A clash of civilisations played out at SCMP’s annual China Conference
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A debate between American journalist Keith Richburg and Chinese venture capitalist Eric Li got passionate.
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Richburg bases his arguments on subjective views, Li bases his on facts. They shouldn't even be on the same stage.
He only knows how to draw a piece of cake & describe how to bake it ,but lack of experience to do and taste it himself. On the contrary Li has tasted and evaluated all the real cakes and sharing the real taste
HIs rebuttal is "I disagree with that" but really can not say anything to rebut it.
I can’t believe that he is a professor at HKU. He couldn’t even hold a intellectual conversation with others.
Fiona Huang I would not hire him if I was the dean.
B/cos he has connection to the hiring officer. 🤪🤪 Skills and qualification are not required.
@@nickeldime1691 maybe for other reasons?
No wonder the ranking if HK U is falling every year
@Mikasa Ackermann, that's right 😜😜👎 Intelligent enough to bull$h!t unintelligently and put himself in never neverland. 😁😁 Then he couldn't get out. He lost himself. 😂 Like a fool who can always ask a thousand questions which a wise man can never answer.
Oh the smugness of that hku dude. If he’s any more smug he’ll be white.
I notice the bulging of his eyes, do you think he was about to turn?
Prof Keith seemed impolite with his condescending attitude towards Eric. He certainly could disagree but laughing and smiling cynically lower his own status and dignity. To this Debate I wish to state Keith should seriously re-examine that the concept of Democracy is not a ‘divine prescription’ for every country. So long as the “vast MAJORITY in China has been alleviated from Poverty”, the Concept of Democracy (majority over minority voice and vote - individualism vs collectivism culture) would need to be re-examined and redefined. In some war-torn Africa countries (maybe Prof Keith’s ancestral land) FOOD and shelter are far more important than “Empty Democracy”. Francis Fukuyama,the famed political scientist, conceded that centralised systems can deliver economic outcomes that are superior to decentralised inefficient democratic regimes. Would Keith’s sneering attitude one day be turned to an envy ?
he was so pompous. and to mention this china students who sought out education at a western uni in China as evidence of anything (as if he didn't know it was non creditable anecdotes) and then when Li mentions he uses Marcos from Polls Keith simply says.. "Oh sure if you believe that!" gross. with that smarmy face he was a poster child of a Lib.
And did you notice that he's a professor at the Hong Kong University? That explains a lot what's happening in Hong Kong, I believe. Many Hong Kongers display the same kind of dismay towards the mainland. It's racism, if even possible.
he pretend/mock to be elite as a white guy.
@@z76776 yup you got that right..he disagree without supporting facts...
Not just impolite, it shows what what is in his mind. I am right and you are wrong. We are not the same level. I am higher than you.
No wonder HK is in its current state, in particular, the youth has become a lost generation, they are taught by the so called professors like this one. How sad! Wake up, HK! Kick them all out before it's too late. Thank you, Eric, you've never disappointed us by your factual-based and passionate debate.
This guy's intellectual faculty has been marred by so many popular "liberal" biases that he'd be an insult to the title of "professor".
Black man is a robot.
Or an ignorant fool.
Well he can’t breath in 2020
Ignoring how impolite the black dude’s body language is, towards the end, at least I notice Eric bravely acknowledged China is not perfect and still need to improve; however the black dude seems only put their eyes on someone’s else issue and fail to admit themselves have huge issues too. If their attitudes represent their own countries, sorry, I have to predict China will continue to improve and USA will continue to talk down others and fail to correct themselves.
chuan li 真的是，傲慢比无知更可悲
Low iq Black dude became a prof due to diversity quotas vs merit 😂
Made it to 1/3 of the video, but it just hurts to see Keith while Eric is talking. He's just smiling condescendingly and doesn't seem to look to have a serious conversation at all.
Is Keith still hired by Hong Kong University lol ? How was he even hired in the first place ?
Han Dynasty I know right, he probably played the race card either that or Hong Kong standards are very low these days.
Eric lee never loses in his debates！ Because what he said was the real situation
The black professor talked so easy. Why he did not go to his forefather country and try to uplift his ancestor land standard not to modern day standard, but to Mao standard of literacy, immunization, and mortality rate. He said China could have achieved much more, with what method - follow the colonial power by enslaving the blacks from Africa? The arrogant displayed was so disgusting, and paid by HK taxpayers to belittle the motherland.
