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Idols get cancelled and DRAGGED by netizens for dating and when it’s Chaeyoung wearing a Nazi symbol they’re like omg baby you did nothing wrong it’s okayyy 🥺🥺 speechless.
They act as if idols are some oblivious and pure creatures who can do nothing wrong. She is a 23 year old woman for god's sake. I remember seeing people educating her and telling her to take the photo down but her fans attacked them instead wtf. She wore that shirt THRICE and only apologised when she got caught. She could have been arrested if she was in another country. I am afraid this could bring the whole group down
@Dija this is exactly what I keep thinking about. Imagine if this was a foreign idol wearing a rising sun symbol. Koreans would loooose their mind and that idol would be kicked out of the group. K netizens are so ignorant because it doesn’t concern them but we let so many things slip beforehand and enough is enough
she literally gets death threats, she really gets more hate than messages "my uwu chaeyo didn't do anything wrong"
@@verinekaroine not the death treats but she deserves the hate.
Fr
wonyoung got a shitt load of hate just for eating a strawberry, but meanwhile chaeyong not once, or twice, but 3 good times ! wore this shirt with a swastika logo on it. and fans are like “how would she know what that is, we love you chaeyong” its funny how selective ppl can be 💀
If she didn’t know fine I’m not gonna assume what she does and doesn’t know but she still did something wrong even if she didn’t mean to harm anyone
ur acting like all the ppl who were hating on wonyoung was the same ppl who are defending chaeyoung
Wonyoung did literally nothing wrong and everyone rips on her ;-;
Can we not call it a swastika? Swastika is a symbol that has nothing to do with violence or murder. Call it Hakenkreuz instead
So this happened more than once?? Facking hell what are u fans on to still support this ignorant person.
She deserves the controversy but she DOES NOT deserve hate and death threat’s
Ate
The hate (not so massive) does deserve it, she cannot get out of that controversy so easily, however, she does not deserve the death threats, no one tbr
Fr she deserved to be educated but not death threats the fact that some netizens started to discredit her talent is WILD
it’s seriously too bad what she did. I’m italian and that symbol for my nation is illegal and it portate terrible memory. It’s a famous symbol she use it two times and if you bought a t-shirt you have to make sure what it symbolise. her excuses were not enough, idols get cancelled for very less. An idol if they say the n-word excuses are not enough for their ignorance but hers are ok? too many people died and suffered even how. In my school in two days i have to meet a man that survived the olocausto, if you don’t know the olocausto is the deportation of Jewish, homosexuals, politicians, criminals, and others in camps where they were treated horribly, and then killed/died.
I have to forget what she did just because she said that she didn’t knew what she was wearing, y’all have to remember that idols are normal people that have political opinions, maybe that’s her. A lot of people, even now, consider themself nazi or fascist.
Tzuyu had to take an apology video just because she show the flag of her country, chaeyoung did practically nothing. I’m sorry i’m not here to bully her, i’m not like this, i’m here because too many people forgot what happened because of nazi and fascism, and that was the symbol.
In german and in Italy is illegal, it should be like this everywhere.
Sorry i have to
@@rizrizberrie I'm sorry education is such a weak excuse now... Especially because Korea does talk about WW2 and Germany for school
Considering she wore this in NYC, which has a huge Jewish population, and all the antisemitism happening in general, what she wore was in poor taste. I don't think she intended to be malicious, but the impact of what she did and the people affected are more important - to coddle her or try to pretend SK isn't one of the most educated countries in the world does not help her be accountable or learn from her mistakes.
Also, coddling her is an insult to her intelligence and to South Korean people in general. Everyone sees this as just "hating", but aren't thinking about the larger consequences of her actions - many Jewish people work in the music and entertainment industry in America. This controversy could get Twice blacklisted in the US if the wrong people catch wind of this. As a group trying to have a bigger global presence, this could decimate their careers over here.
On twitter people were saying that the restaurant she went in NYC while wearing the shirt was actually owned by a jewish family
@@escritora84 if BTS and Blackpink survived their faux pa’s I think Twice can too. Though everybody takes it easy on BTS and Blackpink
@@lunarialoonatic exactly opposite, if BTS or blackpink had done this it would have been huge news.
But she wore qnon white supremacy shirt two days ago now went to Jewish restaurant wearing swastika symbol t-shirt 😮
@@bangtanboys1298BTS have done it already many times and they never apologised
For the people saying she didn't know, WWII was literally the reason why South Korea is South Korea and not just Korea. It was a turning point for South Koreans to gain their independence. There's no way one of the best schooling systems in the world didn't go over WWII and the holocaust. Especially when it’s concerning the countries history.
South Korea gained their independence from Japan, not Nazi Germany. From my understanding in Asia, there is a larger focus placed on Japanese occupation vs Nazi Germany. The rising sun was the symbol of hate synonyms with WW 2 in korea
That's the thing you Can learn about WWII or other thing but not every textbook has the sign or weapon used. Not tryna defend her because if it weren't for that situation I would not have know too (fyi I'm not American nor European nor an English born speaker)
Yet the allied powers are not as even remotely villainized for stuffs they have done especially the BRITISH ( ENGLAND)
They fucking colonized and damaged almost several big countries / races over decades yet are given clean chit tho is kinda ironic
Also as an Indian, we rarely learn up about these stuff and in fact most of my history knowledge is thanks to games
That's how crazy and distorted history is for the general people
Only those who have extensive knowledge on the subject can understand the ramifications tbh
Many of the Kpop fans themselves would fail in knowing their own country history lol
Not justifying Chae but that's how ignorant people are regarding such controversial issues
The Korean War determined North and South Koreas, WWII was primarily a time of brutal occupation by Japan for the Korean Peninsula but set the stage. Japan was allied with Nazi Germany. Ignorance of the largest conflict in human history doesn't look nor work nearly as good as an excuse as some people think.
@@Blodhelm It's because the education system rarely covers these WARS in details
As far as I know since I'm an INDIAN,
I predominantly knew about the BRITISH and the ALLIED POWERS making us fight their wars lol
HITLER comes barely in the chapter and is more focused on the collective AXIS powers rather than what HITLER and his goons did
Again she's an Idol so naturally I feel she leaned towards learning more about music, dance etc rather than taking specific history lessons
Now the onus is on KPOP companies to part that knowledge in depth as well cause there have been many idols who already shown they are ignorant of the issue
Some got enough flak and been kicked out while others have apologized+ moved on
I think it's very doubtful that Chaeyoung is antisemitic herself or was wearing the shirt with malicious intent. It's probably going a bit far for people to say she is a bigot. Chaeyoung has been praised for years for her edgier sense of style, getting tattoos, etc. Chaeyoung wore an edgy shirt because she likes having an edgy sense of style without understanding how harmful that symbol is. As someone who grew up in an Asian country, yes, we did learn about WW2 and it should be expected that we know what the symbol is. However, the perspective of the war was different and the cultural memory of the nazis actions is almost zero in those countries as opposed to imperial Japan. What we weren't taught is just how important it is and how much it affects people to this day. In a similar vein, when I transferred to an American high school we learned passing knowledge of Japan's actions in WW2 but we were in no way taught the extent to which their actions during the war are still very fresh in the cultural memory of countries like China and Korea today. This doesn't excuse Chaeyoung, but can serve as an explanation for why she did something dumb. Idols work very hard, yes, and their lives are probably very difficult. But events like this serve to remind us that many of them are still wealthy celebrities divorced from a lot of normal people and are prone to doing stupid rich girl shit like wearing an edgy shirt thinking it'd be cool.
Agreed!! I live in an Asian country aswell and we were also taught about the Wars but we never really went in detail about the Nazis or what their symbol or men looked like. We never really studied it with that much depth. We only studied the main events like the countries who were responsible for the Wars. Plus many idols sacrifice or freeze their studies to become a kpop idol at a young age which also might be the case but this is not directed towards chae or any other idols. But its quite common as idols have to live that hectic routine of training and managing their studies at the same time would be close to impossible so it makes alot more sense. I also agree about chae's style though , that's totally her style and it's pretty obvious she has that shirt cause it looks edgy. But I'm not defending her in any way, these are just some of the possibilities and I think some of the criticism is deserved (only so it teaches her a lesson to be more aware for the sake of herself and her fans).
@@CharlotteMayJane Education of one’s self it just as important as an academic education. Even if you weren’t really taught the explicit details of war in school, surely you posses the basic media literacy/ critical thinking skills to understand that Nazi’s were bad and their actions were deplorable. Like surely you have the skills to comprehend why a hate group is inherently a bad thing? Plus, there is SO much media regarding WW2. Movies, tv shows, books etc like surely at some point in your life you have stumbled across WW2 related media? Every year at the Oscar’s there’s at least one film regarding the war, like it’s everywhere. Self education is perfectly accessible and as a human being on this earth there is no excuse for being ignorant of something that affected the entire world and still does to this day, sorry. 🤷🏼♀️
@@MB-ic3ou yeah see this is why what I said isn’t an excuse but just a possible explanation. Chaeyoung is 23 years old and an internationally promoting idol. There’s a responsibility inherent there. That said, I don’t think we should be pointing to movies and media as a reason why Chaeyoung should have an understanding of how important the nazis are to cultural memory. Dramas and movies about ww2 are extremely common in China and Korea. How many have you seen? More than that how many has the average American who doesn’t watch kdramas seen? The average westerner has no idea how much the crimes of imperial Japanese are still embedded in Koreas cultural memory despite all this media about it. And movies and TV don’t really paint an accurate picture either. It’s also been pretty well documented that a lot of media about ww2 has a concerning tendency to portray the nazis as evil badasses with strong organization and cool shiny uniforms even in films where they’re the bad guys. Our media about the nazis is often tainted by the Nazis own propaganda. Movies and TV about the war does not universally capture the evil of the reich and how it affects people today.
@@unmessable12 That’s not my point. My argument is that there is copious amounts of WW2 related media, and as you’re suggesting, there is plenty of WW2 media in Easy Asia. Hence, there is no excuse to be ignorant of it. I read the “Boy in stripped pyjamas” when I was in primary school ffs. It is a major world event that is taught to everyone no matter where you grow up. Critical thinking and media literacy skills are where you develop an understanding of the media you’re consuming and the knowledge you are taught. So even if the media is portraying the Nazi’s as “badass” (which i’m sorry but what WW2 media has ever done that bff) surely your media literacy skills make you go “well they’re murdering all these people and are a symbol of discrimination”. And yes you are making excuses for her bc you’re suggesting that just bc she grew up with a Korean education (where WW2 was taught in school btw), this somehow explains her ignorance and stupidity. Sometimes people are just dumb and ignorant of the world around them, and that’s ok!
