He makes a good point Doctor Who needs to get back to its traditional, definitely-non-feminist female characters from the 60s, 70s and 80s. You know, characters built around traditional feminine gender roles like maths genius, scientist, courageous reporter, or baseball bat wielding pyromaniac.
It's really telling how the most traditionally feminine companions were the most disliked by fans and only stayed for a season or less. (Polly, Dodo, etc.)
Susan: First serial and the second she sees her grandfather being attacked by a caveman twice her size, she is on that dudes back and while I can't confirm, it really looks to me as if she went straight for the Tyson. Action girls from day one.
I love how these kinds of people (Bowelstreak, Will of the Fans, Reaper...) call everyone else 'snowflakes,' when they all contributed to the Samaritan's phone lines crashing on Christmas Day, seconds after Ncuti was seen, dancing in his kilt.
I believe the kilt that Ncuti wore at Christmas has been identified as being made in Cameron hunting tartan. As a person who is a proud half scotsman and who has proudly worn a kilt for numerous formal family events it annoys me no end to see so many of These reactionary grifters trying to claim that Kilts are somehow not manly. Kilts have been worn by people of both sexes for centuries and served as the actual battle dress of Scottish warriors for a very long time. It's bad enough that these idiots keep trying to fuel there bs culture war by pretending that Dr Who wasn't progressive until now but now they have to try and drag Kilts of all things into the argument.
My name is also Will, I'm ginger, have a beard and a deep love for the Moffat era. I feel like I've just watched the bad future bizarro dimension version of myself 😅
It's not spelt out, but I always assumed the Silence having partial control over River Song during her conditioning may have led her to be sabotaging the TARDIS unknowingly as she was trying to avoid blowing it up. Or there was a silence in the control room that we couldn't see
@@TheDarkWhovian Definitely, personally it never bothered me not getting an explicit answer. I just distinctly remember people constantly bringing it up for all of Moff's tenure.
@@Faction.Paradox As do I, the forum rooms in those days were crazy right?! I still remember the Omega rumours for series 5. I still think it's a shame Moffat never got that fourth series with Matt to better tie everything in together, but still ToTD I felt gave us a satisfying conclusion to the mystery of who 'left the bath running'.
"The woke are erasing western traditionalism and culture" *sees a kilt* "RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"
Because people want to forget what history was really like and use it to fit there views these same people also don't like to talk about how almost every Roman Emperor was bi and wore what would nowadays be classified as dresses if these people actually went back in time they would be so angry
I really don't understand how people can call Chibnall era woke with straight face when it has the most right-wing moral in a decade on some stories (not dissing on actors but a woman lead doesn't do everything). And at the same time they morn the loss of the Moffat era with anticapitalist stories, antiwar stories, queer couples and characters. It's weird.
I actually don't mind the Chibnall Era for the most part, but I'm genuinely intrigued here! Which parts struck you as right wing? To be clear, I'm not trying to argue with you at all, anything of that nature went straight over my head, and now you got me curious. 😂
@@bennettnez4711 Kerblam's "the systems aren't the problem, how people use the system is the problem" moral, where the villain of the piece is a disgruntled worker and the automated systems of the amazon stand-in are a victim stand out a ton in this respect, given the series right before it had Oxygen, a story where capitalist systems literally killed workers explicitly because it was cheaper than keeping them alive. Notably, Kerblam takes place in a world where robots do the vast majority of the work and yet people still need money from jobs to pay for basic resources, and never does it come up that maybe people shouldn't need to work for a living if there's so little work that needs doing. It might not be extremely conservative, but Kerblam's take on capitalism and automation is very much the conservative "well the status quo isn't perfect but we can't fundamentally change this system, and the people who want to are dangerous radicals going too far" take.
@cfsfilms5091 Oh yeah, that totally makes sense. I just looked at the whole situation as obviously dystopian and strange and bad without needing it to be explained mid episode because it was self-evident. Then the choice to have the "villain" be a disgruntled worker was interesting to me because it wasn't black and white, so it added nuance to the story. I definitely was rooting for the workers, but then wanted the postal one to be stopped because it was costing lives. I agree that I wish the Doctor could have easily changed all of the current socio-economic trends of the universe at the time easily, but that would be hard to do without a Moffat power of love twist like the algorithm in Boom getting busted by dad love. I can only handle so much of that sort of thing anyways. I'm OK with The Doctor having limits, and stories ending on more of a grey note or with a high death count. It reminds me more of the classic series. I'll absolutely agree that on the surface it was weird though, they could have been blatantly preachy with a "good" message like most of the other episodes in the series.
Moffat may be a bit of an egotist as a writer, but you know he definitely loves and cares for the legacy of Doctor Who. So to see him stand up against a reactionary talking down on the show is such a chad move. Now we need RTD to verbally destroy Bowelstrek. I would love it if he would make an episode with ‘subtle’ commentary of online backlash and toxic fandoms, he would make a reactionary figure who looks and sounds exactly like Bowelstrek to really push audiences know how openly racist that Canadian Neo Nazi is.
I honestly feel like at this point, DW should just start naming some of their villains the likes of Sarkon, or have an episode where the monsters are clownfish coming out of your TV and screen-turning you stupid. Or as you said, have an episode about online harassment, where the key villain is someone with a username like "a path of bowel movements."
"that's the assumption that I was FORCED to base my entire video on" No. No you weren't. No one forced you to make that video. You honestly could have done anything else.
11:16 I don’t know about corsets but men by today’s standards looked much more feminine back in the 18th century. They wore coats with little skirts, straps and high heels. Just look at King Louis XIV of France and he looks super feminine! The term drag queen actually comes from Shakespeare from the fact that the actors would drag their dresses over the stage.
The earliest reference to "drag", in that sense, is the mid/late 19th century, more than 300 years after Shakespeare's death. It may well derive from the fact that the performers' flamboyant dresses would "drag" across the stage.
@@markpostgate2551 "Give us that list! What's that? Oh, I've had enough of this! Mr Jones, come and serve this customer! Look what he's put on there!" "Right, how many do you want? One or two?" Opens a drawer labeled 'Pollock Pieces'. With apologies to Gerald Wiley and The Two Ronnies.
There have been black and brown people in Britain for centuries. It is a recorded historical fact that the first Indian Restaurant in Britain was opened in London in 1808.
On the idea that how in your face 2005's Who was for 'sexual deviancy' is because of RTD - IIRC things Moffat has said online at various points, the meeting Moffat had with RTD about Captain Jack, his sexuality was basically an afterthought. "Oh, by the way, he'll shag anything, but it probably won't come up." which... I think Moffat has stated he took as a personal challenge. The concept was RTD, sure. But the actualization was a lot... More in your face... than it sounds like RTD was expecting in that meeting. And the character and show is all the better for it.
@@sortascouseaceno. Not classic who. Just any Dr who in general. One guy that look like a greasy discord mod literally tried to claim that ncuti sonic screwdriver jsnt a sonic screwdriver but trying to convince his viewers that it is a sex toy where he photo shop a butt plug over the screwdriver cause the dude was an open homophobe, looking for a way to make anything and the screwdriver an issue or woke, where he cried about how it had a proverb as if that is an issue to be mad about, then complained that ncuti used it as a flash light when literally Peter Capaldi did the same exact thing
Exactly my point. Ppl like will aren't even Dr who fans at all. Cause everytime they talk about the show they always get the info completely wrong and showing that they never seen the show. He literally complained that the doctor is race swapped and bad, as well.complained that the master and the doctor were played by females is woke yet ignored the general being a black woman. Yet this dude claimed Steven was a God and makes good Sci fi yet only names popular fan fav episode that takes a Google search to find them yet doesn't even know a single thing that happened in those stories
Also in the 60s there was an episode called "The Dominators" where almost every man in the episode was casually wearing a dress that to me is really important and people don't talk about it much
I’m glad I’m not the only one that doesn’t like “asylum of the daleks”, my personal worst episode is “curse of the black spot”, a boring episode that does little with the historical setting,but is made worse when you realise that the pirate who the doctor becomes “close friends” with is meant to be Henry Avery, one of the most notorious and evil criminals in history 😡 WTF were they thinking!!!
Exactly. What's also great is how he doesn't even need to show us the private messages he received (I mean, it really isn't any of our business what people privately send to Mr TARDIS after all). If you just look in his comments sections, you do see several public comments from former Nerdrotic fans, thanking him for de-radicalizing them. So yeah, the proof is very much in the pudding.
@@jakeoliver9167The fact is Chibnall is responsible for three of the worst Doctor Who seasons since the 80’s with Colin Baker, and the devaluing of a great actress playing the Doctor by giving her subpar stories and inconsistent writing, as well as a weak chemistry with her companions. Based on these facts, Chibnall should not be invited.
@L1z43vr Regardless of what you think about Chibber's run on Doctor Who, this may be a case of separating the artist from the art, and Chris seems like a nice enough bloke IRL. Bowlestrek, Nerdrotic, and HeelVsBabyface are the ones who are not welcome.
"Why did you say something so stupid, Steven" is a very common reaction to his interviews. I love him deeply and sometimes he buries himself the biggest hole possible.
