This video represents my favorite thing about TH-cam. Having the opportunity to hear the perspective from individuals like Tim and Rick can shave decades off your progress. Their way of cutting through the noise to get to the heart of the matter is something I cherish. Thanks to everyone involved.
Same here....we are so lucky to have this! I was attending conservatory’s and gigging 4 different genres of music trying to learn everything I could in the mid 2000’s and I was up all day all day and night exhausting myself doing it. Luckily I was young then. Now I could never do it. But back then I would of killed to be able to absorb all of this information instead of hoping to learn it somewhere along the way. Not to mention these guys are the best of the best. Between these two channels and now Tom Bukovac’s channel, the amount of guitar/professional recording, tone and gear information we are being given for free in just insane to me and I am so thankful for it.
Hello Dave! Wonderful to see you enjoying these wonderful men and musicians. Tim and Rick are consummate professionals and beautiful human beings! Love your site also…am a contributing member!
Rick! I have an idea: why don' t you start a series in wich you dedicate each episode to a different producer, trying to explain what makes them who they are, like their distinctive tecniques used on some of their biggest records. I think it would be awesome
He's already done this - Brendan O'Brien (production) and Andy Wallace (mixing) I can think of off the top of my head. Definitely have a look through his videos.
Thanks Rick and Tim for having made all these talks together, you illuminate these subjects so greatly - in half an hour you lift ones understanding by years.
Theres something not many people are talking about when it comes to music, the criticism of genres based on race. Black music journalists and the woke pro-black networks on the internet are always critical of white artists and white genres. They're the ones who come out after awards shows , or NFL half time shows, to create a controversy, criticize the white artists, and celebrate the black artists. Theres a whole woke pro-black movement with an agenda thats racially motivated. Eminem just released an album with good reviews, but there is a bunch of critics saying he is washed up and outdated. Mostly from the pro-blacks. If you follow a pro-black on the internet for any length of time you'll see how it works.
This conversation is so genial and humble, down to earth. It feels like I'm sitting at the table with them. Rick has hands down the best musicians channel on TH-cam!
I really like the discussion about The Edge and his contribution to guitar innovation. This could make a great series: discussion of specific guitarist style, genius, contribution , etc. whether it be shredding, sonic, or orchestration, or in-your- face,, or delicate touch. Eddie VanHalen, or Phil Manaznera, they both offer much.
I wouldn't mind if it was broader and focused on more than just guitarists. Do an episode on Neil Peart, Eddie Van Halen, Kurt Cobain, Sting, Maynard James Keenan, etc. There are tons of musicians I haven't understood and then I hear someone talk enthusiastically about and go back and hear all these little things I never noticed before. I think it helps people to listen to things they otherwise wouldn't and appreciate musicians they never would if they had been left to their own little bubble.
@@mattbarbarich3295 If you want to put down the Edge, bring up David Gilmour or Adrian Belew, they're way closer of a "comparison" due to their use of effects.
I’m a few years older than you guys and have loved Rock my whole life, beginning with my very first concert (Santana at the Santa Clara County Fairgrounds at 15 years old). Even though I’m a long time subscriber of both Rick and Tim, I’ve learned more about rock music and all my rock heroes over the last hour than the last 50 years. What a fascinating conversation between you two.
Agree 100% on Unforgettable Fire. That was my entry into U2 and I made a chrome tape copy of an LP in my dorm room freshman year....playing it on headphones was one of the best sonic experiences I remember. Later I listened to War and October....but just couldn't get into them. Then, of course, standing 75 feet from the stage in 1987 in Vancouver....changed everything. My TRULY GREAT CONCERT EXPERIENCE.
Also, in the 80s, the American indie scene that encompassed R.E.M. and hardcore punk - where do people think Nirvana comes out of? Also, thank you for giving The Edge his proper credit. He is an amazing guitarist, and it irritates me that it's even being debated.
@@tomjones239 You don't like Bono?? Bono is the most important, moral, talented, influential, wonderful, intelligent, incredible person in the world. Just ask him; he'll tell you so himself.
@@patrick5838 Well, Facebook and Twitter banned me for asking Bernie Sanders for a free monkey so I have no way to contact Bono at this time. I wanted to ask Bono what the hell he was trying to say in the lyrics to the song "Beautiful Day." I challenge anyone to translate them....
@Luke Robinett Calm down dude...if you feel compelled to try to police people‘s behaviors online, that must mean you don’t feel like you have a whole lot of power or influence in your own life!
Give the Edge his due but guys like Stuart Adamson and John McGeoch were pioneering too. Also even Keith Levene from PiL had a hugely unique sound when they first appeared.
Neu! was doing post-punk 10 years before brits coined the term. McGeoch with Magazine was british Krautrock. Robert Fripp and Adrian Belew are trailblazers for texture oriented guitarists.
1980 - -Bon Scott dies February 19th -Judas Priest releases ‘British Steel’ April 14th -Black Sabbath released ‘Heaven and Hell’ April 25th with new singer Ronnie James Dio -AC/DC released ‘Back in Black’ July 25th with new singer Brian Johnson -Ozzy’s new band ‘Bliizard of Ozz’ released self titled album Sept. 20th -John Bonham dies Sept. 25th -(Led Zeppelin disbands shortly after Bonham’s death) There were other incredible classic rock albums released that year as well... the 70s has incredible music but 1980 was definitely a turning point for so many... -Bob Seger releases ‘Against the Wind’ February 25th -Eagles disbanded July -REO Speedwagon releases ‘Hi I fidelity’ November 21st
Big Country. When Stuart Adamson died, I believe The Edge was quoted as saying something like that Big Country was everything that they aspired to be but couldn't quite attain. Wonder what you think about them and if you would ever do a video about their music. I saw them live once and was just so blown away.
Great band. A fantastic rhythm section in Butler/Brzezicki and that guitar combo of Stuart and Bruce. Never got the chance to see them before Stuart left us but he's a big influence on my guitar style. Dunfermline, where Stuart and Bruce were from is just about half an hour down the road from me.
Yes, he's on all of the "Love" record apart from She Sells Sanctuary. One of my favourite albums. Billy Duffy is hugely underrated. Mark is an octopus of a man.
Generally speaking people who don’t understand the brilliance of the Edge weren’t around to hear him in the early 80s when his sound was undeniably unique.
Not at all, as many classics like Jethro Tull and ACDC were making insane hits, with newer acts like Metallica and Iron Maiden still growing strong! Rock isn't dead, it just changed
It hasn't changed either. No more than usual anyway. It has been uprooted by management. Therefore not put out as "in demand". So, it's not the music, it's not the audience, it's the corporation. Get it right.
Michael Xz here we go. That is true if you take the “there was no year zero” approach. That’s too complicated for most, so I’ll just assume that the writing or recording of anything good released between ‘80 and ‘82 was in the works in ‘79 😂
so, by that logic, the new world was discovered in the 14th century, 1492. And we're actually in the 20th century, since it is 20-20. but I jest. that battle was lost in the y2k and, in the age of social media, the war is lost. Doesn't matter what is technically correct, majority rules decided it is the new decade. And that debate only really affects historians and astronomers, etc. does not affect most people.
@@rd-um4sp No that's just wrong. 2000 is part of the same cardinal century as 1999, that's true. But in no way does that make 2000 part of the 1900's. 2000 is, very obviously, part of the 2000's. 1980 is part of the 1980's because that's how naming numbers works. It's distinct and separate from cardinal century (or decade). But this is all pedantic semantics. Go away now.
thanks Paul for the connect - just started listening to it - so very rich and full of colour as Tim himself says he enjoys - the essence good music should be, no ego-tripping, just a beautifully woven Persian rug of sound. the one thing i always complain about though, is the rhythm section, but then i'm spoiled by early Pink Floyd with it's richly turbulent rhythm sections. something that has a slightly more lively (as in variable), rhythm section beneath these guitars would be almost perfect.
