Okay, So What Does the NHL Define as Charging?
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- All right, I am going into the rule book videos sooner than I thought I would. Charging is always seen as a judgment call and that's part of the problem.
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The NHL is very consistent... consistent at calling penalties inconsistently.
One of the worst officiated professional sports in the world.
Exactly you either get it or you don't
@@maydanlex I wouldn’t go that far. But it’s pretty bad.
@@hypn0298 a ‘bit’ of an exaggeration only in that the game is so fast... which make it hard to officiate. That’s why I said one of the worst.
@@maydanlex Nah man. The NBA is worse. On top of being inconsistent, their refs are also egotistical and sensitive.
I remember when the NHL used to post TH-cam videos explaining the suspensions they need to go back to that
they still do
They're not on TH-cam unfortunately but they are still posted on the NHL website (do a web search)
they need to to do videos on why their rules and suspensions suck.
you can find the suspension explanation videos on the official NHL site under videos. It was much better when they just put them on TH-cam it made it much more transparent.
Next season 🤣
This guy has some of the most level headed takes in all of Hockey.
Best non TV pundit in my opinion. By the way, if you suggest other channels I’ll look, but yeah, this is the best one IMO.
i have held this view ever since I discovered his channel. It also explains why he will remain on TH-cam: he is too rational and moderate to be marketable in this absurd age of "reality TV" mentality.
Love him 😆🤣
i love that capital H
Yeah, I am actively avoiding a lot of the comments on NHL these days. Because frankly there are some "fans" who clearly don't want the players protected. They love the violence but can't just come out and say it.
This guy kicks sportsnet's butt. He didn't mention Matthews once during this.
Everyone kicks Leafsnet's ass.
@@kingpin6989 u used the right name sir 👍
Shannon, you are a beacon of light in an otherwise dark world.
We (the fans) all thank you for your unbiased and honest coverage.
All hail the king of hockey content.
Charging is when I plug my phone to an electrical outlet.
Your “cell phone bill” is actually your service provider fining you the max allowable under the CBA.
@@thewanderingbard8455 Funniest thing I've heard today.
Very Big Brain
Depends how violent you are with your phone and how far your hand travels with the usb.
With that type of stellar dad joke you better be wearing the Air Monarchs right now!
Thank you Shanon. I wish everyone who is saying it’s a clean hit watches your videos.
They'rejust trolls. I don't think that anyone actually believesit was a clean hit.
@@AvroBellow I have a few friends that do sadly 😂
They’re in denial. It’s a coping mechanism, if they lose its the leagues fault. If they win theyre the best
I'm kinda disappointed that the rule isn't "three strides and you're out"...
All in favor of The Hockey Guy consulting on updating the rule book and DoPS. 🙌
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Dude you're way too smart and good at this to not be making decisions for these pylons.
Idk how he hasn't been picked up by any of the network's been watching his videos for over a year every single one is a home run
The USA hockey rule book is also for most youth/highschool hockey across America
Yeah
Any league where there isn't incentive to rig games to make more money. Only the leagues that want to have control over the outcome for certain teams like to have grey areas in their rules so they have some leeway to control things.
@@BrodyCanuck leafs fan?
@@thebacc2087 nope
And in schools
The NHL definition of charging is about as solid as my cat's coil in the litterbox
give it a few days.
Well that doesn’t sound very solid at all.
I don't want to know how you know that. LOL
@@AvroBellow you don't give each a gentle squeeze when you clean the litterbox.
Thank you for this video Shannon... and I totally agree, NHL's lack of consistency on rules enforcement is a pretty big problem. Thank you again
I just stumbled upon your video and I can't tell you how much i agree with you whole heartedly! Excellent Excellent explanation and i certainly wish the NHL would take your advice. I've been saying it for years.....just call the rule book; it'll make the game so much more fun to watch. Eventually the players will adapt and the game will be more skill. Thank you for the video!
Even if we say the hit is clean, it's dangerous as hell and has no place in hockey. We're talking about someone's health, their job, and their life. There's no justification for a hit of that sort to be a part of hockey.
Also, I thought headshots were always considered major penalty material since recently or something!
IMO, this is a 5 to 10 games suspension in playoffs. If it were the regular season, I'd give a 15 to 25 games suspension.
should every hit be illegal? do you think scheifele had time to think about it or did he just hit a guy who shot the puck at an empty net? do you know how fast the game goes out there? he was hustling back to protect an empty net. should he be coasting?? LOL
Current rule is max of 5 games due to no in person meeting.
But those are regular season games, so max of only 2.5 playoff games.
@@shadowyshutterbug He had like 5 seconds to think at least
You're ignoring many elements of that play
"as a result of distance traveled" subjective as all hell.
that's about as vague as it gets. By this wording, any hit can be deemed charging. One of the most poorly written, and thus, seldom enforced rules.
