I'm already getting April Fools videos in my recommended, but I can always count on IWinToLose to put out informative, entertaining, and engaging videos even on April Fools!
@@mr.lemonlime8935 Could be something to do with his "controversy" with Keqing Mains (leading Genshin theory crafters). I don't know much about it, so TakE thIs wItH a GraiN oF SAlt, but apparently he was "kicked out" (whatever that means). One of the other more popular theory crafters, Zyox, confirmed this on a stream when someone sent a message like "Heard IWTL got kicked out of Keqing Mains *insert slew of Twitch language here*". Zyox cited something about IWTL's Noelle v Xiao v Itto video, where Noelle pulled ahead of Xiao in terms of DPS - obviously IWTL didn't fake anything, but it was supposedly "misleading." Zyox refused to elaborate Or perhaps odd testing methods, I wouldn't know. I'm no theory crafter, nor do I have an in with Keqing Mains, so I'd love for the other person to elaborate - unless they're talking out of their ass like I am LMAO
I'm no expert, but I'm willing to bet the "boba-roken slash" has something to do with interplay between hitlag and how many frames the game is being rendered at. Hitting attacks at the right frame intervals is likely pausing the in-game timer for Ayato's skill more often than causing hitlag in a different rhythm with higher/lower attack speed; sort of like a resonant frequency. It would be interesting to perform tests on this phenomenon alongside a FPS counter and at different numbers of enemies hit (because I believe that impacts hitlag?), but I don't have the weapons/constellations required.
yeah i'm surprised he didn't come to the conclusion already since it's a relatively known thing for hu tao and setting your FPS cap to 30. this and also how he sometimes moves away or pushes into the plant friend while not waiting for it to fall all the way having some clipping issues, but ayato is the first character that isn't animation locked to the current attack speed cap for all other characters. it's a shame we just had the 2 party event and that it also didn't have the 150% atk speed buff skills like the first one to really go HAM with him... also i think he completely forgot about beidou giving more atk speed than chongyun for a total of 39% with R5 pine vs 32%
@@richardjones8846 maybe to do with being right up against it so the the enemy is hit directly with the sword rather than a seperate aoe for the water slash? Seems unlikely there'd be two hitboxes like that, but it'd make sense of the water hit box isn't considered "ranged" and therefore doesn't activate hit stun
I think Ayato's E slashes are meant to have little to no hitlag, and iirc most skills that give you infusion (Raiden's, Hu Tao's, Noelle's) are suppossed to increase the duration if you experience hitlag. Somehow I guess gaining that specific attack speed % makes it so his slashes have hitlag (?) and thus his E last longer. Even then, I think 3 whole seconds is a lot, most cases I think it's barely one more second. EDIT: Alright, so today it was made official by Hoyoverse that the abnormal extension (Aside from natural hitlag extension) is a bug and it will be fixed in 3.0, enjoy your boba-roken slashes while you can!
Actually, it's perfectly normal for hitlag extension to extend the duration that long. A perfectly dash canceled hutao c1 can stay in her e for up to 14 seconds.
@@ChaosRune probably beacuse if you hold the button you have more lag input base on your connection , mouse , frame rate etc ... While spamming does still deal with them but the game register them faster
This guy is seriously doing what I've always wanted to do in this game if only i have the resources lol So sincerely thank you for making my dreams a reality,it really is satisfying and fun watching you do this character/damage theories 🔥🔥
As mentioned by some other comments, max attack speed was found to be around 63%. The channel Engineering Plastics does a bunch of videos on attack speed, with this Razor one showing the 63% attack speed mark: th-cam.com/video/NjgtoPhe-io/w-d-xo.html
hijack-ing this comment to say that according to the recent ingame update notice, there is a very low chance of Ayato's skill up to doubling the duration of some effects like his own skill duration, corrosion and smoldering flames, among others. since the bug is related to fundamental game logic, it will be fixed in version 3.0 after comprehensive testing.
The 29 slashes "bug" is something I experienced near a wall and in abyss , he stayed in his E for 3 more seconds or so and actually I think it has nothing to do with attack speed , cuz the only attack speed buff I had is skyward blade's . And I know I friend who had the same bug , apparently he could activate it when facing Zhongli pillar while hitting enemies . So I assume it triggers when near obstacles or something?
Just happened to me while testing the N1E tech. I was testing on the pyro resgisvine, no attack speed buff at all, I hit 19 slashes and stayed for 2-3 seconds more for some weird ass reason. EDIT: Happened again, 18 hits this time.
@@lunag.1521 Yeah like he can pull it half of the time , I can pull it as well with low ping and such. He did it in a domain , don't remember which one , but he stands with Ayato behind a Zhongli pillar.
Ayato really do be the rng king huh. Not only does his burst hit targets randomly, his artifact set also only has certain chances of procing and his slashes are also random.
