This quote is straight off the Victorinox Website….”A fixed-blade bushcraft knife in an adventure league of its own. Developed by outdoors experts, this reliable piece of specialist kit makes light work of any challenge.”
Well, you are using your knife wrong. You have realized this knife is part of the 3 cutting edge philosophy in Sweden and other countries. They would laugh at you if you were using this knife to split wood by batoning. You use an axe or hatchet for that. You also have a smaller knife for intricate work. The US idea of using a knife for all these tasks is just not how others outside the US think. Also, it wasn't the way early American settlers used their knives. There is a difference between survival type knife design and bushcraft designed knives. Using a knife for a for a purpose it wasn't designed for doesn't work well.
I don’t know about laughing, but i agree about the rest part of your comment. This knife is made for cutting and occasional carving. Nevertheless i saw quite a few youtubers from different regions (including EU) who were like “oh, i tried to baton a rock, and i broke the blade!” . I bet they paint their walls with pencils.
then they shouldn't advertise it as being capable of splitting, including having Felix use it for batoning. (In the 'carving a spoon with the Venture video)
I see your points, but the Garberg is honestly intended to be more of a survival knife. The Vic is more of a camp/bush craft knife. Felix Immler has a couple of videos highlighting its intended uses and techniques for it, he helped design it.
If you want the best cutting knife i have ever had, then the Venture is your choice. If you want to do heavy duty wood splitting(batoning) and other one tool survival stuff you have to get another knife. In combination with an axe you will be very happy with the venture outdoors. I love it but this is only my opinion and you have to ask yourself what you want to do with your knife( i would never ever do batoning with one of my knives, therefore the axe was invented)
Yeah, have fun hiking around with an axe. If I’m at home or around the shop or at camp that’s one thing, but if I’m hiking or mountain biking etc I’m not wasting the weight on carrying a hatchet/axe just to split a few pieces of wood.
Despite the tabloid title, what you found to be a problem in the review for me is evidence of the quality of the knife. Victorinox chose a good steel and tempered it very well since such a thin blade is flexible and did not crumble under stress. Most knives on the market are very hard and very brittle.... The Venture is definitely a Mora Kansbol category not a Garberg model. So the Garberg category is Victorinox Master mic L . In the comments it is apparent that the knife through a successful design, is well received by advanced users who are looking for a very light knife for precision cutting. The strange sheath needs a redesign. Thanks for the video.
Yeah it's not a Scandi grind, so it's better for food and such, but not as strong for survival stuff like batoning which really isn't actually a thing anyway. It's just a mildly arbitrary strength test. I have lots of knives and I recently got a Venture and it's very impressive. Very good for the price too, and excellent quality. I expected it to be a bit less impressive.
Years ago when I went through Scouting we learned Toten'chip that dealt with when and how to use a knife, axe, and saw. Batoning with a knife was considered poor, if not unsafe, tool use. Sure you can use a knife to baton, just like you could use pliers to remove bolts. But, you gotta admit that seeing poor tool use makes one cringe.
Glad I am not the only 'old' guy that was taught NOT to baton. I carry more than one knife and an axe in my canoe. I would never hammer on a knife. It goes back to using the right tool for the job; a knife is for cutting and an axe is for splitting. Yes you can use pliers to remove bolts, but look at the bolts when your done. They are JUNK.
one big, thick knife that is full tang(8" and above) is a lot more safer batoning than a rat-tail tang >4“ knife and is also safer to process wood than a hatchet or an axe
Swinging an axe is far more dangerous than batoning with a knife. It’s controlled with minimal movement of the blade. Not to mention the fact that carrying a 5 lb axe is ridiculous when hiking any distance when a sub 1 lb knife does the job. The shorter the axe, the more dangerous it is. I get it if you’re splitting large rounds around the house or car camping. But wrist size pieces in the backcountry, knife and saw.
For $25, you can get the Cold Steel SlockMaster. It offers an extra 2" in length, and extra 0.1mm thickness. Sure the steel is not as good, but it slices and batons great! with a 3/4ths tang! Why would anyone buy an inferior kitchen knife for 3x more?
I’d love to see Victorinox start using 14c28n in other blades, especially kitchen knives. It’s about time for an upgrade and I can’t think of a better steel for Victorinox.
I think we all would love to see this and would be willing to pay more for it. Unfortunately victorinox is pretty immune to all suggestions and operate on the basis of not fixing what isn’t broken. And they still sell so many knives and thus don’t see any reason to change their products.
@@donalddicorcia2433 i know. There is now some hope they would bring it to other models but its already several years people from the industry tried to get victorinox to use a better steel for their pocketknives
@@Superbus753 You’re almost certainly correct, about Victorinox and their closest competitors. There is a Chinese brand making budget kitchen knives in 14c38n, but they’ll need to prove themselves.
I think it fits perfectly into the Swiss Army Knife ethos of light use multitool. Loads of functionality in a compact package, like all SAK. Plus, I watch the designer's TH-cam channel and like him. I say watch his videos, see his design priorities, and decide if you agree.
If the ethos of swiss army knife is light use, well idk, maybe they should have made a knife that complete that... If you design a knife for light use then it doesn't have to be 5mm thick. If it's 5mm thick than it should be able to endure quite some stress.
1:022:37 I'm not in the market for a bushcraft knife specifically but I've gotta say, that's innovative, well executed and makes me want one fo r my collection. I always like seeing new features added to knives. ESPECIALLY if it replaces an obscure, limited purpose tool like a hook knife. Well done victorinox.
I have owned one since its release. I put it through a serious batoning session early on with absolutely no blade deformation. My test was to use a 4” length cut from a 4x4 post. After POUNDING away I realized I wasn’t making much advance only to realize that I was passing through a knot. So I eventually just stopped. I have absolutely no visible deformation whatsoever and I performed two such sessions using a 4x4 post section. Maybe yours does in fact have a heat treatment issue. But, your concern is well taken. I will never ever brutalize my knife as I did initially. Going forward I will instead use my Tops Tahoma Field knife which is built for torture. I love my VV and it truly excels doing kitchen work and other slicing tasks. It also excels with a ferro rod. I am so happy with my VV.
Great review! Not that many reviews for this knife yet in english but i've watched a bunch in other languages with subtitles. I was gifted a pro version of the venture and it is probably the best slicing fixed blade out of the box that I have used. That being said the edge is very thin so I probably wont be using it for harder tasks unless it's an emergency. The worst part for me has easily been the sheath. Even after doing all the sheath "mods", the sheath is just frustrating to use. IMO if the blade is in the sheath the rest of the knife should just slide all the way in no matter what and should not require additional fidgeting. As it is now I feel like I "mis-sheath" it like 1/3 the time when not carefully looking at it.
I can see first time bushcraft knife buyers buying the Venture, but for those of us who already have several bushcraft knives, it doesn’t make much sense. I’d definitely take my Campero over the Venture any day of the week, but it doesn’t get much use either since I have my Lionsteel knives. I know they cost more, but they are really hard to beat imo. The Lionsteel M5, T6, and B35 have dominated all my other knives for about the last year and a half now. The only other knife that still gets used much is my TJ Schwarz Overland.
I do not agree , i own several bushcraft and survival knives and puuko's , As a collector. I have designed all purpose knives out of RWL-34, as a creator. I bought the venture pro for my collection, but it ended up as my nr 1 user. It is really a league of its own. Dont do the standard field tests. Just use it in the outdoors for all your tasks, i even use to dive with it. I am sure .after a while, every die hard outdoor dude will appreciate the knife as much as i do. And maybe you should compare it more with a neck knife, ( the light weight , the size, the full flat grind) then compare it to a camp knife or something. Which It is not. It is just a modern man bushcraft knife, with a highly appreciated performance. Even the mora army will be blown off their pedestal🤘. Needless to say, but i do it anyway. I do own better knives which out perform the Venture easily on different tasks, or on toughness or on edge retention. But i truly love it anyway. If you own one, you will know it.😊
Agree 100%. I live about an hour from the factory. We rocked up one day and rang the bell - The MD gave s a full factory tour on the spot. Quality knives made with real pride.
