As a dedicated rl player (7k hours) I would place it A tier, the main reasons it would not make it S tier is cuz of 2 main reasons being for new ppl looking for something competitively you would need to spend a lot of hours learning the basic mechanics of the game to understand what you can do , however the 2nd problem for me is the true reason why it is not S tier... game lacks variety, and if it was to be changed the whole game would not be the same anymore... we are all waiting (hoping) on news about unreal engine 5 , to see much more to do other than just playing the game / trading (which has gone dead). Yes competitive wise it is amazing, and even tho the skill ceiling is so high a new meta can be formed all the time, the game is has so many moments it feels repetitive and boring.
This guy doesn't know the purpose of this list, so why is he even making this video? It's supposed to be about skill cap of.a game. Putting Starcraft II at the bottom in F tier because playerbase is dead? lol And it's not even true, you can go on ladder and get a match in 10 secs.
In my opinion, League of Legends def should have put it to D tier or next to Dota bc you can't get better there is always one troll or afk and the mmr system is really mest up I was in hardstuck silver my highest was plat and when I was in plat I was still playing with bronze and silver only way to get better is to make a new account or to buy an account toxicity is beyond than any game banning system is not great and losers queue. The only games I see top of the list is Valorant CS:GO Fortnite and Siege. I'm sorry for bad English xd .
Ive put a pretty solid 6k hours into League by now and although I do agree that the mmr system needs a hard reset You can definitely still get better at the game. Hardstuck/Losers queue has been consistantly disproven and more shows a decent lock on SBMM within league, banning not sure if you mean toxic/reports or pick/ban but pick/ban is coming to Valorant soon, and toxic/reports its the only game that I've seen people actually get banned in
@@hyde5295 In My opinion they were consistently proven it exist in League of legends and the only competitive that doesn't have voice coms, the only game unless I'm wrong xd idk about other games that may have losers queue but I only know League I've put in over 15k or 20k in league unless you have a website that can show how many hours you put into league if you do drop it below I'm curious started in season 4. Banning I meant like in as toxicity and feeding ya they improve toxicity but they also invoke it more. hope I said that right
Yup I do prefer league, I also just find the sports side of league to at least have more popularity and money backing it cuz Valve is pretty noninteractive but I don't have nearly the time in Dota that I do in league
@@hyde5295dota has the highest price pool for esports specifically 40m usd last 2021. Wat u mean by money backing better on LOL? I think LOL only had 6m usd for the highest price pool? That doesn't compare to Dota2.
My tier are s tier is cs2, rocket leauge, brawl halla, sim Racing and Warcraft 3 tft A tier fifa, melee, quacke B tier starcraft 2 C tier: Valorant D tier cod, halo, pubg F tier, leauge, dota, smitte, HoN, farming simulator, ow2.
Valorant even outside of netcoding was never crazy appealing to me, from what I know it isn't supposed to be horrible but I don't really play anymore so 🤷♂
@@uresfffff222 Id say that sucking at CS has nothing to do with popularity in a region. If that was true League would also be struggling just as bad. I think CS just doesn't upkeep to modern standards so most people move on
@@hyde5295 Na leauge is dying tho, Many Na teams are wanting to get bought out so they can leav. Team Liquid and so on want to not have an Na lol team. As Na leaugea wivers have gone Down alot, and arent not making enough money to even be stable. Its only cause Riot dont want Na to die. Even tho most of the players that play there are from either Korea or Eu. So how much Na is it really?
@@heavyflamerheresy2581 NA pro scene is dying but NA player count isn't. That's My point, the pro scene doesn't effect the actual playerbase as much as ppl think
Fortnite is a easy A or S tier it’s extremely hard to get good at building and editing placing high in tournaments is also extremely difficult as they are open to all player meaning over 10k people play tournaments and only 100 qualify to tournament finals
In my experience with Fortnite there is an active high elo playerbase but now low elo competitive playerbase, which can definitely make the game a turnoff for people. In most games where rank averages around Silver/Gold or bottom 50%, Fortnite tends to be a little bit higher than that just due to the pretty heavy emphasis on the casual vs competitive playerbases the game houses. Could just be me tho
Honestly I think C Tier fits it perfectly, the devs have some good intentions despite marketing to children but it does NOT have a high skill ceiling. Dota on the other hand, I think should be rated higher than Fortnite even if it's an older game.
