@@nicolasabbe4668 I said children retard and only when necessary not because they are confused about their gender, is education really gotten this bad now, that kids don't even know what sex they are. We are failing our children.
@@nicolasabbe4668 I said children, adults can do what they want and no one is being denied care, if the child genuinely need these drugs and isn't just doing it cause they are confused about their gender then that's fine. Although i don't understand why anyone who isn't intersex would be confused about their gender, it's not rocket science, obviously education system is failing children because understanding your sex is easier than 123 and abc's. God help us all.
Agree, literally stick your hand up and you're magically non binary. It's literally just an entitled version of the emos and goths of the 1980s and 90s.
I think you're conflating puberty blockers with transition. Knee surgery was used as simple example, but pretty much any surgery, and many other medical treatments have a inherent regret rate.
@@nakedenby Puberty blockers are causing irreversible damage to children Comparing it to having knee surgery is apples and oranges but we expect everything to be twisted now and truth to be hate
How extraordinarily rude of Ms Feltz talking only to One interviewee and ignoring the other one completely. And how very unprofessional. Incompetence on a grand level. My sympathies to the other person sitting there, looked like she was a bit upset at how this conversation went?
This guest is dangerous. There’s a huge difference between treating precocious puberty (such treatment is temporary, medically necessary, and withdrawn in time to allow natural puberty to take place), and giving blockers to kids with mental health issues or who just don't want to go through natural, ordinary puberty. Studies have shown that the vast majority of kids whose natural puberty is blocked will go on to further medicalisation, ie hormones and surgery. This is what the Cass review is warning about.
Well the guest isn't dangerous, but also, the kids who are being put on puberty blockers should be those that go on to further medical treatment- it would be concerning if they weren't? 😂 Trans people can't actually win with you people
Its no wonder as blocking puberty means blocking crucial brain development as well. Years pass but they are no more capable of making a more mature choice as their physiological and cognitive development has been stunted.
I agree completely. Precocious puberty can have profound physical and psychological effects that can have lifelong consequences. Conflating that with the use of puberty blockers in people with gender distress in adolescence is a disgrace. This woman is a dangerous ideologue desperately trying to sound reasonable when she has zero medical knowledge. Quite frankly, the fact she gets airtime without any authority frightens me.
The non-binary looks smug in her bottom half of the face, but her eyes look dead.... zoom in on her eyes.... nothing there. No real emotions at all. Really weird
Telling any child they are in the wrong body is very obviously wrong! Most people know this without the need for any reports. Social media and some idiot adults have let down this generation. Thankfully this is starting to turn. You can have masculine girls and feminine boys, they are all fine. We just need to tell them they are!
Telling a child from the outside in how to feel about their body is wrong, but what if the child brings it up themselves? (without any input from parents or anyone else) Being a masc girl or femme guy doesn't negate the existence of trans people, its two different things that can exist separately.
@@swag12344 they're allowed to feel how they like but those thoughts and feelings oftentimes change as they develop and become more emotionally mature. No affirmation treatment or intervention should be considered before this.
@@underdogpsychosis2841 of course they can change but ignoring these feelings in all kids and simply expecting them to move past it in all cases is wrong. I don't think affirming care should be introduced to young kids but its perfectly safe for teenagers and has been proven to help them in the long run. The earlier on (within reason) they are allowed access to trans healthcare the easier it is for them to integrate into society as the person they want to be. Otherwise you end up with the people who are frequently scapegoated for resembling their birth sex despite identifying as the opposite. For many people these feelings don't go away and I don't think said people should be denied the help they want just because some other people assume being trans is just a phase that passes.
Leave the kids alone. Enough is enough. You messed up with their heads. Enough that your head is messed up. Puberty it’s a normal thing and you trying to stop it or make it disappear. It’s insane.
My daughter is 49 She's never been what y call a feminine person but she knows she's a woman. If she was a child today they might say she's in the wrong sex. It's all bollocks
That's not true 💀 I'm a young person, and I know masculine women who are chill as they are. No one tells them to become a man. It's not a thing. You make that choice.
Tom boy here too. Glad I didn’t grow up in this time. Love the way they say they wouldn’t give medication/drugs wouldn’t be given unless properly tested on adults let alone children. Well they did in a certain pandemic.
Kids are not kids anymore and it shows, glued to phones and tablets,no conversation skills ,unable to communicate, and now this, give someone a label and it scars them for life, leave off
Sounds like they gave out a questionnaire after an Op with yes/no answers. The pure copium running through the veins would undoubtedly skew that into "no regrets".
I don't think people understand that these types of treatments towards kids are extremely concerning, as some of them are actually chemical castration, so if they ever detransiton both genders will no longer be able to have kids when they are older, this sick attack on the children needs to be stopped straight away before it's to late, an the damage is irreversible
The difference with children with precocious puberty is that they will stop taking puberty blockers and go through puberty at the right time, so a' pause button' -many of these children experience bad side effects . We know that from Tavistocks own data that 99% of young people prescribed puberty blockers as gender affirming care go straight on to cross sex hormones, so not a pause button at all and don't experience puberty.
But of course, "no side effects/pause button" in this element translates to "we really don't know the long term side effects, but in our eyes it is better for kids with gender dysphoria to transition regardless of side effects because that's what we wanted as kids" + the financial element for the medical industry from a lifetime of hormone prescriptions and other care. It was always transparent, dishonest and selfish people are simply just dishonest and selfish - I hope those involved are held heavily to account in the near future.
