I will assume this is obvious, but if someone wants to participate and share their numbers + build, then it's for 0 Golden Eggs. I just say that due to past experiences of people commenting runs that turned out to have xxxxxx amount of Golden Eggs invested, making a comparison pointless.
um das dauerleveln bissl hinauszuzögern kannst die game killer arcana nehmen. ich habs getestet: die erfahrungspunkte werden in projektile umgewandelt aber du levelst trotzdem durch das gold was du sammelst
Hey dex you won't believe it the spiffing Brit put your name in a video can't wait to see your subscriber count go up you deserve it I know I've given you s*** in the past to make you stop playing one game over and over again the mix of different games on your channel I love it
I think jubilee and hail from the future are hurting you more than helping you by tanking your frame rates. I am currently playing a sammy(no eggs) game because I love going 'head to head' against you to try different things and at 19 mins i am already sitting at 5.5 billion and over 9000 level. I started with moonlight and restarted until getting the arcana gnome. Bought the arcana from the shop selecting sapphire mist, killing the arcana gnome i get Disco of gold to survive the guardians and with the guardian chest I get wicked seasons. I pick up nearly everything else from the state except for the stage weapons so i can figure out where i am map wise to reduce the amount of items in the stage. Item priority I went was Tome>yellow scanner mini>dup ring>spinich>Tirajisu>armor>wings. Maxed out and waiting for min 1 up evolve life sign scanner before going for the guardian arcana box. Finished my run at 30:38 (reaper took his sweet time to connect) End stats are Gold:12,521,420,000 lvl:14,100 enemies defeated:787,426 Vicious hunger damage 1.4T dps 749.9M
I think Sammy is better for gold farming because he levels up more than trouser. If you get eggs on trouser then only the growth boost affects his levels but Sammy levels up with gold too, and the greed stat affects the experience so it gets multiplied twice. Then you get more levels and more gold, so you can buy a lot more golden eggs which makes you level up even faster
the level ups on their own dont really matter, Trouser gains 2% gold per lvl up but both max out level up speed. The bonus from Vicious Hunger matters though
Sammy + Disco of Gold with the new healing=damage arcana is also awesome. Especially when you turn off limitbreak and just get chicken and gold every level up, which also heals you. (weapons are fireworks and scanner). Not as big on gold, but a lagfree variant as there is no limitbreak causing issues on sammy
I used your first video on this guy to earn my gold for the rest of my play through of vampire survivors and it was insane then, this is just mind blowing.
17:20 On this note, one thing that does bypass the level up queue is talking to the merchant. So in Inverse Endless (ideally in Hurry mode and a 15 minute level) so even once you hit infinite levels you can still get all the arcana you want, with enough patience and processing power for your computer to not crash the game.
The biggest thing which makes sammy go fully nuts with wicked season is due to how the conversion works. Its works like gold * greed * growth Meaning every levelup you get 1.05*1.05 extra xp. This expontial scaling makes your xp growth from gold scale faster then the xp you need per level. (After lvl 65000 youll need less gold for each level up) This also means wicked season improves you gold to xp is doubled 50% of the time
This with the arcana that does dmg, depending on the amount youve healed, would be interresting. Also an idea for a Darcasso would be where it gives you a random bonus stat every level up for the passives you have.(Maybe a stat bonus for all of them, even tho that would be completly insane)
I did something similar to this with Queen Sigma using the disco of gold, divine bloodeline, wicked season, and mad groove, and seranade of healing arcanas. I had soul eater, paranormal scan, muramasa, festive winds, and greatest jubilee. I unfortunately lost a vast amount of kills/gold after limit breaking to a high enought level because of festive winds, it knockbacked enemies so often and far it messed with how/where new enemies spawn. After reaching 30 minutes, It caused so much knockback to the reapers that I gave up trying to win once I hit 65 minutes with about 1.2 B gold. They couldn't get close enough to damage me, but festive winds knocked them outside my attack range far more often than the were in.