I think 200 ft qualifies
@@markzuck8486 well... Yes.... It's completely subjective.... So..... Yeah....
@@markzuck8486 So everyone skates from one end of the rink to the other all game long right? Sheif is to say "hmm too far away I better stop or I will get a penalty if I hit him".?
Well I guess charging shouldn't exist then and guys should be put on injured reserve every game
thats the worst definition ever, that just means any hit can be "charging" so dumb there are a bunch of "hitting too hard" penalties that if it looks bad its a penalty the ref calls it
There's not a lot of hits where w guy is traveling 30 feet full speed and nailing a defenceless player at 60mph
@@bsstyle123 I don’t know if you’ve ever been on skates but nobody is doing 60 mph.
@@bsstyle123 lol 60mph
Maybe the true issue is the vagueness of the rules and penalties. But really, did we need a rule book to know that Mark was not going for the puck and the hit was dirty and unnecessary?
@@georgejulien3286 ya it was an exaggeration glad you caught on
I had a feeling you might make a video about this, thanks for doing it so quick bud.
The NHL needs to have an equivalent to unnecessary roughness of the NFL.
Well hockey does have roughing... And in hockey you can call any major penalty by more than one name, so the name of the penalty really does not mean a lot. This would have not been any different if it was called unnecessary roughing instead of charging.
@@RoyalMela Yeah, you could ha made a pretty solid case for like half the hitting related penalties on the Scheifele hit alone, so it just comes to the refs coming up with a name they feel like fits the best.
They do, it’s called Roughing
The LAST thing we need is yet another discretionary penalty. Discretionary means inconsistent. Period.
Max was right, yea, roughing. BUT my thing is, would this even be unnecessary roughness? If Scheifele takes steps to make this less "rough" those steps will slow him down from potentially saving the game. If a guy get's smoked on the sideline to prevent a touchdown, that's probably not going to be unnecessary roughness, it'll just be... rough
That's as balanced an explanation as I've seen yet..
Thanks for clearing that up. I thought it was a clean hit bc of the strides. I have switched my stance on the hit. It was a charge.
How could you think that? I have restrained myself to ask questions to other ignorant people who says it’s clear blatantly but I am willing to exchange with you on a respectful manner, I wish to see how you saw it before.
@@delta927canadien-francais5 I thought the charging rule included strides so I thought it was a clean hit until watching Shannon's video explaining the actual rule.
@@OffConstantly55 From the moment the main point of contact was the head I dont see how anyone could say that was clean lol
@@macrost8935 I see what you mean. Committing to a hit while someone is going for a wrap around, put that player's head in a really bad spot. He did initially contact the head but followed through the body. I wouldn't say it was a head hunt but maybe a bit of both.
@@massivekvnt1603 i didn’t actually read it and now I realized I disagree with some of your points, I respect the effort and your research but I think what Scheifele did deserved the suspension. Evans wasn’t expecting a hit, not at his head, not at that speed, and your whole essay can be invalidated by a simple question, why didn’t Scheifele try to go for the puck? If you want to prevent scoring, dive, put your stick out, Scheifele’s gesture was clearly out of frustration and maybe you didn’t watch the whole game but Scheifele was out of his mind, he punched a guy with no helmet to the ice and got penalized a few minutes earlier.
As always. Vids are awesome. I have been playing/watching hockey for 35 years and these vida are the best breakdowns of these convoluted and inconsistent calls. Thanks bro.
It was the intent to injure. He did not play the puck. He skated from the Habs blueline. Play stops when a goal is scored.
playing the puck has nothing to do with it. guys shoot and pass all the time and get hit right after. those are clean hits. he hit the guy right after he scored. part of hockey is knowing when to avoid hits too. guy scored the goal and took the hit. simple
Bro, when the puck goes into the net Schiefele is like at most 5 feet away, skating as fast as he was there was zero chance of him having time to stop or move away lmao
Guess the NHL agrees with me, 4 games is good enough for me. It is the intent to injure not if he could turn away. Evan's failure to look for him is bogus. Schiefle came from the other end of the ice he was not chasing him. You think if Evan's had turned left or right Shiefle would not have hit him. Shiefle will be a Montreal target for at least next season. Shiefle will pay the Don Cherry hockey price guaranteed.
@@davidwordsworth5584 There are a million different ways evans could have avoided the hit. He took a hit to score a goal. DID YOU FORGET HE SCORED A GOAL? Guys take hits all the time to take shots and make passes. Some hits are more brutal than others. Shiefle skated hard because there was an empty net. Did you want him to coast back LMAO. Your excuses are bogus.
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I rewatched it just for this comment
He's not sleeping, his is plotting his next move of mass destruction
Contemplating the perfect murder of one Hockey Guy.