I was a 21 year old Brit in 1979. For me it was the end of the golden age of rock. I don’t think rock died but it was a little unwell. Since then it keeps recovering and there has been some great rock music but for me it has never had the consistency of the 60’s and 70’s. I think I was very influenced by what you grew up with, so perhaps I am looking at rock music through tinted glasses. I was tipped off about U2 by an Irish girl I worked with and also later Coldplay by a young chap I worked with and was able to appreciate them both before they became famous. Thanks Rick and Tim for a very interesting video and also bringing back fond memories for me.
As a lousy guitar player who loves the music, I love watching you guys talk about this stuff! It's really awesome to hear this side of the process from people who know what's going on in the back rooms. Rock will never die, in my humble opinion. As long as there is youthful angst and unrest, rock will prevail.
I'm dreading this decade as far as losing the "Gods" that have been and still are such influences in my life. I wouldn't have made it through half of it without Rock and Roll! The good times and the bad.
@@ronoku9445: Every music snob says that about their preferred style of music, simply because most bands don't make _exactly_ the kind of music they want to hear.
@@ronoku9445: The previous generation of famous musicians were _also_ few and far between. You just don't remember (or weren't alive for) the process of weeding out the mediocre ones and promoting the good ones to fame.
There's another Tuber that I watched recently talking about the same topic; a veteran in recording metal music. He was saying pretty much the same things. He says the equipment used today, laptop and a mixing board, is so much easier to use than a room full of equipment like back in the 90's, but today bands only book the studio for a few days whereas back then it'd be for months at a time. If Pink Floyd wanted to record today, their album would have nowhere near the detail that they used to have because bands actually had entire days to work on the minute sounds coming from each speaker. It's kinda sad to think that Hendrix will never happen again, not because guitar players are hard to find, but because studio time is so scarce for creating well thought out and detailed albums that can be played and appreciated for decades. It makes music seem so packaged and industrialized, which it is, and art doesn't do well under manufacturing standards. Maybe that's why pop has been up for so long. It's easier to produce.
I like hard left & right too. Just sounds so good. How come hardly anyone ever talks about Tom Verlain of Television , especially on Marquee Moon. Great stuff guys
Because Television is a good example of music that many missed (or wanted to miss); around 1978 - 79, people who listened went either towards Bon Jovi, AC/DC and Def Leppard, this kind of music, or towards post-punk. Marquee Moon never stood a chance against the tidal wave of the former in spite of it being better, in my opinion, than all that hard rock stuff. Give me Magazine, Television, and Iggy any day.
Johmathan .B. Swift Don’t underestimate the playing of Richard Lloyd on that record. Those guitars weave in and out of each other. Do you know who ended up with the Dumble that Tom Verlaine had built? Keith Urban. Couldn’t make that up.
Just a few from 1980 to 1993: ACDC - Back in Black - 1980 Scorpions - Animal Magnetism - 1980 Van Halen - Women and Children First - 1980 ACDC - For Those About To Rock - 1981 Def Leppard - High N Dry - 1981 Van Halen - Fair Warning - 1981 Motley Crue - Too Fast For Love - 1981 John Mellencamp - American Fool - 1982 Scorpions - Blackout - 1982 Billy Idol - Rebel Yell - 1983 Motley Crue - Shout At The Devil - 1983 Scorpions - Love at First Sting - 1984 Bruce Springsteen - Born in the USA - 1984 ACDC - Flick of the Switch - 1983 Van Halen - 1984 - 1984 Whitesnake - Slide It In - 1984 The Cult - Love - 1985 Bon Jovi - Slippery When Wet Guns N Roses - Appetite For Destruction - 1987 Tom Petty - Full Moon Fever The Cult - Electric - 1987 Def Leppard - Pyromania - 1983 John Mellencamp - Uh-Huh - 1983 Whitesnake - Whitesnake - 1987 Def Peppard - Hysteria - 1987 U2 - The Joshua Tree - 1987 Danzig - Danzig I - 1988 Bon Jovi - New Jersey - 1988 Lenny Kravitz - Let Love Rule - 1989 Motley Crue - Dr. Feelgood - 1989 Neil Young - Freedom - 1989 The Cult - Sonic Temple - 1989 The Tragically Hip - Up To Here - 1989 Danzig II - 1990 Razor's Edge - 1990 Van Halen - FUCK - 1991 Metallica - The Black Album - 1991 The Cult - Ceremony - 1991 Pearl Jam - Ten - 1991 Live - Mental Jewelry - 1991 Lenny Kravitz - Mama Said - 1991 The Tragically Hip - Road Apples - 1991 Guns N Roses - Use Your Illusions - 1991 Stone Temple Pilots - Core - 1992 The Tragically Hip - Fully Completely - 1992 Collective Soul - Hints Allegations And Things Left Unsaid - 1993 Lenny Kravitz - Are You Gonna Go My Way - 1993 Pearl Jam - Vs. - 1993 Smashing Pumpkins - Siamese Dream - 1993
This video really demonstrates not only how much experience these two have, but just how amazingly articulate they are in communicating that experience!
Rock is not dead it is simply being held hostage by consolidated corporate media monopolies, file sharing, spotify/pandora and trust fund posers willing to pay to play and suck up all the oxygen on late night tv where alot of great acts used to get their first real national exposure. Also sub genre purests like hardcore metal and prog metal who reject anything that doesn't have cookie monster vocals, two handed tapping guitar licks, sweep arpeggios and a whole host of neo soul cliches. It's up to we the listeners now to pick up the trail, find and kill the hostage takers and free Rock music from the shackles of corporate slave masters and a generation of musicians more driven by fear than by their own imaginations.
Well Said.. Rock is not dead... Get away from the radio and corporate music BS and you will find loads of it.... Just looking at the 2020 HoF and that catastrophe we now how it works nowadays with modern music and thinking..
You could argue that it became harder to make albums like Nevermind or OK Computer in the 1990s and thus an amazing achievement. In the end it’s about good songs.
This is a very interesting discussion. Some people over the years have said that New Wave ended Rock, but I don't believe that. Being a fan of both New Wave and Classic Rock, I believe that Rock WAS STRONG throughout the 80's and 90's (some of the 90's at least). Look at Bryan Adams, John Cougar (at the time before going by John Mellencamp), Huey Lewis and the News, Bruce Springsteen, Yes, RUSH, Van Halen, Def Leppard, Journey, Guns N' Roses, AC/DC, Bon Jovi, Skid Row, and RATT.....just to name a few.
Cool discussion. I would love to hear your thoughts about Prince. I heard he claimed himself to be a funk guy but to me he could also easily hang with or outdo almost any other rock hero of his day at rock guitar as well as rock vocals. Plus he mastered other stuff mentioned in this discussion like blending in keyboards, drum machines, etc...
As much as I love the Edge's guitar playing, it's a stretch to claim that he single-handedly created the style. There were several guitarists in the early 80's underground bands who were using delay, reverb, washes of sound, and other hallmarks of what the Edge does - John McGeogh from Magazine/ Siouxsie and the Banshees, Robin Guthrie of the Cocteau Twins, even some of Daniel Ash's work in Bauhaus and Tones on Tail as well as the guitarists in Echo and the Bunnymen, Xmal Deutschland, and other 4AD bands from that era - all of them come to mind and pre-date Unforgettable Fire. It's probably more accurate to say that that painterly 'soundscape' approach was in the air at the time, and the Edge simply brought it to the mainstream, with a lot of help from Eno and Lanois.
