CS:GO vs VALORANT
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 มี.ค. 2023
- Is CS:GO just for Counter-Strike boomers? Is Valorant just for Zoomers?
Do these games maybe even have something in common?
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CS should have never had sex with Overwatch that night... Now they have to deal with the son
Can’t blame CS for not being able to resist Sombra
lolllll
Looooooool 😂.Should have used that Kevlar. No protection and now peeps have to deal with this
Overwatch is the Valorant of tf2
lmao
A fair and balanced comparison. Thank you.
I mean he clearly makes condescending remarks about valorant throughout the video but yeah it's better than the million other comparison videos that say one is good and the other sucks.
@@LouSipher Bro this is clearly the most unbiased report ever, he points out cons and pros of both games.
He forgot to mention the cheater problem in CS:GO that makes it unplayable.
@@LouSipher Every "Condescending remark" he makes about valorant is completely valid though
@@JackoBanon1 Except that there aren't that many if you just get prime? I mean idk about U.S. servers but thats how it is in europe.
Valorant is a tough one for me. Solid FPS game but ALL THE DAMN ABILITIES to take into consideration when playing, the swish and swoosh and all the ways to get blinded. Also, I dont like the WH abilities. Cs isnt anything super fancy but damn if it isnt a really good, fairly balanced game. Love the feel and movments of the game
That's what makes it more fun for me, you can change so much by using abilities in different ways to where each round can fell drastically different.
For me the existence of abilities was the reason why I checked the game out. Just the thought of being able to fling around fireballs or fly through the air sounded enjoyable. I resonate with the characters and Lore which is the biggest reason why I like playing it
The gunplay in val feels better than cs coming from someone who has spent a long while playing both games. I just hate that valorant has rng.
I play Valorant exclusively now but I will never get over the over abundance of line up mollies preventing you from defusing , while the enemy is literally 3 walls away and unreachable. And you HAVE to wait the util out, unlike in CS where everyone can carry a smoke. In valo it just wastes so much of the bomb timer and you can just stand around and wait for multiple 6-7 second mollies to end.
@@lancevance6346 I usually push if it's a viper breeze or something. Some rounds and valorant can be pretty unwinnable tho due to the abilities imo, but I'm okay with that
as someone mainly intrested in valorant, this was a refreshingly great video. I agree with all the stated opinions. Another thing to account for in for example an esport is the amount of stuff happening on screen in comparison to cs. Valorant might at one point run into the problem that the games become to hard to follow, with the cause being to many abilities that have a large vfx effect attached to them. This is also a reason why i do enjoy watching csgo matches a bit more cause they are (in comparison) much easier to follow
Val is almost if not already in a point of visual contamination that makes it unfun or odd to tackle with precise gunplay. Hell even Overwatch went full melee when it happened there too and they had to drastically tone it down. Smoke is enough VFX for this kind of gameplay.
@@kenim yeah its slowly creeping in, i think overwatch is still worse in that aspect, but with for example the agent harbour, there are alot of areas on the screen covered by the vfx of his abillities :D
there is no way anyone is watching competetive valo and not wanna puke
Which is hilarious because one of the things they marketed valo for was how easy it was to get into competitive and how easy it was to follow tournament games.
@@don2234 FR, I am quite seasoned in games and I simply cannot appreciate Valorant Highlights. Its just a mess over another mess. CSGO and League of Legends (mostly) are crispy clear and are quite easy for anyone to appreciate.
Enjoyed Valorant a lot initially, but eventually went back to CSGO. Why? Mainly because of the Sentinels' traps and information gathering tools. I don't like these legal wallhacks as a Lurker/Flanker :D Also the more Agents are being added, the more Valorant becomes like a MOBA, where you need to be aware of 1000s of different tricks to be able to outplay people. Too time consuming for my age.
"I am too old for that sh*t!"
Thanks for the info. I used to play dota a lot and abandoned it in the end just because of this: devs adding new heroes/items non-stop thinking it makes the game better. It seems valorant is going on the same path.
I am also too old for that shit
@@kytv9000 Considering LoL has more characters than Dota and it's also made by Riot, it's fair to assume Valorant is gonna be a shitshow eventually.
in LoL the champions are in essence very similar to each other. there are different SFX, but overall you have similar things you do and similar effects. but in valorant, they are quite different. which could be the issue.
Valorant kinda feels random sometimes.
Yes it has no recoil control no registry
I mean CS still has a lot of randomness
I honestly like the chaos sometimes
KINDA? KINDA? KINDA? As much as I love the game, Its a PIECE OF TRASH SHIT OF A FPS GAME. Bullets are flying EVERYWHERE, and dont hit where you point, even if you are standing still. The randomness in the projectory og bullets is LAUGHABLE.
Ye its so random valorant its not competitive just for fun
I think in cs as everyone has the same tool kit rounds can play out dynamically. You entry fragged to gain space and survived on 1hp? Team mates can drop you awp and flashes and now you can throw the supporting utility. That’s a role change in like 10 seconds. In valorant I don’t think this is as possible with all the set roles and playstyles. Some agents will be better at entry and some better at holding flank, etc.
You could technically do the same in Valorant, if you dont have a healer or the healer died. But it's mostly unnecessary, because even with 1hp, you can get easily kills if you position yourself correctly and use your abilitis right.
I kinda agree, although I played lot of agents and had the same playstyle. I haven't feel restricted, because I just brute forced it with aim.
nice to see a nuanced take for once. Very good explanation of some of the pitfalls of each, although you didn't mention the cheating problem in CS, and lack thereof for Valorant. On the subject of map queues in Val, I'd say that the big problem with adding a map queue would be that certain agents are notoriously map-dependent. A great example is Viper, who is mandatory for Icebox and Breeze but irrelevant everywhere else. Similar to what happens in CS, people would just queue the maps their main is good on and never have to learn another agent or branch out and get better.