I'm not understanding why them going on to cross sex hormones (also 'at the right time') makes the puberty blockers not also a pause button? Am I mssing something? If they progress to longer term hormone therapy then it's surely a jolly good job they didn't experience puberty. Isn't that the whole point? That 99% (your stat) made the next step is testament to the hold on puberty being necessary. A pause doesn't mandate a resumption and during the pause it remains a holding measure unless and until the hold is withdrawn OR an alternate pathway is begun.
Knee surgery as an comparison was horrible. People may NEED knee surgery to function in everyday life as far as getting around, driving, etc... chopping off healthy body parts because of a feeling is just insane
What is the point on the poor other lady who only got to speak once at the start, just left sitting there like a lemon, what kind of debate is this? Also parents need to know what their kids are doing at all times, i cannnot believe it when she said we all wore different clothes under our hoodies for what we felt comfortable in as if the whole class were into this ideology, clearly trans is trending amongst kids in schools and many are just doing it becuase of peer pressure because it's cool to be trans or whatever. Ridiculous that many of these kids don't have genuine gender dysphoria, i find that shocking. Parents you need to know at all times what your kids are doing and who they are hanging out with, if you don't you are a poor excuse for a parent.
tbf what about abusive parents? Many kids who do turn out to be trans often times seek shelter with other adults or even just friends who are sympathetic to their situation if their own parents refuse to offer them any help/reassurance etc. Same applies to kids who turn out to be gay and whatnot. Its really not "cool" to be trans and I'm not really sure where you got the idea large groups of kids suddenly do this when a huge portion of them who identify that way get harassed and bullied daily. I won't deny that some people might lie about it because they think it'll help them fit in with certain groups or whatever but its silly to use that as an excuse to punch down on the whole group.
Agree. ❤ ... I have the impression that the trance want to have more trance people to make their group bigger that's why they prefer to be nerrow-minded in their views.
@@swag12344 Let's be honest trans aren't the only kids being abused, normal kids go through abuse and bullying too, so that's a pretty poor example and even if this were the case there are social workers and the like for situations you mentioned. Trans kids to me come across as entitled brats with no idea what they are really talking about, they don't understand the repurcussions of the drugs they are taking or want to take, they don't understand the dangers they are putting themselves in and they don't really understand the concept in general. They are young and naive, they join trans forums online that are moderated by trans folk themselves and they are all encouraging each other on these forums, anyone with an outside view get's banned so no awareness can be spread to these kids because apparently caring about kids is bigoted, the forums aren't regulated so god knows what they talk about and tell each other, all of this out of sight from their parents etc. It's a cult like mentality, most transistioners are gonna come out when adults and regret that they ever did what they did because it was trendy and peer pressured into it.
@@billionaeris1183 it really isn't a poor example though, "normal kids" aren't bullied for simply existing the way they want. Trans people in general are, regardless of age. The rest of your comment is just ignorant rhetoric. If a child is transitioning because of social peer pressure over what they actually want then that is wrong I and (hopefully) any actual trans person would agree with you there. The problem with throwing that argument around is that it doesn't apply to the vast majority of trans people (or at the very least there are no statistics that prove that to be the case). Not sure why you're surprised at the existence of forums where trans people (a marginalized group who on a wide scale experience abuse both verbal and physical at a constant rate) support one another. You don't care about kids, all you're doing is dunking on trans people and then framing it as: "b-b-but the kids broo" to make yourself look good.
Does "being well-versed in how to talk about these issues" include censoring, firing, reputation destruction and physical attacks upon women who dare to say no?
There are more "people" that regret knee surgery, but not more people per surgery. It would be like saying 5 people cut their own hands off and regretted it but 60 million people had their hair cut last year and millions regretted it. It is a false equivalence.
GIDS did not follow up people who were medically transitioned so there'sno evidence on regret or detransitioning. Indeed tgecreseatchers on the Cass review were denied access to the data by GIDS which would have allowed the researchers access to the before and after data.
That''s not actually true. There are plenty of studies other than GIDS quantifying the regret rate just as it's presented in the item. But I respect you're at least not claiming the regret is high, because of course there would be no evidence of that either if they're not being followed up.
@@jennybaboolal4777 The evidence isn't limited to GIDs tho is it? Yes, there's a few TH-cam grifters calling themselves 'detransitioners' but the actual number based on actual evidence remains less than 1%. Prove me wrong.
@@Peter-xn7wg Truth isn't conditional on the decisions of a single agency. it's either true or it isn't and the abundant available evidence clearly shows it isn't.
Seriously i was 15-20 years of age in 85-90, and it was hand on heart the best years of my life, WTF are the people always going on about i do not know! Yes i guess i got to enjoy the best decade ( the 80s ) ever in my opinion, but it was amazing, was allowed to go out from 15 onwards, had some amazing relationships, and i really special one, fantastic nights out, holidays! My wonderful parents always were easy going gave me all the freedom i wanted, and Dad picked us up from nightclubs, and in return i never brought them any trouble, life was fantastic!! I will never understand all the crap they are going on about now!!
It's a fad that will go the way of repressed memories, multiple personalities, cutting and anorexia. Unfortunately the damage will be done for thousands of this generation who wont have kids and will suffer in pain and regret for the rest of their lives. The people who create it and promote should be held accountable for their crimes of child abuse.
Ffs brain washing… just exactly how many children are asking for this? what is the percentage of children in this country, or is it the parents who wished they had a girl or boy 🤔
One of the problems is that all of these conditions are based on a questionnaire that you know the answers to.Equating precocious puberty is a nonsense. It is baseless and it is not without evidence.
Talk TV has the presentation and research standard of a sixth form school production. Considering how many people know about this subject on an incredible detailed and nuanced level, they get two people to discuss the issue who clearly do not come even close to that category.