Good points. He didn't single-handedly create the style, but he certainly popularized it. The Edge is probably the most influential guitarist of the last quarter century.
C McA, you can apply that to another genre: groove metal Some people think Pantera started it, but the fact is there were other bands doing it before Pantera. Pantera popularized it. But, yeah, there were others using delay in some of the same ways “The Edge” well before he got popular doing it. He did develop his own signature style with it, though. He used that style A LOT on the second, third, fourth albums.
Totally agree - the sound was going on well before 1984's Unforgettable fire. Listen to Charlie Burchill on the Simple Minds' records Empires and Dance (1980), Sons and Fascination ('81), and in particular New Gold Dream ('82) to which The Unforgettable Fire is probably most close sonically.
I could listen to both of you opine about music for days on end. I love the stories. I love the insights. I love the passion and excitement and enjoyment so evident in both your faces and voices. Great conversation!
I've always been a huge fan of Andy Summers and agree that solving the 3 piece band sound was something that he and The Edge (along with Stuart Adamson of Big Country) addressed with magical washes of sound. I love me some Eddie Van Halen too and his method is amazing, but his joyful style seem to have gotten co-opted by shredders who just went for MPH instead of taste so it became sort of a dead end. My all-time favorite is Jeff Beck and his beautiful, idiosyncratic technique has kept me enthralled in the nearly 40 years I knew about his existence. This conversation is one I would have loved to have heard even more of. Good job Rick!
Longer interview !!!! I could listen to this brilliant knowledge for much, much longer. There was no loss of interest in anything that was spoken !!! Thanks Rick, for ALL the segments you put on youtube concerning rock music!
@@zbqb84a I was referring to a recent video Rick did with the Five Watt guy where he took a current pop song and added guitar to it. Would be great to see Rick do a video like that with Tim.
Rock will never die...it just changes and morphs. I remember in 1990 there was a cover article in Rolling Stone stating "Can Jesus Jones save Rock and Roll?" A lot of people don't even remember that group and their one hit, "Right Here, Right Now" -- then one year later Nirvana smashed the scene.
I agree Jake. Even the 60s and 70s bands that I love... sucked the moment the ball dropped in Times Square in 1980. (i.e. Tull, Who, Dead, Floyd, Yes, Crimson.) And any 80s band ..forget about it.
I just want to say we are so lucky to have video like this. I was attending conservatory’s and gigging with 4 bands playing 4 different genres of music trying to learn everything I could in the early to late 2000’s and I was up all day attending school and teaching and up all night gigging and rehearsing and absolutely exhausting myself doing it. Luckily I was young then. Now I could never do it. But back then I would of killed to be able to absorb all of this information instead of hoping to learn it somewhere along the way. Not to mention these guys are the best of the best. Between these two channels and now Tom Bukovac’s channel, the amount of guitar/professional recording, tone and gear information we are being given for free in just insane to me and I am so thankful for it.
1980: Rock('n'roll) music NOT dead- ACDC's B-I-B released, music bidness thriving, record stores everywhere, plenty of radio stations (FM!) with djs introducing new acts. 2020: music bidness collapsed, 'record stores' and independent radio non-existent, musical acts on SNL cringe worthy, but with TH-cam and Spotify you can INSTANTLY access the most obscure music imaginable, every U2 song mentioned above, and Selena Gomez's new release.
Rikkousa Taste is heavily influenced by promotion of certain things- as it always was throughout the himan history. Fashions, trends, changing styles etc. In modern world it becomes increasingly harder for any individual to choose from the myriad of possibilities. Usually win those, that are promoted to the top ( not necessarily the good ones)...
Rock died August 1, 1981 when MTV turned music into a visual medium. The quality of music took a massive hit when image became more important than craft and the singer-songwriter was all but disappeared. Then later the internet and digital music made things worse by taking out big money unless the "artist" twerks...
@@RAID5_Aesthetic Do you have stats on that? How many have made as much money as the Beatles? My point is that the fame and fortune pre-MTV incentivized the large number of bands wanting the same. That incentive structure no longer exists.
@@RAID5_Aesthetic >> that incentive structure exists at the high end. I agree, but that high end incentive brings a LOT more talent in at the low end who aspire to the high end. I'm sure there're many talented people who compose and play today, but there's no getting around the fact that music has become a visual medium now too and that reality has taken people's undivided attention off pure music. And I'm not attacking the video era. It was inevitable.
Artist's image have always been important, at least in the early days, the Beatles, Stones and Beach Boys lind of thing. But the song was right, video killed the radio star. Image has become at least as important than raw musical and vocal talent. Looks seem to reign.
I love hearing the oddities in recording and stories from different eras and scenes. This reminds me of some great players and some great conversations. I thank you for that.
nah. dude has little to no technical skill & hasn't developed any in 40 years. the contrast to Summers is super illustrative: you'd never find the riff to message in a bottle in a u2 song, cuz Edge couldn't imagine or play it.
@@RichardMcLamore Take away his Ditto. No, seriously, somebody, anybody, TAKE AWAY HIS DITTO! I can't stand anything he does because of that damn Ditto. Way to overkill it Edge. Everything sounds the same from him.
Good to see you have Tim Pierce on your show. I watch his videos here on TH-cam also and I am convinced he is the happiest person on the planet while he is playing his guitar.
Alex Lifeson would often record the same part (doubling) in stereo with completely different guitar sounds on each channel. It made for a very full, almost orchestral sound; e.g., Tom Sawyer and Camera Eye.
Absolutely. Her playing is great. There is a great video with an older Jen Turner and Natalie Merchant talking about the making of Tigerlily on TH-cam. Well worth a watch.
I love Rick ,Tim, and I'm a huge fan of U2 and the Edge (I agree with everything you guys said about Edge) but what started out as a a timelime discussion about the demise of rock music in 1979 ended up with a 12 minute discussion of Edge's contributions to modern guitar (immense) and production techniques. I love you guys , I just expected more.
Hearing you guys speaking so kindly of The Edge is awesome. I was obsessed with his guitar playing and sound scapes and spent years trying to figure them out. And just the spirituality of U2 music and this brought me back there and the concerts which on the level of religious experiences. I've been a fan since Pop (when I discovered them), which is a very underrated album.
In your own signature way, you both have done so much to advance musical education: theory, harmony, pedalboards, amps, insightful interviews, you name it. Tim’s suggestion about using a Boss EQ pedal on my board alone, has helped immeasurably. Could not have gotten thru the covid season without you both. Thanks!! And the Shawn Colvin mention made my day- Shawn Colvin, particularly the John Leventhal collaborations, fogettabouttit!
I completely agree with Tim's comments on the "colorless" nature of guitar starting in the early 2000s. The way I describe it is, "guitar stopped being a stringed instrument and started being a percussion instrument."
@@goodun2974: There's definitely a lot more rhythm guitar than melodic guitar nowadays, but even rhythm guitar is better than hammering on the same chord for several consecutive bars.
@@skyblazeeterno: No. Percussion means "hitting", not "plucking". Guitars are stringed instruments just like violins and cellos; the only difference is they are played with fingers or picks instead of bows.
You guys have the best conversation about music. The part about the Edge and the production aspects behind U2's record was fascinating. Thanks for taking the time to do this guys. Loved it.