I feel so sad that people like I Win To Lose who actually put on the work to make meaningful content do not get much subs or support, while there are genshin channels that post nothing but BS, yet they get so much views and subs, this world is not fair
That's probably because not everyone cares about too much technical details on the meta of this game of which this is what this channel is all about. Entertainment will always win out anyways
Mostly bcz the community became more of grumpy grandparents who nickpick anything in the name of "wanting the game to get better". Sad, but drama does generate more viewers...
Okay i cant speak about the other ones. But with my experience with yunjin, her ult can make your attacks "heavier" sometimes. Which creates more instances of hitlag. Most likely the reason why 12% of yunjin out performed Jean 15%
Reminds me of how in DMC 4 with Vergil he had a broken piece of tech that was super hard to do. The way you'd do it is charging up a Judgment Cut, Teleporting, but release a perfect JC at the instant you teleport. This causes Vergil to fly up very little but cancels the teleport. It also let's you perform another JC much quicker so you could be constantly throwing out one of the stronger moves multiple times a second. If you've seen speedruns this is what they do when playing Vergil. Again this is pretty hard to do though. I've kind of been waiting for characters with odd bits of tech like this to come out. Screw op equipment, I wish to slay all with my op combos!
Oh, so THIS is why we got that notification a few days ago about them needing to fix a "fundamental logic" bug with Ayato's Elemental Skill lasting twice as long as it should. Seems like a pretty big one, since the notification also says it won't be fixed until 3.0. Really funny to stumble on a video explaining it today; I was wondering! XD
HoYoLAB posted today that this is a bug, to-be-fixed in 3.0. Ayato can also experience Corruption or other debuffs for an extended period of time as well. Check your Update Summary in-game. Cheers
This is complete speculation and I have no way to check or prove, but it might be possible that the game is generating attack faster than the E animation is letting making the timing between each slash at higher attack speed clunky, as an attack was generated in the middle of an animation and entering an internal cooldown before a new attack instance can be generated, therefore making the window between slashes larger, and the 44% ats might be the sweet spot between animation and attacks.
@@Kekekekenn it says in the announcements that it was a ‘fundamental logic’ problem, so I guess it has to do with some code that is sensitive to tinkering, and they need to be careful with edits otherwise even more bugs will be made?
So, with the potions event, you could get up to over 200% attack speed. However, the boost starts to get smaller at 63% and nearly completely disappears at 163%.
@@Daria-Morgendorffer Bro so you're focusing on your finger not the gameplay when play games? Dang dude just get a piano or type a thesis if you're focusing on your finger that much lol You even wondering how holding mouse button is more fun than other characters, but not saying not more fun than clicking mouse button. I smell haters sheesshh
Kinda nuts to think I am just halfway down the video and see that IWTL resetted that cryo regisvine for 30 times. Means you have to go away and knock it's ball down every damn single time. Respect 🙏
There is a possibility that the 29 hits from 44% atk speed was due to hit-lag extension. Hu Tao infusion can last 12 sec or so using hit lag extension, and that's my reasoning to believe it. The more slashes then could be a result of the longer skill duration. Although I'm not a 100% sure; I may be wrong.
I think mihoyo released an anoincement that ayato is experiencing a bug where he extends status effects like his E, corrosion, burning, etc, to double duration. Hey said they will be applying a fix on patch 3.0
It looks like this game does probably calculate attack attack speed enhancements as a geometric increase (i.e. the percent increase in the number of hits is (1/(1-X))*100%, where X is the sum of your attack buffs, expressed as a decimal)
U can also do n1e (16slashes) whilst holding W(walk) and activating E. (imo less demanding than AA activation cuz i have a faulty mouse) I did this for fun because it looks badass leaving a clone on an enemy and then rapidly slashing them from behind, realizing i've been making 16 slashes after a ton of times i did it.
44% AS might lead to similar situation with Hu Tao, where her E duraction may get extended a little, due to the hit lag, aka: "body cutting delay" which overall; slowers attack animation... and seems cuz of that, affecting skill duraction as well. I think you should do few more tests, preferably in a different environments: - Few attempts should be done on open space - without attacking anything, which should give a general idea, are hit boxes are the thing. - And new more tries, but against smaller /Non-Flower Bosses; as their corolla model being on ground, seems to interfere attacks quite often.
Mihoyo really did ayato ditry by removing his special attack speed bonus passive from his burst and gave him a generic normal attack damage bonus. And put the attack speed on his constellation
After 1 week of obsessing on Ayato’s attack speed build, i found the sweet spot for the attack speed cap on ayato. Its 50%. I have chong yun with SOBP R1, c6 yunjin and c2 jean which gives me 47% aspd. I was able to get 23 slashes always and consistent and i think that is the highest slash count ayato can do. For f2p set up, 18-24% will guarantee them a consistent 20 slash count for ayato.