Kids with precocious puberty come off blockers after a very short period. Anyone wanting to suppress testosterone or oestrogen will have to continue taking them for as long as they have testes or ovaries.
What a one sided debate. Puberty blockers should be stopped. Young girls transition because they like girls are not boys they are gay. Schools have an obligation to tell parents. As a young person you don’t get independence till you are an adult. This person is recruiting trans it seems..
These people are dangerous Kids need rules and boundaries not secrets and medical interventions or breast binders that can break ribs and cause lung problems
Sex isn't 'observed' at birth. A health professional takes a glance at the external genitalia and records the closest matching category available to them. That's only a guide to probable sex and is no indication of gender whatsoever.
Oh by the way,I dont want my tax money spent on this.Its not an illness compared with chronic illnesses which are not being addressed because of overstretch.
Which chronic illnesses? I agree taxpayers shouldn't be funding this stuff, but how many chronic illnesses are self inflicted? Too many take advantage of the NHS, it was meant to fix you up if you got sick, not because you led a lifestyle that made you ill
Health care already has a system to ration resources, which altho not perfect seems to work. Panels of medical and ethics experts decide how to apportion budgets. It isn't for us unqualified, untrained and inexperienced minions to gatekeep who receives health care.
@@chappy2121 Good point about arguably self-inflicted chronic illnesses and this is in fact taken into account by ethics experts on the panels who decide health budgets. I think you'll find most gender affirming care is privately funded anyway. Everyone has gender but it isn't a 'lifestyle' or a choice.
If it was illegal for people to undergo transgender or gender re-assignment therapy until they're 18 and/or have reached puberty, it would simplify this problem we have in our society. Modifying your hormones during or before puberty sounds like a very bad idea to me.
A knee surgery isn't done unless there is something medicaly wrong with it to begin with. And when that goes wrong and patienxe don't have the result they hoped for in regards of better function or less pain perhaps, of coars they regret having it. That only tells one thing, that there are a lot of surgeons and doctors out there who don't do the best work on peoples knees. It don't tell anything about those pations except they are dissatisfyed with the medical treatment they got on their knees. Kids don't have the maturity to give onformed concent on having a tattoo done and sertianly not on having their helthy body permanently castrated and mutilated to mabey...mabey.. eease a mental problem that havent even been proparly diagnosed or adressed. The problem isn't the speed or lack of speed in helth care for theese kids, it's the quality of care they are given wich has been horenduce and lacking.
This Shivani person has all the dusintgenuous talking points (and frankly bullshit) I would expect from a transACTIVIST. She seldim answers a question directly and minimizes the very teal harm thar results when schools keep secrets with students from the parents. That alone, one of the less egregious grooming techniques characteristic of this movement, speaks volumes.
This interview is awful. Feltz is giving little or no push back. The comparison with the knee surgery is stupid. People have knee operations because there’s something wrong with their knee. There’s nothing wrong with these young people who want surgery.
Children managed very well in the past. Now, it seems that they can't even cope with their own hair. I wonder who is telling them that they need medication???????
A 7 or eight year old going through puberty as this activist brought up as being equivalent to trans is not the case at all. First its very rare, and disturbingly its what happens a young child when they have been abused in the most grevious manner. It's a complete separate category of treatment than the treatment demanded by trans activist. The 2 issues have nothing in common and the clinical approach in both cases has entirely different considerations. Same with someone needing knee or hip sugery, its to help mobility not impede it.
There's no evidence that abuse is other than a very rare cause of early puberty. The pharmacological impact of puberty blockers is the same despite the purposes being different. So the two scenarios are a valid comparison. Knee surgery is a good example of rate of regret which can be compared with any medical procedure including transition.
@@nakedenby I worked in mental health, so I know the evidence. Nobody gets knee surgery on a healthy functioning knee, obviously that would be insane. Most knee surgeries improves the mobility of the patient. If the surgeries are not successful the patient's situation stays the same. You know fine well your not comparing like with like. But you know what, I am so happy that the Cass report was carried out, and like every normal person i am horrified by the findings, but i am not surprised.
Shivani uses redundant circular fallacious logic One thing does not follow from the previous There are no first principles/she is in violation of the rule or order of the logic of first principles Shivani's cognition appears to have been impaired by that lump on the front R of her head, obviously impacting her frontal lobes & faculties of higher reasoning Besides the narcissism, grandiosity, virtue signalling, self importance, cringe etc
Thank God for waiting lists and the children saved due to them. And how that young woman can compare this Frankenstein practice to knee surgery I will never know.
My mother 74 years old just had third knee replacement as errors made in previous ops. She after a week has barely any pain and is walking for the first time in a year. If they perfected the operation people would not be complaining. It is hard work to recover, lots of exercise and pushing oneself, a lot of older people just don't have it in them.
There was no debate. Questions were asked and only one side got to say their piece. There was no one challenging what was said by the nonbinary person.
@@sannya6390 Well it was because she was making out that somehow trans people get fast tracked onto hormone blockers when in reality they're on waiting lists for years.
@@Space_Ghost91 first of all, you can only take puberty blockers if you haven’t experience puberty yet or at the very start. No one taking puberty blockers are full fledged adults. So obviously kids are and have been taken puberty blockers, whether they were in a waiting list or not. Secondly, Vanessa Feltz was obviously talking about those young people who are taking drugs not the ones who are still waiting and would more likely end up only getting them as adults. Obviously, everyone isn’t on a waiting list, at least not until adulthood. If that was the case then there will be no need to have a discussion about kids taking hormones or puberty blockers.