The Victorinox is a kitchen knife, and sadly their marketing department has got way ahead of itself associating it with bushcraft. The pricing is way too high too. Having said that if paired with a full sized bush tool like the Skrama then it should never have to work that hard. Often a cutting knife is what makes light work of light work...Annoyingly, I really like it..the design and looks. However, I might just stick with my Terava 110/120 out in the woods.
Agreed! After all, why would one baton a chunk of wood like that anyway? No-one is seriously going to try to make feathersticks from it. Yeah, Muskett, I also really like it, but for those tasks for which it was intended. I have other knives to do heavy work (CS Trail Master!).
For me, Victorinox stands for pocket knives. All of their full tang outdoor knives have so far failed to convince me. The venture is no exception. I would rather buy another Joker knife.
I did just that. 2. Joker Campero and Nieto Chaman EDC Already have a Joker Lynx. I would never baton with my flat grind Campero or Chamán. The Skandi grind Lynx is for that but I would rather use an axe.
Good for the camp kitchen where your not planning to put it through usage that is too tough, the Ruike Jager is still one of my favorite budget camp knives though at the price point that it comes in at, And it'll handle anything you throw at it for a blade of its size. Thanks for the great vid and keep making sharp things fun and enjoyable.
i bought one not too long ago, i bought it based on the reviews that it is like a kitchen knife. When i finally got the knife. it brought back memories from the time when i was a young boy. i remembered people in our household use our german kitchen knife for general tasks around the house, not just cooking. cutting string. cutting the garden hose. cutting strings or the common rope, so on and so forth. so basically this is like a beefed up kitchen knife with a different handle and point. i bought this because i wanted that kitchen knife cutting/slicing capability in utilitarian role at home or in camp. and it turned out to be correct, for me, thanks in part of this review and other reviews on youtube. for survival/bushcraft, i’ll use my other knives. for the curious about the handle material. feels so similar to victorinox’s cheap chefs knives and pairing knives.
Certain knives can baton, and certain knives can’t. I’ve found “in general”, that the thicker scandi grind knives can baton well, where the thinner flat or hollow grinds don’t. Right tool for the job and all that.
This knife is not meant to be anything like the garberg. I love scandi knives and use them almost exclusively, but I got the venture as a complete impulse buy after seeing a number of people roasting it online and honestly I found it to be so amazing. The sheath is weird, but I really have such a great experience using this knife. I think for most people who go hiking and backpacking this is a fantastic option.
To me, The Terava Jaakaripuukko, aka the Garberg Slayer, has already usurped it, and coupled with the Skrama 240, it’s a winning combination, in my opinion.
Thanks for your honest review. Bantoning is a must. I have the Moakniv Companion went with me to hell and back no blade deformation only one time I had to sharpen it.
Very fair review. I've got one and imho it *is* a decent outdoor kitchen knife with a terrible sheath, particularly if you are using the drill bit. Its competition is the Mora Kansbol/ 2000 which is much cheaper, has a sturdier more versatile blade and a better sheath. It does not compete with the Garberg. The Condor Terrasaur does that nicely
Personally I would compare the Venture with the Kansbol and not with the Garberg. Kansbol is designed for light Tasks, such as the Venture is mostly for carving. More like a crafting knife, less Bushcraft Heavy duty. Guess the Venture would make a nice allround fishing knife.
A point re cutting at 09:41 onwards, edge should be presented perpendicular to piece cut. This ensures secondary bevel angle is properly presented to piece. If edge is slanted a lesser edge angle is used, thus potentially more wear. Slant to vertical and approaching near 0°, as in slice, which is where those carbide come in handy !, AL.
It looks like a well designed knife, I can appreciate a thinner blade, they make better slicers and are much handier for fine tasks. If the blade were a tad thicker and the grind a little steeper you would likely see less edge deformation. I make full flat, convex and scandi grind knives and have learned the hard way how far you can go before failure. each grind has a particular strength and weakness. If they intended to compete with the Garberg they made a mistake, its a different type of knife altogether.
I think thats really the salient point - this is *not* supposed to replace the Garberg. Its supposed to supplement it, or be used in areas where the Garberg would fail, or at least be suboptimal. Bushcraft vs Survival. This knife is basically more a hiking or camping knife - youre wandering about and want to pass the time at camp by whittling, cooking, building. Itll do more than that in a pinch, but youre not supposed to use it for batoning. Youre not supposed to use it for prying. You *can* use it that way if your life depends on it, but youll need a new knife once youre back in civilization.
When you get this sort of deformation, try lowering the edge angle a bit. I don’t have one, but I’m assuming Victorinox probably uses a pretty typical factory edge angle on this knife. When you pair that with pretty thin geometry behind the edge it can lead to this sort of deformation in some uses. The secondary edge angle is probably too steep or obtuse, causing unnecessary forces on the thinner grind. Fine for normal cutting, but the extra forces will be exaggerated during battoning (especially if you’re dealing with stuff like pin knots). The relatively obtuse edge will cause too much friction initially. Thus, bending/deformation of the edge up beyond the apex and secondary bevel could occur. If you lower the edge angle (make it more acute), this will reduce the initial friction and slightly increase the thickness behind the edge (it’ll still remain much thinner relative most other production blades because they usually have overly thick primary grinds AND obtuse secondary edge angles). Now the forces won’t be so uneven and it will help prevent this sort of wavy deformation. Most any potential deformation should now be at the edge apex, which is much easier to remedy. For a better explanation, I highly recommend watching this old video by Cliff Stamp addressing this exact topic, which I have paraphrased in my comment. It is called “Knifechete: Gavko - a little use and some commentary”, particularly from about 4:35 minutes in. However, it could also be that this knife, due to the treatment of the steel in various stages of manufacturing, just lacks the necessary hardness and strength that would allow a thinner geometry to withstand batonning. Something 60-62 Rc might be better for the higher strength and resistance to plastic deformation you get from higher hardness. Spyderco’s AEB-L Mule Team is still available and I know those are run 62-63. The point was to hit what other production companies aren’t hitting. Check out Big Brown Bear’s video on the AEB-L Mule. AEB-L is basically the same as 14C28N. The latter is just a more stainless version of the former.
Felix mentioned, that its not designed for hard abuse tasks but instead optimized to be a aggresiv slicer for woodworking. Check felix channel and his many bushcrafting projects using only swiss army knives. The guy designed a knife for his needs and his needs never were a knife for heavy abuse.
oh and further note, I also did not at all understand why they made the blade so thin and delicate but a full tang at the same time, it does not make any sense at all, except that Victorinox lacks really knowledge in true bushcrafting or it was just plain Marketing ... Even Felix Immler is not commenting on it and only uses it for light task, which honestly you could mostly do with a SAK Outrider too :)
Some consider batoning knife abuse. You can damage any knife if you set your mind to it. However, I agree the Venture could be a bit stronger to take a little bit more abuse if it is to stand a chance in the outdoors. Maybe Victorinox will release another version just to fill that gap.
To my knownledge, even a knive with a 5 mm cpm-3V blade thickness and a flat grind can be deformed when batoning very dry oak. I have never had problems with Sabre grinds.
knives should be weaker. These thick knives SUCK at skinning and cutting, which is what knives are supposed to do. Anyone batoning in a true survival situation is out of their mind, with any knife, it isn't a technique needed for survival. As for bushcraft where weight/tools aren't a concern, you should already have a hatchet. Batoning is dumb.
it's called a warp. and it happened because of shock. as for "when it happened?" when you crossgrain batonned. that'll happen when shock is introduced. Happens on lots of Moras and even on the Garberg. It's not a "fatal flaw" at all. the knife is made to be a slicer not a prybar. Esee4 is a superb splitter along and across the grain
I think of the Venture as a knife with good carving credentials designed for people who like to hike the Appalachian Trail and use alcohol stoves to rehydrate meals. Strike a ferro rod, make a tent peg or a marshmallow roasting stick, cut some veggies and the Venture will shine. It's a solid $40-$50 knife and not a penny more.
