Pat Brown and Paintbrushes | Understanding EQ and Facing the Phase Boogeyman

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  • @robendj
    @robendj 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    You have a fantastic teaching ability, very clear to understand. Great channel, thanks Michael.

  • @chrisnelson1970
    @chrisnelson1970 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    thank you so much for taking the time to create this, just started learning PA tuning, and this is extremely helpful!!

  • @Ricochetmex
    @Ricochetmex ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I tried this yesterday in my small PA system and it got me really nice results, thanks!

  • @engjds
    @engjds หลายเดือนก่อน

    The best video on correction I have seen, excellent, great job there.
    I have spent weeks playing with phase with results almost always making it sound worse, after seeing this I see I will focus more on amplitude and be mindful of the causals he mentioned like floor bounce. There is a lot to digest there, but at least its a great start knowing the steps otherwise you can be running around like an headless chicken with this stuff.
    Only thing people do not seem to be discussing is we have not all got the capability to use fancy FIR filters with lots of TAPs, so how can you best design IIR filters; what is the maximum sort of Q's and gain should consider with those? and for a certain extent FIR, you told us Q=1.414 for 1 Octave, what are the other two conversations?

  • @GrandNebSmada
    @GrandNebSmada ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Amazing video once again, thanks Michael!

  • @kor3321
    @kor3321 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks Michael curtis for always being informative 👍👍👍👍

  • @zhordzrecords167
    @zhordzrecords167 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Pure Gem, much respect to you!

  • @montelcarlos143
    @montelcarlos143 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks Man,just what I needed,as if you know what my brain just thinking this morning,there you are again enlightening Us again,sincerely Your Student

  • @GrahamGames-zx4bp
    @GrahamGames-zx4bp 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Nice vid...Pat is great!

  • @mez9518
    @mez9518 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi Michael! As always - great video, lots of useful stuff, thanks for your energy, time and dedication. Have a question about last part of the video (30:40) .
    So we managed to rule out those peaks and dips on the magnitude graph as a floor reflections, we know that it is not a speaker oddity but a room interference. How can we estimate systems tonal response in that spectral area (low mids) "behind" those ripples? Suppose we should think of it as some kind of average trace between those peaks and dips?

    • @MichaelCurtisAudio
      @MichaelCurtisAudio  ปีที่แล้ว

      That's exactly right! And the deeper the ripple, the stronger the reflection. The smaller the ripple, the weaker the reflection.

  • @jacobslama968
    @jacobslama968 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    hey Michael! if i were to turn the subs around and get the driver closer to the wall, would i then flip the phase to 180 to compensate? thanks!

  • @JonAnderhub
    @JonAnderhub ปีที่แล้ว

    Great stuff!!!
    Thanx!!!

  • @bugazavr
    @bugazavr ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks Michael for your videos on the subject, with each one I rewatch :) I get more info out of it, still a long way to go :)
    What I'm struggling to understand is where to do the eq for speaker EQ and system EQ.
    For example at our church we have a custom line array, which was designed by a local shop (I know it's not ideal, but it's what we have) so question is, should we do a speaker EQ on the preamp we have powersoft(if I understand correctly at close range to the speaker to get it flat) then do a system eq also on the preamp? or on the mixer(x32 rack)?

    • @MichaelCurtisAudio
      @MichaelCurtisAudio  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The only way to parse out what tonal anomalies are due to the room vs the speaker itself is to do a near-field-ish measurement of the speaker in a controlled environment, and then apply any necessary processing to get it "flat" (a factory preset, user EQ, etc.), then you can apply another layer of EQ if it's needed somewhere in the chain to get how the speaker is positioned and sounding in the room to sound how you want it.

  • @nicoeleich
    @nicoeleich ปีที่แล้ว

    What a cool video.... how could we correct the floor reflection comb filter??

    • @albinapa
      @albinapa ปีที่แล้ว

      We don't. It shows up on the measurement when the room is empty, but with a packed standing audience it's mostly absorbed away. To not be bothered by it while taking a measurement we could put the microphone really close to the ground, thus pushing the comb filter way up in the high frequencies. Or you learn by experience how to filter it away while reading the measurement.

