@@bradmacoz yep unless president is being whisked away from some such event like 9/11 but he was just heading on vacation to his Wilmington deleware estate and that could’ve waited even hours if necessary because the necessity level of his flight was 0
@@tritontransportthe thing is. He is possibly the most important person in the country. For the sake of his security, they minimize his time at lower altitude
I was in a government helicopter flying from Mississippi to New Orleans as a passenger in the front seat, with a head set, after Katrina, when there was a call from the ATC that Marine One would be on our flight path, going the opposite direction, and to maintain our course, and give him a five hundred yard distance as we passed. The pilot looked at me and said, "That's something you will never hear again in your entire life." It turned out, that when Bush was told that him flying around in Marine One was going to completely shut down all helicopter rescue operations, he ordered them to come up with relaxed flight rules, and they came up with that once in al lifetime, directive for flying near Marine One.
Excellent story and I completely believe it. If you were the President, and were told people might not be rescued because you were doing an over flight of the area...Would you say too bad? Well... I know of one that might have but she never made it to office. ;)
The thing is, DC Metro Police have a desk in the NCRCC alongside the USSS and every other agency in the NCR. They can literally walk across the ops floor and deconflict in real time. It really shouldn't have been an issue as DV movements happen regularly along side federal, state, local, and DoD aviation operations in the SFRA/FRZ.
Yeah, it was incorrect. The National Capitol Region Coordination Center is in Herndon. Every operator in the NCR is there. I am sure PGPD is there too.
I promise if USSS needed Guardian to assist they'd have ZERO issues with him flying near a "VIP" flight. Letting criminals go seems to be all politicians are good for these days anyway.
Guardian is a Prince George's County Police air asset, not DC Metro, whose air asset is Falcon. There is no representative from PGPD in NCRCC to "deconflict" as you say. Short of a medevac, the USSS does not care what you are doing if you are going to be within their bubble of comfort.
In Los Angeles, a POTUS visit makes a worse an already logistical nightmare of everyone's day. I usually cancel or call in sick if working anywhere near the area. Its not worth the extra 8 hrs of commute slower than walking pace.
We had Potus over here in the UK once, unfortunately it was the orange traitor. The motorcade was crazy for him. Met it while going round a roundabout 😂 He got a nice middle finger!
That's exactly what I was thinking. The HMX-1 hangars are along the river at Bolling - Anacostia, down near the USN Labs and WHCA. And POTUS was supposedly traveling to (as Marine 1 was headed to) ILG. Meaning one would assume (I know ) Marine 1 was going from its hangar to the WH, picking up pax, and then then heading to ILG. I find it hard understand why POTUS would even be aboard the a/c at that point in the flight. Which then makes me wonder why that a/c was using the Marine1 call sign at that point in its trip.
Agreed. I've never known the package being picked up by HMX1 any place other than WH south lawn or the alternate sight, and its not JBAB but who knows. @@macsdaddy3383
Funny to me how some things matter a lot in a situation, then with with a slightly different situation it doesn’t matter at all. I fly in the area that the top right corner of the area shown all the time. I’m just a civilian, instructing students in light planes. Been on the same frequency as one of the presidential transport planes, so I know it was using the AF1 calling, so president was on board. They crossed directly over me with 1,000’ vertical separation, just the same as any two aircraft do all the time. Yet here, a law enforcement aircraft on an actual mission couldn’t get within several miles of VM1. Makes a whole lot of sense, doesn’t it?
Biden likely had on board: Hunter with pounds of crack cocaine, Asian children for “sniffing purposes”, cash and top secret documents destined for the CCP.
@Ryan-mq2mi marines make those decisions, not whomever the president on board may be at that time. Been that way for decades. Don't like it? Bring it up with the joint chiefs.
That was interesting. I flew a Canadian H3 up the Potomac in the 80’s, didn’t talk to a soul. Gave myself and my crew a tour right up to the Watergate Hotel and then skeedadled back to sea to our tin can which was bobbing around on the Atlantic. I guess times have changed since then.
And not for the better. If even a security screened law enforcing individual, in a helo, chasing a suspect, can’t do what they are supposed to do, something’s way off.
@@pjotrtje0NLAnd it's all TSA and Secret Service. They set up the SFRA, FRZ, and all the TFRs then hand them to the FAA to figure it out and manage them. Funny story. When I was getting my TAS credentials to fly out and into Patomac Airfeid, VKX, inside the FRZ I was still working and held a high-level clearance with DOD. I contacted the investigating authority and said, "Hey guys, I have an active DOD TS/SCI clearance. If you have access to JPAS I'll give you my SSN and you can look me up". Well, that level of clearance wasn't good enough I had to get THEIRS. It consists of a background check and fingerprinting. Turns out theirs barly rises to the level of a Public Trust
Nothing has really changed regarding threats. Massive changes have occurred with the growth of the bloated police state and demonization/targeting of US citizens.
by protocol they were "Clearing the Airspace" in one Three - Anticipating MARINE ONES flight path down the River through zone three .. meaning that the Helos potentially could have been MUCH closer together in a few minutes ... and in their defense ... police helicopter pursuits are VERY Dynamic and goe directions dictated by the Robbers. They also REQUIRE the Guardian Crew to be laser focused on the robbery pursuit down below..... They don't want Marine ONE to be anywhere near where a police helicopter might have to maneuver rapidly in any direction. It just wasn't safe ... and it was the right call !! Yes I am a military Pilot and Law Enforcement. Guardian didn't like the answer but the also knew it was the right call. PS: Helicopter Support is OPTIONAL and the vast majority of PURSUITS both Foot and Car happen without the luxury of an air unit. Just the facts.