It's very loud and then he shakes the thing like an Cocktail maker. Which honk shakes his knife like that and then wonders about any noises? When you walk or even run normally, there are no noises; the sound your steps make on the floor is much louder than any shaking noise. Oh and by the way, you can't compare the Gerber with the Victorinox because the entire blade structure is completely different. If so, you should actually use knives for testing that have the same characteristics. You don't compare a tank with a car just because both can drive.
Well, that sucks, I feel like every woods Knife should be able to handle the type of splitting I was doing to help get the wood shaped like you need for Bushcrafting.
@@gideonstactical I recommend you check out his channel. He’s doing a whole series on the Venture, I he even addresses the design issues both with the knife and the sheath.
it's disappointing to pay so much for a knife and have fail points whether handles, blades or sheaths that makes ya not want to pick them up and use them again. I do like the looks of the knife and would have no problem at all using a good sturdy kitchen knife for outdoor tasks. The Joker knife however 👍 thanks for the reviews
I would like to inquire whether the issue with my Victorinox knife was an isolated defect or if there have been other reported cases with the same problem. It would be beneficial an update video or any information regarding this issue. It appears that this may be a first-generation version that doesn't quite meet expectations, leaving room for improvement in future batches, whether it involves the heat treatment, or the blade geometry - whatever the root cause of this problem may be. (and improve the sheath)
This knife was clearly designed to be a crafting knife, not a hard use knife. A knife like this shouldn't be used for batoning pieces of wood like that. You can either have a precision cutting tool or a sharpened prybar, but don't ask one knife to be both.
The venture design looks weird. I don't like the Blade look. Had it looked traditional, I might have gotten one. When they fix it, along with the sheath design in the next model, I might get one.
I just don't think this knife is designed for batoning. It could be made to handle it by giving it more thickness behind the edge. You need to treat it as applying force only with your hands and take the benefit of the edge geometry to reduce cutting force.
Any knife can be used in a survival situations, but only a few will tick all the boxes. In a hard core survival situation I'll take the heavy robust knife any day. The two knife designs should remain distinctly different from each other. They are purpose built for different tasks.
Seeing the Joker Campero side by side, the choice is obvious to me. Now i might want to sand down the Campero handle ss the micarta slabs, i find, are a little too thick, but the blade shape is near the same, only thicker snd fad more sturdy
So during development it wasn’t going to be a bushcraft knife. It was a general use camping knife, and as a camping knife it is good. Victorinox then decided that it should be a bushcraft knife to have in conjunction with a hatchet which would take care of the wood aspect of bushcraft and then you wouldn’t baton with the victorinox. Then they decided to not mention the axe or hatchet and just ran with the bushcraft aspect and it’s really not a bushcraft knife.
If you like the blade shape of the Vic Venture and you want to abuse the knife.... use a Joker Ember F or a Joker Bushcrafter and it won't fail. I would compare the Venture more with the Mora Kansbol than the Garberg. Other concept, same use.
It is a similar size/ weight / thickness to the Old Hickory Fish and Game Kephart style knife that you beat the crap out of with no problem....But, like you said....with the full flat grind, both the Venture and O H Kephart are better for food prep/ fine work.
I’ve seen that happen with several knives when batoning through wood with a twisted or wavy grain. Knives that are thin behind the edge like full flat or hollow grinds are particularly susceptible to that.
I have a question (I'm a rank amateur!) Why would anyone baton a chunk of wood like that anyway, if the stated purpose of batoning is to get to the dry centre in order to get suitable wood to make feathersticks? Nobody is likely to be making feathersticks from that wood! Firewood? Would anyone really chop firewood up with his knife? Seriously? Use the knife for its intended use and carve wedges from wood and split with that. Its cheap, sustainable, and much more bushcrafty!
Random question. How do you feel about it compared to the cold steel hunter in 3v. The pro and hunter are about the same price. For a camp cook, then hunt then wood task in order of use. Thanks!
@@dennisleighton2812 some if it is for testing, what can a knife handle, example in reality do a take my knife and stick it in a stump and put tons of force on it. No, why would I, but I did that in the video to see the lateral strength of the blade. Do I go hiking in the woods and find a tree and just start stabbing and prying? No, but it is good to do some of that on film to see what the knife can take with in reason. While I was camping and need to baton some wood to carve and we did not backpack in a 2lbs axe. So it’s not usually but it happens and if this knife can’t handle that it would be good to know to help you the viewers know the capacity of the tool.
As far as batoning goes, for years I've used my victorinox camper to start the split and then use wedges. Trust me... when someone is thrown into a real survival situation you'll never want to beat on the back of your knife. The realization of the situation kinda keeps you from doing that.
Hey Aaron, what can i say, maybe its marketed the wrong way, i mean "for any situation". But the bottom line is its a great outdoor food prep knife. You could build a fire (without batoning), cut the groceries, make a wooden spoon etc. Not bad, not bad at all
To be entirely fair, I did actually like one thing in particular on the Venture. It was that exposed tang with the lanyard hole. I know that the lanyard hole is actually for an arbor bit, but let’s be honest, most of the time you’ll probably just be using a lanyard
If I will be fixed knife guy, I will choose Spyderco Mule for cutting task like food prep and Ontario RAT 7/ Gerber Strongarm or something smaller like Böker Caracal fixed for hard work in wood. I can switch this Victorinox with any folder with full flat grind at ease 😊
no i meant victoinox, i watched a vid with some victorinox workers on there as a guest and the host them asked what steel they use and they said its a secret 🤷♂️
My big Rowan Junglas did the same thing batoning through a not very large piece of soft, green acacia. Pretty common for plades to warp when batoning, especially if there is a knot or fork in the wood.
Just got word from Victoronix that they will not honor their warranty. My Venture cracked and broke and they told me to pound sand. Had to go through three weeks of emails and phone calls. Do not buy this knife. Buyer beware!!!
Another good review. Does Victorinox have a big problem with this knife? No. It has a marketing problem in how it promotes the knife. It is a good camp knife, and it would be a useful on the farm edc fixed blade, but is not suited to harder tasking associated with some bushcrafting and survival needs. If batonning is not your thing, this knife will probably serve as well as any other at the same price point. Coming from Australia, where most forest wood is very hard and much of it has irregular grain, batonning is not really the best approach to processing firewood. So, for me, the knife gets a tick. There are other ways to process wood. It was interesting to see on Alone Australia that very little batonning, if any, was done. Most of them had either a Silky saw of some sort or an axe.
Joker knives are amazing - I live about an hour from the factory. We rocked up one day, rang the bell and they gave us a full factory tour and let me take photos. Super quality knives made with pride.
Get just the knife for $75 --and pick up a third party decent leather sheath w/ dangler for $30 and you're good to go. I see it as a good camp kitchen blade. Bring your favorite scandi for bangin' around in the bushes. Two knives are fundamental, in my opinion.
that guy eats sleeps pisses and breathes victorinox kinda weird, its an ok brand this knife is not for heavy use whatsoever and too big for fine carving.
They shouuldn't have tried to sell this knife for hardcore users, they should have just said it was their new camping knife and that's it... no over expectations = no dissapointments... and what can I say, i'm not a hardcore user and I love this knife... 100% of it
Aaron, an interesting competitor in this bushcraft/camp knife space is the Ruike F118 (pronounced "rake" I believe). It is a full tang, high saber grind, 4.3" knife with 14C28N steel. Ruike is oddly an offshoot of Fenix flashlights. It is currently available on Amazon for about $80 but used to be $70 when I purchased one. I find it to be a very good camp knife, although I put my own edge on it. It may not a great bushcraft knife, but I don't really bushcraft seriously. The sheath is very good. It would be interesting if you could have a comparison video of this knife and the Mora Garberg.