In the game notice, they have mentioned said Ayato skills have a very low chance to extend and this will be fix in 3.0 that’s why this test results is weird
I think they spoke about the bobaroken slash, I think it is related to the framerate that it bugs Ayato’s skill duration. My recommendation is to not build teams revolving the bobaroken slash, because I think the place where they mentioned it (cant remember if it was an announcement in twitter or one from the ingame bug fixes section) they were planning on fixing it by 3.0 so regardless of what it is it’s not gonna stay with us for very long
Hey IWTL, you don’t have to continuously tap to attack with Ayato if you are in his skill. You can just hold down the button as I’m you are doing a perpetual charged attack
Ok, so apparently the Inexplicable increase sometimes is due to a logic error that will be fixed in version 3.0. Hoyoverse addressed it in a post just today
I heard they gave Ayato and Haran to 2.7 beta testers. So I'm a little scared for him. I hope they revert Yae's kit and stop being scared to admit mistakes.
@ezurachan childe was also given in one of the beta test back then. hyv is just probs testing his synergy w the new characters or the hydro resonance. unlike yae who received a lot of backlash in her release, ayato was received positively by the community i doubt they would nerf him since theres a law in china, which says thats illegal.
your 29 slashes are probably because you're at melee range and due to the attack's hitlag which prolongs skill durations (like hutao E), you get extra time on ayato E
I think the max attack speed is 160%, someone did a test of 200+% attack speed VS 144% VS 163%, and 144% is slightly slower than the rest but 163 and 200+% is the same, they did it using abyss normal attack buff card and floor buff Also idk how exactly but extending skill/burst duration is possible, some said because of the hitlag and frame data/fps that you end up having a longer skill duration and hence lower cooldown. Ayato should have 2 second downtime but there are time when your burst last over 20 sec without any CD reduction Would be nice to know more technical detail side of thing and experiment the Bobabroken against an enemy VS in the air
In today's update they noted that the boba-roken slash is indeed a bug but won't be fixed until 3.0......... Which is like at LEAST 2-3 patches away (including the current one); that's kind of a long time, and lol not to be a spoiled brat but can we just have a 9s skill duration then :x
Thanks this vedio was useful. I was able to understand the legend of the Boba the Boba rocken slash, the most important thing to understand in the vedio
It seems like you accidentally found a way to semi-reliably trigger a known bug: From genshin's update summary and known issues notices: "〓Known Issues〓 - Continuous attacks have a very low probability of abnormally and significantly extending the duration of various effects on the character Kamisato Ayato (up to twice the duration), including but not limited to the "Takimeguri Kanka" state from his Elemental Skill, "Corrosion", and "Smoldering Flames" that are applied to the character. The developers have detected the initial cause of this issue. As the fix involves fundamental logic, this issue will be fixed in Version 3.0 after comprehensive testing."
Abyss floor 5 has a 20% atk speed buff (above certain HP% thresholds) and floor 6 has a 30% atk speed buff (with a stack mechanic), in case anyone wants to go to the absolute maximum atk speed and the absolute minimum usefullness at the same time... By holding the mouse button I always got 15 slashes when attaking an enemy, but always got 16 slashes when attacking the air. I know very little about hit-lag mechanics but this goes against what I thought I knew.
I believe there seems to be some weirdness going on with Ayato's E and buffs which Hoyoverse even plans to patch in 3.0 as far as the note ingame states edit: the notice can be found under 'update summary'
The real question here...After this team bursts and his E, then what??? What bothers me is that the team ( any team so far) is basically dead after all their bursts. I can't find a good way (team) to have acceptable amount of attack speed, damage and energy recharge in the same time. This character is so well made but no respectful team is possible for it yet.
Ayato's E (and other effects) were said to be bugged in the "known issues" section of the update summary today. The undisclosed bug makes these effects last up to twice their duration. IMHO, I'd go with whatever the bug is *plus* @GryphonTooth's comment citing an interplay of hitlag and frame timing, although I would not fully support every detail of their theory. AAAANYWAYS, fix inc on v3.0 GL, TCs!
Ayato's elemental skill's description states that using the elemental skill again while in his kyouka stance will reset the stance and overwrite the previous state. There is something shady here, as there's no obvious way of prolonging his kyouka stance and there's no obvious way of reducing his E's CD. So there might be an hidden mechanic to reliably force the stance to last longer, or they may just have mistranslated the last part of E's description.
His clone explosion counts as skill damage, so in theory we can reset its cooldown with Sacrifical Sword and Gamblers 4-piece set, so double or triple casting his E is achievable. There's also that one abyss card we never take that can reset skill cooldown upon killing an enemy (it likes to appear in chambers with only one enemy).
Seeing 84 attack speed. My brain: I'M THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING. Me observing the Boba broken section. I think he's clipping forward when he slashes then the game snaps him back causing a mini animation cancel. It's inconsistencies might be because of the way hit boxes interact with one another. There's points that Ayato's hitbox might be inside the regisvines hitbox.