That will of the fans guy is mind boggling. “His” ideas are so two dimensional. Well done on showing us how peculiarly daft these cretinous bigots are. Love your channel and DW.
Jaimie often wore a kilt, I don't hear conservatives getting triggered over that, which you'd think they would because Jaimie and the 2nd Doctor canonically FUCK! And that's not in dispute!
this guy's amount of denial is honestly laughable, i bet moffat could literally say something explicitly progressive and he'd still go into denial and say "oh that's not what he REALLY meant"
Capaldi is the most woke doctor I won't even take any other suggestions it is Capaldi let's list of some proof punching a racist literally making fun of trump not even just implying it literally saying his name in an insult when Missy first shows up he immediately switches to she her pronouns not even just for her currently when he's talking about her as a child he still used she her pronouns and honestly the list goes on Capaldi really is how I think an alien would be if they ever come to earth it just makes sense to me he comes from an advanced civilization why would he care about our petty human grudges against people for being different
7:35 it’s Achilles and Patroclus. I did my dissertation on it for my undergrad. Edit DW have a story set in Troy, I have an original 1970s novel of it. One of the companions stays there and married prince Trollius (though originally Trollius the youngest of Priam’s sons was obsessed and in love with Achilles, so much so he goes out and tries to fight him one on one and dies)
I would say RTD wrote some real crap in his original run. Having the Doctor resurrected from being Gollum in a birdcage by communal thought was pretty bad. I prefer Steven Moffat for all his faults he gave us a more serious darker tone and an actor over 45 in the role. I don’t know why these TH-camrs keep saying the BBC is communist by having minorities in Who because the communists discriminated against people who were different. I can understand why people would be critical of a black Isaac Newton. I wouldn’t want Rosa Parks played by a white actress. RTD does seem to like gaslighting people but he’s giving ammunition to the bigots out there by doing this. Same with making an issue out of Transgendered people when they should just be there acting out a role without needing to signpost their differences. Show the struggles rather than make statements. I wouldn’t want people making a big deal out of my being bisexual as I just want to be treated like everyone else. Moffat gave us a transgender character in a Capaldi episode but no fuss was made at all. I wonder if this commentator was against that casting? Have a transgendered companion but let them show character and give us decent stories and it’ll be fine. Making a big deal about someone being different just misses the whole point of acceptance and equality. I do agree with a lot of what you say Mr Tardis but I do feel that RTD could do things better. Well said Steven Moffat! Best show runner of modern Who.
@@kuggacouragegx6093 If you don’t know who the transgender actor was then Moffat did a great job. It shouldn’t be an issue. Only bigots make an issue out of someone’s differences. The Rose Noble character did make a point of saying the Doctor wouldn’t understand because he’s a man! Well what about transgendered men? Wasn’t the Doctor previously female? Of course he’d understand. It’s as if RTD had to take a swipe at men regardless of the male character in question. Same with Gatwa he had to have the Bi-Generation and have him in his first appearance in his underwear. The writing is disappointing.
@@PaulRichards-vz4pl so yes u got no evidence to back up your point. Also true bigots are the ones making it an issue but u making it an issue of something that never even happened
@@PaulRichards-vz4pl she literally never said anything about him being a man. Also no one was taking a jab at men. Also u do know that they were teasing him🤦♂️
@@kuggacouragegx6093 It’s a pity you’re not a woman Donna said and Rose said it’s something a male functioning Time Lord wouldn’t understand! Joke or not it came across as condescending in tone and unnecessary. Modern Who often does this to the Doctor. Make him look stupid when he’s vastly superior to mere humans.
In retrospect, I’m not sure who thought Chibnall would excel as a showrunner when his best story prior to his era was The Power of Three. Granted, it’s a good episode, but it’s nothing too special.
@@markpostgate2551 I forgot about the Silurian two-parter, that definitely takes the cake as Chibnall’s best. I think Jamie Mathieson or Neil Gaiman would’ve been great showrunners.
I don't like orophan 55 but not for the normal reasons like I honestly really like the climate change speech and believe it's probably the best written part of the episode and also the BENNY sure is cringey but so is like 90% of doctor who so I don't really care about that what I don't like is the plot twist for no reason the episode should have just openly taken place on earth from the start or been on another planet and if i were writing it I would have gone the second route imagine if the climate change speech instead of saying "change the timeline by taking care of earth" was "take care of earth so it doesn't end up like orphan 55" seeing another planet destroyd by climate change and knowing that our planet is still saveable just we need to work harder to take care of it would be so much better than what we got also the doctor telling humans to literally change the time line to stop an event they literally lived through is a paradox and I feel like it's way out of character for the doctor to promote paradoxes
6:52 The What? I'm a part of the LGBTQIA+ community and I Never picked up on anything between The Doctor and Nardol, much less anything "heavily coded." I need to rewatch now a series I've already watched a few times... I swear, you think you're paying attention and then someone says something matter of fact like that....
@@kuggacouragegx6093 2 first: So he's joking, there was no undertone coding. Fine. 1. ??? What do you mean? Yes you can shorten the list to the original 4, but it doesn't mean the rest of the letters are in some way wrong... ??? I'm very perplexed by you feeling the need to correct something that isn't wrong.
@@R.senals_Arsenal yes and it was obvious it was a joke tho🤦♂️ No that is literally the name, u don't need none of that extra things at all nor they mean anything, heck even ppl in the community acknowledged that it is annoying and messy for it changing alot. Well they are wring cause there is no need for them in the name.
@@kuggacouragegx6093 Again, for the Ill-informed/misinformed = You CAN shorten it to LGBT for convenience, I'm not arguing with that, most don't, BUT including any combination of the remaining letters is also Accurate/Correct. No Correction needed. Saying the rest don't mean anything is just ignorant and borderline insulting. You can admit you don't know what they mean, but that doesn't mean they don't exist or are in any way invalid. And AGAIN I AM IN THE COMMUNITY. So your unsubstantiated rando anecdotal rebuttal is ridiculous to say to my face and I imagine it comes from your misunderstanding of the difference between convenience and comprehensive inclusion. You can have both. LGBT and LGBTQIA+ or even LGTQIA2S+, all of it is correct. None are mutually exclusive initialisms.
@@R.senals_Arsenal there is no ill nor misinformation No it isn't being shorten. That is the correct term. It is that yall want to extend it for no reason when there is no need for it where the lgbt already is perfect kn its own and includes everyone already. No that is false. Yall feel like u have to include the other letter in to look inclusive. There is no remaining letter. It is just 4 though. No it isn't accurate or correct, it is just wrong and literally just unnecessary where u got the ppl themselves being divided on it and some of them can't even keep up with the many changes nor even bother on saying the full thing or all of the letters knowing it sounds insane and unnecessary where lgbt is already good enough and goes to the point. No it is true the rest don't even mean anything at all cause most of them aren't even real things at all, u just saying the same word with the same definition already. Literally like the q word " cause I still think it is a slur and not appropriate" But when u say the q community it literally just means gay and trans ppl, so why even bother to add q to lgbt when u just saying the same thing. Lgbtq+ is just u saying lgbtlgbt+ Literally just unnecessary really. Also no it isn't borderline insulting. No it isn't that I don't know what it means it is that everyone doesn't know what it means, menaing ppl like u and the community themselves, so what is the point to begin with? Even forcing yourself to go along with it knowing unnecessary really? Anecdotal? Homie please don't start using buzzwords, u really don't want to try to start something🤦♂️. No it isn't all correct it is just the 4. The others aren't necessary and u just proved my point it isn't at all and just over doing it
Did this guy seriously call the 13th Doctor "feminist"? like he's clearly not seen her era as 13 is very much not very feminine/feminist which is the point, her gender does NOT define her, that was a conscious decision and one I actually was happy with, ultimately she's the Doctor regardless of her gender, it normalizes that the Doctor can be ANYONE and that is fantastic. Good on Moffat for debunking this guy and calling him out, and this guy seriously has the audicity to call himself "Will of the Fans"? He does NOT represent or speak for most Doctor Who fans AT ALL.
Y'know, I'd genuinely never realised that the 13th Doctor wasn't particularly feminine, which I guess was the desired effect hahahaha that's wild now that you've pointed it out, cause it feels like every other modern Doctor (besides DT2 and Ncuti) has had some easily identifiable uber-masculine moment that is actually kinda weird when you think about it. Nine has the "You need a Doctor" moment where he literally saves Rose by kissing her (I know I'm oversimplifying that, but when you boil that scene down you're left with the obvious question - Why couldn't a hug do it?), Ten has that big action set piece where he rides a horse through a glass space portal to save Madame de Pompadour (not to mention the various innuendos and flirts with Rose hahaha), Eleven gets to ride a scooter up the side of the Shard (though tbf to Matt Smith he does play it in his usual 'hip alien uncle' way so it negates it quite a bit), and Twelve literally has that scene where he enters a Viking battle arena playing electric guitar, wearing Ray-Bans, on the top of AN ACTUAL TANK 😂😂😂 like something out of a Syfy Channel Iron Man knock-off 😂😂😂 That's obviously not to say that women can't/don't kiss other women, ride horses, save the day, ride scooters, play guitar, wear Ray-Bans, or drive tanks, because they obviously can and obviously do. My main point is that when a male character does it on TV and a female character does it on TV, the vibes tend to be veeeeeeeery different 😂
@@8LiterallyJustTheNumber8 I have a very immediate suspicion of anyone that claims to speak “for the fans”, as if fans are a singular regressive monolith of 40 year old basement dwellers.