@@MB-ic3ou you seem to think that all WW2 related media is equal when that’s not true. As I said before, there is copious amounts of ww2 media in Korea but very few if any of them primarily concern Nazi germany. I’m a similar sense, very little of the ww2 related media in the west centers the crimes of imperial Japan. I can speak from very personal experience that the average American is pretty ignorant of imperial japans crimes during ww2 and I was just explaining that the reverse is true in Korea. Chaeyoung and most Koreans do have a passing knowledge of Nazi Germany, but their cultural memories of ww2 are very different from yours. They were likely not reading the boy in the striped pajamas. And if you don’t see how the Nazis image has been inaccurately represented by media the best example I’d give you is that shown in say, Inglorious Basterds. Hans Landa in that film is evil, diabolical, and clearly shown to be a bad person. Yet he is also charming, cool, deadly, and fondly remembered as one of the best parts of the film. This is not a problem of media literacy because how a film presents their antagonists matters. I’m not stating my opinion. This is how the film is remembered. Despite Nazis universally being portrayed as evil, our media has undeniably taken influence from Nazi propaganda. Deadly, well organized, and scary is how they wanted to be seen. Regarding Chaeyoung, I was merely pointing out that just watching media about ww2 does not paint an accurate picture of its cultural memory in the west. And as for your statement that I’m making excuses for Chaeyoung: there’s a pretty fine line between justifying someone’s actions and seeking to understand them in my book. I know that’s pretty rare on the modern internet but that’s just how I see things. My view as I stated pretty clearly is that Chaeyoung did a stupid thing because she is a rich girl out of touch with common culture, and likely thought herself above it. That’s a lot harsher than I think her fans are willing to be. I don’t think that’s an excuse, but the distinction between that and the other accusations being thrown around is important which is why I shared my thoughts on it.
this happening after the week long U.S. promotions is crazy. like as more Kpop groups are targeting the western market than these companies/idols absolutely needs to do the due diligence of vetting the clothes they wear, what they post and avoiding slurs, or run the risk of completely alienating ur intended market. also the fact that tzuyu had to apologize on video for holding her country's flag at 16 while chaeyoung just posted a lil message saying "sorry I didn't know" makes me even more mad about the situation.
Comparing Tzuyu to Chaeyoung is honestly so unfair. TZUYU having to apologize for unknowingly making a stance on an ongoing geopolitical issue ( which is still at the threat of war) by waving thr flag of her home country is very different from what Chaeyoung is going through. Though the mistake that was made was by Chaeyoung was careless the ramifications of the flag incident were far more severe. The apology video was in an effort to protect Tzuyu. In this case it is not necessary.
@@jordantamah9408 You're so unbelievably ignorant to think that what chaeyoung wore isnt even MORE wrong and punishable than what tzuyu did. TMZ just ran an article about chaeyoung's shirt.. and you'll soon see antisemitism and nazi symbols are EXTREMELY severe in the US and twice will be much more impacted, especially since clearly their main focus is now US and japan. They should have been eduacted about WW2
As sad as it is, twice career in the US is DONE now.
@@jordantamah9408 Bearing the flag of her country is not nearly as bad as endorsing dangerous lunatics and f*cking Nazis.
@@JDsayslolnot really. Chaey apologised and learned from her mistakes. I have seen that many Jews forgive her . I heard also that JYPE will let Chaey in hiatus
what rly does it for me is the fact that she walked around NYC (who has a large jewish population) and went to a jewish owned restaurant with this shirt. like just the idea of her wearing that symbol out and about in the US makes me feel so queasy. now, american news outlets are reporting it and honestly im worried for the rest of the group bc that’s honestly such a career ruining move (esp during US promotions and in the wake of a US leg of a tour). i rly rly hope this teaches JYP a lesson bc shit like this should not be happening. if kpop companies want to reach a global audience, they have GOT to start be more mindful of these things. there’s so much the “they didn’t know” excuse can do before u start to wonder if kpop idols even care at all abt educating themselves on important issues.
This !!
It's a freaking t-shirt..Please stop helping right wing extremists with this weird moral crusade. If you had any ounce of actual outrage about this you would rather be using your comments in spaces were they say the Holocaust didn't happen and where they plan white ethnostates rather than focusing on a t-shirt literally designed to make you mad to prove a point about how we get mad about the wrong things..
Fr smh
but their tour sold out already and add show im shock people move on already
They not really gonna learn cuz they are making the most money ever, biggest tour and most album sales, winning in music shows after 2 years, their fans are so loyal, it’s like a cult, they’ll bury dead bodies for twice.
What aggravates me the most is the way that this is handled. Jihyo got called out for dressing up as a VERY stereotypical Native American- they never even addressed it. Chaeyoung publicly wears the most famous genocide symbol- we get a generic half-a$$ed apology. Tzuyu (a foreign member!) has the audacity to raise her own flag and was forced to read an apology letter, dressed in black, at the verge of tears, intimidated and scared and only 17 years old. What the hell.
@@wasea It's perfectly valid to bring up the mistreatment of Tzuyu, like it or not. Why? Because not only is it incredibly hypocritical of JYP to traumatize a teenager for doing absolutely nothing wrong, just for his own political brownie points, and then letting a grown adult who actually did something wrong get off with a terrible, one-paragraph, cooke cutter "apology" that she didn't even write herself, but it also makes perfect sense to continue bringing it up because, lest you forget, JYP has never publicly apologized to Tzuyu. Not once. So sorry if holding him accountable for his own actions makes you uncomfortable, but I have the tomatoes ready & waiting. They went bad a long time ago, but hopefully that just means they'll hurt more.
@@xviper2kLol JYP wasn’t even doing it for political brownie points. Do you see twice being a super well known group in China? No you don’t. The reality is JYP did that as a marketing tactic to rally people with no political understanding of the conflict to Twice. Chinese netizens that actually gave a shit about Tzuyu thought the apology was trash too and wanted one from JYP because they understood Tzuyu was just a 16 year old manufactured idol that had little to no say in what she was made to do. It certainly didn’t make twice popular in China because people didn’t like her apology there either. All it did was twist the narrative into “poor little 16 year old, let’s support her group” since most people have no real understanding of the true history between Taiwan and China or what the catalyst of the actual situation was (because at first it wasn’t about the flag at all, it was only after this Taiwanese celebrity made stuff up about what Tzuyu said that people actually became riled up).
@@waseaShe could literally do what Tzuyu was forced to do, she's a grown ass adult and knows the severity of what she has done, it wouldn't be as humiliating as when Tzuyu did it
If she'd been a celebrity in Germany, she'd get cancelled to the moon and back
She messed up and she should face consequences. If you defend her you are part of the problem.
LOUDER!!
3:30 I am an American myself & I've no knowledge of the "Rising Sun Symbol." I literally paused this video & went to search it up on my own because I wasn't taught of such in school, nor have I heard of the said symbol until now. This is living proof that not everyone is educated in the same way & that we shouldn't be so quick to jump to conclusions. I'm not defending Chaeyoung's actions, but let's not be so hard on her & try to be at least a bit more understanding during this mayhem. I truly do hope that she (& other idols, celebrities, etc. as well) take initiative & try to educate themselves about sensitive topics ESPECIALLY when they're due to promote/perform in foreign countries. This entire situation could've been avoided if she were well-informed. I hope nothing like this happens again.
Well you’re comparing the American public education system with South Korea, where students in SK perform much better. I’m pretty sure a conflict as big as WW2 was taught and she knows
@@joemiler8645 That's not the point. It goes to show that different areas of the world are selective on what parts of history they're willing to expound upon during a student's studies. It's more than likely that South Korea's studies center the subject of their independence from Japan during WWII rather than the tragedy that took place in Germany. It's logical that they'd talk about something they'd experienced first-hand & were affected by directly more often than an incident that they hadn't been directly affected by. Regardless of what Chaeyoung should have been informed about, she missed most of school due to her being a trainee & becoming an idol. Even if the topic of the Holocaust was covered at the school that she was attending, she probably wasn't present to learn about it. Who are you to say what she knows?
That’s crazy cause I’m also American and we learned about the Rising Sun symbol 😅 And I’m in the South, where they do their absolute hardest to censor history 💀 What you’re forgetting is she’s South Korean. You can’t compare American schools to Korean ones because the different level of involvement. The US helped greatly in WW2 & in the aftermath, however our mainland wasn’t touched by it. The same cannot be said for Korea. I also feel like it’s important to note that Korea is one of the many countries that celebrate Holocaust Remembrance Day, so the likelihood she genuinely didn’t know is very small. I 100% think management told her to say she didn’t know so people would play the “oh she’s just oblivious girl” card they do whenever grown idols do something like this.
@@letsalllovelein it didn't only take place in Germany so that part didn't make sense. It happened in other countries like Japan, SK should still know about it
@@letsalllovelein But koreans DO learn about WWII, so there is no excuse.
y’all are so..☠️
of course they teach this is korea it’s called WORLD war 2 for a reason..? and actually korea WAS involved in the war since they actually declared war on Japan and Germany.. yall need to stop babying your idols as if they don’t know anything ☠️
i do not belong to any of the affected people who suffered under the symbol, but i still don’t know how to feel about this. this is so deplorable and while i don’t think she’s part of any hate group, an artist at her calibre should DEFINITELY know better. given that the group have been pushing us promotions heavily for this comeback, at least somebody in her periphery would have said something about her shirt. i’m incredibly surprised that she was nyc wearing that the entire day and NO ONE, be it manager, friends, whomever she was with, etc brought attention to this. the entire situation is very unfortunate
she could’ve easily gotten jumped or worse in nyc for this, have no idea what was going through her head
We've had literal hundreds of cases of anti-Asian hate crimes in the US over that past couple of years. NYC has some of the highest profile incidents, including murder attempts. This really isn't the time for this sh*t, not that there ever really is.
so it proved that many people do not know about the symbol. Not everyone learnt the same thing, even the haters that are jumping, I am sure many of them do not know it until this incident, they just hate for the sake of hating and this video added fuel into fire.
@@dubu007 sooo shes just dumb?
@@idkanymore12 jumped by whom? lmao. A random Jewish person is not gonna likely assault her for wearing a Sid Vicious shirt, much less anyone else.
I had never seen the logo or heard of QAnon before this so I wouldn’t be surprised if neither she nor the stylist knew about it, since it’s an American movement, but the swastika is hard to excuse 😕
same! even as an American I had no idea about the QAnon logo. (and agree with you)
@@nabicore Remember that guy with the fur, horns and spear storming the capitol on Jan 6th? His nickname is the "Q-Anon Shaman."
The Qanon shirt obviously not Chaeyoung's fault but the Chaeyoung insta post t-shirt is. People saying that she "wouldn't know" that that symbol is associated with nazism is insane to me. Like, she went to school?? She definitely was taught about WWII. She clearly knows what she meant but decided to wear it regardless (on at least twice occasions, posted to her public insta account) probably bc it's a cool vintage shirt from sid vicious (who is an awful human being btw). I'm not Jewish, so it isn't my place to forgive, but it's insane someone can be so indifferent to such a large mark in history that has hurt so many people. Also, girl would've been arrested if she was in certain European countries so yeahh
Oh yeah, isn't Sid Vicious a murderer? Like he murdered his girlfriend Nancy?
Do you think the swastika was made by nazis?
You went to school, so do you know what the Japanese did in the Southeast and East Asian countries? How many westerners are wearing the japan rising sun symbols? Do you think that every country need to follow the western education and learn the same thing? The world does not revolve around westerners.
Trust me, i was NEVER thought about WW2 in my whole life.
@@Jeongyeongiloveyou you just dumb then
The casual downplaying of Nazism by certain kpop fans who think the sun shines out of Chaeyoung's ass is the thing I find most worrying of all tbh.
Lmaooooo so true!!!!