Oddly I actually had the boba-roken slash occur in his demo. I'm not sure how many slashes occurred, but it was quiet evident he was extending well beyond his normal burst duration. I actually fumbled through his kit to see if I could identify why it would be longer (vs shorter) and came to the conclusion he's bugged
So hoyoverse already posted about the Bobaroken Slash... They understand what the bug is, but.... They won't fix it until 3.0 since it requires system changes to fix it (and other negative effects that can last longer than intended by the same cause!). So enjoy broken Ayato until then I guess :D
oh lord...im just thinking of the poor guy not wanting to play the character anymore after this video...it must be exhausting to see those slashes that many times in such short period of time 🙈
Honestly all this attack speed increases really makes me wish there was an artifact, or sub/main stat on artifact that could increase attack speed. Of course adding more stat variations decreases the chance of people getting the stat they want, but it also decreases the chances of getting the stats you don't want as well.
It probably has to do with what frames the game accepts inputs at. I think a good example is the Contra games, where hammering as fast as you can gets less bullets out than mashing in a particular pattern. Song of Pines may also have a unique application of its attack speed since the 29 slices only worked with it.
I'm already getting April Fools videos in my recommended, but I can always count on IWinToLose to put out informative, entertaining, and engaging videos even on April Fools!
Vids have a lot of misinfo sometimes but yes they are entertaining/engaging
plot twist: this is an april fool video, all the information inside are incorrect
@@zackyman3639 How so? Can you please kindly enumerate?
@@zackyman3639 what is the mis info or are you just going to say somthing and not clarify
@@mr.lemonlime8935 Could be something to do with his "controversy" with Keqing Mains (leading Genshin theory crafters).
I don't know much about it, so TakE thIs wItH a GraiN oF SAlt, but apparently he was "kicked out" (whatever that means). One of the other more popular theory crafters, Zyox, confirmed this on a stream when someone sent a message like "Heard IWTL got kicked out of Keqing Mains *insert slew of Twitch language here*". Zyox cited something about IWTL's Noelle v Xiao v Itto video, where Noelle pulled ahead of Xiao in terms of DPS - obviously IWTL didn't fake anything, but it was supposedly "misleading." Zyox refused to elaborate
Or perhaps odd testing methods, I wouldn't know. I'm no theory crafter, nor do I have an in with Keqing Mains, so I'd love for the other person to elaborate - unless they're talking out of their ass like I am LMAO
I'm no expert, but I'm willing to bet the "boba-roken slash" has something to do with interplay between hitlag and how many frames the game is being rendered at. Hitting attacks at the right frame intervals is likely pausing the in-game timer for Ayato's skill more often than causing hitlag in a different rhythm with higher/lower attack speed; sort of like a resonant frequency. It would be interesting to perform tests on this phenomenon alongside a FPS counter and at different numbers of enemies hit (because I believe that impacts hitlag?), but I don't have the weapons/constellations required.
This is my guess, It's a known and utilised feature that allows you to sneak in extra charge attacks during hu tao's e.
yeah i'm surprised he didn't come to the conclusion already since it's a relatively known thing for hu tao and setting your FPS cap to 30.
this and also how he sometimes moves away or pushes into the plant friend while not waiting for it to fall all the way having some clipping issues, but ayato is the first character that isn't animation locked to the current attack speed cap for all other characters.
it's a shame we just had the 2 party event and that it also didn't have the 150% atk speed buff skills like the first one to really go HAM with him... also i think he completely forgot about beidou giving more atk speed than chongyun for a total of 39% with R5 pine vs 32%
does that mean dropping the frame rate can achieve the same effect without song of broken pines?
@@richardjones8846 Isn't beidou passive attack speed only for her?
@@richardjones8846 maybe to do with being right up against it so the the enemy is hit directly with the sword rather than a seperate aoe for the water slash? Seems unlikely there'd be two hitboxes like that, but it'd make sense of the water hit box isn't considered "ranged" and therefore doesn't activate hit stun
I think Ayato's E slashes are meant to have little to no hitlag, and iirc most skills that give you infusion (Raiden's, Hu Tao's, Noelle's) are suppossed to increase the duration if you experience hitlag. Somehow I guess gaining that specific attack speed % makes it so his slashes have hitlag (?) and thus his E last longer.
Even then, I think 3 whole seconds is a lot, most cases I think it's barely one more second.
EDIT: Alright, so today it was made official by Hoyoverse that the abnormal extension (Aside from natural hitlag extension) is a bug and it will be fixed in 3.0, enjoy your boba-roken slashes while you can!
Actually, it's perfectly normal for hitlag extension to extend the duration that long.
A perfectly dash canceled hutao c1 can stay in her e for up to 14 seconds.
what does iirc mean again?
@@hriata168 "if I remember correctly"
@@blankness8 ty
@@hriata168 np!
*You can also hold the attack button to do slashes instead of smashing the mouse to do slashes.* :))
he did mention it
@@dezcrux But why isnt he using that instead of spam clicking his mouse?
@@ChaosRune probably beacuse if you hold the button you have more lag input base on your connection , mouse , frame rate etc ... While spamming does still deal with them but the game register them faster
@@ChaosRune as he said, he is animation cancelling it to get more slashes
Nope, doesn't make sense. You smash to smash got it?