I really want to see this man's reaction to Boom given how obviously wrong and stupid trying to claim Moffat as "one of us" and that he'd never willingly return to the series turned out to be. Does he have to suddenly pretend he's always hated Moffat's work? Does he pretend the woke zombies got him and none of that commentary lines up perfectly with everything he ever wrote? He obviously can't *like* the episode without the house of cards collapsing, which is awkward because Boom is pretty great and completely in-line with Moffat's best work, and I feel like anyone approaching it in good faith would have to concede that at least a little.
Pin this comment if Moffat is or isn't coming back The third option is that Moffat never left in the first place, and Russell T Davies and Chris Chibnall are just androids Moffat built, so he could keep writing without any suspicion. Moffat in fact is older than anyone thinks, and he's actually been puppeteering the show since 1963.
On gender neutral accessories, I may be misremembering but I heard cigarettes were apparently created for women, hence the term “cigarETTE”, and men smoked cigars. Over time, smoking in general just became a more manly thing. Yes, James Bond is actually a weak girly man.
“Because I refuse to call myself a BS term like Whovian.” Sounds like an edgy teenager. Also, I’m been a bit out of this discourse for a while (done wonders for my health) and it’s honestly a little nostalgic now to hear about some good old fashioned crazy people in this… I hesitate to say “fandom” because I don’t want to align myself with people like this. I guess “Who enthusiasts”
Why does that sound like a character in Game of Thrones? 😂 "Your Grace, the White King and his Troll army are about to sack Riverrun, what should we do?" "Send a raven to Ser Flamboyant of House Gayblack, tell him to gather his soldiers and ride north. Once that's done, dispatch riders to the keeps of Lord Exuberant Queerjew and Ser Vivacious Creolechair" 😂😂😂
Counting the spin-off Doctors in "The Curse of Fatal Death" the 13th Doctor becomes FEMALE - in 1999 i.e. last millenium! The old fashioned look on females in Doctor Who: skirts = straight / trousers = queer? The 2nd Doctor was only in black and white, else we would have had a better view on Jamie's kilt. Every Doctor re-uses old items like 11th with Amy's glasses or 15th the trousers of 13th😂
I spent my formative years in Scotland. Seeing a man in a kilt dancing in a nightclub was not uncommon 😂 the outrage is hilarious. Also, for centuries aristocratic boys and girls were clothed in “gender neutral” clothing while they were young. They all wore dresses
29:30 This guy is missing the key word "IF". Moffat said "If I say there is something wrong." not "I say there is something wrong." This is because this guy is projecting his opinions onto Steven Moffat.
But the Capaldi doctor bickered with everyone the only people I'll argue he fully respected are bill and river and even then I could still point out some moments where he teased both of them that's just kinda how he is also extra comment he respected all of his companions just some more then others also I think clara deserves a mention here because he did like clara just the deal with her is he was so early on in his character arc through like half the time when traveling with her he came off as a jerk sometimes
its funny now looking back and hearing that quote. it features both titles of doctor who episodes he’s written for this season but guy in the video being reviewed is reading wayyyy too into it.
19:07 "His overarching arcs [lmao] would just keep us glued to our seats! We wanted to know like -- **especially with Season 6** " brrruuuhhh out of **ALL** the Moffat seasons... Six did it for ya, eh? 🙄 . . . . SEASON SIX 🤦♂
Honestly when it comes to new who the matt Smith era might be my least favorite personality wise matt Smith is a great doctor who just bought so much energy and alien vibes to the role and also damn even in the bad episodes like good man goes to war he knows how to say things that give me genuine chills but just plot wise not that great of an era
45:46 "It's not because It's fun, and god knows It's not because It's easy. It's not because it works because it hardly ever does, I DO WHAT I DO BECAUSE IT'S RIGHT! BECAUSE IT'S DECENT... and above all It's kind.. It's just that, It's kind."
Neither is bad both are good the only bad episode was the Crimson Horror and loving monsters as those are the only two episodes I will never watch again
Nah, it’s trash. So is Hell Bent though. Cant agree with the other guy about the Crimson Horror though either. Don’t get me wrong, it’s not going to set the world on fire - but it’s fine.
I liked Asylum. And Hell Bent. And Crimson Horror. None of those crack my top 10 worst episodes. Timeless Children is my #1 worst, followed by Orphan 55, Love and Monsters, Fugitive of the Judoon, Spyfall, Dinosaurs on a Spaceship, The Haunting of Villa Diodati, All of Flux, Death in Heaven, Power of the Doctor.... yeah I've passed 10. Point is Like and Dislike is largely subjective. If nobody liked an episode I think it maybe wouldn't get made/released.
Not sure I entirely agree with the part about playing the "game" and winning it. By all means hate and bigotry should absolutely be called out, and misinformation should be corrected, but don't engage with them on their level. They want you and the Vaushes of the world to engage and be the woke "leftist" bogeyman to validate and feed into the tribal culture war narrative, but that is counterproductive in my view. The way to combat it is to drown them out with good faith, intelligent conversation.
Ive seen a fair amount of Vaush, he's more of a bogeyman on the left than he is to the right. He does reactions to stuff, so does the entirety of the online right and the majority of the online left, and online centrists. It's just what people do online. I feel ike Mr Tardis though is a lot more good faith than anyone he is responding to, I'd argue he is also much more good faith than Vaush
@@lloroshastar6347 oh definitely Mr Tardis is far more good faith than any of the people he reacts to but he has a tendency sometimes to get bogged down in the culture war. For the record I don't label myself as part of "the left" but I don't consider myself a centralist either, I just don't like the concept of the political spectrum and the tribalism which comes with it, it doesn't promote good faith or constructive conversation
@@MidnightChimey okay fair enough, seems you're not looking for a fight or trying to troll or anything. I too hope Mr Tardis doesn't go too far down this route, I essentially stopped watching Jessie Gender because her channel ceased to be a Star Trek channel and turned into more of a culture war commentary channel, which is fine but it was the Star Trek stuff I liked about it.
@@lloroshastar6347 Huh I actually find Jessie Gender to be pretty insightful with the way she approaches topics generally, but then I'm less of a Star Trek fan so her other videos probably appeal to me more
While your video has been interesting, I do not think that objections are necessarily “They don’t want black people on screen.” Or “They just hate black people.” That is a small minority though very vocal. It’s really the woke attitude that isn’t liked. (I am aware Who is social commentary.) I do think it’s unfair to characterise Will of the Fans as saying “Too many blacks.” That being said, It was good to hear what Steven Moffat actually said and your comments on it. As you say, the observation isn’t the issue in and of itself, it’s what’s done with it. PS. My apologies for the constant edits if you happen to read in email.
@@joe23694 Well, in that case I don't think I have anything to worry about. I was simply explaining something but apparently, TH-cam thought that that was "controversial" 🙄
I listened to the first half of this on my other computer I user for work, which is logged in as "R.senal'sArsenal" and made 2 comments. I come back to watch the rest now that work is over on this, my main account, and I can only see one of them. The other did call out conservatives for saying the quiet part out loud and being "RACIng enthusiaSTS" with a word I'm Shocked is somehow being censored, especially when it's true, so there is that. Really disheartening to know that an algorithm has been trained to think that word is somehow something that shouldn't be said. Really disturbing. I hope I'm wrong, but fear I'm right.
I'll say it every series has plot armor because if they didn't every protagonist would be dead regeneration itself is literally plot armor like the first doctor was dying and the writers just last second introduced a secret magical power to make him not really die that is the definition of plot armor and other point plot armor isn't bad either the alternative is the main character just abruptly dying in a random episode which it would suck if that's what tv shows were like
0:21 he literally does that. First he was praising rtd then the next video he was slandering and talking trash about him Will was never a fan of Dr who at all, the dude kept getting so much info wrong about the show. Him listing off the episodes Steven wrote is cause it was easy for him to read, he literally just looked at the most popular episodes only then over hype Moffat to sound like a fan but u can tell that he never seen the episodes at all nor the show. Also the fact he kept saying he doesn't know the issues with his works is literally him admitting he doesn't know what he is talking about about cause he never saw the show. He cries about 10 things that ruined dr who, the characters, the lore and the hsitry and all he did is shown that he had no clue about wtf he is talking about. His first thing on his list was him crying about how making the doctor black ruins the show and the lore of the character Then cried about how the master and the doctor being women is bad too
It's possible that he did watch the show. There's a type of person who can listen to a woman, an lgbtq person, or a non-white person, but somehow they just can't hear the words they're saying. After listening for a while, they'll say things that show that they have zero comprehension - they're just upset about things the speaker is wearing, or the sound of their voice, their body shape, hair, nose, or teeth, their name, or the fact that they're talking. They'll get mad at women for being pregnant in public, or not being pretty. I've met too many people like this. Sooooo creepy! They make the world a worse place.