The casual downplay of Swastika from other people is also worrying
It has different meaning across various countries
Just cause Hitler and Nazis being bishes plagiarized a symbol which actually is very positive symbol in the east shows how y'all are also being xenophobic
We all have made CHAEYOUNG accountable but saying she is NAZI for wearing a SID VICIOUS shirt is even worse tbh and refuting possible confusions regarding the symbol is just hate mongering
@@Sivzram but she doesn’t just have fans in Asia, she has fans all over the world and needs to understand that some things that are fine in some parts of the world are fine in every part of the world. Also the manji, sits on its side, the nazi swastika sits on a corner. There’s a difference and people need to know how to differentiate them. Clearly chaeyoung, a grown woman, knows that it wasn’t a “religious symbol”. It’s a fascist symbol representing Nazi’s and the eradication of Jewish people in Germany.
@@Sivzram and cut the “xenophobia” bullshit because y’all are downplaying the holocaust like it wasn’t a big deal. WWII is also the reason South Korea separated itself from communism and from North Korea so stop trying to defend it by saying “you’re pushing western history in Asia.” It was a WORLD WAR AS IN THE WHOLE WORLD!!!!!!!! KOREANS LEARN WORLD HISTORY BUT ITS ALSO A PIVOTAL POINT IN THEIR OWN HISTORY!!!!! Y’all wanna sit there and act so stupid it’s embarrassing truly
@@SlayerJoe I understand and I agree that's why the fans made her accountable
CHAEYOUNG and the AGENCY both apologized plus said they will make sure it won't happen again
I believe she will be more careful but at the end is up to you to accept her apology or crucify her
Yet again my issue is Swastika being thrown around as just as NAZI symbol when it has variations which is related to much more positive sides
She’s clearly clueless and she kind of gives off airhead cheerleader vibes. Onces are going overboard though defending her. They’re treating her like a baby needing their protection.
Not everyone follows america or cares about its politics, you guys are not the centre of the world, like even i didnt know wth qanon was, it was probs picked by stylists in typical fashion archive dump, which they scour through for live comeback stages
As for the so called nazi symbol most asians only know the original buddhist religion one, not the stolen western one, so no shit they wouldnt know, they arent taught in school because no one cares, esp when zions do the same thing to palestine.
Also the symbol was literally on a band members shirt called sid from pistols, obvs they wouldnt even notice as its a very popular shirt in general, its like when white people get random shirts with chinese words
I hate Nazis, fascists, and conspiracy theories more than anything in the world. I spend an unhealthy amount of time battling them. I have an anti-Nazi song on my channel. I get called a "sheep" regularly. But that said, I've been around long enough to think before jumping to conclusions.
I'm inclined to give Chaeyoung the benefit of the doubt and accept her apology at face value. This debacle says more about how commonplace these symbols are than it says anything about Chaeyoung specifically.
In the west we automatically associate the swastika with the Nazis because that's the only context we regularly see it in. That's simply not the same in the east. The swastika is a Buddhist symbol and is seen frequently. With that context, the "tilted swastika" explanation is perfectly reasonable. Regardless of her education on World War II, she probably doesn’t have the same automatic association that we have with the swastika in the west.
It's a Sid Vicious shirt. It's far more likely that she associated the shirt with a punk aesthetic. For all I know, she might actually be familiar with the Sex Pistols.
As far as the Q shirt goes, that's on the stylist, and while the Trump crazies are known all over, how well known is QAnon specifically outside of the west?
If she starts talking about "globalists" or "bankers" or "deloused clothing" or "wooden doors" or "cultural Marxism" or a "fourth reich" or the Rothschilds and George Soros or starts posting the numbers 14 and 88 everywhere, I'll be worried. I study these fascist pieces of shit and I know their dogwhistles, which are far more common and and alarming than outright displays of Nazi insignia. As for now, there are too many actual neo-Nazis and QAnon believers for me to want to waste time and energy on what was in all likelihood an unfortunate mistake.
I’m Korean and people in Korea don’t know qanon. I only know cuz one of my American friends is into learning about all that. Koreans have their own cults and political issues they focus on. Qanon was never mentioned in any big knet communities (and I looked it up too). It’s the same way that people in the west don’t know about the taegeuki crowd, which is Korea’s version of qanon.
Holy shit someone with a brain! The amount of black and white thinkers in this situation is so concerning and it’s no wonder why so many kpop fans are seen as drooling troglodytes. Most of them actually ARE. You’re one of the few logical ones I’ve come across.
I have an explanation for the Qanon shirt. Stylist probably saw the American flag printed on it and the phrase “we go all” and thought it was a nice phrase for the idol group. Stylist also was likely not informed of the meaning, Qanon is a American thing.
@@Belle_vie Yeah, that's what I figured. One thing that really bothers me about Americans is how many of us expect the whole world to know and understand what people in our country find offensive. Half of Americans don't even know what the other half finds offensive.
@@Belle_vie I’m American and I didn’t even know what q anon was until this week.
If anything, this shows you the true colors of the fandom. They don’t care about right or wrong.
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This honestly, idk what chaeyoung’s reasons were but the blatant? Ignorance? in this fandom and just fans of any famous person in general really comes to light during moments like these. Idk why ppl are trying to choose a side and arguing about it, what she did was wrong and making excuses is crazy.
The swastika is not exclusively a Nazi symbol. It is a Hindu tantric symbol in India and in Asia it is only tilted and considered Nazi in the West. The symbols history is thousands of years old and stolen by the Germans, it does not belong to Nazis who stole it. It is a Hindu symbol not a Nazi one. Ignorant people from the west need to grow the fuck up. Everything is not about you or your misuses of other people's ancient symbols. The Swastika is Indian not German. The swastika is used by Hindus and Buddhist for thousands of years, the Nazis do not own our culture just because they abused and misused it. The Nazis also used Crosses and Eagles and no one flips out when those symbols are still in use. Grow the fuck up and stop trying to demonize our sacred symbols because the Nazis wrongfully stole and used it. Or start applying the same cancel culture rules to crosses and eagles symbols which they used just as much as the Hindu tantric swastika. it is not evil in India and Asia so she would not automatically associate it with white western Nazis. It is an East Indian symbol, not a Nazi one. The thieves do not get to own it. It is Indian and Asian for thousands of years and that outweighs any Nazi use of it for five years. Stop hating on an Asian lady for not knowing that a Asian and Indian symbol that is still in wide usage in India and Asia, is shunned by some ignorant fools in the west who do not know it's true history or meaning or origins. it is not a Nazi symbol at all. Grow up haters!
I'm Jewish and Chaeyoung was my bias at the time before this happened. I remember seeing the post with her wearing it and feeling so angry and disgusted I wanted to cry. TWICE was the first group I stanned when getting into kpop and I used to be a huge once, but it's hard now. I can't consume their content anymore without being reminded of what she did. I get worried that the other members of TWICE have the same discriminatory beliefs as her off camera. You can't just forget something like that. But of course, many onces have left it in the past and forgotten already ater not even a year. I have gotten literal death threats from once on the internet just because I called them out for supporting Chaeyoung & tried to educate them on why her actions are wrong and inexcusable. And to those people who say things like "well I'm not Jewish so it's not my problem" you do not have the right to forgive an "apology" that wasn't for you. You do not have the right to ignore issues just because they don't directly affect you. Disgusting. Thank you for this video
i'm Jewish and i decided to be an ot8 once even after 5 years in the fandom, people say i'm not a real once completely ignoring my right to feel offended, even if I wasn't Jewish! it's exactly what you said, no one has the right to ignore things like that because it doesn't directly affect them.
some things to consider about the chaeyoung scandal (from a Korean’s perspective)
1. yes, she SHOULD have known. anyone and esp a celebrity w/ huge impact is responsible for knowing what that symbol stands for. she was fucking ignorant.
2. that doesn’t mean she “knew” and is a n@zi supporter because there’s a genuine possibility that she might not have known. is it ignorant? yes. very. but that’s different from being intentionally n@zi yet people are claiming she knew and intentionally did it. If she knew then why would she delete right away/apologize/& risk her & her group’s career in the west?
And she mentions that she doesn’t recognize the “tilted” swastika because the non-tilted one all over Korea is a Buddhist swastika and they look similar so if people don’t pay attention and are careless, unfortunately they can get confused. still her fault for being careless though.
3. ppl think it’s “not possible” for any human being to not know the Nazi symbol while plenty in the west do not know about the rising red flag which is “associated with Japan's wartime atrocities, and is comparable to the Nazi swastika” & use it for aesthetics
4. people say “it’s rare to find the tshirt so she went out of her way to find it” LOL there’s 300m copies of it in Japan where twice often goes to.
5. people tying this to the q-anon shirt are idiotic. 1. people in sk don’t know wtf qanon is? it’s a maga cult in the states but sk has its own political & cult problems to worry about 2. People in the west don’t know about taegeuki crowd which is Korea’s equivalent of qanon so how would Koreans know qanon??? 2. even some of my friends in America don’t know about the sign. 3. yet ppl this use as “proof”she’s a white supremacist neonazi alt-right member
6. focus on holding her accountable for not knowing instead of claiming She definitely knew about both the nazi symbol and q-anon. You aren’t mind readers. I bet a lot of you on stan twt didn’t know qanon or “we go all” tshirt until this issue.
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well said
Legit. There’s always such a discourse which ok - as it should. Everyone should correct and learn from experiences. That’s the way of the world. But the assumptions people reach are wild. And the efforts to protect her are also so unnecessary because it rubs people the wrong way and then she gets twice the hate
Tying the qanon shirt is not idiotic especially when both qanon and the swastika represent ignorance hate racism white supremacy & nazism, if they want kpop to be more present in the west/US they need to be made more aware and educated on the do’s and dont’s as they want us to do coming to their country regarding the rising sun or any thing considered offensive or disrespectful to Koreans
Agreed. It’s okay to say Chaeyoung should apologize for her mistake, but to claim that she did it intentionally to hurt her Jewish fans is going too far… 🫤 Don’t just ASSUME she knew. It’s never impossible for someone to be ignorant. Honestly, no Westerner I’ve met knows about the rising sun flag (despite Japan also being a major participant in WWII). It just seems like a double standard sometimes when it comes to what offensive symbols should be known.
It’s bad. But here’s the thing, She wore it and posted in social media. Even though it’s her own personal account, do you think their managers didn’t have to approve the post? Many people close to her should’ve noticed it too and told her about its meaning. I believe it’s proof that for some, this is not offensive or they don’t really know the meaning. Maybe it’s the culture in Korea. I’m not sure, but I for one, as an Asian, can wear that shirt while walking around our community and I’m 100 sure, less than 10% of the population here will say that’s offensive or something. But it doesn’t mean it’s not bad. I’m just suggesting that we should not always look at a situation in a Western’s culture POV. Also, attacking her and giving threats won’t fix what she did. Using this situation in fanwars is also disgusting. For now, let’s just observe if her future actions truly reflects her apology.
It depends in the country tbh I myself admit to being ignorant but good thing I'm not a celebrity.