@@sannya6390 You know how many children in the UK are currently on puberty blockers? 100. Not the cultural epidemic you think it is when faced with the numbers. Also Feltz's baseless anecdote about doctors being too afraid to say no to patients in case some "trans lobby" comes and gets them is a complete fabrication. If you've ever spoken to a trans person about their experiences with doctors you'd know that's far from the truth. All Feltz is doing is fear mongering, spreading misinformation and trying to get people frothing at the mouth over something that in reality affects a small percentage of the population.
I hate TH-cam web new layout why are the comments on the side and now all videos suggestions under the video itself, it's awful, change it back or give us a choice!!
During proud month I went to my bank Name B. two times. There were two big colorful flags. Despite being a hetero for 40 years I started questioning my sex. I encourage everyone to also question themselves. ... The power of advertising on adults works brilliantly. Even better on small brains that are two times more prone brains to suggestions.
they "PAUSE" their puberty do they..."PAUSE" it. Then what 10 years later you just press play and your body is meant to carry on and form like normal while been on a so called pause. We are talking about children aswell dont forget.
Most knee ops are on a much older group. And they’re not slow to complain. Not sure why you’d compare this to surgery for a much younger group, who don’t want to admit they made a mistake.
Knee Surgery remains much more common (for now) and I’ve a sneaking suspicion that they may have just been comparing totals rather than the proportion 😂
I didn't mind the guest who was non-binary, they didn't melt down and spoke clearly. I felt a little bad for the woman beside her, who seemed a bit ignored. Anyway, my comment is on the number of girls now wanting to "transition". I wonder what percentage want to NOT look like a budding young woman after sexual abuse from men. I absolutely hated as my shape changed and I hated men when I was around the age of 11 or 12 because they'd always be all over me (and I was not very attractive, but I was vulnerable). JMO.
No doubt there are a few % of the cases you describe but I think the explanation is far simpler - that the girls are just catching up with the boys, having been suppressed for all sorts of social reasons. After all, the numbers of transgender men v transgender women are exactly equal across Europe and North America. A decade ago people were mistakenly criticising the number of trans women seeking treatment, just because they had a higher profile in the toxic 'debate'. Some people just can't be pleased, especially when they're seeking an excuse to justify their hatred.
The only people I see benefiting from the trans debate are the pharmaceutical industry.
And politicians who makes laws that allow this and protect their wicked ways
And media
And media
And the therapists and the undertakers
The pharmaceutical industry benefits either way. Probably more if they don't agree with Gender Affirming Care.
Puberty blockers on children should be illegal.
Agree with one exception: the treatment of precocious puberty.
Cis people also take them for various reasons. Want to deny them care too?
@@nicolasabbe4668 I said children retard and only when necessary not because they are confused about their gender, is education really gotten this bad now, that kids don't even know what sex they are. We are failing our children.
@@nicolasabbe4668 I said children, adults can do what they want and no one is being denied care, if the child genuinely need these drugs and isn't just doing it cause they are confused about their gender then that's fine. Although i don't understand why anyone who isn't intersex would be confused about their gender, it's not rocket science, obviously education system is failing children because understanding your sex is easier than 123 and abc's. God help us all.
@@nicolasabbe4668I think things have changed this week regarding this report. Britain has finally woken up, we are not Cis anything.
I’m a holistic therapist, there is NOTHING holistic about shivanis statement .
Children questioning their identity need therapy,not pills
They most often need a better environment which didn't make them believe their personality or fashion sense is how their sex is defined.
Non binary no such thing. People believe in all sorts of nonsense these days. It's kinda funny but sad
Most of these people aren't even androgynous, lol.
Do you accept that adults can transition to the opposite gender?
@@nakedenby do you mean opposite sex ?
Agree, literally stick your hand up and you're magically non binary. It's literally just an entitled version of the emos and goths of the 1980s and 90s.
@@nakedenbyno, anyone who wants to change their genital, do it, but natural gender never changes.
There is not such a thing as "non-binary"
Puberty is NOT an illness it is an essential part of childhood for a child to become an adult. Naff all like Knee surgery
I think you're conflating puberty blockers with transition. Knee surgery was used as simple example, but pretty much any surgery, and many other medical treatments have a inherent regret rate.
@@nakedenby Puberty blockers are causing irreversible damage to children Comparing it to having knee surgery is apples and oranges but we expect everything to be twisted now and truth to be hate
@@nakedenby how many of those other "regretable surgeries" result in infertility and loss of natural sexual function?
@@Gingerblaze Why is that any of your concern what someone else's fertility or sexual function is? Are you a transphobe?
How extraordinarily rude of Ms Feltz talking only to One interviewee and ignoring the other one completely. And how very unprofessional. Incompetence on a grand level. My sympathies to the other person sitting there, looked like she was a bit upset at how this conversation went?
I completely agree.
So do I. There are two sides not just her interpretation of it but the truth.
The other person there is a talk tv employee, she isn't there to be questioned lol
This guest is dangerous. There’s a huge difference between treating precocious puberty (such treatment is temporary, medically necessary, and withdrawn in time to allow natural puberty to take place), and giving blockers to kids with mental health issues or who just don't want to go through natural, ordinary puberty. Studies have shown that the vast majority of kids whose natural puberty is blocked will go on to further medicalisation, ie hormones and surgery. This is what the Cass review is warning about.
Well the guest isn't dangerous, but also, the kids who are being put on puberty blockers should be those that go on to further medical treatment- it would be concerning if they weren't? 😂 Trans people can't actually win with you people
Its no wonder as blocking puberty means blocking crucial brain development as well. Years pass but they are no more capable of making a more mature choice as their physiological and cognitive development has been stunted.