I would like to see RTD and his team back their talent more. It’s just not good enough for the showrunner. The production team should be standing up for those bearing the brunt of the online hate. They employed them. They are making the show! Where are they??? It’s wrong that any person working on Doctor Who should feel threatened just for accepting a job. There isn’t any excuse for just sitting back and saying nothing.
The BBC is not communist. The Doctor might be. At the very least, the character is a progressive type, very left leaning, a lot of socialist values. Chibnall wasn't the first to write the character like that, nor was Moffat or RTD. It goes back to the very first episodes from 1963.
@@markpostgate2551 so u got no example to back up your bad take of a comment🤦♂️. It isn't about siding with big corporations. Also it literally doesn't matter if the Corp is big or small itnis capitalism and the only economic system that does work. If someone takes advantage of ppl, that isnt the system fault. That is the individual. If someone hacks a game u can't sit there and blame the game for someone cheating. Yes there is nothing wrong with the system The villain was a worker that wanted to kill customers to make the company look bad cause he is mad that they are saving money with robots. Yeah no that is his fault. Not the system. The system did nothing to him nor made him did this at all nor should take it on to the customers. Heck his idea was just stupid to begin with. Showing how anyone crying about capitalism are literally not the smartest ppl. Heck this is like a bigot crying about immigrants are taking job type of example. Meanjng he is the bad guy. Not the system. Stupid u didn't just said that the workers were fighting agaisnt the system? No they literally weren't at all. Like she said it is the individuals. Not the system. Meanjng u go to the higher ups, not blame the whole system Once again u blame the cheating hacker, not the game. He was trying to murder customers, no where that is him fighting the system nor being the good guy. That is why he was in the wrong. If he had an issue then do anything else. This isnt it. Heck all his pan is doing is causing more harm on him. Why tf yall are trying to side with the bad guy who was trying to harm the innocents and straight up isn't even helping himself either? Homoe please stop talking d read your comment cause there is no way u really thought what u just said made sense. Why tf she will try to use the ends doesn't justify the means speech when this sint even the time or topic of that. This was just an idiot being dumb. Now with Bonnie it is similar but more relatable for the doctor to make thatspeech, cause bonnie claomed to be fighting for her ppl when her ppl werent even going throught anything and were ok with their lives, toll she ruined it to the point of killing some of them, meaning she was already jn the wrong, and her trying to start a war for no reason, where she is activelykilling more of her own is more stupid. Like the doctor described her, every generation there is an entitled brat. Now with this, it is an idiot that just wants to harm ppl for no reason. That is it. Thinking he is doing the right thing when he isn't. So no it jsnt perfectly understandable at all where there is no reason for that. Yes it is a mistake, he was the issue for that company. The only issue with that company was the workers working non stop with no breaks. That was it. What he did was still dumb
I think you're taking his quote about 'telling a lie' out of context. He's not saying black people didn't exist in London back then. He's saying they didn't have rights, and it's historically inaccurate to depict them equal to white people at the time. If he were being historically accurate, they'd be depicted as mostly servants and underclass people, not extras in the same middle class dress as the white characters. If I recall correctly, as I haven't seen that episode since it first came out, the episode takes the liberal point of view that racism is the fault of a few bad actors and not a societal problem. It shows black people happily living their lives while the human villain is a racist dick to Bill. It is incorrect in the historical context, but it is more palatable for primetime television than a dark story about bad the lives of black Londoners were back then.
I think you misunderstand history and reality. The UK never had the same apartheid system the US had. You could be a member of any class and be black back then. Black society was less integrated and smaller in population, but it still existed and yes, there were rich black people, there were middle class black people, there were poor black people. However, I've yet to see any evidence that he meant what you were saying, and given his anger at Ncuti's casting, I think it's clear he just hates black people. Oh also, it is historically correct that there were racists in 1814, after all the slave trade had only been abolished in 1807, and slavery made illegal much later in 1833.
@@lloroshastar6347 I'm talking about Moffat's quote about telling a lie. He's a liberal who views racism as being about a few bad actors like that guy in Thin Ice.
Hi Mr Tardis! Been watching for a while, and I saw you on the organised chaos live stream. Seemed like good stuff. I got recommended more videos from organised chaos afterwards and I’m curious have you watched any of his channel?
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He makes a good point Doctor Who needs to get back to its traditional, definitely-non-feminist female characters from the 60s, 70s and 80s. You know, characters built around traditional feminine gender roles like maths genius, scientist, courageous reporter, or baseball bat wielding pyromaniac.
It's really telling how the most traditionally feminine companions were the most disliked by fans and only stayed for a season or less. (Polly, Dodo, etc.)
Cof Sarah Jane cof
Leela definitely not a feminist 😂😂
Get lost tosser
Susan: First serial and the second she sees her grandfather being attacked by a caveman twice her size, she is on that dudes back and while I can't confirm, it really looks to me as if she went straight for the Tyson.
Action girls from day one.
Companions that people didn't care about except for Graham. I will NOT stand for this Dan erasure.
I loved Dan he was the golden retriever boy companion!
“What’s the point of being alive if not to make people die”
To Will of the fans;
“Go on get off with yous”
From everyone
IM NOT BRADLY WALSH
For someone who claimed to hate communism, he sure likes being publicly owned...
Aha! Well played sir👏👏👏
“Because I refuse to call myself a BS term like ‘Whovian’.”
Beg pardon? What’s wrong with using ‘Whovian’?
It's probably woke in some way.
Everything is woke these days.@@Tillyard86
Personally I’ve always disliked cutesy fandom names.
@@NihlusKryik why?
@@NihlusKryik What do you think about "Doccy Who?"
I love how these kinds of people (Bowelstreak, Will of the Fans, Reaper...) call everyone else 'snowflakes,' when they all contributed to the Samaritan's phone lines crashing on Christmas Day, seconds after Ncuti was seen, dancing in his kilt.
I believe the kilt that Ncuti wore at Christmas has been identified as being made in Cameron hunting tartan.
As a person who is a proud half scotsman and who has proudly worn a kilt for numerous formal family events it annoys me no end to see so many of These reactionary grifters trying to claim that Kilts are somehow not manly.
Kilts have been worn by people of both sexes for centuries and served as the actual battle dress of Scottish warriors for a very long time.
It's bad enough that these idiots keep trying to fuel there bs culture war by pretending that Dr Who wasn't progressive until now but now they have to try and drag Kilts of all things into the argument.
Nothing more sexy and beautiful than a tartan clad Scottish girl! 😍
My name is also Will, I'm ginger, have a beard and a deep love for the Moffat era.
I feel like I've just watched the bad future bizarro dimension version of myself 😅
You're like the War Doctor getting shown his future self by the Moment
@@suursuits7637 GOD I HOPE NOT
Everytime someone asks how The Silence blew up the TARDIS it fuels Moffat's heat vision
They left the bath running obvs.
I like to think it was something to do with the TARDIS-like ships they had, such as the one from The Lodger.
It's not spelt out, but I always assumed the Silence having partial control over River Song during her conditioning may have led her to be sabotaging the TARDIS unknowingly as she was trying to avoid blowing it up. Or there was a silence in the control room that we couldn't see
@@TheDarkWhovian Definitely, personally it never bothered me not getting an explicit answer. I just distinctly remember people constantly bringing it up for all of Moff's tenure.
@@Faction.Paradox As do I, the forum rooms in those days were crazy right?! I still remember the Omega rumours for series 5. I still think it's a shame Moffat never got that fourth series with Matt to better tie everything in together, but still ToTD I felt gave us a satisfying conclusion to the mystery of who 'left the bath running'.
"The woke are erasing western traditionalism and culture"
*sees a kilt*
"RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"
Americans can only perceive American junk
Because people want to forget what history was really like and use it to fit there views these same people also don't like to talk about how almost every Roman Emperor was bi and wore what would nowadays be classified as dresses if these people actually went back in time they would be so angry
The out of nowhere bbc being communists broke me.
I wonder if he's referring to the licence fee.
Trust me this idiot makes dumb takes like that non stop
3:58 or so: trains: dogwhistle for trans. This guy is vile from the outset
Will is just a idiotic grifter who doesn't even watch the show
I really don't understand how people can call Chibnall era woke with straight face when it has the most right-wing moral in a decade on some stories (not dissing on actors but a woman lead doesn't do everything). And at the same time they morn the loss of the Moffat era with anticapitalist stories, antiwar stories, queer couples and characters. It's weird.
Do u have any exactly that her Era was right wing????
Also being antiwar isn't a political nor a right vs left or a conservative vs liberal.
Because new thing bad and the culture war is young I guess
I actually don't mind the Chibnall Era for the most part, but I'm genuinely intrigued here! Which parts struck you as right wing? To be clear, I'm not trying to argue with you at all, anything of that nature went straight over my head, and now you got me curious. 😂
@@bennettnez4711 Kerblam's "the systems aren't the problem, how people use the system is the problem" moral, where the villain of the piece is a disgruntled worker and the automated systems of the amazon stand-in are a victim stand out a ton in this respect, given the series right before it had Oxygen, a story where capitalist systems literally killed workers explicitly because it was cheaper than keeping them alive.