The fact Fortnite is a battle royal with lots of rng factors that instantly lowers it by 1 tier for for me. I’d give it an A or a B just for that. You can’t give it an S man.
This tier list seems pretty good to me, don't listen to some tryhards in comments, I think though that your ranking of LOL seems to be quite biased. Is the community not toxic anymore? Also for casuals doesnt seem to be that great. Smite was great in the past but it quickly lost its charm. I also don't like the gameplay systems in valorant/csgo, relying on spray patterns, sheathing weapons for movement and other such unrealistic mechanics.
I probably am biased on LoL as it's one of 2 games I have the most experience with, the #1 being Siege. The community is verbally pretty toxic but I rarely ever see it leak into gameplay anymore. agreed on everything elso tho fr
so, basically you don't know alot of rocket league and you put rocket league in B tier bruh, you know something is wrong in this tier list when you see rocket league and cs go in B tier
I had a conversation with another rocket league player and would personally bump it up to A tier now, I still dont think S. CS2 tho deffy stays in B tier, game is too solved, Valve is a doggy dev and in most aspects you can get a better shooter experience elsewhere. Game needs updates and ways to make the playerbase improve outside of just aim/strafe mechanics.
I hate the toxicity in fifa. Destiny is all about money and Greed. Valorant is all about the competitiveness so you need mics, and you will have toxic people, bruh my friends made me toxic when we were playing it. Need something like a call of duty or so, or maybe destiny but without engaging with anything in the game other than pvp. Hopefully this video has good suggestions.
Unfortunately toxicity tends to be a side effect of anything competitive so not much you can do there, but if you want some FPS to just vibe out with definitely try out BattleBit. Not as competitive wise to ranking or anything more Battlefield-esk but VoiP and a fun artstyle with good progression makes a pretty solid, fun game
This is the worst tier list I have ever seen lol. "CS isn't on top of viewership" CS casually being the second most viewed game in that entire list. Puts Starcraft at the bottom because of viewership? You know nothing about competitive games or esports lol
Starcraft was at the bottom because of viwership and popularity, the game has been very low playerbase for a very long time. CS is also very popular in Europe but NA playerbase is definitely a lot lower, especially since the launch of CS2, as well the game has been at an all time low lately for the anticheat failures, forcing FACEIT to be its main competitive hub, as well as poor netcode issues
I do agree I worded stuff poorly as I didnt make a script or anything, plus its an older video I made so there's some outdated stuff as well, but I think those 2 games I still stand pretty firm on my ranking for 2023 and 2024 gaming sphere
@@hyde5295 That's it? That's your other reasoning for CS being that low? CS esports and competitive play is S tier at the lowest. 2nd highest played game in the tier list, the 2nd highest viewed game at peak and average compared to any other game on that list. It's your opinion, but its wrong in viewership and player count. CS is never below S tier and your reasoning makes 0 zero sense LOL. Competitive games may not be your thing.
@@tezy6698 I mean I played ESL R6 and tried to play for HCS, I stay pretty in tune with esports. And viewership although that being a part of what I said in my video is far from the only thing that makes a good competitive game, there are so many other factors that trump just the esports viewership that make a game competitive as a whole. Most people in the CS competitive community are well aware of how bad CS2 launched and how it continues to be, its why we saw the hiatus of S1mple as a player, and why their ranked system gets bashed regularly
@@hyde5295 Ask anyone and they will put CS in S tier. Just because you believe you’re in tune with the games doesn’t mean you are right. Clearly you aren’t in tune with competitive games. If you believe CS isn’t S tier through its entire history then you don’t know competitive games or esports, and that’s okay. The tier list is just bad and sorry to say but there is a reason the entire comment section disagrees with you.