I think the cheater issue is incredibly overblown in CS. It happens, but even with just prime matchmaking I don't encounter them terribly frequently. Especially if you're just playing in a group with friends, unless your trust factor is terrible you just don't run into them that frequently. And I'd much rather run into someone who might be cheating every 10+ games than a smurf every other game.
i dont remember seeing a cheater in comp for a while now
People who don't play csgo still think the game is infested with cheaters and it can't be anymore wrong. As long as you have prime, you will encounter almost to none cheaters. Sure, one or two may come your way every 20/30 games or so but every game has cheaters. Valve's decision for prime only matchmaking is doing pretty well.
Ever since the trust factor update I have had less cheaters in cs then val. I have had tons of people blatantly cheating on val and not getting banned. (No skins staring at people through walls and aimlocking in radiant)
I love both games and this is quite a wholesome comparison vid all things considered
As a casual player that tried on both games, anti cheat is the main reason for me to play valorant at the moment, in cs go if you play on asia 80% of the time you gonna meet some cheaters which is disheartening from coming from an older and better polished game.
Indeed prime will make you meet less cheater but i still meet some cheater about 30% off all game i play using prime account.
Low trust factor
yes but the riot anticheat is literally a virus
@@niken538 agree, I play csgo everyday and have hardly faced any cheaters. FYI I do play on Asia server
that probably 2 to 3 years ago now valorant in asia more cheater than cs
@@Zackmoufoe that's yout luck then, i mainly play on holiday and man it's disastrous. If i plays on my s-gn account or tried to create a new one there'll be a lot of cheater, if it's on le i seldom meet any cheater.
Been reading comments and replies over a csgo vs valorant posts/topic and one of the things I've noticed so far is how differently both of the fans of each games defend their favorite game. There were couples of valorant fans back then who would say sht about cs but I rarely see them start an argument about it these days. Meanwhile it's the opposite for cs fans, even on a post that doesn't mention valorant at all they'd still be there to compare and sht on the other game. And despite how much they mock valorant's players being mainly kids, they unironically look like kids themselves based on how immature they act on a valorant vs cs topic.
That also falls to their feed preferences, especially now on Twitter. CS fans are actually being hyped now about the CS2 and shitting on Valorant now because they mostly argue that former CS and now Val pros might come back (and some other reasons they say).
But on the other hand, the Val community are just too busy on the current leaks of a potential mobile game, roster changes in NA Valorant, NA Valorant drama, EU league issues, etc.
cs frogs obsessed with valorant
cs fans are the new dota fans. dota players still talking about league while 80% of league players dont even know the existance of dota
cs frogs are mad that valo got a bit of attention lol.
CS is a pure skill game.
Yep. No Insta locking to ruin your day or some shit abilities. Only you and your guns
Yet I still manage to run and gun in both game
@@rayznshine In lower ranks you can. If you try to yolo run and gun against decent CS players you'll be punished so hard it wouldn't even be funny
they’re both skill games, they just require different sets of skills
@@luciboye5585 Valorant requires less. Way less
This was such a legit video. Thank you for making this.
I really like both games as they're different in their own rights. I used to play more CS but recently I've been playing more Valorant as I wanted to try something different
I love cs and valorant but the only thing I don't like and hate is the csgo communities, they are too toxic and salty, even though they are men
@@Tacooh_ I prefer the toxic russians in my ear over valorants soppy fucking egirls and eboys
@@Tacooh_ I do agree with you on the toxic players on cs. But I think it comes down to how u show yourself in the game and where u are in it. If you're young and use the mic, you're gonna have a bad time. If u chat non stop, you're gonna have a bad time. Also If you in low ranks with people who don't give af. You're gonna have a bad time.
If u just play the game give calls and play well no one gives a shit about u.
@@peterfrost530 not only in the game though, look at all the comments
@@Tacooh_ I don't see many salty comments here, just people having debates, can you quote a comment please I don't want to feel like I am missing out.
really good one, first it thought this gonna be another smash :D but it's cool you guys did this.
there were more plot twists in the end than in my entire life 💀
6k hours on cs and am radiant in valorant and have been since episode 2.
The ways you die on valorant are some of the most frustrating things I've experienced. Depending on the map, you can take 2 steps and INSTANTLY die in the round. Not to mention the absurd site takes that you face and random ass shots people hit on you due to the spray patterns being easier. In CS, you are mostly in control of how the round plays out for you. Of course you'll get sprayed through a smoke every now and then, but valorant is 10x worse.
I was on the valorant grind since episode 2 and recently quit at the beginning of this year in order to get back into CS. Overall, I've had much more fun actually having fair aim duels than me being shit on by a Raze rocket launcher :)
Exactly my experience. I have never felt more helpless than when I played Valorant. Never in my life have I seen players with movement like they have shoes on their hands absolutely dominate me because they get a crazy lucky headshot while they full sprint out long.
i had played CSGO,Apex before getting into Valorant.While i felt csgo require me to use my brain more than usual,apex gave me a smoothly aim and fast decision-making on certain cases.Valorant seems a bit too unbalanced since the game itself is pretty slow and got filled with utilities.All i have to do is just to pick neon and rush onto their faces lol
Am i the only who finds cs spraying easier?
@ᅵ it is easier because you have mastered the spray, while in Valorant you can't master it. Thats the difference lol. The game has slower rate of fire across the board making spraying way less viable also the guns are less accurate and the movement doesnt matter as much. So this is why a higher skilled aimer from CS (3000+ elo) is not so different than an average CS player (
"spray patterns being easier" bro there are no real spray pattterns
I've played CS since I was a kid. my first ever FPS and shooter, but it became stale for me. I love CS and I don't regret a bit all the time and money i've putted in those games. Valorant is cool and amazing too. it's chaotic, sure, hard to understand, true... but it gave me something I haven't felt playing csgo in a long time, having fun in fps. It was all the same, plant/defuse, rush a/b/mid... but playing val made me feel love for this genre again, I still go back to csgo once in a while.. but won't forget... but honestly... for esports. cs is far better.