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There are actually two of them
I thought we were all on the same page about the brutal Scheifele hit until I went on Twitter today lmao
What... what happened?
It sure looked a lot worse in slo-mo than it did at full speed, and it looked bad at full speed.
People are insane he skated the whole length of the ice with the sole intent to nail him. That’s got to be a suspension loll
All but one person in my beer league is defending Sheifele, it's pretty disheartening honestly. They're all dunking on Evans saying he should have kept his head up, what did he expect?
@@LucasR013 So you know that a player who has NEVER been known to to dirty things and has ALWAYS been praised as a stand up player, skated back as fast as he could in hopes to not stop the empty net goal which he was slow by just under half a second (watch slo mo) to instead intentionally injur another player........ subjectivity is a fucking super power these days I swear.
if Scheifele didn't slow down a bit to line up the hit perfectly, he might have gotten his stick on the puck to save the goal.
I could give him benefit of doubt if he reached with his stick to stop the goal and collided while doing that, but no...he made no attempt to stop the goal. He just wanted to crush Evans. That hit was not a "hockey play".
hitting a guy after he shoots or passes is common and is actually a hockey play
@@shadowyshutterbug that's actually a good point, but you don't see plays where a guy skates for 100+ ft lining up the hit. I love hard-hitting hockey, but with the speed of the game now, the league needs to send a message on this play.
The excuses like "he skated back hard to stop the goal" kind of make sense, but there's room in the rules for judgement about what "violent" is, and Sheifele's hit was violent. He crossed the line.
@@shadowyshutterbugIf that type of hit were common or legal then half the league would be out with concussions because these teams don't screw around when it comes to hating one another.
@@jeffgriffiths5945 You have a valid perspective but how is a player supposed to consider everything you're saying when the game is so fast and split second decisions are made every moment? IMHO you have to give Sheifele the benefit of the doubt - he was skating back as hard as he could to stop the goal and hit the guy right after he released the puck. Its a hockey play and honestly in the NHL several guys do get injured every game. Tough play.
Slow down and wait Evans to score? Noway
Great, relevant content (as always)
I paused at the Scheifele hit where they were both clean off the ice from the hit... That's horrible. No wonder Evans didn't move after he came back down.
He was already lights out before he hit the ice. Scheifele got a pretty big piece of his jaw from basically the exact angle boxers typically like to go for knockout punches.
Feet came up through the hit. And the contact certainly didn’t speed him up. Had he missed, he would’ve jumped three feet in the air.
@@imprezzive3153 🤡
@@imprezzive3153 it's true such a clean hit by Scheifele, I nominate him for the Nobel peace prize 🙃
I saw a breakdown by some kid and as he points out Sheifle(?) had one thing on his mind the entire skate down the ice. He could have made a play and prevented the goal. But he could not see that due to his predetermined decision to decapitate the Hab......
Not a fan of either team but this was one of the most unneccessary and purposeful hits Ive ever seen.
@@barrybenson7091 bud I understand this whole “hockey is for tough guys persona” but seriously that hit was extremely unnecessary he maybe could’ve even prevented a goal if he tried to stick check Evans. But noooooo I guess completely destroying someone is more important than winning or keeping your team in the game idk u decide.
@@barrybenson7091 Insults are a great way to sway people towards your opinion. Keep up the good work.
Just curious where this kid learned telepathy in order to determine what was on Scheifele's mind and how it was a "predetermined decision". Such a bad take.
@@mattdborys sorry but if you rewatch the clip you can clearly tell he doesn’t give a fuck about the puck going into his net.
He clearly wanted to hit Evans
@@kylesmith9598 And how exactly do you prove that? Couldn't I also then argue that Scheifele was trying to prevent a goal from being scored, and it was only 0.5 seconds before the goal WAS scored was when Scheif decided he'd hit Evans? I have just as much proof as you do, so what can you show me that clearly shows his intent?
Hey Hockey guy! Watching that hit live I almost fainted. Thankyou for the video
It’s crazy that people are actually debating about player hitting another player in the head at basically full speed. I get that Scheifele is a well-liked player, but c’mon.
it was straight through the chest. still charging tho
Thanks for clearing this up. I thought the glide made it legal but this makes a lot of sense. I would've given him 2 games because he did catch the head, but I'm fine with them goin' a little harder to 4 ganes so that it hopefully doesn't happen again.
If Scheifele just let it out by swearing this would never have happened
Lol. That's funny and probably true.
Isn't every single bodycheck the result of the actions of a player who travels a distance to violently check another player. That's the objective really. I don't recall many gentle checks or checks that don't involve some distance travelled. By this rule, every single check could be called a charge. It's the dumbest rule ever!