For me, that started to happen around Feb '72 in the UK when the NME hired a new crop of university educated writers who were sociologically/politically aware and very influenced by the thinking/polemical style of Rolling Stone writers. Almost from one week to the next, the whole music paper scene changed. I lost any real understanding of pop after that.
It wasn’t rock that died in 1979. It was disco 💃 As a matter of fact, by the summer of 79, a lot of people were fed up with disco 💃, which culminated with Disco 💃 Demolition Night. It happened on July 12, 1979 at Cominskey Park in Chicago. Now, don’t get me wrong. I’m saying it officially died that night. However, it marked a point in time where enough people said enough. I remember vividly how all the 40 radio 📻 stations at the time overloaded their playlists with it. At that time, I used to listen 👂 to WABC 770 AM when they still played music 🎶 and know from first hand experience. Yet, I also used to listen 👂 WPLJ 95.5 FM 📻 in New York as well and that was the only hold playing rock music 🎶 at that time. I thought 💭 I’d just share that with you.
Dance music has, since 1980 been the biggest charting music. That is when it changed its name and many white acts got in on the act, eg New Order , Stone Rose's, Happy Mondays....
synthfreek Quite to the contrary. You’re about the disco transforming into house or dance music. However, I felt you completely missed my point. It was the dominance of disco that died. I would say it carried on until late 79 or early 80. However, it never regained the dominance that it had o we the air waves, at least in it’s original form. I just wanted to clear that up. Thanks 🙏 for your reply.
This video represents my favorite thing about TH-cam. Having the opportunity to hear the perspective from individuals like Tim and Rick can shave decades off your progress. Their way of cutting through the noise to get to the heart of the matter is something I cherish. Thanks to everyone involved.
I didn't want this to end. Two more hours of this, please.
Same here....we are so lucky to have this! I was attending conservatory’s and gigging 4 different genres of music trying to learn everything I could in the mid 2000’s and I was up all day all day and night exhausting myself doing it. Luckily I was young then. Now I could never do it. But back then I would of killed to be able to absorb all of this information instead of hoping to learn it somewhere along the way. Not to mention these guys are the best of the best. Between these two channels and now Tom Bukovac’s channel, the amount of guitar/professional recording, tone and gear information we are being given for free in just insane to me and I am so thankful for it.
Nice seeing you here! Turns out you're a good musician AND singer. 👍
Only 2 more hours?? Nooo.... Rick & Tim do coffee, music & guitars should be a thing. Forget that Seinfeld thing. Netflix, can you hear me??
Fuck man. I'm riveted to this.
Hello Dave! Wonderful to see you enjoying these wonderful men and musicians. Tim and Rick are consummate professionals and beautiful human beings! Love your site also…am a contributing member!
Rick! I have an idea: why don' t you start a series in wich you dedicate each episode to a different producer, trying to explain what makes them who they are, like their distinctive tecniques used on some of their biggest records. I think it would be awesome
Yes!
"What makes this producer great" series.... yes!
Great idea.
He's already done this - Brendan O'Brien (production) and Andy Wallace (mixing) I can think of off the top of my head. Definitely have a look through his videos.
That’s an amazing idea
Thanks Rick and Tim for having made all these talks together, you illuminate these subjects so greatly - in half an hour you lift ones understanding by years.
"Rock journalism is people who can't write, interviewing people who can't talk, for people who can't read." Frank Zappa.
try reading MOJO its great
Damn I miss Frank.
Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach. Those who can't teach, write about how bad the others are.
@@whyis45stillalive that's a pretty dumb and untrue truism. anyone who thinks criticism as a genre is just "opinions" is missing the point massively
Theres something not many people are talking about when it comes to music, the criticism of genres based on race. Black music journalists and the woke pro-black networks on the internet are always critical of white artists and white genres. They're the ones who come out after awards shows , or NFL half time shows, to create a controversy, criticize the white artists, and celebrate the black artists.
Theres a whole woke pro-black movement with an agenda thats racially motivated.
Eminem just released an album with good reviews, but there is a bunch of critics saying he is washed up and outdated. Mostly from the pro-blacks. If you follow a pro-black on the internet for any length of time you'll see how it works.
This conversation is so genial and humble, down to earth. It feels like I'm sitting at the table with them. Rick has hands down the best musicians channel on TH-cam!
I really like the discussion about The Edge and his contribution to guitar innovation. This could make a great series: discussion of specific guitarist style, genius, contribution , etc. whether it be shredding, sonic, or orchestration, or in-your- face,, or delicate touch. Eddie VanHalen, or Phil Manaznera, they both offer much.
I wouldn't mind if it was broader and focused on more than just guitarists. Do an episode on Neil Peart, Eddie Van Halen, Kurt Cobain, Sting, Maynard James Keenan, etc. There are tons of musicians I haven't understood and then I hear someone talk enthusiastically about and go back and hear all these little things I never noticed before. I think it helps people to listen to things they otherwise wouldn't and appreciate musicians they never would if they had been left to their own little bubble.
B K yeah, everybody wants to stack delays to hell and back to copy the Edge
The Edge ! Don't make me laugh. You obviously haven't heard Randy Rhoads amazing innovative guitar work in the late 70s early 80s.
@@mattbarbarich3295 If you want to put down the Edge, bring up David Gilmour or Adrian Belew, they're way closer of a "comparison" due to their use of effects.
Matt Barbarich , sure I know who Randy Rhodes is; and I know who Adam Granduciel is too. Both, in my view are worthy of discussion.
I’m a few years older than you guys and have loved Rock my whole life, beginning with my very first concert (Santana at the Santa Clara County Fairgrounds at 15 years old). Even though I’m a long time subscriber of both Rick and Tim, I’ve learned more about rock music and all my rock heroes over the last hour than the last 50 years. What a fascinating conversation between you two.
I don’t have to watch this to know the answer is “no”. But now I’m going to watch it as the idea of Beato and Pierce is too good to miss 👍🏻
HELL No. Right now it's alive and growing with bands like The Black Keys, The Heavy, Black Pistol Fire
@@MaxRamos8 the black keys suck balls
Alan Peters wow, what an intelligent comment...
Really makes you look like a fool.
@@michaelctanner or a 12 year old
Yeh I wouldn’t say The Black Keys brought rock back. Not a fan. Like at all.
Agree 100% on Unforgettable Fire. That was my entry into U2 and I made a chrome tape copy of an LP in my dorm room freshman year....playing it on headphones was one of the best sonic experiences I remember. Later I listened to War and October....but just couldn't get into them. Then, of course, standing 75 feet from the stage in 1987 in Vancouver....changed everything. My TRULY GREAT CONCERT EXPERIENCE.
Also, in the 80s, the American indie scene that encompassed R.E.M. and hardcore punk - where do people think Nirvana comes out of?
Also, thank you for giving The Edge his proper credit. He is an amazing guitarist, and it irritates me that it's even being debated.
@@pandemic7 Shut up dude.
I can`t stand Bono so they make me sick now.
@@tomjones239 You don't like Bono?? Bono is the most important, moral, talented, influential, wonderful, intelligent, incredible person in the world. Just ask him; he'll tell you so himself.
@@patrick5838 Well, Facebook and Twitter banned me for asking Bernie Sanders for a free monkey so I have no way to contact Bono at this time. I wanted to ask Bono what the hell he was trying to say in the lyrics to the song "Beautiful Day." I challenge anyone to translate them....
@Luke Robinett Calm down dude...if you feel compelled to try to police people‘s behaviors online, that must mean you don’t feel like you have a whole lot of power or influence in your own life!
such a rich conversation. Thank you guys!