This is for far away the most precisely description between those games, really acceptable the idea that a game get an or even more than one idea from other to superate it, but i hope in the case of csgo this changes at once with the incoming update of s2
Started playing CS 22 years ago when I was 7 and got to Global in CSGO later on. Now I main Valorant and got to immortal but.. i never finish my triangle. Meanwhile in CS I kept playing and playing. I don't know if it's my age or why I lose motivation to keep playing more comp.
Thanks valorant for keeping the Kids away from cs 🤞🏽
Amen
tbh 90% of eu CS players are 12 year old cry babies 😅
@@Mul3kruk ure probably between silver to nova
Valid
@@machiavelli9435 LEM but thanks 👍 I have atleast two mentally unstable "teammates" per game. I'm talking about SoloQ MM (just to be clear). It's fkd and absolutely no fun anymore.
One of my biggest issues in Valorant is the 'role' issue identified in this video. In Val, to win games, you need your teammates to fulfill the role they picked (e.g if theyre duelist, theyre typically the entry, or if theyre controller, they need to smoke, etc). But if they choose not to play their role as intended by Val, theres not really anything you can do to fix that. You can't fill in for them because your character has different abilities which cannot replicate the unhelpful teammate. But in CSGO, if someone doesn't want to play their role, you can swap with them and have practically the same effect because your characters are equal.
Super fair comparison and awesome conclusion. Both games can coexist.
Finally an actual good and professional exploration of this interesting topics cs vs valo, 👍 good job
Without some quirky tech valorant map still just 90⁰ angle and some box scattered around the hallway
6:55 best line ever
I think a good analogy for CS:GO vs. Valorant gameplay is a blank canvas vs. a finished painting: One has more to offer at face value, but has already been made, the other one seems blank in comparison, but the less you tell some one, the more blanks they can fill in at their heart's desire.
I wouldnt say csgo is king of esports... the recent vct lock it in which was the recent valorant tournament tripled the viewership of csgos most watched tourney...
As someone who has spent 5000 hours in CS:GO, it's so weird to "learn" Valorant. All those creatures, grenades or just... thingies(?) flying at you and some are destructable where as some are not, make it really counterintuitive for me. In CS: if it flies in your direction, you cannot shoot it and you have to move/turn around. In Valorant? Good luck finding out. Also what I despise about Valorant: I hate the ultimate abilites. I like the regular ones, but not those where you have to kill people and so on to gain access to them for one use. They feel so overpowered and annoying to me.
But I find it interesting that in CS:GO, i encounter a woman like once every 100-200 games which made me think that women don't game but in Valorant, there is a girl in basically every team it feels like which made me understand that's it's not gaming itself which isn't appealing to women but just the games. And honestly, I find it really cool when women play video games so that's a plus for Valorant.
The only thing weird about you or the csgo community is that csgo community always says like valorant is weird, why it has weird kind of creatures in the game, valorant is not csgo...
Bro you just did it!
Wow 😅
Honestly if you get into valorant later rather then sooner its so hard to get a grasp of all the abilities, if you play since the start and you can learn agents 1 by 1 its easy but all at once is chaos.
@@Tacooh_ no shit, Sherlock, he didn't say it was. He just said the game felt weird to him. Why is that triggering you
@@meandab because csgo communities hate valorant for no reason and too toxic
I've heard this a few days ago "CS:GO is popular, even after 10+ years, because it takes minutes to understand, but a lifetime to master"
Never played CS (or Valorant), but I've watched pro CS matches and videos for hundreds of hours
I do be honest, because there is a competitor.( Valorant ) CS2 is now a thing.
Without it, hell I don't believe they will even put the ping system feature in the game at the first place.
( Ping system release at the date after Valorant came out. )
Im from central america and always loved csgo, but i cannot play on 100-120 ping vs 5-10 ping on the na server. So I play valorant but for sure both are great games we just have been cs for over 20 years and were are so confortable with it.
I personally prefer the valorant gameplay because there's so many different ways to play, and I like the maps more, but the csgo movement and gunplay is so much better
This is a rare comments section where most people respect each other's game preference. I hope the Twitter community also see that and actually recognize each game's differences and their own greatness.
Personally, I play a lot of Valorant, currently a Gold player (yeah, mid-rank I know). I am a newer generation of casual gamer and VAL was my first tac-shooter. However, it introduced me to CSGO and it taught me some fundamentals in spray patterns, and even peeking.
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feels good to hear the voice guy trying to keel both the community became more good and less toxic each other
Nice, civil comparison and the first time I've ever seen one lmao. 2 great competing games can exist at the same time and fanbases need to learn that
i like cs for the same reason i like older games in general - simplicity
I just don't enjoy games with tons of different agents , abilities , powers etc etc
One more point I'd like to add.
Valorant will (and has to) keep on adding more agents and abilities. Most of those abilities are variations of the smoke and the flash. Good variety. But as a casual gamer it gets overwhelming.
CS has (almost) been the same experience since I started playing it 5-6 years back.
Like I played valorant exclusively for 6 months but then got exhausted and stopped. Now if I just want to play something, I can just pick up CS and actually do something of value, but I will not be able to do so in valorant. Someone will always get nerfed or un-nerfed in games like these, and I won't realize that because I would be out of the loop.
Also, Valorant seems to have a younger audience, and they can be very um......impatient with older folk like me xD
True, i see a lot of good players struggling in my ranked games because they stopped playing the game for like... 1 month
You need to be consistently playing the game to keep up with the new agents, nerfs, buffs etc
I feel like they should stop at like 20 or 25. There's just too many agents now and it becomes less of a tac shooter and more of a hero shooter.
Ok there's 6 duelists now so just have an even 6 agents per role and stop it there. The games main draw for FPS newbies was the relatively gradual learning curve. But with 21 agents that's kinda out of the window. I think they should cap it at 24, and rework pre existing agents when they would've released new ones
true, r6s eventually slowed down with operator releases, apex seems to be as well with no new legend this season, considering those games also have much more dynamic maps compared to valorant with apex being bigger in scale and r6s having destructible walls and complex strats
@@gautamvaze1101 I think thats what they gonna do. Like even tho the Agent Pool is really small, they already "reworked" one agent (yoru) and i guess they gonna have a way higher rework rate in this game, since they learned from league of legends that reworking is also a good option instead of just releasing a new agent.