G'day Aaron, I do like the hex driver, the ergos look pretty good and usually 14C is a reliable choice; though for primary and secondary blades, my priority is wood processing, over food prep/consumption, on the trail, usually sabre ground jobs, sometimes a scandi. Personally, I'll have the ol' Ranger 78 too, but if you really value a food knife in your pack, just throw in an Opinel, for next to no weight, or cost for that matter. Cheers Duke.
Amazing that this country was settled by frontiersmen and homesteaders using basically kitchen knives. Probably because they used knives for slicing tasks and axes or hatchets for chopping tasks. 🤷🏻♂️ I think I will stick with my Mora Classic 2, Victorinox Farmer X, and my Kalthoff Carving Hatchet.
A full flat grind blade of that geometry (similar to Fallkniven F1) isn't something I would ever use for batoning, that level of abuse is more suited to BK2 geometry.
I don't think "glorified kitchen knife" is fair. Just looking at it, you can see it's not made to hammer through wood. Anything up to that will be fine. Still, the 14C28N deformed rather than chipped, because it's a tough steel.
I have the exact same edge wave! And I didn't even batton anything, I only did some very light carving. I don't think it was the battoning in your case... I contacted Victorinox in Switzerland and they directed me to a representative in my country. They asked for the knife back to "analyze it". I hate returning stuff so I decided to keep it as is (my wave is smaller then yours)... I'm really disappointed with Victorinox, I don't think I'm buying a knife from them again. I agree, it's basically a glorified kitchen knife.
@@gideonstactical Or it's simply a bad design choice, this steel (assuming the heat treatment was good), with this blade geometry, is just not strong enough, in which case, I'm not sure what they can do about it unless they are willing to recall all the blades and change the type of steel.
Victorinox Venture is a GREAT Kitchen knife design for food preparation when you go camping. Do not use it for any kind of bushcraft. Thank you very very much!
Have you seen the introduction video from Felix Immler he clearly said that the knife wasn't designer to hard use and only light batoning and not what you put it through no knife with that thin edge will hold up to being hammered through that kind of knarly wood you forced it through. The knife is designed for carving and food prep, not to replace an axe.
Hate to say this but my Ventures blade chipped and broke significantly today just doing some minor spoon work. I used my hand in a light batoning motion and when the cut was finished I found a huge break in the blade with a nasty chip. I watched a couple of videos on YT and saw these issues but still pulled the trigger. Smdh. That blade should not have fractured like that unless I had taken a hammer to it.
@@gideonstactical yeah it is especially after I watched a few videos here on YT warning about this happening but giving SAK and Felix Immler the benefit of the doubt. I get what they’re trying to do with this knife but when they market it as “bushCraft” they better amp up the steel to take this type of work. Now I’m a Mora guy at heart and I thought this knife would replace my EDC Mora but to no avail. SAK needs to look at their tempering or manuf process and come up with something beefier or just sell this things as a “camp” knife and leave out the “bushCraft” in their marketing.
I saw lots of videos , including yours, finding a ideal grind of knives. Finally, I find a knife with two advantages from scandi and flat grinds. That is Mora Kansbol.
I think the biggest bushcraft knife failure was Spyderco's entry into the realm with that O1 model that had a tendency to snap where the blade met the handle because they skeletonized the tang and botched the heat treatment. Mine snapped while carving a set of tent stakes during its first outing. Absolute garbage knife.
An excellent critique making very good points. Garberg and Venture have different grinds. I might carry both. Felix and team put a lot of thought into the Venture so I want to try it. I don't entirely get the garberg but I love the Mora HD companion. The symbolic and behavioral brand attachment compels me to want a Venture. I don't think my life will ever hang on the choice of knife I am carrying but I do enjoy the thought experiment. The venture is a light duty knife in comparison to most knives being recommended for bushcraft. Point taken. A good knife for whittling while the gun-bearers assemble my sedan chair? Oops, I dropped my cigarette holder. Where is my monocle? What? It appears that the bearers are climbing that tree using their swedish knives. Is that a . . .
Yeah I'm back in 85' waiting for them to do an upgrade on steel and downgrade on price! (Until then I'll let them keep the crown with traditional SAK slip joints)
This quote is straight off the Victorinox Website….”A fixed-blade bushcraft knife in an adventure league of its own. Developed by outdoors experts, this reliable piece of specialist kit makes light work of any challenge.”
Compare the Kansbol to the Venture if you can.
@@adrianjagmag better do the böker bronco
@@hoehlentroll69 That is in 3V I think?
@@adrianjagmagthe mora have different steel too, but the böker is most similar out of the bunch
@@hoehlentroll69 12C27 and 14C28N are quite similar and conventional stainless steels, 3V is a particle metallurgy tool steel.
Well, you are using your knife wrong. You have realized this knife is part of the 3 cutting edge philosophy in Sweden and other countries. They would laugh at you if you were using this knife to split wood by batoning. You use an axe or hatchet for that. You also have a smaller knife for intricate work. The US idea of using a knife for all these tasks is just not how others outside the US think. Also, it wasn't the way early American settlers used their knives. There is a difference between survival type knife design and bushcraft designed knives. Using a knife for a for a purpose it wasn't designed for doesn't work well.
I don’t know about laughing, but i agree about the rest part of your comment. This knife is made for cutting and occasional carving. Nevertheless i saw quite a few youtubers from different regions (including EU) who were like “oh, i tried to baton a rock, and i broke the blade!” . I bet they paint their walls with pencils.
It's an American thing 😂 they all try to be navy seal with their bushcraft knives 😂 use a hatchet guys 😂😂
no thanks i prefer a mora for batoning since its much lighter.@@bunnyban5365
then they shouldn't advertise it as being capable of splitting, including having Felix use it for batoning. (In the 'carving a spoon with the Venture video)
Yup they should advertise it as a camp kitchen knife not a jack of all trades bushcraft knife which is false advertising to sell more.
I see your points, but the Garberg is honestly intended to be more of a survival knife. The Vic is more of a camp/bush craft knife. Felix Immler has a couple of videos highlighting its intended uses and techniques for it, he helped design it.
Ya, I have seen them. 👍
It does not need to exist
@@DinoNuccinone of us do but here we are
@@MacaroniDemon yeah but unlike this knife and ur mom, we aren't for sale or the subject of videos
Not really. The garberg is bushcraft first (scandi) flexing into “survival”. The Vic is a thin FFG, more food prep/ general purpose.
If you want the best cutting knife i have ever had, then the Venture is your choice. If you want to do heavy duty wood splitting(batoning) and other one tool survival stuff you have to get another knife. In combination with an axe you will be very happy with the venture outdoors. I love it but this is only my opinion and you have to ask yourself what you want to do with your knife( i would never ever do batoning with one of my knives, therefore the axe was invented)
Yeah, have fun hiking around with an axe. If I’m at home or around the shop or at camp that’s one thing, but if I’m hiking or mountain biking etc I’m not wasting the weight on carrying a hatchet/axe just to split a few pieces of wood.
@@John5.56 almost as if everyone has different needs and desires
@@MrPanos2000 Agreed, that’s why I stated mine.
Despite the tabloid title, what you found to be a problem in the review for me is evidence of the quality of the knife. Victorinox chose a good steel and tempered it very well since such a thin blade is flexible and did not crumble under stress. Most knives on the market are very hard and very brittle.... The Venture is definitely a Mora Kansbol category not a Garberg model. So the Garberg category is Victorinox Master mic L . In the comments it is apparent that the knife through a successful design, is well received by advanced users who are looking for a very light knife for precision cutting. The strange sheath needs a redesign. Thanks for the video.