The Marine Helo squadron is HMX-1. The short story is Helicopter, Marine, Experimental, Helo flight test. Presidential support is only one of their duties.
Back in the eighties, at Quantico, you could actually drive right by the hanger where the Marine Bird Ones were kept and see the guards standing around it. Now, I'm sure you couldn't nearly that close. (Quantico wasn't even a closed base back then).
@@RealMagmaDash Correct, and also, isn't it true that ANY rotary wing aircraft the POTUS flies on becomes "Marine One" (as any fixed wing becomes "Air Force One")?
I fly out and into that airspace all the time. At the beginning of the video, there's an airport near the bottom of the screen that shows a plane landing. that's my airport deep in the FRZ.
@@guitarmasterf18Funny story. When I was getting my credentials to fly the FRZ I had an active TS/SCI clearance. I emailed the investigator and told them that if they have access to JPAS I'll give you my SSN and to look me up. Well, an active TS/TSI wasn't good enough for TCA I had to get THEIR clearance. Turns out the FRZ clearence didn't even rise to the level of a public trust.
They should have alternative methods in place because a helicopter isn’t going to be available 100% of the time in the locations needed. Traffic cameras, small quadcopter drones, etc
POTUS movement takes priority over basically everything. As for the local being involved in motorcade escort, this was planned far in advance with background vetting for each officer involved due to national security. That flight was unplanned and has nothing to do with POTUS escort. Secret service don’t trust local pds on the fly and for good reasons.
Excellent example of how unnecessarily disruptive presidential transport is in the US. I don’t know any other country that totally shuts down all airport ground and air operations for VIP transport to the extent done so in the US. Another example from my own experience was a life flight needing to respond to a scene call. Secret Service wouldn’t allow us to take off even though the the President wasn’t due to take off for another half hour. (Helo’s base was within the TFR) We had another case where the helo had landed at the hospital before the TFR went into effect but it went into place prior to them leaving. Initially they were cleared to return to base but just after taking off the secret service called, furious, instructing they return to the hospital. They kept the helo on the pad at the hospital for 2 whole days while the president was in town, taking away a vital resource. So absolutely incredibly unnecessary.
When the President first entered office they would routinely shut down traffic when he flew into Wilmington. That included I-95, I-295, I-495 and Rt-141. That's a bottleneck for traffic flowing between DC, Philly and NYC. You can imagine the backup. Miles and miles in both directions.
@RetreadPhotoHunter owned a gun after abusing narcotics. Hillary stored classified documents on an unsecured home server. Joe took classified documents and stored them in multiple unsecured locations including a garage. Obama conducted a surveillance operation on a President elect. None of them faced any criminal charges. Apparently some people are above the law. And the police officer didn’t really whine about it.
@@SallySallySallySallybriden can fkn walk or drive a car like everyone else. That potato doesn’t need to be getting in the way of people fighting crime. Potato head has already let in enough criminals as it is.
Housed in Herndon, VA, the National Capital Regional Coordination Center [NCRCC] is an interagency group that monitors D.C.'s prohibited airspace 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. The Washington, DC, area is the only area of the country with such a center. The Department of Defense, FAA, the Secret Service, Customs, and Border Protection and the U.S. Capitol Police, along with the TSA, which acts as the executive agency, are represented at NCRCC full-time. During major events or search operations, the Federal Bureau of Investigations, the U.S. Park Police, the Coast Guard and local law enforcement, including D.C. Police, are also NCRCC participants. Each agency or department at NCRCC is responsible for its own mission and jurisdiction as it relates to airspace security. However, the participants work together in identifying airspace that are violated or may violate prohibited airspace. While the response to each possible aircraft violation is decided by each government entity independently of the others, the information is immediately shared by all participants at the NCRCC.
GREAT Presentation .. thank you ... could you let me know what software you use for the "Air Situation Display" its graphics look different (better) than the ones I rely on .. Thank you ..
The visualisations run in custom software that I wrote for the channel. Thank you for the kind words, I'm pleased that people notice all the effort I put into it!
@@AirTrafficVisualised Thanks for your quick reply ... I like the look and format of your software .. I have used ADSB, -Flight Aware, Flight Radar 24 and others .. they all have their peculiarities but yours is a great layout. Nice Job.
The issue is pilot asked for a 035 heading for about 6 miles and the controller said "approved as requested". I'm not even too sure what happened or how that info was misunderstood.
That's a great photo of Huntington Beach Police Department, MD 520 NOTAR helicopter known for its quiet no tail rotor. However, it has since been retired in 2023.
Reminder: The District of Columbia was created by Congress to explicitly be just the administrative center for the nation. Every building in D.C. is supposed to be just a government workplace of one sort or another. There isnt supposed to be homes or businesses inside D.C. Business and homes are supposed to be in Virginia or Maryland proper.
Western Loudoun County needs the FAA to take control of all helicopters flying in zone 6. Some fly with very little lighting, some fly well below 1000 feet, I'm at 654' of elevation just east of the Blue Ridge. I can see a heli pilots feet, even eye glasses when I run outside to see what's going to hit my house. One day there will be a chopper down near my house due to negligence of a pilot or FAA. It's nearly impossible to report as well.
Absolutely ridiculous. Marine One is able to safely ferry the President within hostile territory there should have been ZERO reason for them to order the Police helicopter out of the area.
Happens all the time with VIPs entering an area in the air or on the ground. Normal traffic and operations will be disrupted. That is the cost of the added security measures. Some VIPs avoid travel into certain areas at certain times to prevent becoming too much of a burden. But the VIPs do need to travel some and some disruptions are unavoidable.
Great job... I've never flown in or around DC in anything but commercial... That is an airspace I'm happy not to fly inside of.. Didn't know about the zones.. Still very interesting.. Thanks!