You could turn the new Jet Black arcana into a crazy nuke fitting it and Gold Fever into this build just from the sheer healing amount, probably. BUT it's Sammy and Sammy with Gold Fever almost crashed my game within like 30sec on my old PC.
@12:35 Do you even need to "kill" enemies? I thought Vicious Hunger had a Luck based % chance to just instantly turn an enemy into Gold, like an instant death effect. I should actually check the Wiki there. And after reading the Wiki I am now even more confused.
Vicious Hunger has multiple effects. First, it can transmute KILLED enemies into gold coins, and the chance of that is based on the base chance multiplied by Luck, but it requires to actually kill them. That's why limit break turned out to be way better for farming gold compared to level up gold (which is how it was done first), also because lag was a big issue. Forget the explanation about RNG and chances, this is only needed if you fully want to understand it. It's pretty much "the more chickens Gatti ate before evolving, the higher the odds of converting a killed enemy into a gold coin". But what matters to us is: the higher our luck, the higher the chance. The second thing it can do is pick up any gold related item, and transform any non-gold related item into a gold coin. This has a chance to happen or to destroy the item. Some can't be transformed and will remain on the floor. This is a set 75% unaffected by luck. So every item dropped can turn into a gold coin, but that doesn't make sense if you can just seal them to always get AT LEAST a gold coin guaranteed - in other words, you can forget about this part since you can force the best outcome. The one thing it does matter for is that it turns XP gems into gold coins at a 75% rate.
A minute in and already 6 million gold is crazy Questions for you Dex: 1. Have you tried Cosmo Pavone with Prism Lass? There's some crazy synergy with the new Darkanas there! 2. How important is Paranormal Scan to these runs? Thank you!
If you wanted, you could have turned on Hurry mode because you can always collect the arcana from the shopkeeper, then do endless to get it multiple times. You can get all arcanas you want
Would be nice if there was a checkbox to limit movement speed to 100% or something. And yeah, some kind of performance mode that improves lag at the cost of something else. Or allow more CPU threads to be utilized.
It's just 50% Greed, it's not horrible but killing enemies with Vicious Hunger is more important. There is a case where Greed could kickstart faster, but I don't believe it performs better. Keep in mind it's just 50%
I wonder if it would be more optimal to go to the void early on to catch up the levels? Or even if it doesn't catch up, just getting up thousands of them would go like 10x faster without all the lag
I thought about that but the problem is even in the void you still face a ton of lag. A calculation would need to be made if the bonus Greed growth from faster level ups makes up for the loss in gold in that period. But it's not that much, though it could be impactful.
don't the fingers have like a "charm" affect making more enemies spawn temporarily? At least it seems that way for me, and if so, maybe having the fingers is more beneficial than if they were just gilded clovers/moneybags! Although I'm not even sure if a charm effect does anything at this level of wacky :-P
You can get more gold by turning off Limit Break. You don't need to kill anything at all actually. The level-up Gold bag is enough to trigger a level up. So you end up in an infinite level loop that generates infinitely scaling gold. Because you don't need to kill anything, nor spawn any items, and aren't retriggering your weapon, or scaling your stats with lifesign scan, the framerate is much higher, so you level faster. You can cap out like that. Basically; Sammy, weapons don't really matter, but Jubilee, Laurel are fine. Wicked Season, Disco of Gold, and Sarabane of Healing (Honestly only wicked season is needed). Nothing really matters since the level-up gold is enough to trigger the level loop. I play on PC. And this isn't really "new" or anything.