Notably, Kerblam takes place in a world where robots do the vast majority of the work and yet people still need money from jobs to pay for basic resources, and never does it come up that maybe people shouldn't need to work for a living if there's so little work that needs doing. It might not be extremely conservative, but Kerblam's take on capitalism and automation is very much the conservative "well the status quo isn't perfect but we can't fundamentally change this system, and the people who want to are dangerous radicals going too far" take.
@cfsfilms5091 Oh yeah, that totally makes sense. I just looked at the whole situation as obviously dystopian and strange and bad without needing it to be explained mid episode because it was self-evident. Then the choice to have the "villain" be a disgruntled worker was interesting to me because it wasn't black and white, so it added nuance to the story. I definitely was rooting for the workers, but then wanted the postal one to be stopped because it was costing lives. I agree that I wish the Doctor could have easily changed all of the current socio-economic trends of the universe at the time easily, but that would be hard to do without a Moffat power of love twist like the algorithm in Boom getting busted by dad love. I can only handle so much of that sort of thing anyways. I'm OK with The Doctor having limits, and stories ending on more of a grey note or with a high death count. It reminds me more of the classic series. I'll absolutely agree that on the surface it was weird though, they could have been blatantly preachy with a "good" message like most of the other episodes in the series.
I laughed out loud when he said Gayblack.
Its like Newspeak
Moffat may be a bit of an egotist as a writer, but you know he definitely loves and cares for the legacy of Doctor Who. So to see him stand up against a reactionary talking down on the show is such a chad move. Now we need RTD to verbally destroy Bowelstrek. I would love it if he would make an episode with ‘subtle’ commentary of online backlash and toxic fandoms, he would make a reactionary figure who looks and sounds exactly like Bowelstrek to really push audiences know how openly racist that Canadian Neo Nazi is.
Isn’t that Love & Monsters? obsessive fans/fandoms.
@@tokublwhovian
The long awaited Abzorbaloff sequel - this time, they’re online.
Moffat is not egoist, he is the best.
I honestly feel like at this point, DW should just start naming some of their villains the likes of Sarkon, or have an episode where the monsters are clownfish coming out of your TV and screen-turning you stupid. Or as you said, have an episode about online harassment, where the key villain is someone with a username like "a path of bowel movements."
@@TheMrOkamiden Cof Love & Monsters cof
"that's the assumption that I was FORCED to base my entire video on"
No. No you weren't. No one forced you to make that video. You honestly could have done anything else.
11:16 I don’t know about corsets but men by today’s standards looked much more feminine back in the 18th century. They wore coats with little skirts, straps and high heels. Just look at King Louis XIV of France and he looks super feminine! The term drag queen actually comes from Shakespeare from the fact that the actors would drag their dresses over the stage.
The earliest reference to "drag", in that sense, is the mid/late 19th century, more than 300 years after Shakespeare's death. It may well derive from the fact that the performers' flamboyant dresses would "drag" across the stage.
If we must have boob plate in medieval inspired fantasy media, can we please also have cod pieces?
@@markpostgate2551
"Give us that list! What's that? Oh, I've had enough of this! Mr Jones, come and serve this customer! Look what he's put on there!"
"Right, how many do you want? One or two?"
Opens a drawer labeled 'Pollock Pieces'.
With apologies to Gerald Wiley and The Two Ronnies.
I implore you to look up a fella named “Blackadder” if you want big honking codpieces. Also just a fantastic show all around.
There have been black and brown people in Britain for centuries. It is a recorded historical fact that the first Indian Restaurant in Britain was opened in London in 1808.
On the idea that how in your face 2005's Who was for 'sexual deviancy' is because of RTD - IIRC things Moffat has said online at various points, the meeting Moffat had with RTD about Captain Jack, his sexuality was basically an afterthought. "Oh, by the way, he'll shag anything, but it probably won't come up." which... I think Moffat has stated he took as a personal challenge. The concept was RTD, sure. But the actualization was a lot... More in your face... than it sounds like RTD was expecting in that meeting.
And the character and show is all the better for it.
Haven't any of these commentators outraged about Ncuti wearing a kilt seen any of the episodes with Jamie in?
Or like Scotland
Anti woke 'fans' have never seen a single episode of classic who, if they had they wouldn't say the show has turned woke.
These idiots never seen the show in their life. I called then out in it many times
@@sortascouseaceno. Not classic who. Just any Dr who in general.
One guy that look like a greasy discord mod literally tried to claim that ncuti sonic screwdriver jsnt a sonic screwdriver but trying to convince his viewers that it is a sex toy where he photo shop a butt plug over the screwdriver cause the dude was an open homophobe, looking for a way to make anything and the screwdriver an issue or woke, where he cried about how it had a proverb as if that is an issue to be mad about, then complained that ncuti used it as a flash light when literally Peter Capaldi did the same exact thing
@@sortascouseace England for the English good grief man that's the quote ain't it
All the controversy around the kilt, Jamie wore one for many of his stories and that was back in the 60's
Exactly my point. Ppl like will aren't even Dr who fans at all. Cause everytime they talk about the show they always get the info completely wrong and showing that they never seen the show.
He literally complained that the doctor is race swapped and bad, as well.complained that the master and the doctor were played by females is woke yet ignored the general being a black woman. Yet this dude claimed Steven was a God and makes good Sci fi yet only names popular fan fav episode that takes a Google search to find them yet doesn't even know a single thing that happened in those stories
Also in the 60s there was an episode called "The Dominators" where almost every man in the episode was casually wearing a dress that to me is really important and people don't talk about it much
Thinking that Moffat will save you from “sexual deviancy” is beyond stupid.
I’m glad I’m not the only one that doesn’t like “asylum of the daleks”, my personal worst episode is “curse of the black spot”, a boring episode that does little with the historical setting,but is made worse when you realise that the pirate who the doctor becomes “close friends” with is meant to be Henry Avery, one of the most notorious and evil criminals in history 😡 WTF were they thinking!!!
Great to hear about how you rescue people from that hate filled spaces.
Exactly. What's also great is how he doesn't even need to show us the private messages he received (I mean, it really isn't any of our business what people privately send to Mr TARDIS after all). If you just look in his comments sections, you do see several public comments from former Nerdrotic fans, thanking him for de-radicalizing them. So yeah, the proof is very much in the pudding.
Steven Mochad joins Russell Chadavies and Chris Chadnall as the ultimate new who Dads
We're not inviting Chibnall.
@@PlatinumAltariahe doesn't need inviting. Facts over feelings.
@@jakeoliver9167The fact is Chibnall is responsible for three of the worst Doctor Who seasons since the 80’s with Colin Baker, and the devaluing of a great actress playing the Doctor by giving her subpar stories and inconsistent writing, as well as a weak chemistry with her companions.
Based on these facts, Chibnall should not be invited.
@L1z43vr Regardless of what you think about Chibber's run on Doctor Who, this may be a case of separating the artist from the art, and Chris seems like a nice enough bloke IRL. Bowlestrek, Nerdrotic, and HeelVsBabyface are the ones who are not welcome.
@@L1z43vr I really hope 13 gets some good audio stories because it is criminal how wasted Jodie was.
"Why did you say something so stupid, Steven" is a very common reaction to his interviews. I love him deeply and sometimes he buries himself the biggest hole possible.
thank you steven moffat
The Critical Drinker's real name is Will as well.
That will of the fans guy is mind boggling. “His” ideas are so two dimensional. Well done on showing us how peculiarly daft these cretinous bigots are. Love your channel and DW.
Jaimie often wore a kilt, I don't hear conservatives getting triggered over that, which you'd think they would because Jaimie and the 2nd Doctor canonically FUCK! And that's not in dispute!
Woah what!? I wasn't aware of this Jamie and 2nd Doctor intimacy. When does this happen?
@@mahfuzurchowdhury2765 never.
this guy's amount of denial is honestly laughable, i bet moffat could literally say something explicitly progressive and he'd still go into denial and say "oh that's not what he REALLY meant"
Look at the many comments I made in his videos. It is ridiculous
Capaldi is the most woke doctor I won't even take any other suggestions it is Capaldi let's list of some proof punching a racist literally making fun of trump not even just implying it literally saying his name in an insult when Missy first shows up he immediately switches to she her pronouns not even just for her currently when he's talking about her as a child he still used she her pronouns and honestly the list goes on Capaldi really is how I think an alien would be if they ever come to earth it just makes sense to me he comes from an advanced civilization why would he care about our petty human grudges against people for being different
River Song had wives! Was this guy napping?
These people have mad beef with Kilts. Kilts are masculine what even are they talking about they just see a skirt
7:35 it’s Achilles and Patroclus. I did my dissertation on it for my undergrad.
Edit DW have a story set in Troy, I have an original 1970s novel of it. One of the companions stays there and married prince Trollius (though originally Trollius the youngest of Priam’s sons was obsessed and in love with Achilles, so much so he goes out and tries to fight him one on one and dies)
Stiletto heals were originally found on men's shoes during the reign of Louis XIV of France. Nearly 300 years ago.