EXACTLY. these other comments are so stupid
The NHL just made it vague so they can be biased and no one can complain
That why they added "violence of the check" to the rule.
@@TheHockeyGuy Yea, but that's completely subjective. Big fan btw. Keep it going.
Good news for Scheifele. He only traveled 200 feet
He didnt though. Prior to the hit, he actually started gliding and wasnt skating into Evans
@@anonymousperson3023 Oh thank god he started gliding right before the hit.
That makes everything better.
@@anonymousperson3023 shut up
@@anonymousperson3023 that doesn’t matter.... From rule 42.1 “charging shall mean the actions or a player who, as a result of distance travelled, shall violently check an opponent in any manner. A charge may be the result of a check into the boards, into the goal frame or in open ice” in case you didn’t hear it during the video. Its literally in the rule book. It doesn’t matter if he started gliding right before the hit he already got up to full speed....
@@TheArcher143 I never said anything about the hit. I just stated a fact. I didnt aay whether or not I agree nor disagree with the charging vall. Dont make that assumption for me
Thank you for taking the time to try and explain to the defenders of the hit that they are wrong. I guarantee many people will still argue it was a good hit.
Please stop saying this hit is fine because they didn't call that hit BS if that was the case it would all be legal and players would be injured every game.
ugly hit? sure, illegal hit? Nothing black and white about it so don't act like your position is the only legitimate one. Any argument for the suspension includes a lot of subjectivity. Players get injured on legal hits too...
Thanks for this rule discussion.
He took 50 strides before stoping his skating to line up Evans, that is more then 2
Well no shit. He skated from one end of the ice to the other. Should he have paused at the bench first.
How else do you think you get from one point of the ice to another... by your logic every single hit in hockey has 50 strides.
@The Monster Under Your Bed he did by hitting the player
Schiefele intent was to knock Evans out of the playoffs he should also miss the playoffs
@@pauliegon4513 how do u know that
It's hilarious how the rulebook says nothing about the amount of strides yet game commentators still count strides
Shows that not enough people know the rule
To be fair it often matters very little what the rulebook says anyway.
If this was called roughing, no-one would discuss. The term of the penalty is not important.
Thanks, THG, for talking about this, and calling out the inconsistencies with how the rules are called and applied. It really needs to be addressed.
As much as I am a huge Jets fan and Scheifele fan, I knew that hit was bad, and should be a penalty.
Though it also immediately invoked memories of 2019's Torey Krug hit on Robert Thomas. That was the most blatant charge I'd ever seen. And yet there was no penalty on the play. Not even a minor. I don't get it.
Now I understand that Thomas got up and was uninjured (or apparently so), but I don't understand how that situation doesn't result in a minor at the least. Just because someone wasn't injured, doesn't mean the play wasn't dangerous.
These are elite athletes, and professionals. If the rules are applied consistently, the players will adapt. There is no need for so much gray area.
Can't remember the last time I saw a ref call a charging penalty. Even boarding is now pretty rare. Slashing is called every five minutes as is delay of game.
Delay of game is triggered by 2 main things. Unsuccessful challenge and shooting the puck over the glass. It’s usually not a judgment call lol
Yep. Seems its always called after the fact, and only after an injury or a player is slow to get up.
Yup, because those calls are black and white. “Puck over the glass - delay of game”; “stick makes a slashing motion (regardless if it hits person or stick) = slashing” A=B, therefore therefore there is no need for the ref to use their judgement. It simply “is”.
Any “grey” call, and then they actually have to take onus of their decision. Which means they most likely will have to defend their decision to a coach, or maybe even Bettman depending on the call.
Video idea for the summer, throw on a referee shirt and go through every penalty the refs can call, would be very interesting, for long time hockey fans as well as newcomers.
Scheifele if you look closely at the play could have reached out and prevented that goal. He had no intention of giving his team another 53 seconds to try and tie the game.
That is not Hockey.
bottom line, keep your head up when you have the puck
I agree, call the book. And call it always. Doesn't matter if it's the first period of game 47 of 82 in the regular season, or the 3rd period of OT in a Stanley Cup final game 7. A penalty is a penalty, if you see it, call it. Let the players adapt.
Important video
Good video about Folklore versus Rules. It reminds me of baseball broadcasters who claim “the tie goes to the runner”. No such rule. To be safe you must beat the throw; ties don’t matter.
I don't like when definitions use the word as part of the definition.
Charging: When a player charges another player.
O___o
NHL loves making rules like that, because then its easier for them to alter how they make a call based off of the team or player. Its much easier for them to rig a game when their rules have so much leeway.
I think you have the most hockey-educated cat ever! great vids, thanks.
How many strides does it require to be a charge?