This guy is seriously doing what I've always wanted to do in this game if only i have the resources lol
So sincerely thank you for making my dreams a reality,it really is satisfying and fun watching you do this character/damage theories 🔥🔥
sad life, trying to minmax in casual game, you people are nothing else but sad and childish
As mentioned by some other comments, max attack speed was found to be around 63%. The channel Engineering Plastics does a bunch of videos on attack speed, with this Razor one showing the 63% attack speed mark: th-cam.com/video/NjgtoPhe-io/w-d-xo.html
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hijack-ing this comment to say that according to the recent ingame update notice, there is a very low chance of Ayato's skill up to doubling the duration of some effects like his own skill duration, corrosion and smoldering flames, among others. since the bug is related to fundamental game logic, it will be fixed in version 3.0 after comprehensive testing.
@@esqpur The channel, the myth, the legend! 😜
@@_mako Good catch, I just saw this as well. Looks like Hoyoverse is an IWTL fan lol
really?
Ayato becomes a water sprinkler the faster he gets lol.
It's simple, he does more slashes when he's MOTIVATED.
The 29 slashes "bug" is something I experienced near a wall and in abyss , he stayed in his E for 3 more seconds or so and actually I think it has nothing to do with attack speed , cuz the only attack speed buff I had is skyward blade's .
And I know I friend who had the same bug , apparently he could activate it when facing Zhongli pillar while hitting enemies .
So I assume it triggers when near obstacles or something?
Just happened to me while testing the N1E tech. I was testing on the pyro resgisvine, no attack speed buff at all, I hit 19 slashes and stayed for 2-3 seconds more for some weird ass reason.
EDIT: Happened again, 18 hits this time.
Yeah, happened to me randomly, but i do have zhongli so maybe you're right.
its happened to me, i once noticed i got like 19 slahes instead of 16
i just finished a comm and was just using his e
are you/your friend able to consistently replicate it? I'm trying to do it but its driving me insane lol
@@lunag.1521 Yeah like he can pull it half of the time , I can pull it as well with low ping and such.
He did it in a domain , don't remember which one , but he stands with Ayato behind a Zhongli pillar.
Ayato really do be the rng king huh. Not only does his burst hit targets randomly, his artifact set also only has certain chances of procing and his slashes are also random.
Rng-King sounds like a nickname someone would have on gacha games
his Burst is like ganyu's and if anything afaik its actually a little bit more accurate than hers so tf you mean lol
@@fluffy_magnus weronika??? from school??? this u? its me yae miko and raiden lover
I feel so sad that people like I Win To Lose who actually put on the work to make meaningful content do not get much subs or support, while there are genshin channels that post nothing but BS, yet they get so much views and subs, this world is not fair
World is never fair, and probably never will
not everyone watches videos for information but usualy entertainment
True af
That's probably because not everyone cares about too much technical details on the meta of this game of which this is what this channel is all about.
Entertainment will always win out anyways
Mostly bcz the community became more of grumpy grandparents who nickpick anything in the name of "wanting the game to get better".
Sad, but drama does generate more viewers...
The maximum attack speed is 163% , don't know why , but it is what it is
Okay i cant speak about the other ones. But with my experience with yunjin, her ult can make your attacks "heavier" sometimes. Which creates more instances of hitlag. Most likely the reason why 12% of yunjin out performed Jean 15%
man this video really made me scratch my head! also all the boba jokes and the spedup clips are so funny i love them so much
Reminds me of how in DMC 4 with Vergil he had a broken piece of tech that was super hard to do. The way you'd do it is charging up a Judgment Cut, Teleporting, but release a perfect JC at the instant you teleport. This causes Vergil to fly up very little but cancels the teleport.
It also let's you perform another JC much quicker so you could be constantly throwing out one of the stronger moves multiple times a second. If you've seen speedruns this is what they do when playing Vergil. Again this is pretty hard to do though.
I've kind of been waiting for characters with odd bits of tech like this to come out. Screw op equipment, I wish to slay all with my op combos!
motivated moment
For those who don't know you can hold the attack button instead of pressing it lime a madman
Not on PS4. Probably a PC only thing
@@RuiNDieM1988 I was able to hold x on ps4 in the trial.
@@thomasgareaubaritone627 yeah It works c me on PS4 too
@@RuiNDieM1988 It works on PS too, just press R2 to use the skill and then hold down the circle button.
@@gabor3432 doesn't work for me, maybe a setting?
I immediately subscribed because of your disclaimer which makes it quite reliable of you and Hoyoverse actually addressed this bug
Him slashing so freakin' fast like that is so satisfying... I kind of want him now lol.
I’m pretty sure that u can hold the attack button during the e and it would still do the repeated slashes
you can hold his Atk button to hit. I believe he is the only unit that works like this
itto do the same
@@dezcrux bruh Itto does charge attack that's not same as Ayato.