I agree completely. Precocious puberty can have profound physical and psychological effects that can have lifelong consequences. Conflating that with the use of puberty blockers in people with gender distress in adolescence is a disgrace. This woman is a dangerous ideologue desperately trying to sound reasonable when she has zero medical knowledge. Quite frankly, the fact she gets airtime without any authority frightens me.
Sorry to correct you, but id say STUPID.... anyone who believes you can change and medicalise gender changes is plain and simple STUPID
The non-binary looks smug in her bottom half of the face, but her eyes look dead.... zoom in on her eyes.... nothing there. No real emotions at all. Really weird
Telling any child they are in the wrong body is very obviously wrong! Most people know this without the need for any reports. Social media and some idiot adults have let down this generation. Thankfully this is starting to turn. You can have masculine girls and feminine boys, they are all fine. We just need to tell them they are!
Telling a child from the outside in how to feel about their body is wrong, but what if the child brings it up themselves? (without any input from parents or anyone else) Being a masc girl or femme guy doesn't negate the existence of trans people, its two different things that can exist separately.
Without any outside input????
You mean, after being kept in a locked basement or something? @@swag12344
@@swag12344 they're allowed to feel how they like but those thoughts and feelings oftentimes change as they develop and become more emotionally mature. No affirmation treatment or intervention should be considered before this.
8 out of 10 trans people want to reverse the op. Just shows how peer pressure from the lgbtq community is pressuring people way too much.
@@underdogpsychosis2841 of course they can change but ignoring these feelings in all kids and simply expecting them to move past it in all cases is wrong. I don't think affirming care should be introduced to young kids but its perfectly safe for teenagers and has been proven to help them in the long run. The earlier on (within reason) they are allowed access to trans healthcare the easier it is for them to integrate into society as the person they want to be. Otherwise you end up with the people who are frequently scapegoated for resembling their birth sex despite identifying as the opposite. For many people these feelings don't go away and I don't think said people should be denied the help they want just because some other people assume being trans is just a phase that passes.
Leave the kids alone. Enough is enough. You messed up with their heads. Enough that your head is messed up. Puberty it’s a normal thing and you trying to stop it or make it disappear. It’s insane.
My daughter is 49
She's never been what y call a feminine person but she knows she's a woman. If she was a child today they might say she's in the wrong sex. It's all bollocks
So a tom boy then.
That's not true 💀 I'm a young person, and I know masculine women who are chill as they are. No one tells them to become a man. It's not a thing. You make that choice.
Tom boy here too. Glad I didn’t grow up in this time. Love the way they say they wouldn’t give medication/drugs wouldn’t be given unless properly tested on adults let alone children. Well they did in a certain pandemic.
Anyone advocating so-called puberty blocking drugs to children ought to be charged with grievous bodily harm. OF A MINOR!
The scariest thing for me was her saying that the school was right to hide it from the parents because the child wasn’t ready to tell them.
Why have a second guest, she was almost completely ignored
If it was me I would have stood up and walked off.
@@rogerbichanicz9420 this interviewer was very unprofessional
She really ought to have jumped in. I'm not sure of her purpose for being there!
No such thing as Non Binary🤷🏾♂️
Kids are not kids anymore and it shows, glued to phones and tablets,no conversation skills ,unable to communicate, and now this, give someone a label and it scars them for life, leave off
"More people have regretted knee surgery than puberty blockers"
Sorry but what a load of 💩
All the studies done on trans regret excluded detrans people. That's why that statistic is so skewed.
Sounds like they gave out a questionnaire after an Op with yes/no answers.
The pure copium running through the veins would undoubtedly skew that into "no regrets".
I don't think people understand that these types of treatments towards kids are extremely concerning, as some of them are actually chemical castration, so if they ever detransiton both genders will no longer be able to have kids when they are older, this sick attack on the children needs to be stopped straight away before it's to late, an the damage is irreversible
This is outrageous leave kids alone them people are dangerous
The difference with children with precocious puberty is that they will stop taking puberty blockers and go through puberty at the right time, so a' pause button' -many of these children experience bad side effects . We know that from Tavistocks own data that 99% of young people prescribed puberty blockers as gender affirming care go straight on to cross sex hormones, so not a pause button at all and don't experience puberty.
But of course, "no side effects/pause button" in this element translates to "we really don't know the long term side effects, but in our eyes it is better for kids with gender dysphoria to transition regardless of side effects because that's what we wanted as kids" + the financial element for the medical industry from a lifetime of hormone prescriptions and other care. It was always transparent, dishonest and selfish people are simply just dishonest and selfish - I hope those involved are held heavily to account in the near future.
I'm not understanding why them going on to cross sex hormones (also 'at the right time') makes the puberty blockers not also a pause button? Am I mssing something? If they progress to longer term hormone therapy then it's surely a jolly good job they didn't experience puberty. Isn't that the whole point? That 99% (your stat) made the next step is testament to the hold on puberty being necessary. A pause doesn't mandate a resumption and during the pause it remains a holding measure unless and until the hold is withdrawn OR an alternate pathway is begun.
You know hrt makes people go trough puberty right?
Knee surgery as an comparison was horrible. People may NEED knee surgery to function in everyday life as far as getting around, driving, etc... chopping off healthy body parts because of a feeling is just insane
What is the point on the poor other lady who only got to speak once at the start, just left sitting there like a lemon, what kind of debate is this? Also parents need to know what their kids are doing at all times, i cannnot believe it when she said we all wore different clothes under our hoodies for what we felt comfortable in as if the whole class were into this ideology, clearly trans is trending amongst kids in schools and many are just doing it becuase of peer pressure because it's cool to be trans or whatever. Ridiculous that many of these kids don't have genuine gender dysphoria, i find that shocking. Parents you need to know at all times what your kids are doing and who they are hanging out with, if you don't you are a poor excuse for a parent.
tbf what about abusive parents? Many kids who do turn out to be trans often times seek shelter with other adults or even just friends who are sympathetic to their situation if their own parents refuse to offer them any help/reassurance etc. Same applies to kids who turn out to be gay and whatnot. Its really not "cool" to be trans and I'm not really sure where you got the idea large groups of kids suddenly do this when a huge portion of them who identify that way get harassed and bullied daily. I won't deny that some people might lie about it because they think it'll help them fit in with certain groups or whatever but its silly to use that as an excuse to punch down on the whole group.