Yeah it's not a Scandi grind, so it's better for food and such, but not as strong for survival stuff like batoning which really isn't actually a thing anyway. It's just a mildly arbitrary strength test.
I have lots of knives and I recently got a Venture and it's very impressive.
Very good for the price too, and excellent quality.
I expected it to be a bit less impressive.
Years ago when I went through Scouting we learned Toten'chip that dealt with when and how to use a knife, axe, and saw. Batoning with a knife was considered poor, if not unsafe, tool use. Sure you can use a knife to baton, just like you could use pliers to remove bolts. But, you gotta admit that seeing poor tool use makes one cringe.
Wrong
Glad I am not the only 'old' guy that was taught NOT to baton. I carry more than one knife and an axe in my canoe. I would never hammer on a knife. It goes back to using the right tool for the job; a knife is for cutting and an axe is for splitting. Yes you can use pliers to remove bolts, but look at the bolts when your done. They are JUNK.
one big, thick knife that is full tang(8" and above) is a lot more safer batoning than a rat-tail tang >4“ knife and is also safer to process wood than a hatchet or an axe
Swinging an axe is far more dangerous than batoning with a knife. It’s controlled with minimal movement of the blade. Not to mention the fact that carrying a 5 lb axe is ridiculous when hiking any distance when a sub 1 lb knife does the job. The shorter the axe, the more dangerous it is. I get it if you’re splitting large rounds around the house or car camping. But wrist size pieces in the backcountry, knife and saw.
For $25, you can get the Cold Steel SlockMaster. It offers an extra 2" in length, and extra 0.1mm thickness. Sure the steel is not as good, but it slices and batons great! with a 3/4ths tang!
Why would anyone buy an inferior kitchen knife for 3x more?
I’d love to see Victorinox start using 14c28n in other blades, especially kitchen knives. It’s about time for an upgrade and I can’t think of a better steel for Victorinox.
I think we all would love to see this and would be willing to pay more for it. Unfortunately victorinox is pretty immune to all suggestions and operate on the basis of not fixing what isn’t broken. And they still sell so many knives and thus don’t see any reason to change their products.
But they just did exactly that. New design, new steel. (For them)
@@donalddicorcia2433 i know. There is now some hope they would bring it to other models but its already several years people from the industry tried to get victorinox to use a better steel for their pocketknives
@@donalddicorcia2433 I’m talking about the old designs.
@@Superbus753 You’re almost certainly correct, about Victorinox and their closest competitors. There is a Chinese brand making budget kitchen knives in 14c38n, but they’ll need to prove themselves.
I think it fits perfectly into the Swiss Army Knife ethos of light use multitool. Loads of functionality in a compact package, like all SAK. Plus, I watch the designer's TH-cam channel and like him. I say watch his videos, see his design priorities, and decide if you agree.
I have great info and Felix is very skilled.
If the ethos of swiss army knife is light use, well idk, maybe they should have made a knife that complete that...
If you design a knife for light use then it doesn't have to be 5mm thick.
If it's 5mm thick than it should be able to endure quite some stress.
@@here_be_dragons9184 it ISN'T 5mm thick. ffs
1:02 2:37 I'm not in the market for a bushcraft knife specifically but I've gotta say, that's innovative, well executed and makes me want one fo r my collection. I always like seeing new features added to knives. ESPECIALLY if it replaces an obscure, limited purpose tool like a hook knife. Well done victorinox.
I have owned one since its release. I put it through a serious batoning session early on with absolutely no blade deformation. My test was to use a 4” length cut from a 4x4 post. After POUNDING away I realized I wasn’t making much advance only to realize that I was passing through a knot. So I eventually just stopped. I have absolutely no visible deformation whatsoever and I performed two such sessions using a 4x4 post section. Maybe yours does in fact have a heat treatment issue. But, your concern is well taken. I will never ever brutalize my knife as I did initially. Going forward I will instead use my Tops Tahoma Field knife which is built for torture. I love my VV and it truly excels doing kitchen work and other slicing tasks. It also excels with a ferro rod. I am so happy with my VV.
Great review! Not that many reviews for this knife yet in english but i've watched a bunch in other languages with subtitles. I was gifted a pro version of the venture and it is probably the best slicing fixed blade out of the box that I have used. That being said the edge is very thin so I probably wont be using it for harder tasks unless it's an emergency. The worst part for me has easily been the sheath. Even after doing all the sheath "mods", the sheath is just frustrating to use. IMO if the blade is in the sheath the rest of the knife should just slide all the way in no matter what and should not require additional fidgeting. As it is now I feel like I "mis-sheath" it like 1/3 the time when not carefully looking at it.
"It's basically a glorified kitchen knife" made me almost spit my coffee. That's a bit harsh i think.
I find it spot on. 😅
As opposed to the alternative: a glorified sharpened pry bar. I prefer a knife.
@@bokusimondesuvictorinox makes kitchen knives. They absolutely do not even compare. You don’t know what you’re talking about
I can see first time bushcraft knife buyers buying the Venture, but for those of us who already have several bushcraft knives, it doesn’t make much sense. I’d definitely take my Campero over the Venture any day of the week, but it doesn’t get much use either since I have my Lionsteel knives. I know they cost more, but they are really hard to beat imo. The Lionsteel M5, T6, and B35 have dominated all my other knives for about the last year and a half now. The only other knife that still gets used much is my TJ Schwarz Overland.
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I do not agree , i own several bushcraft and survival knives and puuko's , As a collector. I have designed all purpose knives out of RWL-34, as a creator. I bought the venture pro for my collection, but it ended up as my nr 1 user. It is really a league of its own. Dont do the standard field tests. Just use it in the outdoors for all your tasks, i even use to dive with it.
I am sure .after a while, every die hard outdoor dude will appreciate the knife as much as i do.
And maybe you should compare it more with a neck knife, ( the light weight , the size, the full flat grind) then compare it to a camp knife or something. Which It is not. It is just a modern man bushcraft knife, with a highly appreciated performance.
Even the mora army will be blown off their pedestal🤘.
Needless to say, but i do it anyway. I do own better knives which out perform the Venture easily on different tasks, or on toughness or on edge retention.
But i truly love it anyway.
If you own one, you will know it.😊
@@ropyro8903 that’s okay, you can disagree with me. You, like everyone, are entitled to be wrong.😅
Joker needs more exposure. Criminally underrated company
Totally! Got the New Bushlord in sleipner steel next week!!
Great knives. Obnoxious branding on blades. Ember with scandi grind rocks!
LOVE my Campero! There's just something about a clip point blade.
...and the less refined but more affordable Condor.
Agree 100%. I live about an hour from the factory. We rocked up one day and rang the bell - The MD gave s a full factory tour on the spot. Quality knives made with real pride.
The Victorinox is a kitchen knife, and sadly their marketing department has got way ahead of itself associating it with bushcraft. The pricing is way too high too.
Having said that if paired with a full sized bush tool like the Skrama then it should never have to work that hard. Often a cutting knife is what makes light work of light work...Annoyingly, I really like it..the design and looks. However, I might just stick with my Terava 110/120 out in the woods.
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Typo, 140 then. They are hard use knives. The Victorinox would make a good cutting patch knife.@@1800moonSugar
Agreed! After all, why would one baton a chunk of wood like that anyway? No-one is seriously going to try to make feathersticks from it.
Yeah, Muskett, I also really like it, but for those tasks for which it was intended. I have other knives to do heavy work (CS Trail Master!).
@@dennisleighton2812 wrong
@@DinoNucci What exactly is wrong? Not sure what you are referring to, or why.
For me, Victorinox stands for pocket knives. All of their full tang outdoor knives have so far failed to convince me. The venture is no exception. I would rather buy another Joker knife.
They make incredible multi tools and gadgets. But you're right, if I'm buying a knife my life might depend on, I'm getting something forged by a pro.