Surprised the professor lives in HK and so ignorant about China. He sounded like a fool.
He knew, he was just telling the people who wanted to hear his lies. We are living in 2020 and there are still so many people in Hong Kong thinking that they are living the 60s or just after WWII.
I guess that's why there is so much of those anti China activists in Hong kong
@@stokeallblack2579
CIA..... Uderstanding ?
Doesn't just sound like a fool. He is a FOOL!!!!
Eric is too modest. He should have laughed at Keith loudly.
If all American professors are like him, I'm relieved.
god, r u an alien?? have u been to China?
don't believe this kind of video,,, this kind video is being made by western country just for smearing China and Overthrow the Chinese government
thanks to the blk professor, the west still lives in the day dream.
They are worst in America
This professor is blind, he lived in China and didn't pick up anything? Probably he just went from apartment to school to apartment everyday. Did not try to see the country side or the rest of the country. My sister went to tour China twice with a gap of 3 years, and she was amazed at the difference. I don't know whether to get angry with this guy or marvel at his stupidity or blindness.
If the US did not lead the world to sanction and suppress China between 1949 and 1976, China would be quite different, and had even better achievements.
And also people hear of what they want to hear. At least I went to China numerous times , and talked to many, I definitely think people are quite satisfied of their governments for what they did for their people at least for the last few year. Especially after many of them had chances to experience western countries.
China needs to have people like this chinese gentleman doing interviews and counter debates, hes intelligent
Many people don’t realise this (myself included until recently), During Mao’s time there were Sanctions sanctions and more sanctions by the east and by the west. China was an poor war ravaged country. An absolute basket case without any help from any country.
As a journalist, Keith Richburg is not doing his job, proves no evidence and talks a lot on his own biased opinions,
Black men living in a suggestive lie !!
The black men sounds like white men.
I think he is the course of Michael Jackson 😂
Absolutely Bleached!!
Talk like a white man pretend to be a white citizen
@@robinwongg1638 lol
There’s an English adage- let the fools live in their own paradise. Eric Li is really superb n make the other one an obstinate arrogant n patronizing
Eric nailed it on the wall! Why use anecdotal evidence in high-level discussions, it just makes you look dim professor! Clearly, the professor is out of touch to what's happening in China, he just opened a can of worms about the access to the internet. A scholar with little understanding of governance.
Only a desperate man losing an intellectual discussion would start using anecdotal evidence to prove his point.
Weakness and ignorance are not obstacles to survival, but arrogance!
I saw a humble and wise man and an arrogant and unwise man.Likewise, a humble and wise country and an arrogant and unwise country.
Deng actually thought he was more of stalinist than Mao, this narrative that Deng just corrected China away from communism towards capitalism is false and a misunderstanding and over-simplification of Marxist theory.
Because if they admit that, they’d have to admit two things: 1. Market economy isn’t ideological affiliated, it can grow not only underneath liberal democracy, it can be used under and political system. 2. The narrative after Cold War, which this liberal democracy free economy package was based on is a lie.
all the conclusion that Mr. Richburg gave was based on some comments from his students, can you even call that a debate ?????
Mr. Keith Rishburg is not mentioning that 2 trillion in China currency reserves (dollar) makes financing US deficit and 200 bio labs in 25 countries and 800 military bases world wide...
While it's great that people from different part of the world is teaching at HKU, it's just sad that someone like Richburg is in charge of its Journalism program. He is either so arrogant and ignorant, or there is a certain agenda he needs to carry out. No kidding these poor HKU students are being brainwashed by such an unqualified individual! Eric, great job debating this tool!
As of the date of this video, a lot of what is said by keith already sounds comically outdated. While it is still true that people "go to Silicon Valley for innovation and creativity...", by no means is the U.S. the only major hub for innovation anymore. China has already been steadfastly transforming itself in becoming a major creator and innovator, a fact that only someone living under a rock would still be oblivious to. And just like almost any American news "report" written by the typical American journalistic ignoramus and self-deceiving mouth organ, keith doucheburg could not avoid admitting to the truth even as he bent over backwards in an attempt to downplay it by masking his admission within a lot of chaff in the form of more emphases on, and changing the topic to, less significant and more myopic anecdotal examples. When he admitted that "China's young people may feel that they are better off than their parents were...", that admission alone should have stopped his own argument, not only because it means that he already conceded to Eric X. Li's point about China's optimism, but also because that fact alone is extraordinary when compared to the reality in the U.S. and most other "Western" countries. What proportion of the young people in America feel that they are better off than their parents? If only keith's eyes weren't so blind and his brain so dead, he would have understood that most of his rant actually directly or indirectly bolsters Eric Li's points. Surely, as an "American journalist", you should not be ignorant to the overall situation in your own country while bitching about others, right, keith? Why do doucheburgs like you almost never focus on the far more severe problem at home in America and other Western societies, and almost always like to run your tongue on dirt elsewhere?