I would say RTD wrote some real crap in his original run. Having the Doctor resurrected from being Gollum in a birdcage by communal thought was pretty bad. I prefer Steven Moffat for all his faults he gave us a more serious darker tone and an actor over 45 in the role. I don’t know why these TH-camrs keep saying the BBC is communist by having minorities in Who because the communists discriminated against people who were different. I can understand why people would be critical of a black Isaac Newton. I wouldn’t want Rosa Parks played by a white actress. RTD does seem to like gaslighting people but he’s giving ammunition to the bigots out there by doing this. Same with making an issue out of Transgendered people when they should just be there acting out a role without needing to signpost their differences. Show the struggles rather than make statements. I wouldn’t want people making a big deal out of my being bisexual as I just want to be treated like everyone else. Moffat gave us a transgender character in a Capaldi episode but no fuss was made at all. I wonder if this commentator was against that casting? Have a transgendered companion but let them show character and give us decent stories and it’ll be fine. Making a big deal about someone being different just misses the whole point of acceptance and equality. I do agree with a lot of what you say Mr Tardis but I do feel that RTD could do things better. Well said Steven Moffat! Best show runner of modern Who.
Name the transgender in Capaldi Era then?
Also how on earth that made rose noble only her identity when it wasn't really about her
@@kuggacouragegx6093 If you don’t know who the transgender actor was then Moffat did a great job. It shouldn’t be an issue. Only bigots make an issue out of someone’s differences. The Rose Noble character did make a point of saying the Doctor wouldn’t understand because he’s a man! Well what about transgendered men? Wasn’t the Doctor previously female? Of course he’d understand. It’s as if RTD had to take a swipe at men regardless of the male character in question. Same with Gatwa he had to have the Bi-Generation and have him in his first appearance in his underwear. The writing is disappointing.
@@PaulRichards-vz4pl so yes u got no evidence to back up your point. Also true bigots are the ones making it an issue but u making it an issue of something that never even happened
@@PaulRichards-vz4pl she literally never said anything about him being a man. Also no one was taking a jab at men. Also u do know that they were teasing him🤦♂️
@@kuggacouragegx6093 It’s a pity you’re not a woman Donna said and Rose said it’s something a male functioning Time Lord wouldn’t understand! Joke or not it came across as condescending in tone and unnecessary. Modern Who often does this to the Doctor. Make him look stupid when he’s vastly superior to mere humans.
Orphan 55 is worse than any Moffat episode.
In retrospect, I’m not sure who thought Chibnall would excel as a showrunner when his best story prior to his era was The Power of Three. Granted, it’s a good episode, but it’s nothing too special.
@@markpostgate2551 I forgot about the Silurian two-parter, that definitely takes the cake as Chibnall’s best. I think Jamie Mathieson or Neil Gaiman would’ve been great showrunners.
I don't like orophan 55 but not for the normal reasons like I honestly really like the climate change speech and believe it's probably the best written part of the episode and also the BENNY sure is cringey but so is like 90% of doctor who so I don't really care about that what I don't like is the plot twist for no reason the episode should have just openly taken place on earth from the start or been on another planet and if i were writing it I would have gone the second route imagine if the climate change speech instead of saying "change the timeline by taking care of earth" was "take care of earth so it doesn't end up like orphan 55" seeing another planet destroyd by climate change and knowing that our planet is still saveable just we need to work harder to take care of it would be so much better than what we got also the doctor telling humans to literally change the time line to stop an event they literally lived through is a paradox and I feel like it's way out of character for the doctor to promote paradoxes
Orphan 55 doesn't suck as bad as people say. I can't say it's good, but I will say BENNI?!
BENNI????!??!!!!
BENNI!!!!!!?!????!!!!
@@idle_speculationIf my memory serves correct it is because no one else wanted the job (Oddly enough, this is a reoccurring theme throughout NuWho).
I wonder what he says about Moffat writing "its brilliant, i dont know if its Marxism in action or a west end musical" in his first episode 😂
Someone make a rank of Doctors from least to most socialist
6:52 The What? I'm a part of the LGBTQIA+ community and I Never picked up on anything between The Doctor and Nardol, much less anything "heavily coded." I need to rewatch now a series I've already watched a few times... I swear, you think you're paying attention and then someone says something matter of fact like that....
1. Just the lgbt
2. It is a joke
@@kuggacouragegx6093 2 first: So he's joking, there was no undertone coding. Fine.
1. ??? What do you mean? Yes you can shorten the list to the original 4, but it doesn't mean the rest of the letters are in some way wrong... ??? I'm very perplexed by you feeling the need to correct something that isn't wrong.
@@R.senals_Arsenal yes and it was obvious it was a joke tho🤦♂️
No that is literally the name, u don't need none of that extra things at all nor they mean anything, heck even ppl in the community acknowledged that it is annoying and messy for it changing alot.
Well they are wring cause there is no need for them in the name.
@@kuggacouragegx6093 Again, for the Ill-informed/misinformed = You CAN shorten it to LGBT for convenience, I'm not arguing with that, most don't, BUT including any combination of the remaining letters is also Accurate/Correct. No Correction needed. Saying the rest don't mean anything is just ignorant and borderline insulting. You can admit you don't know what they mean, but that doesn't mean they don't exist or are in any way invalid. And AGAIN I AM IN THE COMMUNITY. So your unsubstantiated rando anecdotal rebuttal is ridiculous to say to my face and I imagine it comes from your misunderstanding of the difference between convenience and comprehensive inclusion. You can have both. LGBT and LGBTQIA+ or even LGTQIA2S+, all of it is correct. None are mutually exclusive initialisms.
@@R.senals_Arsenal there is no ill nor misinformation
No it isn't being shorten. That is the correct term. It is that yall want to extend it for no reason when there is no need for it where the lgbt already is perfect kn its own and includes everyone already.
No that is false. Yall feel like u have to include the other letter in to look inclusive.
There is no remaining letter. It is just 4 though.
No it isn't accurate or correct, it is just wrong and literally just unnecessary where u got the ppl themselves being divided on it and some of them can't even keep up with the many changes nor even bother on saying the full thing or all of the letters knowing it sounds insane and unnecessary where lgbt is already good enough and goes to the point.
No it is true the rest don't even mean anything at all cause most of them aren't even real things at all, u just saying the same word with the same definition already.
Literally like the q word " cause I still think it is a slur and not appropriate"
But when u say the q community it literally just means gay and trans ppl, so why even bother to add q to lgbt when u just saying the same thing.
Lgbtq+ is just u saying lgbtlgbt+
Literally just unnecessary really.
Also no it isn't borderline insulting.
No it isn't that I don't know what it means it is that everyone doesn't know what it means, menaing ppl like u and the community themselves, so what is the point to begin with? Even forcing yourself to go along with it knowing unnecessary really?
Anecdotal?
Homie please don't start using buzzwords, u really don't want to try to start something🤦♂️.
No it isn't all correct it is just the 4. The others aren't necessary and u just proved my point it isn't at all and just over doing it
randy trains defender? sounds like what would happen if Thomas the tank engine started drinking alcohol xD
"It was time for Thomas to leave. He had seen everything."
Oh my god I've just realised he said trains because he was too much of a coward to say trans and be open about what he was hating on.
@@bookswithike3256 imagine being rude to both trans people, and trains. what a twat.
RTD get it? Randy Train Defender.....
Did this guy seriously call the 13th Doctor "feminist"? like he's clearly not seen her era as 13 is very much not very feminine/feminist which is the point, her gender does NOT define her, that was a conscious decision and one I actually was happy with, ultimately she's the Doctor regardless of her gender, it normalizes that the Doctor can be ANYONE and that is fantastic. Good on Moffat for debunking this guy and calling him out, and this guy seriously has the audicity to call himself "Will of the Fans"? He does NOT represent or speak for most Doctor Who fans AT ALL.
I was starting to think to be the only one to like the 13th Doctor lack of any stereotyped feminine characteristics, in favour of her own persona..!
It's a very gatekeepy channel name, isn't it?
Y'know, I'd genuinely never realised that the 13th Doctor wasn't particularly feminine, which I guess was the desired effect hahahaha
that's wild now that you've pointed it out, cause it feels like every other modern Doctor (besides DT2 and Ncuti) has had some easily identifiable uber-masculine moment that is actually kinda weird when you think about it.
Nine has the "You need a Doctor" moment where he literally saves Rose by kissing her (I know I'm oversimplifying that, but when you boil that scene down you're left with the obvious question - Why couldn't a hug do it?),
Ten has that big action set piece where he rides a horse through a glass space portal to save Madame de Pompadour (not to mention the various innuendos and flirts with Rose hahaha),
Eleven gets to ride a scooter up the side of the Shard (though tbf to Matt Smith he does play it in his usual 'hip alien uncle' way so it negates it quite a bit),
and Twelve literally has that scene where he enters a Viking battle arena playing electric guitar, wearing Ray-Bans, on the top of AN ACTUAL TANK 😂😂😂 like something out of a Syfy Channel Iron Man knock-off 😂😂😂
That's obviously not to say that women can't/don't kiss other women, ride horses, save the day, ride scooters, play guitar, wear Ray-Bans, or drive tanks, because they obviously can and obviously do. My main point is that when a male character does it on TV and a female character does it on TV, the vibes tend to be veeeeeeeery different 😂
I don't think you know what the word feminist means
Anyway most of the doctors don't really give feminine or masculine they give Eldritch space moron
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I have a very immediate suspicion of anyone that claims to speak “for the fans”, as if fans are a singular regressive monolith of 40 year old basement dwellers.