I did just that. 2. Joker Campero and Nieto Chaman EDC Already have a Joker Lynx. I would never baton with my flat grind Campero or Chamán. The Skandi grind Lynx is for that but I would rather use an axe.
Good for the camp kitchen where your not planning to put it through usage that is too tough, the Ruike Jager is still one of my favorite budget camp knives though at the price point that it comes in at, And it'll handle anything you throw at it for a blade of its size. Thanks for the great vid and keep making sharp things fun and enjoyable.
if you want a thicker blade stock or something cheaper and you're okay with Chinese made you could always go with the Ruike Jager too
The Venture is made for whitling & cooking.
Zzzz
i bought one not too long ago, i bought it based on the reviews that it is like a kitchen knife. When i finally got the knife. it brought back memories from the time when i was a young boy. i remembered people in our household use our german kitchen knife for general tasks around the house, not just cooking. cutting string. cutting the garden hose. cutting strings or the common rope, so on and so forth. so basically this is like a beefed up kitchen knife with a different handle and point.
i bought this because i wanted that kitchen knife cutting/slicing capability in utilitarian role at home or in camp. and it turned out to be correct, for me, thanks in part of this review and other reviews on youtube. for survival/bushcraft, i’ll use my other knives.
for the curious about the handle material. feels so similar to victorinox’s cheap chefs knives and pairing knives.
Certain knives can baton, and certain knives can’t. I’ve found “in general”, that the thicker scandi grind knives can baton well, where the thinner flat or hollow grinds don’t. Right tool for the job and all that.
This knife is not meant to be anything like the garberg. I love scandi knives and use them almost exclusively, but I got the venture as a complete impulse buy after seeing a number of people roasting it online and honestly I found it to be so amazing. The sheath is weird, but I really have such a great experience using this knife. I think for most people who go hiking and backpacking this is a fantastic option.
*_Victorinox - Fail_*
_Good Video!_
Its not made for batoning, that's the reason... Its not too soft, its not made for it..
Every tool have its purpose...
To me, The Terava Jaakaripuukko, aka the Garberg Slayer, has already usurped it, and coupled with the Skrama 240, it’s a winning combination, in my opinion.
Garberg slayer 🤣 that's cute
Thanks for your honest review. Bantoning is a must. I have the Moakniv Companion went with me to hell and back no blade deformation only one time I had to sharpen it.
Glad I could help
Very fair review. I've got one and imho it *is* a decent outdoor kitchen knife with a terrible sheath, particularly if you are using the drill bit. Its competition is the Mora Kansbol/ 2000 which is much cheaper, has a sturdier more versatile blade and a better sheath. It does not compete with the Garberg. The Condor Terrasaur does that nicely
Personally I would compare the Venture with the Kansbol and not with the Garberg. Kansbol is designed for light Tasks, such as the Venture is mostly for carving. More like a crafting knife, less Bushcraft Heavy duty. Guess the Venture would make a nice allround fishing knife.
A point re cutting at 09:41 onwards, edge should be presented perpendicular to piece cut. This ensures secondary bevel angle is properly presented to piece. If edge is slanted a lesser edge angle is used, thus potentially more wear. Slant to vertical and approaching near 0°, as in slice, which is where those carbide come in handy !,
AL.
the blade wave is really not a defect because you should not baton with a thin little blade.
It looks like a well designed knife, I can appreciate a thinner blade, they make better slicers and are much handier for fine tasks. If the blade were a tad thicker and the grind a little steeper you would likely see less edge deformation. I make full flat, convex and scandi grind knives and have learned the hard way how far you can go before failure. each grind has a particular strength and weakness. If they intended to compete with the Garberg they made a mistake, its a different type of knife altogether.
its not competition to garberg, its an alternative with a completely different grind, for cutting not batoning
I think thats really the salient point - this is *not* supposed to replace the Garberg. Its supposed to supplement it, or be used in areas where the Garberg would fail, or at least be suboptimal. Bushcraft vs Survival. This knife is basically more a hiking or camping knife - youre wandering about and want to pass the time at camp by whittling, cooking, building. Itll do more than that in a pinch, but youre not supposed to use it for batoning. Youre not supposed to use it for prying.
You *can* use it that way if your life depends on it, but youll need a new knife once youre back in civilization.
When you get this sort of deformation, try lowering the edge angle a bit.
I don’t have one, but I’m assuming Victorinox probably uses a pretty typical factory edge angle on this knife.
When you pair that with pretty thin geometry behind the edge it can lead to this sort of deformation in some uses. The secondary edge angle is probably too steep or obtuse, causing unnecessary forces on the thinner grind. Fine for normal cutting, but the extra forces will be exaggerated during battoning (especially if you’re dealing with stuff like pin knots).
The relatively obtuse edge will cause too much friction initially.
Thus, bending/deformation of the edge up beyond the apex and secondary bevel could occur.
If you lower the edge angle (make it more acute), this will reduce the initial friction and slightly increase the thickness behind the edge (it’ll still remain much thinner relative most other production blades because they usually have overly thick primary grinds AND obtuse secondary edge angles).
Now the forces won’t be so uneven and it will help prevent this sort of wavy deformation.
Most any potential deformation should now be at the edge apex, which is much easier to remedy.
For a better explanation, I highly recommend watching this old video by Cliff Stamp addressing this exact topic, which I have paraphrased in my comment. It is called “Knifechete: Gavko - a little use and some commentary”, particularly from about 4:35 minutes in.
However, it could also be that this knife, due to the treatment of the steel in various stages of manufacturing, just lacks the necessary hardness and strength that would allow a thinner geometry to withstand batonning.
Something 60-62 Rc might be better for the higher strength and resistance to plastic deformation you get from higher hardness.
Spyderco’s AEB-L Mule Team is still available and I know those are run 62-63. The point was to hit what other production companies aren’t hitting.
Check out Big Brown Bear’s video on the AEB-L Mule. AEB-L is basically the same as 14C28N. The latter is just a more stainless version of the former.
Thanks for passing along the info
14C28N can actually get harder than AEB-L because of the added nitrogen. 🙂
Felix mentioned, that its not designed for hard abuse tasks but instead optimized to be a aggresiv slicer for woodworking.
Check felix channel and his many bushcrafting projects using only swiss army knives. The guy designed a knife for his needs and his needs never were a knife for heavy abuse.
then why, in his spoon making video, does Felix baton with this knife?
@@justicar5 as felix mentiond in his video about the venture light batoning is no problem. That is not a hard abuse task.
This precise knife’s been made for me. I never use my knives to baton.
Then you will like it!
oh and further note, I also did not at all understand why they made the blade so thin and delicate but a full tang at the same time, it does not make any sense at all, except that Victorinox lacks really knowledge in true bushcrafting or it was just plain Marketing ... Even Felix Immler is not commenting on it and only uses it for light task, which honestly you could mostly do with a SAK Outrider too :)
Some consider batoning knife abuse. You can damage any knife if you set your mind to it. However, I agree the Venture could be a bit stronger to take a little bit more abuse if it is to stand a chance in the outdoors. Maybe Victorinox will release another version just to fill that gap.
To my knownledge, even a knive with a 5 mm cpm-3V blade thickness and a flat grind can be deformed when batoning very dry oak. I have never had problems with Sabre grinds.
knives should be weaker. These thick knives SUCK at skinning and cutting, which is what knives are supposed to do. Anyone batoning in a true survival situation is out of their mind, with any knife, it isn't a technique needed for survival. As for bushcraft where weight/tools aren't a concern, you should already have a hatchet. Batoning is dumb.
Blade ends at 0.4mm, it's normal for it to get crushed, it happened to me too, it can be easily restored with the Dc4
NOTHING will replace a Scandi grind knife for me. $10-20 Moras fit the bill.
it's called a warp. and it happened because of shock. as for "when it happened?" when you crossgrain batonned.
that'll happen when shock is introduced. Happens on lots of Moras and even on the Garberg.