Answer: Yes
I agree with you. In fact, it last night's Isles win they challenged for Goalie interference, and CLEARLY, the Bruins player had his stick between Varly and the goal post preventing Varly from sliding over. I AGREE Varly wasn't going to save it even if the Bruins player wasn't interfering BUT the rules are the rules and this exact situation has been called already in this playoff but the NHL said oops, too bad Isles. It's like they're making it up as they go along
If this was, Conor McDavid Charging it would be a 5k fine!
And when it was kassian getting hit by tkachuck it wasn't even a penalty, hence the focus on inconsistencies.
And if it was McDavid that Scheifele KO'd it would have been more than 4.
4 games for first time offender.... but Tom Wilson can get away with bouncing peoples heads off ice.... with no retribution from league. Consistency is inconsistent from nhl
Why was Torey Krug's hit on Robert Thomas in the finals 2yrs ago not a charge?
It was a charge all day long. I’m still confused why there wasn’t a penalty called.
I won’t lie I was into it when it happened but I realize now it was a total charge. Good call.
It was definitely a charge but the hit was super clean and Thomas kind of dodged it.
Two years ago...really. I'm sure hockey fans could bring up all kinds of stuff...two years ago...wow...I guess you weren't born when the 70s Flyers beat the shit out of everyone they played...Bobby Clarke broke dozens and dozens of ankles...two years ago...really.
I know exactly what you are talking about, that was a massive charge and couldn't believe that wasn't called.
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It blew my mind ow many people were happy about this hit and thought nothing was Wong with it. If it wasn't against the rules, it should be. Gotta protect players.
I don't know about you, but I'd rather eat a couple of knuckle sandwiches than take this hit. Fighting gets the attention, but hit like these are the most dangerous element of the game.
That Scheifele hit looked like something out of my chel be a pro
Exactly what I thought when I saw it. I would purposely line up those hits and think I'm dirt after the fact lol.
I always throw that kind of hit in 3v3 lmao
Very insightful. A charge for sure under those rules. Although distance travelled is kinda vague. Gotta feel bad for sheiffle too. Doubt he expected Evans so serve himself up in a platter.
4 games. Not enough.
Thanks Shannon for making this clear and understandable examination of Rule 42.
Suspended 4 games they actually did something right
In this case, I am guessing 3 games minimum.
He got 4 games
@@tonyp9313 The league took this seriously.
@@3312444123 I knew that they would because Parros was a goon who understood "the code".
I made a comment last night on TSN regarding the suspension..... boy oh boy. drinking from a fire hose. :) Thanks for the clarification sir.
Remember Chara on Pacioretty? Anyone who considers the psych of human beings and aggression knows Chara pushed his head into that stantion on purpose because of past events and Chara knew he would get him back and he did. Same here and you said it. Scheifele was frustrated and angry and you could see him stop strides at 30+ km/h and line up Evans because HE was going to PAY. No intent to stop Evan's stick?! Seriously? Chara and Scheifele, both similar in the ''you're gonna pay'' moments. If the NHL only gives 5 or less games then IT'S TIME THIS SUMMER to create an EVANS rule!
Distance travelled means when player decided to start skating to make the hit. Scheifele made that decision around the top of the crease. Hit didn't start back checking in the Montreal zone with the idea of smoking Evans
The NHL needs to make a choice... Either you want fighting in the game or you want a 'you can't remove your helmet.' You can't have both. Too many players are cutting their hands on a player's helmet. I am not saying outlaw fighting, but at least make sense in your rule... it's illegal to remove your helmet unless involved in a fight on the ice.
must agree - guys today just punch helmet
Nope, helmet guards from head injuries
Keeping the helmets on is mandatory for good reason. A guy gets knocked down in a fight and smacks his head on the ice without a helmet and things end up much worse for him.
@@rebeccatrishel not speaking of removing helmets during the game other than players involved in a fight. I know helmets guard against head injuries. I am over 50 and I can remember the days before helmets and Craig McTavish the last player to play not wearing a helmet. Never said players shouldn't wear a helmet, but if you're going to allow fight wearing a helmet guys are going to injure their hands punching a helmet.
Think about your favorite player missing Game 7 of the Cup Finals due to a broken hand from punching a helmet....
@@joshbuchanan8541 a very good argument for disallowing fighting.
If NHL is serious about these violent hits, it should be an automatic suspension equal to the length of time the injured player is out, or a set number of games (whichever is greater).
Well.. who makes sure the player is not playing injured to begin with? What if the players injures himself in previous play and keeps on playing and gets hit again? What about concussions when you can have few hard ones with very small damages, but the next one is very minor but the symptoms get worse and worse. You suspend all the players who have previously caused a concussion to that player?
Think about it and you'll know that is impossible.
Penalties and suspention should come from the act alone, not the result.