  • @bradleyhenady2032
    @bradleyhenady2032 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Will you be doing a video on the system design with the SRX906 boxes you mentioned in the video? There's not a ton of real world experience reviews and opinions on them.

    • @WilliamOgden
      @WilliamOgden ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah I would like to see this too. Maybe a comparison against HDL6A

    • @MichaelCurtisAudio
      @MichaelCurtisAudio  ปีที่แล้ว

      I hope to in the future once I can actually hear the boxes in person. The data I showed in the video was for a design I helped with, but it was a remote consultation.

  • @AviewFromUnder
    @AviewFromUnder ปีที่แล้ว

    In the case of curved linear array we should start with an observation and response that is perhaps 5 or more octaves wide! "array correction"! I point to this as it is a very common oversight, many of us don't use array correction because we incorrectly feel it is robbing us of potential low hz output.
    I think that Meyer M array was without doubt the best implementation of array correction ever hands down! Yet most "engineers' scoffed at it. As result the task of "array correction" often unknowingly gets smeared into system tuning as the person does not even realize they have blended tasks that should perhaps not be blended!
    If AC is dealt with separately in another EQ application point it helps to not modify the tuning SE response because of strange looking filter compilations! That in its self is a subject visual expectations of EQ filter choices.
    IF commercial aviation trained in the same manner as Live sound we would crash and die at the wrong airport!

    • @MichaelCurtisAudio
      @MichaelCurtisAudio  ปีที่แล้ว

      Great points here, Gord!
      It's also interesting to hear how different manufacturers approach the array compensation. Most have opted for a variable low shelf based on the number of boxes. However, to my surprise, I've found that the QSC KLA12 stuff actually adjust the HF when you adjust the "array size" knob, similar to a JBL VRX932LAP. From array 1-5 it's a ~10dB swing.

  • @NicholasMadeo
    @NicholasMadeo ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Mike, much appreciate all the quality info you put out for us. Based on this video about EQ and phase I would like to ask you about the following scenario. I have a high quakity Martin audio CDD live 15 self powered speaker and I'm using it with their WLX horn loaded sub. I have the proper DSP setting in my proc for the sub which is low passed at 100Hz with a LR 48/Oct filter. My question is in regard to the CDD live 15 which is should I use just a HPF or use a LR filter to limit the very lowest frequncies from the CDD? I have done OSM measurements and the HPF filter for the CDD's is less disruptive to the phase response of the system. You should be aware that the system DSP has seperate outs for the mid/highs (CDDs) from the subs so they do noyt share a crossover point.
    Thanks for any input you can share.

    • @MichaelCurtisAudio
      @MichaelCurtisAudio  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's hard for me to say without looking at the data, but I would choose the filter that provides the smoothest magnitude and phase response transition between the main and the sub. I'd try measuring them side by side, capturing traces with the different settings and see which you can get the phase response to line up better with.

    • @NicholasMadeo
      @NicholasMadeo ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MichaelCurtisAudio Thanks for the quick response Mike. Perhaps one day a video about LR, Butterworth and Bessel filters!

  • @livemixpriyan
    @livemixpriyan ปีที่แล้ว

    HEllo Michael, what is the use of complimentary EQ, when the magnitude and Phase come back to the initial position? isn't it a waste of processing power of the processor?

  • @FreeKeenan
    @FreeKeenan ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Where can I download the Michael Lawrence target curve from?

    • @MichaelCurtisAudio
      @MichaelCurtisAudio  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      drive.google.com/open?id=1wLFuF0yMybNNJE1NM2KD65b66SdNF_IV&usp=drive_fs

    • @sarthakmalavade-p8q
      @sarthakmalavade-p8q 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      What is that
      Sir Michael target curve

  • @lhenn_
    @lhenn_ ปีที่แล้ว

    Which software did you use to simulate the SRX900? :) 6:40

  • @martingustavsson7854
    @martingustavsson7854 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video! What software/interface are you using for your measurements?