@@dezcrux itto's are charged attacks, which u can hold, ayato is the only character with holdable normal attacks (as far as im aware)
Thats because ayato E disable charge and plunge attack
does this work even in mobile
Oh, so THIS is why we got that notification a few days ago about them needing to fix a "fundamental logic" bug with Ayato's Elemental Skill lasting twice as long as it should.
Seems like a pretty big one, since the notification also says it won't be fixed until 3.0. Really funny to stumble on a video explaining it today; I was wondering! XD
If you wanna replicate the broken slashes use a macro keyboard and put left click at 10ms. I think it has to do with input delay
0:54 here we see Ayato getting more and more motivated
HoYoLAB posted today that this is a bug, to-be-fixed in 3.0. Ayato can also experience Corruption or other debuffs for an extended period of time as well. Check your Update Summary in-game. Cheers
Nice boba as always, keep up the good boba ^^
Drink Boba every time he says 'Boba'
try not to die with an inflamed stomach
This is complete speculation and I have no way to check or prove, but it might be possible that the game is generating attack faster than the E animation is letting making the timing between each slash at higher attack speed clunky, as an attack was generated in the middle of an animation and entering an internal cooldown before a new attack instance can be generated, therefore making the window between slashes larger, and the 44% ats might be the sweet spot between animation and attacks.
In the announcements, this is being treated as a bug by Hoyoverse and they’re fixing it all the way in 3.0 😣.
3.0 is three updates from now, why would it take them so long?
@@Kekekekenn it says in the announcements that it was a ‘fundamental logic’ problem, so I guess it has to do with some code that is sensitive to tinkering, and they need to be careful with edits otherwise even more bugs will be made?
So, with the potions event, you could get up to over 200% attack speed. However, the boost starts to get smaller at 63% and nearly completely disappears at 163%.
Ayato is literally one of the most fun characters released since kazuha!
' Fun' is very subjective term. For me sayu and Yae are most fun Character
Idk how holding the left mouse button is more fun than other characters x.x
@@Daria-Morgendorffer Bro so you're focusing on your finger not the gameplay when play games? Dang dude just get a piano or type a thesis if you're focusing on your finger that much lol
You even wondering how holding mouse button is more fun than other characters, but not saying not more fun than clicking mouse button. I smell haters sheesshh
@@yeogiwaa7502 that's literally the gameplay though...
@@Daria-Morgendorffer tell me what other characters gameplay then, I'll wait. Probably you'll say "at least I spam left click" or something LMAO
🌸🌹It would be impeccable Husbando, broken through ordinary means, and by impeccable hands!🌹🌸
will never get tired of dilucs feature film dawn and ayatos sped up burst "yasu-osisososo shing shing shing shing"
“BOBA-roken”
Ok fine, have a thumbs up 👍🏻
I hate the puns so much that I love them
Been waiting for you to upload. Wish your videos were quite longer. Love them regardless
Scammer
Kinda nuts to think I am just halfway down the video and see that IWTL resetted that cryo regisvine for 30 times. Means you have to go away and knock it's ball down every damn single time. Respect 🙏
There is a possibility that the 29 hits from 44% atk speed was due to hit-lag extension. Hu Tao infusion can last 12 sec or so using hit lag extension, and that's my reasoning to believe it. The more slashes then could be a result of the longer skill duration. Although I'm not a 100% sure; I may be wrong.
Now I need Yunjin to increase the attack speed of my super op Noelle. That's only Noelle's drawback, she's a slow hitter...
elyse williams in my IWTLG??
now thats a crossover i never expected
I think mihoyo released an anoincement that ayato is experiencing a bug where he extends status effects like his E, corrosion, burning, etc, to double duration. Hey said they will be applying a fix on patch 3.0
It looks like this game does probably calculate attack attack speed enhancements as a geometric increase (i.e. the percent increase in the number of hits is (1/(1-X))*100%, where X is the sum of your attack buffs, expressed as a decimal)
Damn i didn't know i was playing Dragalia Lost this entire time very very nice gameplay showcase
U can also do n1e (16slashes) whilst holding W(walk) and activating E. (imo less demanding than AA activation cuz i have a faulty mouse)
I did this for fun because it looks badass leaving a clone on an enemy and then rapidly slashing them from behind, realizing i've been making 16 slashes after a ton of times i did it.
"boba"roken slash is actually a very good name.
44% AS might lead to similar situation with Hu Tao, where her E duraction may get extended a little, due to the hit lag, aka: "body cutting delay" which overall; slowers attack animation... and seems cuz of that, affecting skill duraction as well.
I think you should do few more tests, preferably in a different environments:
- Few attempts should be done on open space - without attacking anything, which should give a general idea, are hit boxes are the thing.
- And new more tries, but against smaller /Non-Flower Bosses; as their corolla model being on ground, seems to interfere attacks quite often.