The Edge and Johnny Marr
created a new breed of guitarist. Great conversation from 2 great music lovers-Thank you.
Give the Edge his due but guys like Stuart Adamson and John McGeoch were pioneering too.
Also even Keith Levene from PiL had a hugely unique sound when they first appeared.
Neu! was doing post-punk 10 years before brits coined the term. McGeoch with Magazine was british Krautrock.
Robert Fripp and Adrian Belew are trailblazers for texture oriented guitarists.
Johnny Fuckin Marr
@@Bansidhe Keith Levene - you guys keep bringing up such EXCELLENT players!
Can't forget Geordie Walker either.
One of those guys where you only need to hear a couple of seconds and there's no doubt that it's him.
I'm glad you guys found your people here on TH-cam. Its amazing listening to the dialogue.
1980 -
-Bon Scott dies February 19th
-Judas Priest releases ‘British Steel’ April 14th
-Black Sabbath released ‘Heaven and Hell’ April 25th with new singer Ronnie James Dio
-AC/DC released ‘Back in Black’ July 25th with new singer Brian Johnson
-Ozzy’s new band ‘Bliizard of Ozz’ released self titled album Sept. 20th
-John Bonham dies Sept. 25th
-(Led Zeppelin disbands shortly after Bonham’s death)
There were other incredible classic rock albums released that year as well... the 70s has incredible music but 1980 was definitely a turning point for so many...
-Bob Seger releases ‘Against the Wind’ February 25th
-Eagles disbanded July
-REO Speedwagon releases ‘Hi I fidelity’ November 21st
Priceless! Thanks Rick. Thanks Tim
I love to hear these two men speak about music!
Finally giving Edge his due. Nobody realizes how brilliant he is. Thank you thank you thank you Rick and Tim.
Big Country. When Stuart Adamson died, I believe The Edge was quoted as saying something like that Big Country was everything that they aspired to be but couldn't quite attain. Wonder what you think about them and if you would ever do a video about their music. I saw them live once and was just so blown away.
❤️ Big Country
Great band.
A fantastic rhythm section in Butler/Brzezicki and that guitar combo of Stuart and Bruce.
Never got the chance to see them before Stuart left us but he's a big influence on my guitar style.
Dunfermline, where Stuart and Bruce were from is just about half an hour down the road from me.
@@Bansidhe Big Country is one of the reasons the 80's was so cool😎.
@@Bansidhe Brzezicki also played in The Cult too right? Awesome drummer.
Yes, he's on all of the "Love" record apart from She Sells Sanctuary. One of my favourite albums. Billy Duffy is hugely underrated.
Mark is an octopus of a man.
Generally speaking people who don’t understand the brilliance of the Edge weren’t around to hear him in the early 80s when his sound was undeniably unique.
Not at all, as many classics like Jethro Tull and ACDC were making insane hits, with newer acts like Metallica and Iron Maiden still growing strong! Rock isn't dead, it just changed
I'm guessing we're vastly different ages, but saying Metallica and Iron Maiden are "newer" acts with 40 years of a career is a stretch...
I'm not a huge AC/DC fan at all, however, they were the first to come to mind. They carried the torch well through most of five decades.
@@seenbelow I meant when Metallica and iron maiden just bursted onto the scene in the 80s
Nobody who has seen a recent AC/DC concert would say rock is dead. Except for Johnson, he looks like a bloated corpse.
It hasn't changed either. No more than usual anyway. It has been uprooted by management. Therefore not put out as "in demand". So, it's not the music, it's not the audience, it's the corporation. Get it right.
Brilliant discussion. Rick - it's so great to have a musician's music channel on TH-cam. Thanks for letting us be a fly on the wall.
How can rock die in 1979 when Back in Black came out in 1980? 😛
because technically the end of the decade was the end of 1980, not 79
Michael Xz here we go. That is true if you take the “there was no year zero” approach. That’s too complicated for most, so I’ll just assume that the writing or recording of anything good released between ‘80 and ‘82 was in the works in ‘79 😂
@@michaelxz1305 1980 was not part of the 70's no matter how you slice the decades.
so, by that logic, the new world was discovered in the 14th century, 1492. And we're actually in the 20th century, since it is 20-20. but I jest.
that battle was lost in the y2k and, in the age of social media, the war is lost. Doesn't matter what is technically correct, majority rules decided it is the new decade. And that debate only really affects historians and astronomers, etc. does not affect most people.
@@rd-um4sp No that's just wrong. 2000 is part of the same cardinal century as 1999, that's true. But in no way does that make 2000 part of the 1900's. 2000 is, very obviously, part of the 2000's. 1980 is part of the 1980's because that's how naming numbers works. It's distinct and separate from cardinal century (or decade). But this is all pedantic semantics. Go away now.
Great perspective on a little Rock history! Thanks! :)
Rock is still alive. It just doesn't matter nearly as much anymore.
So Rock is pretty much dead
Yeah, polka is not dead either!
I downloaded Tim Pierce's cd 'Guitarland' about a year ago, one of the best guitar albums you will ever hear, just brilliant.
thanks Paul for the connect - just started listening to it - so very rich and full of colour as Tim himself says he enjoys - the essence good music should be, no ego-tripping, just a beautifully woven Persian rug of sound. the one thing i always complain about though, is the rhythm section, but then i'm spoiled by early Pink Floyd with it's richly turbulent rhythm sections. something that has a slightly more lively (as in variable), rhythm section beneath these guitars would be almost perfect.
I was a 21 year old Brit in 1979. For me it was the end of the golden age of rock.
I don’t think rock died but it was a little unwell.
Since then it keeps recovering and there has been some great rock music but for me it has never had the consistency of the 60’s and 70’s.
I think I was very influenced by what you grew up with, so perhaps I am looking at rock music through tinted glasses.
I was tipped off about U2 by an Irish girl I worked with and also later Coldplay by a young chap I worked with and was able to appreciate them both before they became famous.
Thanks Rick and Tim for a very interesting video and also bringing back fond memories for me.
As a lousy guitar player who loves the music, I love watching you guys talk about this stuff! It's really awesome to hear this side of the process from people who know what's going on in the back rooms.
Rock will never die, in my humble opinion. As long as there is youthful angst and unrest, rock will prevail.
Rock is not dead/dying..unfortunately what is dying are the "rock icons". Leaving us at an alarming rate lately.
I'm dreading this decade as far as losing the "Gods" that have been and still are such influences in my life. I wouldn't have made it through half of it without Rock and Roll! The good times and the bad.
Making room for new artists to become famous.
@@deusexaethera I meeeaannn you're not wrong
@@ronoku9445: Every music snob says that about their preferred style of music, simply because most bands don't make _exactly_ the kind of music they want to hear.
@@ronoku9445: The previous generation of famous musicians were _also_ few and far between. You just don't remember (or weren't alive for) the process of weeding out the mediocre ones and promoting the good ones to fame.
I could listen to these two talk music all day, everyday. The wealth of knowledge and stories are so interesting.
The Unforgettable Fire is among the all time best rock records.
My favourite U2 album
Must agree. Spectacular every single time I listen to it.
@William Loudermilk Nice example of how to state a subjective opinion as a fact and look like a dumbed down fool.
@@goodun2974 You know you don't have to choose just one, right? Don't limit yourself.
