The still image you used in this video of ALB making the tackle from which he was yellow carded shows how much knee bend there was to get low and the angle of his torso being around 45 degrees would suggest that he wasn't upright in the tackle. The referee had already stated in this game that head on head contact is not always foul play, and this is an example of that.
Hi Nigel, I've always wondered, if a player gets a yellow card for foul play and leaves the field then the TMO comes in with a knock on by the opposition predating the foul play does that yellow get recinded and the player allowed to come back on?
Is there someone watching the shot clock to police it? I watched a match not long ago where the kicker from one side went over the time for each kick, but nothing whatsoever was done?
imho opinion, the 20 minute red card is to deal with the symptoms of some Laws not quite matching the dynamism of the modern game. I think the Laws have left players exposed to cards not for their actions, but for their inability to react in time, e.g. if you have a Garryowen coming down right on top of you, your eye line is in the sky watching the ball. Then an opposing player leaps high and clatters into you. You won't see them until too late, and if they fall awkwardly you receive a yellow card. Because you failed to react in time. The Laws need to start targeting the player who acted, in this example leaping into a situation where an opponent has to catch you and safely bring you to ground would result in a card against the leaper. Would have loved it if Nigel had discussed Maro Itoje's apparent deliberate killing of the ball in a ruck directly in front of the posts. What thought processes do referees go through when a team hasn't been penalized for a while then perform a cynical action.
Don't like the 20-minute red card at all. The few times I've seen it in games so far, the team should have been down to 14 players for the rest of the match for sure. It seemed like a light slap on the wrist for quite serious offences.
Why a card that ruined a game. You punished a team and a player specially with the red card. The red card is a double punishment because he will suspend fot 2 till 3 games after find guilty. The 15 guy team will always have an advantage over 14 or less players team. Some of the red card punishments is ridiculous. Punish the guilty party not the team.
It won't take long before someone finds a way to beat the 20-minute red card rule. Perhaps by putting a less capable/experienced player in for the first 20 minutes before they commit a foul and get a red card and then for the second half bring on a more capable/experienced player. I think red should mean the loss of a player for the remainder of the game.
@@JohnTerblanche-l1r The data is pretty cut and dry; losing a man for ten minutes costs you points and fatigue. Losing a man for 20 minutes basically means you start at least a converted try down, of not more. Stupid to think teams would willingly do that to gain the advantage lol
@@neiloflongbeck5705 Not sure this is quite the same category haha Unless you're suggesting the loophole to having 14 men is sneaking one back one while the ref isn't looking...
Not for two yellows but the head contact had no mitigation (according to little old neutral me) so that should be upgraded by the bunker. I don't know if it was or not and I can't find anything on the outcome so I may be speaking prematurely here. Also, Caleb Clarke should definitely have been yellow carded for that given the cynical nature of the move and the fact that the team had been on a warning since the 30th minute already.
@@Karma-qt4jiyes agreed, itoje and earls should have both been carded as well. Itoje for a cynical hand in the ruck on the try line and ben earls for a dangerous leg breaking no arms tackle. Such is rugby though....who would want to be a ref.
20min RC is a nonsense. Bunker is ridiculous. Ref is in charge of the game, nobody else. TMO is an assistant. 30s to get scrum & lineout formed, didn't say no wibbly-wobbly moving around in the lineout, did it?. Nobody mentioned ball coming in time....... Rule is (and it is a penalty according to the big red book), front rows engage, ball goes in straight and there is a contest. It is really easy to refereee. The scrum rule has been ignored for too long, it cannot be rescued - our sport ruined
wow.. great to hear Nigel actually stating that a decision was wrong and not just sitting on the fence
The still image you used in this video of ALB making the tackle from which he was yellow carded shows how much knee bend there was to get low and the angle of his torso being around 45 degrees would suggest that he wasn't upright in the tackle. The referee had already stated in this game that head on head contact is not always foul play, and this is an example of that.