How much boba can you put in a video
IWTL Gaming : *Yes*
Mihoyo really did ayato ditry by removing his special attack speed bonus passive from his burst and gave him a generic normal attack damage bonus. And put the attack speed on his constellation
maybe they don't like making easy money, plenty of " catch 22" dynamics in Genshin, i would not be surprised.
After 1 week of obsessing on Ayato’s attack speed build, i found the sweet spot for the attack speed cap on ayato. Its 50%. I have chong yun with SOBP R1, c6 yunjin and c2 jean which gives me 47% aspd. I was able to get 23 slashes always and consistent and i think that is the highest slash count ayato can do. For f2p set up, 18-24% will guarantee them a consistent 20 slash count for ayato.
Please look at his electro charged teams, they're so good
STANDING HERE, I REALIZE, YOU WERE JUST LIKE ME, TRYING TO MAKE HISTORY.
Turns out that the random extended duration you were experiencing is a bug. It's in the update summary. It won't be fixed until 3.0
I use Ayato, Chongyun, Jean, and Yunjin. All of their attack speed buffs for him are awesome 😁
Is only For Standard Attack Not For his e Skill
True Vergil in genshin.
A fellow DmC enjoyer, very nice
Ayato is the kind of person who drinks milk tea in a Japanese tea ceremony
In the game notice, they have mentioned said Ayato skills have a very low chance to extend and this will be fix in 3.0 that’s why this test results is weird
Alternative title: This video will leave you with more questions than techs.
i swear if im hearing boba one more time im about to lose it :)
I think they spoke about the bobaroken slash, I think it is related to the framerate that it bugs Ayato’s skill duration. My recommendation is to not build teams revolving the bobaroken slash, because I think the place where they mentioned it (cant remember if it was an announcement in twitter or one from the ingame bug fixes section) they were planning on fixing it by 3.0 so regardless of what it is it’s not gonna stay with us for very long
Okay so regarding the extended duration of ayato's skill, it has just been announced by hoyoverse that it indeed is a bug and will be patched soon.
IWTL has turned into one of those catgirls in anime that can't stop saying "nya" but with boba.
Hey IWTL, you don’t have to continuously tap to attack with Ayato if you are in his skill. You can just hold down the button as I’m you are doing a perpetual charged attack
Ok, so apparently the Inexplicable increase sometimes is due to a logic error that will be fixed in version 3.0. Hoyoverse addressed it in a post just today
Yeah i noticed too that sometimes his E lasts way longer than it should, and It happens randomly. This has to be a bug.
They about to pull an Yae on him aren’t they? :(
I heard they gave Ayato and Haran to 2.7 beta testers. So I'm a little scared for him. I hope they revert Yae's kit and stop being scared to admit mistakes.
@ezurachan childe was also given in one of the beta test back then. hyv is just probs testing his synergy w the new characters or the hydro resonance. unlike yae who received a lot of backlash in her release, ayato was received positively by the community i doubt they would nerf him since theres a law in china, which says thats illegal.
Ding dong you got it
Love your channel dude. Keep up the good work!
You can hold his skill and it hits instead of spamming your mouse
thanks man for always putting out quality videos, please stay out of drama like other genshin content creator
Damn it, was expecting the pun @0:42 > "There is more than meets the Eye-ato" *padum tsss
6:40 this is a bug with Haran and Ayato skill fundamental formula, it'll be fixed on 3.0, that's why he still on 2.7 beta.
your 29 slashes are probably because you're at melee range and due to the attack's hitlag which prolongs skill durations (like hutao E), you get extra time on ayato E
I think the max attack speed is 160%, someone did a test of 200+% attack speed VS 144% VS 163%, and 144% is slightly slower than the rest but 163 and 200+% is the same, they did it using abyss normal attack buff card and floor buff
Also idk how exactly but extending skill/burst duration is possible, some said because of the hitlag and frame data/fps that you end up having a longer skill duration and hence lower cooldown. Ayato should have 2 second downtime but there are time when your burst last over 20 sec without any CD reduction
Would be nice to know more technical detail side of thing and experiment the Bobabroken against an enemy VS in the air
I love the fact that Klee almost killed the mechanical array 😂
In today's update they noted that the boba-roken slash is indeed a bug but won't be fixed until 3.0......... Which is like at LEAST 2-3 patches away (including the current one); that's kind of a long time, and lol not to be a spoiled brat but can we just have a 9s skill duration then :x
Yo iwtl I do really love ur vids, keep it up!
Thanks this vedio was useful. I was able to understand the legend of the Boba the Boba rocken slash, the most important thing to understand in the vedio
It seems like you accidentally found a way to semi-reliably trigger a known bug:
From genshin's update summary and known issues notices:
"〓Known Issues〓
- Continuous attacks have a very low probability of abnormally and significantly extending the duration of various effects on the character Kamisato Ayato (up to twice the duration), including but not limited to the "Takimeguri Kanka" state from his Elemental Skill, "Corrosion", and "Smoldering Flames" that are applied to the character.