The swastika is not exclusively a Nazi symbol. It is a Hindu tantric symbol in India and in Asia it is only tilted and considered Nazi in the West. The symbols history is thousands of years old and stolen by the Germans, it does not belong to Nazis who stole it. It is a Hindu symbol not a Nazi one. Ignorant people from the west need to grow the fuck up. Everything is not about you or your misuses of other people's ancient symbols. The Swastika is Indian not German. The swastika is used by Hindus and Buddhist for thousands of years, the Nazis do not own our culture just because they abused and misused it. The Nazis also used Crosses and Eagles and no one flips out when those symbols are still in use. Grow the fuck up and stop trying to demonize our sacred symbols because the Nazis wrongfully stole and used it. Or start applying the same cancel culture rules to crosses and eagles symbols which they used just as much as the Hindu tantric swastika. it is not evil in India and Asia so she would not automatically associate it with white western Nazis. It is an East Indian symbol, not a Nazi one. The thieves do not get to own it. It is Indian and Asian for thousands of years and that outweighs any Nazi use of it for five years. Stop hating on an Asian lady for not knowing that a Asian and Indian symbol that is still in wide usage in India and Asia, is shunned by some ignorant fools in the west who do not know it's true history or meaning or origins. it is not a Nazi symbol at all. Grow up haters!
Want to know what's sad? Now that Chaeyoung wore the shirt, people on Etsy and similar sites are now selling replicas of it... and they are selling out fast. That's taking being a fan to a whole new level and shows just how much influence idols can have on their fans. This is why when an idol does slip up, it isn't just something that can be brushed under the rug with a simple apology anymore. Part of being famous is understanding that you do have influence over other people whether you like it or want it or not. Not anymore when K-Pop is having such a big cultural relevance.
And, yes, the authentic version of this shirt is incredibly rare and does cost upwards of $500 for an authentic one, which I assume hers is because the authentic/original one is cropped.. newer versions tend to replace the swastika with a heart and are printed on a full size shirt. The shirt is absolutely something you have to search for. It could just be Chaeyoung likes the Sex Pistols and didn't understand the relevance of the rest of the shirt, but this really doesn't seem like something the stylist did (if it was the stylist, JYP would have said so since it would take the heat off Chaeyoung herself) and it's verrrryyy unlikely for it to be a total coincidence. But it's up to every K-Pop fan and consumer to make their own judgement call on it.
I just think it's even more heartbreaking that people are buying replicas of this just because Chaeyoung wore it even though they know all now definitely know the significance of it now.
Eventually Kpop is going to tear America apart. I'm sure of it. Do not have any confidence in American teens or American education. As we all can see, American teens are so impressionable and easily swayed. It is not the fault of the education system though. It's all because of Kpop idols and their evil schemes. It's all downhill from here.
The swastika is not exclusively a Nazi symbol. It is a Hindu tantric symbol in India and in Asia it is only tilted and considered Nazi in the West. The symbols history is thousands of years old and stolen by the Germans, it does not belong to Nazis who stole it. It is a Hindu symbol not a Nazi one. Ignorant people from the west need to grow the fuck up. Everything is not about you or your misuses of other people's ancient symbols. The Swastika is Indian not German. The swastika is used by Hindus and Buddhist for thousands of years, the Nazis do not own our culture just because they abused and misused it. The Nazis also used Crosses and Eagles and no one flips out when those symbols are still in use. Grow the fuck up and stop trying to demonize our sacred symbols because the Nazis wrongfully stole and used it. Or start applying the same cancel culture rules to crosses and eagles symbols which they used just as much as the Hindu tantric swastika. it is not evil in India and Asia so she would not automatically associate it with white western Nazis. It is an East Indian symbol, not a Nazi one. The thieves do not get to own it. It is Indian and Asian for thousands of years and that outweighs any Nazi use of it for five years. Stop hating on an Asian lady for not knowing that a Asian and Indian symbol that is still in wide usage in India and Asia, is shunned by some ignorant fools in the west who do not know it's true history or meaning or origins. it is not a Nazi symbol at all. Grow up haters!
In my opinion, I think chaeyoung might have known about the swastikas symbol but not put as much importance on it. As someone who grew up in Western Africa, I knew about the swastika symbol, but me drawing it somewhere wouldn't make heads turn. It's not until I came to Canada that they really implemented in schools to not portray an image like this under any circumstances. I guess for chayoung, it might've been similar. Although, I think she should've done her research on these things, especially in the day and age we are living in. She is not living under a rock and has access to the internet. Especially when you are touring in North America, come on!
The swastika is not exclusively a Nazi symbol. It is a Hindu tantric symbol in India and in Asia it is only tilted and considered Nazi in the West. The symbols history is thousands of years old and stolen by the Germans, it does not belong to Nazis who stole it. It is a Hindu symbol not a Nazi one. Ignorant people from the west need to grow the fuck up. Everything is not about you or your misuses of other people's ancient symbols. The Swastika is Indian not German. The swastika is used by Hindus and Buddhist for thousands of years, the Nazis do not own our culture just because they abused and misused it. The Nazis also used Crosses and Eagles and no one flips out when those symbols are still in use. Grow the fuck up and stop trying to demonize our sacred symbols because the Nazis wrongfully stole and used it. Or start applying the same cancel culture rules to crosses and eagles symbols which they used just as much as the Hindu tantric swastika. it is not evil in India and Asia so she would not automatically associate it with white western Nazis. It is an East Indian symbol, not a Nazi one. The thieves do not get to own it. It is Indian and Asian for thousands of years and that outweighs any Nazi use of it for five years. Stop hating on an Asian lady for not knowing that a Asian and Indian symbol that is still in wide usage in India and Asia, is shunned by some ignorant fools in the west who do not know it's true history or meaning or origins. it is not a Nazi symbol at all. Grow up haters!
I believe the QAnon shirt could've been a stylist’s mistake, maybe an honest oversight. This is just too much, especially since she's uploaded pictures wearing that very same shirt before. I don't care if this sounds too harsh: Chae, do better.
The swastika is not exclusively a Nazi symbol. It is a Hindu tantric symbol in India and in Asia it is only tilted and considered Nazi in the West. The symbols history is thousands of years old and stolen by the Germans, it does not belong to Nazis who stole it. It is a Hindu symbol not a Nazi one. Ignorant people from the west need to grow the fuck up. Everything is not about you or your misuses of other people's ancient symbols. The Swastika is Indian not German. The swastika is used by Hindus and Buddhist for thousands of years, the Nazis do not own our culture just because they abused and misused it. The Nazis also used Crosses and Eagles and no one flips out when those symbols are still in use. Grow the fuck up and stop trying to demonize our sacred symbols because the Nazis wrongfully stole and used it. Or start applying the same cancel culture rules to crosses and eagles symbols which they used just as much as the Hindu tantric swastika. it is not evil in India and Asia so she would not automatically associate it with white western Nazis. It is an East Indian symbol, not a Nazi one. The thieves do not get to own it. It is Indian and Asian for thousands of years and that outweighs any Nazi use of it for five years. Stop hating on an Asian lady for not knowing that a Asian and Indian symbol that is still in wide usage in India and Asia, is shunned by some ignorant fools in the west who do not know it's true history or meaning or origins. it is not a Nazi symbol at all. Grow up haters!
My daughter is super upset at Chaeyoung. She thinks she is deliberately acting ignorant about it. She also said her apology is not sincere and her writing doesn’t show her understanding of her mistake. I think Chaeyoung needs to come out and own up her mistake. Her stupid mistakes will make others dislike Twice, especially Twice is about to have a world tour. Someone needs to educate JYP as well as the idols.
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@@richelabucay4184 my daughter is not anti. Please don’t call people name. She is a once. However, it’s regrettable that her company can’t do a better job on crisis management. If Once really cares for Twice’s reputation, they should not go around call people name. Instead, they should do their best to express empathy on this matter. It doesn’t help to agitate audience especially for the sake of their move to the western music world. This matter is more serious than Korean viewers think. JYP made Tzuyu recorded a video to apologize even for a non legit reason (she can’t wave her own country’s flag to appease Chinese). How come in this matter, Chaeyoung can’t sincerely apologize for her not once but multiple times mistakes? I am saying this as a once too. I don’t like to see Twice’s effort to the western music industry in vain. I remember previously Tzuyu also had an issue of wearing an inappropriate graphic shirt. I feel as an international girl group, JYPE should have learned lessons on this, not exposing their artists for any more of the future criticism.
@@sl5515 bro stop lying hahahaha
her writing is sincere wtf
@@ihearttwucee 6 sentence apology for wearing a hate symbol does not seem sincere. tzuyu, as a minor made a 1 minute and 20 second apology for something she didn’t even have to apologize for. her apology was lazy & rushed. learn to hold your idols accountable.
she going out like that in nyc and la is crazy cause she could’ve been beaten up
I’ve seen some people say that hers is an offbrand version of the shirt because hers is a t-shirt when the original one selling for $500 is a tanktop
also not defending her and the price does not change the fact she wore it, but I wanted to mention this
It’s like y’all think she intentionally wore that shirt knowing damn well it would trigger some people, yet she has a public, VERY PUBLIC, image to worry about. I read that she went to a Jewish restaurant. If she was actually knowledgeable about the Swastika and it’s impact on the Jewish community, do you actually think she would wear it? What would happen to Jewish Once’s? You think she’d intentionally hurt them?
as an Asian, I didn't know the Swastika symbol was offensive before I came to live the US. Apperanly some white college kids thought it's fun drawing swastika everywhere and I joined in with them because of my ignorance.
people don’t really think logically so they make the worst conclusion. Yeah she was ignorant and idiotic and should have apologized (which she did) but to say it was intentional and she joined a Nazi cult is…. A stretch.
i hate this discourse about her "innocence", literally ignoring the real problem. shes still gonna b rich and famous after this. and again this isn't about her personal intent or what she thought was right??? its about the people she affected. she didn't know that it was harmful ok, then that means she was ignorant. she didn't research anything about the imagery on that shirt, and proceeded to buy it for 500 dollars???? she didn't see that it was tagged with "kid vicious" and never researched ab him being very very problematic?? she didn't bc she was ignorant, so this is what she gets
@@kritsch okay let’s say your favorite band had a rising sun symbol on him and you wore that shirt to Korea. How would you feel if you suddenly got stones thrown at you like that?
I'm not a Once. But tbh I'm not gonna support this 'you deserve backlash for a genuine mistake and it doesn't matter how sorry you are' mentality. So if your boss yells at you for a mistake you made, it's called abuse. But when people shit on Chae for a mistake that she made, it's called 'holding her accountable'. Nah y'all the type of people to always manage to make yourselves victims. She apologized, said it was a mistake, and promised to correct her ignorance. Idk what more people expect or want from her, for real. And then you guys are the same people who cry and preach about idol mental health when they take their own lives. I just can't with the hypocrisy 💀💀💀
It was a genuine mistake. Chaeyoung's an idol, she would have not wore something controversial if she had known. But I guess we live in an era where even if you don't have negative intention, you can still get cancelled. 🤷
be fckin serious now
there's a difference between destroying an idol's mental health for stupid things, and giving them deserved remarks (not d3ath threats of course) but you can't just tell ppl to not get offended. "Always make yourselves victims" jewish onces are really offended, now go tell this to them.
hypocrisy my asss
Where did she promise to correct her ignorance? She did no such thing.
@@aspannas “I will absolutely pay attention in the future to prevent any situation from happening again.” Did you read????
But this has happened before with other Kpop idols you're telling me that none of these idols were aware of those other scandals give me a break
Many things to point out.
First she should learn a lesson from this, it is basic history, she must have totally skipped history in school to not have learnt it.
Second swatika is a Hindu symbol but it has a visual difference with hakenkreuz (the one chaeyoung wore, hakenkreuz is tilted but swastika is placed horizontally and in red colour)
Third swastika is commonly used in Hinduism, Buddhism maybe Jainism too(sister faiths of Hinduism) so seeing swastika is common on temples and monasteries, don't think we are advocating hakenkreuz by it.