Agree. ❤
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I have the impression that the trance want to have more trance people to make their group bigger that's why they prefer to be nerrow-minded in their views.
@@ConstructiveMinds100 oh the irony
@@swag12344 Let's be honest trans aren't the only kids being abused, normal kids go through abuse and bullying too, so that's a pretty poor example and even if this were the case there are social workers and the like for situations you mentioned.
Trans kids to me come across as entitled brats with no idea what they are really talking about, they don't understand the repurcussions of the drugs they are taking or want to take, they don't understand the dangers they are putting themselves in and they don't really understand the concept in general. They are young and naive, they join trans forums online that are moderated by trans folk themselves and they are all encouraging each other on these forums, anyone with an outside view get's banned so no awareness can be spread to these kids because apparently caring about kids is bigoted, the forums aren't regulated so god knows what they talk about and tell each other, all of this out of sight from their parents etc. It's a cult like mentality, most transistioners are gonna come out when adults and regret that they ever did what they did because it was trendy and peer pressured into it.
@@billionaeris1183 it really isn't a poor example though, "normal kids" aren't bullied for simply existing the way they want. Trans people in general are, regardless of age. The rest of your comment is just ignorant rhetoric. If a child is transitioning because of social peer pressure over what they actually want then that is wrong I and (hopefully) any actual trans person would agree with you there. The problem with throwing that argument around is that it doesn't apply to the vast majority of trans people (or at the very least there are no statistics that prove that to be the case). Not sure why you're surprised at the existence of forums where trans people (a marginalized group who on a wide scale experience abuse both verbal and physical at a constant rate) support one another. You don't care about kids, all you're doing is dunking on trans people and then framing it as: "b-b-but the kids broo" to make yourself look good.
Does "being well-versed in how to talk about these issues" include censoring, firing, reputation destruction and physical attacks upon women who dare to say no?
There are more "people" that regret knee surgery, but not more people per surgery. It would be like saying 5 people cut their own hands off and regretted it but 60 million people had their hair cut last year and millions regretted it. It is a false equivalence.
I say not allow surgery like this until 25, where the brain finishes developing, and also puberty has ended.
How will they know if they will be comfortable in a male or female body when they are neither...they are children.
In future please get people on who can properly challenge the trans propaganda.
GIDS did not follow up people who were medically transitioned so there'sno evidence on regret or detransitioning. Indeed tgecreseatchers on the Cass review were denied access to the data by GIDS which would have allowed the researchers access to the before and after data.
That''s not actually true. There are plenty of studies other than GIDS quantifying the regret rate just as it's presented in the item. But I respect you're at least not claiming the regret is high, because of course there would be no evidence of that either if they're not being followed up.
@@nakedenby I'm talking specifically about GIDS. Detransitioners are speaking out more now.
@@nakedenbyif it's not actually true, why did GIDS not produce the data during the judicial inquiry?
@@jennybaboolal4777 The evidence isn't limited to GIDs tho is it? Yes, there's a few TH-cam grifters calling themselves 'detransitioners' but the actual number based on actual evidence remains less than 1%. Prove me wrong.
@@Peter-xn7wg Truth isn't conditional on the decisions of a single agency. it's either true or it isn't and the abundant available evidence clearly shows it isn't.
Seriously i was 15-20 years of age in 85-90, and it was hand on heart the best years of my life, WTF are the people always going on about i do not know!
Yes i guess i got to enjoy the best decade ( the 80s ) ever in my opinion, but it was amazing, was allowed to go out from 15 onwards, had some amazing relationships, and i really special one, fantastic nights out, holidays!
My wonderful parents always were easy going gave me all the freedom i wanted, and Dad picked us up from nightclubs, and in return i never brought them any trouble, life was fantastic!!
I will never understand all the crap they are going on about now!!
It's a fad that will go the way of repressed memories, multiple personalities, cutting and anorexia. Unfortunately the damage will be done for thousands of this generation who wont have kids and will suffer in pain and regret for the rest of their lives. The people who create it and promote should be held accountable for their crimes of child abuse.
Ffs brain washing… just exactly how many children are asking for this? what is the percentage of children in this country, or is it the parents who wished they had a girl or boy 🤔
You can’t pause puberty!
Why not?
Why would anyone want to stop puberty?
One of the problems is that all of these conditions are based on a questionnaire that you know the answers to.Equating precocious puberty is a nonsense. It is baseless and it is not without evidence.
The NHS shouldn't have anything to do with any off this
SHE is creating the demand. So are THEY. Leave the kids alone.
Talk TV has the presentation and research standard of a sixth form school production. Considering how many people know about this subject on an incredible detailed and nuanced level, they get two people to discuss the issue who clearly do not come even close to that category.
We shouldn’t be listening to narcissists in the first place
Kids with precocious puberty come off blockers after a very short period. Anyone wanting to suppress testosterone or oestrogen will have to continue taking them for as long as they have testes or ovaries.
Are you not going to let the other woman speak?