-kim jirk Apparently, since you can't even comprehend what I wrote to you, what's the point of replying to me? Additionally, as always, your comment contains absolutely no logic or sense whatsoever. Let's see, just like countries run by white people, Japan has been languishing and stagnating at the bottom of a cesspool of incompetence, incapable of dragging itself out of the shithole that it had dug for itself for a very long time. Therefore, that's the exact opposite of "owning up to the problem" that they created for themselves, because if they could "own up to the problem", then even if they were just a bunch of retards, they would have been able to climb out of their own shithole by now.
Likewise, thinking and acting like white people means, in this day and age, cowardly and passive-aggressively projecting their own insecurities, incompetence, mental and social diseases onto everyone else who's different from the Prozac-popping Western masses, who could only mentally masturbate to their government and media propaganda of "free society" and "free media" all while these societies of white people disintegrate into a cesspool of racial strife, rampant racist violence, mass shootings, schizophrenic paranoia, abysmal political incompetence, retarded leadership at every level, ossified political system incapable of reform, rotting social foundations, and skyrocketing phenomena of pandemic ignorance and dumbing down of the general populace to the point of being most often unable to even comprehend what they read or correctly interpret the intentions of one another. Look in the mirror for a case in point. If all of these, and more along the same lines, are examples of your "civilized Western approach", then nothing whatsoever could be logically defined as barbarism, retardation, and incompetence among all of the primate species.
That you constantly obsess over China's "orphanage" issue shows one of three possibility, or most likely two of the three, about yourself: (1) you were a female orphan there who had been discarded by your Chinese daddy, then underwent a sex change operation with a name change. (2) your mommy was such an orphan, hence the apparent obsessive-compulsive fixation and chip on your shoulder. (3) you're so desperate to grasp at straws in trying to find problems about China that the orphanage issue is the only one you can latch onto, all while an infinite number of far greater problems are plaguing your home country, the U.S., and other Western societies, as rampant racial conflict, mass violence, mass hysteria, mass paranoia, mass ignorance, mass incompetence, mass retardation, etc., etc., have all begun to send Western societies down the shitter.
In stark contrast, thankfully, China's keith doucheburgs have been shipped to shithole countries in the West to mix with increasing throngs of kindred white trash and losers like yourself. And of course, a dickless coward like yourself would speak glowingly about keith doucheburg and Japan, because both are symbols of subservient lackeys toeing the line that was set by their white masters long ago.
-kim jirk Obviously, you forgot to take your rabies meds again. In another thread you had called the Japanese failures. But now you're calling them "respectable", which means that you're obviously crying sour grapes while watching China succeed, in sharp contrast to the failing Westerners and Japanese who are worse than dog shit and being flushed down the shithole, deservingly so. Comprehend, Kimberly? Good girl. ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Western intellectuals must learn to be pragmatic people.This professor seems to speaking for the rights of the people, but the fact is he didn’t realise each country has its own law and circumstances.It is no point interfering in other ctries affairs.Every country has their own difficulty. You go and ask the US Federal govt to ban guns in US.See what type of response he gets. Btw, the Chinese could still watch videos from elsewhere , using VPN. That means the govt is not really forbidding its ppl to ‘ break’ the rules.It is just making them harder to get the kind of disruptive news they want.
Can’t believe he is a professor.
What kind of professor is this Richburg guy? After Li provided solid statistical evidence, the only thing he could say was "I disagree" --- and nothing more.
Why do citizens need government? Citizens believe that the government can strive for more living space and quality of life for citizens, which is why citizens need government. This has nothing to do with democracy or communism. When your government cannot create a better living space and quality of life for you, then the government should reform.
The share hubris of Keith is astounding. No wonder American Universities are failing.