Growing up in LA, and with the large number of televised police chases from helicopters, it wasn't uncommon for the chase to turn toward the South Bay, and the news chopper getting held at a distance to avoid arrival traffic at LAX. In no time we would be watching the chase at the furthest end of the cameras zoom, all super compressed and weird looking lol
How long would it take to shoot down a police helicopter if it proceeded to move in the direction of marine one while being unresponsive to atc commands?
If it was Navy, never. PIO is always a big part in their decision making process. Air Force, immediate. I would hope more than likely they would take out the engine and force them to autorotate down.
While I understand the necessity of Marine One receiving priority routing, the Police Helicopter was on a time sensitive mission and should have been given priority. If the issue at hand was that the Police Helicopter was a threat to the President, then our country is screwed up.
@@A_A_J. I understand 100%. The police helicopter on a robbery in progress call should have priority over a Joe Biden Family Cartel corruption mission.
@@philtheheaterguy951so anyone in a helicopter, calling themselves: “Guardian 4”, should be allowed near POTUS? Or do you have some other way of identifying this helicopter from afar? It’s simple, nobody comes close to Marine one or Airforce one.
I'm sorry, but West Virginia is in no way part of the DC Metro Area. It's called The DMV for a reason: DC, Maryland, and Virginia. WV is way to far away.
It's an old crutch to prevent the beginning of a received transmission from being missed. By using a throwaway word like "and" or "uhh" to give the receiver something to break squelch before any actual info is transmitted. It also is an effective remedy for lesser trained radio ops who key up at the same time they start to talk. It's basically a courtesy.
ATC sounds like he’s on it. Not sure why he comes across as a new hire. And just imagine the vegetable you voted for in the helio. I’m sure the money was well spent then.
@@eguess6103Nope, I'm tired of the country hemorrhaging money to transport our version of a king around. The president should get 5-6 weeks vacation. The personal trips home on weekends needs to stop. Same for using AF1 as a campaign tool, because it isn't just one aircraft that flies, but both 27001 and 28001 in case of a breakdown. Then the C-17 for the vehicles and the Secret Service details. The president was elected, not coronated.
That would appear to have been a request, not a report. Guardian 4's later radio call of Zone 3 was _approved_ by the controller, not merely read back.
Today on Lengthwise with Tim Skit: The president of the United States circles a suburb, and 10 kilometers away, a suspect gets away with his crime. How are these two events connected?
Kind of a clickbait title. They didn't get close to them at all nevermind too close. They just got directed somewhere and then got asked to leave. Marine one remained in the same location during the entire time
@@N1120ANot exactly correct. At some of the Class B and even Class C airports, there is a separate frequency just for helicopter traffic exclusively. KLAX and KBUR are only two examples. …and by the way, the military uses BOTH UHF and VHF bands. It just depends what the controllers want them to talk on at the time. Ask me how I know.
Quick Rant: This is exactly why I got pulled out of that scene from 'Beloved' in Marvel's Secret invasion. (Take away being in an area of the Omniverse where there's a group consensus on Super Hero's.) There's no way random helicopters just fly in with that little of lead time. Rant done for fiction.
@@hemp64731 he’s not in control of surrounding traffic. Pre-determined rules are. He was probably asleep or being briefed on something. Heads of State have right of way, anywhere in the world. You’re just trying to stir shit up.
@@goatdocfilms504I am probably completely and utterly wrong here but I thought it was any fixed wing aircraft POTUS is currently flying in becomes Air Force One and any rotary wing aircraft POTUS is flying in becomes Marine One. Do the aircraft have to be Air Force or Marine Corps aircraft? For example, when Bush 2 landed on that aircraft carrier in a Navy F18 for his infamous “Mission Accomplished” speech in 2003, what was that aircraft’s callsign while he was onboard? Hypothetically speaking, if POTUS was transported in a Gulfstream or some random helicopter, what would that aircraft’s call sign become? I realize that will almost certainly never happen, but still curious nonetheless.
Yeah, it depends what that suspect was wanted for. If for violent crimes, things might get dramatic for those crossing his path. As for the video, no big drama from our perspective, but probably protective services would disagree. The police helicopter request was approved then awkwardly disapproved. There might be some drama there behind the scene 😄
It's unfortunate that the police couldn't do their job because Marine One was hauling vegetables. Maybe good practice for when they're hauling a cognizant human president again though.
I don't think you understand the situation. The helicopter was definitely too close to the President according to the Secret Service. Hence the entire point of this video and the reversal of ATC's decision to allow the helicopter to proceed as requested.
That's pitiful, "suspect will be gone in 15 minutes.." Ugh. Really?????????????? That was MORE IMPORTANT than that geriatric getting there a few minutes faster!!! UGH!!!!
it's funny how my message pointing out "other" people's crimes was omitted but all the Joe bashing comments are still up. Really showing your colors @AirTrafficVisualised
This is youtube censorship. You're just not used to it because you don't get censored daily. The best way to know is to go back to your post in a min or two, edit it, and if it lets it be sent/updated it hasnt been removed/censored, but if it has it'll give a 404 error. The communists at youtube like to try and trick you into thinking your post has not been removed when it has.
For everyone else your censored post is not visible. So you could actually log into another account as well if you wanted to see, but its an extra step.
More bs from the right... Don't you have an inauguration crowd size to cry about? Even though it was the smallest in generations, even smaller than GWBush. @@Ryan-mq2mi
The arrogance, sense of entitlement and paranoia that surrounds the POTUS is ridiculous. And that’s not a dig at the current president, that’s regarding all of them. When you need that much protection and you’re that paranoid, you must know you’re doing something wrong.