    • @MichaelCurtisAudio
      @MichaelCurtisAudio  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks, Martin! I use the Audient EVO 8 and SMAART v9.

  • @wesleyjeanpierre5856
    @wesleyjeanpierre5856 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi first of all thanks for all your videos..i would like to know if it is possible to sound tuning a system with an ipad plzz ?

    • @MichaelCurtisAudio
      @MichaelCurtisAudio  ปีที่แล้ว

      You can use the Open Sound Meter app on an iPad and connect an iOS compatible interface to it with your measurement mic.

    • @wesleyjeanpierre5856
      @wesleyjeanpierre5856 ปีที่แล้ว

      I don’t have a pc but an ipad pro and i digital mixer 😢

  • @AaronNguyen79
    @AaronNguyen79 ปีที่แล้ว

    How did you have the luxury of using so many EQ filters? Most of us only get 4 paramatic filters on a digital mixer on the outputs.

    • @jthunderbass1
      @jthunderbass1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He brings an Allen and Heath system processor for system tune and alignment.

    • @MichaelCurtisAudio
      @MichaelCurtisAudio  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yes, with a system processor I'm able to use more filters. If you've only got four I would still use the same approach and start broad, then move to more focused.

    • @WilliamOgden
      @WilliamOgden ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MichaelCurtisAudio I know those AHM processors have phoenix terminals. How do you connect your system? Do you have it in a rack with panel mount connectors?

    • @JasperSchwinghammer
      @JasperSchwinghammer ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@WilliamOgden that would be the way to go, yes. Alternatively you can go digital in and out of the box and have a stagebox somewhere for those outputs. But thats an edge case that adds needless complexity to the system

    • @AaronNguyen79
      @AaronNguyen79 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MichaelCurtisAudio sometimes I use powered speakers which have EQ built in , so I get 3 more EQ filters if I run out from the mixer. I rarely need more than 4 filters anyways :) If you think about it, there's 4 filters from Matrix LR and there's another 4 from Main LR as well. If you used up all 8, you might as well run the system EQ flat at lower levels. LOL

  • @henningbortne8650
    @henningbortne8650 ปีที่แล้ว

    You should have a target curve also in studio. Harmon curve

    • @MichaelCurtisAudio
      @MichaelCurtisAudio  ปีที่แล้ว

      I personally prefer flat, but the Harman curve can be used in certain situations.

    • @henningbortne8650
      @henningbortne8650 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MichaelCurtisAudio i am Mastering engineer in Oslo Mastering. How do you cope to work with a flat curve? In my ears is not sound natural and is isn't. Read some Aes paper from Tool. The mixer who use flat curve in studio, often have to much bass, and to little treble.
      Nice video btw

  • @FreeKeenan
    @FreeKeenan ปีที่แล้ว

    I wish I had your brain and knowledge. I'd purchase smaart if I could get some grip on things.

    • @MichaelCurtisAudio
      @MichaelCurtisAudio  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Start with Open Sound Meter and get the hang of measurement software, then upgrade to Smaart when you're ready.

    • @FreeKeenan
      @FreeKeenan ปีที่แล้ว

      @Michael Curtis Thanks for that info. Will it work on win 11 pro? Also will I need an interface and reference mics to get started? I really want to learn all this especially for driver, sub, fill alignment, and for checking speaker and horn driver phase etc.. The videos are already bogging down my brain 🧠
      I've always gave great mixes in my time of mixing but it's time to master the visual tools 🔧

  • @joentell
    @joentell 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Your videos are excellent! Would love to chat sometime.

    • @MichaelCurtisAudio
      @MichaelCurtisAudio  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you so very much! I appreciate the feedback. I'll have to check out your videos soon. Looks like you hang out more in the studio/home theater space? Or do you do live as well?

    • @joentell
      @joentell 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@MichaelCurtisAudio Mostly home theater, home audio, and I do car audio stuff for my own learning experience. I sent you a message on IG.