Amazing interview! Thank you Rick
There's another Tuber that I watched recently talking about the same topic; a veteran in recording metal music. He was saying pretty much the same things. He says the equipment used today, laptop and a mixing board, is so much easier to use than a room full of equipment like back in the 90's, but today bands only book the studio for a few days whereas back then it'd be for months at a time. If Pink Floyd wanted to record today, their album would have nowhere near the detail that they used to have because bands actually had entire days to work on the minute sounds coming from each speaker. It's kinda sad to think that Hendrix will never happen again, not because guitar players are hard to find, but because studio time is so scarce for creating well thought out and detailed albums that can be played and appreciated for decades. It makes music seem so packaged and industrialized, which it is, and art doesn't do well under manufacturing standards. Maybe that's why pop has been up for so long. It's easier to produce.
Wonderful....that's how it's done...and The Edge is indeed a unique genius....
I like hard left & right too. Just sounds so good.
How come hardly anyone ever talks about Tom Verlain of Television , especially on Marquee Moon.
Great stuff guys
Because Television is a good example of music that many missed (or wanted to miss); around 1978 - 79, people who listened went either towards Bon Jovi, AC/DC and Def Leppard, this kind of music, or towards post-punk. Marquee Moon never stood a chance against the tidal wave of the former in spite of it being better, in my opinion, than all that hard rock stuff. Give me Magazine, Television, and Iggy any day.
Or BeBop Deluxe, or Radiohead...GREAT point
Johmathan .B. Swift Don’t underestimate the playing of Richard Lloyd on that record. Those guitars weave in and out of each other. Do you know who ended up with the Dumble that Tom Verlaine had built? Keith Urban. Couldn’t make that up.
Absolutely this.
@@danielwoodard680 Had their *Live in The Air Age* album. Love Sister Seagull on that.
Great interview capturing music history. Always enjoy listening to Tim Pierce.
Thanks for The Edge being acknowledged as a genius. My favorite is ‘Bad’ , live or studio track. Beautiful!!!!!!
Yes, one of their very best songs.
I love hearing these guys talk. You can really tell when people are at the top of their profession.
Just a few from 1980 to 1993:
ACDC - Back in Black - 1980
Scorpions - Animal Magnetism - 1980
Van Halen - Women and Children First - 1980
ACDC - For Those About To Rock - 1981
Def Leppard - High N Dry - 1981
Van Halen - Fair Warning - 1981
Motley Crue - Too Fast For Love - 1981
John Mellencamp - American Fool - 1982
Scorpions - Blackout - 1982
Billy Idol - Rebel Yell - 1983
Motley Crue - Shout At The Devil - 1983
Scorpions - Love at First Sting - 1984
Bruce Springsteen - Born in the USA - 1984
ACDC - Flick of the Switch - 1983
Van Halen - 1984 - 1984
Whitesnake - Slide It In - 1984
The Cult - Love - 1985
Bon Jovi - Slippery When Wet
Guns N Roses - Appetite For Destruction - 1987
Tom Petty - Full Moon Fever
The Cult - Electric - 1987
Def Leppard - Pyromania - 1983
John Mellencamp - Uh-Huh - 1983
Whitesnake - Whitesnake - 1987
Def Peppard - Hysteria - 1987
U2 - The Joshua Tree - 1987
Danzig - Danzig I - 1988
Bon Jovi - New Jersey - 1988
Lenny Kravitz - Let Love Rule - 1989
Motley Crue - Dr. Feelgood - 1989
Neil Young - Freedom - 1989
The Cult - Sonic Temple - 1989
The Tragically Hip - Up To Here - 1989
Danzig II - 1990
Razor's Edge - 1990
Van Halen - FUCK - 1991
Metallica - The Black Album - 1991
The Cult - Ceremony - 1991
Pearl Jam - Ten - 1991
Live - Mental Jewelry - 1991
Lenny Kravitz - Mama Said - 1991
The Tragically Hip - Road Apples - 1991
Guns N Roses - Use Your Illusions - 1991
Stone Temple Pilots - Core - 1992
The Tragically Hip - Fully Completely - 1992
Collective Soul - Hints Allegations And Things Left Unsaid - 1993
Lenny Kravitz - Are You Gonna Go My Way - 1993
Pearl Jam - Vs. - 1993
Smashing Pumpkins - Siamese Dream - 1993
You forgot a whole genre, no thrash, The Black Album doesn't count.
TomVerlaine Flash Light 1987
MSG, dude, u just can’t avoid Michael Schenker
This video really demonstrates not only how much experience these two have, but just how amazingly articulate they are in communicating that experience!
Rock is not dead it is simply being held hostage by consolidated corporate media monopolies, file sharing, spotify/pandora and trust fund posers willing to pay to play and suck up all the oxygen on late night tv where alot of great acts used to get their first real national exposure. Also sub genre purests like hardcore metal and prog metal who reject anything that doesn't have cookie monster vocals, two handed tapping guitar licks, sweep arpeggios and a whole host of neo soul cliches.
It's up to we the listeners now to pick up the trail, find and kill the hostage takers and free Rock music from the shackles of corporate slave masters and a generation of musicians more driven by fear than by their own imaginations.
Wayne Clark I don’t have enough thumbs to raise. You nailed it friend!
Interesting argument, mmm It can be stolen back Nirvana did it once. We need some NEW thieves!
Well Said.. Rock is not dead... Get away from the radio and corporate music BS and you will find loads of it.... Just looking at the 2020 HoF and that catastrophe we now how it works nowadays with modern music and thinking..
Wayne ,you said it for me.all arts are being replaced with propaganda. Whoever talent always wins through the public knows what's good
WELL SAID MAN. THATS ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING IN THE CORRECT ORDER
(you're a reader aren't you, good on you for caring man..)
Tim is always such a inspiration to watch and listen! Super humble guy, and a guitar powerhouse. So much one can learn from him and his attitude.
You could argue that it became harder to make albums like Nevermind or OK Computer in the 1990s and thus an amazing achievement. In the end it’s about good songs.
Fantastic hearing the history you both lived through and learning about the techniques, tricks and evolution.
U2's Drowning Man is one of my favorite songs!
I just came across this clip --- so much gratitude to Rick and Tim. You guys make the world better with your attitudes.
This is a very interesting discussion. Some people over the years have said that New Wave ended Rock, but I don't believe that. Being a fan of both New Wave and Classic Rock, I believe that Rock WAS STRONG throughout the 80's and 90's (some of the 90's at least). Look at Bryan Adams, John Cougar (at the time before going by John Mellencamp), Huey Lewis and the News, Bruce Springsteen, Yes, RUSH, Van Halen, Def Leppard, Journey, Guns N' Roses, AC/DC, Bon Jovi, Skid Row, and RATT.....just to name a few.
Don’t forget the 90s bands like Alice In Chains, Soundgarden, Three Doors Down, etc.
@@ChefClary60Hell yeah, especially Alice in Chains!!
Guys , I´m not much on the guitars thing but I could listen to you for hours and you really make me appreciate a lot of things in music.
Neil Young sang _rock and roll will never die_ in the 1979 "Hey Hey, My My (Into the Black)"
He wrote a lot of ironic lyrics, didn't he?
Just great to see two fabulous musicians so excited and passionate talking about their favourite subject.
Two extremely knowledgeable musicians talking about guitars and rock. No matter how long this video is it won't be long enough.
Kevin O'ROurke
TIL Rock is not a genre
Seeing this again after many months. Very enjoyable, I could listen to you guys chat about stuff all day long.
Cool discussion. I would love to hear your thoughts about Prince. I heard he claimed himself to be a funk guy but to me he could also easily hang with or outdo almost any other rock hero of his day at rock guitar as well as rock vocals. Plus he mastered other stuff mentioned in this discussion like blending in keyboards, drum machines, etc...