What a one sided debate. Puberty blockers should be stopped. Young girls transition because they like girls are not boys they are gay. Schools have an obligation to tell parents. As a young person you don’t get independence till you are an adult. This person is recruiting trans it seems..
Pause puberty, yes just pause puberty like you're taking a break from a movie and start it up again a few years later
13:23 this sounds like a YOU problem and you should not be trying to push this ideology onto children
Why is "disagrees" in inverted commas? They do disagree. And they should. It's nonsense.
These people are dangerous Kids need rules and boundaries not secrets and medical interventions or breast binders that can break ribs and cause lung problems
Sex is not "assigned at birth". It is observed and recorded. You sexuality isn't, but your sex is.
Sex isn't 'observed' at birth. A health professional takes a glance at the external genitalia and records the closest matching category available to them. That's only a guide to probable sex and is no indication of gender whatsoever.
Oh by the way,I dont want my tax money spent on this.Its not an illness compared with chronic illnesses which are not being addressed because of overstretch.
Which chronic illnesses? I agree taxpayers shouldn't be funding this stuff, but how many chronic illnesses are self inflicted?
Too many take advantage of the NHS, it was meant to fix you up if you got sick, not because you led a lifestyle that made you ill
Health care already has a system to ration resources, which altho not perfect seems to work. Panels of medical and ethics experts decide how to apportion budgets. It isn't for us unqualified, untrained and inexperienced minions to gatekeep who receives health care.
@@chappy2121 Good point about arguably self-inflicted chronic illnesses and this is in fact taken into account by ethics experts on the panels who decide health budgets.
I think you'll find most gender affirming care is privately funded anyway. Everyone has gender but it isn't a 'lifestyle' or a choice.
'Antidepressants shouldn't be the first port of call'! FUCKING HELL, you might want to tell the doctors that. They throw them at you.
The non binary person is not coming across as honest. (Edit... In my opinion).
If it was illegal for people to undergo transgender or gender re-assignment therapy until they're 18 and/or have reached puberty, it would simplify this problem we have in our society. Modifying your hormones during or before puberty sounds like a very bad idea to me.
Ive never heard one person regret knee surgery
This is child abuse
A narcissist looking into a pool and falling in love with her ' male ' self
It shouldn't even be a thing. The treatment shouldn't be available to anyone under 18.
These are the new child predators !!!
I myst ask, where are the men, the fathers, uncles, brothers in this debate? why has this examination been woman led?
Grinning girl does not seem to understand what a literature review is.
Well SHE can leave our kids alone!
Knee surgery is for medical reasons .
Yes to regain mobility, not to impede mobility as this activist wrongly claimed.
Good choice of guests as this wasnt the usual shout fest. Well done Vanessa for gently pushing back on the idea that trans is just the new gay
A knee surgery isn't done unless there is something medicaly wrong with it to begin with. And when that goes wrong and patienxe don't have the result they hoped for in regards of better function or less pain perhaps, of coars they regret having it. That only tells one thing, that there are a lot of surgeons and doctors out there who don't do the best work on peoples knees. It don't tell anything about those pations except they are dissatisfyed with the medical treatment they got on their knees. Kids don't have the maturity to give onformed concent on having a tattoo done and sertianly not on having their helthy body permanently castrated and mutilated to mabey...mabey.. eease a mental problem that havent even been proparly diagnosed or adressed. The problem isn't the speed or lack of speed in helth care for theese kids, it's the quality of care they are given wich has been horenduce and lacking.
This Shivani person has all the dusintgenuous talking points (and frankly bullshit) I would expect from a transACTIVIST. She seldim answers a question directly and minimizes the very teal harm thar results when schools keep secrets with students from the parents. That alone, one of the less egregious grooming techniques characteristic of this movement, speaks volumes.
The young trans person is already showing signs of male pattern baldness
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Not exactly the best advertisement
This interview is awful. Feltz is giving little or no push back. The comparison with the knee surgery is stupid. People have knee operations because there’s something wrong with their knee. There’s nothing wrong with these young people who want surgery.
Knees was just used as a simple example to illustrate that all medical procedures have a level of regret but that of transition is very very low.
"feel"?????????? FFS......
The fact that this is even a debate on TV in this country shows that there is something wrong with this country.
It's about money, WEF money, there is no wrong or right when it concerns the WEF hierarchy. Just profit.
Children managed very well in the past. Now, it seems that they can't even cope with their own hair. I wonder who is telling them that they need medication???????
What's trans gender to do with regretting knee replacements?🤔
Shivani Dave is such a fool!
no one is willing to put the cash up because he is a flight risk
A 7 or eight year old going through puberty as this activist brought up as being equivalent to trans is not the case at all. First its very rare, and disturbingly its what happens a young child when they have been abused in the most grevious manner. It's a complete separate category of treatment than the treatment demanded by trans activist. The 2 issues have nothing in common and the clinical approach in both cases has entirely different considerations.
Same with someone needing knee or hip sugery, its to help mobility not impede it.
There's no evidence that abuse is other than a very rare cause of early puberty. The pharmacological impact of puberty blockers is the same despite the purposes being different. So the two scenarios are a valid comparison. Knee surgery is a good example of rate of regret which can be compared with any medical procedure including transition.
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I worked in mental health, so I know the evidence.
Nobody gets knee surgery on a healthy functioning knee, obviously that would be insane. Most knee surgeries improves the mobility of the patient. If the surgeries are not successful the patient's situation stays the same. You know fine well your not comparing like with like. But you know what, I am so happy that the Cass report was carried out, and like every normal person i am horrified by the findings, but i am not surprised.
First do no harm would keep their wellbeing at the forefront But that's common sense which is sadly lacking in the trans community
More regret knee surgery because more people have knee surgery
She was talking about percentage, not total numbers.