Yes marine one when it's operational they don't care what you're doing, it's either do what you're told or you get brought out of the sky the hard way I'd say in about another minute guardian for may have experienced something he didn't want to happen. I know sometimes when the presidents want to play golf they'll call the country clubs and a lot of times they won't let them play because the country clubs don't want to close everything down and tell all the members you have to stay off the course, you would think they would be honored to have the president but most of the time they're not. I don't mean golf courses that are in Washington I'm talking about when the president's traveling and he goes to other states or cities, many times the local Country clubs won't let the president play.
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Guess they got a Presidential pardon without even getting arrested 🤷♂️
Yep pretty ridiculous
The Police chopper should have priority! its only a matter of minutes of delay…
@@bradmacoz yep unless president is being whisked away from some such event like 9/11 but he was just heading on vacation to his Wilmington deleware estate and that could’ve waited even hours if necessary because the necessity level of his flight was 0
@@tritontransportthe thing is. He is possibly the most important person in the country. For the sake of his security, they minimize his time at lower altitude
@@joek0617 cool, keep his ass on the ground. It's not like he doesn't have all of the modern conveniences anyone could want in that house
I was in a government helicopter flying from Mississippi to New Orleans as a passenger in the front seat, with a head set, after Katrina, when there was a call from the ATC that Marine One would be on our flight path, going the opposite direction, and to maintain our course, and give him a five hundred yard distance as we passed. The pilot looked at me and said, "That's something you will never hear again in your entire life." It turned out, that when Bush was told that him flying around in Marine One was going to completely shut down all helicopter rescue operations, he ordered them to come up with relaxed flight rules, and they came up with that once in al lifetime, directive for flying near Marine One.
We saw him flying over Biloxi escorted by two blackhawks while we were out fishing. Wild stuff.
@@GulfSoftwash Saw him down in San Diego, coming ashore from a carrier... Marine One and two decoy helos, which traded positions at random.
Excellent story and I completely believe it. If you were the President, and were told people might not be rescued because you were doing an over flight of the area...Would you say too bad? Well... I know of one that might have but she never made it to office. ;)
@@robertstewart1223she'd have ordered all rescue operations to stop until she was gone.
@@CountryAndProud who are you referring too?
Best visuals! I can only guess how long it takes you. Well done.
agreed
I watch a lot of these channels and I was pleasantly surprised at all the activity happening and clarity of these visuals. Agreed, fantastic work
No suspects were harmed in the making of this film.
🤣🤣🤣
Biden paving the way for criminals to escape once again.
Apparently none were caught either….par for the course with this administration. Great video though! Thanks for posting.
Part of Biden's overall policing strategy, let the suspects go to vote another day.
The thing is, DC Metro Police have a desk in the NCRCC alongside the USSS and every other agency in the NCR. They can literally walk across the ops floor and deconflict in real time. It really shouldn't have been an issue as DV movements happen regularly along side federal, state, local, and DoD aviation operations in the SFRA/FRZ.
I spent so long trying to find what "NTRCC" stood for. Thank you for demystifying that.
Does PGPD have one? Guardian is theirs I believe.
Yeah, it was incorrect. The National Capitol Region Coordination Center is in Herndon. Every operator in the NCR is there. I am sure PGPD is there too.
I promise if USSS needed Guardian to assist they'd have ZERO issues with him flying near a "VIP" flight.
Letting criminals go seems to be all politicians are good for these days anyway.
Guardian is a Prince George's County Police air asset, not DC Metro, whose air asset is Falcon. There is no representative from PGPD in NCRCC to "deconflict" as you say. Short of a medevac, the USSS does not care what you are doing if you are going to be within their bubble of comfort.
And I just look up and say, "Cool, a helicopter!" There is so, so much more going on, and critical that conflicts are avoided. Thanks again!
Great production! And the explanation beforehand makes it easier to understand. 👍🏻
In Los Angeles, a POTUS visit makes a worse an already logistical nightmare of everyone's day. I usually cancel or call in sick if working anywhere near the area. Its not worth the extra 8 hrs of commute slower than walking pace.
We had Potus over here in the UK once, unfortunately it was the orange traitor. The motorcade was crazy for him. Met it while going round a roundabout 😂 He got a nice middle finger!
makes a worse an already logistical nightmare
Im so glad he doesnt know san diego exists. Never had a POTUS visit
I was 30 minutes late to my exam in downtown detroit because Biden's visit for the auto show closed down EVERY overpass but one.
@@delta250aUr a UK citizen calling him the “orange traitor” something isnt adding up…
While HMX-1 is based at JBAB. it picks the President up on the White House South Lawn. He doesn't go to the base to get on the helicopter.
Sure, but that doesn't mean he has to travel to the South Lawn to from the base to the airport.
That's exactly what I was thinking. The HMX-1 hangars are along the river at Bolling - Anacostia, down near the USN Labs and WHCA. And POTUS was supposedly traveling to (as Marine 1 was headed to) ILG. Meaning one would assume (I know ) Marine 1 was going from its hangar to the WH, picking up pax, and then then heading to ILG. I find it hard understand why POTUS would even be aboard the a/c at that point in the flight. Which then makes me wonder why that a/c was using the Marine1 call sign at that point in its trip.
Callsign Marine One is only used when POTUS is on board
@@macsdaddy3383 He could be actually at JBAB. He visits the base from time to time.
Agreed. I've never known the package being picked up by HMX1 any place other than WH south lawn or the alternate sight, and its not JBAB but who knows. @@macsdaddy3383
10% for the big guy!
Funny to me how some things matter a lot in a situation, then with with a slightly different situation it doesn’t matter at all.