Stylist should know better when buying merch having swastika on a tshirt will land you in hot soup too as it may offend too and hakenkreuz was too horrible to land on a dress wore by idol.
I hope Korean stylist and idols read more and don't make these mistakes again.
Note - I am a Hindu so I wrote this point that calling hakenkreuz a swastika is not good, you may seek more knowledge by googling.
Thank you. I apologize for my ignorance as in America we learn them simply as swastika. Still though, Chaeyoung shouldve known the symbol visually regardless just like I do.
@@nabicore it's okay I know in popular media it's used interchangeably so I wrote this comment to clarify a bit,if someone learns from it and rectifies in future, it would be good enough for me.
Thanks for acknowledging this Nabi.
@@nabicore not you apologizing for your ignorance, while Chae MUST know the symbol...great.
@@dubu007 Chae deiniftely should know the symbol regardless because we both learned the history. The history however has been blurred and the symbol is referred to as something different in different countries. that Doesn’t mean we suddenly don’t know the symbol.
@@nabicore "Chae deiniftely should know the symbol regardless because we both learned the history. "
How do you definitely know she learned the history? Were you there when she studied? Don't make claims that you don't know. Has she shown any Nazi or anit-sematic behaviour to you before?
Do you think she wore it knowing she would hurt many people, their fans and put her and her group's image and reputation down the drain?
She said she didn't correctly recognize the tilt of the symbol (hakenkreuz) and that she would never do it again.
What she did was very wrong and I hope she learns a hard lesson from this and educate herself but don't spread things you don't know.
tzuyu making a whole apology video for something that was not her fault but this 23 year old woman writing a 2 sentence apology does sit right with me
I was thinking the same thing
I feel like comparing the two situations is unnecessary and as a once it’s more important for us to hold Chaeyoung accountable vs compare her apology to Tzuyus horrible mistreatment … the intention behind her apology was probably genuine even if it was two sentences (she still needs to reflect on her influence and actions though)
@@jihyoxx nope it’s 100% necessary. chaeyoung doing something that was disgusting on multiple occasions and getting a slap on the wrist but tzuyu doing absolutely nothing wrong and having her film a video apologizing and taking a toll on her mental health for years afterwards. as a once you need to start actually holding them accountable when they do wrong things
@@pleasetouchgrass Nooo, I’m not saying that to baby what Chaeyoung did it was obviously messed up and obviously she deserves to be held accountable but there’s just no need to bring up Tzuyu’s traumatic experience over and over again for this arguement. Didn’t want to make it seem like I was fine with what Chaeyoung did, it’s obviously something she should be responsible for and something we can’t just ignore or blame on stylists☠️
The swastika is not exclusively a Nazi symbol. It is a Hindu tantric symbol in India and in Asia it is only tilted and considered Nazi in the West. The symbols history is thousands of years old and stolen by the Germans, it does not belong to Nazis who stole it. It is a Hindu symbol not a Nazi one. Ignorant people from the west need to grow the fuck up. Everything is not about you or your misuses of other people's ancient symbols. The Swastika is Indian not German. The swastika is used by Hindus and Buddhist for thousands of years, the Nazis do not own our culture just because they abused and misused it. The Nazis also used Crosses and Eagles and no one flips out when those symbols are still in use. Grow the fuck up and stop trying to demonize our sacred symbols because the Nazis wrongfully stole and used it. Or start applying the same cancel culture rules to crosses and eagles symbols which they used just as much as the Hindu tantric swastika. it is not evil in India and Asia so she would not automatically associate it with white western Nazis. It is an East Indian symbol, not a Nazi one. The thieves do not get to own it. It is Indian and Asian for thousands of years and that outweighs any Nazi use of it for five years. Stop hating on an Asian lady for not knowing that a Asian and Indian symbol that is still in wide usage in India and Asia, is shunned by some ignorant fools in the west who do not know it's true history or meaning or origins. it is not a Nazi symbol at all. Grow up haters!
As a jewish person I acknowledge that Chaeyoung most likely was unaware of the meaning of the swastika as it does not make sense that she would sacrifice her public image to wear it if she did not have a full understanding of the harmful symbol. But nether the less this is a massive screw up from her and it really amazes me that she managed to get away with wearing it three times. If she did this in a european country she would probably get beaten up or even arrested, only highlighting how much of a f*ck up this was. My relatives were not murdered and put through suffering for it to be a ‘cool fashion choice’ and it is really upsetting to see.
She almost certainly was, everyone in Korea knows about the Nazis, the thing about Korean culture is, if something doesn't offend Korean people specifically people don't care. This is why, despite people knowing blackface, saying the n-word, cultural appropriation, mocking desi culture, etc is bad but still do it over and over again. The Holocaust didn't directly affect Koreans so lots of people don't care about wearing the symbol, lots of k-pop idols have used it for fashion and not one has every had their careers ruined ir even slightly damaged
As a hong kong er, i can confirm this symbol is never taught in Asia education at least in hk
"But she apologized" that 3 line apology ain't much of one, I know you love your faves but you actually have to hold them accountable. The reason scandals like this even still happen is because there are too many fans who still sit and say "well they apologized" after a clearly half-assed apology by either the idol or the company. The industry doesn't learn, it deflects and hopes you forget.
I am more concerned about her going to Jewish restaurant wearing swastika symbol t-shirt 😮
Bro literally stop acting like ur the victim of the n@zis like literally no one has the right to demand an apology from her bro
Well you don’t have to forget if you don’t want to. You don’t have to accept an apology. You can continue to criticize her for her actions. But her apology is exactly what a normal apology is supposed to be. Either believe it or don’t. Is there a rubric she should go by for you to accept her apology? Just stand by the fact that you don’t forgive her.
@@Taejiu I mean I remember a couple of kpop scandals. There’s plenty of idols I stopped supporting but I don’t bring it up unless I have more to criticize than I already have. But if someone still wants to criticize a certain scandal, they’d be in the right to do so. Chaeyoungs scandal is new, so that’s why it’s a big topic now. What would there be to say about it even 3 months from now? As long as she doesn’t do it again. You’re not gonna get the accountability you want on the internet. Backlash is the only consequence that really happens. How are fans supposed to hold her accountable? A lot of us have admitted she was in the wrong. She has also acknowledge she was wrong. That’s accountability in simplest terms. It’s not like people have collectively forgiven Chaeyoung
@@Taejiu and what about ww2 have the Koreans learned about. You tell me. Cause I’ve seen some say they barely know about the European side of it, and I’ve seen some say they know. What is it they know about the nazis? How has the sk government framed their education around ww2? how long is the curriculum on nazis and which part did Chaeyoung attend class for. It’s very possible for Chaeyoung to not know. And her actions are still wrong, regardless if she didn’t know. Just don’t presume that everyone has the same knowledge background.
i feel bad because now the whole group will probably lose fans and this is bad because they just had a comeback.
Sorry but how did jyp or chae not know especially after the g friend scandal 💀
The most important thing is,
She went to Jewish restaurant wearing swastika symbol t-shirt.
And she has also wore white supremacy shirt two days back.
I can give her a chance provided that for the past 8 years ,she has kept her image pretty unproblematic, never used n word like many others famous idols who got away with it and never discriminated against fans or shown racist tendencies, but that doesn't mean she shouldn't get backlash for that totally ignorant and irresponsible action,. it was well deserved and she should take it as a lesson and it will take time to regain her image. will I cancel her next time if it again happens? Yes!. but do I think it is unnecessary for antis and BP fans and some other fandoms dragging it on so they can vent out their frustration because they don't want twice to succeed? Absolutely
ppl arounding her without telling her is the real problem
I'm a blink but I never hated on any twice members and I also don't hate chae for this action. As you mentioned, she never did anything problematic,it's the first time. We are humans and we make many mistakes, our knowledge about stuff is also different from others. Like she must have not known about this before that's why she posted the pictures twice. But what matters the most is that she apologized. It seemed quite sincere so people should try and forgive her just this once atleast. Also it's very common for blinks and once to hate on each other's idols so even if you say it, they won't listen.
@@CharlotteMayJane That‘s a very kind reply, thank you! I think fans should always remeber that we stan an idol is for the joy they bring to us and getting motivation by them. Not for being rude to others. I'm an once and I will go to check Jisoo's new solo, I like her so much! Cheers
The swastika is not exclusively a Nazi symbol. It is a Hindu tantric symbol in India and in Asia it is only tilted and considered Nazi in the West. The symbols history is thousands of years old and stolen by the Germans, it does not belong to Nazis who stole it. It is a Hindu symbol not a Nazi one. Ignorant people from the west need to grow the fuck up. Everything is not about you or your misuses of other people's ancient symbols. The Swastika is Indian not German. The swastika is used by Hindus and Buddhist for thousands of years, the Nazis do not own our culture just because they abused and misused it. The Nazis also used Crosses and Eagles and no one flips out when those symbols are still in use. Grow the fuck up and stop trying to demonize our sacred symbols because the Nazis wrongfully stole and used it. Or start applying the same cancel culture rules to crosses and eagles symbols which they used just as much as the Hindu tantric swastika. it is not evil in India and Asia so she would not automatically associate it with white western Nazis. It is an East Indian symbol, not a Nazi one. The thieves do not get to own it. It is Indian and Asian for thousands of years and that outweighs any Nazi use of it for five years. Stop hating on an Asian lady for not knowing that a Asian and Indian symbol that is still in wide usage in India and Asia, is shunned by some ignorant fools in the west who do not know it's true history or meaning or origins. it is not a Nazi symbol at all. Grow up haters!
Chaeyoung apologized for “not correctly recognizing the meaning of the tilted swastika”. That’s her truth. I accept that. I’m not gonna dispute it and say otherwise because I don’t know what’s in her heart. It’s unfortunate this happened.
It’s a learning moment. Both, Chaeyoung and JYPE have stated they would more thoroughly review their wardrobe moving forward. It may not be sufficient for many, but it’s the reality of how these companies operate. I know we expect better, but you have to decide for yourself. God Bless!
Agreed. I literally didn’t even know what that symbol was last year so I cannot say anything honestly. She owned it and apologized. I think JYPE should recognize if they want to go to the west they should do research like this
Everyone knows what a fucjing swastica is. She wore a shirt with a symbol that represents the largest genocide in history. Hold her accountable.
And no one around her knew about it either? I don't believe that.
@@aspannas so? My whole life no one ever talked about or even knew about WW2.
@@aspannas that just proves that a pretty large amount of people actually do not recognize it either
If she knew what she was doing, she would have never worn something so controversial especially since she's an idol. The fact that she apologised shows that she wouldn't have worn that if she knew.
Trynna cancel someone that has no negative intention is kinda shitty, don't you think so?
She's not a baby. She has worn that shirt before too. She apologized because it became international news
We can be disappointed. We can know that it could haunt Twice and ruin their chance at mainstream success in the US if it gets out. If the wrong industry people see it, it can get them blacklisted. If the wrong people on the street see it, it could get her hurt.
@@Mad-zx3me she didn't know, so she wore it before, when people pointed out, she was educated and know, so apologises, took away the posts and stop wearing it (probalby threw away as well), so what is wrong with wearing it before when she did not know.