They already said they will stop at like 5-6 agents per role but they haven’t reached it yet
Very great video, I play both games (albeit I play VALORANT more), this video shows facts from both games without favoring one side.
Valorant skins are... corporate. They have zero character, zero sentimental value beyond their price. A polar opposite to Counter Strike, a free market run by the community, dealing items created by the community, where the the monetary value is dictated by the sentimental value and not the other way around, because the value of an item is entirely dictated by how desirable it is to the community. I think this is why so many people get the comparison between Valorant and CS:GO skins wrong: They're trying to compare a sinlge shop with an entire marketplace. It's the exact same thing with stuff like designer clothing or apple products (to some extent): Ultimately, it's a choice between individualism and assimilation.
I'd play more cs if my friends play it more, but they prefer valorant :( . Solo queue is just way too tiring.
Fake friends smh
i'd play with you
SoloQueue and then make new friends. Easy solution.
@@Luckyyshot Very true. I need to make friends with the ruskis
@@kiyu_u6009
I know it's a joke, but honestly even if most randoms was shit then you just need to add the few ones that's not, and you fast build a chunky friend list. I grew up with none of my friends playing CS, so that's how I build my steam friend list back in the day.
both are good but i feel like valorant is too defender sided because both sides have the same weapons. also the operator just doesn't feel as good as the awp
It's not meant to be that oppressive as flashes and smokes are limited in valorant
i was scared that this might be just a hate video against valorant but man you took me offguard. Really liked this video great job
i started playing tac shooters when valorant came out and tried csgo to see what the big brother was like, and i can assure you that from a player that learned from valorant cs felt really really diffrent, neither in a bad or a good way, just more bare-boned i think. The only thing i have to say about cs was the community tho, i tought it couldn't possibly be worse than valorants, my good was i wrong, from cheaters to being kicked out of a game for absolutely no reason to just plain insults thrown at me for not knowing where to fucking go in that maze that is overpass. Oh one more thing, for the love of me i can't fucking see where my bullets go when i spray wit an ak, i know its a small thing and i'm just bad, trust me i know, but for some reason it has bugged me from the first time i opened that game.
yeah i only played like 5 cs matches and came to the realization that the community is trash lol and the game was to bland for me to sit down and get deep into
See I find this take interesting because I can absolutely see how someone would get this experience from CSGO. But for me, being a CS player and trying out Valorant for a while to see if I found it fun, I had the exact same experience but with the opposite games. I've only played a few games of CS over the years I've played it where there were toxic ass people that just ruin the whole experience. But for the most part, I've only had good teamates that were just there to win and have fun. But for me, Valorant was nothing but a toxic cesspool of people yelling at each other for the smallest things. I think it's just a bias from starting at one game or the other as no matter what game you switch to you seemingly will always meet toxicity at first no matter what. I think both communities have terrible people but also amazing ones too. We just happen to only remember the bad over the good unfortunately. My solution is to play unranked muted in either game to get the hang of it before moving into ranked games with comms. Usually you'll get placed with higher ranked/less toxic people.
you can turn on the tracer if you want in cs. its r_drawtracers_firstperson 1 it's way easier for spraying
This is because as a new player you have a low trust factor. You will have to keep playing if you want CS to get better. It's unfortunate but there isn't really a way to do it better.
@Antonio Lyles the community is far better than val. You just have to play faceit instead of matchmaking.
This is DOTA vs League Of Legends all over again.. and the fact that both sides are always arguing reminds me of 2013.. Good Times lol
Just riot trying to steal csgo's playerbase just like they did to dota, definitely familiar.
@@enso8762 Most of the games are made to do things like that but i know what you mean.
@@enso8762 competition is always good for online games. It makes sure that they improve so that they won't get complacent and stale. It's not stealing if they willingly go to the other games. They just found the niche that they want
@@enso8762 you do know cs isnt an original idea but took the idea from a mod right?
@@howdycrusader355 competition that bribes the middle man? research the history of this and you'll find out how terrible it was
Let me get this straight.
Valorant is for boys, CS is for men
couple things
theres blood in valorant, and you can turn off blood in both games (CS it's with weird console commands tho)
i really fw the comparison around 4 mins, but I think it kinda misses the mark in some places. sage doesnt really counter strong executes cuz of how fast her wall breaks, and using a character to delay a push is literally part of the depth-- you can't do certain executes without thinking first. but one of the major issues of certain characters/executes being blatantly strong relative to others is cuz of power creep and that older character concepts get left in the dust. phoenix is a great example of this! love the vid.
i too love dota, the game i have never tried and will likely never play
I play both as well as the writer of this video :). They're both fun for different times when you feel you wanna do something different.
good job!
if they didnt make valorant look like a cartoon i would have switched back when it was released..
surprised you didn’t mention the hit box differences and the weapon differences. Imo in valorant all the guns are are laser pointers and the head hb are huge
And most maps use very linear/flat surfaces, which makes crosshairplacement mostly accurate. In cs even flat surfaces have slight variation, which make onetaps so hard imo.
@@jonathan8366 not even just that but you have to appreciate all the little ledges and angles you could be using. I don’t think I’ve seen people boost at all in val
@@carzybacon47 boosting in val is not possible the same way it is in csgo. Your character will just slide off their head even if the person is standing still.
@@warrior1563 yes but you can use sage wall which sometimes people do
Love this!! There should be more content that unites the two communities!
The timing of this video couldn't be better 😂
it really does say alot when the main tournament organizer has to do diss video about the game that is stealing the last few players from cs
well done 👍🏽
this is actually a really good video. no bias just explained what is good about 1 and the other and left it at that really well written
but i do hate valorant tho
And i hate cs tho 🙂
I hate valorant as well, its just.... not for me let say.