I fly in the area that the top right corner of the area shown all the time. I’m just a civilian, instructing students in light planes. Been on the same frequency as one of the presidential transport planes, so I know it was using the AF1 calling, so president was on board. They crossed directly over me with 1,000’ vertical separation, just the same as any two aircraft do all the time.
Yet here, a law enforcement aircraft on an actual mission couldn’t get within several miles of VM1. Makes a whole lot of sense, doesn’t it?
Shows a mindset of fear doesn't it?
@@peterk2455 Yup!
Hey, the clown had to get to Delaware for some important business!
Biden likely had on board: Hunter with pounds of crack cocaine, Asian children for “sniffing purposes”, cash and top secret documents destined for the CCP.
@Ryan-mq2mi marines make those decisions, not whomever the president on board may be at that time. Been that way for decades. Don't like it? Bring it up with the joint chiefs.
GREAT editing, thanks for the time invested in this one! !! !!!
That was interesting. I flew a Canadian H3 up the Potomac in the 80’s, didn’t talk to a soul. Gave myself and my crew a tour right up to the Watergate Hotel and then skeedadled back to sea to our tin can which was bobbing around on the Atlantic. I guess times have changed since then.
Huge changes. I remember those days in the 80s, fixed wing. Now it is completely different.
Ya...this thing called 9/11...
And not for the better. If even a security screened law enforcing individual, in a helo, chasing a suspect, can’t do what they are supposed to do, something’s way off.
@@pjotrtje0NLAnd it's all TSA and Secret Service. They set up the SFRA, FRZ, and all the TFRs then hand them to the FAA to figure it out and manage them.
Funny story. When I was getting my TAS credentials to fly out and into Patomac Airfeid, VKX, inside the FRZ I was still working and held a high-level clearance with DOD.
I contacted the investigating authority and said, "Hey guys, I have an active DOD TS/SCI clearance. If you have access to JPAS I'll give you my SSN and you can look me up". Well, that level of clearance wasn't good enough I had to get THEIRS. It consists of a background check and fingerprinting.
Turns out theirs barly rises to the level of a Public Trust
Nothing has really changed regarding threats. Massive changes have occurred with the growth of the bloated police state and demonization/targeting of US citizens.
First video I've watched of yours and by far this is the best production quality I've ever seen on an ATC channel!
by protocol they were "Clearing the Airspace" in one Three - Anticipating MARINE ONES flight path down the River through zone three .. meaning that the Helos potentially could have been MUCH closer together in a few minutes ... and in their defense ... police helicopter pursuits are VERY Dynamic and goe directions dictated by the Robbers. They also REQUIRE the Guardian Crew to be laser focused on the robbery pursuit down below..... They don't want Marine ONE to be anywhere near where a police helicopter might have to maneuver rapidly in any direction. It just wasn't safe ... and it was the right call !! Yes I am a military Pilot and Law Enforcement. Guardian didn't like the answer but the also knew it was the right call. PS: Helicopter Support is OPTIONAL and the vast majority of PURSUITS both Foot and Car happen without the luxury of an air unit. Just the facts.
Military is more important than police. Fairly simple.
So public safety air ops shouldn’t be around any GA air traffic either. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.
Ive watched quite a few of these air traffic control video and wow this visual was awesome!!! keep up the great work.
The Marine Helo squadron is HMX-1. The short story is Helicopter, Marine, Experimental, Helo flight test. Presidential support is only one of their duties.
Yawn
Back in the eighties, at Quantico, you could actually drive right by the hanger where the Marine Bird Ones were kept and see the guards standing around it. Now, I'm sure you couldn't nearly that close. (Quantico wasn't even a closed base back then).
@@ralphholiman7401I was flying out of the Quatiico Flying Club in the 80s. That's long gone but another reason other than security.
Yes but "Marine One" is only used when the president is onboard
@@RealMagmaDash Correct, and also, isn't it true that ANY rotary wing aircraft the POTUS flies on becomes "Marine One" (as any fixed wing becomes "Air Force One")?
I love your channel! The explanations, visuals, and voiceover are perfect!
I fly out and into that airspace all the time. At the beginning of the video, there's an airport near the bottom of the screen that shows a plane landing. that's my airport deep in the FRZ.
Heyy, we fly the same airspace! I’m mostly based out of VKX!!! Small world right!?,
@@guitarmasterf18Yup that is it. VKX as we sometimes say we fly out of Dave's world.
@@JustaPilot1 yup! The circle of doom lol
@@guitarmasterf18Funny story. When I was getting my credentials to fly the FRZ I had an active TS/SCI clearance. I emailed the investigator and told them that if they have access to JPAS I'll give you my SSN and to look me up. Well, an active TS/TSI wasn't good enough for TCA I had to get THEIR clearance. Turns out the FRZ clearence didn't even rise to the level of a public trust.
That must be so frustrating - who knows what kind of suspect they had eyes on just to be called off because of a one-in-a-thousand Marine One transit
Robbery.
Guess what? Biden just needed his ice cream. HE NEEDED HIS ICE CREAM!
I agree..honestly potus gets more than they need
@@andyturbo Bet he wasn't even on board lol
They should have alternative methods in place because a helicopter isn’t going to be available 100% of the time in the locations needed. Traffic cameras, small quadcopter drones, etc
Next time Guardian 4 goes up, they should use callsign FJB1 😂
I agree! 😂
You mean Foxtrot Juliet Bravo 1😂
Joe biden has nothing to with there operations
Putin1.
How about : Foxtrot | Juliet | BRANDON - ZERO
So local police can be in a presidential motorcade but cant fly in there own helicopter while in the Performance of their duty? Ridiculous.
They should have told Marine-1 to deviate due to exigent circumstances. If POTUS doesn't agree... there's always the Press.
@@mxyzptlyk I seriously doubt POTUS would be aware of this.