That was a total mismatch!!!
Eric, steady as usual. 👍
The American guy did not admit to those own problems. Eric was really soft with his approach. I could have given the American a hard time on their welfare, disparity of rich n poor, health, n even universities student loans and the guns issues ... the list is endless.
Without Chinese and Indian working on silicon valley, it will be a death valley for you. You American take the credit for innovation from them. You are just a platform for us to perform in the worldstage, and without us you sre nothing.
Wow, he got Lee to publically say that the CCP should have a WOMAN in the central poli.
Chinese culture traditionally have the concept of the Middle Way. It is constantly adjusting its system to achieve this balance, while a western society always try to go for one extreme or the other, leaving a significant portion of the people unsatisfied. In the long term, on one side you have a stable society and, on the other, you have upheaval.
Eric li won every time he debated ✊✊✊✊
The American guy has a smug superiority complex. I hope he has lost it since the Trump years. He has difficulty seeing the great and it is a great achievement of lifting 700 million people out of poverty. Three reasons for this amazing success: Mao supplied an excellent education system and health system to produce a long living educated work force when China took on Capitalism with Chinese charachteristics and the traditional values of the Chinese people of hard work and acquisition of knowledge. Mao made some very bad choices but on balance the Chinese people revere him
Lol .. can we believe surveys and polls out of America??? Hello!!!! Trump ??? He was not suppose to win if the polls were right!!
I am confused, why the black guy cares so much about china? If he cares as much for africa, perhaps the world will be a better place.
Should have, could have aren’t solid evidence to support to disagreement. I don’t know what he was smiling for his disagreement.. smh
debating a NED is the same debate every time, eric is getting close to cracking their script but they have like a thousand script doctors
I am surprised a professional will speak based on anecdotal evidence.
If that is the case, then I see a lot more misery in US than in China.
A typical American Journalist, he would rather believe in one fellow student, but could not care where the general population were. This is a meaningless debates as the journalist (if you believe he is a journalist at all ) insisted on one individual, an hitting everything else on a random basis. Did he have any research report to show?
China allows so many of its citizens to study in USA , Australia,New Zealand etc. doesn't that signifies openness on China policy?
The American professor has been sleeping under a rock since 1984.
When a "debater" is always putting up a awkward smile and giggles from time to time, that means he is losing the debate, big time.
说到后三十年是纠正错误：世界上人口超过一亿的非西方国家里，哪个国家在过去60年取得了中国的成就？印度？印尼？巴西？智利？难道说只有中国做了正确的决定？
说到买房，香港够自由够民主够资本够发达了吧，年轻人买得到房子嘛？
of course the black american professor has to be "liberal" ! How can you expected him to be a "conservative" ?
Why don't you This black guy go fight for his black sister's and brother's basic needs and wellfare in the USA instead of criticising another nation where you technically and phisically not even live there? those poor black people are now been brutalised ferociously, can't you see, poor guy, he's still living in his wonderland arrogantly, sadly, he is not having a say when it comes to the benefits of the black!
Keith is so arrogance and biased. He only hear what they want to hear.
Minneapolis today explained. Like the old saying: YOU ARE WHAT YOU DO, NOT WHAT YOU SAY.
Is there a full version of this?
Erik smashed it.
Referring to the question of agus agus below. Debate Eric Li vs Jimmy Lai? No way! Jimmy Lai is just a political clown. He is far below Eric by any measure.
Man, Richburg needs to get his head out of the sand.... talking about ignorance.
Would like to see the full version of this discussion
It’s disheartening to watch an American try and belittle this man that is speaking facts that can be verified. It is an embarrassment considering how Americans are being treated by there owners. The corporations own the government. It is shameful how this is not a government for the people, of the people, by the people. New change needs to come- RFK 2024
No one or no system is perfect, as long as it works for its people n on the way of improvement
Disagree, and nothing forthcoming to support your points.
Your students as your sample size as a professor, where he got his qualification.
Now I know where fake news comes from. From Richburg.
When will the show of Eric Li vs Jimmy Lai (hkg democratic party) debate ??.
i'm wondering why nobody has done a democratic debate amongst politicians in HK. The mere fact you have politicians still trying to insist on the 5 demands like granting amnesty to all that have been arrested.... They are legco members, how do they not understand that this is against the rule or law? they're just barking dogs which make no sense. Why not have a public debate and it will be clear to the world what idiots they are!