It's not a "fatal flaw" at all. the knife is made to be a slicer not a prybar. Esee4 is a superb splitter along and across the grain
As always, thanks for a logical, fact-filled review. I enjoy your content regarding gear reviews, more than almost any other channel. Keep it up.
I think of the Venture as a knife with good carving credentials designed for people who like to hike the Appalachian Trail and use alcohol stoves to rehydrate meals. Strike a ferro rod, make a tent peg or a marshmallow roasting stick, cut some veggies and the Venture will shine. It's a solid $40-$50 knife and not a penny more.
It's very loud and then he shakes the thing like an Cocktail maker. Which honk shakes his knife like that and then wonders about any noises? When you walk or even run normally, there are no noises; the sound your steps make on the floor is much louder than any shaking noise. Oh and by the way, you can't compare the Gerber with the Victorinox because the entire blade structure is completely different. If so, you should actually use knives for testing that have the same characteristics. You don't compare a tank with a car just because both can drive.
This knife is not meant for baton use. The co-designer of the knife Felix Immler even admits that.
Well, that sucks, I feel like every woods Knife should be able to handle the type of splitting I was doing to help get the wood shaped like you need for Bushcrafting.
@@gideonstactical I recommend you check out his channel. He’s doing a whole series on the Venture, I he even addresses the design issues both with the knife and the sheath.
it's disappointing to pay so much for a knife and have fail points whether handles, blades or sheaths that makes ya not want to pick them up and use them again. I do like the looks of the knife and would have no problem at all using a good sturdy kitchen knife for outdoor tasks. The Joker knife however 👍 thanks for the reviews
I think joker proves you can have a nice flat grind, slicey blade, while still being durable, and having a nice sheath
You find this much for knife?
I would like to inquire whether the issue with my Victorinox knife was an isolated defect or if there have been other reported cases with the same problem. It would be beneficial an update video or any information regarding this issue. It appears that this may be a first-generation version that doesn't quite meet expectations, leaving room for improvement in future batches, whether it involves the heat treatment, or the blade geometry - whatever the root cause of this problem may be. (and improve the sheath)
This knife was clearly designed to be a crafting knife, not a hard use knife. A knife like this shouldn't be used for batoning pieces of wood like that. You can either have a precision cutting tool or a sharpened prybar, but don't ask one knife to be both.
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@@DinoNucci 💩🤡
The venture design looks weird. I don't like the Blade look. Had it looked traditional, I might have gotten one. When they fix it, along with the sheath design in the next model, I might get one.
Good that I bought the campero. Obviously the overall design and shead is better
Love that blade
I just don't think this knife is designed for batoning. It could be made to handle it by giving it more thickness behind the edge. You need to treat it as applying force only with your hands and take the benefit of the edge geometry to reduce cutting force.
It doesn't need to exist
@@DinoNucci does anything need to exist?
@@JohnFrumFromAmerica I'm fond of your mom existing
@@DinoNucci that's nice she is a good person. but she still doesn't need to exist.
I was about to punch someone when you tossed the Morakniv at the beginning. I think I’ve developed an unhealthy relationship with that knife.
Any knife can be used in a survival situations, but only a few will tick all the boxes. In a hard core survival situation I'll take the heavy robust knife any day. The two knife designs should remain distinctly different from each other. They are purpose built for different tasks.
Yup I like going camping with a Cold Steel Ghurka Kukri along with a Hultafors and a Silky saw in my kit.
So close but no cigar. I love the full flat.
Meet too!
Seeing the Joker Campero side by side, the choice is obvious to me. Now i might want to sand down the Campero handle ss the micarta slabs, i find, are a little too thick, but the blade shape is near the same, only thicker snd fad more sturdy
So during development it wasn’t going to be a bushcraft knife. It was a general use camping knife, and as a camping knife it is good. Victorinox then decided that it should be a bushcraft knife to have in conjunction with a hatchet which would take care of the wood aspect of bushcraft and then you wouldn’t baton with the victorinox. Then they decided to not mention the axe or hatchet and just ran with the bushcraft aspect and it’s really not a bushcraft knife.
If you like the blade shape of the Vic Venture and you want to abuse the knife.... use a Joker Ember F or a Joker Bushcrafter and it won't fail.
I would compare the Venture more with the Mora Kansbol than the Garberg. Other concept, same use.
It is a similar size/ weight / thickness to the Old Hickory Fish and Game Kephart style knife that you beat the crap out of with no problem....But, like you said....with the full flat grind, both the Venture and O H Kephart are better for food prep/ fine work.
I’ve seen that happen with several knives when batoning through wood with a twisted or wavy grain. Knives that are thin behind the edge like full flat or hollow grinds are particularly susceptible to that.
Ya, first knife in years I have had do that sadly
I have a question (I'm a rank amateur!) Why would anyone baton a chunk of wood like that anyway, if the stated purpose of batoning is to get to the dry centre in order to get suitable wood to make feathersticks? Nobody is likely to be making feathersticks from that wood! Firewood? Would anyone really chop firewood up with his knife? Seriously? Use the knife for its intended use and carve wedges from wood and split with that. Its cheap, sustainable, and much more bushcrafty!
Random question. How do you feel about it compared to the cold steel hunter in 3v. The pro and hunter are about the same price. For a camp cook, then hunt then wood task in order of use. Thanks!
@@dennisleighton2812 some if it is for testing, what can a knife handle, example in reality do a take my knife and stick it in a stump and put tons of force on it. No, why would I, but I did that in the video to see the lateral strength of the blade. Do I go hiking in the woods and find a tree and just start stabbing and prying? No, but it is good to do some of that on film to see what the knife can take with in reason. While I was camping and need to baton some wood to carve and we did not backpack in a 2lbs axe. So it’s not usually but it happens and if this knife can’t handle that it would be good to know to help you the viewers know the capacity of the tool.
@@shantymuse I love the master hunter. It is thicker, so not as slicy but very good and still strong especially the 3V
As far as batoning goes, for years I've used my victorinox camper to start the split and then use wedges. Trust me... when someone is thrown into a real survival situation you'll never want to beat on the back of your knife. The realization of the situation kinda keeps you from doing that.
It's a kitchen knife with light bushcraft capability. I still prefer my Fallkniven S1 when it comes to small fixed blades
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Hey Aaron, what can i say, maybe its marketed the wrong way, i mean "for any situation". But the bottom line is its a great outdoor food prep knife. You could build a fire (without batoning), cut the groceries, make a wooden spoon etc. Not bad, not bad at all
It's sold out !!!! That's the verdict.
To be entirely fair, I did actually like one thing in particular on the Venture. It was that exposed tang with the lanyard hole. I know that the lanyard hole is actually for an arbor bit, but let’s be honest, most of the time you’ll probably just be using a lanyard
If I will be fixed knife guy, I will choose Spyderco Mule for cutting task like food prep and Ontario RAT 7/ Gerber Strongarm or something smaller like Böker Caracal fixed for hard work in wood.
I can switch this Victorinox with any folder with full flat grind at ease 😊
wow great vid, thanks. btw victorinox doesnt want to say what steel they use because its their own secret steel they make
Do you mean mora?
Thanks for watching!!!! 😊
no i meant victoinox, i watched a vid with some victorinox workers on there as a guest and the host them asked what steel they use and they said its a secret 🤷♂️
@@jeremyhollstrom7818it's 1.4116 steel.
@@jeremyhollstrom7818 It says 14c28n right on the blade. Excellent steel.
My big Rowan Junglas did the same thing batoning through a not very large piece of soft, green acacia. Pretty common for plades to warp when batoning, especially if there is a knot or fork in the wood.
Just got word from Victoronix that they will not honor their warranty. My Venture cracked and broke and they told me to pound sand. Had to go through three weeks of emails and phone calls. Do not buy this knife. Buyer beware!!!