Bro said Fortnite had a low skill ceiling theres no way. Once you learn building the game is just an aim check 😂 bro has not watched Fortnite since chapter one. The competice scene from a balance perspective is 10x better than what it was in chapter 1 when you had double pumping,mechs and infinity blades
it still isn't balanced imo, which is why so many large streamers left the game. Although the updates make the game fun when you keep an ever rotating cycle of an arsenal you're never balancing the game to stay esports ready
@@hyde5295many large streamers left the game because of how big the skill ceiling is, so when the streamers werent putting in 8+ hours a day working on their skill they quickly fell behind particularly during covid. its really your own opinion on the ranking but imo fortnite has probably the highest skill ceiling in any game on this list
@@walking.thoughts I dont think any FPS games get to beat MOBAs in any skill ceiling, they're just more difficult in general, DOTA compared to Fortnite is crazy diff skill
Brawlhalla I could see, Does Warcraft 3 even have a playerbase enough for decent competition outside of Esports anymore? I dont think I've ever heard of a Warcraft 3 player in 2023
"competitive dota scene never sticks out" LMAO have you even heard of TI and how much is the prize money compared with other games?? Any of your "statistical analysis" only comes from personal assumptions and does not include any reliable data xdd
@@hyde5295 What I am saying is your statement "competitive dota scene never sticks out" does not even seem to even consider the prize money. prize money should be a factor and arguably an equal if not more important factor than more players/viewers. Also, like I said, overall, you seem to talk about every game based on your personal experience and assumption, list some studies and statistical numbers to make it more reliable at least, that is if you want to make a "fairly accurate" analytical video about "best competitive games", and not ranking video games based on assumptions and preference.
@@Spudluc oh no the video is completely opinion based I do Believe there were multiple points in the video that I stated this was an opinion, as 99% of tier lists are.
The game has seen a steady decline in popularity, it rarely sees major updates or additional content outside of maps or skins, and the new maps tend to be straight garbage for the first year of launch anyway. Doesn't sound like my kinda S tier ngl
Smite is fun but I'm pretty sure that game has been like DEAD DEAD for like 6 years now. Looking forward to Smite 2 tho hoping that one will have longevity
@hyde5295 10k always online (only on Steam too Probably more players on xbox/ps) is not dead. Every other game in the same genre is dead (moba Third person) smite is always been the most played 3rd person moba game for 12 years now.
@@yohaydn8489 well yeah it'll be the most played 3rd person moba period it kinda owns that genre, but 12k it relatively small to a lot of the games on this list. Not to mention is has no forward growth until Smite 2 drops since mobas are hard to get into and no one ever made modernized tools to learn that are quality. Plus Esports and content side of the game are definitely on the low end of popularity as well
I'd also argue more against dota as well, but I think having a low skill floor with a high skill ceiling is key for a competitive game, it adds better rank dispersity and a larger sample size of players overall
Yeah bad call on those w R6 crashing hard, other than StarCraft that game just does not have the playerbase and I would argue that CSGO also ranked lower cuz NA scene for that game is bad
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bad tier list BOOOOOO
As a dedicated rl player (7k hours) I would place it A tier, the main reasons it would not make it S tier is cuz of 2 main reasons being for new ppl looking for something competitively you would need to spend a lot of hours learning the basic mechanics of the game to understand what you can do , however the 2nd problem for me is the true reason why it is not S tier... game lacks variety, and if it was to be changed the whole game would not be the same anymore... we are all waiting (hoping) on news about unreal engine 5 , to see much more to do other than just playing the game / trading (which has gone dead). Yes competitive wise it is amazing, and even tho the skill ceiling is so high a new meta can be formed all the time, the game is has so many moments it feels repetitive and boring.
great video btw
Interesting, I appreciate the input on that I don't stay around that scene much. Cool to hear tho that it is doing better than I anticipated
@@yagmi8667 also ty a lot for watching!
you really have no clue on most of these picks.
Maybe, maybe not. It do be a lot of opinions
I'm sure u do Viktor
This guy doesn't know the purpose of this list, so why is he even making this video? It's supposed to be about skill cap of.a game. Putting Starcraft II at the bottom in F tier because playerbase is dead? lol And it's not even true, you can go on ladder and get a match in 10 secs.
Leage is f
Statistics prove you wrong 😎
In my opinion, League of Legends def should have put it to D tier or next to Dota bc you can't get better there is always one troll or afk and the mmr system is really mest up I was in hardstuck silver my highest was plat and when I was in plat I was still playing with bronze and silver only way to get better is to make a new account or to buy an account toxicity is beyond than any game banning system is not great and losers queue. The only games I see top of the list is Valorant CS:GO Fortnite and Siege.