@@MohitSingh-pg4kz Valorant is fun as a casual game, but it is a worse e-sport in terms of balanced competitiveness and easy watchablility compared to CS. CS is like chess, Valorant is like chess but one side has 4 rooks and the other side has 2 queens
@@Sengial great way of putting it
@@Sengial cs is not chess LMFAO. as a moba player you make FPS players sound dumb.
thats a great Video! something that needs to be shown to people that hate on the other tactical fps the whole time
i mean even if i prefer watching Valorant Pro play over CS, i totally agree that CS is the superior eSport
the only thing i hate in valorant is the aiming when youre moving, also how you gotta wait that one second after stopping so your first shot is actually precise.
other than that i love valorant and the fact it has actually kept me entertained unlike counter strike.
I don't quite like how some things feel in valorant but I still enjoy both games :))
Great video👍👍
Love the video. Its really well written and offers a calm analysis of both games with their respective pros and cons. I play Valorant but will admit that i still very much enjoy watching CSGO content and have alot of respect for the scene. My biggest complain i have with Valorant is the fact that every agent in the game is asigned a singular specific role. As a tactical fps game, having certain people perform certain strategic duties is a part of the games core. If these duties arent fullfilled, as a result, the whole team can suffer. You as the player are basically thrown into a team with 4 strangers with no guarantee wether or not they know how to fullfill their roles or even play as a team in a game that is supposed to be a tactical fps.The easiest example would be the role of the smoker (i.e. Controller). Smokes are easily one of the most important parts of the game since they can cut off sightlines and areas of the map, which makes capturing or defending sites so much easier. In Valorant, if your one and only designated smoke player does not do his job, the whole team suffers. In CSGO however, since all players have access to the same equipment, the players are not fully reliant one single teammate. If one player does not use their utility the rest of the team still has smokes, flashes, nades etc..
I really hate that in Valorant, you as an individual literally don't have access to the utility necessary for certain situations simply because some agents have certain utility that others don't.
Seriously, when my parents joined me when I was watching a CS tournament, the only thing I had to explain to them was to look at the minimap and the bottom of the screen to see which player we're looking at, as well as what side they're on. The only wonky part I had to elaborate on is the fact that the players cant see the enemy outlines we're seeing on the screen, thats a feature only for the viewers to see. I can't even begin to imagine how to explain a Valorant match to them, cause most of the time even I dont know what's going on.
I love both..both have an interesting way of playing the game. Both are frustrating sometimes hahaha but still fun of course. I don't need to hate on this Tactical FPS cause there's already only just a few amount of Tactical FPS games out there. It's not an oversaturated game genre unlike others. 😁
Csgo is just a simple master piece. The movement feels amazing and is extremely hard to perfect. Valorant is really good for new players my girlfriend started with Val and switched to csgo. She likes faceit cuz they have a women’s only queue. In csgo there is alot more to learn then Val. Maps, lineups, sprays, movement, cross hair placement, scaling together the whole way you work with your team is completely different you can’t just rush a rush b in csgo
There's actually more to learn in Valorant. In addition to all the things you mentioned, you also have 20 unique agents so there is a lot more variety in terms of team compositions, strategy and coordination. Plus, the meta changes a lot when agents get buffed or nerfed so the game stays fresh.
@@amerfarooq Even iron players in league can know what all 155 champions do and their abilities. Knowing like 30 abilities total doesn't raise the skill ceiling aa much as you think it does when there's lots of overlap
@@amerfarooq Surely people haven't only played Jett ever since Beta. The comment above is wrong, but having played both games, CS is harder to master. While yes, in Valorant there are 20 agents that you can all learn and perfect, even pros only play 3-4 agents at a time, which again as you said goes to show how much there is to know. However, this means that players will play Kj and get really good, but now they don't necessarily have to learn anything else. Yet, in CS you will have to know a ton of smokes, flashes, mollys and nades to be good. And let's be fair, mastering one or two agents is less work than mastering all the utility in CS, exactly because everyone needs to be able to do everything.
@@Jacob-bn1nj But just like CS:GO there are plenty of unique things to learn from character to character, like lineups (sova's entire kit is lineups) stuff like a blind that goes through walls, a teleport to get to places in ways the enemy may not expect (due to it only being accessible through that character), where you can setup one-ways on a map and how (some only work with a certain smoker), when to use an ult, who to lurk with/when to lurk, etc.
You guys like to undermine valorant's quality a lot, when honestly the only thing I feel it's lacking in is its maps and gunplay (the way recoil is randomized and every gun's first shot accuracy isn't 100%). Well that and the skins are way too expensive (CSGO has the community market so it can't really compete with that) but besides that it's fine.
Note: I could also point out that riot as a company has a bad past but at this point every AAA company does
Women only q? Lol
There is no match for CS:GO when it’s comes to FairPlay and game balance, it’s doesn’t matter how much $ you spent for game you wouldn’t get any edge. You just need to be better and to get better you need practice more also CS:GO is almost complicated as chess to me because there is almost endless tactics, game plans and rotations etc. Just love this stupid game ❤
Bro it’s the same for Val lol.
thats true, its not so ez to pop in site
Yes CSGO is as complicated as regular chess
literally the same for valorant, paying for skins isn't gonna help you get better lmao
@@krank3869 at least I can spin all my origin gun skinline when XD
Project A looked really cool, what they actually delivered does not, couldn’t get into it for the same reason I couldn’t get into R6…new agent every week, new sandbox altering ability
Thank you for the fair analysis. Valorant IS weird, it is more accessible but it's also really fun and tactical. A lot of those kids will grow up and grow into counter strike and we would all rather them come from a tactical shooter than COD. The agents give the game a ton of depth and replayability and the devs have repeatedly shown when something is out of line in the meta they'll beat it back. Also allowing people to have tournaments at any level allows it to be good for kids and let them get into a team structure and learn good practice habits and mental hygiene for being good gamers. The games crowds being so tribal and petty with each other is just dumb and childish. (30 year old with thousands of hours in 1.6 Source and Global Offensive who mains Valorant now although I'll probably come back for cs2)
I died when they called out Hunter
I know for a fact I'm never going back to Valorant, I'm a CS player however I did start playing Valorant during its twitch collab beta. Didn't play valo at all after the beta cuz the movement and shooting was so... ugh (personal opinion). Recently picked valorant back up again cuz friends begged me to and I'll just list some tilting stuff:
1. Why can't I choose which maps to play? Why is it ALL RANDOM? I'm trying to learn the maps but I can't do it because I keep getting that one stupid map with the ziplines.