Honestly, I thought of something like this
“On an illegal AND egregious hit, the suspension shall be enforced until the injured player plays in a game and that game is completed. Once the injured player’s team finishes its game, the suspended player may return”
Then something about NHL still setting a minimum punishment for that player that MUST be served regardless.
So the press releases would now be “John Doe suspended at least 4 games”
I’d also add in an exception where the suspended player can appeal his suspension ONLY when the injured player retires OR his team’s season is complete. (To prevent cases where an illegal hit that results an injury that only would prevent the player being out a week leading to the suspension of a player until the next season)
If scheifele gets there half a second earlier and hits him before he gets all the way around the net are we having the same conversation?
It didn´t look like he was going for the intent to injury like kadri or reaves, he was probably trying to stop the goal from happen. time frame is probably more like 0.2 s.
Probably not.
If the head is principle point of contact, yes. If it's the shoulder, no.
@@peterpike
Wasn't the head here.
Nope. The announcers would be fawning over his hustle and back checking.
We need you in the NHL in some capacity!
Schieffle should be suspended for how ever many games ON top of sitting out until Jake Evans returns to play!
Consistency might be an issue but not on this play. This was a clear-cut case of a major penalty plus a game misconduct. Could have been charging or elbowing or attempt to injure. Either way, it’s an easy decision by the officials.
The purpose of a body check is to separate the puck carrier from the puck. It is NOT to separate his head from his shoulders. That was the intent here. A long suspension is justified, but probably won’t happen. (As a Rangers fan, I know how this ends......).
The only reason he glided was to line up hit
Yep that's how EVERY single hit is done.
@@Vince-lq3ve bad take Vince
@@Vince-lq3ve read the NHL ruling... "Predatory hit..."
A buddy of mine made a great point. We're through one round of the playoffs, and we've seen what, three suspensions now? And others that people have argue should have been suspensions? In what other sport in America would this be acceptable in any way, shape or form. Imagine watching football, or basketball, and there's all this clownery happening. It's a joke. The NHL needs A.) clean up their rulebook, B.) actually make the calls in the rulebook, and C.) take player safety seriously.
The playoffs are getting to the point where it's just not watchable anymore, because the teams that advance are the teams that play dirty because the league encourages refs to not make calls in the playoffs. All these stars on teams aren't getting shut down because "oh they're just not up to task for the playoffs" - they're getting shut down because there are 5 guys on the ice hacking them, checking them when they aren't in play, smashing their kidneys in the back, on and on. It isn't fun, it isn't enjoyable, and talented players' careers are put in jeapordy. I'm tired of watching whatever team thug it's way to the Cup.
Ok so I can tell you right now, "distance travelled" doesn't apply here. Scheifele back checks hard, but he doesn't make a move to commit to a hit until Evans makes a move to cut directly in front of the net, which happens in less than a second. The distance he travels would be from below the hashmarks to the goal line, which is not far at all. You cannot penalize him for backchecking hard and getting into a position to defend a goal AND you cannot praise the backcheck but get mad at him for using his forward momentum to try and stop Evans from coming in front of the net. Evans saw Scheifele coming and made no attempt to brace his body for impact. Evans should have taken a wider angle to protect himself. If he skates towards the faceoff dot, he protects himself from impact and can still have an attempt on net. Just because Evans made the decision to go for the highest percentage scoring play with no regard for his own safety in a full contact sport, is not the fault of Scheifele.
To suggest that a player somehow should slow himself down to save a goal is absolutely ludicrous. "He didnt attempt to go for the puck.." no he attempted to stop Evans from getting to the net in the first place. Please show me a video of any player going for the puck first when making a hit. I dont see Ovi going for a poke check before laying into other guys.
I feel awful for Evans and I hate to hear that this adds to his concussion history but that just raises another question. In my teenage years I had 6 concussions, and I can tell you on each one, I put myself in a bad spot. Is it more likely that I was reckless with my own health/wellbeing or are 6 other guys in 6 different scenarios at fault even though I was the only common denominator?
i think if it was a player like Patrick Kane, or Matthews, or Kopitar.. they take the wide route to protect themselves instead of making a B-line to the front of the net with guys bearing down. I know this has a "victim blaming" vibe but your opponent shouldn't care more about your safety than you.
I know this isn't the psycho zone of years past but you don't have to look back very far to see a comparable. These examples from this year.. Colton Scissons on Cogliano. Romanov on Chabot. Anders Lee on McCovoy. Hoglander on Russell. Rau on Makar. All Of these hits have variations of speed with many actually accelerating to make a hit instead of gliding, none of them "go for a puck first", and all of them could've been worse if the guys getting hit don't attempt to brace themselves.
Decent take. I'm fine with the charging major penalty, MAYBE add a game or two for it being "late", "emotional", etc.
This was not the attempted murder that the internet and every pundit on TV are claiming... To suspend for the rest of the series/playoffs is a joke imo.