I'm sorry for bad English xd .
Ive put a pretty solid 6k hours into League by now and although I do agree that the mmr system needs a hard reset You can definitely still get better at the game. Hardstuck/Losers queue has been consistantly disproven and more shows a decent lock on SBMM within league, banning not sure if you mean toxic/reports or pick/ban but pick/ban is coming to Valorant soon, and toxic/reports its the only game that I've seen people actually get banned in
@@hyde5295 In My opinion they were consistently proven it exist in League of legends and the only competitive that doesn't have voice coms, the only game unless I'm wrong xd idk about other games that may have losers queue but I only know League I've put in over 15k or 20k in league unless you have a website that can show how many hours you put into league if you do drop it below I'm curious started in season 4. Banning I meant like in as toxicity and feeding ya they improve toxicity but they also invoke it more. hope I said that right
I was wondering why Dota was so low, then he came out as a League Fanboy, lmao.
Yup I do prefer league, I also just find the sports side of league to at least have more popularity and money backing it cuz Valve is pretty noninteractive but I don't have nearly the time in Dota that I do in league
@@hyde5295dota has the highest price pool for esports specifically 40m usd last 2021. Wat u mean by money backing better on LOL? I think LOL only had 6m usd for the highest price pool? That doesn't compare to Dota2.
Dafug? Just type Highest prize ever made in competitive esport games. and LEAGUE OF CHILDREN aint even close.
U look like a lol player
For the longest time I did play it Dx
My tier are
s tier is cs2, rocket leauge, brawl halla, sim Racing and Warcraft 3 tft
A tier fifa, melee, quacke
B tier starcraft 2
C tier: Valorant
D tier cod, halo, pubg
F tier, leauge, dota, smitte, HoN, farming simulator, ow2.
Nice List, i'll try my own
do it and let me know when you do would love to see how our thoughts compare!
i cant agree on the teir list even on a single game
Mostly ends up being personal opinion in the end so whatever works for you keep playin those games and havin fun fr
valorant the worst game out there when it comes to netcoding xD
Valorant even outside of netcoding was never crazy appealing to me, from what I know it isn't supposed to be horrible but I don't really play anymore so 🤷♂
Csgo pgl major 2022 peaked at 2.2m viewers and u say not alot of people watch it 😂
From NA, not really. It's been a pretty avid topic in the pro scene ab why NA viewership and player counts have struggled
@@hyde5295 is it really csgo's fault that NA just sucks at cs ???
@@uresfffff222 Id say that sucking at CS has nothing to do with popularity in a region. If that was true League would also be struggling just as bad. I think CS just doesn't upkeep to modern standards so most people move on
@@hyde5295 Na leauge is dying tho, Many Na teams are wanting to get bought out so they can leav. Team Liquid and so on want to not have an Na lol team. As Na leaugea wivers have gone Down alot, and arent not making enough money to even be stable. Its only cause Riot dont want Na to die. Even tho most of the players that play there are from either Korea or Eu. So how much Na is it really?
@@heavyflamerheresy2581 NA pro scene is dying but NA player count isn't. That's My point, the pro scene doesn't effect the actual playerbase as much as ppl think
Crab game has left the chat
💀I forgot about the most competitve game on the market...
on point 👌
Fortnite is a easy A or S tier it’s extremely hard to get good at building and editing placing high in tournaments is also extremely difficult as they are open to all player meaning over 10k people play tournaments and only 100 qualify to tournament finals
In my experience with Fortnite there is an active high elo playerbase but now low elo competitive playerbase, which can definitely make the game a turnoff for people. In most games where rank averages around Silver/Gold or bottom 50%, Fortnite tends to be a little bit higher than that just due to the pretty heavy emphasis on the casual vs competitive playerbases the game houses. Could just be me tho
Honestly I think C Tier fits it perfectly, the devs have some good intentions despite marketing to children but it does NOT have a high skill ceiling. Dota on the other hand, I think should be rated higher than Fortnite even if it's an older game.
@@JonesCrimson I think in retrospect I definitely do agree with this statement, probably couldve had dota around B/A even
The fact Fortnite is a battle royal with lots of rng factors that instantly lowers it by 1 tier for for me. I’d give it an A or a B just for that. You can’t give it an S man.