It's been known for a long time that limit break earns way more gold than none-limit break. The level up gold is simply too low to make a significant impact in comparison - and I say that as someone who used to do it exactly that way, via level up gold, until I got proven wrong and switched over myself. I'm currently doing a run where I didnt go all out - what is best in my opinion with the mentioned setup - but more than what you said (e.g. Silent Old Sanctuary would've been possible to kill more). The main issue was that just Vicious Hunger was too slow to level up frequently enough. For the same reason I decided to go for Greatest Jubilee to help with Gold Fever triggers, since before that it only happened super rarely (only with a gold bag drop from a random breakable). At 5 minutes: i.imgur.com/myxR6yF.png the gold is at 5 million, in the video here its at 135 million At 10 minutes: i.imgur.com/GbDgvtX.png the gold is at 15 million, in the video here its around 700 million At this point we can already note that the proposed method only tripled it's gold, while the one in the video is over 5x, which indicates a way better scaling, but that doesn't fully determine whether it will stay like that or not given that the method I used was "held back" for a while so its natural it catapults up once finished. At 15 minutes: i.imgur.com/ajY3YV2.png the gold ist at 26 million, in the video its around 1.4 billion I'm gonna cut it off here because the performance is way worse than what I used to have when Sammy came out, th-cam.com/video/L7laPJrwUrM/w-d-xo.htmlsi=_uf2WbzYX2ds_rCq&t=928 in this video at 15 minutes I had 118 million - and since both ways use the same method. The main change is the map, but if the best map (there are 2 main ones that people switch between when they max out golden eggs and the one I played on turned out to be one of the 2) can't even beat what's in the video on a worse map, then the method is worse.
If you came up with your own way - even if its similar or the same - and got 1.6b in 30 minutes, thats highly respectable. My first Sammy run got me "only" 380m, so a lot less than that. I've been very active in this game with over 1.6k hours and I have been highly involved in gold farming/gold farm strategies, so getting a similar outcome on your own is very respectable. Dont play that down :)
I've gotten too much gold (it was overlapping the kills) in 1 run no eggs on trouser with every arcana and darkana in 20 minutes weapons were gorgeous moon and laurel I was on mobile on space 54 the key was gold fingers and gold fever
First of all, this number is ridiculous But i swear, i was just looking for a money farming build. All though i can't do this for i don't have the dlcs
There are several immortal characters that take 225K to open each and then there's some buffs that you open that go up to 100K to open. It's just nice to have a lot as you play and .. eggs.
I will assume this is obvious, but if someone wants to participate and share their numbers + build, then it's for 0 Golden Eggs. I just say that due to past experiences of people commenting runs that turned out to have xxxxxx amount of Golden Eggs invested, making a comparison pointless.
um das dauerleveln bissl hinauszuzögern kannst die game killer arcana nehmen. ich habs getestet: die erfahrungspunkte werden in projektile umgewandelt aber du levelst trotzdem durch das gold was du sammelst
What map do you use for stuff like this?
@@Nugget_326generally abyss foscari
Hey dex you won't believe it the spiffing Brit put your name in a video can't wait to see your subscriber count go up you deserve it I know I've given you s*** in the past to make you stop playing one game over and over again the mix of different games on your channel I love it
I think jubilee and hail from the future are hurting you more than helping you by tanking your frame rates. I am currently playing a sammy(no eggs) game because I love going 'head to head' against you to try different things and at 19 mins i am already sitting at 5.5 billion and over 9000 level. I started with moonlight and restarted until getting the arcana gnome. Bought the arcana from the shop selecting sapphire mist, killing the arcana gnome i get Disco of gold to survive the guardians and with the guardian chest I get wicked seasons. I pick up nearly everything else from the state except for the stage weapons so i can figure out where i am map wise to reduce the amount of items in the stage.
Item priority I went was Tome>yellow scanner mini>dup ring>spinich>Tirajisu>armor>wings. Maxed out and waiting for min 1 up evolve life sign scanner before going for the guardian arcana box.
Finished my run at 30:38 (reaper took his sweet time to connect) End stats are
Gold:12,521,420,000
lvl:14,100
enemies defeated:787,426
Vicious hunger damage 1.4T dps 749.9M
It would be so interesting to see how these runs would look if movement speed gain could be modded out of Lifesign Scan.
Spiff just gave you a shout on his channel!!! Hell yeah brother!!
Link pls?
@@JeanMarceaux thespiffingbrit latest video
@@crowdsurfpp2192 oh, that spiff. I thought you meant AstralSpiff.