Prince was totally ignored in best guitar intros for When Doves Cry....I don't think he's on Beatos radar tbh
I can keep on listening to this topic of conversation forever ..... thanks Rick... thanks Tim...
As much as I love the Edge's guitar playing, it's a stretch to claim that he single-handedly created the style. There were several guitarists in the early 80's underground bands who were using delay, reverb, washes of sound, and other hallmarks of what the Edge does - John McGeogh from Magazine/ Siouxsie and the Banshees, Robin Guthrie of the Cocteau Twins, even some of Daniel Ash's work in Bauhaus and Tones on Tail as well as the guitarists in Echo and the Bunnymen, Xmal Deutschland, and other 4AD bands from that era - all of them come to mind and pre-date Unforgettable Fire. It's probably more accurate to say that that painterly 'soundscape' approach was in the air at the time, and the Edge simply brought it to the mainstream, with a lot of help from Eno and Lanois.
Good points. He didn't single-handedly create the style, but he certainly popularized it. The Edge is probably the most influential guitarist of the last quarter century.
C McA, you can apply that to another genre: groove metal
Some people think Pantera started it, but the fact is there were other bands doing it before Pantera. Pantera popularized it.
But, yeah, there were others using delay in some of the same ways “The Edge” well before he got popular doing it.
He did develop his own signature style with it, though. He used that style A LOT on the second, third, fourth albums.
Totally agree - the sound was going on well before 1984's Unforgettable fire. Listen to Charlie Burchill on the Simple Minds' records Empires and Dance (1980), Sons and Fascination ('81), and in particular New Gold Dream ('82) to which The Unforgettable Fire is probably most close sonically.
Dave Gilmour was the major influence on these guys including The Edge. Don't forget that!!
Case closed! You really know your stuff
I could listen to both of you opine about music for days on end. I love the stories. I love the insights. I love the passion and excitement and enjoyment so evident in both your faces and voices. Great conversation!
I've always been a huge fan of Andy Summers and agree that solving the 3 piece band sound was something that he and The Edge (along with Stuart Adamson of Big Country) addressed with magical washes of sound. I love me some Eddie Van Halen too and his method is amazing, but his joyful style seem to have gotten co-opted by shredders who just went for MPH instead of taste so it became sort of a dead end. My all-time favorite is Jeff Beck and his beautiful, idiosyncratic technique has kept me enthralled in the nearly 40 years I knew about his existence. This conversation is one I would have loved to have heard even more of. Good job Rick!
Big Country had Bruce Watson playing rhythm guitar. 😉
Longer interview !!!! I could listen to this brilliant knowledge for much, much longer. There was no loss of interest in anything that was spoken !!! Thanks Rick, for ALL the segments you put on youtube concerning rock music!
An "I added guitar to this song" video with Tim Pierce as guest would be killer.
yes it would
With north of 1,200 credits that would be a loooong video. But, yeah, I'd watch it.
@@zbqb84a I was referring to a recent video Rick did with the Five Watt guy where he took a current pop song and added guitar to it. Would be great to see Rick do a video like that with Tim.
Tim does that on his channel.
Love seeing the 2 of you together. So much knowledge combined. Can;t wait for the next.
Rock will never die...it just changes and morphs. I remember in 1990 there was a cover article in Rolling Stone stating "Can Jesus Jones save Rock and Roll?" A lot of people don't even remember that group and their one hit, "Right Here, Right Now" -- then one year later Nirvana smashed the scene.
Does Right here Right now even have any real instruments in it? 😆 Good song tho.
I love when you two get together. Y'all are the utmost authority for guitar and music on you tube!
Yeah...70s rock died in 1979. simple as that.
Jacob Hartle 💯
I agree sir 😂. A light switch was thrown to the “off” position
Not all. Rush, Black Sabbath and Aerosmith evolved into the 80s and later.
GREAT rock ended in the 70's, 80's paled in comparison. 90's grunge sucked. Simple as that.
I agree Jake. Even the 60s and 70s bands that I love... sucked the moment the ball dropped in Times Square in 1980. (i.e. Tull, Who, Dead, Floyd, Yes, Crimson.) And any 80s band ..forget about it.
I just want to say we are so lucky to have video like this. I was attending conservatory’s and gigging with 4 bands playing 4 different genres of music trying to learn everything I could in the early to late 2000’s and I was up all day attending school and teaching and up all night gigging and rehearsing and absolutely exhausting myself doing it. Luckily I was young then. Now I could never do it. But back then I would of killed to be able to absorb all of this information instead of hoping to learn it somewhere along the way. Not to mention these guys are the best of the best. Between these two channels and now Tom Bukovac’s channel, the amount of guitar/professional recording, tone and gear information we are being given for free in just insane to me and I am so thankful for it.
1980: Rock('n'roll) music NOT dead- ACDC's B-I-B released, music bidness thriving, record stores everywhere, plenty of radio stations (FM!) with djs introducing new acts.
2020: music bidness collapsed, 'record stores' and independent radio non-existent, musical acts on SNL cringe worthy, but with TH-cam and Spotify you can INSTANTLY access the most obscure music imaginable, every U2 song mentioned above, and Selena Gomez's new release.
What a treat to listen to those two legends in this interview! Thanks Rick!!
Rock isn't dead. Journalism is dead.
It’s a combination of both factors : dying journalism and corporate decisions about what to put on the pedestal:)
Rikkousa Taste is heavily influenced by promotion of certain things- as it always was throughout the himan history. Fashions, trends, changing styles etc. In modern world it becomes increasingly harder for any individual to choose from the myriad of possibilities. Usually win those, that are promoted to the top ( not necessarily the good ones)...
@@rikkousa Along with the shrinking attention span.
Jolly Misanthrope -truth.
@@KrystofDreamJourney ...or even pedalboard 😉
The article did it's job. Emotions are stirred for conversation.
2 very knowledgeable people having a casual chat about rock music, cant beat it.
Two Master Musicians...sharing a lifetime of knowledge! All comments disabled after this post.....Thank You Both!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks for givin' Edge respect, and the Cessna flying through my kitchen.
That wasn't a Cessna, probably a Mooney or a King Air
Randy van Vliet -life without learning sucks: correction acknowledged✌️
@@dr.feelicks2051 OK, it was probably a Lycoming O-540, flat 6... they do have a distinctive sound, especially with no muffler.
@@randyvanvliet226 Mooney? I thought it was a radial because it was so damn slow. :-)
I went back and listened to mentioned songs one by one and relearned them. Enough for me to digest for a long time. Great video!
Rock died August 1, 1981 when MTV turned music into a visual medium. The quality of music took a massive hit when image became more important than craft and the singer-songwriter was all but disappeared. Then later the internet and digital music made things worse by taking out big money unless the "artist" twerks...
@@RAID5_Aesthetic Do you have stats on that? How many have made as much money as the Beatles? My point is that the fame and fortune pre-MTV incentivized the large number of bands wanting the same. That incentive structure no longer exists.
@@RAID5_Aesthetic >> that incentive structure exists at the high end.
I agree, but that high end incentive brings a LOT more talent in at the low end who aspire to the high end. I'm sure there're many talented people who compose and play today, but there's no getting around the fact that music has become a visual medium now too and that reality has taken people's undivided attention off pure music. And I'm not attacking the video era. It was inevitable.
Artist's image have always been important, at least in the early days, the Beatles, Stones and Beach Boys lind of thing. But the song was right, video killed the radio star. Image has become at least as important than raw musical and vocal talent. Looks seem to reign.