Actually solid list
😎TY
10:24 Cod has city's for their teams too 😅
No Kiddin, I even remember hearing that elsewhere too D: mistakes were made
5:39 you are about to say some of the dumbest shit ive ever heard lmao 😭
This tier list seems pretty good to me, don't listen to some tryhards in comments, I think though that your ranking of LOL seems to be quite biased. Is the community not toxic anymore? Also for casuals doesnt seem to be that great. Smite was great in the past but it quickly lost its charm. I also don't like the gameplay systems in valorant/csgo, relying on spray patterns, sheathing weapons for movement and other such unrealistic mechanics.
I probably am biased on LoL as it's one of 2 games I have the most experience with, the #1 being Siege. The community is verbally pretty toxic but I rarely ever see it leak into gameplay anymore. agreed on everything elso tho fr
Valorant has spray patterns, not CS
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where is startcraft brood war and csgo is s tier all of the other games suck
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most based takes i've ever heard. will not play any of these games at all
Double based
so, basically you don't know alot of rocket league and you put rocket league in B tier bruh, you know something is wrong in this tier list when you see rocket league and cs go in B tier
I had a conversation with another rocket league player and would personally bump it up to A tier now, I still dont think S. CS2 tho deffy stays in B tier, game is too solved, Valve is a doggy dev and in most aspects you can get a better shooter experience elsewhere. Game needs updates and ways to make the playerbase improve outside of just aim/strafe mechanics.
what's keeping rocket league from getting to S tier?@@hyde5295
I hate the toxicity in fifa. Destiny is all about money and Greed. Valorant is all about the competitiveness so you need mics, and you will have toxic people, bruh my friends made me toxic when we were playing it. Need something like a call of duty or so, or maybe destiny but without engaging with anything in the game other than pvp.
Hopefully this video has good suggestions.
Unfortunately toxicity tends to be a side effect of anything competitive so not much you can do there, but if you want some FPS to just vibe out with definitely try out BattleBit. Not as competitive wise to ranking or anything more Battlefield-esk but VoiP and a fun artstyle with good progression makes a pretty solid, fun game
This is the worst tier list I have ever seen lol. "CS isn't on top of viewership" CS casually being the second most viewed game in that entire list. Puts Starcraft at the bottom because of viewership? You know nothing about competitive games or esports lol
Starcraft was at the bottom because of viwership and popularity, the game has been very low playerbase for a very long time. CS is also very popular in Europe but NA playerbase is definitely a lot lower, especially since the launch of CS2, as well the game has been at an all time low lately for the anticheat failures, forcing FACEIT to be its main competitive hub, as well as poor netcode issues
I do agree I worded stuff poorly as I didnt make a script or anything, plus its an older video I made so there's some outdated stuff as well, but I think those 2 games I still stand pretty firm on my ranking for 2023 and 2024 gaming sphere
@@hyde5295 That's it? That's your other reasoning for CS being that low? CS esports and competitive play is S tier at the lowest. 2nd highest played game in the tier list, the 2nd highest viewed game at peak and average compared to any other game on that list. It's your opinion, but its wrong in viewership and player count. CS is never below S tier and your reasoning makes 0 zero sense LOL. Competitive games may not be your thing.
@@tezy6698 I mean I played ESL R6 and tried to play for HCS, I stay pretty in tune with esports. And viewership although that being a part of what I said in my video is far from the only thing that makes a good competitive game, there are so many other factors that trump just the esports viewership that make a game competitive as a whole. Most people in the CS competitive community are well aware of how bad CS2 launched and how it continues to be, its why we saw the hiatus of S1mple as a player, and why their ranked system gets bashed regularly
@@hyde5295 Ask anyone and they will put CS in S tier. Just because you believe you’re in tune with the games doesn’t mean you are right. Clearly you aren’t in tune with competitive games. If you believe CS isn’t S tier through its entire history then you don’t know competitive games or esports, and that’s okay. The tier list is just bad and sorry to say but there is a reason the entire comment section disagrees with you.
I fell asleep trying to Watch lol esport, where as counter strike have just rounds. Its a much better system.