@@JeanMarceaux my bad. Definitely meant the real Spiff, Reanu Keeves type!
I did this for about 5 minutes just to test and it was insane. Glad I got to see you do it too.
If only vampire survivors scaled with multiple GPUs
You can't level up... more than you level up. - Dex 2024
I think Sammy is better for gold farming because he levels up more than trouser. If you get eggs on trouser then only the growth boost affects his levels but Sammy levels up with gold too, and the greed stat affects the experience so it gets multiplied twice. Then you get more levels and more gold, so you can buy a lot more golden eggs which makes you level up even faster
the level ups on their own dont really matter, Trouser gains 2% gold per lvl up but both max out level up speed. The bonus from Vicious Hunger matters though
Sammy is far better it's not even a contest. Assuming you can run limit break on without bricking your device.
So this is what LSD looks like..
Sammy + Disco of Gold with the new healing=damage arcana is also awesome. Especially when you turn off limitbreak and just get chicken and gold every level up, which also heals you. (weapons are fireworks and scanner).
Not as big on gold, but a lagfree variant as there is no limitbreak causing issues on sammy
ME: Makes 20 mio gold in roughly 3.5hrs
Dex: Makes 20 mio gold in 2 minutes
I used your first video on this guy to earn my gold for the rest of my play through of vampire survivors and it was insane then, this is just mind blowing.
17:20 On this note, one thing that does bypass the level up queue is talking to the merchant. So in Inverse Endless (ideally in Hurry mode and a 15 minute level) so even once you hit infinite levels you can still get all the arcana you want, with enough patience and processing power for your computer to not crash the game.
The biggest thing which makes sammy go fully nuts with wicked season is due to how the conversion works.
Its works like gold * greed * growth
Meaning every levelup you get 1.05*1.05 extra xp.
This expontial scaling makes your xp growth from gold scale faster then the xp you need per level.
(After lvl 65000 youll need less gold for each level up)
This also means wicked season improves you gold to xp is doubled 50% of the time
It's a shame to not see the map and the items come flying in, instead of looking at what seemed to be a static
This with the arcana that does dmg, depending on the amount youve healed, would be interresting. Also an idea for a Darcasso would be where it gives you a random bonus stat every level up for the passives you have.(Maybe a stat bonus for all of them, even tho that would be completly insane)
I did something similar to this with Queen Sigma using the disco of gold, divine bloodeline, wicked season, and mad groove, and seranade of healing arcanas. I had soul eater, paranormal scan, muramasa, festive winds, and greatest jubilee. I unfortunately lost a vast amount of kills/gold after limit breaking to a high enought level because of festive winds, it knockbacked enemies so often and far it messed with how/where new enemies spawn. After reaching 30 minutes, It caused so much knockback to the reapers that I gave up trying to win once I hit 65 minutes with about 1.2 B gold. They couldn't get close enough to damage me, but festive winds knocked them outside my attack range far more often than the were in.
WE LOVE VAMPIRE SURVIVORS!!!
You could turn the new Jet Black arcana into a crazy nuke fitting it and Gold Fever into this build just from the sheer healing amount, probably.
BUT it's Sammy and Sammy with Gold Fever almost crashed my game within like 30sec on my old PC.
7:07 2,147484E+09 Golden eggs is actually insane !!!
There’s a spot where you can egg farm on this map and just get tons and tons of them
@@iamsushi1056Just farming gold and buying them is way more efficient, especially if you alteady have an egged Trouser or Sammie.
@12:35 Do you even need to "kill" enemies? I thought Vicious Hunger had a Luck based % chance to just instantly turn an enemy into Gold, like an instant death effect.
I should actually check the Wiki there.
And after reading the Wiki I am now even more confused.
Vicious Hunger has multiple effects.