POTUS movement takes priority over basically everything. As for the local being involved in motorcade escort, this was planned far in advance with background vetting for each officer involved due to national security. That flight was unplanned and has nothing to do with POTUS escort. Secret service don’t trust local pds on the fly and for good reasons.
You're not as smart as you think you are...
@@mxyzptlyk The problem with that is Marine One is a military flight, has priority and isn't under the control of the FAA.
Excellent example of how unnecessarily disruptive presidential transport is in the US. I don’t know any other country that totally shuts down all airport ground and air operations for VIP transport to the extent done so in the US.
Another example from my own experience was a life flight needing to respond to a scene call. Secret Service wouldn’t allow us to take off even though the the President wasn’t due to take off for another half hour. (Helo’s base was within the TFR)
We had another case where the helo had landed at the hospital before the TFR went into effect but it went into place prior to them leaving. Initially they were cleared to return to base but just after taking off the secret service called, furious, instructing they return to the hospital.
They kept the helo on the pad at the hospital for 2 whole days while the president was in town, taking away a vital resource. So absolutely incredibly unnecessary.
When the President first entered office they would routinely shut down traffic when he flew into Wilmington. That included I-95, I-295, I-495 and Rt-141. That's a bottleneck for traffic flowing between DC, Philly and NYC. You can imagine the backup. Miles and miles in both directions.
@RetreadPhotoHunter owned a gun after abusing narcotics. Hillary stored classified documents on an unsecured home server. Joe took classified documents and stored them in multiple unsecured locations including a garage. Obama conducted a surveillance operation on a President elect. None of them faced any criminal charges. Apparently some people are above the law.
And the police officer didn’t really whine about it.
LOL. It's hardly "unnecessary."
@SallySallySallySally how many presidents have been killed inflight
@@SallySallySallySallybriden can fkn walk or drive a car like everyone else. That potato doesn’t need to be getting in the way of people fighting crime. Potato head has already let in enough criminals as it is.
Housed in Herndon, VA, the National Capital Regional Coordination Center [NCRCC] is an interagency group that monitors D.C.'s prohibited airspace 24 hours a day, 7 days a
week. The Washington, DC, area is the only area of the country with such a center. The Department of Defense, FAA, the Secret Service, Customs, and Border Protection and the U.S. Capitol Police, along with the TSA, which acts as the executive agency, are represented at NCRCC full-time. During major events or search operations, the Federal Bureau of Investigations, the U.S. Park Police, the Coast Guard and local law enforcement, including D.C. Police, are also NCRCC participants. Each agency or department at NCRCC is responsible for its own mission and jurisdiction as it relates to airspace security. However, the participants work together in identifying airspace that are violated or may violate prohibited airspace. While the response to each possible aircraft violation is decided by each government entity independently of the others, the information is immediately
shared by all participants at the NCRCC.
Awesome video as always
Keep up the high quality content! Very informative, never knew DC airspace was this complicated
GREAT Presentation .. thank you ... could you let me know what software you use for the "Air Situation Display" its graphics look different (better) than the ones I rely on .. Thank you ..
The visualisations run in custom software that I wrote for the channel. Thank you for the kind words, I'm pleased that people notice all the effort I put into it!
@@AirTrafficVisualised Thanks for your quick reply ... I like the look and format of your software .. I have used ADSB, -Flight Aware, Flight Radar 24 and others .. they all have their peculiarities but yours is a great layout. Nice Job.
Cop heli wasn't wven that close
I worked in public safety in the dmv for many years . This is nothing new and has been like this for many years. Quite the norm
Two bad guys escaped that day.
I was at HMX in the late 70’s … we always got priority!
So funny when people call it Wilmington Airport. There is no such thing. It's New Castle Municipal Airport, Wilmington doesn't have one.
Awesome animation and narration 👍
The fact is that Guardian is actually Prince George's County Maryland Police Department helo ... not DC.
The issue is pilot asked for a 035 heading for about 6 miles and the controller said "approved as requested". I'm not even too sure what happened or how that info was misunderstood.
That's a great photo of Huntington Beach Police Department, MD 520 NOTAR helicopter known for its quiet no tail rotor. However, it has since been retired in 2023.
Reminder: The District of Columbia was created by Congress to explicitly be just the administrative center for the nation. Every building in D.C. is supposed to be just a government workplace of one sort or another. There isnt supposed to be homes or businesses inside D.C. Business and homes are supposed to be in Virginia or Maryland proper.
Congress did not intend for Presidents to have immunity from criminal prosecution either and certainly that is not in the constitution 😒
more of your videos please. your vids are so much better than the other ATC channels.
Western Loudoun County needs the FAA to take control of all helicopters flying in zone 6. Some fly with very little lighting, some fly well below 1000 feet, I'm at 654' of elevation just east of the Blue Ridge. I can see a heli pilots feet, even eye glasses when I run outside to see what's going to hit my house. One day there will be a chopper down near my house due to negligence of a pilot or FAA. It's nearly impossible to report as well.
Which tracking app is this
That was much more interesting than I have thought when i clicked ;-)
Marine 1 always has priority.
Absolutely ridiculous. Marine One is able to safely ferry the President within hostile territory there should have been ZERO reason for them to order the Police helicopter out of the area.
FJB!
Can't interrupt Joe when he goes out in the chopper for an ice cream cone. 🍦🍦
Look fat, there's nothing he can do!
Grow tf up they can do whatever they want when it comes to the POTUS while airborne
@@ericclonenice work. you really got eeeeem.
Happens all the time with VIPs entering an area in the air or on the ground. Normal traffic and operations will be disrupted. That is the cost of the added security measures. Some VIPs avoid travel into certain areas at certain times to prevent becoming too much of a burden. But the VIPs do need to travel some and some disruptions are unavoidable.