7:36 'the other soldier' is call Patroclus. Big Greek myth fan here!
I really want to see this man's reaction to Boom given how obviously wrong and stupid trying to claim Moffat as "one of us" and that he'd never willingly return to the series turned out to be. Does he have to suddenly pretend he's always hated Moffat's work? Does he pretend the woke zombies got him and none of that commentary lines up perfectly with everything he ever wrote? He obviously can't *like* the episode without the house of cards collapsing, which is awkward because Boom is pretty great and completely in-line with Moffat's best work, and I feel like anyone approaching it in good faith would have to concede that at least a little.
Pin this comment if Moffat is or isn't coming back
The third option is that Moffat never left in the first place, and Russell T Davies and Chris Chibnall are just androids Moffat built, so he could keep writing without any suspicion. Moffat in fact is older than anyone thinks, and he's actually been puppeteering the show since 1963.
Why does his writing quality fluctuate so wildly across 60 years of Who then?
@@idle_speculation It's all part of his plan to escape detection
@@idle_speculation it all part of his scheme to make the audience think different people are writing, but he can’t fool me
BECAUSE THATS WHAT HE WANTS YOU TO THINK!!!!11!!11111@@idle_speculation
Honestly who cares if it’s a Kilt. If Ncuti was wearing a skirt that would also be FINE.
On gender neutral accessories, I may be misremembering but I heard cigarettes were apparently created for women, hence the term “cigarETTE”, and men smoked cigars. Over time, smoking in general just became a more manly thing. Yes, James Bond is actually a weak girly man.
What makes the quote even better is that he name dropped both of the episodes he's written for the new season
Flamboyant Gayblack
love the smile at 57:29 as you work out banger you're about to say next
Nerdrotic should also be sent back to prison 😂
32:18 You should have played the clip of Tenant from the episode Blink saying “Are you gonna read out the whole thing?”
“Because I refuse to call myself a BS term like Whovian.” Sounds like an edgy teenager.
Also, I’m been a bit out of this discourse for a while (done wonders for my health) and it’s honestly a little nostalgic now to hear about some good old fashioned crazy people in this… I hesitate to say “fandom” because I don’t want to align myself with people like this. I guess “Who enthusiasts”
In the nicest possible way, best bit was when you spat out your coffee
"Moffat must be a robot!" lol
yeah moffat is a robot
also earth is flat and the moon landing is fake
If he was a robot he would be a cyborg zombie like the Brigadier or Amy and Rory
As far as I can see Ncutis kilt isn’t tied to any specific clan but there’s so few good pictures of it that it’s hard to tell
I think it's safe to say he does not speak for the broader fanbase.
How much do you wanna bet that this guy who love Steven Moffat's work SO MUCH hasn't seen any of Moffat's stuff post-Who?
Like if you're a flamboyant gayblack
Why does that sound like a character in Game of Thrones? 😂
"Your Grace, the White King and his Troll army are about to sack Riverrun, what should we do?"
"Send a raven to Ser Flamboyant of House Gayblack, tell him to gather his soldiers and ride north. Once that's done, dispatch riders to the keeps of Lord Exuberant Queerjew and Ser Vivacious Creolechair" 😂😂😂
his name is Steven W. Moffat for a reason
Will of the fans sounds like Shadiversity on helium.
He is
Shit, Moffat snuck "Boom" and "Joy to the World" into the quote at 26:07. He was fucking with us this whole time.
rewatching this and its so funny that its the interview where moffat was stealth dropping his episode titles
Counting the spin-off Doctors in "The Curse of Fatal Death" the 13th Doctor becomes FEMALE - in 1999 i.e. last millenium!
The old fashioned look on females in Doctor Who: skirts = straight / trousers = queer? The 2nd Doctor was only in black and white, else we would have had a better view on Jamie's kilt. Every Doctor re-uses old items like 11th with Amy's glasses or 15th the trousers of 13th😂
Rethrospective after 5 months: Moffat wrote Boom, which is anti-war and anti-capitalist. Not at all surprising for him.
I spent my formative years in Scotland. Seeing a man in a kilt dancing in a nightclub was not uncommon 😂 the outrage is hilarious. Also, for centuries aristocratic boys and girls were clothed in “gender neutral” clothing while they were young. They all wore dresses
I wonder how he's gonna spin his complete 180 on Moffat now that Moffat's back writing on the show
"Whether or not he would return which he definitely wouldn't" this particular comment didn't age very well.
Ncuti "Flamboyantgayblack" Gatwa
RTD should get Malorie Blackman & Vinay Patel to write a historical on Malik Ambar.
29:30 This guy is missing the key word "IF". Moffat said "If I say there is something wrong." not "I say there is something wrong." This is because this guy is projecting his opinions onto Steven Moffat.
10:30 that bad take aged like the finest wine.
I cannot believe i have only just found you. Love your work!
Did 15 go traditional while wearing his kilt? 🤔
Yes he's Scottish
I never noticed any queer coding with 12 and nardole, although they did bicker like an old married couple
But the Capaldi doctor bickered with everyone the only people I'll argue he fully respected are bill and river and even then I could still point out some moments where he teased both of them that's just kinda how he is also extra comment he respected all of his companions just some more then others also I think clara deserves a mention here because he did like clara just the deal with her is he was so early on in his character arc through like half the time when traveling with her he came off as a jerk sometimes
I never noticed it either. Could be projection on Mr. Tardis' part, and who could blame him? Have you seen Nardole? Yowzah.
its funny now looking back and hearing that quote. it features both titles of doctor who episodes he’s written for this season but guy in the video being reviewed is reading wayyyy too into it.
19:07 "His overarching arcs [lmao] would just keep us glued to our seats! We wanted to know like -- **especially with Season 6** "
brrruuuhhh out of **ALL** the Moffat seasons... Six did it for ya, eh? 🙄
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SEASON SIX 🤦♂
Shows u how much he never seen the show
Honestly when it comes to new who the matt Smith era might be my least favorite personality wise matt Smith is a great doctor who just bought so much energy and alien vibes to the role and also damn even in the bad episodes like good man goes to war he knows how to say things that give me genuine chills but just plot wise not that great of an era
His video aged well... He definitely wouldnt return.... Watches 73 yards 😂😂😂😂
45:46 "It's not because It's fun, and god knows It's not because It's easy. It's not because it works because it hardly ever does, I DO WHAT I DO BECAUSE IT'S RIGHT! BECAUSE IT'S DECENT... and above all It's kind.. It's just that, It's kind."
He was really giving redcoat energy with that kilt tirade. The bigotry is vintage mate.
Dount he even wrote his own script... hence "trains" not trans
You're so wrong. Asylum of the Daleks is great. Hell Bent is the bad episode. 😉
You're right about this numpty though!
Neither is bad both are good the only bad episode was the Crimson Horror and loving monsters as those are the only two episodes I will never watch again
Nah, it’s trash. So is Hell Bent though. Cant agree with the other guy about the Crimson Horror though either. Don’t get me wrong, it’s not going to set the world on fire - but it’s fine.
I liked Asylum. And Hell Bent. And Crimson Horror. None of those crack my top 10 worst episodes. Timeless Children is my #1 worst, followed by Orphan 55, Love and Monsters, Fugitive of the Judoon, Spyfall, Dinosaurs on a Spaceship, The Haunting of Villa Diodati, All of Flux, Death in Heaven, Power of the Doctor.... yeah I've passed 10. Point is Like and Dislike is largely subjective. If nobody liked an episode I think it maybe wouldn't get made/released.
@@plantainsame2049 I dont agree abour Crimson Horror. Coming from West Yorkshire, I found it huge fun. 😁
Nardole and 12?? I'm always here for any gay subtext but that's so far out of left field
the moff is probaly coming back, because i feel Mr tardis woul say if it were false
Boom!
@@bennettnez4711 yay i was right
Not sure I entirely agree with the part about playing the "game" and winning it. By all means hate and bigotry should absolutely be called out, and misinformation should be corrected, but don't engage with them on their level. They want you and the Vaushes of the world to engage and be the woke "leftist" bogeyman to validate and feed into the tribal culture war narrative, but that is counterproductive in my view. The way to combat it is to drown them out with good faith, intelligent conversation.
But he wasn't going to his level
Also please don't tell me u watch vaush
Ive seen a fair amount of Vaush, he's more of a bogeyman on the left than he is to the right. He does reactions to stuff, so does the entirety of the online right and the majority of the online left, and online centrists. It's just what people do online. I feel ike Mr Tardis though is a lot more good faith than anyone he is responding to, I'd argue he is also much more good faith than Vaush
@@lloroshastar6347 oh definitely Mr Tardis is far more good faith than any of the people he reacts to but he has a tendency sometimes to get bogged down in the culture war. For the record I don't label myself as part of "the left" but I don't consider myself a centralist either, I just don't like the concept of the political spectrum and the tribalism which comes with it, it doesn't promote good faith or constructive conversation
@@MidnightChimey okay fair enough, seems you're not looking for a fight or trying to troll or anything. I too hope Mr Tardis doesn't go too far down this route, I essentially stopped watching Jessie Gender because her channel ceased to be a Star Trek channel and turned into more of a culture war commentary channel, which is fine but it was the Star Trek stuff I liked about it.