2. Who the fak said the community is good for this? The toxicity is unreal, I only get 2 types of lobbies, either its a lobby filled with try-hard level 400s screaming callouts at me, a lvl 1 player like they mean anything or its a lobby filled with cringe e-daters that are more focused on each other's voices than the actual game. There is no in-between, where are all the chill people at?
3. HOLY SHET THE COLORS!! Why is there like a million visual effects on the screen? I can't see shet and can't tell what's a flash, smoke or general ability. The information overload is crazy, can barely focus on what actually matters.
4. Retakes are legit impossible, Valorant favors passive players and this is primarily due to the low movement speed coupled with the absolutely mega large maps like Breeze. If you can sit still longer than your opponent, you just win. (Fak Breeze and Fak Fracture)
5. Last but not least, MAPS. MAPS in valorant are awful, most of them bar a few are downright unplayable and I can't even skip those maps because of reason 1. This could just be bias but I constantly feel like there are a tons of angles I need to check, so many dumb corners. The pathways are tight and narrow while the sites are big and open with almost no cover if you exclude walls.
Valorant is a riot game that I will not be "enjoying" further however I will still be stuck in League's undying grasp probably.
When I played valorant after CS, I felt that something was holding me back in the game, I was uncomfortable playing it, and after two weeks of playing valorant, I went to CS and realized that I didn’t like the movements and shooting in this game at all. game. I think that shooting and movement in a shooter should be the core mechanics that feel and work great, but Valorant decided to go the other way by contributing to characters and their abilities, as well as beautiful cheap skins)
Returned back to CS and waiting for CS 2
Retakes require good utility, which a new player won't have
In general valorant is only balanced once you understand the utility.
Honestly when you talk about the learning curve, valorant's is easier because of the ease on utility. If you one trick a character and learn how to use your character, it's much easier to be able to make impact amd there's no need to learn lineups (unless you play one of the 3 characters that require them to be effective). Also the fact you can't one trick maps also forces the playerbase as a whole to be better at using different utility set ups instead of just learning lineups for a single map. Add in the randomness in the guns, that also flattens the skill curve. Valorant also has the better learning tools where unrated is virtually the same game as comp where cs casuals are completely different from comp. New players also aren't going to do faceit. Cs definitely has a higher skill ceiling but valorant is more beginner friendly.
This video is dope af I don't feel comfortable in character base games cuz it restricts your play style so it's kinda sucks if u can't switch mid game
I think it really comes down if you prefer valorants abilities, constant content updates and maps over counter strikes movement and to some extent gunplay
it really comes down to your mental age. and if you don’t agree then you are a child and should go play valorant so that we can enjoy cs without you
@@big_2361 as someone who likes both games. cs players tend to talk about val more tho, if we're talking about mental age then cs is worse cuz you got older population but least mature and just whining about another game.
@@user-cl8cl6qc5t ofc you like both games. if you like *alorant you have no right to have a negative opinion about CS anyways
@@big_2361 I think his point is no one has an opinion on CS bc nobody thinks about cs except the people who play it lmaoooo
@@big_2361 Shut up, Cs is worse.
csgo is very skill based. from the movement to the shooting mechanics, it takes a lot of practice and and skill to overcome. Valorant is very knowledge based. You have to be aware of all the different agents, their skills, recent buffs of nerfs, etc. I'm glad they went in a different direction with Valorant and didn't just copy the cs formula, it is refreshing. Nonetheless, I still like CS a bit more, I just never get tired of it. Valorant can get on my nerves sometimes.
So Val is just becoming overwatch with no competitiveness which defeats its original purpose of beyond mere hero shooter
@@charlechHow does it have no competitiveness?
stop acting like dota players.
In valorant, there are so many moments where you feel helpless because there are too many abilities. Sometimes I wish valorant was a csgo that only relies on simple aim and equipment.
having lots of agent is not good in my openion i used to play r6 i palyed valkaria so much i was so good after some time i got board and i star playing with other agent but its was not the same imagin playing 100hours getting good and suddenly changing totely new
The better game is the one that doesn’t put a Chinese-owned rootkit on my PC
yet CS is full of chinese owned cheats 😂. ill pick the chinese anticheat over the chinese cheat
Fucking THANK YOU for taking it down the middle with this! You can't have a civilized debate between both games without triggering the CS mob (CS player here).
The reason I believe Valorant is a good thing is because it incentives competition between both companies. Compeition is good and leads to better products on both sides. To use an overplayed example, in the world of wrestling, WWE got their ass in gear when WCW started buying their wrestlers and giving them new gimmicks that elevated their careers. And while WWE did win the Monday Night Wars, the fact there was legitimate competition proves that the companies in question will step up when they're threatened.
Will Valorant kill CSGO? No. Will CSGO kill Valorant? No. But both of them existing is a good thing because not only does it provide a good product for different demographics, but it gives incentive to do better and provide a better product.
i would be surprised if they released the video on ESL counter-strike channel where they say "you know what CS GO is far better"
And we've seen just after Valorant was released .. Valve started to release new operations .
@@EntrEsprit I think that title sounds kinda dumb, no valorant community will even use that title
Also a cs player here 🤓🤓 how do you do my fellow cs player 🤓🤓
if you like the cartoon copy of cs then you dont deserve a civilized discussion. praise the cs mob
I think for me, what makes CS:GO better is the over all feel. An ACE is CSGO gives adrenalin rush.. An ACE in Valorant makes is meh. When you watched a CSGO highlight/clutch is like BANG!!!. When you watched a Valorant highligh/clutch is like pew pew.
i mostly play valorant, but i like csgo just as much as valorant ONLY when im playing with at least 1 friend, they it becomes hell lot of fun, while valorant i enjoy it solo, but playing with friends doesnt add too much to the enjoyment then it does in csgo.
as a person who got into esports because of valorant I can say I enjoy csgo esports more
there's more events, the casters, analysts are better in cs and its also easier easier to follow
CSGO is the more Competitive game of the two, where your skill is basically the only reason you lost a duel. With no core difference between players mechanics, every interaction is fair. IN valorant if you are playing something like sage and you remain in a 1v1 vs a duelist, the odds of the duelist winning are higher because he is more suited for duels than you, and that is what keeps the game from being 100% fair and skill based.