I think you can absolutely penalize him for the distance he travels. When he decides to go for the hit he knows how fast he's been going and he gives up on saving the goal by slowing down to line up Evans with a massive hit. The only thing on his mind at that point is to lay his opponent down. It's one thing if you give a guy a concussion while fighting for possession or when you're in the heat of battle but Scheifele decides to go for the hit once he hits the blue line, KNOWING he's been going full stride from the opposite goal line, there's a minute left in what's about to be a 5-3 hockey game. In that context there is no reason that excuses the decision Scheifele took. It's a dangerous and reckless action that deserved to be punished. Hits thrown out of frustration with a 190ft headstart cannot become part of the game
@@Axel-ze9mx Im going to disagree with you because I dont think you can say he had any idea he was going to hit anyone until Evans makes the sharp turn towards the net. I think the reason why this hit doesnt happen often, is because most guys dont do what Evans does. He has to know that if he turns, he's basically facing oncoming traffic. Also, when Scheifele braces to make the hit, the game is still 4-3..
You're entire argument of an emotional hit is based on the impossible implication that you knew what Scheifele was thinking even before Scheifele knows he's going to make a hit, which I dont feel is a fair assessment. You think the first line centre of a team is going to send a message out of frustration by attempting to injure a depth winger? in game 1 of a 4-3 game..? I dunno man i think that's a bit of stretch considering he doesnt have a history and he has a legitimate reason to attempt to make a defensive play.
I will say I think the Logan Stanley elbow on Perry was dirty..
@@mplath21 You don't have to read his mind to know what he was thinking. When the puck leaves the offensive zone his first objective is to beat Evans in a race to the puck. Once that option is completely out of reach because Evans is 5 steps ahead, the only two options are a poke check or a body check. If you watch the replay you can see Scheifele stopping stride after passing the blue line to line up the hit on Evans.
Like you even said he's not going for the puck. And at the speed at which he's already going, the decision to go for the body that late is an incredibly dangerous one, whether Evans has his head up or not. Obviously the fact that Evans didn't see it coming makes the outcome worse but the fact that Scheifele saw him with his head down and still to proceeded with no regard for his safety is incredibly reckless and in that situation totally unnecessary
Charging is like porn, you know it when you see it.
People saying it's Evans (or any other for the matter) fault because his "head was down" are the same people who thinks it's the girls fault for getting raped because "her skirt was too short" lol
Enjoyed this video. Good research. Great presentation. Thanks for posting.
2019 finals, Krug could've killed Robert Thomas, no call
If Krug had been wearing a Blues Jersey in 2019 they would’ve called it a charge lol
He plays for Boston.
Played rather
Neither did they call what preceded that, 2019 was played without refs
@@Navs126 You mean like they called the Bozak slew foot on Acciari in OT of game 5. GTFO.
I really hope we hear something from the NHL about an update to the rulebook soon! It would be awesome to see some consistency in calls. Thanks for making this explanation THG!
I call it attempted murder.
Thank you Shannon, I didn’t realize thats what the rule stated. I appreciate the clarification because i was talking to others earlier today and I was always under the impression that the rule was three strides.
What about when the forward dumps the puck in then pastes the defenseman into the boards? Is that not a charge as well? I think Schiefele should get 1-4 games for this needless hit.
side note, when you have the commentary on while playing most nhl games, including nhl 20, eddie o mentions 3 strides when that penalty is called. so it goes well into nhl dna.
charging is when the person I don't like hurts the person I like or am neutral with
The 3 stride rule was taken out because of Scott Stevens, the dirtiest hitter the nhl has even had. Aka Mr. Blindside
When Steven's played his hits were mostly clean
So what you can’t hit someone going full speed? You need to slow down? To what level would be fair? How do you gauge what is ok as far as speed or distance?
unpopular opinion but think Sheiffele's hit does not deserve more than 1 game suspension.
4 games. I’ll accept that. Habs in 4
I feel like the problem is also we have had refs on open mic this year admit to missing and giving penalties (that Nashville game) so if there needs to be consistency then the refs need to be more accountable. Also the players safety association is a joke rn with handing out suspensions
I feel with the way the league deals with these incidents there is gonna be a day where a player is gonna get paralyzed or killed like you're starting to see it because I'm gonna assume all Scheifele will get 1 game which would be total BS and then some other player will be like well if thats a game then why dont I do it too then he does the same hit and the player is now paralyzed or killed I'm starting to think this is coming just a matter of when
Like giving reeves 2
Games for pulling out someone’s hair and twisting their next from behind as they pull them down to the ice. Then kneeling on their face. Totally only 2 games worth
@@christopher6601 ya like wtf lol he tried to hurt the guy only 2 games
Do you guys close your eyes when these types of hockey plays take place?
