenarob 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you for understanding your material so well that you are able to explain it in a way that helps others also understand. You are a true example of a teacher.

  • @jacksoncrook9732
    @jacksoncrook9732 7 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    how do we pay you for this

  • @vincentabbott7641
    @vincentabbott7641 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The presence of a multiplicative identity is NOT a requirement for a general ring!

    • @MuffinsAPlenty
      @MuffinsAPlenty ปีที่แล้ว

      Many ring theorists today include the existence of a multiplicative identity as part of the definition of a ring. There has been a perspective shift from more abstract branches of mathematics, in particular universal algebra and category theory, which show us that having a multiplicative identity should be seen as the standard, and not having a multiplicative identity should be seen as a sort of "something is missing" case.
      Rings without identity can be referred to as "rngs".

  • @dhavalfuria2743
    @dhavalfuria2743 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hi
    One of my friends pointed out this interesting thing.
    Commutativity of the Addition in a ring comes as a consequence (of Distributivity) rather than an axiom in the definition of a ring.
    This can be shown by considering (1 + 1) * (x + y) in two different ways.
    (1 + 1) * (x + y)
    = (1 + 1) * x + (1 + 1) * y ...by Left Distributivity
    = (1 * x + 1 * x) + (1 * y + 1 * y) ...by Right Distributivity
    = (x + x) + (y + y) ...as 1 is Multiplicative Identity
    = x + (x + y) + y ...by Associativity of Addition
    (1 + 1) * (x + y)
    = 1 * (x + y) + 1 * (x + y) ...by Right Distributivity
    = (x + y) + (x + y) ...as 1 is Multiplicative Identity
    = x + (y + x) + y ...by Associativity of Addition
    This gives x + (x + y) + y = x + (y + x) + y
    That is x + y = y + x
    The takeaway is that we can ask for a smaller number of axioms to hold in order to get the same structure of a ring.
    Food for thought !

    • @MuffinsAPlenty
      @MuffinsAPlenty 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You are absolutely correct. The same is true for the definition of a vector space and the definition of a module.
      Some texts do _not_ require a 1 element to be in a ring, however. If the 1 element is not required, then you need to include the commutativity of addition as an axiom. Requiring 1 to be in a ring is a relatively newer thing, which explains why it remains as an axiom today.

  • @MichelCarroll
    @MichelCarroll 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Just a small note: I don't think a ring strictly needs to have a multiplicative identity. In my textbook, they call a ring that has a multiplicative identity a "ring with unity".

    • @MuffinsAPlenty
      @MuffinsAPlenty 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      This is a possible definition. However, most ring theorists today believe that rings "should" have a multiplicative identity. As such, it is commonplace now to require the existence of a multiplicative identity in the definition of a ring.
      Rings without identity are then often referred to as "rngs" (losing the i corresponding to losing the identity), since they are missing something that they "should" have.

    • @MichelCarroll
      @MichelCarroll 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MuffinsAPlenty Makes sense. Thanks

    • @bonbonpony
      @bonbonpony 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      A ring with an identity crisis :)

  • @bonbonpony
    @bonbonpony 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    So where's the inverses axiom for multiplication? Since it's missing, does it mean that multiplication in a ring doesn't form a group? :q

    • @stinkenderig
      @stinkenderig 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      yes, take for instance the integers with usual addition and multiplication. Most of the elements won't have a multiplicative inverse in the integers, but it's still a ring

    • @bonbonpony
      @bonbonpony 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@stinkenderig Thanks, this example clarified it for me.
      So a ring is basically a structure in which you can add, subtract and multiply, but you can't divide yet? (because there are additive inverses, but not multiplicative inverses)

  • @Subbu_-
    @Subbu_- 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    what about Division ring and zero divisor of a ring

  • @antoniomantovani3147
    @antoniomantovani3147 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    (A,+) its an Abelian Group, (A,*) its only associative

    • @MuffinsAPlenty
      @MuffinsAPlenty 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      (A,*) has a structure which is called a "monoid". It's actually a decently important algebraic structure in higher mathematics. A monoid is, essentially, a group without the inverse requirement. The binary operation is associative, closed, and has an identity element, but need not have inverses. And that's what's going on with (A,*). :)