& some absurd util... util should have some limits...what the hell is that breach ultimate? Mdrfkr does a 1v3 in 10seconds 😂
My only counterargument to this is just start being aware of the enemy utils in valorant. Same in Csgo in that if you know that they are going to Molotov heaven then Get a smoke, if you see that breach ult is online then don't bunch up
@@howdycrusader355 not applicable to all.....in 2v1 situation if cypher kills 1 & uses his ult...then the Element of Surprise is gone in a post plant situation & the latest pokimon agent.... let's not talk about him 😂
@@theouts1der still applicable. If you see that cypher ult is online then play together so his ult is null
@@howdycrusader355 that is the issue, in cs you can still play according to your playstyle...not eveyone has entry-fragger level of aim skills....
Both games are amazing and I'm glad have the other one when I get burnt out on one the other just brings me back to it. Love them both.
Great comparison, thanks!
I rather sell my cs skin to buy call of duty than Playing valorand .
The problem with having so many playable characters is that, for the majority of players, it adds *breadth* of gameplay, not *depth* of game play. And reduces the skill ceiling of the game.
It's great for casual play, but really hampers professional and high skill players.
I play them both, CSGO since 2017 and Valorant since beta
its just like when i want to play Gran Turismo ill go for CS, otherwise like Forza Horizon then ill go to Val
similar things like 2x1, 1x1, retake and afterplant fundamentals, but its completely different games (valo low speed characters and cs faster)
Valorant players has a low communication level (the game is louder with noise pollution with agents talking stuff, which is nice for an accessibility context, but got chances to distract the player if he doesnt usually communicates well), i noticed seeing radiant streamers as well and usually those lobbies sucks at mic and on CSGO lobbies is a hell of a difference
Damn the start of the video almost made me look for the skip ad button
I played CS 1.6 last time, and had a blast with it. Then I hopped onto Valorant two years ago, playing it on and off when school wasn't busy. It took very long for me to actually learn how to be better at the game (map awareness, utilities, crosshair placement, etc) because I was just playing for fun. Recently I tried out CS:GO to see how different it was from Valorant. It was fun in its own way, but I ultimately returned to Valorant because my friends are there and I was used to the chaos the game can bring with all the utilities.
csgo mm feels alot more casual than valo, cs imo feels way better mechanically but i just cant take the game seriously anymore, because mm rank doesnt matter really, recently came back dropped a 30k against some dmgs and the game just gave me gn1 lmfao, im dia 3 btw
@@liiime1239 i was asc2 in valorant and when they restart i got d1 and i trapped there bcuz of lot of people trollling and they make u be mad but today i just did mvp 3 match that i lost all of them thats bcuz of team
@@kkkkjjjj8113 skill issue
I just like valorant because of skins where a 20 dollar skin is literally a dragon skin that makes me whiff HAHAHA and yeah anti cheat
Absolutely fair in every regard. I enjoyed this video.
Counter Strike is like chess Valorant is like chess but one in which you are always developing new pieces that bring a new movement pattern.
The core problem I see with Valorant is that you have to pick a role before the game and if the player doesn't/can't fulfill that role, you can't just swap and help/relieve that player.
And you lose the game because of that you can't rely on pure skill in Valorant the weapons are random, the teammates are random the maps are random everything is based on randomness and you have to try to direct that randomness in a way that you get an advantage out of it.
But what bothers me about CS is that skins (which fortunately you don't need to play) are based on Gambling Some skins can be worth 15.000 Euro but why do you have to put them in boxes? Can't you just have the store where you can buy skins. The problem with the boxes I see simply in the fact that young people get suggested hey you can open such a box and get a blatant knife / gloves, etc.. And big TH-camrs/streamers are leading the way.
I prefer CSGO to Valorant. Everything just feel more solid from the movement to shooting. The anticheat is not bad at all despite not using the root kit anticheat method that Valorant is using. The last time I've played with cheater is 5-7 months ago.
you probably play with cheaters commonly (unless faceit) you just would never know because they only cheat just enough to win enough games to climb. similar to counting cards in blackjack
@@byefelicia92 I've had over 300 hours of csgo games and I've only met 3 cheaters in my mm prime matches over those 300 hours
@@byefelicia92 No there is just trustfactor, so if you're a piece of shit you get bad lobbies
And I feel the exact oppisite about the movement.. it feels sluggish and slow, like an old fps game from the past, and Valorant's movements feels more smooth and fast, like a modern FPS game.
@@shigarumo2263 Valarante child gamer detected.
I am an OVERWATCH player and I love CSGO, no Valorant
We welcome you with open arms into the superior class of society.
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I only like Overwatch and Valorant because of their Porn.
@@t0rque_cs hooxi gigachad XD
And I love valorant 🙂
"cousin"
CSGO: hell naaaw, we not cousins. *spits on ground
What a W video ESL.
Good one.
Valorant first bullet accuracy and map design is a joke
Bro thinks valorant is csgo🤦♂️
Valorant is a joke
One of the biggest problems with valorant imo is that although the different abilities are really interesting and add a lot of depth, it pertains to the individuality so much that is attacks the team work altogether which is really ironic.
Youd die if you try league
you try to sound all fancy but in the end it bs
@@guts-0077 he has a point. in valo, players are much less prone to working together because of the abilities (intended to be used for teamwork)
@@crowzvede988 Anyone who says this has not watched much pro valorant. The complexity of the abilities actually creates much more opportunity for timing based teamwork to effect the match outcome. Valorant agent abilities allow for a more variety level of teamwork tactics because in CS there are only so many ways/places you can throw a smoke to cover a specific spot or throw a flash to clear a specific common angle. In valorant the different agents have different ways to do that such that they can do that job from different spots thus allowing them to have different timings.