@@Mad-zx3me She apologized/took it down before it became international news. like, if she knew what she was doing what the hell would she do something that would potentially ruin her/her groups career? unless she’s a crazy masochist that is and wanted to destroy herself.
@@Belle_vie it's become news already internationally American publications and publications in the UK have already done articles on it
I'll be honest... I don't think they are nearly as educated about the Holocaust as others in western countries. And personally in the American school systems I did not learn about the rising sun symbol. I went to an IB high school that had AP and college level classes. The one time we ever learned about the Japanese occupation in Asia was in history class where it was like two slides long, and it was just that they were pretty horrifying, but I do not recall learning the flag at all.
On the other hand, I believe if they want to promote in other countries where they have a lot of fans, it is important especially for the company to START LEARNING THEIR HISTORIES NOW IF THEY HADNT ALREADY YET FOR SOME REASON so they can at least prevent basic mistakes such as these. Companies should have the resources to educate their idols about the most basic shit or at least control them enough where they don't lose fans and therefore money
I was really surprised with the swastika shirt but find it hard to believe she didn't know. That is disappointing.
I love Chae but the situation is really serious, I think that even if we search for a reason for why Chae have that, I think the best we can do is held her accountable for what she did, so Chae inform herself before buying or posting to not do this again or her stylist(im referring to the Q shirt with the stylist), as well im not justifying this, what happened was messed up, I hope for Chae to investigate better. I feel some trends for example nine or none some can have the intetion of supporting the rest of Twice (at least this is what I feel) but i have seen as well this Is to clean the searches, the backlash Chae is getting have justification, I can get why people would stop stanning Twice or continue to stan but want to distance themselves from Chae, others still are ot9 holding Chae to learn, I think is up to them, i would not like if this damage the rest of the girls and I hope this doesn't affect them emotionally to the point of fear, there's is already people weaponizing this, not actually caring for affected people, in order to make a fan war, that's disrepectful. As a once this makes me feel a little conflicted for this.
Ps: I have been searching on twitter there is another longer apology thing happening and there is an account that altered it to create a fan war and that is the most viral tweet. This doesn't make what happened any better but still a little malicious.
The swastika is not exclusively a Nazi symbol. It is a Hindu tantric symbol in India and in Asia it is only tilted and considered Nazi in the West. The symbols history is thousands of years old and stolen by the Germans, it does not belong to Nazis who stole it. It is a Hindu symbol not a Nazi one. Ignorant people from the west need to grow the fuck up. Everything is not about you or your misuses of other people's ancient symbols. The Swastika is Indian not German. The swastika is used by Hindus and Buddhist for thousands of years, the Nazis do not own our culture just because they abused and misused it. The Nazis also used Crosses and Eagles and no one flips out when those symbols are still in use. Grow the fuck up and stop trying to demonize our sacred symbols because the Nazis wrongfully stole and used it. Or start applying the same cancel culture rules to crosses and eagles symbols which they used just as much as the Hindu tantric swastika. it is not evil in India and Asia so she would not automatically associate it with white western Nazis. It is an East Indian symbol, not a Nazi one. The thieves do not get to own it. It is Indian and Asian for thousands of years and that outweighs any Nazi use of it for five years. Stop hating on an Asian lady for not knowing that a Asian and Indian symbol that is still in wide usage in India and Asia, is shunned by some ignorant fools in the west who do not know it's true history or meaning or origins. it is not a Nazi symbol at all. Grow up haters!
Y'all taking this too far, like okay she took the blame for it and apologized, she learned a new thing and now knows to research and think before she wears something. As a 19 year old I didn't know anything abt the symbol or what it had and okay ppl got hurt by it and that's okay bc ye it's traumatizing but don't act like she did this on purpose bc she wouldn't do anything to ruin her image, I'm so done with y'all acting like we tryna defend her, it's not that it's just that when it happens to you bc you didn't know something and apologize and ppl still blame you for it and act like you did it on purpose you'll get it. Like y'all gotta stfu bc she acknowledged her mistake and deleted the pic, goodbye.
Yeah, some fans shouldn’t baby her and say that it isn’t her fault. But that’s just the norm in a lot of fandoms that they refuse acknowledge any wrongdoing. for the most part, fans have accepted that she messed up. I haven’t seen fans lie to defend her or be disrespectful to defend her, and Chaeyoung also responded appropriately, like how else is there to address this
You are 19 and you know nothing about the symbol..?? Where do you live? In 1920? Education goes *before* kpop 🤡
People can still be upset even if she apologized and deleted the photo. No one is obligated to forgive anyone, especially over something as serious as this.
@@gingerbread._.llama._. yeah offf with her head init, thats what zions do, crazy zionist people
sorry but im not sure what yall want her to do she obviously says she didnt know she wouldnt ruin her reputation for a shirt chaeyoung apologised she obviously didnt know
how can she not know when korea was litteraly involved in ww2??? why would korea not teach about something they were involved in
nah cuz other idols get dragged to the dust for "copying" other idols but she wears that and gets a slap on the wrist
This situation has just gotten out of control
chaeyoung wears a symbol of 1 of the biggest genocide in history and gets off with a 6 sentence apology and maybe a slap on the wrist
meanwhile her own coworker had to cry on camera as a teen and apologize to an entire violently nationalist country.
I’m still very mad and disgusted. And I can not and will not forgive a grown ass Woman for this insincere half baked apology. It baffles me how she got away with that sh!t…. She knew exactly what it meant. She just didn’t care or, even worse, support’s it’s meaning which I will not hope. It baffles me how she got away with that so easily. I couldn’t look at twice the same ever since and I don’t think that I will ever be able to do so
Honestly idk about the symbol either and only learn about it when I moved to America. So for Chaeyoung not to know about the symbol is possible cuz if she does knows I don’t think she would wears it & post it
what does the first W in WWII stand for?
@@wslaysnW stand for World
@@wslaysn World. What's your point?
They can't control what they are or are not being taught at school, no?
If people expect her to educate herself about the swastika symbol, then would it be fair if they also educate themselves about the swastika symbol? The swastika symbol did not originated from the Nazi. It has been used by Hinduism, Buddhism, and Jainism for thousand of years and it is a symbol divinity and spirituality. And this fact is widely known and the symbol is widely used in many Hindu and Buddhist temples in Asia. Furthermore, if anyone say that the Nazi ruined the swastika symbol, then explain to me when the KKK used the cross symbol of Christianity to commit despicable acts, why didnt people associate the cross symbol or criticized people for using it as negatively as the swastika symbol? Is it just because that Westerners dont even bother to learn or care about other cultures but their own?
We know where it originates, but we also know the difference between the one used in hinduism, buddism and jainism and know better than to use or wear the wrong one. we don't blame or punish those who use the original one, we are disgusted by those who use the hakenkruz because they should know better. Chaeyoung should have known better.
@@Doli702 The right-facing symbol (clockwise) (卐) is called swastika, symbolizing surya ('sun'), prosperity and good luck, while the left-facing symbol (counter-clockwise) (卍) is called sauwastika. There are also many variants of it like with or without the dots, etc. There is literally a variant that look exactly like the Nazi symbol. But regardless, I am just pointing out the hypocrisy of the West when a hate group stole an existing symbol like the cross by the KKK, the symbol does not affect by the negativity because most westerners know about it beforehand. But since swastika symbol is predominately in Asia and was stolen by another hate group and most westerners are ignorance of this, it will forever be associate with the hate group.
The rainbow was once a beautiful symbol but now it has been hijacked...
The simple answer is scope. The KKK is certainly deplorable, although her Q shirt is only about two notches off from a Klan hood, but they didn't wage a land war in Europe that cost the lives of tens of millions and reshaped the world in ways we still feel today. The problem is that both of these symbols are extremely specific today and are used to identify people who support those groups. The swastika in black on a white circle, in a field of red, only means one thing.
Hakenkreuz and Swastika look different. Also similar Symbols have been exising for Centuries in Europe the Nazis didnt directly took it from India. Also Jewish People are the ones that are upset Jewish People arent Western they actually are Asian to
The way onces babyed her and defend her disgusting
Well said. I don't buy the "it's not taught in Korea" As a Once, I DO NOT condone wearing ANY symbol of hate, at any time, by ANYONE including Chaeyoung!! She should know better as she's NOT a child and has been exposed to other cultures globally. Not a good look Miss Son Chaeyoung.
I feel like it's always easy to blame the team around her or her stylist, when she is indeed a grown adult that can consciously make decisions concerning her wardrobe in public. I just feel like as a celebrity it is even more important to be careful about things like this and especially think through wearing certain outfits in other countries, because you never know what could be offensive or not. So of course, I don't think she did it on purpose but it's on her for not being more aware and educated on this issue, especially since she wore this is in a jewish-owned restaurant. I'm from Austria and wearing a shirt like this in public would not only be highly offensive towards others but it could get you into serious trouble with the police, so I hope idols do better in the future and actually educate themselves before having to release half-assed apologies, sorry but also not sorry if that is harsh.
The swastika is not exclusively a Nazi symbol. It is a Hindu tantric symbol in India and in Asia it is only tilted and considered Nazi in the West. The symbols history is thousands of years old and stolen by the Germans, it does not belong to Nazis who stole it. It is a Hindu symbol not a Nazi one. Ignorant people from the west need to grow the fuck up. Everything is not about you or your misuses of other people's ancient symbols. The Swastika is Indian not German. The swastika is used by Hindus and Buddhist for thousands of years, the Nazis do not own our culture just because they abused and misused it. The Nazis also used Crosses and Eagles and no one flips out when those symbols are still in use. Grow the fuck up and stop trying to demonize our sacred symbols because the Nazis wrongfully stole and used it. Or start applying the same cancel culture rules to crosses and eagles symbols which they used just as much as the Hindu tantric swastika. it is not evil in India and Asia so she would not automatically associate it with white western Nazis. It is an East Indian symbol, not a Nazi one. The thieves do not get to own it. It is Indian and Asian for thousands of years and that outweighs any Nazi use of it for five years. Stop hating on an Asian lady for not knowing that a Asian and Indian symbol that is still in wide usage in India and Asia, is shunned by some ignorant fools in the west who do not know it's true history or meaning or origins. it is not a Nazi symbol at all. Grow up haters!
I’m going to be completely holding her accountable for wearing that shirt. But I believe to an extent that she was being genuine in the apology. If you think about it, why would Chaeyoung risk 8 years of a successful career just to wear a offensive shirt knowingly?
You are an idiot if you think she had even the slightest idea of what the shirt was or that she chose to wear the shirt and not her stylist.
WHAT? Can someone send me a picture or something?
i’m so sad. i try to give east asians grace when it comes to world history like people in the west don’t know much about the history of east and south east asian countries but something that needs to be considered is how western history/news/culture/etc… spread more worldwide than things related to other countries like i’m from an asian country and while i and most people know what’s going on in the US and europe because of how much these regions dominate in media but i wouldn’t expect someone from the US to know about my country, at the end of the day i wish everyone from whatever they are to consider to look into other cultures especially when they are borrowing from those cultures like if you wear a sid vicious shirt you must have an idea of who he is and what he represents and what the symbols he wore mean… i’m disappointed because a twice is a group that i stuck around for so long so this just makes me upset.
it's been a yr and I'm still not over this she should have been kicked out
With all the Koreans killed and world war II, I find it hard to believe that she didn't know what the symbol meant. She's also a 23-year-old woman
I am in no way defending her but the symbol she wore isn’t the nazi symbol it’s the Hindu Buddhist symbol symbolizing peace it originated in India and spread to south and Southeast Asia during the spread of Buddhism from India just cuz western people only know of a certain aspect of it doesn’t make the meaning of the absolute also the symbols nazis used wasn’t even swastika it was called hakenceuz
@@rudransh044 nope its a swatsticker. Not Hindu symbol.