First, it can transmute KILLED enemies into gold coins, and the chance of that is based on the base chance multiplied by Luck, but it requires to actually kill them. That's why limit break turned out to be way better for farming gold compared to level up gold (which is how it was done first), also because lag was a big issue. Forget the explanation about RNG and chances, this is only needed if you fully want to understand it. It's pretty much "the more chickens Gatti ate before evolving, the higher the odds of converting a killed enemy into a gold coin". But what matters to us is: the higher our luck, the higher the chance.
The second thing it can do is pick up any gold related item, and transform any non-gold related item into a gold coin. This has a chance to happen or to destroy the item. Some can't be transformed and will remain on the floor. This is a set 75% unaffected by luck. So every item dropped can turn into a gold coin, but that doesn't make sense if you can just seal them to always get AT LEAST a gold coin guaranteed - in other words, you can forget about this part since you can force the best outcome. The one thing it does matter for is that it turns XP gems into gold coins at a 75% rate.
Jo, always great videos, sehr gute Qualität. Did you ever do a most damage/kills run with golden eggs? Like how far can you push non modded?
I have no idea what is going on but it looks spectacular
Glad I saw the thumbnail after unlocking a character costing 3K to play...
One session was enough
XD
sammy best boi
And here I thought Queen Ligma in the bone zone was the best strat
Sammy with these Arcana Darkana gets you huge Cosmic Finger. It's great for a laugh.
A minute in and already 6 million gold is crazy
Questions for you Dex:
1. Have you tried Cosmo Pavone with Prism Lass? There's some crazy synergy with the new Darkanas there!
2. How important is Paranormal Scan to these runs?
Thank you!
@@maniacparty637 at 0 eggs paranormal scan is kind off required for these challenges
Happy birthday to you.
If you wanted, you could have turned on Hurry mode because you can always collect the arcana from the shopkeeper, then do endless to get it multiple times. You can get all arcanas you want
I am pretty but not 100% sure that you cant interact with the shopkeeper if you still level up - but the point is a comparison for 30 minutes
@@DexTag surprisingly, you can. I tried to pull off a similar run myself. It worked for me
Would be nice if there was a checkbox to limit movement speed to 100% or something. And yeah, some kind of performance mode that improves lag at the cost of something else. Or allow more CPU threads to be utilized.
what are your computer specs dex?
does turning off the golden clover stop them from dropping from the darkana?
Suggest: Do a max attack speed run in bounty of one
2:42 so the Gold Fever numbers cover the screen at 1.5 million
Okay
XD
I tried this on Xbox but had to turn off limit break because limit breaking Gati Amari generates an insane amount of lag.
Will you be trying megaloot
Wait what how do you have 100+ levels before the first minute?
Why didn't you get Stone mask?
It's just 50% Greed, it's not horrible but killing enemies with Vicious Hunger is more important. There is a case where Greed could kickstart faster, but I don't believe it performs better. Keep in mind it's just 50%
I wonder if it would be more optimal to go to the void early on to catch up the levels? Or even if it doesn't catch up, just getting up thousands of them would go like 10x faster without all the lag
I thought about that but the problem is even in the void you still face a ton of lag. A calculation would need to be made if the bonus Greed growth from faster level ups makes up for the loss in gold in that period. But it's not that much, though it could be impactful.
don't the fingers have like a "charm" affect making more enemies spawn temporarily? At least it seems that way for me, and if so, maybe having the fingers is more beneficial than if they were just gilded clovers/moneybags! Although I'm not even sure if a charm effect does anything at this level of wacky :-P
Whats the arcana?
Ich komme nicht mal zum evolven vom Scanner oder zum sammeln vom Ring und Pfeil. 😅
Spiele es auf dem Handy aber es sollte dort auch klappen
Playing as Sammy makes my game crash. It's really, really hard to actually finish a run.
You can get more gold by turning off Limit Break.
You don't need to kill anything at all actually. The level-up Gold bag is enough to trigger a level up. So you end up in an infinite level loop that generates infinitely scaling gold. Because you don't need to kill anything, nor spawn any items, and aren't retriggering your weapon, or scaling your stats with lifesign scan, the framerate is much higher, so you level faster.