Ahmed trust me when I say the NHL of the 80's, 90's and early 2000's was way worse. Used to every time a player passed the puck they got creamed into the boards no matter what, especially during the dead puck era. The game is much less violent today than it used to be. Does it have room to still improve? Absolutely but they have made strides over the years.
@@barrybenson7091 lol I live in Canada this is TH-cam not writing an academic paper 😂
The NHL is very consistent: if the hit LOOKS bad, it's penalized, and if it LOOKS bad and INJURES someone, it's suspension worthy. The league doesn't care what the book says, it's the look of the thing that matters.
As a hockey fan it's been a bad look for the league for the past few weeks with Tom Wilson then Ryan Reaves and now Mark Scheifele. I really hope they send a strong message or this is going to continue and only get worse.
They suspended Kadri, it's off kilter ???
@@kevinbrown7326 yes your right about Kadri, that's why I did not mention him because he got a 8 game suspension. Both Wilson and Reaves got what 2 games for drilling players heads into the ice. As someone who has watched hockey now for over 30 years I just hope the league can get consistent about handling out suspensions because it's not a good look for the league.
My understanding is that the purpose of a body check is to take a player out of the play. Everybody seems to be in agreement that there was no way to prevent the goal from being scored hence the play ended. There was therefore NO reason whatsoever for Scheifele to hit Evans.
I guess it depends on your definition of the word "Jumps". Scheiflele was off his feet more than once during the hit.
He had his skates on the ice at the contact moment.
When you hit someone in hockey, you always direct the impact upwards so you do not get thrown into the ice, instead you make you opponent fall. That is how you hit. So of course after the hit you can see almost always skates off the ice, no matter if the hit was clean or not. What happens *after* the hit has nothing to do with the hit itself. Most of the times is it just both players trying to stay up and that is when skates leave the ice and elbows go up, even if skates were on the ice and elbows down during the hit.
When you see car crash tests, even the cars get their tyres off the ground and they only go forward during the impact with concrete wall.
But that was still a brutal hit, worthy of a good suspension.
@@RoyalMela
That doesn't sound like a definition of the word 'Jumps'.
Thank you for what you do Shannon. I believe the nhl is changing and you make perfect content to keep us in the loop. Your videos are part of my everyday routine!
And there ya go it's the definition of charging resulting in injury
Totally agree with your comments about calling the rule book and a serious, potentally career ending, injury happening due to penalties not being called. I have been more concerned about slashing & cross checking in the past, but charging & boarding incidents seem to be more prevelent over the last couple of years.
the fact that this is even a discussion is insane
Does not matter what you call that penalty, that was a brutal hit.
@@RoyalMela I agree, just don't get how people say it was clean
Scheifele charged Evans. He deserves more than a 4 game suspension.
Okay clean hit fine, I’m sure Jets fans are fine with the “hockey code” and will let Mark Scheifele scrap Anderson. Perry fought Foligno and it was an accident, what’s Mark going to do?
I'm a big Scheif fan, but I have zero confidence in him in a fight. I would bet that he literally has never fought -not once.
well you're simply wrong about this being clean. even if it's not a charge, which is not a call you or I are allowed to make, it's an elbow.
@@lrba5524 elbows were down. Ask Coach Maurice.
@@Vince-lq3ve elbows have to extend, not raise, for an elbow to be called in the NHL. Scheifele drives through Evans with his elbow by extending it
@@lrba5524 It's where your elbow is at point of contact, not after initial. If I hit you elbow down and follow through raising my elbow that's all good.
This is when we all realize what a gem THG is. =]
Honestly I think that hit was clean - if you are going to wraparound into an empty net you should expect to get flattened. I can understand banning this in minor/ non-professional hockey but in the NHL you should expect things like this.
Did we watch the same clip? Scheifele clearly had intent to injure. He could have probably stopped the goal (on an empty net, so there was no “defending the goalie”) but instead he had his eyes locked onto Evans’ head, and hit his head. As Shannon said in the vid, it doesn’t matter if the player put themselves in a dangerous position, it’s still charging and hit-to-the-head. This type of behaviour should NOT be expected in the NHL, because it is dirty and disgusting
Edit: spelling
@@clairem391 If I was in charge as long as you don't leave your feet you should be able to hit anyone with the puck from any angle at any time. If people get hurt well they get paid millions and should consider the risk.
There was no reason for Scheifele to take Evans out like that. The EN goal was assured putting the game out of hand. Scheifele made a split second decision and concussed an opponent because he couldn’t keep his temper in check. I don’t follow WPG but I’ve never gotten the impression that Scheifele is a dirty player but that display was an egregious lack of respect for another player.
Also shout out Ehlers for protecting a hurt player, even though he was an opponent. That’s class.