@@richard6025 u clearly don't know much ... Search about the history of the word "swastika" itself the world itself translates to "peace" in the indian langauge sanskrit just cuz people of the west know Abt it as a hate symbol doesn't mean it was the same always ... Hitler , in his recorded life, never mentioned "swastika" he always mentioned "hakencruz" to refer to that symbol get ur facts straight and so some research
@@richard6025 that symbol is still very commonly used in parts of India , China , Japan , korea , Indonesia and Thailand cuz it's a sacred symbol for Hindus and Buddhists
@@rudransh044 your symbol is the opposite direction and not tilted. Are you saying that this was sticker EXACTLY the same as the symbol you're talking about. SID VICIOUS WENT FOR THE SHOCK FACTOR WOULDN'T USE A HINDU SYMBOL
Lol i didn't know what the symbol was still don't know its part of ww2 but alot of do not know what the means or represents also whats the rising sun?
the thing that gets me is that she bought the shirt and didn’t even question the print. Like even if I didn’t know what the sign meant i’d question it. Also how did she find the shirt in the first place because it’s not something you just stumble across online.
Sorry edited because I thought the t-shirt was more expensive than it was
She couldn't thought it was Swastika, not hakenkreuz. She did say in apology that she did not correctly recognize the meaning of the tilted swastika.
@@krayzielyrics yeah, it’s plausible that she really did get them confused. I’m just really confused on why no one noticed it, considering she wore it three times. I’m sure someone must have know what it meant, specifically since she wore it in an interview too.
@@paniceverywhere52 I get the time at the interview because the blouse she wore covered up 3/4 of the image so you couldn't really see the hakenkreuz form the photo and video I saw, just a bit of the bottom.
I other 2 times, I have no idea - maybe they didn't notice or didn't know how to present it? No idea how it got past so many people.
Wheres the shirt???
Asian people in general know Hitler was a bad guy but don't know why nor they care much about it, some of them find the Nazi style quite aesthetics. In Taiwan high school students threw a Nazi-themed Christmas parade. In Japan there are Nazi cosplays and Nazi-themed coffee. I also personally met a history-nerd, mainland Chinese kid who idolized Hitler for being a "genius war general".
It's not Chaeyoung's fault, Asian people are not well-educated on European history and the Holocault in general. Just like how Western people wouldn't know the Rising Sun symbol being the Swastika of Asia.
for the record, I didn't know the Swastika was offensive before I came to live the US.
Well Japan was axis so maybe I won't be surprised to see such cafe in Tokyo or Osaka but a ordinary Chinese kid admiring Hitler for being a great leader is different from chaeyoung no one gives a damn about a random Chinese or Japanese guy but chaeyoung is an idol, she should have known better and her apology isn't satisfying Jewish people so it's nothing we can do here.
I am Indian but WW2 history was prominently taught and we all know what a hakenkreuz signifies.
Korea is literally the most educated country in the world, the Korean War started because of ww2. WW2 started because of what was happening to the Jews. If she really didn’t know then she must be one dumbass. In Germany she would have been arrested. This ain’t just no goofy mistake
And Japan doesn’t teach about ww2 so that’s probably why.
Not a Swastika a Hakenkreuz and all of this things are horrible but dont compare South Korea to Japan. Japan was on Germanys Side during the War they dont properly teach their own History in School
I thought she didn't know what the shirt meant as I'm indian and we use this symbol alot of in our religions so do people in japan too for Buddhism but people on twitter were saying she wore this at a Jewish restaurant so I think she knows what it means if it's true she went to that establishment
In regards to the QAnon shirt, Chaeyoung is not at fault and the stylists need to research what they're putting on people before they put it on. Fashion is an industry where everything has some sort of meaning, and JYP stylists really need to recognize this so that this doesn't happen again. Second idol from that company now..
Now in regards to the shirt with the swastika on it. It'd be one thing if it was just a single time, but this is now the second time she's worn it? There's no way it's coincidental, and no way she has zero idea what it is. I really care about Chaeyoung and her well-being, but she really needs to understand that that symbol has a meaning and it's not okay to freely wear it around as if it doesn't represent oppressors that killed 8 million people and tortured at least double that amount just because of their beliefs.
And Onces need to wake up and stop with the disgusting, uncultured swine-like behavior. Maybe the QAnon reference isn't her fault, but ONCEs need to let her own up and take responsibility for the shirt containing the swastika. Like, do y'all realize how traumatizing it is for Jewish ONCEs to see her wearing that symbol? I strongly encourage the point Nabi made, that we need to step back and assess this as people, not as fans.
I honestly hope & pray that things like this stop happening.
Jewish people who went through the holocaust have all died
but do you seriously think that everyone will know this? Most of the time, education focus on what is more relevant to the country / region, so not every school teaches about the symbolism. Just like many westerners do not know that it is offensive to some Asians to wear the Japanese rising sun symbol.
@@dubu007right? we don‘t know to curriculum of her school. she was on sopa I think. For example in Turkey the almost only teach the turkish history in school.
@@dubu007 but notice they said this was her second time. u could probably say this claim if it was her first, but this is the second. by now she shouldve learned
STILL...both she and JYP MUST disavow ANY affiliation with QAnon. Being Q is worse than liking Sid Vicious.
Going to Jewish restaurant wearing swastika symbol t-shirt is another level of crazyness 😮
She also wore that to billiboard awards ceremony!!!!!!!
Like WTF.
Billboard, people magazine and TMZ made articles about the situation... There is no way that she can bounce back from this💀
Not only did she ruin her reputation but her members will be affected by the situation as well because they are at risk of getting blacklisted from the industry.
U mean from the west Korea they still famous the rest of Asia don't care about this scandal
The swastika is not exclusively a Nazi symbol. It is a Hindu tantric symbol in India and in Asia it is only tilted and considered Nazi in the West. The symbols history is thousands of years old and stolen by the Germans, it does not belong to Nazis who stole it. It is a Hindu symbol not a Nazi one. Ignorant people from the west need to grow the fuck up. Everything is not about you or your misuses of other people's ancient symbols. The Swastika is Indian not German. The swastika is used by Hindus and Buddhist for thousands of years, the Nazis do not own our culture just because they abused and misused it. The Nazis also used Crosses and Eagles and no one flips out when those symbols are still in use. Grow the fuck up and stop trying to demonize our sacred symbols because the Nazis wrongfully stole and used it. Or start applying the same cancel culture rules to crosses and eagles symbols which they used just as much as the Hindu tantric swastika. it is not evil in India and Asia so she would not automatically associate it with white western Nazis. It is an East Indian symbol, not a Nazi one. The thieves do not get to own it. It is Indian and Asian for thousands of years and that outweighs any Nazi use of it for five years. Stop hating on an Asian lady for not knowing that a Asian and Indian symbol that is still in wide usage in India and Asia, is shunned by some ignorant fools in the west who do not know it's true history or meaning or origins. it is not a Nazi symbol at all. Grow up haters!
I know the history but I don’t know the thing 🫠can someone explain
the hate group that used this symbol killed millions of jews and other minorities. this symbol is extremely antiemetic and should be worn
3:30 in the contrary the rising sun symbol (flag of imperial japanese army) actually got popular at some point in 2010s and was used for aesthetic, that was why koreans were enraged when they saw bella poarch having a tattoo of it which she claimed she didn't know was offensive as she didn't know the full history having lived in the other side of the world far longer than her time here in the philippines (which was another country affected by the japanese colonization, this time during ww2 so much more recent than the annexation of korea which started during the last years of the joseon dynasty).
As someone who is jewish, im just glad people are taking this seriously. Whenever someone wore a swastika or a star of david noone would care and never bring it up. Im glad she gettin the right attention cause this is serious. Thanks for the video nabi 💕
There are people who do not know the symbol, so now she and many others know, and she apologized. Yet, you are praising this video for spreading hate (in the guise of educating) and think that she is getting the right attention when some of them are hates and threats. I understand your hurt, but what you are doing is uncalled for.
@@dubu007 Nabi is just bringing light to this and explaining it for people who don't know about this yet. This doesn't effect you but me and thousands of other jewish kpop fans so dont act like the hate that she should rightfully get is wrong. And trust me the threats that people are making don't actually care abou jewish fans and just use it to hate. Dont come on a video where someone is respectfully talking about this and comment under a jewish fan who is rightfully hurt that what im doing is uncalled for. Its OUR apology to accept or not 💀
@@l.o..3368 i beg to differ about the video because of the aggressiveness in tone, I agree with the part that many people just use it to hate. That is what I mean about right attention you wrote, cos it is the wrong attention. She apologizes to those affected, it is up to you/them to decide, but not the other 90% who just jump on the hate train.
@@dubu007 you’re acting like pretty much the whole world wasn’t affected by what the nazis did, it wasn’t only Jewish people who were murdered, other religions were too, disabled people were and many other groups, along with the millions of innocent soldiers that died stopping them
Of course Jewish people are the ones mainly still affected by this today but do not downplay the disgusting things that that symbol represents
Girl you are FAST wtf 😂😂 I was on my way to school when I saw the post and now I've arrived and you've posted
its been like 10 hours pls
@@nabicore eh, efficiency is good 😂
Where is the swastika? Can't anyone print screen it?
I am a turkish guy who is soon to be graduated with engineering degree and I would not know the meaning of this symbol WWII is taught everywhere around the world but not with the same topics and someone who is not interested in those type of subject would not know the meaning I dont know if she is innocent but all I am saying is there is a really high chance she did not know.
This is so disappointing but it made me realize something I’m not shocked she didn’t know the symbol. History is taught different in many countries usually based around what events played a big role in the country being taught (or sometimes what history doesn’t make the country look bad) for example you ask most Americans about the raising sun flag and I’m going to be honest as a person who is in highschool now they won’t know what it means or represents I have the privilege to take an ap history class and also in the IB program so we purposefully go in depth with that topic but a low minority take ap and or IB classes in most schools. But looking at the standard ciriculum in America (I live in Florida so I’m going based off of that lol) you will only be taught about the holocaust Pearl Harbor and Hiroshima and Nagasaki and that’s it. This is also Florida where history is being censored constantly but i seriously doubt Florida is the only state like this. In a lot of other countries specifically the east the holocaust is taught like how americans are taught about slavery and or the Korean War a nice paragraph and maybe a page if you are lucky. This just made me realized how biased history is taught in almost everywhere and I really hope chae takes this lesson to learn more about the holocaust and other tragic important events in history I’m happy if people are able to read through this
Yeah I’m not against Chaeyoung getting criticism. I don’t like the ‘she’s grown, she should know better’ claim. Like whos to say what topics she’s been educated on, not everyone has the same background of knowledge. Yeah she’s grown, as a grown person, she can just apologize and remove the post
It’s true. I’m from Canada and I never learned about that symbol. We learned about ww2 and the Holocaust but not the disastrous effects
I’m in California schools and our “Californian” school district textbooks all talk about the rising sun, and the korean war and every part of ww2. i feel most american textbooks are the same
@@starrynightsomewhere that’s actually just objectively not true California also has a more left leaning government while governments like Texas and Florida Alabama and lot of the southern more right wing states genuinely go out the way to censor text books and fully leave out minorities parts in them it’s a sad truth 😞
But because of me becoming a fan of kpop I learned the rising sun was offensive to Koreans and is a big no no but they seem to lack the same respect for others when they know something is ignorant offensive or racist and do it anyway as if they don’t watch and emulate American culture particularly black culture so it’s not they don’t know but don’t care now it could be more on their team than the actual idols but I’m not buying they didn’t know, sometimes I think they intentionally like to do controversial things for attention and publicity knowing it’ll bring a lot of outrage so they get the pr apologies ready and then wait for the outrage to subside and the controversy to die down and pass til the next one smh
didnt even thought that in us wearing that symbol is legal like in most european countries she would be in jail
what else is she supposed to do after she apologised
I don’t understand the second shirt?