@@gaspara9817 of course, but this was not in consideration of pro games. Obviously pros utilize the best of the given mechanics. Im talking about the design principle and how you'll see in mix games that players gravitate towards using abilities solo because of lack of natural cohesion that can occur. In cs it is simple, someone gives flash, someone goes in. It's natural for players to start filling roles. In Valorant without massive prep and communication, the game is just a fest of people playing on their own
I'm CS vetaran and I will never switch to Valorant because game looks like haos too much is going on screen and if you're new the to game you don't know what is better, cs is easier to learn from my perspective and kills are more satysfying.
Do you know why I can't play valorant my download stuck and I give up and then uninstall valorant
I like both games but recently I have only been playing Valorant. One of the absolute major differences to the games are those who develop it. When something is broken in Valorant, Riot actually seem to fix things fairly quickly. For Valve it's completely different. Something has to become such a drag on the whole community that it reaches hundreds, if not thousands of steam or reddit posts about how seriously wrong things are before they even react and acknowledge the problem and then spend time accumulating data before even attempting to fix the problem. Right now the matching system in MM is horrible and completely broken. How am I supposed to enjoy the game whenever my friends and I queue up and 8/10 matches we play against LEM, Supremes and Global Elites when we are just gold novas who like to have fun? The last 2/10 matches we are playing against silvers or equals but then it's 50/50 whether its against or with a cheater as our 2 randoms.
Since the supposedly fix for MM last year where there ranks were remade, the games matching system has been completely broken for us. Valorant doesn't seem to be so unbalanced in its matching.
on the other hand, my major issues with Valorant is that before it was launched it was promised that there would be no abilities in the game that would be able to one-shot kill or be absolute round determining which turned out to be one big massive lie as when the game was released we had Brimstone with his Ultimate, Raze with her Ultimate and cluster bomb can all kill with just 1 instance. I know it's possible in CSGO too with the nade or Molotov, but for the nade to 1-hit kill from 100 HP to 0, you have to hit the face first with the nade and have it explode right next to the face. Molotov can be extinguished with a smoke. It's not possible in Valorant. - Or abilities that hinders your ability to move and shoot. If it incapacitates your opponent it takes away the competitiveness if you ask me.
Both games have great strengths and weaknesses.
They definitely don't consider abilities and ultimates to be the same (considering they're fine with them being so impactful). I do think their constant agent introductions started making the game worse with Fade and onwards (and Astra but she's an outlier that also only made the game worse for the top players). I definitely miss when there was only a handful of agents, but their balancing was also much worse. I think I'd really like Valorant if it had today's balancing with a past agent pool (No clue who passed OG Raze balance). Half of what I dislike about these new agents is their VFX, rather than their usage as an ability. The other half is that it seems Riot's agent design philosophy has gotten worse or at least changed since the game came out. Agent's used to be much simpler and had intuitive kits. Now kit fluidity feels worse and my guess is it's due to designing abilities around agent theme. It could also just be that they have much less time to work on agents now that the game is released and they come out so often.
I'm actually fine with all ultimates, but I think the most recent agent Gekko has crossed that line. It feels really unfair. The rest of the ults have a lot more counterplay to me. Of course, this "counterplay" can be countered by comboing the ultimate with utility, but I'm okay with that (like sage slow + brimstone ult) because it's an ultimate and requires semi-decent coordination with the casting delays. Now breach stun + raze nade doesn't feel good. (breach stun especially feels bad because of it's quick cast time and lack of a sound queue, you can hear a sage slow orb as it slowly moves through the air, a stun just appears). right now, breach stun is free, rechargeable, good impact.
I wish Riot would experiment more with expensive abilities. I'd appreciate raze nade more if it costed say $800 or even $1000 (I think this concept could be applied to several agents like breach stun even (aftershock could be the recharging signature, and would fit initiator's corner clearing more). For Raze, suddenly you have to be disciplined (because of cost and because it wouldn't be regained from kills). They could make satchels the signature instead. Of course an alternative is that you could also just rework the nade and turn it into a CS frag, for example. (right now, shock darts are the frags of valorant).
I feel that Valorant is constantly improving and degrading at the same time but at an even rate. There's still a lot that could be improved, and they do improve, but new problems get created (some problems are old and a result of late meta discovery such as breach's hidden power that could've also just been the result of more comboing utility being introduced to the game, or perhaps a new importance of map control not previously understood in valorant)
Raze nades needs to be accurate to even one hit someone.. You have enough time to run away from it. Also, if you see a enemie Raze in the team, just don't push instantly, or bait out the Raze before doing so.. Also, if you are so afraid of it, play Kay/o.
Also, you can avoid almost everything in Valorant. Only that shitty blind from Gekko.. Even if you turn around, you will still gte blinded AND the enemies knows that someone is ther, because it's a blind and spotting thing. But.. Like every new Agent, it will face some changes in the future anyway.
i play csgo.. but i love valorant.. imagine if valorant is not exist.. maybe valve wont add source 2 into cs FOREVER.. thx u valorant..
You do know there's some features of Source 2 that's currently used in CSGO, right? Doofus
there shouldn't be nitpicking for map pool. not all games are designed or made the same. I think it teaches overcoming adversity and problem solving if you're playing a map that isn't your favorite. It makes you more well rounded and broadens your horizons. You're not that lame overpass main player. there's more than just 2 or 3 maps out of the entire game of cs.
I disagree.
1. If I don't enjoy a certain map I shouldn't be forced to play it.
2. If I want to get better a specific map I should be abled to do so, without having to rely on RNG to throw me onto the correct map.
3. There is nothing wrong with only playing a few or even just one map. Everyone should have the option to enjoy the game the way they want. To me, being great at a single map is much more valuable than being okay at multiple.
So what about hackers and better shot registration? Why u didnt say anything about it?