You can cap out like that.
Basically; Sammy, weapons don't really matter, but Jubilee, Laurel are fine. Wicked Season, Disco of Gold, and Sarabane of Healing (Honestly only wicked season is needed). Nothing really matters since the level-up gold is enough to trigger the level loop.
I play on PC. And this isn't really "new" or anything.
It's been known for a long time that limit break earns way more gold than none-limit break. The level up gold is simply too low to make a significant impact in comparison - and I say that as someone who used to do it exactly that way, via level up gold, until I got proven wrong and switched over myself.
I'm currently doing a run where I didnt go all out - what is best in my opinion with the mentioned setup - but more than what you said (e.g. Silent Old Sanctuary would've been possible to kill more). The main issue was that just Vicious Hunger was too slow to level up frequently enough. For the same reason I decided to go for Greatest Jubilee to help with Gold Fever triggers, since before that it only happened super rarely (only with a gold bag drop from a random breakable).
At 5 minutes: i.imgur.com/myxR6yF.png the gold is at 5 million, in the video here its at 135 million
At 10 minutes: i.imgur.com/GbDgvtX.png the gold is at 15 million, in the video here its around 700 million
At this point we can already note that the proposed method only tripled it's gold, while the one in the video is over 5x, which indicates a way better scaling, but that doesn't fully determine whether it will stay like that or not given that the method I used was "held back" for a while so its natural it catapults up once finished.
At 15 minutes: i.imgur.com/ajY3YV2.png the gold ist at 26 million, in the video its around 1.4 billion
I'm gonna cut it off here because the performance is way worse than what I used to have when Sammy came out, th-cam.com/video/L7laPJrwUrM/w-d-xo.htmlsi=_uf2WbzYX2ds_rCq&t=928 in this video at 15 minutes I had 118 million - and since both ways use the same method.
The main change is the map, but if the best map (there are 2 main ones that people switch between when they max out golden eggs and the one I played on turned out to be one of the 2) can't even beat what's in the video on a worse map, then the method is worse.
Day 20 of asking you to play "Wall World"
I finally got all the dlc and ran out of gold. Been farming and in 30 minutes, I would get around 1.6b but clearly I wasn't doing it good enough lol
If you came up with your own way - even if its similar or the same - and got 1.6b in 30 minutes, thats highly respectable. My first Sammy run got me "only" 380m, so a lot less than that. I've been very active in this game with over 1.6k hours and I have been highly involved in gold farming/gold farm strategies, so getting a similar outcome on your own is very respectable. Dont play that down :)
I've gotten too much gold (it was overlapping the kills) in 1 run no eggs on trouser with every arcana and darkana in 20 minutes weapons were gorgeous moon and laurel I was on mobile on space 54 the key was gold fingers and gold fever
I lost the video due to that phone being ran over but it was about a week ago that I did that
Yea you probably played with Hail from the Future when it came out and was broken, it would give so much random gold that the gold counter maxed out
Only 6,279,342,000 gold? Pshh... weak. I got 8,401,578,000 with bat robbert on complete accident while trying to get his darkasso.
First of all, this number is ridiculous
But i swear, i was just looking for a money farming build.
All though i can't do this for i don't have the dlcs
Co-op vid when
lets see it with some eggs on top hm?
What good is the gold tho?
There are several immortal characters that take 225K to open each and then there's some buffs that you open that go up to 100K to open. It's just nice to have a lot as you play and .. eggs.
You can use the gold in the character select screen to unlock Sammy the Ca- oh wait.
You can sen it to Poncle and they'll mail garlic to you all the way from Italy.
You could afk feed golden eggs to a character of your choice for 24 hours I guess 🤡
cats > blue balls
Traz Halls of torment mas gameplay
wait is this modded?
It uses a mod for the kill counter, but thats it
@@DexTag ok
all of those tens of thousands of eggs farmed previously without sammy or these other methods. just bone zone and death, maybe trouser. rats