Richburg seems did not do any research on the topic but insisted to interrupt arrogantly
HK U professor. maybe he is part of the protest
There is no clash of civilizations, only a clash of cognition. Understanding the internal logic of human society requires wisdom.
my students my friends VS facts, he sounds like some who believe black lives matter instead of all lives matter.
This blackman was so arrogance
Being arrogant and making fun on this type of topics will only make you like a clown.
something you worry, professor, that isn't case in China.
No wonder this guy leads the journalism and media studies center of the HKU. That speaks of the chaos of HY and strikes me again that you can't argue journalist with prejudice and universality. if you have to, state the stats/facts and let the witness and history judge. Lesson learned, thanks Eric
Is the moderator is Joe Tsai, the VP of Alibaba ?
India and China were about the same level in 1949 ( India may have been a bit better off). Now compare them in the 1978 and there is no comparison. So the first 30 years of China have advanced out of sight compared to its peers.Richburg's comment about his Chinese Student who were complaining about their access to buying a home where they would like! That's a first world problem. Most developing country students would be happy to get access to tertiary education, let alone a convenient housing. China is a developing country.
what is wrong with that black dude (not being racist here just I don't know is name). there is no discussion if he is holding the view that believe or anything else if fabrication, your data wrong, your analysis wrong; while he does not have any factual or statistics proof or analysis, he just has the conclusion that you have to believe otw you are wrong. with all due respect, it just smells as BS
The world doesn't need every country to be the United States. The American element is just one reference for building China.
It would be impossible for the black to come out n give credits to the Chinese government. May be he should speak more the rights n opportunities for the African Americans. Look at the percentage of black adults in incarceration in US..1000 people killed by cops.. like Eric said mildly is American govt n foreign policy should mind their own business and takes care of Americans.
Black prof on the left think he's being smug while acting like a clown.
Is there a full video of this session anywhere?
Can we get the actual full debate ???? You hide the rest of the discussion. Censoring it, seemingly. Post the entire discussion
A clash of civilisations? It's just a debate. Millions of middle schoolers in America do them weekly.
Arrogance and ignorance of "westerners" in this video are disturbing.
First step to assure China's Growth was to protect it's sovereignty and from remaining an occupied colony like Africa. China's people paid a tremendous price. But as Li Eric said Deng Xiao Ping turned the ship to a prosperous direction but slowly slowly things were getting better, and maybe at one point the vessel was speeding too fast. The tolerance towards corruption / but same time high speed development. The back of the hand needed to be controlled. Whether it was right method or not , we will not know. Xi Jinping just had to do something and he couldn't chose two methods same time. The goal had to be clear, But maybe at some points he went to far. But it is the constitution of China, and it's going to stay that way "Nobody wants to be forced to anything But most people want to be influenced" But from China's point of view you must see it from China's point of view . Unless I am mistaken in the timing, some severe restrictions were taken in, after the start of trade wars. The threats and mumbles started to rise on the horizon when accusations of unsorted characters mostly based on ignorance about the Chinese people about a mixture of old colonialist xenophobia , envies to the progress figures reported from China. The Forum as it is, will not solve conflicts unless you state a demand about "what figures have relevance" So we need increase information, knowledge, inside insight. (I made my attempt to contribute since 16 years)
For a HKU “professor”, he seems to have a lot to grind about China. Maybe just leave HK then?
Has collectivity been great with regards to the fed and public education system in the US?
That black dude sums up american knowleged
I am upset for the students of the blk professor.
Now we wait.......... until he gets back home and becomes a part of 'the' statistics.
Funny, in our industry(International logistics) for over 30 years I have never seen a black owner.
Arrogance is so evident in the body language of this black dude. He’s a fool to believe that there is no censorship in the US. With these low quality professors as faculty, no wonder HK higher education is in such a mess.
China is so behind at innovation
Kieth realized he messed up, then he did that face all the time.
The prof sounds a lot like Trump, "i talked to people and they tell me"...this was his evidence, so scientific lol. 🤣
he is a "professor". poor hong kong students.
Keith: So you think the Chinese need to take advice on education from the US? That's interesting.
America is always about self interest. America supremacy showing ...
@blk prof, try to look up Pew research survey about China.
very easy to judge now chinese people are suffering wanna to buy a big house or nice car but not for food anymore UNDERSTAND