@@lloroshastar6347 Huh I actually find Jessie Gender to be pretty insightful with the way she approaches topics generally, but then I'm less of a Star Trek fan so her other videos probably appeal to me more
This guy using toilet humour in his Twitter profile is amusing to me, since my own anti-woke parody character is full of scatological humour.
While your video has been interesting, I do not think that objections are necessarily “They don’t want black people on screen.” Or “They just hate black people.” That is a small minority though very vocal. It’s really the woke attitude that isn’t liked. (I am aware Who is social commentary.) I do think it’s unfair to characterise Will of the Fans as saying “Too many blacks.”
That being said, It was good to hear what Steven Moffat actually said and your comments on it.
As you say, the observation isn’t the issue in and of itself, it’s what’s done with it.
PS. My apologies for the constant edits if you happen to read in email.
Why do some of my comments appear immediately while others disappear?
It's TH-cam being TH-cam. Sometimes TH-cam automatically flags a comment for approval by the channel owner
@@joe23694 Well, in that case I don't think I have anything to worry about. I was simply explaining something but apparently, TH-cam thought that that was "controversial" 🙄
@@Lia-zw1ls7tz7o I don't think anyone really knows how they're flagged or for what reason. Like everything on TH-cam it's all done by an algorithm.
Same to me. I call ppl out and yt are hiding or trhing to silence me @@joe23694
I listened to the first half of this on my other computer I user for work, which is logged in as "R.senal'sArsenal" and made 2 comments. I come back to watch the rest now that work is over on this, my main account, and I can only see one of them. The other did call out conservatives for saying the quiet part out loud and being "RACIng enthusiaSTS" with a word I'm Shocked is somehow being censored, especially when it's true, so there is that. Really disheartening to know that an algorithm has been trained to think that word is somehow something that shouldn't be said. Really disturbing. I hope I'm wrong, but fear I'm right.
It’s strange all I need to prove my hot take Moffat is the worse era nowadays is scream “Oh my gud, plot armor!” at a scene of Storm Trooper aiming.
The worst era was 1962 because there was no show even during the Wilderness year the show still existed through the extended universe
I'll say it every series has plot armor because if they didn't every protagonist would be dead regeneration itself is literally plot armor like the first doctor was dying and the writers just last second introduced a secret magical power to make him not really die that is the definition of plot armor and other point plot armor isn't bad either the alternative is the main character just abruptly dying in a random episode which it would suck if that's what tv shows were like
@yaboi9183 I'd say that plot armor is a poor Complaint made by people that Don't comprehend fiction
Like Everything is due to the plot it's a story
The head bang from MrTardis alone makes this a 5 out of 5 star video for me 😂
I will not stand for this Dan erasure
I agree, and suddenly want Japanese food.
Nah, I can safely, 100%say Screen Rant is anti-AI when it comes to writing for the site at least. Covering AI art is sadly another issue.
"But you exist in society, how curious!" type defense from this guy
0:21 he literally does that. First he was praising rtd then the next video he was slandering and talking trash about him
Will was never a fan of Dr who at all, the dude kept getting so much info wrong about the show.
Him listing off the episodes Steven wrote is cause it was easy for him to read, he literally just looked at the most popular episodes only then over hype Moffat to sound like a fan but u can tell that he never seen the episodes at all nor the show.
Also the fact he kept saying he doesn't know the issues with his works is literally him admitting he doesn't know what he is talking about about cause he never saw the show.
He cries about 10 things that ruined dr who, the characters, the lore and the hsitry and all he did is shown that he had no clue about wtf he is talking about.
His first thing on his list was him crying about how making the doctor black ruins the show and the lore of the character
Then cried about how the master and the doctor being women is bad too
It's possible that he did watch the show. There's a type of person who can listen to a woman, an lgbtq person, or a non-white person, but somehow they just can't hear the words they're saying. After listening for a while, they'll say things that show that they have zero comprehension - they're just upset about things the speaker is wearing, or the sound of their voice, their body shape, hair, nose, or teeth, their name, or the fact that they're talking. They'll get mad at women for being pregnant in public, or not being pretty. I've met too many people like this. Sooooo creepy! They make the world a worse place.
New anacromyn: LGBTQIA/FGB
I would like to see RTD and his team back their talent more. It’s just not good enough for the showrunner. The production team should be standing up for those bearing the brunt of the online hate. They employed them. They are making the show! Where are they??? It’s wrong that any person working on Doctor Who should feel threatened just for accepting a job. There isn’t any excuse for just sitting back and saying nothing.
The BBC is not communist. The Doctor might be. At the very least, the character is a progressive type, very left leaning, a lot of socialist values. Chibnall wasn't the first to write the character like that, nor was Moffat or RTD. It goes back to the very first episodes from 1963.
Jodie’s doctor was a neoliberal at best
Homie the character isn't a communist nor left leaning
@@markpostgate2551dummy how tf it is a right wing episode??
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@@markpostgate2551 so u got no example to back up your bad take of a comment🤦♂️.
It isn't about siding with big corporations. Also it literally doesn't matter if the Corp is big or small itnis capitalism and the only economic system that does work. If someone takes advantage of ppl, that isnt the system fault. That is the individual.
If someone hacks a game u can't sit there and blame the game for someone cheating.
Yes there is nothing wrong with the system
The villain was a worker that wanted to kill customers to make the company look bad cause he is mad that they are saving money with robots.
Yeah no that is his fault. Not the system. The system did nothing to him nor made him did this at all nor should take it on to the customers. Heck his idea was just stupid to begin with. Showing how anyone crying about capitalism are literally not the smartest ppl.
Heck this is like a bigot crying about immigrants are taking job type of example. Meanjng he is the bad guy. Not the system.
Stupid u didn't just said that the workers were fighting agaisnt the system? No they literally weren't at all. Like she said it is the individuals. Not the system. Meanjng u go to the higher ups, not blame the whole system
Once again u blame the cheating hacker, not the game.
He was trying to murder customers, no where that is him fighting the system nor being the good guy.
That is why he was in the wrong.
If he had an issue then do anything else.
This isnt it.
Heck all his pan is doing is causing more harm on him.
Why tf yall are trying to side with the bad guy who was trying to harm the innocents and straight up isn't even helping himself either?
Homoe please stop talking d read your comment cause there is no way u really thought what u just said made sense.
Why tf she will try to use the ends doesn't justify the means speech when this sint even the time or topic of that. This was just an idiot being dumb.
Now with Bonnie it is similar but more relatable for the doctor to make thatspeech, cause bonnie claomed to be fighting for her ppl when her ppl werent even going throught anything and were ok with their lives, toll she ruined it to the point of killing some of them, meaning she was already jn the wrong, and her trying to start a war for no reason, where she is activelykilling more of her own is more stupid.
Like the doctor described her, every generation there is an entitled brat.
Now with this, it is an idiot that just wants to harm ppl for no reason. That is it.
Thinking he is doing the right thing when he isn't.
So no it jsnt perfectly understandable at all where there is no reason for that.
Yes it is a mistake, he was the issue for that company.
The only issue with that company was the workers working non stop with no breaks. That was it. What he did was still dumb
22:10 you really despise gareth Roberts don't as in REALLY Despise him
I think you're taking his quote about 'telling a lie' out of context. He's not saying black people didn't exist in London back then. He's saying they didn't have rights, and it's historically inaccurate to depict them equal to white people at the time. If he were being historically accurate, they'd be depicted as mostly servants and underclass people, not extras in the same middle class dress as the white characters.
If I recall correctly, as I haven't seen that episode since it first came out, the episode takes the liberal point of view that racism is the fault of a few bad actors and not a societal problem. It shows black people happily living their lives while the human villain is a racist dick to Bill. It is incorrect in the historical context, but it is more palatable for primetime television than a dark story about bad the lives of black Londoners were back then.
I think you misunderstand history and reality. The UK never had the same apartheid system the US had. You could be a member of any class and be black back then. Black society was less integrated and smaller in population, but it still existed and yes, there were rich black people, there were middle class black people, there were poor black people. However, I've yet to see any evidence that he meant what you were saying, and given his anger at Ncuti's casting, I think it's clear he just hates black people.
Oh also, it is historically correct that there were racists in 1814, after all the slave trade had only been abolished in 1807, and slavery made illegal much later in 1833.
@@lloroshastar6347 I'm talking about Moffat's quote about telling a lie. He's a liberal who views racism as being about a few bad actors like that guy in Thin Ice.
Ironically i found tou because you were name dropped by an angry pretent fan. They have their uses i suppose. 😂😂😂
Hi Mr Tardis! Been watching for a while, and I saw you on the organised chaos live stream. Seemed like good stuff. I got recommended more videos from organised chaos afterwards and I’m curious have you watched any of his channel?
13:22 This has aged like milk now, eh?