In all honesty, even if they were pursuing a criminal, they would’ve released their criminal if they caught them.
Why is the Huntington Beach, Ca police helicopter in the picture? This didn’t happen in California. 🤔🤔
Great job... I've never flown in or around DC in anything but commercial... That is an airspace I'm happy not to fly inside of.. Didn't know about the zones.. Still very interesting.. Thanks!
Police pilot: "15 minutes and the criminal will get away"
Biden: "I dont work for you pal"
Great visuals: how and what are you using its real clean. Programs used?
The basemap is provided by Mapbox (with custom styling), everything else runs in custom software I wrote.
Growing up in LA, and with the large number of televised police chases from helicopters, it wasn't uncommon for the chase to turn toward the South Bay, and the news chopper getting held at a distance to avoid arrival traffic at LAX. In no time we would be watching the chase at the furthest end of the cameras zoom, all super compressed and weird looking lol
How long would it take to shoot down a police helicopter if it proceeded to move in the direction of marine one while being unresponsive to atc commands?
Just a wild guess on my part, but in D.C., I'd suspect about 30 seconds if no one hesitated.
If it was Navy, never. PIO is always a big part in their decision making process. Air Force, immediate. I would hope more than likely they would take out the engine and force them to autorotate down.
Talk about a Nothing Burger.
Blicked
While I understand the necessity of Marine One receiving priority routing, the Police Helicopter was on a time sensitive mission and should have been given priority. If the issue at hand was that the Police Helicopter was a threat to the President, then our country is screwed up.
Then you don’t understand.
@@A_A_J. Then YOU don't understand!
@@A_A_J. I understand 100%. The police helicopter on a robbery in progress call should have priority over a Joe Biden Family Cartel corruption mission.
@@Look_What_You_Did Actually, I am very bright. So sorry you disagree.
@@philtheheaterguy951so anyone in a helicopter, calling themselves: “Guardian 4”, should be allowed near POTUS? Or do you have some other way of identifying this helicopter from afar?
It’s simple, nobody comes close to Marine one or Airforce one.
I'm sorry, but West Virginia is in no way part of the DC Metro Area. It's called The DMV for a reason: DC, Maryland, and Virginia. WV is way to far away.
Did the suspect get away?
Why does ATC communication usually start with "and...."
It's an old crutch to prevent the beginning of a received transmission from being missed. By using a throwaway word like "and" or "uhh" to give the receiver something to break squelch before any actual info is transmitted. It also is an effective remedy for lesser trained radio ops who key up at the same time they start to talk. It's basically a courtesy.
How can that be anymore confusing??
Great video, I learned a bit there. Awesome visuals as always! 🤗
Hope the President was on time for another vacation
This is the funniest atc comm I've heard in a long time. 😅
How was I not aware this Channel years earlier?!!!
As if anything would happen to the robbery suspects.
This happens EVERY day and it still doesn't get fixed.
Their robbery suspect was just to the southwest aboard Marine One. Not sure how they missed that.
ATC sounds like a new hire, but to work in the DC area, that's not possible. The amount of money wasted to transport a vegetable is insane.
They could use an old f-100 and just pack potus in a crate.
ATC sounds like he’s on it. Not sure why he comes across as a new hire. And just imagine the vegetable you voted for in the helio. I’m sure the money was well spent then.
Do you know how very little that narrows down who you mean with our current representatives?
Plus which one? Sleepy Joe, or Orange bankrupt Trump?
Tds is showing
.. the vegetable is playing pRESIDENT........@@firebeardlongfellow5295
@@eguess6103Nope, I'm tired of the country hemorrhaging money to transport our version of a king around.
The president should get 5-6 weeks vacation. The personal trips home on weekends needs to stop. Same for using AF1 as a campaign tool, because it isn't just one aircraft that flies, but both 27001 and 28001 in case of a breakdown. Then the C-17 for the vehicles and the Secret Service details.
The president was elected, not coronated.
Guardian calls in: guardian 4, zone 2? Clearly showing the 520 in Zone 3… oops
I saw that too.
That would appear to have been a request, not a report. Guardian 4's later radio call of Zone 3 was _approved_ by the controller, not merely read back.
Surprised that Marine 1 didn't have 2 other decoy aircraft in proximity, which is the SOP.
Even the marines want Joe out!
@@JamesLightning No they don't.
@@delta250a nobody in the military respects Sleepy Joe
They did. Their callsign is "Marine One flight", not "Marine One". "Flight" usually indicates more than one aircraft
So, basically the President is treated like a King... interesting.
As a pilot, you have standing protocol on how and what to do. If somebody on the ground orders you to violate that protocol you tell them…NO!
Yeah okay. Go ahead and get a pen and notepad out to copy a number.
Ahhhhh marine one is armed. I’ll stay out of their way.
Potato head was late for his 6 oclock ice cream.
I feel like the cop didn't quite get the message.?
President always fing things up lol
Yes, forget citizens, government officials don’t care if you’re trying to find a suspect and help citizens
Today on Lengthwise with Tim Skit: The president of the United States circles a suburb, and 10 kilometers away, a suspect gets away with his crime. How are these two events connected?
Cool video!!
Kind of a clickbait title. They didn't get close to them at all nevermind too close. They just got directed somewhere and then got asked to leave. Marine one remained in the same location during the entire time
Interesting in the absence of normal ATC protocols of announcing your callsign for each transmission. And amount of non-flight chatter.
Police typically have a separate channel to ATC because of the erratic nature of their flights
This obviously is not normal ATC.
@@Theenforcer921 police in the US use the same frequencies as everyone else. Military use UHF instead of VHF
@@N1120A Same type, different frequency from other traffic is what I meant.