I'm not a chaeyoung fan so I'm not defending her but she may have been confused because if you go to bookstores in America (I dunno Europe) there are many WWII history books with the nazi symbol on them. Obviously a history book is different than clothes but it might be confusing for a person born in a asian country because its obviously OK to show the nazi symbol in many different places (history book covers, educational websites, wikipedia, movies, films) so they think its not totally taboo. I guess it could just be common sense but its not drilled to your head like it is if you grow up in a western country. Also ppl are acting like she just wore a shirt with a giant swastika on it. It was specificially a drawing of Sid Vicious wearing it which Chaeyoung might have thought it was OK because Sid Vicious was allowed to wear it? Also it was very small? I dunno, again, I'm not defending her but I'm just trying to understand her thought process.
😂😂😂
Gotta be careful not the throw your back out, stretching that far.
You guys are not really looking at her apology clearly. She said “twisted swastika” so this means she thought it was the religious part of the Buddhist. And for non-religious people the seastika in Buddhist means eternal or the footsteps taken by the Buddha.
The word swastika comes from the Sanskrit svastika, which means “good fortune” or “well-being.a sacred symbol in Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism, and Odinism.
if im being honest, i didn't even learn ab that in history. i had to ask many people what it meant
same
Some international fans' racism really shows when situations like this happens, they think Koreans and Asians in general are stupid, they lump us all together and call us all stupid, uneducated, etc
That’s clearly not the main point here that’s a whole different issue the main topic is about a swastika symbol which has a horrific history behind it lol. The thing your talking about is irrelevant.
It's not really racism, they're just doing it to defend her ignorance.
Jews ain't a race sweetie it's ethnic group.Stop throwing woke words around you do not know meaning of
@@genlita1034 I feel like that op is trying to imply that when an idol makes a mistake people are quick to brush it over the rug with the justification of “ Asians are uneducated they don’t know better por them”
It's not about being stupid. I'm asian and the sad truth is that a lot of Asian countries don't educate us on these matters. I'm about to graduate highschool soon and get fairly good grades in history,but this is my first time ever hearing of this. She should be held accountable but just wanted to point that out.
I don't see anything wrong with Chaeyoung wearing the Sid Visious shirt. Sid was non-politica(Nancy was Jewish)l and wore that shirt as a shock value and protest against the England establishment for trying to suppress Punk music during the 70s
Wtf I’m I reading are you brain dead 💀, mass genocide happened under that symbol
@@gingerbread._.llama._. what is wrong is that most americans are stupid and self centred and dont realise that the symbol is mainly associated with buddhism, not the stolen western one, so they wouldnt really know would they?!
For futur reference Q@non is pronounced "Queue anon" like just the letter Q followed by Anon. Hope that helps! Great video!
1. The swastika symbol has existed WAYY before h1tler hijacked it, and it’s called “hakenkreuz.” The fact that the terms are being used interchangeably is a problem.
2. You can’t say that there’s no excuse to being ignorant of the symbol and saying that everyone knows about it because I’m sure that there are countless people who don’t even know the symbol or even the event itself. It is not basic knowledge so don’t make it seem like it is. It’s completely possible that she doesn’t know the meaning behind the symbol.
3. If you say she deserves the backlash that she’s getting, does that also include people calling her a n@zi cuz if so then that is fked up.
4. Also, I’ve seen more onces holding her accountable than sweeping this issue under the rug. We have been vocal about how this was a stupid mistake that she has done but where we draw the line is when people call her all sorts of names and spread misinformation about the situation. Regarding the shirt? people have been saying that it is a very rare shirt so they’ve speculated that she intently digged up that shirt online or whatever but that’s a lie. One google search of the shirts name and there are a lot of results selling it, I can even buy one on etsy for about 20 bucks so no, she isn’t some psycho who wishes hate upon the jews by digging up that “rare” shirt and wear it on public to piss people off. She is simply an ignorant person who made a stupid mistake just like the normal human being.
Overall, pretty bad take but I respect some effort made I guess.
Wait whaaat? 3:35 Nazis never used the rising sun symbol. It was the Japanese. And they may have been “allies” but not once have they actually helped each other in the war. I know for a fact that not once did they fight side by side. Now if they actually did and invaded any asian countries together, that swastika would be more widely known in the east like you all assumed.
No she said at 3:35 “Not to use the rising sun symbol“ but she said it so quickly that it sounded like “Nazi use the rising sun symbol“ but thanks for this info though.
I wasn’t taught in my school and we don’t recognize it. Don’t just assume
don’t assume she wasn’t taught it then
how? my 5 year old nephew recognizes it
It happened she apologized..said she'll do better what more do you guys want even after her apologizing?
Hey guys . Please stop calling the symbol as 'swastika'. It's called the haukenkrauz which means hooked cross.
It's a hindu/Buddhist/dharmic symbol which symbolises good essence and it hurts me that people lump hindus and buddhist with nazis because of ignorance . Please stop calling us nazis .
Show some cultural appropriation.
Holy crap that ending was kinda hateful. I don’t think anyone is downplaying the anti-semitism. They’re just trying to explain how human she is and that everybody makes mistakes. I’ve not read one comment downplaying the atrocities of the Nazi Germany, but what was actually being downplayed are the atrocities of Imperial Japan towards the ASEAN, including Korea. Maybe open your mind a bit more to include that maybe Chaeyoung was innocent (meaning she was oblivious to the meaning of swastika in America) and that Americans are just so self-centered.
just bc i wasn’t coddling and telling her “we forgive you🥹” (when it’s not my places and many others don’t), doesn’t mean i’m being hateful. im frustrated
@@nabicore I’m not coddling her either. She’s learned her lesson and wants to be better. Isn’t that enough? Haters already give her so much shit. This is controversial event gave them a massive tank to shoot from. And it’s like you guys aren’t trying to understand her side. Why would she wear that with the intention to hurt people when she adores her fans? I didn’t even know how bad Nazi Germany was compared to Imperial Japan until I came to America. Because that’s what we learned from WW2. I’m pissed y’all are so self-centered and made the assumption that she has to know when she wasn’t even affected by Nazi Germany. She grew up seeing the Swastika as a religious symbol. Open your minds.
@@nabicorewell girl ur Mexican not Jewish stay out of it
@@user-ql4xz6sz6z exactly. I'm feeling dumb at the moment because I didn't know either. So thanks to these people for educating me about the symbol. Most people here are assuming that Chaeyoung is aware and implies that didn't show respect. Like why would she even do that if she actually knew? What would she gain from it? Not all people know and remember about all stuffs that happened in the past. It's not like Chaeyoung would blatantly wear that symbol to ignite an uproar. That's just plain stupid
@@nabicore No one is saying to coddle or forgive her. Just don't be a dick.
l don't even know that symbol so l don't blame her. Nobody know everything in the world.
Same, i'm so counfused rn helppp😭
@@zxbrina No need to worry, she will be okay.
Her stylist need to blame, not her.
How do you not know like wtf it's one of the most well known hate symbols in the world associated with Hitler and the Nazis
@@XblackkingdomX i feel sorry for her, many peoples blamed her😔
How do you not know you literally learn about the WW2 as soon as you get into secondary/middle school
Has Chaeyoung been put on hiatus yet?
I was starting to get a little sympathy for her but she literally just wore it again AFTER the apology for the fifth. fucking. time. i have no idea what defense you could have at this point.
If she wore the instagram post shirt here in Germany she could be in jail now. It’s illegal and a taboo topic. Two girls from my school were once seen drawing the sign somewhere, never heard of them again. (And a friend of mine was close to them and she never saw them again too). + she was my hieß weeks er in twice, but honestly this is really questionable and weird.
YES, im a german too and I live in Brazil with my grandmother. Here it is against law to make any type of apology to nazism too and not only that, the people on the streets would eventually laugh at her face and call her an idiot for wearing that shirt.
I know part of Europe also have similar laws and it shocks me to know that are clueless people saying they do not know about any of this.
@@tacituskilgore875 yes its crazy how you say anything about zionism and they hunt you down, yet zionist do the same thing to palestine
they probably got murdered. What they did was wrong yes, but are you implying that they deserved to be erased in the face of the earth just because of that? With therapy/counseling they can still change!
@@saving_graciela9203 omg you interpret wayyy to much. I’m 99.9% that they got expelled. They’re not dead, it’s Germany death penalty doesn’t exist here. Why would you think they got murdered. That’s honestly just weird.
Also: I was eleven at that time. The people who are responsible for things like that probably investigated and maybe did some questioning. The parents were probably the ones that had to take responsibility because that’s probably the political views of the parents. Thinking that they got murdered is absolutely crazy in my opinion.
@@ChaewonIsFearless because of the 'never saw them again' line. You should have made it clear. Also not every country is Germany. Just because something is illegal there, doesn't mean it's also illegal in other countries and vice versa so don't compare. And the world doesn't revolve in your country
It’s all about intentions. She did not mean what t-shirt said. She had no intentions to harm anybody. She is just a young lady. She made a mistake and she apologized. Let’s all move on. Please.
no it’s not all about intentions. impact should be weighed in as well. even if it was, her wanting to wear it for the sake of being an edgy artsy girl doesn’t make her look any better either
@@nabicoreman international fans hold grudges I bet kpop idols don't want to come to America ever again after this so called scandal so thanks for making other idols afraid to come over y'all piss me tf off I am so sick of international fans bs I am also in international fan but I don't drag idols forever.
And then once’s getting mad when someone saids they don’t support her like… she wore a naz! symbol
Thank god they didn't tour in Poland 💀 otherwise not only Chae would be dragged to the ground but also other members...
I am VERY disappointed in chaeyoung. She is a grown 23 woman and she knew what she was doing. Thanks for making a video on this situation, as personally I haven't seen any k-tubers make a video on this subject.
+ she picked out the shirt herself.
@@yoongles_universe I didn’t know that and I’m American and just found out about that symbol.
@@JaxBox1 same
@@JaxBox1 you're either 12 or the American education system has failed you. The diary of Anne Frank is usually read in middle school which is the age we start learning more about the holocaust.
@@nabicore I’m 22 and I have learning disability, I’m very slow with these type of things….it’s never too late to learn either…
Edit: I know about the Nazi symbol but don’t know about the Q American symbol.
I kind of believe she didn't know because why would she even post it in the first place? like why would she risk her career & image like that just to wear a shirt
it just doesn't make sense
She just stupid