The developers have detected the initial cause of this issue. As the fix involves fundamental logic, this issue will be fixed in Version 3.0 after comprehensive testing."
Maybe this is the reason ayato and his weapon is added to 2.7 beta despite already released in original server
Hopefully not, but hopefully they buff him instead
Abyss floor 5 has a 20% atk speed buff (above certain HP% thresholds) and floor 6 has a 30% atk speed buff (with a stack mechanic), in case anyone wants to go to the absolute maximum atk speed and the absolute minimum usefullness at the same time...
By holding the mouse button I always got 15 slashes when attaking an enemy, but always got 16 slashes when attacking the air. I know very little about hit-lag mechanics but this goes against what I thought I knew.
really excited to see how he will perform with a C6 Mika
I believe there seems to be some weirdness going on with Ayato's E and buffs which Hoyoverse even plans to patch in 3.0 as far as the note ingame states
edit: the notice can be found under 'update summary'
The real question here...After this team bursts and his E, then what??? What bothers me is that the team ( any team so far) is basically dead after all their bursts. I can't find a good way (team) to have acceptable amount of attack speed, damage and energy recharge in the same time. This character is so well made but no respectful team is possible for it yet.
It's entirely a meme. The only way to have a good team with him with reliable attack speed buffs is Ayato C4 and Yujin C6
Possible future characters and artifacts might be better for him
This is the damage my Ayato would also do
IF I HAD ONE
Ayato's E (and other effects) were said to be bugged in the "known issues" section of the update summary today. The undisclosed bug makes these effects last up to twice their duration.
IMHO, I'd go with whatever the bug is *plus* @GryphonTooth's comment citing an interplay of hitlag and frame timing, although I would not fully support every detail of their theory.
AAAANYWAYS, fix inc on v3.0
GL, TCs!
Ayato's elemental skill's description states that using the elemental skill again while in his kyouka stance will reset the stance and overwrite the previous state. There is something shady here, as there's no obvious way of prolonging his kyouka stance and there's no obvious way of reducing his E's CD. So there might be an hidden mechanic to reliably force the stance to last longer, or they may just have mistranslated the last part of E's description.
His clone explosion counts as skill damage, so in theory we can reset its cooldown with Sacrifical Sword and Gamblers 4-piece set, so double or triple casting his E is achievable. There's also that one abyss card we never take that can reset skill cooldown upon killing an enemy (it likes to appear in chambers with only one enemy).
@@talkingcowthatwasthereallalong Right, that explains it. Thanks a lot!
Turns out that extra duration of his E is a glitch. The game update summary states it would be fixed at version 3.0????
3.0?? what
isn’t 2.7 next
@@coraW I'm not sure. It says 3.0 in the in-game update summary under known issues.
@@coraW 2.7 is the beta where they're testing Ayato again. 3.0 is when the issue will be fixed ( according to game notice)
I came here for serious mechanic talk but you're making me crave boba now
I haven't watched the video but im gona take a shot everytime he says boba hopefully not that many times
Seeing 84 attack speed. My brain: I'M THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING. Me observing the Boba broken section. I think he's clipping forward when he slashes then the game snaps him back causing a mini animation cancel. It's inconsistencies might be because of the way hit boxes interact with one another. There's points that Ayato's hitbox might be inside the regisvines hitbox.
if anyone doesn't know, you can just click and hold the atk button during his e and you'll atk constantly without using stamina
Oddly I actually had the boba-roken slash occur in his demo. I'm not sure how many slashes occurred, but it was quiet evident he was extending well beyond his normal burst duration. I actually fumbled through his kit to see if I could identify why it would be longer (vs shorter) and came to the conclusion he's bugged
You can hold the button so its not human execution, that said it "could" be calculated using math.
Replicating the Bobaroken slash requires an R5 song of broken pines. And you know how many of us have those...
Looks like youre really into the boba word play with him
I've also noticed that my ayato sometimes stays in e longer than the cooldown
So hoyoverse already posted about the Bobaroken Slash... They understand what the bug is, but.... They won't fix it until 3.0 since it requires system changes to fix it (and other negative effects that can last longer than intended by the same cause!). So enjoy broken Ayato until then I guess :D
oh lord...im just thinking of the poor guy not wanting to play the character anymore after this video...it must be exhausting to see those slashes that many times in such short period of time 🙈
I thought I'm the only one experiencing that boba broken slash
how to avoid getting hated
"i'm a human"
Honestly all this attack speed increases really makes me wish there was an artifact, or sub/main stat on artifact that could increase attack speed. Of course adding more stat variations decreases the chance of people getting the stat they want, but it also decreases the chances of getting the stats you don't want as well.
It probably has to do with what frames the game accepts inputs at. I think a good example is the Contra games, where hammering as fast as you can gets less bullets out than mashing in a particular pattern.
Song of Pines may also have a unique application of its attack speed since the 29 slices only worked with it.
From booba sword to boba sword. These enemies getting slap harder than Chris rock at the Oscar’s 😂