Another good review. Does Victorinox have a big problem with this knife? No. It has a marketing problem in how it promotes the knife. It is a good camp knife, and it would be a useful on the farm edc fixed blade, but is not suited to harder tasking associated with some bushcrafting and survival needs. If batonning is not your thing, this knife will probably serve as well as any other at the same price point.
Coming from Australia, where most forest wood is very hard and much of it has irregular grain, batonning is not really the best approach to processing firewood. So, for me, the knife gets a tick. There are other ways to process wood. It was interesting to see on Alone Australia that very little batonning, if any, was done. Most of them had either a Silky saw of some sort or an axe.
What's with the jimping near the point?
It’s ok but not need
Great Rewiev. Today I tested the Venture in the Garberg-Sheat… Fitted well! And the Garberg in the Venture-Sheat: The same😅
I bought a Joker Bushcraft knife and am quite satisfied with it.
Joker knives are amazing - I live about an hour from the factory. We rocked up one day, rang the bell and they gave us a full factory tour and let me take photos. Super quality knives made with pride.
I am satisfied with my Morakniv Garberg.
Get just the knife for $75 --and pick up a third party decent leather sheath w/ dangler for $30 and you're good to go. I see it as a good camp kitchen blade. Bring your favorite scandi for bangin' around in the bushes. Two knives are fundamental, in my opinion.
Do a side by side with one of the Victorinox bushcraft knives that were made in Spain.
Felix Immler on TH-cam, who was involved in the design, says it’s only for very light batoning if at all. It’s just not made for it, not a fatal flaw.
that guy eats sleeps pisses and breathes victorinox kinda weird, its an ok brand this knife is not for heavy use whatsoever and too big for fine carving.
What do you expect for a flat grind?
Was really excited for this knife. I would of ordered it last week if I lt was avaliable l. Thank you fir saving me a 100 bucks. Huge bummer
Ya, wish it was not the case. Hope they keep going this direction though
Buy it and you will love it
They shouuldn't have tried to sell this knife for hardcore users, they should have just said it was their new camping knife and that's it... no over expectations = no dissapointments... and what can I say, i'm not a hardcore user and I love this knife... 100% of it
Yeah I'll get an old hickory for 20 bucks and make a sheath.
One should use the right tool. Splitting wood-Hatchet.
Aaron, an interesting competitor in this bushcraft/camp knife space is the Ruike F118 (pronounced "rake" I believe). It is a full tang, high saber grind, 4.3" knife with 14C28N steel. Ruike is oddly an offshoot of Fenix flashlights. It is currently available on Amazon for about $80 but used to be $70 when I purchased one. I find it to be a very good camp knife, although I put my own edge on it. It may not a great bushcraft knife, but I don't really bushcraft seriously. The sheath is very good. It would be interesting if you could have a comparison video of this knife and the Mora Garberg.
G'day Aaron, I do like the hex driver, the ergos look pretty good and usually 14C is a reliable choice; though for primary and secondary blades, my priority is wood processing, over food prep/consumption, on the trail, usually sabre ground jobs, sometimes a scandi. Personally, I'll have the ol' Ranger 78 too, but if you really value a food knife in your pack, just throw in an Opinel, for next to no weight, or cost for that matter.
Cheers Duke.
Amazing that this country was settled by frontiersmen and homesteaders using basically kitchen knives. Probably because they used knives for slicing tasks and axes or hatchets for chopping tasks. 🤷🏻♂️
I think I will stick with my Mora Classic 2, Victorinox Farmer X, and my Kalthoff Carving Hatchet.
A full flat grind blade of that geometry (similar to Fallkniven F1) isn't something I would ever use for batoning, that level of abuse is more suited to BK2 geometry.
I don't think "glorified kitchen knife" is fair. Just looking at it, you can see it's not made to hammer through wood. Anything up to that will be fine. Still, the 14C28N deformed rather than chipped, because it's a tough steel.
I have the exact same edge wave! And I didn't even batton anything, I only did some very light carving.
I don't think it was the battoning in your case...
I contacted Victorinox in Switzerland and they directed me to a representative in my country.
They asked for the knife back to "analyze it". I hate returning stuff so I decided to keep it as is (my wave is smaller then yours)...
I'm really disappointed with Victorinox, I don't think I'm buying a knife from them again.
I agree, it's basically a glorified kitchen knife.
Dang! That is crazy!! Not sure what’s going in this that. Sounds like a bad heat treat.
@@gideonstactical That's what I think too...
@@gideonstactical Or it's simply a bad design choice, this steel (assuming the heat treatment was good), with this blade geometry, is just not strong enough, in which case, I'm not sure what they can do about it unless they are willing to recall all the blades and change the type of steel.
But a very nice kitchen knife. I would like to cook with it.
@@acr823 😅
The grind on the mora is beautiful
Thank you for the video, I feel very well informed.
Glad it was helpful!
My initial impression was damn that thing looks like a cheap steak knife.
Hahaha sadly that’s not far off.
Does Victorinox warranty cover this kind of damage?
That wanted to look at it
@@gideonstactical please give an update if they will repair or replace the blade
Everything about this knife screams hunting knife or camp food prep knife. Victorinox really missed the mark on this knife.
Victorinox Venture is a GREAT Kitchen knife design for food preparation when you go camping. Do not use it for any kind of bushcraft. Thank you very very much!
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Have you seen the introduction video from Felix Immler he clearly said that the knife wasn't designer to hard use and only light batoning and not what you put it through no knife with that thin edge will hold up to being hammered through that kind of knarly wood you forced it through. The knife is designed for carving and food prep, not to replace an axe.
Hate to say this but my Ventures blade chipped and broke significantly today just doing some minor spoon work. I used my hand in a light batoning motion and when the cut was finished I found a huge break in the blade with a nasty chip. I watched a couple of videos on YT and saw these issues but still pulled the trigger. Smdh. That blade should not have fractured like that unless I had taken a hammer to it.
That is very frustrating
@@gideonstactical yeah it is especially after I watched a few videos here on YT warning about this happening but giving SAK and Felix Immler the benefit of the doubt. I get what they’re trying to do with this knife but when they market it as “bushCraft” they better amp up the steel to take this type of work. Now I’m a Mora guy at heart and I thought this knife would replace my EDC Mora but to no avail. SAK needs to look at their tempering or manuf process and come up with something beefier or just sell this things as a “camp” knife and leave out the “bushCraft” in their marketing.
Just got word back from Victoronix that they will not honor the warranty and I’m screwed. Do not buy this knife!
I saw lots of videos , including yours, finding a ideal grind of knives. Finally, I find a knife with two advantages from scandi and flat grinds. That is Mora Kansbol.
I think the biggest bushcraft knife failure was Spyderco's entry into the realm with that O1 model that had a tendency to snap where the blade met the handle because they skeletonized the tang and botched the heat treatment. Mine snapped while carving a set of tent stakes during its first outing. Absolute garbage knife.
Yikes!!!
I'm a fan of spear points for some reason. Really want this knife. But I also really want the new leatherman arc.
An excellent critique making very good points. Garberg and Venture have different grinds. I might carry both. Felix and team put a lot of thought into the Venture so I want to try it. I don't entirely get the garberg but I love the Mora HD companion. The symbolic and behavioral brand attachment compels me to want a Venture. I don't think my life will ever hang on the choice of knife I am carrying but I do enjoy the thought experiment. The venture is a light duty knife in comparison to most knives being recommended for bushcraft. Point taken.
A good knife for whittling while the gun-bearers assemble my sedan chair? Oops, I dropped my cigarette holder. Where is my monocle? What? It appears that the bearers are climbing that tree using their swedish knives. Is that a . . .
Thanks that confirms my thinking about the Victorinox
Yeah I'm back in 85' waiting for them to do an upgrade on steel and downgrade on price! (Until then I'll let them keep the crown with traditional SAK slip joints)