For esports yes its easier viewer experience, but not rating on just the esports 😁
Bro said Fortnite had a low skill ceiling theres no way. Once you learn building the game is just an aim check 😂 bro has not watched Fortnite since chapter one. The competice scene from a balance perspective is 10x better than what it was in chapter 1 when you had double pumping,mechs and infinity blades
it still isn't balanced imo, which is why so many large streamers left the game. Although the updates make the game fun when you keep an ever rotating cycle of an arsenal you're never balancing the game to stay esports ready
@@hyde5295many large streamers left the game because of how big the skill ceiling is, so when the streamers werent putting in 8+ hours a day working on their skill they quickly fell behind particularly during covid. its really your own opinion on the ranking but imo fortnite has probably the highest skill ceiling in any game on this list
@@walking.thoughts def not highest on the list cuz MOBAs but I do retract it on being low
@@hyde5295 maybe overall but imo fortnite has the highest mechanical skill ceiling
@@walking.thoughts I dont think any FPS games get to beat MOBAs in any skill ceiling, they're just more difficult in general, DOTA compared to Fortnite is crazy diff skill
Counter strike and rocket league need to be in 2 teir
Warcraft 3, Brawlhalla?
Brawlhalla I could see, Does Warcraft 3 even have a playerbase enough for decent competition outside of Esports anymore? I dont think I've ever heard of a Warcraft 3 player in 2023
"competitive dota scene never sticks out" LMAO have you even heard of TI and how much is the prize money compared with other games?? Any of your "statistical analysis" only comes from personal assumptions and does not include any reliable data xdd
Bigger prize pool doesn't mean more players/viewers, your statistical analysis doesn't account for all factors
@@hyde5295 What I am saying is your statement "competitive dota scene never sticks out" does not even seem to even consider the prize money. prize money should be a factor and arguably an equal if not more important factor than more players/viewers. Also, like I said, overall, you seem to talk about every game based on your personal experience and assumption, list some studies and statistical numbers to make it more reliable at least, that is if you want to make a "fairly accurate" analytical video about "best competitive games", and not ranking video games based on assumptions and preference.
@@Spudluc oh no the video is completely opinion based I do Believe there were multiple points in the video that I stated this was an opinion, as 99% of tier lists are.
Apex is def s, all your takes on it we’re wrong
The game has seen a steady decline in popularity, it rarely sees major updates or additional content outside of maps or skins, and the new maps tend to be straight garbage for the first year of launch anyway. Doesn't sound like my kinda S tier ngl
@@hyde5295As an advid apex enjoyer I couldn’t agree more lmfao
Guess you never played MOBA 3rd person games!! Smite will always be number 1....
Smite is fun but I'm pretty sure that game has been like DEAD DEAD for like 6 years now. Looking forward to Smite 2 tho hoping that one will have longevity
@hyde5295 10k always online (only on Steam too Probably more players on xbox/ps) is not dead. Every other game in the same genre is dead (moba Third person) smite is always been the most played 3rd person moba game for 12 years now.
@@yohaydn8489 well yeah it'll be the most played 3rd person moba period it kinda owns that genre, but 12k it relatively small to a lot of the games on this list. Not to mention is has no forward growth until Smite 2 drops since mobas are hard to get into and no one ever made modernized tools to learn that are quality. Plus Esports and content side of the game are definitely on the low end of popularity as well
@DualLofiZNT that's not true at all
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League is better than doto cause its easier for newbees
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I'd also argue more against dota as well, but I think having a low skill floor with a high skill ceiling is key for a competitive game, it adds better rank dispersity and a larger sample size of players overall
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@@viciouslyeatingaburger xD Ight bro, have good nite
Solid tier list
starcraft, fortnite, rocket league and CSGO ranks below R6 you are a joke 🤡😂😂😂
Yeah bad call on those w R6 crashing hard, other than StarCraft that game just does not have the playerbase and I would argue that CSGO also ranked lower cuz NA scene for that game is bad
@@hyde5295 your channel amount of subscribers reflect on your I.Q. and look how long you've been posting and only have that amount of subscribers.
@@viciouslyeatingaburger it's almost like I post for fun, like one video every other month 🤣 also why going for personal attacks instead of explaining
@@viciouslyeatingaburger regardless would love to hear your side anyway, I said my reasonings in the video and I still think they're valid