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Hi Nigel, I've always wondered, if a player gets a yellow card for foul play and leaves the field then the TMO comes in with a knock on by the opposition predating the foul play does that yellow get recinded and the player allowed to come back on?
This is so awesome! Love it!
How in the world can you say that ALB was in an upright position. He clearly was crouched and low.
Always leave a gate the way you found it, Nigel, closed or open.
Is there someone watching the shot clock to police it? I watched a match not long ago where the kicker from one side went over the time for each kick, but nothing whatsoever was done?
imho opinion, the 20 minute red card is to deal with the symptoms of some Laws not quite matching the dynamism of the modern game. I think the Laws have left players exposed to cards not for their actions, but for their inability to react in time, e.g. if you have a Garryowen coming down right on top of you, your eye line is in the sky watching the ball. Then an opposing player leaps high and clatters into you. You won't see them until too late, and if they fall awkwardly you receive a yellow card. Because you failed to react in time. The Laws need to start targeting the player who acted, in this example leaping into a situation where an opponent has to catch you and safely bring you to ground would result in a card against the leaper.
Would have loved it if Nigel had discussed Maro Itoje's apparent deliberate killing of the ball in a ruck directly in front of the posts. What thought processes do referees go through when a team hasn't been penalized for a while then perform a cynical action.
Does world rugby know that it has access to its own footage?
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Don't like the 20-minute red card at all. The few times I've seen it in games so far, the team should have been down to 14 players for the rest of the match for sure. It seemed like a light slap on the wrist for quite serious offences.
Why a card that ruined a game. You punished a team and a player specially with the red card. The red card is a double punishment because he will suspend fot 2 till 3 games after find guilty. The 15 guy team will always have an advantage over 14 or less players team. Some of the red card punishments is ridiculous. Punish the guilty party not the team.
It won't take long before someone finds a way to beat the 20-minute red card rule. Perhaps by putting a less capable/experienced player in for the first 20 minutes before they commit a foul and get a red card and then for the second half bring on a more capable/experienced player. I think red should mean the loss of a player for the remainder of the game.
Good luck playing with max 14 men for the first 20 minutes. In an international game of fine margins, that would be a death-blow.
@@toma411not necessarily because the players raise the standard, but with running rugby being more common I would lean toward your statement
@@JohnTerblanche-l1r The data is pretty cut and dry; losing a man for ten minutes costs you points and fatigue. Losing a man for 20 minutes basically means you start at least a converted try down, of not more. Stupid to think teams would willingly do that to gain the advantage lol
@toma411 the laws on kicks had to be changed after a player found the loop hole. So anything is possible.
@@neiloflongbeck5705 Not sure this is quite the same category haha
Unless you're suggesting the loophole to having 14 men is sneaking one back one while the ref isn't looking...
I disagree twenty minutes red card, because It Is not dissuasive against not disciplinated players.
haven't watched the video - but the answer is NO. Ridiculous card with both players low.
Hi
Yes he should have had a red
Not for two yellows but the head contact had no mitigation (according to little old neutral me) so that should be upgraded by the bunker. I don't know if it was or not and I can't find anything on the outcome so I may be speaking prematurely here.
Also, Caleb Clarke should definitely have been yellow carded for that given the cynical nature of the move and the fact that the team had been on a warning since the 30th minute already.
@@Karma-qt4jiyes agreed, itoje and earls should have both been carded as well. Itoje for a cynical hand in the ruck on the try line and ben earls for a dangerous leg breaking no arms tackle. Such is rugby though....who would want to be a ref.
20min RC is a nonsense. Bunker is ridiculous. Ref is in charge of the game, nobody else. TMO is an assistant. 30s to get scrum & lineout formed, didn't say no wibbly-wobbly moving around in the lineout, did it?. Nobody mentioned ball coming in time....... Rule is (and it is a penalty according to the big red book), front rows engage, ball goes in straight and there is a contest. It is really easy to refereee. The scrum rule has been ignored for too long, it cannot be rescued - our sport ruined