@@N1120ANot exactly correct. At some of the Class B and even Class C airports, there is a separate frequency just for helicopter traffic exclusively. KLAX and KBUR are only two examples. …and by the way, the military uses BOTH UHF and VHF bands. It just depends what the controllers want them to talk on at the time. Ask me how I know.
Dumb me, I don't see Guardian 4 anywhere near Marine 1 in your display; certainly not on a collision course.
Now imagine if years later this led to a presidential assassination and they traced it back to this incident 😂
The criminal suspect escaped to Delaware aboard Marine One.
Your a few years late for the criminal. The US public done a great thing and voted that orange traitor out.
Quick Rant: This is exactly why I got pulled out of that scene from 'Beloved' in Marvel's Secret invasion. (Take away being in an area of the Omniverse where there's a group consensus on Super Hero's.) There's no way random helicopters just fly in with that little of lead time.
Rant done for fiction.
Please tell me how marine one was more of a priority then a robbery suspect.
How is that at all confusing? Any head of state will always be priority over everything.
Are you usually this dense?
@@elmanuele He's a man, that can wait for that chopper to help catch that guy. What was so important that he couldn't wait?
@@hemp64731 he’s not in control of surrounding traffic. Pre-determined rules are. He was probably asleep or being briefed on something. Heads of State have right of way, anywhere in the world. You’re just trying to stir shit up.
@@elmanuele what shit is that then?
"Our suspect will be gone in 15 minutes".......oy.......I understand protecting the president but geez.....
Dont think identity of the VIP was communicated
Call sign is only Marine One when the POTUS is onboard.@@nwoida8057
@@nwoida8057 the call sign Marine One identifies the VIP as that call sign can only be used by a Marine Aircraft that is Transporting the president.
Well knowing DC, that suspect will be back on radar the next day.
@@goatdocfilms504I am probably completely and utterly wrong here but I thought it was any fixed wing aircraft POTUS is currently flying in becomes Air Force One and any rotary wing aircraft POTUS is flying in becomes Marine One. Do the aircraft have to be Air Force or Marine Corps aircraft? For example, when Bush 2 landed on that aircraft carrier in a Navy F18 for his infamous “Mission Accomplished” speech in 2003, what was that aircraft’s callsign while he was onboard? Hypothetically speaking, if POTUS was transported in a Gulfstream or some random helicopter, what would that aircraft’s call sign become? I realize that will almost certainly never happen, but still curious nonetheless.
Interesting but not very dramatic. Still I do love the way these videos are put together.
Yeah, it depends what that suspect was wanted for. If for violent crimes, things might get dramatic for those crossing his path.
As for the video, no big drama from our perspective, but probably protective services would disagree. The police helicopter request was approved then awkwardly disapproved. There might be some drama there behind the scene 😄
No mystery. Marine One was unstable due to the added weight of the adult diapers.
Was Diaper Donny aboard?
@@gordrillalooks like it occurred 9 FEB 24, so that would be Jello Joey.
tRumpy was known for having diapers on and stinking up the place.
Wow he really does screw up everything
not close enough
This is a country that has lost its way.
Sir im protecting my boss’s boss’s boss’s boss
Plot twist, the suspect was in marine 1😅
It's unfortunate that the police couldn't do their job because Marine One was hauling vegetables. Maybe good practice for when they're hauling a cognizant human president again though.
Clickbait.. wasn't close at all
I don't think you understand the situation. The helicopter was definitely too close to the President according to the Secret Service. Hence the entire point of this video and the reversal of ATC's decision to allow the helicopter to proceed as requested.
@@JohnSmith-zi9or meh
That's pitiful, "suspect will be gone in 15 minutes.." Ugh. Really?????????????? That was MORE IMPORTANT than that geriatric getting there a few minutes faster!!! UGH!!!!
And what would you say if the orange toad did the exact same flight? Heil fuhrer, I bet.
it's funny how my message pointing out "other" people's crimes was omitted but all the Joe bashing comments are still up. Really showing your colors @AirTrafficVisualised
This is youtube censorship. You're just not used to it because you don't get censored daily. The best way to know is to go back to your post in a min or two, edit it, and if it lets it be sent/updated it hasnt been removed/censored, but if it has it'll give a 404 error. The communists at youtube like to try and trick you into thinking your post has not been removed when it has.
For everyone else your censored post is not visible. So you could actually log into another account as well if you wanted to see, but its an extra step.
More bs from the right... Don't you have an inauguration crowd size to cry about? Even though it was the smallest in generations, even smaller than GWBush. @@Ryan-mq2mi
The arrogance, sense of entitlement and paranoia that surrounds the POTUS is ridiculous. And that’s not a dig at the current president, that’s regarding all of them. When you need that much protection and you’re that paranoid, you must know you’re doing something wrong.
Did the PD copter consider his robbery suspect was aboard Marine One?
Well that’s a stupid thing to write
Pedo suspect perhaps.
Pẽdõ suspect perhaps.
That's the other suspect
Much too loud at 1:15.
thumbnail was a complete lie
They are helicopters NOT heleecoptors
Yes marine one when it's operational they don't care what you're doing, it's either do what you're told or you get brought out of the sky the hard way I'd say in about another minute guardian for may have experienced something he didn't want to happen. I know sometimes when the presidents want to play golf they'll call the country clubs and a lot of times they won't let them play because the country clubs don't want to close everything down and tell all the members you have to stay off the course, you would think they would be honored to have the president but most of the time they're not. I don't mean golf courses that are in Washington I'm talking about when the president's traveling and he goes to other states or cities, many times the local Country clubs won't let the president play.
What about air ambulances carrying a patient in need of urgent care?