Sharp Dressed Man?
I would submit that singer-songwriters like Tom Petty managed to rock authentically hard, while using MTV to his advantage.
I absolutely love Tim and his channel. I could listen to him tell stories all day.
No. Moving Pictures was released in 81!
How many drummers does it take to change a light bulb? 4 1 to change it, and 3 to argue about how Neil Peart could have done it better!
What about me?
And Permanent Waves in 80!
At the time Rush were considered as selling out rock and becoming pop as they had the temerity to use some synths
@@skyblazeeterno It isn't fair!
I love hearing the oddities in recording and stories from different eras and scenes. This reminds me of some great players and some great conversations. I thank you for that.
The Edge is an absolute genius. So glad Rick and Tim love him too.
nah. dude has little to no technical skill & hasn't developed any in 40 years. the contrast to Summers is super illustrative: you'd never find the riff to message in a bottle in a u2 song, cuz Edge couldn't imagine or play it.
@@RichardMcLamore Take away his Ditto. No, seriously, somebody, anybody, TAKE AWAY HIS DITTO! I can't stand anything he does because of that damn Ditto. Way to overkill it Edge. Everything sounds the same from him.
Good to see you have Tim Pierce on your show. I watch his videos here on TH-cam also and I am convinced he is the happiest person on the planet while he is playing his guitar.
Alex Lifeson would often record the same part (doubling) in stereo with completely different guitar sounds on each channel. It made for a very full, almost orchestral sound; e.g., Tom Sawyer and Camera Eye.
James Hetfield of Metallica has done the same thing since working with Bob Rock. Using as many as 10 different guitar tracks on some songs.
@@soulcrusher807 But falls on its face live. Not so with Rush. Loud does not count.
@@soulcrusher807 Tom Scholz did this w/ Boston as well, tons of gtr tracks
@@gonepickin990 Metallica are widely regarded as one of the best live bands, but umm sure.
This episode is like a christmas gift. 2 of my fave youtubers in one place !!
Speaking of female musicians and bands in the '90s, I really like Jen Turner's work on Natalie Merchant's _Tigerlily_ album, particularly "Carnival"
Loved that album! Kind of been rediscovering it again. Great observation.
Absolutely. Her playing is great. There is a great video with an older Jen Turner and Natalie Merchant talking about the making of Tigerlily on TH-cam. Well worth a watch.
I could listen to you two guys for hours. Looking forward to the next video...
I love Rick ,Tim, and I'm a huge fan of U2 and the Edge (I agree with everything you guys said about Edge) but what started out as a a timelime discussion about the demise of rock music in 1979 ended up with a 12 minute discussion of Edge's contributions to modern guitar (immense) and production techniques. I love you guys , I just expected more.
More what?
@@HBSuccess an actual discussion about rock music (assuming they mean guitar centric music) beyond the 90's and early 2000's and where it is today.
Hearing you guys speaking so kindly of The Edge is awesome. I was obsessed with his guitar playing and sound scapes and spent years trying to figure them out. And just the spirituality of U2 music and this brought me back there and the concerts which on the level of religious experiences. I've been a fan since Pop (when I discovered them), which is a very underrated album.
Plane Pilot: lemme do the slowest possible circles around this one backyard
for real, does dude live in an airport
Sounds like an old radial engine warbird.
@@tomblaze2 They're at NAMM. Probably at a hotel near the airport. Rick lives in Atlanta, Tim is an LA hired gun studio guitar god.
Yeah it was like, hey, I think thats Tim Pierce and Rick Beato down there, smh.
There are lots of little puddle-jumper airlines that run up and down the California coast to transport people between LAX and local airports.
In your own signature way, you both have done so much to advance musical education: theory, harmony, pedalboards, amps, insightful interviews, you name it. Tim’s suggestion about using a Boss EQ pedal on my board alone, has helped immeasurably. Could not have gotten thru the covid season without you both. Thanks!! And the Shawn Colvin mention made my day- Shawn Colvin, particularly the John Leventhal collaborations, fogettabouttit!
I completely agree with Tim's comments on the "colorless" nature of guitar starting in the early 2000s. The way I describe it is, "guitar stopped being a stringed instrument and started being a percussion instrument."
@@goodun2974: There's definitely a lot more rhythm guitar than melodic guitar nowadays, but even rhythm guitar is better than hammering on the same chord for several consecutive bars.
Technically it's always been percussion
@@skyblazeeterno: No. Percussion means "hitting", not "plucking". Guitars are stringed instruments just like violins and cellos; the only difference is they are played with fingers or picks instead of bows.
You two together are a pinnacle of an art form I didn’t realize until now. I don’t know what to call it - music appreciation? Overview? . . . . ?
Alex Lifeson in Rush. Perfect imo.
You make a good team together, talk so much sense, always look forward to seeing you . ATB
LONG LIVE ROCK N ROLL \m/
A truly GREAT 1979... ehh.... 1978 album!
Rainbow was awesome!
You guys have the best conversation about music. The part about the Edge and the production aspects behind U2's record was fascinating. Thanks for taking the time to do this guys. Loved it.
Rock didn't die at all in '79. Instead, an entirely new level of pretentiousness(?) was born in music journalism.
For me, that started to happen around Feb '72 in the UK when the NME hired a new crop of university educated writers who were sociologically/politically aware and very influenced by the thinking/polemical style of Rolling Stone writers. Almost from one week to the next, the whole music paper scene changed. I lost any real understanding of pop after that.
This is great! I'm happy to be able to sit on the mountaintop with you guys for a little while.
AC/DC Back in Black 1980, yeah rock died in 1979 lmao
Also, fun fact: Its the 2cnd best selling album of all time, ever, in the world
Guns N Roses Appetite For Destruction came out in 1987!!
Great chat - Unforgettable Fire is so massive and sweeping - nice mention!
It wasn’t rock that died in 1979. It was disco 💃 As a matter of fact, by the summer of 79, a lot of people were fed up with disco 💃, which culminated with Disco 💃 Demolition Night. It happened on July 12, 1979 at Cominskey Park in Chicago. Now, don’t get me wrong. I’m saying it officially died that night. However, it marked a point in time where enough people said enough. I remember vividly how all the 40 radio 📻 stations at the time overloaded their playlists with it. At that time, I used to listen 👂 to WABC 770 AM when they still played music 🎶 and know from first hand experience. Yet, I also used to listen 👂 WPLJ 95.5 FM 📻 in New York as well and that was the only hold playing rock music 🎶 at that time. I thought 💭 I’d just share that with you.
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You're obviously oblivious to house music and dance culture which is what disco morphed into.
Disco demolition was triggered by rock enthusiasts who couldn't dance. Disco has never left us. It's been renamed several times, though.
Dance music has, since 1980 been the biggest charting music. That is when it changed its name and many white acts got in on the act, eg New Order , Stone Rose's, Happy Mondays....
synthfreek Quite to the contrary. You’re about the disco transforming into house or dance music. However, I felt you completely missed my point. It was the dominance of disco that died. I would say it carried on until late 79 or early 80. However, it never regained the dominance that it had o we the air waves, at least in it’s original form. I just wanted to clear that up. Thanks 🙏 for your reply.
I could listen to you guys for whole day. Amazing conversation
"Beautiful day" comes from "sun always shine on tv" by a-ha, imo
klasnm _ SASOTV is such a great tune
I could watch Rick and Tim talk forever, i really could just absolute legends of the craft and the TH-cam music production media family.