Shivani uses redundant circular fallacious logic
One thing does not follow from the previous
There are no first principles/she is in violation of the rule or order of the logic of first principles
Shivani's cognition appears to have been impaired by that lump on the front R of her head, obviously impacting her frontal lobes & faculties of higher reasoning
Besides the narcissism, grandiosity, virtue signalling, self importance, cringe etc
Vanessa changes more often than the weather. Shes one of those commentators that just follows the herd.
Thank God for waiting lists and the children saved due to them. And how that young woman can compare this Frankenstein practice to knee surgery I will never know.
My mother 74 years old just had third knee replacement as errors made in previous ops. She after a week has barely any pain and is walking for the first time in a year. If they perfected the operation people would not be complaining. It is hard work to recover, lots of exercise and pushing oneself, a lot of older people just don't have it in them.
After cass it’s game over
Since when did Vanessa Feltz look like she'd been dried out in the sun then left in a crypt for a millennia??
They all have to go through puberty in the end 🌈
Well done at last , a calm debate on a sensitive subject
There was no debate. Questions were asked and only one side got to say their piece. There was no one challenging what was said by the nonbinary person.
Sorry for rhe poor spelling. Using my phone. Tiny buttons.
We cAn’t change gender like our pair of shoes. Give understanding about male and female roles appropriately and correctly
Who is changing gender like shoes? People don't 'change' gender, they affirm the gender they already have.
Well done to Shivani for calmly debunking Vanessa Feltz complete bullshit and misinformation.
She didn’t debunk anything and what Vanessa Fetlz said was not complete bullshit at all
@@sannya6390 Well it was because she was making out that somehow trans people get fast tracked onto hormone blockers when in reality they're on waiting lists for years.
@@Space_Ghost91 first of all, you can only take puberty blockers if you haven’t experience puberty yet or at the very start. No one taking puberty blockers are full fledged adults. So obviously kids are and have been taken puberty blockers, whether they were in a waiting list or not. Secondly, Vanessa Feltz was obviously talking about those young people who are taking drugs not the ones who are still waiting and would more likely end up only getting them as adults. Obviously, everyone isn’t on a waiting list, at least not until adulthood. If that was the case then there will be no need to have a discussion about kids taking hormones or puberty blockers.
@@sannya6390 You know how many children in the UK are currently on puberty blockers? 100. Not the cultural epidemic you think it is when faced with the numbers. Also Feltz's baseless anecdote about doctors being too afraid to say no to patients in case some "trans lobby" comes and gets them is a complete fabrication. If you've ever spoken to a trans person about their experiences with doctors you'd know that's far from the truth. All Feltz is doing is fear mongering, spreading misinformation and trying to get people frothing at the mouth over something that in reality affects a small percentage of the population.
I “ demanded “ Valium from my GP back in the day and guess what he wouldn’t give it to me ! 🎉 that’s old school
Hey, leave our kids alone……. Plenty of time to think and understand all this when they are old enough….
What a load of bollocks most of the children just want attention
Did the other guest get a word in?!
I hate TH-cam web new layout why are the comments on the side and now all videos suggestions under the video itself, it's awful, change it back or give us a choice!!
During proud month I went to my bank Name B. two times.
There were two big colorful flags.
Despite being a hetero for 40 years I started questioning my sex. I encourage everyone to also question themselves.
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The power of advertising on adults works brilliantly. Even better on small brains that are two times more prone brains to suggestions.
they "PAUSE" their puberty do they..."PAUSE" it. Then what 10 years later you just press play and your body is meant to carry on and form like normal while been on a so called pause. We are talking about children aswell dont forget.
Well if people believe in religion , they will believe anything .
What do you want the NHS to treat cancer treatment and other serious diseases or that money being spent on transgender treatment
... & reckless parenting
How do you become a triple?
Sickening
Most knee ops are on a much older group. And they’re not slow to complain. Not sure why you’d compare this to surgery for a much younger group, who don’t want to admit they made a mistake.
Knee Surgery remains much more common (for now) and I’ve a sneaking suspicion that they may have just been comparing totals rather than the proportion 😂
That's a good point but knees was just used as an easy to understand example - the same is true for almost any surgical regret at any age.
Let them be kids and grow up, then they can make these life changing decisions!
I didn't mind the guest who was non-binary, they didn't melt down and spoke clearly. I felt a little bad for the woman beside her, who seemed a bit ignored. Anyway, my comment is on the number of girls now wanting to "transition". I wonder what percentage want to NOT look like a budding young woman after sexual abuse from men. I absolutely hated as my shape changed and I hated men when I was around the age of 11 or 12 because they'd always be all over me (and I was not very attractive, but I was vulnerable). JMO.
No doubt there are a few % of the cases you describe but I think the explanation is far simpler - that the girls are just catching up with the boys, having been suppressed for all sorts of social reasons. After all, the numbers of transgender men v transgender women are exactly equal across Europe and North America. A decade ago people were mistakenly criticising the number of trans women seeking treatment, just because they had a higher profile in the toxic 'debate'. Some people just can't be pleased, especially when they're seeking an excuse to justify their hatred.
knee surgery? cartilage repair/ removal, ACL, partial joint replacement, full joint replacement , tendon reattachment, bit vague probly made up ''fact''
Nope, it's factual. The data is out there for all to research.
@@nakedenby 'trans' regret up to 30% depending on survey, knee surgery regret 0.3%, dissatisfaction up to 25% depending on survey
@@emperorsnewclothes9405 Please don't spread lies. All studies consistently show trans regret rate less than 1%. The data is out there for all to see.